The Daily Zeitgeist - “Cops” Keep Us “Safe”, Guns = Poison 4.19.21

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

In episode 890, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Caitlin Gill to discuss the police defending the shooting of Adam Toledo, thinking of guns like lead poisoning, how Netflix created binge watching, using junk food to promote vaccinations, and more!FOOTNOTES: Caitlin Gill's Guarantee Shirts! Chicago Police Union head calls Adam Toledo shooting 'justified,' says 'officer's actions actually heroic' Chicago Police Dept. strips FOP president John Catanzara of pay, pushes forward with firing Honoring the fallen: 264 cops killed in line of duty in 2020 with COVID deaths top cause Police officer jailed for breaking Black man's knee in 'clear case of racial profiling' The Overlooked Role of Guns in the Police-Reform Debate Netflix Completely Changed The Way We Consume TV In 2013, And It Was An ‘Accident’ COVID-19 vaccine shortages to hit world’s poorest countries as COVAX halts deliveries Krispy Kreme faces backlash for free doughnut promotion for vaccinated people Sam Adams will buy you a beer for getting your COVID-19 vaccine Dispensary extends free weed promotion for Michiganders who get COVID-19 vaccine How Will China Vaccinate 560 Million People? Start With Free Ice Cream. As Others Rush to Vaccinate, Moscow Lures Takers With Ice Cream A slice and a shot: Tel Aviv pushes COVID-19 vaccine with free food Free food? Free weed? Cash? What would it take for you to get the COVID vaccine? Shots bar: Israelis offered drinks on the house with their vaccine The US media is touting Israel's Covid recovery. But occupied Palestinians are left out LISTEN: Gil Scott-Heron - Whitey On the Moon (Official Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Tell me, do you listen to the zeit in the morning or the night? Do you want to hear everything trending in a second-rate pod show? And you know I'm Jack and I'm a dad. With Miles Gray, a dude who's read the coal gas study years ago. Now, I can't leave it alone with iHeart you can drive around the town don't have to

turn the volume down the dew is gone but Baja might be found to quench my thirst hey T-D-Z yeah that is courtesy of the brew oh my that was painful for me, for y'all, but I got through it.

And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Funny ass shows, funny ass shows. What? Funny ass shows, funny ass shows. Oh! Funny ass shows, funny ass shows. Come on! Funny ass shows. What? Funny ass shows. Funny ass shows. Oh. Funny ass shows. Funny ass shows.

Come on. Funny ass shows. What? What? Okay. That is obviously Money Cash Holes, but Funny Ass Shows. And that was me doing the DMX ad-libs. Thank you to Christy Yamaguchi-Main at Waffle House for that one.

That was the first I think I had heard of DMX. It was money cash. Just that energy? Yeah. Come on! Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. All right, T-Ball Coach.

Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented, Caitlin Gill! What? What? Okay, Caitlin Gill, the roller skating granny that you'd like to woo! You don't wanna be fucked. I mean, you wanna fuck, you wanna get in it,

you wanna be all about it, you wanna grind down on them worn hips. They can take it, trust the lead in. She stays limber, she stays strong, she's Katelyn. Roller skating granny. Although in the. She's Caitlin. Roller skate. Yeah. Although in the image I presented, she is skateboarding. Any Zeitgeist fans who want to take a real close-up look at Caitlin Gale, she's hitting her skateboard on my website.

Yeah, we'll post that. Stick around for the plugs. You don't get to hear them now. Yeah. This is the first time that a guest has come with their AKA emblazoned on their background. Yeah, this is next-level production. Yeah, this is next level production. Yeah, this is a beautiful thing

all around. Custom art Skateling Gilf. The artwork is tremendous. You gotta rise to the zeitgeist. You can't lay low. I gotta come to the level. I appreciate that. What's new? What's new, Skateling? Skateling's living a brand

new life right new year new me things have changed they're they're bad they ain't good uh if you want to cue into my life check out nomadland oscar nominated film that does not depict my life in an rv but i have one now so me and francis mcdormand uh actually not much bigger honestly than the one poor friend had in that particular film but yeah i'm chilling with family um the sweet lady and i bought a car that's a house that moves and now we're bouncing between our fams for now i think we got some cool plants cooking but in the meantime i started coming to mix t-shirts and spread i love it i love

it and someday i'll tell jokes again somewhere but But until then, I bought myself a job. There you go. What part of the country are you guys bouncing between? Wouldn't you like to know? Yeah. Oh, God. Here you go, who's going into my business? I'm in Napa, California.

Okay. I'm in my parents' garage in Napa, California. Hey. Oh, love it up there. Love it up there. Oh, love Napa. I got a green screen because the reality of this can't be. I can't.

I'm in a garage. I'm in a garage. I'm in my parents' garage. I'm 40 and in my parents' garage. I'm 40 and I'm in my parents' garage. You got it. And I'm doing a podcast, mom. And you dig and you get all the, I'm recording.

I put the sign on the door, guys. Yeah. I don't want more granola. Thanks for asking. Fuck. I don't want more granola. Thanks for asking. I don't want more granola. Fine. All right, Caitlin, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

First, we're going to tell our listeners what we're talking about. We're obviously going to be talking about Chicago police, why they can go fuck themselves. One guy in particular, but just all around i want to talk about guns being like lead poisoning uh just like a generational problem that is accumulated over time uh that we just need to fucking get rid of somehow uh we will check in with florida because that's always good to raise the spirits. We will talk about Joe Biden and Netflix, all of that. Plenty more. But first, Caitlin, we like to ask our guests, what's something from Google search history reveal me as the gay, white, fearful person that I am.

And it's the two halves, gay, white, and fearful. They search different things. So the last two were opening scene from Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Because I needed to see Sweet Lady Taylor say, what a dump. And then, oh, gardening in the desert was the other one uh how to grow food in an arid climate was the other search so really preparing for my history of screaming witting things into the night as i garden right oh wow what a combo what's the are you for me i'm a novice in terms of like i like to garden and stuff but i've always done it like

in traditional soil beds and things like that. Were you going into like, what do you have to do to make shit work in the desert? Essentially was like, what's it take? Pretty much. Yes. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

And what's it take? What's the key? What are we missing? You got to get water and you got to use the water if you don't got the soil and you need a good hydroponic system. So you got to get really good at catching and collecting your own water or just accept that you live where humans shouldn't and use the water that is provided to you you buy our no no look how it's working out for la yeah yeah cool we just had to steal people's water from up north to make it work yeah no i went to humboldt state and i'm from napa i know i came down to la to get my water back here's's my money. This is for Hatch Hatchy.

I'm here for my water. So that's what I've been doing. If you want to know a little bit more about me. Screeching couples and food preparation. That's been my bag lately. Right. I love it. Yeah, that's also going to come in handy, I think, for the entire world.

The gardening in the desert. Oh, yeah. the entire world the gardening in the in the desert oh yeah like i read uh this was the an interesting year to be like gee people are talking about this parable of the sower i should read that right so yeah my phone looks like a character from parable of the sower found an iphone and then quickly used it to get information they were going to need how how soon do you think until we're all eating bugs five years yeah like and do you think before 2030 bug bug eating will be normal before pre-2030 oh absolutely i mean i think commercially bugs will be eating them before 2030 yeah right right out of necessity in my own life oh i picture

five years but uh did you mean commercially available yeah yeah i mean commercially available like it becomes like there's the taco bell fried cricket special they'll do that they'll do it directly but it's also gonna be just like meat is gonna mean new things and they're gonna get like don't worry about it it's good savory tasty but right i feel like first there will be like the crunchy, crispy, snacky version. And then which there already is. And it's pretty tasty. Yeah. And then they will get around to being like all of our what we use for powder is essentially ground up insects.

Come to 2050 and like grub farms are destroying the last patch of the Amazon. You know, we can't be trusted with things. What happened? Yeah. What is something you think is overrated? Okay, personal, due to my recent experience, you can tell I've been cleaning fucking Swiffers. Can get out.

They can go. I'm good with a broom and a mop. Why did I get duped in? This is like listening to some tech bro being like, I've reinvented it. It's a big car that stops at certain points in the city and picks people up in mass and then takes them to other destinations that's a bus like i've reinvented it it's a bookstore where you don't have to buy the book you can take it for a minute and then bring it back that's a library like i

just didn't realize that i had been conned and i fought with a swipper and nothing got clean until um the good old mop and broom came back. So if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think there's just something about like because the commercial was like, whoa, this fiber will kind of attract some dust, but it's like oh, because prior to

Swippers... They made a product backwards from a commercial. It was not a need. They made a commercial and they saw the product at a name yeah that's how movies are made these days hey i you know i gotta remember that when i'm back out of the parents garage my mom is in full immigrant mode with swiffer stuff where she got bit by the swiffer bug at first oh yeah and now she just uses the Swiffer stick but has a towel that she wrings out and uses

on the Swiffer infrastructure to keep the thing on the stick. And I was like, why don't you just buy the thing? She's like, no. Yeah, exactly. Right. And I think it replaced the old school ones that used to be like the sponge that you could pull the lever back and it would

self-squeeze itself out. Where now she's just she's just like nah whatever i'm incorporating old towels and the swiffer stick to mop again and i'm like yeah there's that mops are just how's he push with sticks like i'm not trying to go back that far i'll take the intermediate step but the swiffer forces you to go even further back in mop technology right yeah with the added bonus that the paper can tear or fall off and uh isn't i remember also like it also caused unnecessary arguments with roommates in the order in which you used things where it's like you got a swiffer then vacuum like i don't give a fuck what they told you over at SC Johnson and Wax. It's all a fucking game, man.

This place looks like shit. It doesn't matter if we clean up the shit in whatever order. We just need to clean this fucking place. Yeah, the order is not the important part. Cleaner is the important part. If you want a nitpick later, you can. Right. But yeah, in my opinion, Swiffers are...

I'm going back. What about Swiffer Duster? Swiffer Duster? There's no... That's a duster. You are describing it as a duster. Swiffer Duster. But it's a Swiffer Duster.

Swiffer Toothbrush. Isn't it so? The Swiffer Toothbrush is next. Okay, I'm open to that. I'm going to say I'm open to that. Yeah. I do feel like mops, we haven't totally... Swiffer is not a better version of the mop,

but mops tend to be pretty gross. If you don't take... They do. Right. If you got to take care of them. Right? The Swiffer tried to solve the problem of taking care of your mop

by letting you throw away a mop head every time and then run out of mop heads and hot glue a paper towel to your swiffer right you're like no it has to be that there's no other way to clean this floor except for with this paper towel that i have to replace every second gun that sprays windex on the floor as i push a paper towel how else could i possibly accomplish this same task didn't mean to come to swiffer Swiffer, but I'm here now. Oh, whiff fucking Swiffer.

No, I mean, I get it. It needs to be said. Thank you. What is something, Caitlin, you think is underrated? Okay, this is another hot one, controversial. Nobody's going to agree with me.

It's doing dishes. We're all mad at it. It's the most zen chore. It goes by fast. Your hands are all nice and warm and then you lotion them up and they feel all soft and good it is one of the most needs to be done and then it is done tasks it is satisfying almost every time i have grown to not hate the dishes i am an old lady and i accept it i think if you hate your dishes, revise your perspective.

It's not that you will do worse chores all day. Look, if you hate your dishes, you're probably a Swiffer person and you buy paper plates because you don't want to do dishes. There you go. Live that life. Just embrace it. But yeah, I might go and give it in. But don't. It's also mad wistful.

Yeah, don't. Don't do that. Or just know who you are. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? We're all fucked. We're already. We're in too deep now we're all fucked i have been a cereal dish hater right i'm uh i'm letting it soak it's soaking no you mean longer than you need to watch the rest of the dishes there is no soaking no exactly and you tell yourself. Once I crossed over and said, fuck, just fucking do it.

You're a fucking adult. Just fucking do it. Just do it. The sense of relief that comes, like when I start going, yeah, I'm going to fuck these dishes up right now. Afterwards, I feel so good because you've now eliminated that stupid thing in the back of your mind where you're deceiving yourself intellectually by saying you're letting them soak when really you're lazy. And now I'm like, all right, well, I i did that shit so watch me smoke a fucking fatty yeah because i know i can i watch you do that after oh no i'm always doing dishes i do to reward myself reward myself no i reward i eat my dessert first you do your dishes extremely i should preface this by saying i do everything very high so i guess doing dishes has a different

float and also also the dishes are filthy. So all parents are totally excluded from this underrated. I am doing my own and my sweet lady's dishes and the family. I help the parents with their dishes. That feels very satisfying. But no parents, you're all excluded from this.

But I mean, you're welcome, but you're not under any obligation to feel like dishes are cool. But yeah, I slept on them as a chore and now i have embraced them as one i don't hate and i'll say my fun underrated very quickly is old people liking pop music i like pop music more than i ever did as a kid it hits harder i like it more when you see those 40 year old old ladies in sweatpants overalls with light mustaches on the dance floor when we can finally hit it with you just grind with us kids watch everybody that's not everybody if some of us look like we are purely feeling it we are and maybe for the first time so yeah we know the word of montero too oh wow look at you wait so what kind of pop music has has gotten under your in

your ear it's gonna happen and i was thinking specifically of little nozzacks right now um and i'm not going to even attempt to name the rest of the charts because what happens to me is i just hear it ambiently now and don't sure and then a month later i realized i've been listening to harry styles in the grocery store just like feeling it right and i just didn't know and it'll be like older stuff too that i just missed. So like something will come on and everyone else in the world knows that's One Direction. And I'm like, well, this is adorable. And I just didn't know. I had no clue.

So not that I'm good at it. I don't buy the teen bops, but I might. You like the pop charts. You called this Ace of Base? This is interesting. I agree though. It's better now than the Ace of Bass era, I would say.

Yeah, music's getting better. I think it is, but there's something about pop and the shared experience of it that I'm more open to as an old person who is not afraid to just like stuff. There's no social currency that comes with it now, so I'm just like, oh, this is fun. And if other olds I turned 40 during the core hi

everybody else in 81 what's up uh hey there he is me too it's for you too i promise there was there's a study out that found that a third of people have found that doing the laundry has become the highlight of their week i think it has more to do with well i think first of all people like repetitive like zen like you know chores like that and then there's also the thing we we talk a lot about you know i went to a hospital to get something cut off my leg a month ago and like that was the highlight of my week just because i got to leave the house and like interact with like the parking garage attendant right and uh the nurse who like had a playlist going and we got to talk about that and like i think yeah i think that's where people are at they're just like oh yeah fucking laundromat is so great everyone's got big old folks home energy you know like just like but also like blowing it when you finally get that

coveted social interaction oh someone puts a receipt in my hand and i'm like touching their fingertips and i'm like i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i gotta i'm gonna go i'm gonna go Yeah the starvation The bacchanalia to come I mean I know it's trite to observe at this point But we're all gonna just be Where do you think we're gonna be at? Like how the leftovers

Looked you know how like did you ever see the leftovers And they sort of hinted at what The vanishing of people did To society where it's like people were just These nihilistic parties and shit like what do you think are what our next step is yes so i think it's gonna be like the world is in their freshman year of college where if for people who already did shit in high school younger than they should have like they didn't have a leash on so so there wasn't any strain. There's no like burst to their release.

Right. But if you were a more restrained person or you had to restrain yourself in this year, then yes, a leash just got taken off of a bunch of wild freshmen. And I think some decision making criteria will change, be revised from last year with what you might do. I think some of that's gonna be fun and awesome and a lot of it is gonna be sloppy and you know give a little grace yeah yeah get yourself slick have fun but you know people right yeah do so much fucking laundry next year oh man it's

gonna be sick but yeah we have 45 mass shootings in the country isn't open yet it's been a month so yeah right like it's gonna be not great there's highlighting of parties but like there's it's not gonna be i'm gonna be unfortunately yeah where i go there's a lot of different leashes that are going to come off oh it's not unfortunately like we hope it's everyone's the same on the same good vibes leash that i'm on and i'm like hey man when i'm out there it's vibe city y'all it's love all day and then you have other people who have a completely different agenda and yeah we're already you know we're constantly seeing it just with what happened in indianapolis yes it's extremes if that's everything's just gonna be at a 10 yeah the anger the joy the rage the fun the the silliness the laundry but i'm totally confident that my old stand-up hour is gonna land totally without revision so it's okay i don't have

to throw away the entire life i built before this no worries were you like building up to an hour and then it like went into lockdown i released an album right before lockdown. Oh, that's good. In like August 2019. So that was lucky, I suppose. But in so many ways. But yeah, man, as I look at my set lists and stuff, thinking about when, you know, after I get vaccinated, which I'm not yet, is it safer to reopen? It's just,

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And at the end of last week, for you guys, when we are recording this, the thing that everybody on cable news was talking about was the video the body cam footage of adam toledo being uh murdered by a police officer for doing the exact thing that the police officer had asked him to do and there's just this footage of the head of the police union it's never it's never good footage of the head of the police union oh yeah after anything dude unless he's saying like hey i'm resigning and we're dissolving the police union i don't there's nothing they could say that's good but just claiming like yeah he did exactly what he should have done like that was nailed it i've never yelled more at my computer than this morning i mean i've only been able to stomach watching like a sequence of still

images like that i'm looking for because i cannot bring myself to watch another innocent person just be killed like that and what the body cam footage that came out at the end of last week was clear he had no gun in his hand there's no hint of a gun when he's raising his hands and then it's shot and then then there's like a new clip came out the chicago pd was like we've got actually more footage where it shows that yeah maybe he tossed a gun or something like that but the fact remains that when he was told to stop and show his hands he was unarmed and complying and still was killed and then you have this fucking guy uh whatever his name is something cat and Catanzaro, who's the head of the union, just saying the most vile shit out loud as if it's like a normal response to being on a news show where a 13 year old child has been needlessly killed by the police.

But he goes to bat for systemic oppression in this clip. No matter who the man is, it should matter that the decision in the moment was justifiable. I'm sure you'd agree with that. I started my dissertation with saying it is 100 percent justified that officers actions were actually heroic. There's a very good reason why he only shot once. Like I said, he could have been shot multiple times, but the officer assessed in a split second. Unfortunately, he committed to the first shot already. Justifiably so.

He said he called that shit heroic. The fact that killing an unarmed child can even be described as heroic should be a fucking attack ad that they play to people who still don't fucking get it like this is their mindset that they just said out loud to even that the concept of heroism could even be tied to murdering an unarmed child is so fucking offensive and backwards and to hear this guy say it like oh yeah it's totally good so he had eight tenths of a second i mean what was he supposed to do let the kid go let the kid run away right yeah maybe like what what's with this obsession of being like hey what did i fucking say because that's Let the kid go. Let the kid run away. Right. Yeah, maybe. What's with this obsession of being like, hey, what did I fucking say? Because that's the whole power dynamic of a police officer is I get to say a thing and you have to fucking listen because I'm a cop. And if you don't, then you're going to activate this whole other part of my psyche, which is now to fucking recapture my power over you by any means necessary up and including killing you. Yeah. This guy, by the way, filed a false police report against the police superintendent for participating in a nonviolence march. So his position as the head

of the police union is that the police are too nonviolent, too sympathetic to nonviolence. And it's just infuriating that they like the fact that this person is still in a position of authority. were 48 officers who were shot last year um who were shot and killed last year there they shot and killed a little under a thousand people the like those numbers just on their on their face they want us to view them as heroic and they're much more likely to go out and murder someone than be murdered like it i don't know it's just like at a very base level i i i feel like we need to have a reckoning and a reconfiguration of just like how we think about the this whole thing the police whether they're armed just in general i don't i don't think we can continue to just view this as the status quo. It's just so fucking infuriating. It's this obsession with a fear of citizenry when, by all measure,

property and violent crime is committed at a greater rate by the state or by commercial institutions. Looking at theft between civil asset forfeiture and wage theft, like the odds that you're, you're being stolen from by the state or another organized entity is so much greater than an individual threatening you. We've built a society where we believe that individuals pose threats to us all the time that we need to protect

ourselves from somehow by arming ourselves are i guess when we're asleep and the cops have fucking robot dogs like there's nothing you know that the violence we're afraid of is perpetuated all around us by institutions that we trust because of TV shows. And it is wild. People still think cops are law and order or it like that the hospital is ER and it's not. It is. That's not what's happening. Right.

But it is. It's terrifying. And I am not at a high risk profile as an individual like you know this is a terrifying place to be and i can't imagine the terror in a 13 year old like yeah i don't know yeah it's just wild i mean like how both like police and people of color walk around kind of with the same fear not that the police is justified but people of color i do have to walk around in fear for their lives constantly so we're going back to like antebellum bullshit fear that like this is white control and this idea that like what white people are losing when they lose control over

people who aren't white is like the undercurrent like that's what police were and this is exactly yes have been continuously you know the tree is the same as the root it came from yeah and they perceive this threat of like you know the existence of people who aren't white as being equal to a physical threat to them like yeah it's existing it's having an air freshener. It's having your hands up. It's walking with skittles. It's walking and singing. It's, you know, the existence is an existential threat to that tree. Its root is real firm in literally white people controlling black people that they owned. It's the same tree. Chicago PD is just a branch hanging out. And you hope to God, or I mean, whatever, at this point, it's like, politicians can't do anything. I hope to Skateland. Thank you. Yeah. I hope to Skateland Gilf that even the politicians that are there who have the ability, I mean, quote unquote, to change the laws, it's just fucked up because they have no idea that they are, or they do or don't outwardly show it that they don't realize they're a part of this cell at a cellular level.

They are part of that thing. We can never, ever expect anything to change because the game is set up that those people get to those positions to stop the progress. And as much as we want to do scream out, well, we can do this or that. Show me where it's happening, because all I'm seeing is the fact that this this state is just an absolute catastrophic failure and a perversion of what anything should look like remotely looking like an organized government. as societies that like as humans we've come to new places where we have to start asking questions like just because we can should we like you know do we need to make swippers when we have a mop like evaluating our choices now that we've created this false resource abundance you know how do we reconcile with all these options and what we could and couldn't be doing it's why elon musk is landing two rockets while they're still hungry people living outside in the same communities where Elon Musk is landing, I like that better,

is landing those rockets. It's this madness we can't reconcile. And the same thing is happening with governing where every philosophical or governmental system that we have created depends on good actors. And as soon as bad actors enter the picture, they are all ruined. Democracy, capitalism, communism, social, whatever way you want to organize yourself, humans have not built a correct mechanism that works that we also feel is just to manage bad actors within social contracts anywhere. And it's why you can point to every system of government and say they don't work, because we've not gotten to this place philosophically where as like a community of humans we're having this conversation about how

we manage bad actors and systems that can't sustain with them because none of them can you know you can choose to be a good actor in capitalism and you will never make as much money as your competitors and that is like a perfectly acceptable loss but as long as there is the option for you to get devoured, then it is a tough system. You know, people who make other choices have to respect yours and they don't because those are bad actors. We're not good at this. And it is a critical reconciling point because that resource abundance that is so scarce is going to start putting so much pressure on the governmental systems that we created and we don't have good mechanisms to answer these questions and it's a big mature conversation that we need to have as like a species about how we organize

and i don't you know to say that we're ready for that is uh whatever we is even yeah but it's going to happen no matter what the conversation is going to continue whether we have but it's going to happen no matter what the conversation is going to continue whether we have it it's going to happen all around us pandemics storms yeah people have to be more active yeah i think active and actually critics being critical in their analysis of it and trying to actually have the imagination for how to move forward because it just ends with like well how could you what else are you gonna do if there's no cops like it's that's not right don't just end it there actually think what is the root of crime what does it mean to commit a crime what how is a crime defined what are the motivations of a person to go to break the law because there's a version of it where you can have a suit on and

do it with a smile and it's all good because it's nonviolent. But when you strip someone down to their basic levels of humanity where food or other things have to happen, that's where we're creating the chaos of lack. And if we don't address the chaos of lack, there will be no stability. of lack there will be no stability and then we can keep following into the same pattern of you know just creating creating revenue for the problem which is what we do here it's not to solve the problem it's like well how do we create more revenue for the problem in this case policing and we'll call it uh we'll call it solutions or reforms because at the end of the day it's just more revenue for that thing policing is part of the military industrial yeah that's been the game the whole time yeah is just create conflict so that you could fund conflict and spend make stability don't make money yeah there's no profit in peace so why

the fuck are we gonna do it and that's where we need to ask ourselves as people well what the fuck is profit if we can't have peace then fuck profit put myself on the ground like and i don't mean to imply thank you because i i like going to space with these thoughts because these are big questions but on the ground like uh police that is it those aren't bad actors that is a bad system there's no way that policing as it exists in this country could be reformed to like accommodate or mitigate bad actors it is a bad tree like that one's just got to go period uh and it like yeah there's the what do we do without police it's like we don't understand who's stealing from us and we don't understand

that it's not punished and we don't understand who to be afraid of we end up afraid of each other so false simplest thought experiment is like are you afraid to walk through beverly hills don't understand who to be afraid of. We end up afraid of each other. So false. Simplest thought experiment is like, are you afraid to walk through Beverly Hills? Right. No, I mean, granted, I mean, as a person of color, that's a whole other conversation, but in terms of what you think the risk is to your personal body walking through Beverly Hills, is that high risk to you? And the chances, the reason why it isn't is because you're dealing with a group of people who are, well, another side of of having abundance but they aren't experiencing lack so the things that you need to isn't the same set of stressors on people that exist there and that's

why they don't need look we're not we're not applying the same logic of like people who are supported, are fulfilled, are happier and have stability or support can actually live a good life of peace and love. Every neighborhood that you can't walk through is supporting Beverly Hills. Like Mid-City, you can't walk through because all the people who work in Beverly Hills to make that livable and support those people live in Mid-City. And I apologize, jumping in. It just hurt because I lived on that line where like, no, there's a line where supported people are in the art. Now we don't connect the violence of that Beverly Hills neighborhood to the one next to it. We don't see them as the same, but like when you're sitting in that comfort, you are perpetuating a violence somewhere else. We just don't recognize it and we don't take accountability for it and we don't see violence the same way when it's distributed by that one step

of removal and we don't see violence the same way when it's perpetuated by the police that like when you watch the organized response to peaceful protest the uniforms blind us to what's happening that those are citizens just like us and if they were wearing something else this is a war are citizens just like us. And if they were wearing something else, this is a war. And it's lopsided in a terrifying way. Watching journalists get shot in the eyes all year, it's like we don't, we're not recognizing where the violence is frightening. And that security you feel in Beverly Hills has a cost. And that cost is in other neighborhoods where police are killing people because we're supposed to be afraid of them. I wanted to raise this, just the specific role of guns in, you know, this is by no means like where the conversation ends on this, but it does seem like something that has been bubbling.

People just saying, well, disarm the police, disarm the police disarm the police and i don't know why that is not more of like if if the police didn't have guns they would what not like chase down somebody who they thought had a gun fine that's good i don't want them to fucking chase down like get into a shootout that might like cause somebody else to like get hit by a fucking stray bullet. Like the things that their their reasons for having guns are all like just living out this fucking macho action hero thing. But like just in terms of the statistics, like we mentioned, the police fatally shot a thousand people during the fucking pandemic. Like close to a thousand people. The people fatally shot 40, 50 police officers.

In the UK, there have been 40 police shootings of civilians since 2005. So that's less than three a year. We were close to three a day uh in the year 2020 the uk averages three a year and that you know there are other countries that have varying levels of and the police in england are racist as fuck like that is not that is not a problem that they have solved 38 black men are stopped and searched per 1 000 compared with four white people per thousand but that's just because there's more black people than white people in in the uk in england right when you yeah yeah we all saw that uh the cradle of civilization in england but they just sent a cop to jail for two years and three months

and his career is over for kicking someone in the knee and breaking their knee like obvious like he absolutely deserved to be but that feels like the sort of thing that would be a pretty average monday for a cop in the u.s and in fact would be something that like a renegade cop would do like caitlin to your point about like media that glorifies like cops and treats them as heroes it offers that opportunity for someone whose ego has been thwarted by someone else's agency to then override that with violence and that's the only job you can do that the only time you say what the fuck no now now get the fuck out the car because i told you to do this and now i can do this because i'm a that's what it allows and i think that's what it attracts so much and like these media materials are the perfect thing to

be like right i can't get pushed around when i'm a cop i do the pushing around because that's what it is right countries like italy greece again you know by no means like are they well greece hasn't had any civil upheaval not the past century they're nailing it smooth sailing but they have more they have more officers per capita than any u.s state but their officers aren't armed and that makes all the difference like the body count in america is five times higher than in sweden 30 times higher than in germany 100 times higher than the uk like on a per capita basis and like somebody's uh this article by derek thompson who is a writer from the atlantic who i like a lot points points out that they're doing this warrior cop training shit.

It's getting extra violent, the training of the police, at a time that violent crime has declined by more than 70% since 1993. And his argument is basically that we should stop thinking about guns as just an acute threat and start thinking about them as something more like lead poisoning. When we had lead paint covering our entire country and found out, oh shit, it is really toxicity that builds over decades, leads to a host of social and cognitive problems. That's what guns do. We have been acquiring them, accumulating them

for decades and decades, and it needs to stop. It needs to just go away. And everybody who argues you'll never get it to happen, that's, I don't know. It just seems like it's too clear-cut of a problem to just be like, well, it's a problem that is too big so we're not even gonna like think about addressing it like it's the onion article that comes out with every shooting no way to prevent this says only nation where this routine routinely happens yeah right

like you know the solutions are all around us and we have very very strange racist reasons for clinging to our idea of what gunner like guns are yeah what well-organized militia is gonna keep you safe from the cop dogs guys right like from the boston dynamics robot warriors that they own what do you think are you gonna scale up with them we've stopped i mean the it's so trite to say that the second amendment was written at a time when guns were different but we are now in a place where we've stopped asking if we should and just do shit we can and you know in terms of what the debate is of what people own like what what's the end game you know yeah what what ownership what private ownership would keep you safe in a state where the police already set the model for most armed civilians right and the second

amendment is it gives you the right to own and carry a gun and then but the police have the right to murder you for precisely exercising that right so like yeah what good is the second amendment doing to me knowing you could get shot for holding a gun but that's not enough that sounds like a real good reason for me to not carry a gun for me to not own a gun is knowing that if i just held it for me yeah but i mean yes certainly more risk people of color always always to say that people of color getting hurt by police because they own weapons directs the attention off the real issue in a sinister way weapons have nothing to do with why people of color get hurt by police air fresheners can do it so guns aren't relevant to that conversation it cannot be so

that in a that in a society where gun ownership is legal and protected, holding a gun is enough reason for someone to kill you. That's not really how it goes. You get one or the other. It's legal to have this, or it is a killable offense. It can't exist as both. That's not a right. It's not free speech. If I can say something, as long as it's not in front of the wrong person who can then take my tongue. That's not how this goes. I mean, even then, what is free speech? could have possibly exercised their Second Amendment right where the cop is approaching, asked him to take out his identification and license and registration. And he says, so I have to tell you, I do have a gun on me. I'm not going to pull it out. The guy immediately pulls his gun on him and says, don't pull it out. Don't pull it out. And he says,

I'm not going to pull it out. I'm going to get my license and registration like you asked me to. Reaches for that. And the guy shoots him seven times. Yeah. Look, everyone, too many people have internalized this white supremacy, this version of what a black person or person of color is or other is, which is a violent threat. a violent threat um and that sort of lack of nuance and looking at people's humanity just it makes it easy to just skip a couple steps straight to oh this is i'm fighting the predator and i'm arnold schwarzenegger like what the fuck i told you what the fuck was going on but you see dark skin you hear gun and now you've connected all these dots in your subconscious meaning this

person's trying to kill me. And now I must act. And there's so many layers. You are an armed person with a gun. You walked up to that person's car with a gun. Yeah. Why was that kid running? Huh? I wonder why he was running from the cop.

I wonder why. Holding a gun on him. He was just looking. Hey, why are you so nervous? Why are you so nervous? Because you're a police officer and I'm not white. Pepper spray in my eyes and there's a gun in your other hand i think because you have a gun in my face you have a gun in my face saying why am i in silver lake yeah maybe that's why that seems like a weird thing because

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All you need to do is sign up at katiecouric.com slash goodtaste. That's K-A-T-I-E-C-O-U-R-I-C dot com slash goodtaste. I promise your taste buds will be happy you did. And we're back. And let's talk about Netflix real quick. There was an interview with the guy who was calling the shots at the time when... Is it still the same dude? I think so. ted sarandos yeah yeah so he someone was interviewed and was like how did you come up with this brilliant idea of binge listening like how did you predict that that was the direction people

wanted to go in with our viewing habits what like what was the stroke of genius jack into the matrix yeah and then predict this and his answer is dude his answer is so fucking like why we just think like these people are so next level geniuses and they're just like idiots who just fell upon a solution yeah wow he said i never even thought about it so the reason they're talking was because of house of cards that before this they were sort of lauding how house of cards really changed the paradigm by dumping it all but if we're going to really speak facts it's lily hammer okay lily hammer did it first uh with steve vans honey yeah dvds did it first. TV marathons of road rules over the weekend are the forefathers of this.

Okay, I'll give it up. I'll give it up. In this sense, he said, talking about House of Cards, it was the happy accident of happy accidents. When we finished the season of House of Cards, we were about to launch. Somebody asked how we're going to put it out. We had a meeting and they asked, how are you going to release it? I said, how do you mean? And they said, one week, one a week, four a month. I said, well, everything on Netflix, we got it a season after it was on TV and we put up the whole season.

And I said, well, we can't have one show that comes out one a week and everything else all at once. So let's just release it all at once. And that's how we, that's how we did it. else all at once so let's just release it all at once and that's how we that's how we did it casual the answer was like oh yeah that's how that happened as a writer i want to take a pencil and push it directly through my eye tell creators how the audience is going to receive the media house of cards happened to be an exceptional bingeable show, basically a movie made by a movie maker. It's like lucky House of Cards. But man, American TV writers never know how long it's going to go. They don't know really how things are going to air on streamers. So like, it is very difficult to deliver to the audience an end product when you're guessing at how they're going to get it even more than like writing for another director's for a director's mission. There's like that. But then how does it even get to folk? That's just so frustrating that like executives don't consider how people watch. How we get Breaking Bad the whole season.

Okay. Do same for house cards. All of it. What? Huh? Are you okay? That wasn't a plan in like the creation of the show is crazy. That they didn't already.

Necklace is still a mailing series. You were going to be sending DVDs out. Was it up one episode? You had physical media to make to make this decision. An order had to be made. I think the one thing that was probably good on his end was like earlier in this interview, he's talking about like how they arrived at making originals is because they're like, shit, this is picking up steam and it's good for now. But when they realize how much money we're making, all of the other studios are going to start making their own shit. So we got to we got to get aggressive with originals like fucking now.

That is really cute, Miles. But, you know, a pile of cash hit the laundromat it's good that's like a nice backstory but netflix isn't a mystery when you sniff like come on i mean like i'm thinking like somewhere it's all it's all it's all very had to get clean and david fincher's phone number was on auto they're like hey man can you can you can you turn this around pretty quick they're like uh yeah what's robin wright doing yeah no problem there's a crown prince with a gold dvd on a wall somewhere oh yeah wow what i'm sorry i'm not in la right now so i feel just very free it's it's

no that's that's fine i mean i i wish we could turn vertically integrated business i can say whatever i want i can't please net, I'll do anything you want. I did a reality show for you. I never would have gotten it. Right. Where's my Saudi funding? Where is it? Bring it forth, Mohammed bin Salman.

Please. But yeah, I mean, I think the one thing, though, I mean, aside from the origins of it, though, is truly like it's wild to think 2013 was like the the start point of it sort of formally becoming this thing where it's like yeah this is how we're just gonna do shit now just dump it on people but it has given me just the ability because of i think to your point kate like dvds before like when you'd be like i don't really watch that show and then you had the fan friend who's like here take 900 of these dvds now so we can talk about this and i'm like fuck all right fine it's like now with binge watching like that was i was able to like get

into a show much quicker because before when you were sort of beholden to like the the flow of the broadcast schedule i i would quickly become cynical like man fuck that show i don't care but it's mostly like i haven't seen anything and i don't have the time to be able to watch it all hbo still does uh still does the weekly thing every once in a while right yeah yeah they do still care about ratings which is so bizarre to me because i mean i guess as an elder millennial again 40 i'm the spear type of the millennials and everything um we don't care about when something's on i don't know anybody who isn't a parent of someone my age that is still concerned about when something will come on right no what's a watch on demand world yeah being tethered to some day unless it's like

maybe like some of the trash reality shows that like i love to watch the second it comes out but other than that yeah it uh, it's completely irrelevant. My parents asked me what time daily zeitgeist is on. Oh man. That was cute. And he said, just subscribe, ma.

Well, speaking of parents, you can probably hear a car start outside the garage, uh, which, you know, I could be like, gee,

guys, except they gave me their garage. So their cars live outside. So sound of a Subaru roaring in the background. Know that my family is going to gather some food since I haven't grown anything yet. Oh, you failed them. You failed them, Skateland.

I have. I failed as a provider. Skateland needs to get on a board and start shredding for likes so she can monetize this. Do you still shred, Skateland? Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. I'm vicious on a board. Come on.

Come on. Come on. No, I don't. Go on. Certainly not during a pandemic. I can't be falling on my coccyx and needing the services of tired paramedics. Oh, yeah, don't do that.

Let's talk really quickly about junk food vaccination promotions Oh, yeah, don't do that. Probably going to be stalled at the first shots of the COVID-19 vaccinations until as late as June because the whole delivery process and just capitalist like global market ethoses. Bullshit. Meanwhile, I feel like Salk is going to come back and give us all polio for this. I feel like it's deserved but meanwhile in the u.s there have been several promotions to encourage vaccination uh most famously crispy cream is offering a free donut a day to get the vaccination uh which prompted a backlash since eating a donut a day would make you a cop yeah and also be more

likely to kill you than covid and then okay first of all donuts and cops are together because donut shops are open 24 hours that is a service to all of us not just police officers anyone can go get a donut anytime it is a great equalizer and donuts shall not be maligned on my watch no way no no i'm not anything evil and if a donut a day is what somebody's if somebody gets a vaccination to get a donut today and eat it, that person is hungry and there are bigger problems to solve. If we're worried about hungry people getting food, we don't get to care about what food it is.

If Krispy Kreme is going to do more for hungry people that are vaccinated than the government is, then fucking send them a wheel of cheese then. You're worried about it. Who was that? It was like some about it who was that was like some fitness person who was like being like oh a donut a day i don't know yeah sam adams jumped in uh sam adams is giving people a free pint or a free beer for getting back for their vaccine cards great it's like we literally have to it's like truly a carrot on a stick.

People say, hey, hey, hey, vaccine, vaccine. What do you want, beer? What do you want, a donut? What do you want, a fucking beef jerky? They're giving pre-rolls with proof of vaccination in Michigan. I love it. And in China, they're doing buy one, get one free ice cream cones.

And they're doing that in Russia, too. You get an ice cream for you got a little treat it's just the most this story like made me view america like we're like view the world like we're just in a giant skinner box where people are just like where do we move the treats for now to get the people to move right we want them to uh uh uh vaccine is real that the venn diagram of people who get vaccinated for a donut is very small there's a circle of vaccinated people and there's donuts and when those that little circle meets like everybody wants a donut.

I just love this thing that like a donut a year is a funny idea. I don't know who's going to take advantage of it. Right. Like you go once like you go get your one treat, presumably. Yeah, I think this is weird. It's very capitalist. Just trying to get a little like I can see it, you know, maybe on my site. Show me your fax card.

Ten percent off. I do it.'s like right yeah i can see it as a desperate company ploy to like be of this moment in this thing we're all sharing yeah it's to generate stories like we're doing right now it's just fine yeah i would love to go to a dispensary that gives me a joint because i'm vaccinated that feels good yeah yeah i'll take some ice cream thank you my arm hurts it's been a long year yeah israel meanwhile there's you know many of the people are already vaccinated they're trying to get some of the younger people to get vaccinated with uh with some pop-up uh vaccine centers that have free pizza that have djs that they've hired to create a festive atmosphere they set up one clinic in a literal bar with the promise of free drinks to those who got vaccinated but apparently they're non-alcoholic drinks but i feel like that comes with a heavy hey why don't you come by the bar

you can get vaccinated and then you're going to vote for Bibi. All right. That's what we're going to do. I'm going to have the DJs come by. It's going to be lit, everybody. You got to come down all the kids to Tel Aviv. Meanwhile, you know, so they're contriving gimmicks to get people

vaccinated, but Palestinians have only received enough vaccines for just over 4% of the population. So that's... that's yeah meanwhile we'll have the people in congress will continue to debate uh what is an apartheid state really though right yeah exactly i didn't even spell that all right let's move on to something else that won't i don't know there's a th in there it's too much what else can we do wait it's it's not thied. Oh, no. Let's look at a trans kid's genitals. Let's push that. Let's push that bill for another minute.

Let's do. I can't deal with that right now. Well, Caitlin, as always, such a pleasure having you on Daily Zeitgeist. It was genuinely fun. Thanks, guys. Where can people find you and follow you? They can find me at Robot Caitlin on the Twitter. I'm Caitlin as well on Instagram.

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I've missed you. It's been too long. Yeah. Go cup of tea. I'd be honored. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh, on Twitter? I got Mia at Mia Haraguchi.

Haraguchi? Whatever, it's a cool handle. She said, garlic is to cooking as vanilla extract is to baking in that the amount I add to my food is guided by reckless extravagance and utter disregard

verging on mild contempt for the recipe as well. I like that. Perfect. I live by it. Wise words, man. Miles, where can people find you and follow you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying?

Twitter, Instagram, Miles of Grey. Also, the other podcast, 420 Day Fiance. If you like 90 Day and the like. The tweets that I like. First one is from at GNGCHAR. Tweets, my toxic trait. I'll wake up on time, but lay in bed until I'm late. Oh, fuck.

Harper Rose, past guest, at Harper Rose D tweeted, I'd rather see my dad's dick than walk down the aisle to a groom who isn't crying. Ridiculous tweet. groom who isn't crying and then finally uh chucky cheese at chuck e cheese usa tweeted you can smoke here we don't care which is like a parody account with a bunch of chucky cheese but i just like the idea they don't give a fuck motherfucking man smoke whatever uh you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien uh tweet i enjoyed julia moser tweeted put no worries if not on my tombstone you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website daily zeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song should people be riding into this fine week upon? It's actually, I'm more thinking of like, you know, spoken word track, but you know, a song nonetheless by Gil Scott Heron, because while when Caitlin was talking about Elon Musk, you know spoken word track but you know a song nonetheless by gil scott heron because well when caitlin was talking about elon musk you know landing all these fucking rockets while we still got all this real shit happening upon the earth that need to be dealt with uh reminds you of you know really famous piece by gil scott heron called whitey on the moon problem has existed forever the terrible wrong direction of investment uh and it's a very simple piece

but always juxtaposing that with all the things we've got going on meanwhile whitey's on the moon i think really underscores just sort of the same frustrations that it's taking us decades to be able to work through or begin to realize so gil scott heron so you know it's on that album the revolution begins but this is called whitey on the moon and you'll find that in the footnotes or begin to realize. So Gil Scott Heron, it's on that album, The Revolution Begins, but this is called Whitey on the Moon. And you'll find that in the footnotes. Footnotes? The Daily Psycho is a production of iHeartRadio.

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