The Daily Zeitgeist - Corporate Dems Takin’ Ls? Entertaining Exhumed Corpses? 05.19.22

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

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hair like i said you've given me janet jackson and poetic oh my gosh i cut it you did so it's yeah it was like down to my waist which is a challenge because you will sit on your hair guys oh yeah oh what's that like to be glamorous it hurts okay first of all you like when you're trying to get in and out of cars you're trying to be like fast it's la you need to get in and get out so this driver can move on okay so it was like a whole process of like let me like very i don't know little mermaid-esque drape it over my shoulder so i can get in the car without tripping over myself but the real dilemma was trying to sleep because the braids are tight. You know, you're trying to keep them for a while. You're trying to wrap them up, but not too much tighter because it already hurts. And then you're

in bed and I would wake up like pulling on my head because my hair is like become my pillow in the middle of the night. It was crazy. I wanted to be a glamour girl. It was not meant to be. I do like these short braids, they're fun they feel kind of edgy it's giving me brandy norwood in the 90s and who doesn't love brandy so we made it work and i got to have glamorous hair for a minute remember jack harlow didn't know ray jay and brandy were siblings and i was like this is a crime millennials huh brandy responded what'd she say well i could find her actual tweet because it's so funny. Because it was threatening.

And Brandy's not a threat at all. She's going to stomp his little ass. It was so funny. This is West Coast shit out here. But let's get to our guest today. We've got a brilliant and talented comedian. You know, somebody whose Twitter feed i was straight laughing at because you know sometimes i'm like okay i want to learn about a new person what's their twitter

vibe like and usually that's the biggest thing like you gotta vibe someone's twitter out and you're like okay we fucking with this person it turns out we are uh you know this person's been featured on netflix is bonding pbs and stories from the stage uh cso's new york's funniest i remember cso y'all oh man shout man. Shout out to CISO. A lot of you. If you got a CISO check, shout out to you because those are the exalted few. Please welcome Jean-Marco Cereci!

Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad you remember CISO. I cashed that check real fast. Good, good, good. I'm like, this company is going under immediately. I was on a show on Quibi, too. No, you not i have i have credits for everything that's that's closed down oh damn john marco that is those are you know i remember when those cso checks were coming out and i was like oh i'm not established enough at ucb to get one of them

checked but i saw people that were and i was like credit to you i love love it. I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Where are you coming to us from right now? I'm from New York City. Okay. It's hot. It's hot. It is? It got hot in the last two days. I hired a friend to put in my air conditioner because I was too scared to do it myself.

Got you. Like a window one? Yeah. Even though apparently the last death via air conditioner falling out of a window was like 1968, which shocks me. What? Shocks me. Really? How do we know that for sure?

What do you Google? Last time air conditioner killed somebody in New York? That's exactly what I Googled. You did it verbatim. I just can't. I would think it would happen once a day with New York, but I guess not. I mean, I remember I've straight up seen somebody. Well, LA is a little bit different because there aren't too many like multi-story buildings.

But I've seen people, the shit fall out of like a one-story window just onto the ground. But wow. Okay. Well, hey, love the safety measures that are in place, keeping people safe. And by hot, what's New York hot again? I mean, when it hits 90s or 80s even, because you get on the subway and those subways, sometimes you'll see a subway train and you're like, ooh, it's empty all to myself. And the moment you walk in, either someone took a shit or the AC is broken and it's hot.

Right, right. And it's never a good sign. It's always an illusion. New York has the same problem Chicago has, which is that it's next to a large body of water, which means it's also humid when it gets hot, which is terrible. A dry heat like L.A. has is somewhat bearable. You're like, I'm standing in the sun. I might die, but it's OK. Like, I can just become my bones.

And maybe that was my truest state anyway. But in like Chicago, when it hits 85, but if you have a high humidity, it feels like 110 and you want to die. You've just become sweat. Like an actual pool of sweat and heat and grossness. I don't like the heat, if you can't tell. I hate it. Hey, it happens, you know. No.

Chicago's rough. I don't know how anyone lives in chicago i was there for the winter i've been i've been touring okay oh oh okay yeah if you a terrible place to live in the winter were you there like in february yeah i was there i think in february exactly and man i was so windy it was so windy i'm getting off that airplane and the the luggage is blowing away and it's freezing. When that hawk comes through you, which is what we call the wind in Chicago. You call it the hawk?

The hawk. So Chicago is built on a grid because after the fire, they rebuilt it. And so it's perfect grid. So when you get on a street and the wind is coming directly up the street, you're trapped in between very tall buildings. And it just cuts straight through you like a knife, just like an icy piercing knife. Oh, like focused wind blast, basically. Oh, man. Exactly. Okay. Well, look, I love Chicago.

Shout out to me and my family. It's a great city. It's actually from Chicago. But let's get into some of the stories that we're going to talk about. And then we're going to pry into your mind a bit more, John Marco. Please. We're going to talk just a quick primaries check-in. We had some primaries across the country.

Progressives kind of did a good job despite all the ridiculous spending from the establishment. So we'll go over some W's there and some L's, including a crypto billionaire who took an L. Wow! You love to see that. Then we're going to talk, just a quick grift update.

We've got some new MAGA stakes on display. And Kimberly Guilfoyle, you know, a.k.a. MAGA Rita Repulsa, was showing us her skills on the grills in this video clip. And it's just it's it's sad. And also predictably the beef that they're trying to sell you is trash. And then we're going to talk about Stan Lee being resurrected digitally. Yikes. Because nobody asked for that shit. But these people still think we want digital ghosts and shit like whitney we didn't want that i mean we heard but you were doing disturbing don't leave that shit alone

leave that shit so we'll get into that and some other stuff plenty more uh but first john marco what is something from your search history that you you know, reveals a little bit about who you are, what you're into? So someone recently told me about this video that I was searching for. You know who Richard Belzer is? Belzer? Yeah. From Law and Order. Yeah.

He was a stand-up comic, like a host, like he kind of hosted a lot of stuff. So someone told me about this video. It's him with Hulk Hogan and I believe Mr. T. And he makes a comment on it. This on a talk show. He says that wrestling is fake. And Hulk Hogan is like, let me show you how fake it is. And puts him consensually in like a sleeper hold of sorts.

But within 10 seconds, Richard Belzer passes out. Hulk Hogan just drops him. Oh, he flops on the ground. And so he wakes up. I mean, he was passed out and there's a pool of blood by his head. No. And he wakes up. He like he kind of he's clearly he doesn't know what's going on.

The moment he realizes he's on camera, he says, all right, folks, we're going to go to a commercial break and we'll be right back. And you see on the back of his jacket, there's blood, blood, blood, blood, blood. And apparently he sued Hulk Hogan and it was settled out of court. But he got enough money that he bought a villa in France and called it Jay Hogan. Oh, yes. And that's so awesome. Sorry, you finish. No, I just I think the reason I was looking up because because, you know, stand-up's a tough career,

and I was seeing, like, kind of, what are my options to make a living? Right. Maybe I can get choked out by Conor McGregor and then sue my way into homeownership. Yeah. The wonderful art. What were you going to say, Jalop?

Just, like, first of all, if you didn't know Hulkulk hogan was a fucking asshole like bang there it is like to put someone in a chokehold but then also not to make sure they have a safe land like it's one thing for a demonstration but you need what like two seconds to just be like see that's awful right yeah yeah but then to drop him on top of that i'm glad he got his money and his revenge bananas that's bananas yeah all right i i you know as an aggro team who learned brazilian jiu-jitsu i was a probably abuser of the rear naked choke uh on unsuspecting people now i wouldn't put people unsuspecting what do you mean just like like this guy would be funny i was around some

weird aggro motherfuckers let me tell you it took one dude to start learning brazilian jiu-jitsu and now everyone was like doing like standing triangles and all kinds of submission holds like during like break between class and shit and it got it was out of control so anyway i had to arm myself with some knowledge too because i'm like okay i gotta be able to break some of these holds or like not get put to sleep and i remember you're coming out at recess and seeing like 15 unconscious kids on the playground i tapped i tapped you like see it's effective it's effective and i'm like you know what your parents still aren't gonna get back together even though you learned that choke hold but you know keep keep pushing it but one time you know the big thing is if someone first of all a chokehold is different than like do

you consent to me putting you to sleep you know and then just drop because if someone's out you're dropping dead weight and you know that again that like you said caused him pretty bad head injury but is the villa beautiful have do have we seen pics of the villa i'm sure i'm sure it is a nice it's a nice villa and then and then hulk hogan got all his money back suing gawker and uh the circle of money peter teal right what a what a what a cool group of people they all got together you know what though i was into wrestling like i liked hulk hogan and stuff yeah it's better for kids to be into what did you say you learned brazilian jiu-jitsu yeah sure it's better to have that i remember back in my

day we were scared about high schoolers practicing wrestling moves on each other and i think one person died i'd rather have kids get into wrestling than into fucking you know what's going on now right i'd rather than be into like hand-to-hand combat than any other kind of combat so i'm down for it let them choke each other out that's that's that's a lot safer constructive modes of like wrestling they have like really strict rules to make sure people don't get hurt yeah you know don't make people till they pass out you know here's how you would safely make sure someone falls if they do get injured like right but people get hit you know what i mean like that's real i think that's what he's saying is like we're not just like lightly touching out there it's like no we're big and

burly shit because we gotta lift each other up your body's got to be able to take a certain amount of impact and belzer you're built like a skeleton so this is not maybe the best uh situation for him but damn all right hulk uh what's something you think is overrated so as delicately as I can put it, I think the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial, this is the reason why I think it's overrated the attention we're paying to it. Because everyone's putting on to their own particular issues or their feelings around two people that are wildly problematic. So I've seen recently a lot of, obviously, at least on the internet,

Johnny Depp has like this PR team where all of a sudden meme accounts have taken sides in the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial. And then some other people have been saying like, you know, the way you're talking about Amber Heard is undermining people who claim that they've been abused. But the problem with putting that on Amber Heard is like, they're both so, you don't want any of these people as the face of whatever cause it is that you are believing in or fighting for. And I just think in terms of celebrity trials, we need to detach all sincerity from them because they're both out of their minds. And I have seen divorce up close. I've seen trials up close. You don't want to, from the outside, be taking sides or putting any stakes onto it, especially when they're people

that are insane. And they're both insane. So, yeah. This is one of those things where even outside of Amber Heard, there were, you know, allegations of him being violent, you know? Yeah. And there are, like, a lot of, on Twitter especially, I've seen a lot of people be like, this feels like a fucking psyop that's, like, happening on the internet that there's this, like, total information war happening around this trial. And there's, like, definitely a cohort of fans

who want to find a way to absolve Johnny Depp and other people who are, you who are completely in the other direction. It is something that I'm like, Johnny Depp is not innocent. To completely act as if nothing has happened, I think, is really disingenuous. I think why a lot of people are looking at a situation like, but I thought there were these credible allegations against him, but all of the internet, the internets, or the internet, because I've seen multiple

write-ups this week of how the internet has completely just sided with Johnny Depp. I think the meme accounts was the weirdest thing I've ever seen. And the reason I notice it a lot is there were some meme accounts that I just followed on Instagram or whatever

that started posting a couple months ago pro-Putin things. And that's when you're like, oh, this meme account is run by Russia. And all of a sudden, there was a picture of Putin on a bear, like, look how badass Putin looks. And all the comments were like,

what the fuck is going on? And it was because these things are owned. It's, it's all, nothing can be trusted anymore. But I just think whether you're, you think Johnny Depp or Amber Heard, I think if you start putting bigger issues on top of this kind of trial,

you're going to be disappointed because if you put your, if you put your, uh, that's on Amber Heard, some, you're going to be disappointed. Because if you put your bets on Amber Heard, some horrible things are going to come out. So you just gotta... Sometimes I think certain things shouldn't be taken seriously by us en masse because it's not going to help anyone's cause. So that's how

it's overrated, watching trials like this. And it's embarrassing. These news outlets should be embarrassed the way that they're presenting these trials for clicks the mass consumption to make money off of the trial has absolutely been really disgusting the way people are like here's my t-shirt supporting whichever side or especially when you consider that the outcome of this trial has real world effects like and not just on these two people but you know if you can sue your accuser you know just because you know you're saying they lied they're saying they didn't like that it's already happening or marilyn

manson just uh sued evan rachel wood for defamation you know that kind of stuff is really heinous and scary. And so I think the lack of seriousness with which the trial is being treated, the fact that it's become a celebrity walk for Johnny, the fact that, you know, there's all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork to tell their, like, salacious story for either one of these people when again just a lot and i don't know if you guys have seen um johnny depp has a kid lily rose depp she's a performer but they've been bombarding her instagram people why aren't you speaking out for your dad like she's now getting harassment online because people don't like the fact that she's not being vocal enough for their taste like it's just yeah it's showing a lot of the worst of what the internet can do and that's pretty disgusting yeah it's i mean it's the stan culture is like absolutely absurd and it's almost like man if you have enough fans you can create an outward perception that you've done no wrong

when it's like you can look at just anyone just look holistically at anything like past descriptions of his behavior that this never. It's like you can't find instances where people said, oh, yeah, he's kind of a violent guy. Yeah. But, you know, this is this is but, you know, I think there's a very also interesting moment, too, because perception is reality. To have things like this completely obscures, you know, what is actually happening in service of, you know, all of these very, very misguided defenses. What's something you think is underrated? This feels very specific to me.

But since it's summer, I don't know if I got this wrong. I apologize. But something that I think is underrated. So I'm a big snow cone guy. And I think, listen, no one has ever agreed with me and neither will you. I like a plain snow cone. What? That's not a thing. That's just shaved ice in a cone. You mean you eat crushed ice? Sir, what?

Listen, sometimes you just need texture and temperature and you don't need taste. Sometimes I'm a chewer. Okay. So I'm a chewer, right? People chew on gum after it's lost its flavor. No. temperature and you don't need taste sometimes i'm mature okay so i'm mature right okay people chew on gum after it's lost its flavor no yes so for me a a a snow cone it's just like oh i'm consuming water in a new fun way i get to feel the coldness i get to feel the melt i love the feeling of the melt and then the little slushy part at the bottom. I always get it. You mean water? I was going to say, no slushy.

But it's not just ice. It's not just water. And I can see every snow cone person I've ever asked. They go, they say, what flavor? I say, oh, just plain. And they go, they act like I said, can you shove it up my ass? Like they look like I said something so obscene. And then I go to pay and they go,

you can pay whatever you want. Because you didn't get the one thing that makes it a snow cone. They're like, you all right? You know, this is on, it's on the house, man. But that tool that they use to cut the ice, it's very expensive. And I don't have blocks of ice at home,

so I can't make this on my own, really. I love it. And you should all try it of ice at home, so I can't make this on my own, really. Yeah. I love it. And you should all try it. If you want a nice, healthy snack that's just like, mmm, textures. So underrated. In fact, not even rated at all because no one's even given it a shot. Plain snow cones. Okay.

A couple of things here. One, they do make icy machines for children. So if you want to get one so that you don't have to go to the guy and get the judgment every time you order the icy cone you could just make it in your house a little shaved ice it's cute i think they're like 30 dollars yeah second when you have red or blue and i feel like it's kind of a quintessential like it's not even flavored they ask you what color you want when you get an Icy. When did the plain Icy...

I have to deconstruct your childhood now. Did something terrible happen? You were like, no flavors. It's too exciting. It's not Icy. Yeah, it's snow cones. Listen, lots of terrible things happened. I don't know what relates to the snow cones.

But it really did start... I didn't... All the flavors were too sweet really did start like I didn't, all the flavors were too sweet for me. I just didn't like the flavors. I don't know what it was. And so I one day

I got Too sweet for a child's palate? Even for some reason. I like certain sweet things, but something about that, I didn't like it. And sometimes they have melted or condensed milk

on a plain snow cone. God, is there anything better on this earth? You can focus on the flavor of the condensed milk. This sounds like a treat. This sounds like a treat my grandmother would have been like, now this back in the day. Really? Exactly.

We'd have ice chips for dessert if we were good. Ice chips. They're delicious. That's so good. Just try it once. Just try it once. try it once i will and because i have eaten bear snow off the ground before yes and it's amazing it tastes so good yeah i mean once you get the asphalt stuff off of it whatever it's yeah it's pretty good pretty tasty but i kind of half understand there's this thing in in japan right shave ice is a big

thing uh people call it really gaudy out there and like joelle like you're saying there are little machines you can buy that you can like just manually crank and you'll get really good shaved ice and you can then flavor it however you want so if you're into that thin shaved ice i suggest doing that you could freeze your own little water discs and then just grind them out on your own and you got exactly what you're talking about but there's also this other Japanese like confection thing that they have, like that they sell in the freezer aisle. I think it's called ice box and it's a little cup with little chunks of ice, but they're

lightly flavored, like very lightly flavored, like grapefruit ish flavor, like sweeter. Great. I love it. I love it i love it and that's a fun thing because when it's hot it's like eating ice cubes that have a little bit of sweetness to it so it's kind of splitting the difference between what you're talking about and i get the appeal of something like slightly simple but when it's hot like there's something really enjoyable about eating ice but if i'm getting the snow cone you know i'm going i'm going up it's just It's red or it's tiger blood or whatever the fuck flavors they got.

That red and that orange. That's the fuck I need. But hey, to each their own, obviously. I like a purple. Mix the red and blue. Oh, you like purple? Absolutely. Okay.

Everything is purple. Purple everything. That's how little we know about these flavors. We keep calling them colors. Yeah. That's crazy. That's all they are. They taste the same, except when you close your eyes and you're like no this is definitely purple yeah well it's because they don't mimic anything that's actually natural

you know what i mean like yeah i ain't never tasted cherry that tasted like what was told to me is cherry flavor cherry syrup call it red fuck it i want red want red. Give me red. Give me blue. I don't give a shit. As long as it's sugar. We're good. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll try some plain ice. And we'll be right back.

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who they would like to go forth to do battle, electoral battle over which corporation gets to run the fucking Congress. So a lot of money was being spent by the Democratic establishment to prop up a lot of whack ass corporate Dem incumbents and try to snuff out any progressive momentum. I mean, we've seen regularly the establishment go after progressives, try and keep them from getting nominations, et cetera. And I think this past year has been really frustrating for anyone who actually pays close attention to the promises of Democrats only to see shit just completely fall apart. And, you know, people like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema have alerted Democratic voters to the fact, you know, like for those that were

taking a long time to realize this, that there are some real shit stains among this cohort of legislators. And voters seem to have voiced their opinion on that in the primaries on Tuesday. So John Fetterman won the Senate primary against Congressman Conor Lamb, who the establishment bet fucking big on. I love when they lose. Yeah, I mean, all the machinery, all of the infrastructure was put behind Conor Lamb. Even John Fetterman, I think,

suffered a small stroke over the weekend. He wasn't able to be on the campaign trail like for, you know, GOTV efforts, still pulled it off. Another person in Pennsylvania was Summer Lee, who is a progressive state representative. She was going against a very well-funded person named Steve Irwin, who, you know, has a ton of money from AIPAC, the American-Israel political, basically the pro-Israel lobby that spends tons of money in the U.S. on both parties because for side with Israel, despite the numerous human rights violations or just general atrocities that we've witnessed just even in the past month.

And so Summer Lee going up against this man, as things stand, they haven't fully called it yet, but it looks like she is poised to win her race as well. So we're starting to see this thing where people were like, okay, who's the person who's like the, you can, who you can just tell is the establishment pick and the person that's kind of talking a little bit more to the suffering that I'm experiencing. That seems to be a better, you know, a better play in terms of the candidates that that have been picked so far and Oregon and Oregon massive amounts were spent from big pharma to prop up the incumbent Kurt Schrader, who, again, he basically killed Biden's low cost prescription drug bill. And Biden still endorsed this guy.

Like, even though he was a Democrat who was like, I'm going to side with my corporate pharma donors and be like, I think drug costs are fine. I think people, if they can't afford it, maybe they should die. Maybe that'll motivate them to do better. It's the kind of energy there. Joe Byron, he said, okay, I'm still riding with you. And well, looks like his opponent is going to win as well. And we also saw another candidate who was bankrolled by a crypto billionaire thief.

And this man was spending big, trying to get sort of in the good graces of the Democratic Party and trying to gain more influence and set up a pact to keep more corporate Dems in their seats. Well, his his pick in the Oregon primary lost to progressive state rep Andrea Salinas. So little little moments here and there where we're starting to see people say, oh, yeah, Little moments here and there where we're starting to see people say, oh, yeah, maybe I'm I want someone who seems just as pissed off as I am about what's going on, rather than some person with perfectly coiffed hair being like, yeah, yeah, it's white supremacy and deadly inequality. Yeah, that's bad. All right. Vote for me. But he doesn't sweat on TV, so he's good. Yeah, you know.

He's set. Listen, shout out to meeting somebody with the same name as the Crocodile Hunter. I feel like that name's got a lot of support still to this day. So I get why they threw money behind it. They were like, we're just going to go off the good graces of Crocodile Hunter and his adorable children. It didn't work. It didn't work, though. And I'm glad the voters listened to their heart instead of their nostalgia we could all take a lesson from that thank god every time you see any of these corporate democrats they they start using they borrow the language of republicans and

accuse their opponent of being socialists yeah and try to like use the same language as if when they're going up against a republican the the Republicans not going to call them a socialist, no matter what the fuck they claim they want to do. And it's so it's so enraging to just see them use the same tactics when they're going to get buried by their opponent. The Republicans are going to call them a socialist no matter what they want. Yeah. And they think somehow if they get closer to the centrist borderline or Republican position that they're going to win these Republican voters. They're fucking wrong. And they never take the risk.

And that's why it's just so nice to see them lose. And again, like you're saying, if you're a capitalist, you're going to have to call somebody a socialist because you're you're very much just defining the you know financial economic system that you believe in but so but these capitalists can't actually give up the ghost and be like well you know it's the companies that are fucking it up because then the whole myth of capitalism begins to crumble and since they are the you know constant gardeners tending to that they just have to keep being like well then it's socialist like uh i said that people deserve to not die in debt because they got sick and you're saying what and i think that's what's interesting i'd i'd love to see more in the discourse of like you know people who are

going up against especially democrats to just say like or even republicans what is your like show me how you are compassionate to a human being and how you can, how you see that play out. Like, I love my kids. I love them all my money. No, no, no. But how would you legislate that? How would you, how would you guarantee that? Make sure that parents can give their children money, you know, when they die, they can't take it. And that's, that's how we show love here. Oh, okay. It's just that degree degree of like you got to break that words hold the word socialism it's just used and if you talk to people who just like kind of watch the news now

and then that's the word that they cling on to oh well he's a socialist i don't support socialism and it's like you just gotta break these it's hard it's hard because if you're involved in politics so nice i think it's tough i remember seeing my mom this was during the the democratic primaries for the president and she was just like yeah b yeah, Bernie's just so loud. And you want to scream, you want to jump in front of a car because you go, that's what it is for her as a voter. Bernie's so loud. And it's like, how do you break? How do you break through that easy branding thing? They labeled him as loud. They label him as socialist how do you break it i think i mean honestly like this is a problem i think the you know leftists have had

to deal with for a long time is you know how are you going to espouse values without inevitably falling into that trap where they could just use these thought killing cliches like here's a socialist and then you know 40 of people's brains immediately turn off at the sound of that. But, you know, the more skilled, I think, rhetoricians need to just speak more to the basic experiences of people without using wonky policy speak, just to say, people deserve better. And we're in a situation where there are a lot of people who have the means to do a lot while there are many people who are doing everything they can to survive. And somehow that's not good enough in the country that we live in at the moment. And we need to find

a way to just make it so nobody has to suffer because they can't work or they're hurt or they're sick. And, you know, try that. But again, immediately you're going to have people who are backed by like a pack because you might eventually say, and we also need to consider the aid that we send to Israel. Boom. You're going to have all these super packs just dumping money on messaging to try and snuff you out. And I think we saw that time. And again, I mean, Nina Turner, who used to work for Bernie Sanders in Ohio, she lost her primary because the Democratic Party went all in on the person she was going up against, who was more into fossil fuels. Despite the situation we find

ourselves in, we're making space because I think a lot of the times, too, there's so much triangulation. It's like, well, we don't want to turn voters off by saying you don't like fossil fuels. don't want to turn voters off by saying you don't like fossil fuels um and it's a very uh it's it's a position that uh i think just sort of underlines how all over the place like the the platform is for the party another thing i just want to talk about is madison cawthorne aka baby fash bye hey sugar how you get third reich sugar sugar how you get Third Reich? I don't like that at all. Hey, baby fash. Anyway, for my old R&B fans out there. Narrowly lost his primary to, you know, because his own party basically decided to stomp his ass out.

Well, who threw the first shot on that, really? Not to defend any of those guys, but I'm just saying. I mean, I'm not. You can't out the party secrets that expect to get the same kind of support and backing okay if we're having cocaine-fueled orgies you keep that between us that's not everybody else's business you screw the family here's the other thing though madison you need to fucking come out with your mixtape and start naming names yes yes god or are you gonna do that thing where you've been thoroughly just, you know, sat down and you're going to be you're going to behave to try and get back into the game? I don't know if that's going to happen or if he's going to, you know, he's petty.

You know, he's already out here skirting lines and I'm not even rooting for him. I'm just saying, bring you and everybody else down with you. No, no, I like the mess. You know, there are no winners here. But if you can make it more entertaining and messy and also, you know, maybe give these voters even if you can. I mean, you already mentioned the margins are narrow. So, you know, if we convince one, two, three people to then positive things maybe will happen. But, yeah, he's had a wild time.

You know, he flew too close to the maggot son you know you hate to see it and then his wings just poof and fell straight to the earth okay well speaking of the grift on the right i just want to check in with like i said maga rita repulsa aka kimberly gilfoyle because remember that speech she gave her she's like it's only just begun or whatever the fuck i do i do remember and again you know shout out to all my mighty morphin power rangers fans out there um so she's really taken the drum the trump family duties to heart ever since she got engaged to don jr and much like her orange hemorrhoid of a future father-in-law she is also into hawking shitty steaks and convincing her followers

to fork over their money for a totally subpar product. And yes, the pun was intended when I said fork over. She wants all the patriots to know, okay, that she has got the one true MAGA steak. And if you're a patriot

and you give a fuck about creepy foreign meats, you better fucking do the right thing and you know, buy these steaks. So let's just check in with her. And before we started, I just want to note because, Joel, I know you like film. John Marco, have you ever dabbled in

filmmaking? Of course. Okay, you know how like when you start a video, you say, don't wait for me to cue you because it needs to look natural. Well, they couldn't even trim the video where how, like, when you start a video, you say, don't wait for me to cue you because it needs to look natural? Yeah. Well, they couldn't even trim the video where she's like, okay, now? Okay. Oh, girl.

But don't worry. It's very, very organic. I'm here at these beautiful steaks from good ranchers.com and this is the way you show your family you love them by buying this meat that is born and raised here in the united states just quick thing okay do you hear the fucking thunderstorm outside i do i do god doesn't like it yeah exactly she got angry moving on fantastic quality usda i don't know if you noticed or not, but 85% of the meat that they sell in stores today is not even from the United States. 85%? It's from overseas, from other countries, and you don't even know what's in it or what you're really getting.

Flip those unseasoned steaks, Kim. There's too much smoke there in your house. What did you get with this subscription? Smoke is everywhere. And when the kids want great steaks, they only want to eat Good Ranchers. And I don't blame them. For our steaks and some potatoes tonight, you can go to

goodranchers.com. When the kids want great steaks, I just love the kid being like, Mom, I want a filet tonight. I'm five years old. Make sure, though, do not give me any of that other shit from other countries. Yeah. when your six-year-old uh xenophobic don draper who just wants a blue steak with his fucking cognac and cigar

mommy where the fuck was this steak from is this from texas aussie beef oh fucking australian beef this bullshit it's actually fantastic but it's like they've never tried wagyu before i'm so confused well look right look you saw that look i'm not look as a japanese person i'm not even gonna hop in the meat the wagyu discussion them shits i did not they look like big red squares i didn't even see fat air marbling in that shit but a couple things she said which she's like oh this is great. It's USDA what? She just said, it's USDA. Yeah, no shit. It has to be properly analyzed

by the USDA for it to be sold in the United States. That just means it's legally edible. This movie is rated, so bring your kids. Rated what? Is it choice? Is it prime? You know what I mean like there's levels to the shit ben you're just saying and it is us and it is legal okay how'd you doing your test honey oh

i got a grade i got a grade for sure the thing that she said though right first up she said 85 percent of meat in the u.s is from abroad that's a lie That's just not true. There's only about eight to 12% of the beef that's sold here is coming from the, from abroad. So, but I think what she may be meant to say is if you look at grass fed beef, that's a different story. A majority of that does come from abroad because guess what? American cattle ranchers, they're not trying to feed them cows grass. Have you seen the factory farms here? They're like, how can I get the most meat out of these fucks? They're feeding those cows this steak is what they're feeding those cows.

Also, the water bill is already incredibly high on cows. If you go full grass fed, that's a price a lot of ranchers aren't going to be able to meet. Yeah, absolutely. So even then, the grass fed beef, from my understanding, it's, it's comes from abroad. It's still processed and packaged in the United States, but whatever, go off MAGA queen, let them know about your complete lack of awareness on how to cook. And to your point, Joel, you're like, it's so smoky.

So yes, it was because she has clearly has a, like a sick ass chef's kitchen. Like if you have an indoor grill, that's like, okay, we get it. You got, you know, probably people of color cooking for you every night and you feel good about

that. So the way that, the way that grill works is if you've ever been in a commercial kitchen, you like, or any indoor space, the hood vent has to be on when you're doing shit or else smoke will fill your fucking crib and your fire alarm or fire smoke detectors and shit go off. Clearly she wasn't running the hood vent has to be on when you're doing shit or else smoke will fill your fucking crib and your fire alarm or fire smoke detectors and shit go off clearly she wasn't running the hood vent because the smoke was just billowing out there was like fire flaming up from the fucking grill

because it was probably too hot or whatever and i'm like why did you turn the hood vent on and i said ah that's right low budget the fan was probably making too much noise and they're like we can't hear you kim so we're gonna have to turn that off and just completely fill the house with smoke so also i feel like maybe that grill has not been cleaned properly in a minute because the smoke is like blackish gray and if you've cooked before you want to lean closer to a whitish gray why is she everything is wrong just because she's trying to she wants to connect Americans to the good beef at good ranchers. And let's actually talk about that. Hmm.

What's their Better Business Bureau page look like? Oh, how about this? Here's some here's some reviews. Don't waste your money. Poor quality of meat. Good sales pitch, though. i would love to send this meat back i was ripped off here's another one if someone thinks it's a good sales pitch and they think the meat's bad you know it's really bad because that person doesn't have taste to begin

with right right right they still think it's bad love the sales pitch but the meat was loved it the sales pitch was incredible i gotta say yeah coming. The sales pitch was incredible, I gotta say. Yeah, coming from somebody who I don't know as a cook or chef, and clearly everything I'm seeing is just going wrong in their kitchen. Yeah, this is someone I can trust. Here's another one. I paid $203 for beef and got ripped off. Con man selling the steaks.

Told me there were 20 steaks in a box and there were 10 fillets were two ounce and filled with fat and chewy and filled with veins could not eat any of the fillets and used for pulled beef sandwiches totally deceived would never buy these again 203 dollars is a lot of money yeah it is so they actually ended up losing like their better business bureau like accreditation because everyone was like, yo, this company is absolute trash. And a lot of this is even before Kim Guilfoyle was, you know, caping for them. In what they said was all of their business practices were just so flagrant. And the way that their inability to communicate with customers are like, there's no way we can treat this like a business that is functioning and isn't somehow just constantly ripping people off.

So, like, we can't even talk about it here. Like, even say that this is a good entity to do any kind of commerce with. So, in case, again, you weren't convinced of Good Rancher's MAGA credentials, if you go to their website, they're offering customers a chance to have a meet and greet with red meat MAGA icon Candace Burnt Ann's Owens. Good Lord. So get it in, y'all. Look, they got everything there. Don't Republicans want nice things for themselves? It's confusing.

It's like you if you just read the reviews, you know that the meat is bad. If you see the video, you know it don't cook well properly. We have the same issue with Trump's little steakhouse or whatever. Yeah, Trump Steaks. His steak delivery thing. I just feel like, I understand they love a corporation, but don't they like a functioning corporation? Nah, I guess it's all grift, you know? Why would you want to meet?

What does Candace always have to do with your food? Why do these things go together? She supports what I support, which is white supremacy. Yeah. And she's black. I want to shake her hand to eat this terrible steak. That's like if they're like, you buy this Cheerios ripoff, you get to eat a bowl with Johnny Depp. I don't see how these two things go together at all.

Oh, no. But they're just trying, I think because their whole thing is right they're trying to create a whole new like commerce ecosystem where conservatives patronize conservative businesses but yeah little do they realize a lot of these conservatives are like oh i would love to fucking yeah just grift these fucking these stupid people just because i said hey i sent ben shapiro a couple steaks and he now has a quote on their Web site being like, I love their steaks. They're dry. They're dry. Like, anyway, they're not moist. Don't worry. I'm Ben Shapiro. And that, I think, again, creates this air of like, oh, good. The the brain trust of conservatives that I look up to also eats this subpar. The question is, will it ever break down?

Will people get wise to it eventually? That person who said, listen, great commercial, love the commercial, I watched it to go to sleep at night, but the stakes itself were bad. Eventually, I have to believe that they get too greedy and people start going, nah, this brand is ruined. I mean, you see sort of versions like this, right? Like just in politics where conservatives vote for certain policies and then it ends up at their doorstep.

And they're like, why didn't fucking mean that? Sure. Like there was, you know, this woman in Texas who's like worked as a lawyer for fossil fuel companies and there's this clip of her talking to other residents where you know some of the wells they were like oil wells that weren't plugged up properly and were bleeding into like it was all going into the water and she had all this contaminated water and she's like i don't understand like i voted for the republican person who had the who said they were going to plug up the wells but it turns out he's getting donations from

the companies he's supposed to be have oversight over and i don't understand you know and people were like what's going on and i'm a republican and you're like yeah motherfucker because those policies are bullshit same thing and you're seeing it in florida too there's like you know rent control people are talking about especially like older uh residents in florida they're like man we need some form of rent control because we're getting gouged and I can't afford a 60% hike on my rent. I thought they hated socialism. Oh, no. But then you see these conservatives around here being like, this is nonsense.

I can't afford this. Like, I'm on a fixed income and I have like my Social Security. I'm a Republican and blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, did you hear about rent control or did you like did those you know the messaging get to you too that but that's why they think they can do that with these kinds of things with food or you know the daily wire is going to start producing movies or whatever yeah and it's like at least with with arts and food and commerce the one it's closer together like policies you don't really understand you don't see the consequences until a little bit later but when the daily wire starts releasing Wire starts releasing a movie, these conservatives are going to have to sit and go, I don't want to watch any more of this movie.

I want to watch The Avengers, even if it's by the company that made me see a gay superhero. And they'll hopefully— Disney was wild. They really thought they were going to win that fight when they own the culture like as far as pop culture for a mass market goes right now disney's got it cornered so going up against disney was stupid especially when it's already going to hurt their bottom line disney pays so much in taxes even though they have like a tax credit and tax break down there they still pay a ton so it's only but this is like the thing that republicans are constantly able to pull off that mesmerizes me it's like it's got to just be that racism is so

addictive that they can't see beyond their own nose because i if i remember correctly obamacare helped more like voting republicans than it did voting democrats yeah and they were they were pivotal in pushing back against it when trump was trying to you know gut it you know, you know, like not to say that they were they fully were like up in arms. But many people like, wait, you mean the Affordable Care Act? I like that. They're like, what about Obamacare? No, no, I hate it. That's the same thing.

That's what I mean. Like, it's just it's wild how frequently it's like this is not going to work in your face. It's totally going to work against you. Consequently, it's like this is not going to work in your favor. It's totally going to work against you. And they're like, but otherwise, I don't know. Black and brown people are going to come for me. Got to vote with my people.

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What are your thoughts on, you know, John Marco, do you want to have a hologram doing some of your old material centuries after you've passed? Well, let's start with how do I feel as a struggling actor now? Do I want to be competing? When these celebrities die, I go, oh, finally, some room. Some room to get in there. And now it's going to be like, oh, I'm auditioning against young Marlon Brando? What the fuck? I thought I was free of this.

This is a nightmare. I hope, I know people like Robin Williams specifically had clauses that said, do not do this. Which, thank God, because you got to give new people opportunities. And you're starting to lie about what life is. is a deeper existential thing here where it's like we are we're even more furthering the dealing with death and loss and change and growth and i remember one of the most earliest cgi ones was when paul walker died in fast and the furious oh yeah and they tried to make it like you know they said they used his brothers in the scenes and the brothers helped the cgi make it look more like paul walker when i know the truth was they could have used a fucking golf ball and it would have been just as accurate they didn't need the brothers at all they just wanted to make it a little bit sweeter

a little bit warmer but the truth is they you could make holograms of tupac going on tour richard pryor went on tour again you i i think you gotta move on baby yeah you gotta you we can't do this i i don't like it it makes me uncomfortable it's like we can't it's like with how studios can't break their addiction to already established ip it's just like the further extension that was like well i mean can we get brad pitt in another film and it's like he died 30 years ago. It's like, deepfake Brad Pitt, you fucking. Or they'll be like, hey, CGI Johnny Depp didn't do anything wrong.

CGI Johnny Depp isn't even a real person. So we get to bring him back to Pirates. It's a combination of zeros and ones. I hope, listen, for a cameo for Stan Lee, sure. I hope that human beings, part of the desire of seeing a movie is like, oh, that's a real person that exists, that I'm seeing, that did something.

Like, that's part of the joy. Like, you want to see a gymnast do flips as opposed to a CGI gymnast do impossible tricks because there's a joy in, oh, that's a real person. And that person could be bad or could fail. And they succeeded. Versus a predetermined animation. Because there's a joy in, oh, that's a real person. And that person could be bad or could fail. And they succeeded. Versus a predetermined animation.

Yes. I hope that keeps people working as actors. I think as a culture, we should have more respect for the dead. And by that, I don't mean not critiquing people and the way they live. Because that's stupid but like you know when somebody thought it would be okay for Hugh Haffner to buy the spot next to Marilyn Monroe so he could be with her all like that was weird and we should have been like Hugh no step away from this woman she's dead please let her rest in peace that's weird and then I think we do a lot of the same

things now where we are either chopping up old material or digitizing people who could never have consented to this to how their image was being used and we've already seen a lot of trouble with deep fakes and so i think there's definitely an ethical and moral discussion around that that being said i think the tool and the technology are interesting and when people try to apply it to actual like artistic endeavors, you know, however you feel about the Irishman, you know,

it was trying something. And it was, and I think, and especially because a lot of people hated on them. He was like, you could just hire young actors. And yes, obviously Scorsese is aware he could hire other actors if he wanted to,

but I think it says he was saying something very specific about being an octogenarian and being older and reflecting on your life and trying to put you know these little guys he's known for a long time in like these younger bodies and a chance to really explore like what does that mean to us as older human beings and i think that there's a deep and very interesting artistic endeavor in doing that there's something so funny about Robert De Niro though, because they made him look younger, but then when he moved, like he was like,

he was still moving like an old man. They did not figure that part out at all. And it was a challenge. It was definitely a challenge, but you know, but then I think like in a very hypothetical setting, right? Like if they were to make a movie about like,

I don't know, glamorous 1940s Hollywood, and they wanted to, you know, CGI a little bit some actors to really put that like, like, oh my God, that's actually, you know, I don't know, Greta Garbo or whomever, and give that vibe. Like, would I be okay? Would that be cool?

I kind of want to see it. I have mixed feelings. I think it's definitely a state and like a state a state should be asked and i think specifically people who like please don't do this i don't know how you intend to use my image post my life then yeah we have to respect that but i think it's an interesting tool well so you know the reason i bring this up is because marvel announced that they had a deal to quote license the name and likeness of the late stan lee and people were like okay does this mean like it increased like cameos like in the films and it doesn't seem like that's what they say quote necessarily the plan but they still it's like they want to use his likeness in like theme parks cruise lines and

on merchandise which like okay so we're trying to say like here's pappy marvel and like here's my happy marvel to see that oh look there's the guy that's dead there's oh that reminds me of my mortality how cute let's get that t-shirt wasn't y'all like creepy later in life no no don't worry about him he's he look he gave us some of the great characters. Now, I think it's just really interesting when you consider, right, that the company that they made the deal with, which, you know, again, behind is behind this deal. They were sued by Stan Lee for a billion dollars in 2018. And he alleged that he had a quote that they had a, quote, nefarious scheme to steal his likeness and were even impersonating him on social media.

Jesus Christ. The company, like Lee co-founded this company. And they said in this lawsuit, Lee's claim that they approached him about the likeness deal. And he was this was when he was, quote, grieving after his wife's death. This was when he was, quote, grieving after his wife's death. Oh, my Lord. And, quote, nobody ever read the contract to him, end quote, despite the fact that he was legally blind at the time. So, oh, evil.

That's evil. We sent it to you, Stan. You didn't read it? I can't read you motherfuckers. Look, I'm going through a lot now. Yeah, yeah. We'll make it short, Stan. We'll make it short.

I think this is a good deal for you. You want it? We'll send some money over to you right now. Just sign the thing. Okay. Well, anyway, he dropped the lawsuit, but it still just like paints this in a very weird light. And this is, again, like we're saying, this is just sort of the latest example of these dead celebrities being, you know, entertainingly exhumed for our enjoyment

they're gonna be like he his cgi self dropped the lawsuit three years after his death right right exactly like right now right there's like in this uh the new dirty dancing sequel that was announced there's a mention that they have had discussions with Patrick Swayze's estate because, quote, Johnny is a part of baby's journey in the story. So people were like, I'm sorry. So does that mean there will be CGI Swayze? I don't know. We'll see. It's kind of the thing.

There was even like a Bourdain, like Bourdain's voice was like recreated using AI. And, you know, his ex-wife was like, oh, this is fucking gross bullshit. This is really fucking weird. It'd be funny if for the baby, they tried to do that leap where he picks her up in the air and she goes for the leap,

but it turns out it's CGI. So she just leaps and goes crashing into the ground. It's so weird. Because at first, before we learned all the information like you know stanley was such a i don't know whether i again a voice piece for marvel i mean before they became marvel studios i mean he's doing radio back at like marvel radio back in the 60s like really promoting the brand and he's the one who moved studios from new york to la so they could get into animation in the late 70s early 80s like stan is a quintessential part of the marvel brand

disney is known for showcasing their uh the early creators right like walt is everywhere and they probably have his body somewhere and they're prepared to wake that up and reanimate it as well when the technology reaches there. So I just feel like, oh, it sort of makes sense that they would try. But to know that the deal wasn't made directly with Marvel and that it's through a company that he tried to sue, I just don't see in good conscience

how you could ever release anything at this point. It's just so skeevy. But then- Well, you know, it's so- On a cruise ship, you can eat in the Stanley Dining Hall, you you know that's maybe where they're going with it i don't know sure and that's disney cruises big selling point is that each night the disney hall the the dining hall where you eat gets a complete like design makeover because most of it is led screens

oh shit okay yeah well now you might be able to eat your overly dry pork chop with a smiling uh old white guy with aviators on awkward oh no how's the pork chops true believers like what the fuck dude get the shit off the screen that's fucking weird as fuck and then also there is this like james dean vietnam war film that people talked about in like 2019. And you're like, what the fuck are you doing with James Dean? That didn't happen. But now there's apparently a James fake. James Dean is going to be in a new movie about a toddler who magically transforms into James Dean after just two weeks after seeing like going to the scene of like james dean's

death where his car crash was in california have to be like 600 james dean lookalikes on the planet ready for their shot yeah and if you because if you want to do like a satire or an artistical piece about like what james means to the culture and how that image impacts us there's story there i get it but then if you are literally just recrafting james a man who died in his early 20s who could have never imagined this to be a possibility that is a lot joelle look i know you watch a lot of film and you have i do you have good takes and opinions on this but yeah I haven't even read you the description of the film and you already jump into conclusions. So a toddler turns into James Dean.

I know, but let me describe it fully first and then make a decision. Okay. So hold on to your assholes for this one. Quote, a writer finds a newborn in the backseat of his car after a storm subsides in Chalame, California, the place where on September 30th, 1955, legendary Hollywood actor James Dean died at age 24. The baby's presence is a mystery, as is what happens next. A few days after suddenly appearing in the car, the baby has transformed into a toddler. Two weeks pass and he's already a teenager who looks and acts like Dean. Two weeks pass and he's already a teenager who looks and acts like Dean.

It turns out the new human is indeed Dean, who returned to life to experience everything his own untimely loss denied him. Meanwhile, instead of living in the 1950s, Dean 2.0 is driving a Tesla, using an iPhone, and reading what is still decades after his death being written about him on social media. What's being written about James Dean on social media right now other than this new james dean movie is fucking weird yeah this is why the fuck did they do this hey james dean stay dead fam oh boy i just i do wonder who's getting the money is it james dean's grandkids is it someone's got the money's got to be going to someone yeah well so you're right this is a product of a licensing deal that intellectual property management company cmg worldwide in film production company hannibal media have made with marcus winslow trustee of james dean's estate and dean's cousin and he's also one of the executive producers all right

get that ep credit while you sell out your cousin. That is wild. If any of my cousins had control over my likeness, that's not a deal I ever consented to. You'd be like, Marcus? Let's be on the record now. Fucking Marcus's ass just got me playing with a Tesla. This fucking, he doesn't know me. But yeah, again, this has even happened.

Whitney Houston had a Vegas residency. It's all just part of this very, very odd thing. And I think, yeah, it is. Like you're saying, Robin Williams has a deal. 25 years at minimum. Restricted use of his likeness or image. 25 years and then they can go. He should have made 500 years.

Because 25 years is not long enough. He's got kids, though. He's got kids. And they're very vocally supportive of their father. I don't think Zelda is not long enough. He's got kids, though. He's got kids. And they're very vocally supportive of their father. I don't think Zelda's going to allow. Robin Williams did that movie. Wasn't it AI where he's like a robot that becomes self-cognizant?

Bicentennial Man. So what I would say is they should make a movie where it's Robin Williams. They recreate him, but they use all his, everything they had and basically become self-conscious and he he becomes conscious realizes he's a celebrity who's been brought back to life against his own consent and just tries to destroy disney and take it down that's

what i want i like that like sentient resurrected that's better than the james dean movie you just read me and i just thought at top of my head yeah you just thought that i like that okay hold on we gotta we're gonna i'm gonna reach out to zelda zelda williams and be like we're gonna holler at uh some of our connections at uta and see if we can push something just maybe we can get a call disney disney to fight robin williams brings walt back from the dead it's revealed that it's true oh yes and then it's a war between CGI Robin Williams and Disney's head. And Cryo Disney. Yeah. Oh, and he's like Krang from fucking Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles because he's just a disembodied head.

And he's inside of a gigantic like baby robot thing, like Master Blaster kind of thing. I thought of Mickey Mouse. I mean, but again, we can mix the brands. Right. But it's like a Gundam like size. A Gundam Mickey. Yeah. Okay. We got some like a Gundam like size. A Gundam Mickey. Yeah. Okay.

We got some here. We got some here. There's a lot of IP stuff that would be very interesting, but I like where we're going. But yeah, I think there is something to say like to your point about our rejection of our own mortality and also like the rigid lack of creativity that exists in Hollywood at the moment with like just people barely now being like, what about, like, new ideas?

What about, like, new creators? What about, like, new stories? What about, like, more diverse? We're about to see all of that dry up. The thing that's really interesting to this about me is, like, there's a reason Hollywood is so attracted to bringing back proven successes. They really don't want to take any kind of risks right now. That's why you don't see a lot of original IP. And when you do, everyone worked at scale,

which if you're not an industry person, basically means the lowest amount of money they would show up for. I just think that there's such a fear of being wrong right now, especially as we watch Netflix sort of wither on the vine. Yeah, and the first to go are a lot of their diverse hires a lot in dude i mean that's a whole other thing i'm about to be like yo i think

i'm done with netflix to be honest oh i unfollowed every netflix account this morning i'm probably going to cancel my subscription i don't think i've turned on netflix in the last two months i used to be such a netflix devotee just because they were supporting launching so many careers but then when you hear the stories of people who work there horrifying stories and i mean like everything from i'm not being heard to i was fired and let go within two months to you know and now basically i heard they just released a memo I haven't seen with my own eyes yet, but basically saying, hey, man, if you're offended by the things Dave Chappelle said about trans people, you're free to go find another job, to which I hope

those people are able to find another job quickly in a way that doesn't hurt their finances at all, because that is a ludicrous thing to tell people to essentially just accept hate. I told my ex-girlfriend i said cancel this account right now we need to cancel this immediately i know i can't even get this company can't and that's and me that's the same like yo mom we gotta stop i'm gonna let you cancel that though or at the very least i'm gonna delete my profile off your account and that's real that's real you can and you can just have that you can

just keep it as guests. I don't give a fuck. But yeah, it is really disheartening. And like on top of it, you think that those kinds of actions mean and I think this is an again, more backlash, right? This is this is a constant in American society. There's a little bit of progress, things don't go right, or whatever. There's a backlash, there's an immediate pushback. This, you you know especially with the chapelle stuff and their numbers going down i feel like in a way they're maybe trying to signal to people it's like hey man we're like the not woke streaming service with not that great original shit anymore if you're into it but we got people fucking in masks if you like that and some other

cool dating shows all right maybe not check us out though anyway so the stream wars will continue and we will eventually see a winner but yeah yikes and yeah like you're saying for all the people whose careers started and seemed promising there for all that shit to just get pulled out from under them so quickly and just leaving like the status quo at the company i think is very very disheart, especially when you look at the things like strong black lead and some of the other verticals that they had, like where they're curating stuff for people, you know,

that were interested in it. Oh, let's, let's actually toss those out because those actually, those are some of the loudest people in the company and we don't need that. Yeah. Well,

it's going to hurt their bottom line. Cause I mean, we can already look at some of it. Look, did you guys see, I don't know if this is the right crowd but they just announced the new bridgerton couple and want it's not no no oh no really it's the long simmering couple in the background but there's just zero heat there and i was like i don't feel like you don't understand at all why

people watched this show in the first place uh season two already a bummer for a lot of season one fans season three not promising anything new they canceled um the racist baby animation which i was really looking forward to there's like i'm sorry you said racist baby animation uh if he's watching the confirmation trials for the last supreme court justice you may have seen a book called racist baby which talks to children about like, what is racism? What does that look like? And how does it manifest in children?

They were going to make an animated, I'm not sure if it was a movie or a series. Oh, the Ibram Kendi thing, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and they tossed that right out the window. So all of their progressive projects that i think people were sort of staying around for it would be very nice new project just got canceled i know

the obamas were left spotify recently i think they're still at netflix i don't know what is they are coming up with their projects or not they have a new uh show with adam conover that's coming out that's actually that does look good actually adam's gonna come on uh i think tomorrow or the next day to talk about it but yeah i mean but i think it's like anything right they have there are certain deals where clearly they can make good things and then other things like you're saying there's such a utter lack of courage to experiment because when you have these things where it's like well our fucking shareholder value just tanked because that fucking show sucked it's like well yeah that's a really odd place to try and come up with you know good content when those are the forces at work anyway

it is what it is but you know what john marco thank you so much for joining us today it was an absolute pleasure to have you on where Where can people find you and follow you and see you and experience your comedy? Yeah, I'm everywhere at JohnMarcoCerese. That's my name. It's with a G, JohnMarcoCerese. I got a podcast called The Downside. Check it out wherever you have podcasts.

Just watch it on YouTube. And otherwise, I'm just, I'm touring around the country. So just touring around looking for the next variant. So find me online and tickets and emails and text list, all that stuff is on my Instagram and TikTok profile. Cool. And is there a tweet or any other social media posting that gave you a tickle that you want to share with us? Yeah, I was really tickled yesterday. Seth Green. That's a great name. Seth to share with us? Yeah, I was really tickled yesterday. Seth Green, that's his name.

Seth, you saw this? Oh, yeah. Seth Green, he got phished, which look, I almost got phished recently. I will say I'm 33. I used to judge people that like fell for phishing schemes as it's like, oh, you dumbass. You clicked on an email and gave your password,

but it almost happened to me. I knew not to give my password, but I get it now. And so Seth Green bought three NFTs, two, three of them are apes. One of them is a doodle. And he basically was like, I got phished. It got stolen. Please don't buy these stolen.

He said to the internet, this is like going to the middle of time square having your wallet stolen and saying hey everyone hey vendors food vendors don't take any money for a second uh because uh someone took my wallet so it could be my money so if you could just yeah check the money so he said listen if you see these for sale please don't buy them let's talk let's work it out yeah i saw him tag somebody too uh yeah because he said one of them had been purchased because you can't track the purchase so he said hey hey so and so it looks like you bought my ape so i don't know you're gonna give it back to me for free i don't know

what discussion i'm seth green i'll put you in a movie i don't know i'm seth green and i don't realize that i'm buying neo-Nazi artworks. Yes. Okay, go off. You play with NFTs. Here's the thing. It's people thinking that cryptocurrency or NFTs is somehow like safe from all the problems money has inherently. And then it's like, no, it's now it's intangible.

It's on the Internet. There's so many problems still. So you thought it was smart. And now you think you're going to get it back. Are you out of your mind? It's like, well, yeah. And I think just like the most basic problems, right? It's like, it's the new money. Oh, really?

How much is it worth today? This much? Okay, will that be the same tomorrow? No. It could be way lower or a lot higher. Okay, it sounds pretty volatile. That's kind of different than real money. But okay, go on. And oh, you thought it was a community. You thought you had a community.

Well, guess what? Your apes were stolen and you're never getting them back. Your apes are stolen and you have been grifted, which is, I think the really sad part is because some, like we talked about this yesterday, just the amount of people who were desperate to try and make a lot of money. And that was basically weaponized against them. And now a lot of people are in a very precarious situation. So that if someone's giving you money fast, maybe sit and go, maybe something's up here. Maybe I'm getting conned. I don't know.

Or this guy who I follow on Instagram, he seems to be cruising around in jets that don't look rented in luxury cars that don't look rented in a house that doesn't look rented even though it has no pictures on the wall in a private jet that's really just a toilet seat he's angled so it's facing the sky and it looks like it's you know like a porthole window right right right so i think this is fun because you know seth green is fine he will be fine he's not devastated unlike the many people who are so i just you gotta laugh when the really rich guy loses a little bit of money unless he fucked up all his thing unless he fucked up all his buffy checks you hope not sure sure now uh joelle yo thank you so much for helping me today for talking today participating coming. Where can people find you and follow you? And what's a fun tweet or social media post? Yes.

Hi, guys. I'm Joelle Monique. You can find me all over the internet at Joelle Monique. It's J-O-E-L-L-E-M-O-N-I-Q-U-E. Please, please, please check out my new show. It's called Comic-Con Metapod. I won't tell you who our guests are this week. Tune in to find out.

Super great episode just went up yesterday. So hopefully you guys enjoy that. Tune in to find out. Super great episode just went up yesterday. So hopefully you guys enjoy that. It's a super fun conversation. I have some tweets here. They're pretty good. One is from KirkWrites79. He says,

Netflix laid off 150 staffers in new round of layoffs, according to The Hollywood Reporter. Just to say, Ted Sandro, that's the CEO over at Netflix and head of head of content earned 38.2 million dollars last year comprising of 20 million in salary and 17.1 million in stock so why all these people had to lose their jobs who knows uh it just happened also brandy did respond to jack harlow via tweet she said i will murk this dude in rap at 43 on his own beats and then sing his ass to sleep because you don't fuck with brandy oh

you said you're gonna murk wow okay brandy norwood we see you wow okay where's where's jack Wow. Okay. Where's Jack Harlow from? I want to say down south. Hold on. Hold on. I know this. Jack Harlow. Louisville. Yep. Louisville, Kentucky. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because I know Brandy wasn't born in California, but I know she represents California. She do. She do. I think she was born in Macomb, Mississippi. She went to Conn in Macomb, Mississippi. Okay. She went to Macomb, Mississippi. Eat to the, moat to the, eat to the. Let's see some tweets that I like.

Yes, please. Boy, these are some good ones. First one is from Ira at underscore why so serious zero tweeted, the air in the mornings of field trips used to hit different. And that was a fucking twitter time machine i like a tweet that just with one sentence i'm like it's there what you're right because i was outside and those buses were there and you were on bus exhaust and shit and you're like normally i'm in a classroom at this time but we're not it's like fucking 9 30 got sack lunch and i'm ready to go.

I'm about to eat a peanut butter and jelly sandwich that I did not want, but fine. And we're going to go see some weird racist version of Huck Finn at a local community theater. Yeah, it happened. Happened to me as a kid. But it is what it is. And then also Vinnie Thomas at Vin underscore A-A-Y-Y tweeted, It's 2023. Madison Cawthorn is watching the orgy through a window.

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