The Daily Zeitgeist - COVID Party Panic, Ghislaine In The Membrane 7.6.20

Episode Date: July 6, 2020

In episode 665, Jack and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined by comedian Teresa Lee to discuss the arrest of Ghislaine Maxwell, Covid-19 parties, the movie Love and the television show Dark on Netflix, and more!FOOTNOTES: Jeffrey Epstein confidant charged Photos of Ghislaine Maxwell at In-N-Out Burger might have been staged with her lawyer's help Alabama students throwing 'COVID parties' to see who gets infected: Officials 'Love' on Netflix: What The Cast and Crew Have Said About Filming Graphic Sex Scenes WATCH: Sa-Roc - Forever (Official Video) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's great to have you back. I am alive and here, and that is all I can wish for. How is Wooshosh he's good uh yeah he's uh he's he's hiding right now he's been a little grumpy lately i feel like when we opened i i didn't really go out or anything but i did more i did take him to more parks just to like romp and now he's been quarantined again and i think he knows he's upset he's mad at garcetti yeah cursing garcetti out i mean he's been quarantined again. And I think he knows he's upset. He's mad at Garcetti. Yeah. Cursing Garcetti out.

I mean, he's been that way from day one, though, to be fair. Like, it didn't take the quarantine to turn him against Garcetti. All right, Teresa, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we are going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today. We did a Netflix rewatch of two things that I feel like we're going to have the least to say about, maybe. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. Maybe we'll have the most. Who knows? the most who knows uh we're gonna talk about how they got gillane maxwell in the uh is that right did i do that right i get it i think so gillane gislein uh french would be gillane but i feel like in that documentary they call her gillane right gillane yeah gillane who knows yes uh

anyways they got her name said correctly they got her. She doesn't deserve to have her name said correctly. They got her in the French province of New Hampshire, the most exotic locale on the globe. That was at the end of last week. We're recording this a little early, kind of very early. So we're assuming, and this might not be a safe assumption that she's still uh that she survived the holiday weekend uh because we know how the

rich and powerful do in this country of ours um and she does seem to know where the bodies are buried but uh we're gonna talk about that we're gonna talk about karen watch 2020 it seems like there's just a a national reckoning happening and so we're gonna talk about that why those videos are are going viral all at the same time we're gonna talk about a new study came out that ranks masks, not in terms of how cool they make you look, but in terms of how far your sneeze can shoot through them.

So we'll talk about that. It's a big difference, unfortunately. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to ask the question, are people really having covet 19 parties and then we'll talk about dark uh the german tv show that i watched and have have watched before uh and we're going to talk about love the european week on the rewatch. Yeah. Yeah. Love is a French, or is he French? No, he's Argentinian, right? Asparno.

Yeah, I feel like he's not French, but this movie takes place in France. He works in France. Yeah, his sensibility is so French. You feel the French. There's a French movie called Amour, Yeah, his sensibility is so French. You feel the French. There's a French movie called Amour, which means love, but it's by Haneke, who is a German director,

but it's spoken in French. My head is spinning over here. So much France. Anyways, love is a porno that is like two hours long. Really expensive porno. Yeah, yeah. And true to porno, the story doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

But it's like supposed to not make sense? I don't know. We'll talk about it. Anyways, first, Teresa, we like to ask ask our guest what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are where you are what's going on with you um so i searched are there bots on linkedin which is actually very telling because i've been going down a spiral of, well, unraveling a mystery, but also unraveling myself about bots. There's just like, you know, loosely the way that Trump has been using bots.

Or I don't want to say Trump, the radical right has been using bots to influence voters, but also just got me down. Just, I don't know. It really unraveled a lot more. voters, but also just got me down. Just I don't know. It really unraveled a lot more. So now I've been looking at other social media sites and how bots data mine and how there are the answer. The short answer is yes. There are bots that will reach out to you to get your information on LinkedIn and collect

data. Yeah, pretty much everywhere on the Internet. If anything seems weird, I would just say the old adage of don't take candy from a man in a van. We should start telling people just... That should apply to the internet. If someone's offering you something and you don't know who they are or what their goal is,

and it seems too good to be true, this isn't just like Ray-Bans. Sometimes they have a whole job description, but something's just a little off. So yeah, the bots are out there. I've been taken in so many times by the promise of ray bands though jack's always hitting the group saying he just found a cool opportunity on linkedin so like what do the bots offer on linkedin can you like talk speak to them like jobs yeah sometimes so that's really like i was searching that this morning but the whole thing about bots Can you like talk, speak to that? Like jobs? Yeah, sometimes.

So that's really like, I was searching that this morning, but the whole thing about bots has been an ongoing project. So I haven't researched enough into the way they do it on LinkedIn, but a couple articles do come up. So yeah, they're looking for data. So it could be anything. It depends on who's behind it.

I mean, it could be that they want to collect resumes so resumes so that they can use these are all like data mining operations right no i mean maybe like i don't know but like my so this is what i tell people who fuck with bots because sometimes people think it's funny to text back with a bot but you're actually helping them learn how to speak like a human so when when you respond to these messages, they get better at sounding human and they also get better at just imitating us, basically. I mean, these aren't sentient bots. There's a person behind it, but you can kind of tell what they're after if they're really pushing for you to send a resume, but they don't tell you what the job is. know any type of red flag like that uh if someone just kind of pushing too hard for one thing that tends to be a red flag yeah yeah the um we were

just talking about we were just made aware of the continuing existence of ashley madison uh and that's one of my favorite uh favorite stories is that like when they did that uh one of my favorite stories is that when they did that dump of, or somebody hacked Ashley Madison and found that it was 98% men and then just millions and millions of bots. Oh, God. Just these lonely, depressed men just interacting with robots. So I guess in theory, all those horny men were helping those bots pass the Turing test. Yeah, exactly.

Getting them inching closer. It's almost sadder to realize some of those men were still rejecting the bots. It's a little sadder to realize some of those men were still rejecting the bots. Like even a fake robot created for the purpose of satisfying these sad men still wasn't enough. I mean, it's like time to look inside your heart, mister. Like these bots can't satisfy you. Nothing will. It's just them talking to a mirror, just like a digital reflection of what they're putting out. I don't like this.

No, it's not going to do. It'd be great if the bot was rejecting them. They're like, sorry, this just, you don't cut it. What is something you think is underrated, Teresa? I think Vaclav Havel is underrated. I've been screaming about him for a while, but I think Vaclav Havel is underrated. I've been screaming about him for a while, but I think that we don't study enough about success stories of, you know, human rights and democracy in foreign countries. And I think for a reason, you know, patriotism and propaganda. But I mean, most people kind of know about him through his peace efforts. But I first learned about him through studying screenwriting at NYU

because we read one of his plays. So he was a playwright in the Czech Republic. Well, he actually created the Czech Republic, but he was there during the communist USSR time and he used his plays to sort of, you know, kind of like the way comedians do, just push his ideas out. But it got so popular that he became a dissident

and his plays were banned and then he started um distributing his like they're like one act plays a lot of them so they're short he distributed them via like the just people and people would put them on in their living rooms to spread the ideas and these weren't ideas like propaganda it was just like free thought like he really pushed the idea of like critical thinking and free thought against the communist regime. And he, um,

ended up leading a peaceful protest. Well, you know, people still got hurt, but overall it's like a success story because it was the most gentle revolution. I think it was like 89 in, um,

Czechoslovakia where one day they did a general strike with 75% of the country doing the general strike. And it worked because, you know, everybody thinks with money. So the communists let them have fairy elections. He established the Czech Republic, became the president, and then went on to continue fighting for human rights and democracy and won a peace prize. And it all started because he was a playwright. Yeah yeah so and we just don't i feel like we think of um a lot of those eastern european countries as like socialists in america where we're almost pushed against them but he literally defeated communism um but yeah to american standards i would say they probably fall on the socialist spectrum yeah i think that's why we don't study that in our schools.

That's fascinating. That is, first of all, best underrated in such a long time. Yeah. Not to shit talk anybody else's underrated. No, but that's amazing. And that's such, so interesting. Like you mentioned comedians in the United States. I feel like the thing that most comedians do with their success

is just become Republicans, like start trying to like protect their wealth. And that, yeah, that's so, it's almost impossible to imagine. Yeah, totally. We all aspire to become Republican. I was like, Teresa and I are actually running together. Has there been an example of an artist in the United States

who's done something that politically relevant and successful? Because isn't there another like right yeah the closest we get oh no we have the dystopian version where yeah we got the dystopian version well i think the difference for him was he he didn't um combine the forms like he was still a playwright and in his plays they weren't i mean i guess depending on what side you're on the communists could say it's propaganda but they just felt like you know entrance had intrinsic artistic value as plays that explored all points of views and you could you know you could watch it and decide your own you could decide you like

communism after watching it like his goal wasn't to uh change your point of view his goal was for freedom of expression so then when he became a politician he was doing that job so i like that he wasn't like and now i'll just use this to sell my plays but if people are curious i did buy his um because we read a one act called protests in school that i really liked so i ended up buying the full collection and I have that. It's only 15 pages. I have it scanned. So if anyone wants to DM me, I'll email you the PDF. I don't want to post it because it is still like, you know, copyrights, but this is educational. So I'll send it to you if you email me. But yeah, it kind of speaks to the whole, like at the beginning of these recent protests where people were arguing within the left about

what to do to be right. Like, you know, when people posted the black squares and then they started yelling at each other. So his, that play sort of speaks to, it's like two people talking, but they're both anti-communists, but they kind of get into this nuance of like, well, I'm doing this because I have wealth and I can't totally show my cards, but don't worry, I'm on the right side. Like there's a lot of that sort of thing. Oh my God. That sounds V relevant.

And it's funny. He's a funny guy. Zelinsky is the guy I was thinking of in the modern sense. It was like an actual like ukraine comedian who uh became like the head of state uh who we all now know about because he played a president right right yeah exactly and i don't i don't think he's like super progressive necessarily um like it's not like he was their finest artist

who people were going to study in universities anyways and became their leader. But still, like, I don't know. There's something about American culture that up to this point in our history has not allowed like that crossover from like progressive, thoughtful,

artistically valid artists over to the political sphere. It's just been Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ronald Reagan and Charlton Heston. I think it might be because we put so much emphasis on monetary success in art. To become successful, you have to make a lot of money. And that usually dilutes the art. Not always, okay. I know it's not always true, but often it dilutes the artistic value.

So by the time you get to that point, you do dilute the message a bit. Whereas, and I'm not a communist, I'm an American, whatever you guys want to say is fine, but I like money too. But I also feel like when you get to that level, if your only goal is money,

then it's going to be less about spreading ideas and more about just keeping your wealth and your business because at that point, people depend on you. So it's not like selfish to keep the business going

if you're paying people's rent. You sound like a communist but okay uh upton and claire yeah cynthia nixon would be like a recent example of someone who is like attempted to do that but i guess yeah there's far less left-leaning examples that are successful right and upton and claire tried it in the early 20th century. The actors aren't writers. They're stupid. Yeah.

Well, they're not. Their whole goal is to take on any other character but themselves. And then we like erase writers. So I feel like in Europe

or at least back in the, you know, philosophical enlightenment days, it was a lot more reading and focus on ideas. And now it's all about appearances. So, yeah,

I mean, Cynthia Nixon, I don't know her policies enough i remember when she was running but she's famous from an acting role so it's we don't know you know how she really feels as a person until she comes out and says it right yeah that is interesting though that that that is what our politicians are is essentially actors um it's deep man just fucking nailed him bro uh that's why i'm unsuccessful in hollywood uh what is something you think is overrated theresa i think gosh this was really hard because i feel like my brain's been on someone on uh troy walker said that i sound like i'm on shrooms all the time and I think that's a very good way to describe how I've been been in quarantine it's just a lot of core brain but I'll just yeah for the for the uh to limit my time here I'll just say I think thinking about the world in binary is overrated I mean I'm not just saying

that as an advocate for the LGBTQ community, but just the way we argue with each other. I think when you're a child, you have to see things binary because it's the best way to learn. It's you versus the world for survival. But as adults, we've kind of forgot that we just because people don't agree with me, that doesn't mean they're all on another side. Like there's shades of that um and i guess an example of that would be like the uh the way that the bots have been using um the abortion debate to get people radicalized because they use fake information where they say uh the leftists want to kill babies but then you're pushing to this corner where you're like well if i don't want to kill babies i have to vote

everything that's on the right and you forget that it's not just A and B. There's other options like changing your platform to include the other things you want and then keeping the abortion if that's what you care about or talking to the right side and saying, hey, why do you want to kill babies? Which isn't true. And then you find out, oh, hey, that's a lot. Like there's all these other options that we forget because we're cornered into thinking the world is binary so if you don't agree with me i'm a your b versus like oh wait there's like a whole alphabet of options that might include something i also like yeah does that make sense do i sound like that makes so much sense deep as hell this morning yeah

damn are you on mushrooms that's deep i hope i don't know i think my brain has just been uh when i don't get stimulated from you know being outdoors and on stage i uh this is i sit with thoughts and there's a lot of thoughts truly that's good much you should do that more often we're all learning a lot right now um great also i've seen you on mushrooms and it's not this yes it's different yeah it's just as much different the mushroom tea uh and finally what is a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false um i think a myth well since we're going into well this is going on monday so we'll have just passed fourth of july but i feel like i've been very conflicted about celebrating america's birthday because um you know right

now there's so many injustices but i think this might be controversial or unpopular, but a myth is that MAGA or racist people are America because I think they're appropriating American culture. I mean, they love to appropriate and they're appropriating American culture. America was built by immigrants, built on fighting oppression. I am American. I'm a U.S. citizen. And most of the people I spend time around and, you know, like and get to know are either Americans or people who also share those values. So to me, that's what America is. So I don't feel like I need to fight against their status quo. Like they should be fighting against our status quo. And that's why I feel like conflicted, because there's a lot of push to want to be mourning over July 4th and wear black. And I totally understand that sentiment. But then it makes it feel

like I don't know where else to go. I like this country for the values I like. And I don't like what they're pushing, but I don't believe that that's what it is. To me, I almost want to show up like decked head to toe in American flags. Just like, you know, when you show up to a birthday party of a popular girl and you're wearing the same thing, like that's how I want them to feel. I want to like if all the liberals change their profile photos to American flags, it would confuse the MAGA people so much because they love to say that we're not American. But we're like, we're American and we're protesting because this is american so i'm gonna kneel in my jumpsuit right stars and

stripes yeah yeah suck on that uh and i could be like you guys can change you guys make a new flag why don't you guys go make a flag you're not the norm we're the norm yeah for people who are listening and can't see, we are recording this before 4th of July. Teresa is wearing an Uncle Sam top hat and has sparklers in both hands and a full American flag jumpsuit. We're railing against essentialism this morning.

I like it. I know, but that's such a good point that we just kind of let them have that and turned that into the thing, like patriotism being the thing that basic people are into and racist people and white supremacists. There's a lot of white supremacy in US.s history there's also a lot of

you know really amazing people fighting against white supremacy um yeah that's the thing is if you look at the writings on the wall because i agree we shouldn't erase history and we shouldn't have a you know a fluffy disney version of it i think we need to face and reckon with our past but generally when abusers and manipulators try to change your reality, they're putting a lot of money and effort into changing it because they have to hide the truth. So the writings on the wall show like who's spending them like the Koch brothers, they're spending so much money. And even and they're kind of successful doing it. But even with all the money and time they've thrown at it,

there is still not a sure thing. That's why they're so mad. It's hard to hide the truth. And so the writings on the wall show, if you're not sure what to believe, whoever's spending the most effort to cover the truth is probably not thinking about your interests. And when I think about what's American, people trying to change the history of America or change the future, like racists trying to erase culture and erase identities. That's actually going against the trend of America. They're actually putting effort to change it. So to me, I'd say like you're trying to you're trying to fuck America up. You're not trying to save America.

Right. And going against like the natural inclination of America, I think, broadly. Yeah, I think my plan for 4th of July as of now is I'm going to make a hot dog at my house and I'm going to call my racist relatives and have a... There's more than one way to do it. Yeah. and I'm going to call my racist relatives and have a discussion. There's more than one way to do it. I'm still going to have a hot dog, and it's going to taste like shit, and then I'm going to have a discussion.

Nice. I think that's a great plan. That's the most American thing you can do is try to engage in debate with people while eating food that is slowly poisoning you to death. I want to be having an intellectual discussion while actively removing years from my own life. Isn't it weird that hot dogs are American and white people love to make fun of Asian food as being gross.

And then also white people make fun of Asian people for eating dogs in certain areas. But we literally, the most American food is called a hot dog and it's full of intestines. Isn't that so weird? I'd never thought about that until just now, but it's literally the most nasty parts of meat. And then they love to make fun of like different other cultures foods that aren't actually that gross but just different of like an intestine that all literally call it hot dog and that's the insult they use well the very racist ones like and we asian people eat dogs we eat h puppies and we like they it's almost leading me to believe that like there's the whole taboo like the whole taboo around eating dogs is like because

americans desperately want to eat dogs and they're just like it's like the guys like uh you legalize gay marriage that means i have can marry my dog what do you it's like the guy who's like, if you legalize gay marriage, that means I can marry my dog? It's like, you want to marry your dog. You clearly want to marry your dog. I'm telling myself. So many dog-based foods. If anyone listening hasn't seen the How It's Made episode

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And we're back. And as of this recording jelaine maxwell is in fbi custody some people on twitter are saying you know start the start the death clock on her which is exactly what we said when epstein was arrested we were like wait wait till they kill him, and then he died. Right, yeah. So it wasn't a joke. So I don't know what to, like, if she dies under mysterious circumstances, it's just like so,

it's not really a question of like whether a bunch of rich people want her dead it's like how mask off is are they and the government willing to be how long will they wait before like doing anything because it's like it is it was like always a matter of putting her in a position where she has nothing to lose right but to, I don't know. I feel like it's so depressing. I feel like she's for sure going to die under mysterious circumstances.

It's just a matter of whether they're going to wait. If they're going to be like, oh, I guess the Epstein murder was a little mask off, but maybe this one will wait a bit. We'll see. Yeah. I also wonder if it's like the people who are dumping weird

news during the pandemic because they know people won't be paying as much attention so they're like hurry up and grab her so we can kill her while people are paying attention to the national uprising and election and um pandemic And all that stuff. Yeah. All very cynical. I mean, she has so much time to just prepare. I don't want to be a cynic, but I'm like, even if she didn't, I don't know.

I feel like she had time to hide the evidence or make her deals and all that. And it's like, I don't. She should have a dead hand switch like where if she dies all of a sudden all the tapes like show up in the new york times inbox like the next day uh would be actually not the new york times in uh the daily zeitgeist inbox i don't trust the new york times so let's just they caught her in new hampshire first weird thing is that she was still that was like the very first rumor when uh epstein died was that she was or even when he

was first arrested people were like she's in new hampshire with her boyfriend and then uh i feel like the vibe at that time was like there's no way she wouldn't be in new hampshire and i remember like following it and like some media organization like doorstepped him basically and was like uh yeah is she here and he was like jizz lane what that's i've never heard of a name who's that uh she's long gone where uh where they're where they show up at what's his name paul walter hauser's house and he's like tony or like tony harding i don't i don't know what tony harding like sir you're her bodyguard but they do epstein was doing that in his deposition uh i watched the doc on netflix and

there's they ask him about people he clearly knows and And he's like, oh, what was the name? Say it again. Yeah. Yeah. So it's so flagrant. I'm also seeing a lot of people cover the photograph of her at In-N-Out Burger as though that was a real photograph. But didn't the Internet prove that that was like fake because the signs in the background. that that was fake because the signs in the background. Oh, I didn't know where that had landed.

So there were these two photographs of her eating outside of an In-N-Out burger where it seemed like she was posing for the photographs or totally at ease with being photographed. And she was reading a book about CIA operatives who were secretly murdered. so I don't,

I thought, I thought we had proven that it wasn't an actual photograph because the billboards in the background were of good boys or that, that movie about kids. Yes. It's that. Yeah. I think that it was heavily speculated

that those were photoshopped because the Jacob Tremblay poster didn't match up. I mean, while the Tremblay managed to get his way into this story, what won't he do for press?

He touches everything. The Tremblay. Big Tremblay. for press yeah he touches everything but the tremble a big tremble yeah um yeah i guess i i'm seeing that that that is um what it was i i've only seen it like speculated but it seems like based on that argument you could or you could pretty clearly say that it was photoshopped it's also weird like some of the articles where they're talking about this um news they all call her like one-time girlfriend of jeffrey epstein like i don't know if that's a like a publicist thing to try to just like make her feel like she's less i mean she like lived with him right and she was brought up multiple times by these survivors so it's so weird that they've really harped on describing her as one-time girlfriend right Ghislaine Max or Jeffrey Epstein.

It's such a bizarre way to call someone one-time girlfriend. It's like, I was only his girlfriend one time, okay? One time that lasted decades, but it was one time. Yeah, the details from the victims are, she was involved in

literally every way in truly horrifying ways. And all of the victims, like one of their first, you know, questions after Epstein died was like, well, let's get her too. Because she's still out there. And she was, you know, super complicit in every. The organizer of everything yeah yeah i worry about i'm in because i feel like the way that this story has been covered has gotten so i mean it's so gigantic and it's such a part of like pop culture at this point too where the point was to the point where people like make jokes it, that can be pretty funny. But it's such a huge part of pop culture now

that I always worry about, there are so many victims of these people and it's over and over and over. They have to relive stuff, whether it's for a documentary, whether it's in court, or whether it's just like seeing this like wild goose chase and speculation of like um dying by suicide or dying by murder and just it's frustrating i feel

like because everyone's so excited that she has been like gotten and she is going to be taken into questioning like the important thing is that she has the information that could actually provide a lot of victims with justice. And I have a very cynical view of whether that is actually likely to happen or not. But yeah, I don't know. The way this story has been covered, because it's been being covered for so long.

It's very triggering for survivors. They're not considering the point of view of the people involved, I don't know. The way this story has been covered, because it's been being covered for so long. It's very triggering for survivors. They're not considering the point of view of the people involved, I think. Yeah, because I think it just gets so, like it gets so gigantic and blown out of proportion and everyone has a take on it and everyone has a joke about it. And then it's like,

it feels like sometimes the objective of the investigation is lost in the excitement of the coverage. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I feel like if she goes she's got to make a deal. That's probably how she's going to

operate. But I could see her trying to make a narrative where she was also a victim. But I feel like the best way to get her just without her this operate like she's she was crucial to this operation whereas some of the other women who recruited um and then continued to recruit could have left and the

operation was still going but without her like i feel like they need a i think they're going to be cornered i just hope the judge is smart enough to discern because they're often principled where they say oh we let this woman off because she was a victim and recruited. Then if Jelaine argues the same thing, but it's different because she was instrumental, like without her, it would have fallen apart from the ground floor. Yeah, like I have like no faith in the American justice system to get this right. They seem to do it zero percent of the time. But it's just it's frustrating i mean and for it's it's been kind of interesting to watch that i guess a lot of people discover what the concept of grooming

is through this story and then also through unfortunately like a lot of like the chrystalia story like heavily features that concept um that i feel like it yeah it's easy for galane to say like oh i didn't oh no not me and it's like no you're a full-grown adult who worked at like organized this operation at every single level i don't know i mean a lot of times it's the pattern too because i've been told like uh when you don't know, because I've been gaslit before and sometimes it does put you in a place where like, I don't know what's real,

but a helpful tip is just to look at patterns. Like if you removed her from the situation, would she continue abusing? Probably, because she seems like that. I mean, I haven't looked into it, but I'm going to gander yes, because Epstein was like that too. But some of these other women,

when they left, they could, you know, if they got the resources could heal and have a better life. So there's like a pattern that persists with abusers that even when they, you know, move on to the next victim, they continue it. So that gets tricky, too, because it's like, how do you prosecute a gaslighting situation? Yeah, I don't know. But you were saying grooming. Can I add one quick thing that I realized is a lot of literature instills this in us as young women. One of my favorite plays is Arcadia,

and it's literally about a tutor. I mean, he's only 22, but he's a tutor who's teaching this girl, Septimus teaching Thomasina, who's I think 16 or very young. And it's like a love story. But the dynamic to begin with is strange because he's her tutor. And through talking and she's witty, he falls in love with her. her and it kind of uh i feel like instilled early on this belief for me that if someone takes interest in my ideas that makes me attractive but men older men will give you attention because they want to sleep with you not because they like your ideas but then you feel like they like me because i'm smart and as you get older you see they just get bored once Once, I feel like it's like, if you have questions, men like you,

but once you have the answers, they're done. And so it really created a very strange dynamic in my mind growing up. Cause I love, I'm very curious. I love to ask questions and I used to ask older, wiser people. And now I just look for the info myself and answer them. I'm harassed a lot less,

but also realize that those people were not interested in my brain um so right there was interesting things to realize caitlin and i have talked about that a lot on like the bechdel cast too where it's like that whole like why there's such a like legacy in movies of like a sexy baby lady who like the main male character gets to like show the world for the first time and it's like a very appealing uh concept of like we i think like the most popular example is like the fifth element where it's like just like a sexy lady hatches and then he has to teach her everything and then they fall in love because she doesn't know anything and it's like

little mermaid splash like yeah yeah like that whole concept is so like i don't know yeah it's so built in and i didn't question it for a long time either yeah because it's it's so embedded and i don't even think they are actively doing this but like at the end of arcadia spoiler i don't know if anyone who hasn't read it by now will but she dies in a fire so then he's like sad and forever can preserve her in his mind as this like dead 16 year old who is so smart but like if she didn't die and she grew up if she became 30 and she had all the answers and started teaching i feel like he'd be like uh moving on to the next 16 year old so i don't know it's not as feminist a play as i had thought when i was reading it

um because it's about a smart girl but, but she's only smart because she died. She's allowed to be. Yeah, we'll allow it. The one thing with the Maxwell story is that we just didn't bring up. No, that was all very interesting and super relevant but uh i am just interested to see like the i think epstein's whole thing was like you know a black male uh ponzi scheme or i have that suspicion it seems like he was taking video of all these powerful men and was not shy in telling the women he was trafficking and presumably Maxwell about the fact that he was doing that. So I do wonder, you know,

if they're able to work the whatever the situation is with her so that they can like kind of expose this broader web of human trafficking and you know some of these powerful people who were on that island or that plane um who kind of got away when uh when epstein uh committed suicide in Um, I challenge one of these men who, um, were, uh, who have blackmail to, cause I'm sure that are all, you know, shaking in their boots by challenge. If any of them really are remorseful to just be like, there's a video of me. And so then they can be like, I confirm. And then obviously they'll go to prison. Hopefully they won't die, but they'll say like, cause I did it. Cause they, if they did did it they still did it they gotta live with it so like if you want to make it right come out and say i did this shit they have it on video but if they come

out i mean that would change this whole thing if one of these men who has is being blackmailed stepped forward and said yes i fucked a kid and it's bad and it but i did it so it's bad so me not saying it's not going to make it go away. But now I want to make things right and take down this girl and everything around it. She's banking on nobody wanting that out because obviously they don't. But they did it. So I think they should come out and make it right. I feel like another way that that could possibly be resolved is there's so many accounts of people who while they did not seemingly like engage in actual human trafficking were like on the plane seemed to know what was

going on even if they were not engaging matt graining literally matt graining in his in the in his nasty feet story like that is still like there's so many people who have peripheral knowledge of this that could confirm because it's like it's still like they're trying to like deny the existence of any of it. They're afraid. They're afraid. Well, and just like assuming that anyone who ever engaged with it at any level is going to be so fearful and embarrassed that they would never admit that it existed. And if I, if anyone at any level were able to confirm like, yes, I knew this was happening.

Um, even if they didn't participate in it like that, that moves things forward, at least in some meaningful way. I mean, not granting it as nasty feet need to come forward. We all knew what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. The media was on to him.

There were rumors everywhere. So those people clearly knew. The idea that... Because there are these supposedly kind of liberal heroes, like Thomas Pinker, who's this respected professor and sociologist type guy, was all over the place in Epstein's life. There's no excuse for him to not do what you guys are talking about and like come forward and be like,

okay, so here's what was actually going on. But like, he's just getting to continue to exist in polite society. Maybe they're afraid their voice won't be loud enough. Here's what you guys do. Start a group chat. Okay.

And everybody released your statements on the same day. Then it's like, you can't squash all the bugs at once. So of all teach your you know teach if you have a if you're the grandkid or kid of one of these powerful people teach them how to make a group chat on signal and then tell them to you know get get the clintons on a group chat and um i mean malcolm gladwell seems seems like he knows how to use uh yeah mal Malcolm Gladwell seems like he knows how to use a... Yeah. Malcolm Gladwell seems like he probably knows how to use a group

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about covet 19 parties i'm sure a lot of you just got done going to a bunch of them over the holiday weekend but so there's this story uh that's breaking nationally that's coming out of Alabama and claiming that college students in, I think, Tuscaloosa were having COVID-19 parties where the object was to spread COVID-19. And they would go out of their way to invite somebody who had tested positive, and then they would put money in a pot, and whoever caught it first would get the money. Where was this reported? It was reported by ABC News, and they've never been wrong about anything.

It just reeks of every one of those like fake local news like media panic things of like rainbow parties the girls are wearing different kinds of uh lipstick or like pill parties where the kids were stealing the pills and just taking pills at random as like a Russian roulette. Like those were all stories that like the entire US mainstream media was like accepted as true for a couple weeks and everybody freaked out about. And then it was like, oh, there's not been a single confirmed example of this. Yeah, it sounds a little. I mean, I don't know that just when I was like looking at the cliff notes of this story this morning, it sounds a little sus to me.

I mean, not that I don't believe that college students could act aggressively against their own interest and the interest of people around them, which we saw at the beginning of COVID with spring break and all that shit. But they didn't go on spring break to catch COVID. Exactly. it like but they didn't go on spring break to catch exactly like that level of it i'm like that is uh is is bumping me with this story i need i need more sources i need it doesn't make sense because if they thought it was a hoax then they wouldn't believe you could get it but if they believed it was real then they wouldn't want it so it's kind of like the logic

breaks down when you try to break it down. I think the theory is that they think it's real. They think they're invincible because they're young and so they want to get it so that they are actually not capable of getting it again. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Something about it sounds fake. I said the logic of it

and then said something completely illogical. There's also this detail that there's a money pot where the first person who catches it gets the money. But how would that possibly work? They're waiting for their test results. It would take days. Yeah, the party's lasting days as they wait there. And also, whoever gets the first test

result back like yeah multiple people would have it for sure then right they would all have it it's my god i yeah i this sounds off to me if it's true horrible hate it i just it doesn't um i don't know yeah there's too many risks with how it that would work and also the intention of it like i don't understand the intention of it i understand like oh i want to go on spring break fuck you i don't understand what's going on in the world i'm just gonna go but the intentionality behind this is confusing there's also like kind of a oh sorry well it's almost like the it feels like russian roulette which is something people do but i to me i think the magnitude of the story is not the way they're making it seem like i don't want to say it's

not happening someone could read it and be like that's a good idea because they're very dumb and do it but that's the kind of person who might already have a you know a death or death wish or the kind of person who seeks that kind of thrill like would play Russian roulette so I believe it could happen I don't believe that this is happening to the extent that they're pushing it out right it always sounds a little deflective where it's like it's clear that young people are not the primary like drivers of virus spread and then you when you see stuff like this it's like no it's actually teenagers that are doing this and it's like i don't think that it is i also don't think

a lot of the things a lot of these fake stories you can debunk them by asking yourself if it would be in any way fun for anybody at that party like the the pill party like why would you go to a party where some of the pills are advil or like something that is going to just give you like gas or something and some of the pills are good drugs instead of just going to a party where all the pills are drugs like why would that be why would that be the thing like a fun thing i've never heard of that but that's so funny that's definitely a story designed to stoke fear in parents who exactly oh my kid would take advil but they'd be tricked by their good their bad friend into taking drugs it's like yeah they wanted to take drugs they just take the drugs like right you don't have

to be tricked into it you either do or you don Yeah. In this case, it doesn't sound fun. There's nothing fun about it because there's no payoff where you're like, ah, it was me who had the COVID-19 the whole time. There's nothing. You could just go play Mafia or something. There's just so much more fun things to do. Yeah. like mafia or something like there's just so much more fun things to do this is yeah this sounds like it sounds like a like a i don't know it sounds like an unfriended movie it sounds like movies written by old people about young people yeah it's not i guess that's what i've said yeah

it sounds like a story that an old person would write about young people to make you afraid of young people oh my gosh like what's that kissing booth one that on netflix that was like written by that story was no that story was written by a 15 year old oh it was okay yeah it was written on wattpad by a 15 year old which is just i guess evidence to the the opposite of like okay you know 15 year old maybe they can't tell their own story on a big screen. Maybe they need some help from an adult. I feel like, okay, the comedy version of this game, this COVID-19 party would be like, join comedy and whoever gets depression first

gets a comedy special. I know. And it's like, but it's also, yeah. Everybody has depression. It's not fun. And for no reason at all, we can't stop doing it. And we all have depression. And you can win like maximum $40.

Like how much are people winning in this? Right. Like two drink tickets and. All right, guys, we have come to the netflix top 10 check-in uh we picked the ninth and tenth uh movies from the netflix top 10 from the end of last week they are love and dark uh these are the fewest notes we've ever had about it. I usually write endlessly when it's a deep movie like Trolls World Tour or The Nut Job.

But this week I watched an entire season of a show and I have like a couple sentences. Really? Jamie, you watched Love and your analysis is boo well i have i have thought yeah that was my my central thesis do you want to talk love first sure uh so okay love is is not the Paul Rust show. It's the Gaspar No movie from 2015. The whole thing is it was released in 3D at the time. It was like a 3D arthouse porno movie.

They do not have it on Netflix in 3D, so maybe there are things I was missing. But it is fun to know that the movie is 3D because you can tell the shots that were 3D so maybe there are things I was missing but it is fun to know that the movie is 3D because you can tell the shots that were 3D because there are at least one scene where there's like a penis coming at you at the screen and you're like well that would have been

something to see in 3D I guess like that would have and I believe it's the director's penis it's actually the director's Gaspar No's penis. Oh my gosh. What a treat. Good for him.

Gaspar, I don't know. I've seen Enter the Void, which a guy who was dating when I first moved to LA made me watch on a second date. And I don't know. It's like Gasparino is like a talented filmmaker. I don't like anything he has to say, but like the movies look cool.

I think like, you know, it's there. I just, it's kind of weird because it's like he's shooting these long sex scenes, a lot of which I did fast forward through because the movie's two and a half hours long and by fast forwarding through sex scenes it's only an hour and a half long nothing happens but it is it takes less time but it's like they are like very well shot like porn pornographic scenes but it's just weird to me that he's like he's filming these sex scenes as if he's like the first person to have ever done it when there's just millions and billions

of hours of of it uh with better plots like the the thing with love is like so for me, it felt very much like a movie made for NYU freshman boys, where it stars a guy who I learned is now married to Zoe Kravitz. Good for him. I know. Shout out to him. So I've seen Zoe Kravitz's husband's dick a lot. So much. So much.

I've wanted it less. So much. So much. I wanted less. But yeah, it's about this guy who is like, also there's some, I mean, they're in Paris. I don't know what the age consent situations are there, but there's definitely some of that where you're like,

I don't love this. But it's just like, it's like an American in Paris who talks like an NYU freshman. Every girl he meets immediately wants to have sex with him. Like where he's standing at that moment. It's so like, he's like a shitty person

and the movie knows he's a shitty person, but they're also like, but isn't he complicated? And you're like, I don't don't know i don't know i don't think that he is i think he might be a little like and he's also like the worst dad isn't there like doesn't he have a terrible father and then also gaspar no is like one of those filmmakers who's really into constantly referencing himself and like inserting himself into his own movies which is like literally literally i mean he's in this movie with as a guy named no uh and then and and then there's the kid's name is gaspar so gaspar noah's obsessed with himself he i don't know i he much like uh ari aster at times i feel like he's a really good filmmaker who's writing i really can't stand for the most part um but like the the main character whose name is

murphy murphy's law everything's going wrong they literally show the sunscreen um wait they say that in the movie it's a freeze frame gosh it's a freeze frame. Oh, gosh. It's a freeze frame. No. And so the movie does all this stuff to distance blame and accountability from the main character when he's horrible and kind of knows it, but not enough to do anything about it, which I guess is, I don't know, I guess you can say that in a movie, but why? I don't know I guess you can say that in a movie but why and then the other

the woman who is very like it's almost like a Christopher Nolan style role for a woman where she like like we were talking about earlier Teresa she dies to teach him a lesson he says one I only watched the first two minutes I told you

guys that but yeah get into it all that's good to know it's i guess like spoilers for everything but nothing really happens it's just like one of those stories where um he's with this woman named electra symbolism what huh like shut up like he's with this woman electra and then he cheats on her all the time and he's like why are you mad about that and then he gets a 17 year old girl pregnant and then oh no they break up he stays with the 17 year old because the 17 year old uh does not want to get an abortion and there's like a whole conversation about how she's pro-life and then they have a kid named gaspar. No. And then he's with her.

And so he's like regretting that he didn't make things right with this woman. He was compulsively cheating on for years. And then you get a call at the beginning saying that she has most likely died by suicide. And then we just get flashbacks to every time that they had sex. And then it results at the end by like, I don't know. It's just like, I don't know. At the end, it's like, and the day they met, he said to her, life is pointless. You might as well kill yourself.

And then she goes, ha ha, I agree. And then three years later, she does it. It's very, it's so, I don i didn't i didn't see much value in it i feel more rendition of it more than i think i would enjoy yeah it's so and it's told all out of order kind of for like the hell of it i didn't really see the point of like the reveal the reveal at the end is so dumb it's like the reveal at the end is he said something stupid to her the day they met and then she didn't learn anything about anything and then just did something even though she knew he was stupid and then at the end they hug in a bathtub it's kind of fun because you can you can imagine like gaspar no just because i have like a one of those alexa things where you can change the

lighting in your room and he's so into like i mean it's like effective but it is also like kind of are you just whispering to an alexa like alexa turn the lights red and then you're like oh now we're feeling something oh um i think i honestly would have liked it better if I could have seen it in 3D but the story was dog shit the sex scenes were really long and it's just like I could have just watched porn? that's my review

I could have just watched porn and had a much better time and saved 2 hours the first scene is like a very explicit sex scene and i was so distracted by i mean i really just wanted to watch a bit because i got i just didn't have time to watch it all but um i was so distracted by how he was like try like he was fingering her but he was like fingering her thigh and i couldn't like i know it's just because it's like that's good they're like faking it so So it's, she probably was, you know,

safe, the actress and all that. But it made me be like, can you just shoot from a different angle? It was so distracting. And that to me is like, maybe that's what he thinks. It was not.

I don't know. But it wasn't faked. Like the whole thing. They actually filmed people. He was like rubbing her thigh. I'm like, that's not where you, I thought wouldn't,

what are you doing there i'm so confused like is this i don't know like all these like has sex and like filmmakers who are like provocateurs in that way are always like i just get a little like is everyone safe here like that was my right yeah i keep thinking i kept thinking that i was like is everyone safe here because he this filmmaker has a reputation for like shooting stuff while he's like high on cocaine like he's like openly admitted this stuff he's like possibly most famous for like shooting a brutal rape scene like he's done a lot of stuff that is like you don't have total faith that everyone is like okay and so it's also kind of like an anxiety experience in that way i was talking i just said that to isaac i was like because gaspar no it this movie

if you just saw it you would be like this movie for sure was written and made by a 19 year old but it's not it's made by a 52 year old man at the time and so i think it's not. It's made by a 52-year-old man at the time. And so I think it's a little bit embarrassing. I don't know. I think he's trying to make a little bit of commentary on the stupidity of youth, but he doesn't know how to write his female characters and doesn't really...

The only consequence that the like protagonist experiences is that like a woman dies which is I just hate that writing choice every single time and he doesn't necessarily seem to miss like or want to make things right so much as

he misses like all his flashbacks are just sex scenes so it's like all he misses is the sex flashbacks are just sex scenes so it's like all he misses is the sex scenes like he doesn't like when i fucked like it's so it's so because like if you went back he'd just do it again because he missed the sex right i watched it with isaac and we were talking about like if you take out if the movie was just shown in a linear fashion because it has this framework of like the day he finds out that she most likely died by suicide. And so that's where the movie starts. And then you have all the flashback all over that.

But I think if it's the story is about a guy who is a terrible father who gets a call saying that his ex-girlfriend, who he used to cheat on, has died by suicide. And then he spends the whole day getting high out of his mind and recalling sex in detail, and then ends his day crying in a bathtub. And so he just spends the whole day at home. He just spends the whole day at home doing drugs's just yeah he spends the whole day at home doing drugs is that's also very narcissistic to be like yes this woman who killed herself who has a life

outside of me who hasn't talked to me probably did it because our sex was so good and that's the only part like it's like it's almost it's like this weird thing of like not all men but a lot of these types of like more narcissistic like like I want to say abusers, men, they tend to think, oh, feeling sorry internally and like really wrestling with my demons is enough for you to forgive me. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. You should still do that. But also, yeah, you still did a bad thing. So you still got a real consequence. It's tough to have it.

I'm sorry that you're struggling internally. That also hard but it's not enough and all these movies are just about like oh can you see how how this has weighed on me uh and it was like unclear it was not clear to me in the movie whether gaspar no was doing this with any level of like self-awareness. That I felt like was, for me, I don't think he was, but I paused the movie and my boyfriend and I had an argument about it. He's like, no, I think he knows. I'm like, I don't think he knows. I don't think he knows.

I think that he, like you were saying to me, so I think that he thinks that presenting the fact that the protagonist felt guilt is kind of enough yeah i think that well let me ask you this would it change because i used to struggle with this and now i decided that wouldn't but when you try if you're a survivor you try to justify like would it change the fact if someone did a bad thing if they were sorry or not to me i used to be like if i know this person realize how much they hurt me that would make me feel less mad or less bad but then i over time you realize wait a minute that's also manipulation

they could have just not done it so them saying sorry making me feel less angry is also a form of it's just like a chance to make it about themselves again of like here's my big sorry performance and you're just like whether it's sincere or not like I just don't want any part of it I mean if he knows because he just seems so endlessly fascinated by

the guy feeling guilty about having cheated on her like that just is but no examination as to like why is he doing it is it because women are hot so like what would the point be if he did realize

how stupid that was like cause there's nothing right maybe I should be having this conversation with Isaac and be like Isaac you're wrong no I mean like he by it was funny cause we had like paused the movie like 15 minutes before it ended to have this argument and then i emerged victorious because i was like i

don't think that gaspar no is recognizing what like i don't think he's examining anything i think he's just showing it and isaac's like well i don't know like we haven't seen the end of blah blah blah and then we watch the end and it's so on the nose because he's named this character murphy because murphy's law something that can go wrong will and which just the name of the character absolves him of any guilt or accountability that he would have for any of his actions because it's like well bad things are just gonna happen but then at the end there's that whole scene where he draws the direct line of like, because Murphy told Electra that like, you know, there's no point in life. That's why all this happened. And you're like, what kind of like narcissistic person thinks that someone would even remember that conversation?

Like, it's just so ridiculous. Remember that conversation. Like, it's just so ridiculous. The kind that builds their entire film career so that they can create a 3D film of their boner fucking the audience. Like, literally fucking the movie theater. Yeah, I guess Parnot has... He's like a talented filmmaker

with some serious narcissistic issues, and I don't care for his work. Cool. Dark is like if Donnie Darko was a German TV show. It's like there's trippy time travel stuff based on a high school education's worth of science

and it's pretty fun for a while and then you sort of get annoyed by how like clever it thinks it is but um like it has it's just very much centered on that like 19 year old boy mentality of uh that you are talking about like season two opens with a Nietzsche quote and it's like not one of the good ones. It's like, if you stare for a long time into the void, the void stares back. That one?

Wow. Yeah, his best. Not even a B-side. People who like that Suicide Squad movie from DC love to quote that. There are some cool twists like for a time travel. Like the things I like about it, twists for a time travel. The things I like about it, it's a time travel movie that does some cool things

with time travel that I hadn't really seen anywhere else, where different characters who are interacting with each other, you find out they're the same person just at different stages of their life, which is really cool. And it's a time travel movie that I guess back to the future sort of did this, but it's got a like small town vibe where you kind of learn the

location and you get an idea of the geography of the town that it all takes place around. Like it, it kind of reminds me of Goonies in that respect. And then at one point in the second season the kids bedroom has a goonies poster on it so it's like yeah okay so you're definitely influenced by you i also found out so anybody who's starting to watch this do not put the english audio on just use subtitles uh the english you can like have the english voiceover and it's so

bad like the the voice acting because it's like first of all it's not like they don't say the same things as the subtitles for some reason but also like so they didn't get like great voice actors for the audio track and then it's also like this really, I don't know if this is how German people talk or if it's just how they wrote this show, but it's all very, I wrote one thing down, we're not free in what we do

because we're not free in what we want. We can't overcome what's deep within us is an actual line that one person says to another person um casual conversation yeah so would you say that that makes you think so deep man yeah man uh i was fucking brains leaking out of my nose over here uh but yeah so don't do that just read the because then when you watch with subtitles like the actors themselves are good it's just like yeah like you you actually believe that they're saying something that they would say when it's actually said in the german so watch it that way it is cool like it, it's worth watching if you still like Donnie Darko,

a.k.a. if you're 18. I was going to say, yeah, it's been many years since I've revisited Donnie Darko. Yeah. And I don't know if I even should at this point. I don't know. That and Usual Suspects are movies that had the biggest drop off

from when I first saw them and I was a teenager to when I watched them more recently and was like, wow, these are not good. Donnie Darko made me think when I was 14. I was like, holy shit. I like in the first opening once again only watched the first two minutes but there's that quote about time

and I was like okay interesting and then it says everything is connected and I just out loud said oh oh shit you're like yeah no oh wow everything is connected is that true? No way.

Wow. Is this the premise of the show? They have like five different metaphors to make that same point throughout. They're like, it's like 20,000 million infinite interconnected wheels that are turning each other. And then they're like, it's like a great tapestry with infinite threads that are all connected to one it's like okay so get it everything's connected okay it is made by like a moody german married couple it is okay the other thing that really uh made me like changed from because i started watching this uh earlier this year because a friend of

mine was like really likes it and then i watched the jamie foxx movie i think it's like up all night or something it's like a action movie it was one of the first movies i did for the Netflix rewatch because it was trending. And that is directed by this couple. Really? It's very dumb. So I was like, oh, so this is like a dumb person's version of a smart movie. And that changed the way I watched the last couple episodes. Interesting.

I am kind of curious. It's still, like, I think it's cool and like the intro uh they do a cool thing it's worth just watching the intro uh sequences like cool looking with like a mirrored video and that's it those are two things that are trending on netflix Teresa, it's been so wonderful having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, enjoy you? I'm online all the time, at Larissa T. I've been posting about bots. I think by the time this comes out,

I'm trying to write up an accessible, easy to understand article about some of this weird shit I'm finding. So I'm gonna, okay, I'm just gonna say, it'll be out by the time you hear this. So find me on Twitter, I'll link to it. Because I think I just sound like I'm a raving lunatic. So I'm gonna find a way to at least simplify

some of this stuff. But there's some really wild shit out there. This is the bot thing? The bot study you're doing? Yeah, the bot thing and just a lot of the weird brainwashing indoctrination that the extreme right is using um and how they're targeting people online so i'll i'll share some examples that makes more sense and i'll and if it's bad you can you know you can yell at me that's fine i deserve it and is there a tweet or some other work of social

media you've been enjoying um yeah i really like this tweet i guess it's a few days old now but from z way who's super funny if you guys don't follow her already but it kind of sums up how i feel about coronavirus she just said surely we can do more to combat the spread of coronavirus than absolutely nothing so i just enjoyed that it made me sad but also laugh Jamie it's been great having you as my guest co-host these past couple days

where can people find you and follow you you can find me on twitter at jamieloftishelp instagram at jamiecrystsuperstar I'm gonna shout out this was this is a screenshot of a tweet that I took that was on a long thread

that I read till three in the morning of people texting their 10-year-old nieces and nephews and how 10-year-olds communicate over text. So here are a few texts from a 10-year-old named Levi to his cousin. My parents cannot pass the vibe check. They made me take out my AirPods. They couldn't pass the vibe check. Fuck.

Wait, that really happened? Yeah, it's a real screenshot from a 10-year-old texting his older cousin. That sounds like me trying to write as a 10-year-old. That's what I would write. My parents couldn't pass the vibe check. They made me take out my AirPods. I like that he repeats they couldn't pass the vibe check. He's shocked.

Although, I guess as a 10-year-old, you are trying to approximate What older cooler people say So maybe that's why it is what I would Try to write 10 year olds are out here doing full on vibe checks That's like One of our listeners When we were

On tour in Chicago Wrote I guess Malort is a vibe It really made me laugh. Um, all right. What are some tweets? Uh, the Drake Gatsby tweeted,

normalize faking your own death and starting a new life as a mysterious, but respected bartender in a quiet coastal new England town, which I think is good advice. Uh, Alison O'Connor tweeted, I miss my friends, but also absolutely do not remember who they are or what they look like. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

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