The Daily Zeitgeist - Crisis Fatigue, Weekend Eye Bleach 6.5.20

Episode Date: June 5, 2020

In episode 645, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Maggie Maye to discuss crisis fatigue, the police reform we really need, what we're watching, and more!FOOTNOTES: All This Chaos Might Be Giving You ‘Crisis Fatigue’ Police “Reforms” You Should Always Oppose Donation Resources WATCH: Alice Coltrane ft. Pharoah Sanders - Journey In Satchidananda Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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One episode at a time. Buckle up and listen to In Our Own World on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust us, it's out of this world. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 136, episode 4 of Der Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top fuck the coke brothers fuck fox news fuck rush limbaugh fuck buck sexton uh it's friday june 5th 2020 what's a buck sexton my name that's that that sounds so much like a hardcore porn star. Yeah. But he's actually a conservative talk radio person on iHeartRadio, it looks like.

Buck Sexton. Buck Sexton. Piece of shit. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Miles Gray, a.k.a. Keep Your Energy Going. Don't let your black tile energy die out, allies. We got a long way to go. I'm going to keep saying that every day.

Because we're, man, we're in the middle of hopefully one of a historical moment in this country. hopefully one of a historical moment in this country. And I think I have always wondered, man, when is my, what's like, when am I going to have to do some shit? You know, when am I going to have to like, when am I going to feel good? I can look back and be like, yo, back then I was doing the right thing. I think that's right now. I'm pretty sure that's right. I'm pretty sure it's been right now for a while, but it's really,

really right now. So, Hey, Hey, punch your ticket to the right side of history, please. You know, and you can be,

and I trust me, I already can see like people fucking 40 years from now. I'd be like, you know, I marched for black lives in 2020. I'd be like, yes, great.

I love it. I hope, uh, i hope you still have that energy up now uh we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious the talented one of our favorite guests here on the daily zeitgeist maggie may yay hey everybody damn look at that you are high that mic looks like it's from the future of the movie wally yeah i got it at south by southwest one year i was in the gift pack and i never thought yeah i never thought it would come in handy and then the world closed so right i feel like a lot of the riot police also look they look like they are a combination of robocop and the humans from wally uh that's been on my mind like that dude who's pointing the uh like hand cannon thing

at the at the two-year-old on his dad's shoulders oh my gosh is straight up a human from wally like barely able to stand upright. Yeah. That is neither here nor there. That's why I love that Ice Cube tweet, where it's just like, yo, if we're out there every day, they have to be out there every day. You know what I mean?

And look at them. I've also seen a lot of photos of the most uncomfortable police officers in their full riot gear just pouring out buckets of sweat because it's all black and plastic and close to their skin

so they're microwaving their bodies. But hey, great. Bacon in more ways than one. Bacon. Whoa! Whoa! Get your Black Fist Afro pics out. Jack O'Brien is in the building.

I love to see it. Oink, oink, am I right? I love to see it. I love to see it. Bringing the seventh grade anti-cop energy. But those have been some of the funniest videos of people who just put the donut on the string with the stick and just walk by and i'm like i don't know why it's still

so satisfying to see i saw this one chick trying to give flowers to a police officer and the officer was a woman and she looked so pissed like she looked like she had just come home and her kids were cutting up or something but i love to see it it's now my cell phone but it's my cell phone background picture now um all right maggie may we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment uh we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we'll talk about if we get to it we will i i think we need to talk about crisis fatigue what's actual police reform like that a lot of ideas are being thrown around but miles yeah you put together a really good breakdown of you know what what's being put out there that's insufficient and what uh what we need to actually keep pushing for. And then you also put together a really good breakdown of like how to have

these conversations and also like how, like where the, the insecurity and the, the fear that, that you're seeing on right wing Twitter that I think is really enlightening. And then if we have time to get to it we'll talk about mattis criticizing trump because there we go he's he's done now he's done folks another another authority figure has criticized him yeah so we the mattis is apparently

the new uh the new robert muller he's that's just like what centrists use to act like they did something it's like yeah i mean but do you see what he said i'm like i don't give a fuck is it because they look like their dads and so like the the johns at crooked media are like well this will do it because you can't say no to your dad they say that because they're they're white bourgeoisie like you know they're from a different world they're operating a different reality and like their their proximity to like that level of power like has i think eroded a bit of their connection to like how what the real substantive changes without using a label like it's too rad like that's radical or like

you know things have to be incremental because i think that's what a lot of the it's too rad like that's radical or like you know things have to be incremental because i think that's what a lot of the things we're seeing and that is a again i'm talking about how white supremacy will always do what it has to do to ensure its existence so rather than when we're saying defund the police because we're all looking at that their thing is like well let's let's ban chokeholds no no no no no no okay there's so many great tweets about this like where you think people say like hey like you don't see uh you know pilots there you can't have the bad apples theory apply to like airline pilots because people will crash and die and you can't say that and like no no the stakes are too high you don't have that with surgeons you don't have you don't have songs that are called fuck the fire department like right

you've seen all i've seen all kinds of very brilliant takes like this on twitter to like really put it together to understand how what the police are and what people's relationship to the police are we need to have a policy that if a co-pilot sees his pilot steering the plane directly into the earth, they need to intervene. They need to pull that plane out of a nosedive. That is going to be the solution, I think. these salute like these problems at where they're at it's like not just oh well you know what solomon giorgio had a tweet that he was basically saying yo if i had a child daycare run by pedophiles and i said but hey don't worry i got rules for them no one's gonna fucking trust their children at my daycare center even if i have a rule because the premise is fucked yeah again that's the thing the premise of policing is fucked so handle that don't handle all these other manifestations of the fucked principle to address the fucking the issue

the issue i'll start ranting again in about five minutes maggie may we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Last thing on my search history was definition of an ally. Okay. I looked up ally, and that should let you know about me that if you come up to me and start telling me problematic stuff and I try to correct you or do anything and you tell me you're an ally, I'm going to look up the definition of ally and throw that into a conversation. don't get argumentative that's not what we're here for

is that coming from a personal experience that you recently i saw her i saw your twitter yeah you did that came from this morning um i i posted something that like if all you want to talk about is the looting then i don't have anything to say to you. Someone jumped in and decided that she needed to tell me as a white woman, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, we do needed to discuss the looting, but not now. This and that. And I was just like, didn't I say like. That's a discussion.

I'm really. She just she wrote a manifesto and I was like, I'm not really about to read long think pieces from white people right now. That's just not where I am. Got up in arms. I'm an ally. I this, I that. Again, my response would just be like,

that's a lot of words to not say white supremacy is a problem. That's it. Like, she did every white trick in the book. It was a, well, if... Maybe you should back down when you know that i'm trying and i was just like okay i see you wrote your whole life story about how you didn't know that racism was a thing and you found out last week and now you're trying to do some stuff and everything like that and now you want me to give you credit for all of your back work even

though you're currently in my in my my face with some bullshit. Like, no, I'm creating more labor for you. Thank you. And, and, and then it turned into, well,

if, if this is how people react, then people aren't going to come back to the table. And I was like, there you go. Someone can't correct you of your problematic behavior. You are not an ally. Did my,

did my microphone pick that up? You are not an ally boom did my did my microphone pick that up drop the ball you are not an ally yeah you have to be able to just you have to be able to hear that and not get defensive that's the thing and we're going to get to that but that's that's such a mind that's the the prevailing mindset that is not allowing a lot of people to see what is happening for what it is. Because like I said, white supremacy will do everything it can to ensure that it stays obscure and it is tricking you. So rather than her basically cutting to the chase and saying, really, what she's saying is, I don't believe white supremacy is an issue. That's what it is.

And then I'm like, okay, great. You've actually made your point. We can deconstruct that because here's the it is. And then I'm like, okay, great. You've actually made your point. We can deconstruct that because here's the receipts. Here's centuries of receipts. Yeah. And then let's go from there. And I think that a lot of white people are, even if they claim not to think white supremacy is an issue

or are realizing white supremacy is an issue but don't want to talk about it in the way you want to talk about it. They have a lifetime of words and justifications built up inside their mind because they've been lying to themselves their entire lives about this to, to ignore this. We've been lying to ourselves the entire time. I need to include myself in that. And as it's becoming more and more evident that, you know, like a thing that we can't miss, I feel like some people are responding with just putting all of those justifications out there, just like vomiting them all forth.

And it's just not the way to go about it and also do that in your own spaces i don't need i don't need your i don't need the receipts of your emotional labor and throughout all this and i appreciate i understand where you're coming from because it's like but i i i'm gonna prove that i going to be better because I'm proving I feel bad about this to you. And you can see the proof that I feel bad. Therefore, you know, I am not bad because I do feel bad. And I want to let this is the proof. Will you examine my proof with me? Can I will you proofread my proof for me so I can show other people how to show and prove? OK, it's it's a lot. It's a lot. And I think and this is what I tell everybody.

It's really the actions man it's the actions that are going to be the biggest thing and even if i don't care if you didn't post a black square or whatever because i'd rather know somebody is going to show up to a march or going to put pressure on their da or their police commission or whatever on behalf of black people that to me that's that's way more than showing me text threads you've had i don't i don't care and to me every black person who's had to go through other people's emotional receipts this week it's very it's it's emotionally it's a lot of emotional labor and it shouldn't be on us i trust you if you're gonna here there's a deal i'll trust you that you say you're gonna

change and then when you don't i'm a fucking i'm gonna shed you from my life that's how it's gonna i don't need you don't have to tell me now because i don't i don't care what you're seeing i will i will determine whether or not i keep you around based on how you're acting and then if not i'll shed you that's all it is and i was saying this a few weeks ago you will shed people in this process because the way we get through this is you have to say, guess what, everybody? I'm not racist. Sorry to everybody in here. I'm not racist.

And if they fucking leave, that's fine because they're you don't. This is what people say. You didn't lose them. They lost you because you are actually a decent human being for you to do that. That is that takes courage. I commend you for being around people where it might not be the most fashionable thing to stand up and say, I think equality is good. That's so wild to say right now, even out loud, to be like, that it's not a fashionable thing for you to stand up in a room and say, I believe equality is a thing and I think we can

change it. Because yeah, it's possible my generation may be able to do something really significant right now it looks like there's something there and trust me when you shed those you will not be alone those people are out of your lives don't worry you will not be alone because there are people out here that care for each other and you would rather be in that community than people who have hate because those people end up alone a lot quicker. You will not be alone. There are people, go anywhere with your heart open. There will always be people that will accept you. So you don't need people like that. Shed them. Maggie, what is something you think is underrated? Sorry, I'm taking those ones over.

Can we let that sermon settle for a minute? I'm just like, I've been on one the whole week you know i've i've had a lot it's a lot because i think a lot of black people too yeah i i've become complacent with white supremacy around me and i think that's that's the shitty thing for me to experience as a black person as a black and east person as an asian whatever i realized too that i have become complacent and i think that's what disgusts me the most about my own that's what energizes me now because i feel it it feels bad it feels bad to think that i was i was in it and i knew i was in it and i just wasn't really able to do

anything about it but i'm feeding so much off of this energy of other people right now that my my outlook is changing rapidly um and i'm just that's why i'm glad to do this and i hope we can just keep it up yeah you have the like you when you uh are on the fight or flight you become more eloquent and that's an amazing thing and i think a lot of people are i think a lot of people are feeding off of you too so uh just to say the obvious but you know that's so important because for such a long time we were gaslit into thinking that like saying something means that we're angry or that we're trying to impugn you know everything like but now people are coming together and being like no no that actually is wrong and pointing out that it is wrong is not any kind of a mark towards anyone like it wrong is wrong like and then we feel so bad

though because we've been knowing this for so long and now we have people being like oh my god i can't believe it's so bad and it's almost mind-, right, for black people because the shit has been in front of y'all the whole time. A hundred percent. You know, and then and now people go, you know, I just feel so that's so broken up about it. Oh, my God. In a way, it's it's fucks our heads up because it's like, you didn't know. I'd rather be like, it's a problem. I'm gonna do something now.

But you know what? didn't know i'd rather be like it's a problem i'm gonna do something now but you know what that just shows you how wild this white supremacy shit is that some people are really are and that's the people i know are waking up to because they are really like whoa whoa what the fuck and that's great that you're realizing that but then there's also a lot of frustration in it's doubly painful you know because then as black people we have to continue to be like fuck bro we've oh man we've been saying this we've been saying this we've been saying this we've been screaming this but you know what fine that's the that's our burden though too to be able to have to have the wherewithal to be able to pick each other up and and take up for our community

and be able to be like okay fine it didn't you didn't, you didn't get it a hundred years ago. You didn't get it 50 years ago. You didn't get it 20 years ago, 10 years ago. And we'll probably be saying, I hope to God we're saying something different 20 years from now. But I think the reason why, especially a lot of young people, young black people feel very motivated right now too,

is because I think we've had to look at defeated the defeated looks on our parents and grandparents faces and we feel like holy shit man we have enough smarts right now to do something and we actually know how this shit works a lot better than our parents did and our grandparents did and we've been luckily off their backs have been able to educate ourselves and arm ourselves with the proper tools and get into the right spaces to create allies to do something different now so i feel that's what's what's there and that's what i hope is there that's why i think everybody has to hop on this fucking journey right now punch your ticket for the fucking right side right now testify five what uh what is something you think is underrated maggie underrated apologizing i don't think that people really understand the power of a simple apology like an apology

has stopped me in my tracks an apology will turn like yeah i think that a lot of people are they don't realize the importance of their own apology and the like i guess the scope like don't apologize to me about something that you don't have anything to do with and that you have no power to change and that you're not going to change apologize to me for your actions and that's that's that like i wouldn't have even brought up anything about that fake ally had she just apologized the first time around she wouldn't even be put on blast on a podcast at all like it would have been over like people. And that,

that kind of feeds into a little something more than I wanted to say, based on what miles was saying, like you have to be okay with being wrong. Being wrong is not a problem. Being wrong, being human airing. That's human apologizing removes a multitude of sense. Yeah.

And that's what wisdom is you know a wise person sits on a stack of discarded ideas and ideologies that they've deemed useless to them and the ignorant cling to their singular one you know what i mean you should be able to look back and all that shit you did and go yikesikes, what the fuck was I thinking? That's what a wise person sounds like. They go, that was fucking dumb. God damn. Glad I'm past that. I'm glad I'm on some more empathetic shit.

I'm glad I see people differently. I'm glad I see the world differently. And that's why you see the difference right now. There are people who are willing to shed those things, and there are people who are not willing to shed those ideologies and those thinking. And that's what these are not willing to shed those ideologies and those thinking. And that's what these people right now who are like, I don't understand what the problem is.

They're eluding. Cause you're not willing to give up this other thing where you can acknowledge white supremacy. You're clinging to that one, but you don't even realize you're clinging to that. You're clinging to your ego's sense of righteousness to try and, you know, absolve yourself from them.

That's not even what we're talking about right now because you're you're you're completely looking at the game differently drew breezes talking about like observing white supremacists on uh twitter drew breezes apology which you know too little too late like this is one of those things as jordan peele said we needed you to get right the first time but the apology really seemed to infuriate uh his a lot of his white followers they were like you have nothing to apologize for you what are you apologizing for there's nothing to apologize for here um yeah there's something very powerful about a an apology that uh because it's inverting the racial dynamic. It's white supremacy.

White people should not apologize to black people. Done, done. Every time, you can boil all these responses down to white supremacy. The idea that Drew... The reason they are upset is because a white man is apologizing to a black person for their white supremacy. Because if he has to do it, then do they yeah right it's it's just like and but it's so it's that's what the wildest thing is they showed a side by side of laura ingram where she was like

lebron james just needs to dribble the ball and when he has a point about politics and then like and drew breeze yesterday or the day before saying oh well you know he's a human too you know he's got feel he's got opinions on stuff so it's just like come on yeah come on um what is something maggie you think is overrated overrated is leaving the house i've been living my best life i I'm quarantined to the teeth. I have an overactive immune system, so I'm immunosuppressed on those medicines. So I've been staying in probably more than most. But I have everything.

Who needs to leave the house? I went to an online emo dance party last night, and it was tight. Everyone delivers everything to my house, and that's also tight. I also don't ever have to wear pants. I'm not wearing pants now, and y'all can't tell shit. I don't have to drive. I don't have to go anywhere. I don't have to gas up my car.

I just get to sit down. If I get depressed, I'm already at home. I'm already sitting down. Yeah. I'm already in bed, so. Right. I'm already in bed so right yeah i'm already in bed yeah this quarantine can last as long as it needs to last i'm fine are you normally like a homebody um for the most part um i leave a lot during the day to like run errands and i'm doing comedy like pretty much

every night right that part is a little bit um so you do that so you value that time at home because of how much you're out yes yes and i'm an introvert so i like to be home and by myself and you know that's where i recharge but yeah you know it's been tight it's been hella tight especially the uh no stress uh yeah when you have things left at your door now i for i remember like a couple weeks ago i had ordered food from like this i was waiting for this one restaurant i always go to like they weren't opening and i was trying to be like they had no gift cards or anything i was like what what happened they finally came back i ordered something and i hadn't ordered anything in a while and i forgot they leave it at the door and i was like where

the fuck is that order at and i was like it was just 45 minutes in front of my door and i was like right right right it's just literally there now yeah we're still in the middle of a pandemic lest we forget on top of all that yeah and finally maggie what's a myth what's something people think is true you know to be false that reality shows are bad that they're bad entertainment that's false like they're so necessary i watch so many more reality shows now i have a home girl that we will watch we'll get on zoom and watch reality shows together because it's like i have to be able to watch someone make a bad decision in their life while I'm at home ordering stuff and just letting it get left in front of my door. What are you watching right now? I'm watching...

What's sustaining you? Married at First Sight. Oh, yes. I'm into 90 Day Fiance. I started up with Too Hot to Handle, but that show is not too hot. It's so lame. I'm like, none of y'all are that hot on this show anyway.

It's too cold to watch. Yeah. I mean, no. And the whole premise of the show is dumb. It's like you can't not fuck. First Sight, it like hit or miss sometimes. But when those seasons are hidden, I'm like, why did anyone ever agree to this? Like 90 Day Fiance.

I understand. That's why I like it. I get a little international flavor, travel, flair, so much culture clashing and other bullshit. But like when you watch Married at First S sight and like you're like oh my god this dude is like gaslighting her like constantly and like they're not even like no one's even actually describing that even like the experts when i'm like this is not actually okay all right they all need their licenses taken away from them someone needs to yank dr pepper's license they need to take pastor calvin's church away from him pastor yeah it is such a bad idea but like but the australian one have you seen that

one no so i just saw they just started putting the aussie version of it up even funnier because i it's it could take me even less out of like sometimes i don't like the american versions of shows but aussie married at first sight. I haven't been disappointed in the first episode. I feel like the Ozzy version and the UK version of reality shows, it's like somebody who's like dabbling in drugs and then goes like hard to the hard street drugs.

Oh, right, right, right. Just say it, man. Just give it to me. It's like, wait, you're mixing the pills with what? It's like those little anti-drug things we watched in the 90s where someone took one hit of weed and then all of a sudden it's circly eyes. Cocaine. Exactly.

Next thing you know, you're watching Geordie Shore. Have you seen Georgie i love this statement that uh that reality tv is necessary that that is uh culturally necessary it should just be it should just be called watch these idiots tv it's not reality because it's not i don't and i think i mean unfortunately there are a lot of people who will watch and be like oh man, that place looks awesome. But I think really the thing that people, like we're all watching it for is just that satisfaction to know there is someone out there making way worse decisions than you are. And you can then elevate yourself pedally because we are so small as we watch. We go, and I will stand upon their shoulders to feel mighty.

Also, like, we might be in quarantine for, like, what, one, two years? Like, no one is getting engaged in this one to two years, and society, like, crams it down a woman's throat that you got to be married by, you know, 30, 40, or whatever. Watching these shows, I do not have any desire to go out and get married. Like it looks shitty. Like it does not look fine. And like anytime,

like anyone who has marriage fever or is like, I got to do this. I got to make this happen. Go sit your ass in front of a married at first sight and see what happens to them. Go Google what they're up to now and see whether or not you want to hit your wagon to somebody just because, you know, you're 35. Yeah. Exactly. Oh 35 yeah exactly oh it's like i just felt like you know so many dead in relationships

i was like this is it you know that's why i'm just like i'm just embracing this like experiment like this whenever you see those people start off that married at first sight thing you're like this is all bad cut to them crying like in a tropical resort they're like yeah he just said he's not attracted to me like it's like yeah and you're like, he just said he's not attracted to me. And it's like crazy. And you're like, I don't know what you, all right, I'm going to just laugh because I need this right now.

I'm at home like, you so stupid bitch. And I'm eating. Screaming at the TV. I'm eating Funyuns for dinner. You're like spitting the crumbs onto the screen. I'm so much smarter than you.

Learn to see a red flag. Learn to see a red flag! Learn to see a red flag! Just chunks of Funyun flying at you. Your laptop? You're like, my return key doesn't work anymore. All right, guys.

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This was a really good point that you put together. This is an article I saw on Wired because it was just saying, like, crisis fatigue is a thing and it's real. And I think every person knows that the last three months have already been difficult, being locked down, unable to see loved ones and travel and just sort of do what we normally do. And then things completely fucking boiled over uh with all of you know this like group uh outpouring of uh their uh opposition to police brutality and racism

in this country so you know i think for me personally i feel like i've been in like a constant fight or flight the second i wake up like I wake up and I'm like, oh, I can sleep in. And I'm like, dude, my heart's like racing. Like I need to get up and run or something.

Like I actually can't even just chill. And I'm realizing like, yes, I'm stressed. But this reading about crisis fatigue very specifically, I think is beneficial because I think we all have some version of like unease, unrest, stress. And it's really important to work on that. So in this article, they were talking about just basically,

we're built to have these high stress situations for a little bit, right? That's what our fighter flight's about. That's what keeps us nimble and alive as we were trying to survive. And now it's a little bit different now with the way our world is. That shit just turns into us boiling over with like super high cortisol levels, which then wreak havoc on our body. So the stress isn't just merely like, oh man, I'm uneasy or whatever. Like we have to really be careful. Like every person should really be careful because this high amount of stress you're feeling can do all kinds of things to your body, throw your hormones all out of whack, high blood pressure, bone loss, if it turns into Cushing syndrome. So please take a second, because your bodies can also feel the effects of everything that's going on, not just our minds. And they just really can't, we can't hold this up for so long.

So I think it's really important. I just want to say, because a lot of people are really invigorated right now. And there's some people who are like, well, what's next? Where do we go today? Who do we yell at now? Like, that is great. But like I was saying a few episodes ago, put that shit, keep it on low, keep it hot, but don't put it on, don't flame the fuck out because my God, I'll let everybody else speak to how exhausted they are. We are all exhausted, but we also need to be really careful with ourselves. I think we generally underrate mental health.

Meg, you were saying that you have immuno issues or issues with your immune system that are keeping you inside and like away from uh but i think i think we need to be also you know like miles said aware of like what we're doing to our mental health like what our mental diet is is uh doing to us you know like how we're consuming the news like i i don't think i've taken five minutes from looking at my phone of the past you know yeah four or five days like the past week and a half like i just feel like it's non-stop and it's not a it's not good but i i also don't know like i do feel like i need to

stay up on it but like like, I also have not, I haven't had the thought in my head, like, what is this doing to me mentally? What is this doing to people around me mentally? Because eventually I probably should. Yeah. Eventually your own self-preservation mechanisms will kick in and you will probably disengage for the sake of your health. Like, that's what the thing is. is like and that's really important for any kind of advocacy is to be able to sustain it for as long as possible it's not just it's advocacy isn't a reaction to something it's you're dedicating yourself to changing something so that's that's why it's not you don't you know don't don't hit a wall on the first lap like it's a marathon right and yeah and it's just do like the smallest things

because man i'm like forgetting to drink water i'm forgetting to eat i'm forgetting to fucking chill i've had to put like literal reminders in your phone of like hey go pee for a second hey go like drink a cup of water go have a something, have an egg, whatever you need to do. Um, because I think that's also, those things start going by the wayside as well as really like, like you're saying, Jack, like, I know it feels good to be like, okay, man, like what happened now? Okay. Now what's going on over here now? Who did the police kill today? Um, because that's constant already, as we've seen with plenty of innocent people already losing their lives by just being around and you know having the audacity to exercise their first amendment right um so limit your news

like if this show is the only thing you listen to to get your fill then do that don't then go on twitter and get sucked into social media because it will, it will literally burn you the fuck out. So like, it's okay. Like what I do is I have to put the phone at five o'clock. It's the last time I checked the news, like by the East coast, it's eight. They know what's up. I I've pretty much figured out what's happening locally. Just don't check, like have a hard news cutoff time for yourself and have it be hours before you eat dinner and go to bed like let that be an untainted segment of your day because trust me if you really care about this you're gonna be up just with everybody else being like okay what's going on like i feel like something can be done

and i feel like on top of that a lot of it is feelings based like because i mean you saw a snuff film everyone has a visceral reaction to it. Everyone's already feeling a bunch of things. But it's like you can't run it off of your feelings or else it's never going to be a sustained movement. Yeah, right. You know, people are not going to stay, you know. The Ring wasn't as scary the second time you watched it. Like, it's not going to give you the same kind of thing.

But then, like like everyone getting up in their feelings too is a problem because like that's not how you run any like nothing ever changes by feeling nothing things change by action right and so i feel like people are getting the feelings and not doing anything and so they feel crazy because they're like i feel all this stuff and there's nothing that i can it's like slow down and chill realize that your feelings are not going to push this forward and realize that you know two years from now when you're still fighting this fight you're not going to feel the same but you still have you the obligation of fighting right or listen why people will immediately say i'm not going to vote for a candidate because

this is their record on these issues. You know what I mean? Because at a certain level, when you get, when you beat these things, you really start trying to figure out how to solve these things too. You also have to look at who the people are that are in power and what their, you know, record of behavior is on these kinds of things and how, how far they are willing to go to address the problems because i think the issue has been i think that's what this a lot of this too is a reaction to all this incremental change when we all knew with obamacare it should have been medicare for all you know what i mean and it turned into a private insurance exchange and then with other bills uh

whether it's you know with dreamers and things like that we knew what it should have been it shouldn't have been we could we could have just given these people the citizenship that they deserve but we're doing it incrementally and i think that's why every group has seen incremental change but they all know what the solutions are so it's always like why are we waiting for these fucking old ass white people to figure it out? Because we're the ones that are living it and we already know what the solution is.

So if your record is like not prosecuting cops when they kill people, I'm going to be like, yo, see, no, no, no. That's the mentality you see that allows this to go on. So I need somebody who said, I was ran out on a rail as DA because I prosecuted too many cops in my first term.

I'm like, whoa, yep. Voting for him. There you go. I like that because you already knew what it was. You said, oh yeah, I'm here to protect people. Oh, what are they doing? Oh, they're there to not piss off the policeman's union and then stop the flow of contributions and independent expenditures that help them. No, come on now.? Oh, they're there to not piss off the policemen's union and then stop the flow of contributions

and independent expenditures that help them. No, come on now. Come on. Come on. Let's talk about specifically what the reforms are that people should be looking for because I've heard things like defund the police and immediately been like, well, do we.

So there's no police anymore. Like, what? What is the. We're all just fine. I'll go. Robin Hood. I'll arm myself. Only superheroes.

Only the Hollywood Boulevard superheroes. The Hollywood Boulevard superheroes. The Hollywood Boulevard Avengers. Or Nikes. The more you read about that, the more it's like, oh, that is actually a no-brainer change that we should all be pushing for.

But it's probably something that a lot of people think sounds too extreme for them. So I do think that that's something that's probably worth kind of digging into today and in the coming days. I think at this point we can all agree that the police are merely just an overfunded gang that exists to harass poor people and kick people off private property. And then solve a couple crimes here and there uh but i think a lot of people have seen the evidence of how the police

interact with the public and at the very least they go that relationship seems a bit off that relationship is not right okay so then let's take that point right that the relationship is off now we have to keep going further back and say well that's because the relationship of the way the police the law enforcement is created now and the system of policing we have now it is only meant to perpetuate that kind of relationship of hostility it's not to protect and serve that's just written on the cars what you've seen is people just get bodied by jake uh or beaten with batons or whatever for for what okay so i think a lot of people like this is a lot do they need all this like what's going on so we have to talk about like what is actually going to really change these things and we talk about the big white supremacy is the always the big picture

issue here that's what policing is but we can, but that's a huge bite to take out. So let's try and make it about what actually, what are tangible things, right? So what are tangible things that'll help when we're talking about reforming police funding or whatever is like we should support things like this.

Anything that offers reparations to victims of police violence and their families. that's the first thing create like financial vulnerability and accountability for these these places because right now it isn't they're also like support proposals that talk about um requiring police officers to have their own liability insurance so they have to they got to come out of pocket if they brutalize somebody or kill them, that they're covered. Okay. So if it's not the city, then make it you, because guess what?

This is a serious job. And these are all from activist Maryam Kaba, who's from prison culture, who, you know, writes a lot and is an advocate for prison reform. These are all things that we can be doing from her writing. And that's in the footnotes. The other things that can be done, okay? Proposals and legislation to like redirect all of our funds

from the police department and the prison system to social goods, right? Because if people aren't supported in their communities, they become desperate and that's why when people go, I don't understand

why they have to be in a gang because there's no opportunity. There's no support or why are people violent? Maybe you need actual assistance with your mental health but you're left to be on the street and you're fending for yourself in a really awful environment that's why so those are the kinds of things that you know if those are there typically uh the police don't have to show up as first responders because we have social workers there i feel like it has a lot in common with the military-industrial complex

where so many people are making money off of things being bad and relationships being bad between countries, and so they get to keep funding the military so that they can feed on the fear, and it just kind of feeds back on itself. I feel like the same thing is happening here. Absolutely. 100%. The cops have to be justified in being like the same thing is happening here. Absolutely. 100%.

Yeah, the cops have to be justified in being like, well, they're evil out there. Right. They're evil out there. That and the cops are just, they are the ones who get everything. I don't know if, it's kind of like, you know,

when House is like, it's not, lupus is a catch-all and that's how the cop, I got lupus, but the cops are kind of like, you know, when house is like it's not lupus is a catch all. And that's how the cop I got lupus. But the cops are kind of a catch all like funding for to help with homelessness. Half of that was just for cop sweeps. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they anything that goes wrong is like the cops are responsible to take care of that.

But at the same time, they're not getting training. I used to work as a transcriptionist for the Health and Human Services Commission in Texas. And like with my own black fingers, I would type like, yeah, cops don't know how to deal with mental health problems. Cops are not being trained to deal with mental health problems. Cops are fucking up mental health issues. Cops are fucking up like those. What do they call them? Wellness checks.

Oh, yeah. No, don't ever do that. A lot of people with mental issues are getting suicided by cop because the cop is not trained to deal with someone in that kind of state. To de-escalate. They're not trained to de-escalate a problem. Well, and I think that's the other important thing because that's why we're always saying the problem actually is the modern policing, modern law enforcement. That is the problem. We have not seen one thing.

Yes, you have videos. Whoa, that white officer can break dance at the cookout. Whoa. That's propaganda. That's propaganda. That's that completely because I can show you 50 videos of them beating the shit out of black people. And if you look at just sort of how these hours break down of what it means comparatively right in like north carolina

it takes you need 620 hours to be a police officer with you have a gun right and you can take somebody's life to be a licensed barber in north carolina you need 1528 hours of training the disparity in training is another huge issue. In California, it's something like 660 hours. A cosmetologist, they need 1,600 hours. Already, look at how we're sending these people out.

It's just made so they can crank out a bunch of uniforms and justify increasing budgets, saying we need more cops, we need more things. Crime's going down. Now it's like, okay, what can we we do let's harass poor people because the state isn't taking care of them so we can criminalize their them being destitute and that's another way to say hey we need more cops you need more training we need more sweeps you need this other stuff so these are sort of things to keep in mind now i think when the reforms that you also see people propose, like in LA, when Garcetti's like, hey, we found like 5% of that budget to take out.

Okay, nice try. That's not even close to what we're talking about. But if you see proposals that are saying like they want more money to the police, you want to be against that. Okay, let's get that right. More money for body cameras. Yeah. More money for, yeah. Okay, are they- More money for body cameras.

Yeah. More money for, yeah. If it's for technology, you should oppose that. Because like you're saying, those body cams, they're not turning them on. So they're just expensive pieces of shit that hang off their chests. What probably is happening is they will use other shit like facial recognition technology that's already, we've talked about how biased algorithms are, especially with faces of African Americans in this country. It's not going to work. we've talked about how biased algorithms are uh especially with faces of like african americans

in this country it's it's not gonna work so if it's about more money for technology get it the fuck out of here if they're asking for um like more police money so they can have more kinds of policing oppose that shit so um any other reforms that are just sort of like you know are we gonna have like let's have let's have dialogue no we past it. And I think right now we're seeing this new thing. Eight can't wait from the campaign zero, which I think I'm not saying what this what they're proposing is bad. I think it's really interesting. They're using data to try and determine really small steps that can actually create a huge, what they believe is a huge impact on the amount of police brutality. So the eight things are require officers to deescalate situations, require officers to intervene, require officers to give a verbal

warning before using force. Restrict or prohibit chokehold and strangle holds prohibit officers from shooting at moving vehicles require officers to exhaust all other options use a continuum of force require comprehensive reporting see now this sounds great but in my mind i'm like they're not doing this already right so then this is out the window yeah what the fuck are we talking about them to do the the obvious right thing like and it just seems like in the wrong hands they will find a way around the like in any company in any organization like there's ways to get around like the metrics or to juice the metrics in one direction like back at cracked there was a thing where like our parent company wanted a lot of page views so we like started splitting articles up over different pages and it's just like it was a bullshit thing that we did just to like hit that

one metric that they wanted us to hit it didn't do anything it didn't add any value for the consumer it didn't add like it was just kpis though baby yeah and like this is just putting metrics in place in a system that is not being reformed in a meaningful way like right the the data transparency on stops arrest budgeting weapons like that's the sort of like hard and it needs to be coming from outside of the police force it can't just be we want you guys to try to make these changes require officers to intervene like what the what practically would that look like like what the fuck are you talking stop your frat brothers from doing keg stands bros yeah it does sound like that it sounds like some shit that you would like here in a not serious yeah it

doesn't make sense like that's what i'm saying. This should already be happening. That's what I'm saying. We're past... This should have been things that I think would have been great in the 60s, but we're in 2020 now. So you've made your point. You shouldn't exist anymore as an entity that enforces the law. That's been very clear, at least this form of law enforcement. the law that's been very clear at least this form of law enforcement and these kinds of reforms that people propose are bad because it allows for this bad apple theory to continue because you're like you're seeing because this we're taking care of the bad apples with this right because see the bad apples like the good ones don't need to be told this but i guess we got to tell the bad apples you gotta warn them you don't do these choke holds because of the bad apples and that completely takes the emphasis off

the fact that this policing system is oppressive violent um and the only thing they're here is a is a mechanism to control like weak people that's all it is because look what happens we saw what and i and i and i'll say it every time you saw white people was full up tack gear and assault rifles at the state Capitol. And everyone's like, Hey, all right guys, Kumbaya,

just chill out. People are out in the streets. Poor people too are asking for their equality. And it's like, send them in baby. Cause you know what the fuck this is? Cause that thing needs to the next thing. And next thing you know,

they're going to turn my mega billion dollar apartment complex into affordable housing. That ain't happening. And then on top of that, like all of these ways to reduce police brutality, this is all honor system stuff. Because are you going to tell me that an officer is going to be like, oh, yeah, I didn't give a verbal warning. They're gonna be like, I gave a verbal warning and then they threw a thing of cocaine at me and so i had to shoot them like like all of this requires us to believe that the cops are doing this and they're not doing this and this is just common sense stuff so like of course they're gonna of course they're gonna lie about this yeah it's just i mean that yeah this disingenuous i mean not that it's disingenuous but i feel like that this is the mindset right

where people say and i get it like this is good i this is good. I don't think this is evil to propose this, but I think it's a mindset that we have to begin to abandon, which is like, well, not too much all at once. So don't just put my foot out, but extinguish my whole fucking body. What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are we doing that? You know I'm on fire. You saw the threat. So what's the point of doing this incrementally? What is the point? If you're really about this and you're saying this is awful and I want to erase the evidence of police brutality, then you have to get to the cause of it. The police. Yeah. I mean, this is, we have the Washington Post writing articles about how this is America's French Revolution. Like, we have, you know, this is a time, this is not the time to ask for incremental, like, surface level cover up changes. This is the time to get systematic deep changes that won't allow

the police to continue to be a tool to enforce white supremacy and classism. And they say, oh, what should we do? Say, listen to black people. What are you saying? Defund the police. Get rid of the police. Right. Do it. You said, you asked what you could do. say listen to black people what are you saying defund the police get rid of the police right

do it you said you asked what you could do telling you listen that's what we're saying so what's the but we're not saying oh less chokes please fuck out of here man it's like you can give me a verbal before you hit me yeah go ahead and give me an audible before I get my ass kicked. So then let's just get on the same page. And again, I think the first thing everyone's reaction would be like, no police. Then it's anarchy. Now we're not saying there's no mechanisms to protect people.

That's. No, what we're saying is we actually want that. We want people who will protect people. Not people who get, who squat up in their cars and patrol the streets and be like what are you doing over there why are you sleeping over there what is this going on what are you kids doing over why are you smoking over in this neighborhood why are you in this car who's this kid oh you got one white kid with you okay okay right you know but that's that's how the police think right now like we need people to drive around be like

whoa hey sir are you okay you look are you do you need shoes hey come here come here you need something yes i'm the police but i also here to help people oh my god sir you haven't it seems like you're having some kind of episode sir do you have medication that you take okay please sit down please put that bottle down sir okay okay i won't come near you but please just i'll stay i will stand here you can hold that bottle there but i want to call some people because i want to make sure you're safe is that okay can i call somebody great like that's what that's how the interaction should be it should always be like are you okay now what the fuck are you doing that that seems so obvious but so far from where we are right but that's the thing yeah that is the that's the

image of police that we're all taught as kids that's the image of police that we're all taught as kids. That's the image of police that everyone always gets is the guy that's here to be nice, to be sweet, and that's just not what's out there.

Right. Yeah. You get that in your neighborhood watch meetings where you have like that one officer who lets the kids sit in the squad car

and they're like, oh, wow. Yeah. Meanwhile, like I see that same cop when I'm 16 and like they're fucking with me. But look, like, I see that same cop when I'm 16. And, like, they're fucking with me. But look, I'm with some white kids smoking weed in the car.

And it was fine. But I was like, oh, my God, that's fucking, you are my community. Wow. And you're out here acting like a fucking dick, dude. Cool. That's all it is. We just want protection and service, you know? All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be back to uh wrap things up

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And really briefly, Mattis said Trump is a danger to the Constitution. The mainstream media seems to be of the opinion that this is what we needed. This is going to be the thing that takes him down. what's his name, Tucker Carlson, criticizing him while still upholding white supremacy. Those are the things that are going to really take it to him. And, you know, I'll buy it when he's out of office without bloodshed. I don't, I don't know. I don't see it happening. Well, I don't know. I mean, like, this is,

all those like really defeated senators, like, it's... It's encouraging.'s encouraging they know well not that it's it's to me it's encouraging that their brand could get so fucked up that maybe like there's a chance that a lot of people would just be like dude i'm not voting for these republic what the fuck was that i mean that's in a dream world but on some level we always talk about this i'm like when is he when are they gonna realize they've the brand is fully fucked yeah they're gonna just ride this one out because my god like i said punch your ticket to the right side of history they're gonna what the fuck are y'all doing but like i like we said white supremacy is a death cult yeah so if you're not willing to unshackle yourself from it then yeah i guess

you will be like yeah like they all look like i guess either they saw how ugly their lack of courage was or they were like i guess i'm gonna die huh i guess i'm going down with the ship fuck it i mean there's a lot of really hard to deny things about like his photo op after you know destroying a bunch of uh peaceful protests uh with tear gas that's a tough one tough look to be on the same side as that but there's just too many things working in his favor i mean he there's white supremacy is like the death cult that this country is founded on uh trump has like a literal death cult uh that he is the messiah of called q anon he's the boss of our country in a country that fetishizes boss bosses and you know all the people trying to take him down and criticizing him are either

bureaucrats or former bureaucrats in a country that you know despises bureaucrats in a bone deep the epa is the villain in ghostbusters way like bureaucrats are who were taught to hate and that that's not gonna that's not gonna bring an end to this like there's by all means let's let's keep amplifying that i'm not i'm not saying that's not what mattis should be doing i just don't think we can rest on that the way we've uh in the past made the mistake of resting on muller or you know whoever the next great technocrat savior is miles do we want to uh do any rewatches over the weekend give people something that oh my god i didn't think about that i'm gonna i'm gonna need some kind of eye bleach eye bleach yeah all right let me read through what is

uh the top 10 on netflix okay uh we got space force at number one we got i'll watch that i'll watch that i'll watch that okay space force fuller house at number three. I'll watch that too. Sweet Magnolias at four. Yeah, I'm gonna watch that also. Uh-huh. Love Sweet Magnolias. Avatar. Now this one's interesting. The Help is the number six trending piece of content on

Netflix. I think I'm gonna watch that from the perspective of a study in what we've been talking about over the past couple of days of how white supremacy manifests itself in white people's minds. Who wrote that? I don't know who wrote it. I know who directed it. Catherine Stockett.

Catherine Stockett. Yep. Grew up in Jackson, Mississippi. And Clueless the Healer, Uncut Gems, and Riverdale are also trending. Catherine Stockett. Catherine Stockett. Yep. Grew up in Jackson, Mississippi. And Clueless, The Healer, Uncut Gems, and Riverdale are also trending. But I think, so you're going to do Space Force? Space Force, Fuller House, Uncut Gems. Well, you're giving our audience a lot of homework that they have to do.

No, Space Force, I think, i want to see tani in there and i also want to see uh what like the kind of minds of the office are doing now in this context yeah well i'll do the help we won't do quite as deep a dive as uh we've done uh in the past because there's gonna be too much to talk about other other than the help uh but we'll uh we'll we'll dig into it for five minutes white guilt could only get to number six on the netflix charts come on y'all did they just release it or is it just that much that's wild because like right underneath it like in my watch it again it's uh 13th but that's not on there uh well yeah i think a lot of people i mean i i would say to anybody if you haven't seen the 13th on netflix you should absolutely watch that um look all of this historical action we're taking

is about really confronting all these things and i think i'm just gonna get into this other piece i was gonna try and talk about but when i look on like right wing twitter and i look at a lot of comments of like uh conservative sort of defending like why they don't need to change right now the common themes i keep seeing are i don't have to feel bad for these people because i didn't personally own slaves i think that's one of the prevailing things i see i also see these people want to live like that and they just want to mooch off the system um and then the other thing, then they bolster that by saying, I know this because I've seen it with my own eyes or I work with these people. And these are fantastic arguments as to why you shouldn't examine your own behavior. Absolutely.

A grade reasons to be like, man, I'm not going to do any kind of close self-examination after that. But I think the real burden for these people is to avoid having to realize that what they think is wrong and may have actually been wrong this whole time. All of these are self-preservation mechanisms because if you say, wait, I have to feel bad for these people, even though I didn't own slaves. Wait, these people don't want to live like that and they don't want to mooch off the system but that's what my dad told me and my dad was a good guy i think i'm not racist normally like but that's what i was told so if i'm so then the mental path goes so if i'm wrong about this race stuff what does that mean i'm evil and then because that's the logical thing and then boom, self-preservation has to kick in and says, of course I'm not evil. Fuck what these people

are talking about. Because if what they say is true, that means I'm bad and I'm not bad, you know? And that's not, and I think that's the thing that people need to begin reframing to others when they're trying to communicate and saying, take it like, it's okay that you, communicate and saying, take it like, it's okay that you, I mean, it's not okay that you thought that, but the, if, if we're going to do something, you have to realize that those thoughts don't serve you and they don't reflect reality. And in fact, in fact, they're holding you back and they're holding other people back. That's all it is. And that's how, and that's just how our minds work. We always have to find a way to present, preserve our egos and make sure that we're like, you know, not doing a bad thing. But then if that sense of self is threatened, then we just start doubling down on that bad behavior because the other option is real,

real introspection. So I'm not going to do that. So I'm going to double down to the point that I will just kill my fellow human being who's innocent because I've doubled down on this thinking so much. Every time someone tells me it's not. Because I've doubled down on this thinking so much. Every time someone tells me it's not right, I'm going to double down on that now. And I'm going to tell you, it's actually everything I think is right. And it's a hard place to dig yourself out of, but we're not after people's guilt. So when people are like, well, I don't have to feel bad for these people. I'm not.

Look, we've experienced what people feeling bad does it only leads to like lame diversity hires and sort of like small pittances into like these diversity funds or whatever like it's not the guilt it's it's about changing your heart and your mind that is what the real that's where the juice is and all this and that's again you want to be able to say good for you if you look back and go fuck bro yikes i was thinking that shit yikes whoo i'm glad i'm glad i can say yikes to that holy shit i'm fucking i'm a new i'm like whoa i'm me 3.0 4.0 allow yourself to make a mistake it's not that you're evil because you have to understand like all of this shit is been mainlined into our brains through the media and everything. It's amazing.

behave in film can contribute to fucking skewed ideas of masculinity then you should damn well be able to hop on the train that white supremacy can also infiltrate your mind in very subtle ways too because you might be like oh shit i didn't think i looked at my body because of that because of that movie or whatever this person or this poster you don't think white supremacy is entering your mind in the same way so take the time to just fucking deconstruct that shit but just take the time all you gotta do is be aware we're not after the guilt we're after the awareness so then you can fucking white supremacy ends when people actually be like white oh i know what it is and i don't like it not just like i know it exists oh i i'm i'm i'm experiencing it i'm purple purple. Oh, oh, oh. Just awareness. See, everybody's too afraid of being wrong is the thing.

I don't want to have to admit I was wrong. I don't want to have to admit that I have a leg up. I don't want to have to admit that there are people who don't get the same opportunities. So there's a little bit of an asterisk on some of my achievements. People don't want to say like my past was. But it's like how many people are ashamed at shitting in a diaper at one point in your life? We used to do that before you knew any better. Now you know better.

Now you do better hopefully. But like, it's just, it's so mind boggling how people tie their whole sense of self into, I was wrong at this one time. And it's so much easier for them to just justify their actions, even like retroactively justify, which is hella embarrassing for them to like go ahead and make excuses for

something when you could easily do what I said and apologize and move on from it. Right. I used to have a red Yankees fitted hat, like Fred, but I've come back. All right. and i'm not if i'm not afraid to admit that in fact i'm proud that i saw the light and drank the hot dog flavored water and ate the chocolate star but like but that's inspiring that's inspiring because you could

be up here right now in a puka shell necklace and you're not doing that you've moved on right exactly you look at that and be like whoa but i think the thing is people should have a soft touch because i see people screaming at each other about it and a lot of people i'm telling you you can open someone's mind a lot easier if you are so calm it's so off-putting yeah because they're used to being like you're wrong that just if you if you come at somebody aggressive they have to be defensive that's just how it is that's just how we work you know you have your fist cocked i'm gonna put my dukes up and we're scrapping but if you come up with your hands to your side you're like hey how you doing how you doing hey man so i want to talk to you about this stuff that's going on with this white supremacy thing like i just want i just want

you know i'm just trying to be aware of it it's really interesting how i've realized how things have informed how that's happened to me um and i just was i'm just hoping that you can also do that and they go i don't want i don't care those people are wrong just leave that yeah come come back again and just do it like that because eventually it's gonna it'll be so weird where they're like damn like they're always so calm talking to you like that. And I'm always out here screaming. It's like, why am I screaming?

But again, that also takes self-awareness, but soft touch also works. Maggie, it's been so wonderful having you. Where can people find you and follow you? And what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Well, you can find me on pretty much all the socials at Maggie May Ha Ha. May is spelled

M-A-Y-E, so M-A-G-G-I-E M-A-Y-E and Ha Ha. A tweet that I loved this week came from Solomon Giorgio, which He's been so great. Everything he tweets is just a work of art. I love how his brain works,

but he tweeted, imagine living in a country that took months to respond to a pandemic and seconds to militarize the police against its citizens. Imagine. That'd be wild. Wait, that's now. Oh oh shit all right solomon you can't miss miles where can people find you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying you can find me follow me

twitter instagram playstation network uh miles of gray and on my other podcast 420 Day Fiance where we talk about 90 Day Fiance getting super lifted a few tweets I like a few one a few man first one's from Wendy Molyneux congrats to Harvey Weinstein for having his op-ed piece quote on the other hand look at those titties accepted by the

New York Times oh shit another one is from reductress uh it has like a very concerned wine mom with a hoodie on like fleece hoodie looking face and says five things protesters can do to make me the white lady watching at home more comfortable uh because i think that's kind of uh that is such a real sentiment right now. Oh, yeah. People are just like, oh, I'm just so put off by it now. I don't like human rights.

Right. Enough is enough. I mean, we get it. We get it. We're not going to do anything about it. Right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

Uh, Jesus nice tweeted, uh, something that I actually didn't know. I had always heard that, uh, old dirty bastard got into a gunfight with NYPD. I didn't realize that he just got shot at by eight cops. Um,

and all he had was a cell phone so uh that's i guess a piece of white supremacy propaganda that got into my into my head um and whoa that's wild i really thought as it like the anecdotal thing you heard was like yeah you, you're going to gunfight with cops. He was just. Yeah. Wow. The shit you still learn in your fucking 35 learning about this shit now. Tall Paul tweeted, why are people scared of riots and looting? The flu kills way more people every year. And.

Yeah, that's plenty. Oh, and Jordan Peele tweeted, oh, does this mean we're going to get to hear from all the quarterbacks? Because, oh, and Colleen tweeted, Tom Cotton is as close to having a senator named Jim Crow as reality would allow. Right. Jesus. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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A lot of the young members of our household coming in and messing with the recording today. All right, let's go out on a track from alice coltrane the wife of john coltrane but not only that she's actually a accomplished pianist organist harpist vocalist in her own right a lot of people don't realize she's amazing uh also flying lotus's aunt okay so there's like some little connective tissue to now uh this is a track from her that has like just such, I don't know, like I need dream world vibes right now. And her harp mixed with like the jazz player she's playing is fantastic.

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