The Daily Zeitgeist - Cruz Crosses The Cult, 2022 According To Old Movies 1.10.22

Episode Date: January 10, 2022

In episode 1060, Jack and Miles are joined by co-hosts of the Was I In A Cult? podcast Tyler Measom and Liz Iacuzzi to discuss Ted Cruz - Texas’ Human Invertebrate, What 2022 Will Bring According to Movies (Hello, Cannibalism) and more! Ted Cruz - Texas’ Human Invertebrate What 2022 Will Bring According to Movies (Hello, Cannibalism) Decades ago, movies imagined a futuristic 2022 Unhappy new year: what can we learn from movies set in 2022? Follow: @wasiinacult @tylermeasom @theiacuzziLISTEN: I'm Gonna Love You Just A Little More, Baby by Kellee Patterson Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. There's a lot to figure out when you're just

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I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry, Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 219, episode 1 of Dear Daily's iGeister production of iHeartRadio. women's Monday. It's not the other day. Sorry. Because I always hit tomorrow, and tomorrow's not that.

Oh, you were going to tell us what national day it was this past Saturday? Yeah, sorry, sorry. I mean, we all know that this past Saturday was National Vision Board Day, National Argyle Day, and National English Coffee Day. I mean, what? Yes, I know, I know. Pardon me. Today is actually National Oysters Rockefeller Day. Of course it is.

And Save the Eagles Day. Save the Eagles. Yeah. Not the NFL team. The band. The band. Okay. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. This is the pod that doesn't end. We do the zeit right into trends.

Some people started listening, not knowing what it was. And they'll continue listening forever just because this is the pod that. And I could keep going. You could. That song from the Lamb Chop show was brought to our attention. We were reminded of it by Equipped Smith on Twitter. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles

Gray! I thought I saw him shopping. I thought I saw him at a light. I think I thought I saw Michael Stipe. But I didn't. He's just some guy who looks saw Michael Stipe.

But I didn't. It was just some guy who looks like Michael Stipe. Shout out to Fat Andrew on the Discord for that wonderful AKA. Because, yeah, I thought I keep seeing Michael Stipe's doppelganger at Trader Joe's. And I guess he doesn't even live near me. So it was just a dream. Not even close. That was just a dream.

Well, Miles, we are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined in our third seat by two brilliantly talented artists, a documentary filmmaker and a writer, actress, comedian who have teamed up to make the hit podcast, Was I in a Cult? Please welcome Tyler Meesom and Liz Iacuzzi. Hey, Tyler and Liz. Hi, guys. What's up? Do we have to sing too? I didn't come prepared with a song. I mean, if you'd like, you know, if you have a...

I'm more of a dancer. You have a song in your heart. Oh, okay. We don't mind that. Come on, start dancing, then. Yeah, yeah. You got honey in those hips, Tyler? Yeah, I got a white man overbite with my dance

until I draw blood on my lower lip. Trust me, you don't want to see that. Wait, what's the, I don't think I've heard that white man overbite. Oh, come on. You know when you, white man dance

and I do that? Yeah, that's right. I do it so hard that it just, indelible marks in my bottom lip. I'll do that. It is very cool.

It's a cool look. Yeah. That we all have. Wear it. You guys are in the old studio where we used to record Daily Zeitgeist. Do you want us to do anything to the seats or do you want us to like... Just fart

in them to honor them like we would. We can bless them. Is there a ritual you guys did before recording? No, not really. Just a deep, exasperated sigh at the reality that we were going to have to comment on every day. But other than that, no. It still smells of depression.

So thanks for leaving that stench. So you guys host Create the Podcast. Was I in a cult? And I think, you know, the title gives a sense of the subject matter. But I just wanted to read a quote from a recent episode to give people like a flavor. You guys were talking about a guest who, spoiler alert, was in a cult, was also an actor on Saved by the Bell, was dating a Power Ranger. And Tyler, you asked Liz, referring to that era of television, I was watching He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Did she fuck any of them? Which was a great moment and I think gives a good flavor of how fun your podcast is.

Yeah, I really love this show. It's the little things that some people pick up. Thanks for finding that one. Needless to to say it's not a completely serious show it's not completely serious you guys cover very serious subject matter but you have a lot of fun doing it thanks thanks thanks yeah yeah all right well we are going to get to know you guys what's the answer did she did sheMan? Apparently she didn't fuck He-Man. Fuck He-Man. Yeah, you said you were going to ask at that moment.

Follow up, Liz. Follow up on that. It's in my draft. It was a question that was on all our minds. Like, you know, that is a journalist's job. And then it makes you Google who was the man behind the voice of He-Man. Did you do that? I do have a friend who was Barney for a while. He was the man inside the purple suit.

And he went on a national tour of Barney. And this was years ago, back when Barney was more of a rage. And he goes, I can't tell you how many women want to fuck Barney. He said it was the easiest thing in the world. I'd go in and just say I'm Barney and how many women want to fuck Barney. He said it was the easiest thing in the world. I'd go in and just say I'm Barney and they would just want to fuck Barney. See, I only wanted to fuck Bozo, you know. That's my thing. Shoot for the moon.

Wow, you wanted to fuck Bozo. No, I know. But those shoes, you know, those shoes are big. Yeah. Bozo just seemed like he was the, you know, the last of the of the clowns. Like, I think he hit a generation that was already terrified of clowns and in which clowns no longer made sense. But he was still out there on national TV or he was on like the Chicago, that local Chicago channel. That must be why I know him, because I'm from Chicago. There you go. Oh, there it is. Yeah, I was just terrified of Bozo and developed some light coulrophobia from that man. All right. Well, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about. his oopsie that he made uh where he had to go on tuggar carlson's show and apologize and be dressed down and uh yeah beg beg forgiveness so we're going to talk about that in the context of like what what is going on in general with the republican party with the maybe even the q anon movement and you know you guys do a podcast about cults. We would love your insight into what we're looking at here. This all seems to end well, right? Yeah. Spoiler alert.

It ends just great. Yeah. Oh, yes. All right. Good. Yes. Yes. Thanks for that.

Sleep well tonight. We're going to take a look at the films set in the year 2022. So not the movies coming out this year, the movies that came out already and had some things to say about the year 2022. And we'll just, you know, ask the question, how close did they get? And also just curious to hear thoughts on, is there a movie future that you guys think really, really nailed it? Tyler, you're a filmmaker, I believe is how it's pronounced. Filmmaker? Yes.

Emphasis on the M. So you've heard of these things, right? Films, movies? I have. I've seen one. So all of that, plenty more. But first, before we get to any of that, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Let's take a gander here.

I recently looked up insulated mugs. Okay. Faxi. What are we looking at? Well, I wanted to just get like, because there's a lot of different brands. And there's a lot of different price points. And I was trying to figure out what's the best one. Also looked up Fluorona because somebody mentioned that's a thing.

Yep. That's a thing out there. And then what did I look up this morning? Funny words for penis. Oh. Because you knew you were coming on this podcast. You want to have names for you guys.

Yeah. Wait, what's... Why, in my mind, it's like, unless it's something specific, it's an odd thing for me to be like, alright, what are some fun names for penises? I feel like, I think just as a gross dude, I'm like, I think I know them all.

But in a way, it's worth expanding. There's way too many. Yeah. I mean, were you looking for something specific or you're just kind of like, what are some new words? She had a moment. I was just sick of calling it a dick, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I was looking up a fun, for writing for the show. I was like, what is another. No, I was looking at a fund for writing for the show. I was like, what is another word for penis? So I did a deep dive.

The best source I found was urbanthesaurus.org. They give you some Oh, urbanthesaurus. Urbanthesaurus had some nice words.

One was a sweetness, which I really liked, which is a sweaty penis. And then, you know, your tip of, and most of them were just the ones you've heard. Right. Frank and Beans, Twig and Berries type of.

Right, right. Zob. I'm just, Pork Sword? Wow. Pork Sword. Pork Sword was there, yeah. Yeah. Monty Python had a good song about names for your penis. Oh yeah, that's right. Do you remember it? Isn't it nice to have a penis?

Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong? It's swell to own a stiffy. It's divine to own a prick. From the tiniest little tacker to the world's biggest dick. So three cheers for your Willie or John Thomas. Hooray for your one-eyed trouser snake. Your piece of pork, your wife's best friend, your pulsie or your cock. You can wrap it up in

ribbons. You can stick it in your sock. But don't take it out in public or they will stick you in the dock and you won't come about. That's it. And that's Tyler's theme song. There's my theme song. A Monty Python ditty about penises.

It does seem like there's extra energy from either emphasizing the tininess or the size, right? emphasizing the tininess or the size right trouser snake uh or or prick seems like it's like a pin prick yeah soup can soup can there you go chicago tribune did like a look back at the history of the of the caulk yeah pin was one of the earliest ones. I wouldn't want to be the model for that. Yeah. What does that look like? A needle point. Here's the inspiration. Oh, interesting.

Okay. That's funny. Yeah. Tyler, what is something from your search history? I mean, looking at mine, you know, outside of like researching cults, which is common and often, and I'm sure I'm on some weird flag in the FBI somehow. But I'm trying to perfect my pancake making. So there's recipes for pancakes.

And then I've got one where I looked into when spring training starts for baseball because I'm a baseball fan and I'm high time for some baseball. Who's your team? I'm a Cubs fan. Big, big diehard junkie Cubs fan. So. Nice. So tell me about the pancakes. Cause I like pancakes and I'm, you know, I like to make them.

I like to, I was recently on a, like an Airbnb where there was no spatulas and I was making pancakes and I didn't realize I would have to use like a combination of a fork and a spoon to flip my pancakes. But I'm curious to see what do you what do you read like new recipes? Like we're talking souffle pancakes. What kind of pancakes? Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, you know, don't use any pancake mix. It's ridiculous.

You don't need pancake mix. It's pancakes or flour, a little baking soda, sometimes baking powder. I like to put a little baking powder, but you can put so many great things in it. You know, I'm experimenting now with goat cheese or bananas and a lot of fruits or sometimes some vegetables in there. I make a different pancake almost every day. And, of course, I have a three-year-old who loves pancakes and wakes me up and says, I want pancakes. But we try all kinds of different recipes. But we try all kinds of different recipes. This morning's was goat cheese, thyme, and raspberries with a little bit of vinegar and buttermilk.

So I make my own buttermilk with butter and vinegar. Wow. And then cinnamon and a touch of vanilla. Is your three-year-old like the reincarnated Jonathan Gold? He's a spoiled little shit is what he is. He doesn't appreciate it. I couldn't imagine being a kid and eating something with thyme in it at all. Even if it was on a savory dish.

I'm like, no. Corn pops, now. He doesn't know. He doesn't care. Well, very refined palate. Good for you. Pancakes. Do you have one tip for other than not using the mix? Like, is there, for instance, I've heard that when the bubbles start appearing, that's when you flip.

That's when you flip. Don't flip too much. Don't mix it too much. Because if you mix it, it's okay to have some lumps because if you mix it too much, it becomes too dense and it isn't fluffy. it becomes too dense and it isn't fluffy. Also, a good tip is separate your egg whites and beat the yolks and put them in and then beat the egg whites until they peak and then fold those in at the end, right before you put it on the grill. But don't beat it too much because it'll go flat. That's really fluffy pancakes. Wow.

Okay. You're all invited for breakfast. Yeah, that sounds incredible. And then for a topping, are you just going straight up syrup or what's your... Just syrup. Yeah, but real maple syrup. Yeah, real maple. Can't do Aunt Jemima. Yeah. Right. Or now it's called like the old Pearl Mill Company or something. Yeah. Right. Right. Or a good tip is cream, a little creamy peanut butter. Mix some creamy peanut butter in with the syrup and then a touch of vanilla in there, too. Fantastic. My God.

All right. I'm eating. Jesus. I'm sorry. I know. I'm coming over like 10 minutes ago, Tyler. I'm hungry. I have found that my kid, I have a three-year-old as well and a five-year-old.

And the stuff that used to work on me is like they're just like not into it. Like they don't like Jell-O, I just learned, because they were sick for a little bit. And like they were just like, oh, what? Why would I like Jell-O? They don't like Jell-O? What kid doesn't like Jell-O? I know. Your kids are weird.

Okay, good. LA kid. I just want to make sure it wasn't a, yeah. Hey, Tyler, does your kid eat Jell-O? I know. Your kids are weird. Okay, good. L.A. kid. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a... Yeah. Wait, Tyler, does your kid eat Jell-O? Or is he like, what am I, a pleb? We've never really had Jell-O. I can't say that we've had Jell-O, so I don't know.

Okay. But if you did, you would kill the cow and make your own Jell-O thing. Right, exactly. Right, right. It's out of bones. Just ground down bones. Right. Wait, what about pudding cups?

I feel like it doesn't, wouldn't a child, like pudding cup, in my mind, would be melted ice cream. Yeah, no, no, they like pudding. Oh, okay, but the Jell-O is just. But Jell-O was, we hadn't really fucked with Jell-O until they were sick. And I was like trying all the things that used to work on me. Yeah. When I was sick, like saltine crackers. I was like, loved a saltine cracker because, you know, I was starving and it was the only

thing my stomach would keep down. And not only did they not like it, but they like used it to create like impossible to clean up mess to like teach me a lesson. It was like to the size, like to the size of like glitter particles where it's like it's impossible to clean. Yeah. I'm kind of surprised Jell-O and pudding is still out there. Yeah. To the size of glitter particles. It's impossible to clean. I'm kind of surprised Jell-O and Pudding is still out there. Yeah.

After Bill Casby went to the jails. Yeah, I think they keep to snack pack. They have Swiss mists. They got their new ways of calling it whatever. Right. Nobody's putting in the Pudding Pops anymore. No, definitely not. What is something you guys think is overrated?

This is not a popular topic, but as a documentary filmmaker, I think is overrated is the Apple Get Back series on the Beatles that Peter Jackson did. Wow. Okay. Not because it's the Beatles. He's here to make enemies, not friends. I love the Beatles, and I love

the footage. I just think somewhere he's going to hate me and hear about this, but I think they handed it to the wrong person. I think that Peter Jackson shouldn't have done that documentary. I've only seen like clips and I'm not the biggest Beatles fan. I was like, okay, I get why people, if you

liked it or you're into the Beatles, you'd want to watch it. But as a documentarian, what could have been done better? Well, I think it was long and unwieldy and they played that line between people who love the Beatles and will watch anything because there are people who will watch anything of the Beatles. Right. That's like me and Star Wars stuff. Sure. But then they also put in a very simple and silly elemental thing at the beginning to explain who the Beatles are. Right.

You know, which is just, it was just stupid that they had to do that. And then they put eight hours of intense material of you in the studio. And look, that footage is fucking amazing. And the music is amazing and there's one moment when you're literally watching paul mccartney come up with let it be as if the muse is sitting on his shoulder and it's like watching you know picasso paint right it's remarkable and the third or the last episode is unbelievable but by and large it's just wieldy, over-wieldy, and long, and tiring, and trying to play two sides and poorly edited. But the third episode knocks it out of the park.

Oh, nice. That's the one I didn't get to, so I will watch that one then. But yeah, the first couple felt a little long. I was like, I think I get it, right? Right. You're like like i'm still here right right and that criticism you know i've tyler i'm a fan of your work man i've i i loved murder among the mormons and an honest liar and it's like i so i'm that's why i was like what tell me tell me where it could have gone different i mean i think what he did is he took advantage of the

fact that this is amazing footage and didn't need to cut it and didn't need to cut it back and just say i'm just going to show all of it which a lot of people would probably want that but you know that's why we have editors and i think you know peter jackson's a great filmmaker but sometimes his movies can be a little long and unwieldy as well yes i i recall i recall a film like a few of them actually it also might just be a bit of scorn from me as a documentarian, you know, who loves documentaries. Yeah, but why not? We work really hard to make documentaries. And a trend that we're seeing in the documentary space right now is giving documentaries to fiction filmmakers.

Right. And now it's actually, you know, fiction filmmakers are doing films like Edgar Wright and Questlove. And I forget his name that I just read today. So a lot of times we're seeing us as people who this is our trade being pushed out by people like Peter Jackson, who doesn't really need to make a documentary for God's sakes. Someone's got to give that guy a shot. Yeah. Getting all the good stuff. Did you feel the same way about the Velvet Underground documentary?

Oh, but that one was actually really clever and very interesting and unique. Todd Haynes did that. Yeah. I thought that was amazing. And he did use that to, you know, he brought something fantastic to that. And I appreciate that. Agreed. Liz, what is something that you think is overrated?

I'm going to go with coffee. Yeah, I know. I just ruined everybody's morning. Talk to us. You think mine was unpopular. I know. Yeah, I think coffee is overrated. I think matcha is underrated.

And I switched to matcha about five years ago. And I switched to matcha about five years ago and completely not to be what up, but it did completely change my life. And what sort of the, yeah, I mean, go off, be an evangelist for matcha really quick. What's the biggest difference or what's the benefit that you saw from going from coffee to matcha? Coffee, first of all, I don't know if, you know, everybody reacts differently to the caffeine in the coffee, but it just jittered me out, and I would get really high, and then I'd have that crash. And then, you know, you don't want to just keep chugging coffee all day long, right? And so it just made me anxious, and I didn't love it, but I do love that morning drink.

I'm like, my morning drink is, like, my thing. That's what I need to get going. And so I researched and I heard about matcha briefly and I started to make my own concoctions and this whole mushroom movement. You know, I don't know if you've heard about medicinal mushrooms. Yeah. I've been doing that for five years too. I've like experimented with all these different formulas, if you will. And the caffeine boost of matcha is way different. Like it sort of gets you up and it's like brain alertness. And it sort of keeps you at this level where you don't have that crash and you don't need another caffeine jolt for the rest of the day. It's super healthy for you. I felt like my skin changed. I'm not

even joking. Like my face totally changed. It has so many more health benefits than coffee. Damn. It's, it's, it's amazing. And you own a matcha company, right? Soon. That's on my, that's third on my to-do list. It's wild because in college I would, I could never like coffee didn't work cash i'm not really caffeine sensitive unless i drink a lot of caffeine but being japanese like my mom would always be like try like matcha for a second and i was like that's what you drink right right and then i drank it and then like i fucking like my eyes like widened and i was like oh shit this is very different uh but yes but it's funny i still

habitually will just kind of have a cold brew here and there. But I'm not as much of like a morning caffeine person. So I don't rely on it as much. I mean, I'm not ADD by, you know, diagnoses. But I do find I'm like in a lot of places a lot of times. And matcha definitely feels helps focus and just gets you there. It is. You know?

So try it, guys. maybe i'm coffee's good i might get some converters i actually love a taste of coffee i love like a latte taste but you can dress up matcha to make it delicious yeah did you have to experiment that the aroma the aroma of coffee reduces stress even among non-coffee drinkers. So every time... Yeah, it's true. Are we having a debate right now? A little bit, yeah. Are we going back and forth? Sounds like this is what the podcast is about now.

You know, I grew up Mormon, and coffee is verboten. Oh, that's right. It is a sin, a grievous sin to drink coffee in my religion when I was growing up. So now, when I have coffee, it's not just because it tastes good. There's still an illegality to it that just makes it taste a little bit better. So I will try your matcha, Liz, but I won't do it for Jesus. Right. Don't do it for Jesus. I can't imagine the Mormon church is that cool with matcha.

No, probably not. No, I don't think it's... What's caffeine? Yeah, but it's just such a loophole. I don't know, because it says you can't drink caffeine, strong drink. You can't drink hot beverages, but you can drink hot chocolate.

But then they say it's the caffeine, but they're fucking fine with Diet Coke, which has zero health benefits versus coffee. They're fine with Diet Coke? Yeah, oh man, Mormons drink their Diet Coke. Mountain Dew. That makes zero sense. I know.

Dude, Jack, you might be Mormon. I know, I might be Mormon. Mountain Dew and Diet Coke. But have you ever mixed them? That's when it's really, that's my matcha. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and hear what you guys think is underrated. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and hear what you guys think is underrated.

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Listen to Señora Sex Ed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And we're back. And Liz, on the break, you were saying that you're underrated as matcha, which makes sense. Right. I am now currently researching matcha, so will not be hearing anything else you guys say on this episode. Like, Miles, dude, you heard these Japanese tea ceremonies? I'm like, oh, fuck, Jack. You're like, dude.

Oh, God. It's got this bamboo whisk, man. I'm trying to do it like maybe your Obaachan would have. Those sound like me. I will say though, the whisk, I had to abort the whisk. Oh, you were doing it like that? Yeah. It just takes too long and it doesn't get the clumps out. So you do like the little milk frother is the best way to blend your matcha. Tyler, what's something you think is underrated? You know, underrated, it's silly, but sleep. Sleep is vastly underrated.

And I think people choose a lot of things over sleep. And as one who obsesses about sleep and has read every book there is about the benefits of sleep, because I don't sleep well and I wish I could sleep better. I just think we are as a society walking around as zombies and we're trading Netflix and Instagram for what we genuinely need, which is a good night's sleep. Yeah. I definitely feel that idea of the just aimless scroll in bed. Yeah. You know, a lot of people have said the psychology of that

is trying to reclaim hours of the day that felt like you were giving your attention to something else. So it's like a way to kind of recenter. But at the same time, it's just it's the worst thing for you because like to your point, it keeps you from going to sleep. And I've only like the last seven months tried to get really disciplined about like creating a proper time to sleep and like sticking to that because it i do feel the difference right yeah and i think there's elements of sleep like who doesn't wait you guys wake up at like three in the morning and can't go back to sleep does that happen to you guys i get i used to get that around like four like it would be like clockwork like just up and i'm like fuck and then i started like stretching more before bed I started

the other thing was like I would drink way too much later in the day so I'd always have to pee in the middle of the night and I realized like it's so much easier just peeing it's such a short yeah I know except sadly uh my partner she's not really into that anymore but like the idea of like really being able to like I it also went into my hydration where now I'm like I'm trying to get as hydrated as I need to be earlier in the day rather than like catching up at the end of the day. And also making like sleeping when it's colder has also made it easier for me to sleep. So two tips to that. One is you get in bed usually and then you read or you scroll through Instagram or whatever. But before you go to bed, pee one more time.

And you hate it because you're soft and you're in your bed and you don't want to get out again. Go one more time. That helps. But Tyler, you also have to get rid of blue screens. Yeah, blue screens. Yeah, I don't. At least an hour, at least an hour before bed.

But there's one thing that is about like waking up in the middle of the night and having researched this is called second sleep. Because we as humans, for most of our evolution, we didn't, you know, we, we didn't have lights. So you went to bed when it was dark and you woke up when it was light. And so what human beings essentially did is they would wake up late in the middle of the night, two, three in the morning, because you'd go to bed at five because you were sleeping in a cave, you know,

and it was winter where you're sleeping in a teepee or whatever it may be. And researchers put people in a room without clocks and without windows, and they found that they would wake up at two or three in the morning. And it was second sleep because that's what humans did. They'd wake up two in the morning. They'd stoke the fire. They'd have sex. They'd do whatever.

And then they'd go back to sleep. So what I've done, and this may not be the best advice for everyone, is when you do wake up at two in the morning or three in the morning, own it. Get up and do something. In fact, studies have shown that when you are in that state, a dreamlike state, you're actually incredibly creative. Your brain is still kind of dreaming and still not in the left brain or the right brain. So if you're a creative person, use it. Get up. Write. Read. Come up with ideas. Then go back to bed.

Don't stay up too late. But I've actually been embracing that. And it's actually helped me both to get sleep and also creatively. Nice. Yeah, my dad used to do that because he would wake up pretty like in the middle of the night too and it feels like a thing i've also inherited from him but yeah that's when he would i would always remember just him getting up and like starting to write or you know work on his art or something like that so i just like being in bed though there's something

about getting out of it i'm like god then i've lost but yeah it's getting better it's getting better i have a bad habit of when I have that waking up, I think that's where the witching hour came from is the time that everybody woke up in the middle of the night. But I always want to eat something. I'm always so hungry when I wake up in the middle of the night.

Really? Yeah, always. Okay, hungry bear. That was adorable. Thanks for calling me that. Hungry. All right. Well uh i feel like we've learned a lot about you guys we've learned a lot in general let's make ourselves a little bit dumber by talking about ted cruz because we've i mean this man is the king of the uh u-turn the king of spinelessness and he put on a real display in the past couple of days or at the end of last week, I guess.

knew everything they're like that's not true and he came out he's like yeah i'm lying sorry trump and you're like holy shit dude you committed this to a book and you're already out you're saying it's nonsense okay fine at fake news yeah your book is fake news well the thing the way they're that's not what i said exactly anyway so ted cruz has also found himself in the same place. He fucked up royally because he described the terrorist attack on January 6th as a terrorist attack. And Tucker Carlson lost his shit that night when like those words came out because he was labeled Ted Cruz, like this lib traitor sort of thing. And so this led Ted to come on tucker's show and you know do his like public mea culpa and he was basically just saying like you know torture me daddy when i come on the air and they make it right and he basically tucker carlson was like on his like hans landa like

christoph waltz's character and inglorious. That was like the way he starts off this appearance with Ted Cruz. And I'm going to play it because it's just it's something it's truly something else to watch. Ted Cruz have to eat his own hat and soul. So I guess what I mean, there are a lot of dumb people in the Congress. You're not one of them. I think you're smarter than I am. And you never use words carelessly. And yet you called this a terror attack when by no definition was it a terror attack. That's a lie. You told that lie on purpose. And I'm wondering why you did.

Well, Tucker, thank you for having me on when you aired your episode last night. I sent you a text shortly thereafter and said, listen, I'd like to go on because the way I phrased things yesterday, it was sloppy and it was frankly dumb. And I don't buy that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't buy that. Look, I've known you a long time since before you went to the Senate. You're a Supreme Court contender. You take words as seriously as any man who's ever served in the Senate. And every word you repeated that phrase, I do not believe that you use that accidentally. I don't it's so tucker as a result so that's just the taste right of where this thing's going he started off by going you're not a fucking idiot right i know that you're not an idiot so why the fuck would you say something so absurd and he goes on like every time ted

cruz says be like well what i meant was this. Like, I don't believe you. You meant like he was really putting him to the sword to make matters worse. Right. Ted Cruz, he's proven himself to not stand up to anything. Like even when Trump like completely ripped his wife on TV, like he was like, thank you. And in this instance, he comes on, gets owned by Tucker Carlson, and then he posted the clip to his own fucking YouTube channel because that's how like serious he was about getting the messaging out that he's like, I didn't. brings us to this idea of what like this you know trump our cult of personality around trump has become and how it's just gotten gaining more and more momentum we're seeing people who are holding office even coming on be like i'm dumb i'm sorry for saying that i am i am so ignorant i should go

now i'm just curious from you know tyler and liz like your perspective this feels very much like what you see right you speak the truth you disrupt the your perspective this feels very much like what you see right you speak the truth you disrupt the group's cognitive dissonance and then you get the fucking horns it's is it is is this pretty similar to like normal sort of uh cult behavior yeah normal cult behavior not normal life but yes normal cult behavior for sure I like the word normal cult behavior. Yeah, like standard practices. Standard. Well, even in that two seconds that we just heard, there's like two moments of gaslighting right out the gate. And public humiliation, which is a huge thing in cults.

Putting you on the stand, putting you in the hot seat, and then making you look at something quote unquote and then totally putting you on blast and getting the followers the rest of the people in the room which in this case is everybody that's watching that news program to go shame on you bad boy uh so even in that 30 seconds you just showed was there was a ton of cultic behavior going on. Yeah. Like, I don't know the way we kind of see this whole thing, like the evolve, you know, looking at it as a cult. Right.

There's like this new story that's come out where like Stephanie Grisham, the former like press secretary and a few other Trumpers who were in the administration, like 15 of them are saying like they're getting together to figure out how to take Trump down. I don't know if that's just for their own, you know, to soothe themselves so they can sleep at night or if it's serious. And Stephanie Grisham is saying like, we're looking to do things where we can message to Trump supporters so they can fully understand what Trump stands for and what his goals are. She's talking about going on like a speaking tour to like very heavily like districts with heavy Trump support to try and talk to people to explain things.

Good luck. That doesn't seem like a viable tactic. Good luck. That's all I have to say. Good luck. Because you can't. You can't do that. You're what the sad thing about when people are in cults is once their brainwashing has taken ignited and the indoctrination has ignited.

You can't speak rationally to them. It doesn't matter how many facts you lay out and go, you know, this thing he said was completely, you know, was a complete lie and completely irrational. And here are 15 to 500,000 things to back up the truth. It doesn't matter because the justification and the manipulation of whatever the lie is being spewed by the cult leader is so strong that they're always going to find a way to justify it. Like look at Doomsday, all the Doomsday cults that happen. Doomsday never happens. But yet, these people will stay in the cult after that because the goalpost moves and there's some stupid, right, stupid sounding explanation for it from the outsiders. But internally, they're like, oh, I guess it was our fault.

Yeah, we weren't right with the blank. So it's really hard. Yeah, we weren't right with the blank. Right. So it's really hard. That tactic, sadly, is a really uphill battle, man. It sounds like what they say in Scientology, where squirrels are people who used to be Scientologists who then want to start shit outside of it. And it seems like people who, even if they were part of the in-group, once they leave, there's no, you're like, your identity is set in the eyes of the people that are still followers. Like, it's just like, oh, you're like, I have nothing to say to you because you're not even one of us.

And that's one of the main tactics of cults is to, when you leave, and people say, what is a cult versus a church or whatever, maybe. Typically, what it is is amongst the many things. One of them is when you leave that said group, the cult cuts you off. You're no longer believing. We don't talk to you. We don't associate with you. You know, it's not like that with most groups. And I do think the Republican Party, the modern day Republican Party, the extremists of it especially, has that same tactic. The other side, they're evil, they're wrong, we're elite, which is cult tactic number one. We are chosen, we are the best, we are going to heaven, we are

the only ones who have the keys to the kingdom, and everyone else is wrong. And everyone else and their messages are wrong, and don't watch them, don't read them, don't listen to them, because they are wrong. And not only are they wrong, but what they're sending you is harmful. And I think that's very common. We had a guest on one of our episodes not too long ago, Janja Lolic, and she's a cult expert. And she talked about modern day cults. And she said that, you know, it used to be that cults were a place. You'd go to a commune.

You'd go to a church. You'd see the leader. She said, modern day, especially exacerbated by the pandemic, modern day cults, people don't ever need to see each other. One of them can be in Kansas and another one can be in Colorado. And there's no leader. There's no ideology. The ideology is the leader, rather. And there's no leader. There's no ideology. The ideology is the leader, rather.

And so they kind of can glom onto anything. And that's what I think we're seeing nowadays. Or the leader can be just a letter in the alphabet. Right. With no face and no name. But Q. And maybe some guy named Ron. I do feel it. Who knows?

Yeah. When it comes to Q, I am wondering how long it'll take for Trump to just openly kind of identify as the leader, because I do think that in the time since he's been in office, like the lesson he's learned or seems to have learned over and over again is like anybody who was like advising him to pump the brakes on anything is was wrong got the boot at least you can you can back channel this from the day he got inaugurated that i don't i can't even remember these people's names because they're so far from our lexicon now but anybody that in the beginning you can see it right away one person you know has one opinion against what he was saying and fired next day fired next day, fired next day, fired. Yeah. Like Rex Tillerson or like H.R. McMaster.

Thank you. Yeah. And that's why you have the Ted Cruz's left today who are just paralyzed by fear. Like, I don't want to go away. I don't want to. I want to stay in the cool kid. I want to be with the cool kids. And they'll backtrack.

I want to be with the cool kids and they'll backtrack. They won't. Ted Cruz is not coming up with his own opinions, his own rational thought he did for a moment. And then you saw what happened. Right. And then he had to perform for the group to say, I, I haven't lost my way.

I'm sorry. I'm deeply sorry. I was stupid in that moment. As you said, like it was quite frankly dumb. It makes them back away. And instead, it's been used to just normalize that behavior more and more and like add people to the cult. Yeah, that's a great that's a great way to put it. The normalization of really not OK behavior is a huge thing in cults. Right. Well, because it's been an inversion. Right. Because actually,uary 6th was the righteous people doing the correct thing while the federal government was trans were the transgressors in that moment so

they've completely re-artiller reformatted it recontextualized it to say no we were that was the morally correct thing to do and we're and that seems to be the message that keeps getting reinforced so right when you have people come out and be like it's terrorist because ted cruz made his he tried to make a point he's like well i don't think assaulting police officers is something that we should like it should happen that's bad right those people should go to jail and tucker carl's like of course but are they terrorists and then it's like whoa here we go to semantic i mean right it would seem you would you would think that Tucker as a conservative talking head. So one other question that I just want to get you guys thoughts on is just like in the broad scope of American cults. I think I think cult kind of evokes in people's minds in common with like the Taiping Rebellion and like Nazi Germany than those things, like just in terms of the kind of blurring of the line between political party and cult. Like what how do you guys think about like those those historic examples as as cult?

I mean, dictators use cult-like tactics throughout history. We're the best country. We're number one. We're the only ones that are good. Block everyone else out. And there's also in many cults, especially Christian-based cults, it's a strong warring factor. Pick up your sword. You know, fight to get into heaven.

There's a lot of cults that actually have that. We are soldiers. So this January 6th thing was, we are soldiers. We are fighting for this cult that we believe is right. A lot of violence is actually doomsday violence and blood and going to hell and fire. A lot of violence is inset in cults. And the same thing with dictators throughout history. It's just, it's the same kind of tactics. And I think Trump was doing the same thing, using those same dictator slash cult leader tactics, which usually nine times out of 10 are ego, just very egocentric individuals. Ego, just very egocentric individuals. And I don't care if you support Trump or not. And sociopathic and narcissistic. I don't care if you support Trump or not.

You can't deny that the guy has an ego. He has a massive ego. And he, you know, most cult leaders have a strong ego. Right. Yeah, I think it's fair to say that there are political cults. There are cults that exist within political parties, even in America, to try to say it's a cult of person. Like, let's just call it what it is, right? Like, I think people try to get around the word cult instead of understanding the psychology of cult. Once you understand that, you can see it very clearly in all areas, especially politics. And I think the difference between a political party and a cult is the, it's always, it all goes back to the leader. Right. So who's leading that party and how are they leading it?

Right. Yeah. I mean, we'll still probably endorse Trump as a podcast, but. Yeah. Yeah. He's, I mean, we don't want to, we want to be at the cool kids table. Yeah. Come on.

You know, that guy rocks. You know, the thing about people who are in cults and, you know, we talk about cults and what they are and they're all over the place. And sometimes they can be churches. Sometimes they can be religion. Sometimes it can be political. But by and large, and I'll even put Q into this in some aspects, people who join cults are idealistic in many options. They want to go to heaven. They want to better themselves. They want to lose weight. They want to live on a commune and grow wheat.

They want to make America great again. Right. And they do. They genuinely believe they're trying to make America great again. And so this idealism is actually what leads people into this. And cult leaders use that. Yeah, they prey on that. You know, it's that or it's there's something in their life that isn't working. And then somebody comes along and goes, I see you. I've got the solution to everything you've ever thought was wrong. And I know you've known something was

wrong. That's how I know what I'm going to tell you is going to really resonate. So listen up. Yeah. And it's usually them. It's someone else. It's the, it's the brown skin person or the women or the liberals or someone else, or the, you know, the people that you aren't like that are making problems for you. Um, but I have the answers. That's a cult tactic. One-on-one. I alone have the answers. That's a cult tactic 101. I alone have the answers. I alone can save you. I am the leader that can take you to heaven or you can lose weight or you can be a better actor or you can do whatever cult leaders profess. And these idealisms, these idealistic people who are a lot of times just vulnerable sign on and want to be told. We do want to be told we do want to be told we do want to listen to somebody

who tells us what to do and what to believe by and large right yeah is like when you kind of look at sort of the you know america like our you know the cults that are popping up in america especially like as it relates to like right-wing extremism do you see any hope for deprogramming or for whatever to happen? Or what do you think, or how do you think this plays out? Because I think from our perspective, like, it looks like they're all in on complete and total destruction of the country without maybe articulating that. Yeah, the sad part about that, in my opinion, is that it's not like these extreme cults haven't existed for years. Unfortunately, they've, because of, you know, a certain human, have been brought into the mainstream now. And so we're just faced with it a lot more.

And unfortunately, because of that, they've recruited, you know, a lot more Americans and their base has grown. And that's what we're up against. And not to be Debbie Downer, but it's going to be a while for these people to deprogram. It's not going to be easy. There's an element of many times among cults that want the doomsday. They want that. They're looking forward to it because we're right. We're going to go to heaven.

The rest of the world is going to be burned and we're going to be right. We're saved. Right. You're not. Right. Exactly. And I think there's still an element in extreme measures of the Republican Party that want that. I think one thing that has helped and hurt, and there are more cults today.

People think cults were in the 70s, you know, moonies and airports. But there are more cults today than ever. Because of the internet. Because of the internet. The internet is a huge recruitment breeding ground and it's super can i say effort yeah it's super fucking dangerous because you know we're getting false information left and right and you get a doctor to tell you i'm a doctor and so listen to me and then somebody goes well the doctor said that and then all of a sudden they're off to the races and so you're not handing out mimeographed tracks at airports

you know you're reaching millions of people i feel like the 70s gets the cult rep because a lot of that those cults were like associated with like left-wing politics and that's like something that americans are the american like kind of shared consciousness is allergic to. And so like that, that stands out. But then when the cults are like focused on like white male domination, like they're kind of okay with it. Or at least it's not as, doesn't stick out as much. The 60s had a lot of cults because of that left, left peace, love, commune, hippie. We love each other.

Children of love. Let's all, you know, I mean, Jonestown started as a wonderful endeavor, a church that actually embraced black people and their flock. It just got a little, you know, went a little off course. Got a little suicidal. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. And that was all. But that suicidal. Yeah. Just a little bit. Yeah. And that was all, you know, narcissism and, you know, just his ego just got away. Right.

And that's what happens. Co-leaders surround themselves with people and yes men, and they get further and further away from the real world and reality. Well, you actually become a yes man, but I don't want to get too deep into how the manipulation and indoctrination happens. But that was also, you know, a lot of that is also was a reaction to something, right? That was a reaction to Vietnam and war and violence. And so all these cults presented is free love. We're the opposite of that. And there was a whole community of humans going, that's what I want.

And that's sort of what's happening now, right? On the flip side, to some extent. Yeah. Yeah. If they don't completely control the country, it'll be like how we people talk about like old hippies in the neighborhood. It's like, who lives up there? It's like these old hippies, man. Yeah, exactly.

They just live right up there. And then like 50 years later, who are those? Like these old cute people, man. Those old cute people, yeah. Yeah, exactly. They just go right up there. And then, like, 50 years later, who are those, like, these old cute people, man? Those old cute people, yeah. Yeah, that would be wonderful. But, yeah, if we can, that's, like, our best case scenario. We'll get there.

I mean, I do think we'll get there. It's going to happen. The good, the silver lining with all cults is they eventually destruct. Whether the leader dies or something happens,

they eventually do destruct. It just takes a while sometimes. I mean, what it comes down to is a lot of times they just keep saying and projecting and saying this is going to happen and this is going to happen and doomsday is going to happen and all these things.

And they just don't. They don't happen. And if you see that with Q, I mean, their projections, their predictions, they're what, like 0 for 80 on their projections? Right. So eventually people are just going to go. But that doesn't seem to bother people, right?

You would think so. You would think it doesn't. They shed some people, but not like at a rate that you would expect. Because when I look at like some of those Telegram channels and you hear people being like, well, what the fuck? Like, are we getting fucked over? Like, are we getting duped? We're good out of here. I didn't know any better.

Right, right, right right i was the sucker right kind of ruined my life for this but like that's why i brought up the examples of mass political movements that operated like cults like the taiping rebellion which is like the largest the deadliest civil war in human history history was based around a guy who claimed he was Jesus' brother, reincarnated, and got 20 million people killed in Nazi Germany, I think most people are familiar with. Well, no, this is America, actually. I don't think many people are on Earth, apparently.

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Our writer, J.M. McNabb, kind of gave us a canvassing of the movies that took place in 2022. I love this because this felt like a common year in movies, like 2022, like not 2020. Right. 2022 felt like, no, we're not hack. Right. We're thinking a little bit more about this. Yeah. Like, it's like, no, we're not, we're not hack.

Right. We're thinking a little bit more about this. Yeah. So one that I definitely rented when I was a teenager was No Escape starring Ray Liotta. Yep. About a penal colony run by a corporation. You know, it seems to have foresaw private prisons, even though, like, I guess they already existed back then. private prisons, even though like, I guess they already existed back then, but they really grew from that point to, you know, very recently when they became sort of outlawed. But I think No Escape was the one where they had the necklaces that made your head explode. Is that? I think so.

Yeah. And that was definitely like, I don't know if it's like half Australia. Cause like, whoa, what if it was like a penal colony? It's like an Island where these dudes go and they kill each other. I remember being like watching the movie. And that was like the first time I noticed, like there were no women in a movie. I was like, whoa, there's only guys in this movie.

Like I remember having this, it was like, I, most of the time I'm seeing things that at least showed that were women in it. But that was like a, I don't know. know that's that's when i became a feminist right but when i when i made that realization in 1994 i had this confused with something a different movie so i have not seen no escape oh you haven't oh you'd love it yeah it sounds like it i mean it was so it was my favorite action star so it does sound it had er Ernie Hudson, I remember, Johnny Drama, like a young Kevin Dillon.

Damn. Yeah, it's a very... It's a movie that does not hold up at all when you start watching it again. There's a straight-to-video Mark Hamill vehicle called Time Runner about a guy from the future sent back to stop a invasion of alien shapeshifters in 2022 who disguised themselves as humans so it's like they saw titanic and body snatchers and were like okay what if now wait listen to me for a second here but the the tagline was literally a new kind of terminator intones the movie trailer over a theme that is a sound alike ripoff of the Terminator.

Really, in case that wasn't clear to you. I love a blatant ripoff. Like, to be like, I don't know, man, enough people might get duped by this to think it's the other film they think they're renting. Like, when I see, like, there's like a Fast and Furious ripoff that was like, Fury like fury drivers. And like the subtitle was like, they're furious and fast. And you're like, Oh, okay. They're fastly furious. Probably the most popular of all is the first purge movie was set in 2022. So, Oh, yeah.

See that. Okay. Good boy. Yeah, maybe there. Yeah. Just I long for the times when our projections of this era were like slightly more shiny and fun, like San Angeles and Demolition Man. That's what I'll always reference. What year was San Angeles? What year was Demolition Man? I feel like that one. I think it's 2020 or 2024 or something like that. Okay. Yeah. We'll all celebrate that time.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. Well, there's, there've been a few write-ups about like, well, where are we now in San Angeles? Like, oh no, 2032. So we got a little bit of time. We got some time until the franchise bell i'm looking at you i'm watching you guys making moves you haven't 10 years to win

the franchise wars and then uh soylent green the 1973 charlton heston movie about it's just a hellish future there's overpopulation. There's inequality. Have you guys heard about this stuff? You remember when people thought we'd have a problem with inequality? What's that? I've seen it on a bumper sticker. Yeah.

And then there's one corporation that rules them all, not named Amazon, but does produce a food stuff called Soylent that is revealed at the end is made of people. Yummy. Spoiler.

It's not matcha, but it's pretty good. It does explicitly pinpoint climate change as one of our major problems before that was, you know, widely seen as like bring about the end times. There's a ton of income inequality and surging homelessness. But, you know, we haven't started eating each other. I feel like that one you're giving people too much of an imagination. The eating each other? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It brings the cult full circle you know the republicans are thinking maybe if we eat the democrats oh boy i mean yeah eat the rich completely goes the other way right eat the libs please you got good thigh meat i mean the main thing is that it just isn't

profitable like it doesn't make sense as a business model. And like that's the reason it doesn't make sense is like humans are like you can find other things to serve to people as Soylent, which is, in fact, something that somebody has done. There is a company called Soylent and some of their products are literally green but they are uh mint chocolate chip flavored i have not had it it's fucking it feels like you're in like a space prison yeah well that's what they feed you you know what i mean like it's because the whole thing like i remember it being marketed like nah man people don't got time to eat they just need to drink this a couple of these bottles and you got all your fucking nutrients that you need and like remember because that was like the whole like work ourself i mean we're still sort of in that

mentality of working yourself to death so nobody has time to breathe or eat yeah optimizing the eating process right i remember trying and being like this is so fucking just just tastes like grandma paste with like a hint of vanilla. You guys have any movies that when you look outside at the direction the world is headed that you feel like might have been, whether they are set in the future or not, that you feel like might have been onto something? You know, I think one that was way ahead of its time

and has gotten a lot more attention of late is Network. The Sidney Lumet film written by Patty Chayefsky in 1976, which well in advance predicted the entertainment-ism of news, but also reality television and, you know, putting odd screaming prophets on the airwaves to opinionize. I think that film, which A, is an amazing movie if you haven't seen it. And if you have seen it, it's even better on the second or in my case, like the 10th viewing. Every single year I watch that film, I absolutely love it.

That one, I think, really saw our future as media and content and television. Are we in the matrix i think that's an important question to ask i've yeah i tried jumping over a garbage can yesterday and i tripped over and busted my ass so i don't i certainly haven't developed my matrix skills but doesn't mean i'm not trying i feel like the running man we're pretty close like the running man type of stuff too it's like yeah man get prisoners to fucking die and we'll like watch it on tv because right now it's already being used as like you know slave labor so like when's the next like when are they

gonna have like ultimate fighting when like logan paul fights like three inmates or something but he gets like a chainsaw i feel like they were like the spectacle of like violent conflict is like it's it's slowly being more commodified in weird ways not that i think we'll get precisely there but i mean that film was set between 2017 and 2019 they're running so i'm gonna really up the uh intellectual level with this one but here we go the jetsons man we are about to become the Jetsons. Like, we're going to fly through the sky to get to work eventually. Yeah. I think we're still a little late on the Jetsons, though, unfortunately. I don't know.

I mean, like, they've got that taxi, that helicopter taxi system going on in, is that Milan? I mean, they had a lot of robots in that, too. They had the wisecracking robots. Yeah, we're far from her. Yes. Not too far. Not too far. I think we're headed for the Flintstones. Fucking blew your

minds, didn't I guys? I've always wanted to exercise when I drive, so. Yeah. Right, exactly. And have feet so calloused that you couldn't even imagine what they feel like on the bottoms. Well, guys, it's been such a pleasure having you on the show. Where can people, first of all, hear you and also follow you and read you and all that stuff? Yeah.

Well, we're, you know, we do a podcast called Was I in a Cult? And it is a documentary. On the same network as you guys. That's right. It is a documentary style podcast that features individuals who have left, were in, and left cults. And Liz and I, you know, we talk to these individuals. It's very documentary. It's very stylized with archival and music. a levity in it every once in a while because otherwise it would be 45 minutes of suicide and abuse and brainwashing and neglect and confinement but the show is up it's uplifting

it's meant to be hopeful and inspiring and to show how resilient we are as humans and all the things we can overcome we don't have to live in our trauma right and as jack pointed out you know talk you keep it light talk about about people. Fuck team man. Right. Exactly. So it's not all doom and gloom. That's your, I'm sorry to do that by the way.

I just, I thought that would appeal to our audience. Yeah. It's a great line. It's a great, it's a great episode. It's a crazy episode about a woman, a cult in which Liz actually was in, an acting cult.

Young actors who come to Hollywood with dreams of being an actor and some crazy acting teacher. Became a cult leader. Became a cult leader. Yeah. A self-help guru. Ha ha ha. But yeah, so you can find our show wherever you get your podcasts. It's Was I in a Cult?

you can find our show wherever you get your podcast it's was i in a cult and you can also follow us on instagram because we are aspiring call leaders ourselves and we want as many followers as we can get so our handle is at was i in a cult tyler is at tyler me some personally i'm at the iacuzzi that's like jacuzzi with an I. And find us, talk to us, reach out to us. If you have your own cult experience, that's where we get all of our amazing guests. So reach out. We'd love to hear from anybody. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? You know, last night I watched something that Stephen Colbert did,

Abor Rent, which is this amazing parody of Rent 365,000 Minutes about the January 6th insurrection, which just launched last night. It's genius. Oh, nice. My friend just sent me this.

I don't think this episode is of this week, but Jordan Klepper's anti-vax video. Oh, yeah. He goes and interviews- Is that in LA? Yeah, he goes and interviews all the spiritual anti-vaxxers here in Los Angeles. Yeah. Los Angeles. And it tickles my little heart when he's like, and she's like, well, I usually like,

I just listened to the, the earth and the stars. And I actually was talking to my cat and my, and he goes, do you often get medical advice from a cat? And it's fantastic. If you want to go see how dumb Los Angeles people are. Yeah,

exactly. Check it out. Yeah, the woo-woo anti-vax crowd is like the... And she's like, I just don't think you're getting it. I must go. And he's like, okay, well. Okay. Let us know what your cat tells you about flu-rona.

Right. Aye, aye, aye. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at miles of gray and also if you like 90 day fiance i waste my breath on that other show 420 day fiance with sophie alexandro just getting high talking about 90 day some tweets i like first one is from caleb heron uh at caleb says things uh tweeted cigarettes don't even get you high right right? Like they're literally just for cancer.

Interesting take. Another one is from Jarrett Weiselman. Jarrett says, you know, Britney Spears posted some pictures where she was like nude, but like covering herself up with emojis and people like, what is she doing? And like all this backlash. Jarrett tweeted, Britney Spears being able to do whatever the hell she wants was the entire point of this. Just reminding people about that outrage.

Yeah. I also had the Caleb tweet. I also liked one from Ali Make Tweet. Tweeted, COVID sucks. I miss the days when you could travel. A year ago, I was in D.C. with some friends I met online touring a government building. ago i was in dc with some friends i met online touring a government building and noah garfinkel tweeted can't believe i pity the fool is mr t and not shakespeare and finally fidar leas fidar leas i think it's fidar leas fidar leas tweeted met an old guy

with no bank account when i asked him why he didn't have one he said I just never got into that shit wow legend you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram

we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist. instagram we have facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy and sorry i've been trying to stifle laugh because i also saw one that i liked from January 6th that, for whatever reason, I just have to read it to you. Dan Sheehan tweeted, One year ago today, democracy got its heckin' snoop-booped. That just made me laugh.

Oh, man. All right, Miles, what song? Let's go out on a track, a cover. Everybody knows Barry White's i'm gonna love you just a little more baby uh sampled a lot but this version from kelly patterson is just it's so it's like lighter because it's not as like yeah i'm horny and very white it's got just uplifting the instrumental still honoring the same instrumental but it's just a little more lighter a little more disco so this is i'm gonna love you just a little more lighter, a little more disco. So this is I'm Going to Love You Just a Little More Baby by Kelly Patterson.

So go find that and get your vibes up on this Monday. All right. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning, but we're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending. And we'll talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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