The Daily Zeitgeist - Crypto Bros Dune It Wrong, The End Of Presidential Debates 1.20.22

Episode Date: January 20, 2022

In episode 1067, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and host of Creature Feature Katie Goldin to discuss It’s that the debates are biased!, Trump Investigation: No Surprises, Chamber of Commerce doesn’t care about voting rights, it’s about protecting capital, Big Picture Gains for the Good Guys? Or MSM Still Misunderstanding Dynamics of Leftism / Populism / Democrats?, The “Crypto Bros Spending 3 Million on a Dune Book” Saga is Somehow More Entertaining Than Dune and more! N.Y. Attorney General Outlines Pattern of Possible Fraud at Trump Business New York AG says Trump’s company misled banks, tax officials Manchin and Sinema Defend the Filibuster Because the Filibuster Defends Corporate Power Big Picture Gains for the Good Guys? Or MSM Still Misunderstanding Dynamics of Leftism / Populism / Democrats? Populist politics lost support globally during the pandemic, research finds Crypto Losers Buy Copy Of Jodorowsky's Dune, Have Played Themselves Alejandro Jodorowsky's Dune, the holy grail storyboard book of Moebius's drawings for the unmade 1970s epic, goes up for auction Jodorowsky's Dune Book Sells for a Sand Worm-Sized Amount of Money DAOs and the Next Crowdfunding Gold Rush Turns Out the Crypto Bros Who Bought Jodorowsky's Dune Book Aren't Sure How Rights Work Follow: @KatieGoldinListen: Organic Rust by Alfa Mist Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ah. Is that what we would be in another era, Miles? Disc jockeys? Yeah, we absolutely would be. I feel like there wouldn't have been a way for... I feel like you had to have, like, a cool voice. I don't fit that. Well, you could perform one.

You know what I mean? Right. It's like that bit, like, in Wayne's World 2, where they meet, like, Harry Shearer, who's the DJ. He's like, hey, how you doing? And they're like, what the fuck? That's real? It's about what you hear, baby.

Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Alex Jones Drinks Pee. You know that fool's piss got a smell. That is courtesy of Christy Yamaguchi, man. Short and sweet and gross and yeah shout out to that man i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles we're in lockdown but i go out again those vaccines not gonna make me frown i just go out even though there's a lockdown and they will never make me frown. Let me let me get to the part that's really good so I can kill this part. He drinks a pee pee drink.

He drinks a pee pee drink. He drinks a pee pee drink. He drinks a pee pee drink. He sings the songs that remind him of his friends lives. He sings the songs that remind him of his backslides. Oh, Jackie boy, pushing the vax away, drinking my pee all day. And shout out to Johnny Davis for that tub thumping, aka, and also Bill on the Discord with just a little touch ups on the side, I see.

That was great work. That was a symphony. I mean, he drinks a pee-pee drink. Just say that four times. Yeah. That fucking thumped some tub. That's the only way to describe that shit. Thank you, man.

Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat from all the way across the pond. One of the funniest comedy writers doing it anywhere she is the creator and writer behind birds rights activist on twitter and writes for the amazing youtube show some more news uh with cody johnson she studied psychology and evolutionary biology at a school in boston and uses her educational background to host the podcast creature feature where you learn all the weirdest shit you didn't know you wanted to know about various creatures, including the weirdest and grossest creature of all mankind. Please welcome the brilliant, the talented Katie Golden. Thank you. I wish I had a peace song.

I know. That is one thing that America is brimming with right now. We've got a bumper crop of pee-based songs and ideas. We're just, you know, we're drinking our own piss over here. How are you? Good, good. Yeah, yeah. How are they handling the pandemic in Italy Yeah, yeah, it's a real... How they handling the pandemic in Italy, not telling people to drink pee?

Yeah. You guys have fountains over there. You have like those little baby fountains with the water coming out of there. Oh, like little cherubs doing pee? Oh, you mean that famous one, the piss boy? I don't think it's called the piss boy. Nah, that's right. Is that right? It translates the piss boy? I don't think it's called the piss boy. Nah, that's right. It translates to piss boy.

It's called il bambino piss. I don't know if that's Italian. Is that Italian? I know bambino is. I think it's Belgian. I think that's Belgian. Anyways, y'all got statues. My Flemish ain't that good these days.

One of them has a penis. I'm just pitching here, but maybe an upgrade to the David would be a little fountain coming out of this pee-pee. I could pee out Limoncello. On to all the people who come to gather at the base of the statue. They would be so surprised. Classy. Does the David have a a hand what's his other arm doing does it is it kind of flopping it could hold like a it could definitely hold like a glass a fresh glass of limoncello i think yeah oh because right one hand is kind of like on the shoulder right and the other one's like down like this and it's just pissing that famously the david like when you get up really close up up high you see that like there's all

this vascularity that represents like how the human body would react in a time of great stress because it's supposed to be the david right uh david right before he fights Goliath. Is that right? Yeah. It's that David, right? Yeah. And so he's really scared. That's also why his pee-pee's a little shrunk down. He's heading in a little bit. Yeah. Do you know what else happens when you're really scared? Sometimes you pee-pee. You go a little pee-pee.

Sometimes you poo-poo and pee-pee. You know, when you're scared. I'm saying the only reason that the David doesn't have a p stream coming out is because the technology wasn't available yet i think it was though you know we had aquifers right yeah michelangelo do better man try harder bro yeah i honestly had i would have said michelangelo but i just didn't know which ninja turtle it was that sculpted that i the ninja yeah how what's the vibe over in uh italy like these days uh well people are pretty

nervous about omicron because it is spiking quite a bit. So they have announced new restrictions. So like you have to have the super green pass, not just the green pass, but the super green pass. And that is the you have to have a green pass that shows that you have been vaccinated. green pass that shows that you have been vaccinated and that is your ticket into things like public transportation and restaurants and so on yeah discotheca yes exactly bibliotheca discotheca all the all the all the italian hot spots Yeah. Wait, what's super green, though? That you're, like, boosted or something? What's the level?

What makes it a level? The green pass allowed you to do a COVID test and show, like, a negative COVID test. I think the super green pass, you do have to be vaccinated. Yeah. That, or I think it's a shorter period of time that the COVID test is valid for. it's a shorter period of time that the COVID test is valid for. But yeah, so they do check to make sure, you know, you're maybe less icky to make sure before you go into public spaces. You're also required to wear a mask outdoors right now.

And yeah, but it's nice. So what's that? What is that like living in fear, wearing that diaper on your face? Well, the face diapers do come in fun colors. They're very, like, you can get, like, I got some purple ones. Yeah, I bet. But, you know, before you dunk on the U.S. What I bet it's probably harder to get an at-home test than it is tickets to the Champions League final, huh?

It's funny you mention that, Miles. It's especially weird, given that we just talked about this before recording. I can't believe you forgot about it. Yeah, it's the weed. Yeah, no, it is actually pretty easy to get a COVID test. They're just like, I was in the US over the holidays and it was really hard to find COVID tests.

And then I come back here and go into the pharmacy expecting to like have to argue with the pharmacist to get one. And they just have a huge bin full of COVID tests. They're just throwing them at you. What the fuck? Yeah. Meanwhile, people are knife fighting over four free ones from the postal service. You probably have to like wait in a long line and there's

bureaucrats. Anyways, more on that later. I don't like this answer. They were raining down. They were kind of tossing them around, just like they toss around big chunks of Parmesan. You have the big wheels. That can kill you. So maybe it's not as safe as you think. Exactly. Big wheels of Parmesan. Right.

Yeah. How suddenly we become just fierce nationalists. Yeah, it's probably not that great anyway, man. I mean, come on. If you're going to get mistreated anywhere, it's got to be the U.S. Right. Yeah. Wow, she's coming for our turf, bro. She's coming for us.

I do admit that U.S. pizza is better than Italian pizza. I'm sorry. Oh, my. It is true. No, it's true. I love that. It's very sad, but true. I mean, that's to be expected.

It's a gluttonous thing that we've made millions and millions and millions of. It seems like we should be good at that at this point. Yeah. All right. Well, Katie, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to talk about how the debates are biased. Thank you, RNC.

We're going to talk about the Trump investigation and like financial shit that I've seen people be like, oh, he's, she said fraudulent, he's in trouble. And it just, I don't know. I'll get interested when a defense attorney is like, yeah, no, they're fucked. But as of right now, it just seems like, you know, he's going to get away with it because we're built on a system of getting away with it by rich people. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the Chamber of Commerce, who is the rail force holding up voting rights. And there's some polling that is sort of offers a contrast between the U.S. and how we've reacted to the pandemic and other countries. And so I just want to get Katie's thoughts on that, interrogate that lie, big lie a little bit.

Mamma mia. Right. Yeah. And then talk about spicy meatballs at least once or twice. And then we're going to talk about Cryptoos spending three million dollars on a dune book that there's a interesting saga behind behind all this book yeah i mean that shit sounds cool i remember it just sounds cool i only know of yodorovsky's dune because of like this one guy my friend alex who always talked about it and i'm like it's a movie he's like no that's the thing.

I'm like, why are we talking about this? I mean, he wanted to make a prestige TV series before such things existed. He wanted to make a 14-hour long Dune movie scored by Pink Floyd. Would have been cool, but he failed to realize that that medium did not exist yet. All of that, plenty more. But first, Katie, we do like to ask our guests,

what is something from your search history? Yeah. Horus monkey feral dogs. I can explain. Okay. I think that's pretty self-explanatory. Horus monkey? That's pretty self-explanatory. Horace monkey? Yeah, Horace monkey feral dogs. Okay. You know, it's a prog metal band. No, it's a, there's a vervet monkey named Horace who is in a animal rescue sanctuary in Zimbabwe. in Zimbabwe. And I was looking up a story about how Horace, the vervet monkey, grooms this pack of feral dogs because they have these dogs that were kept as like guard dogs in their sanctuary. And so

they were mistreated. So they're really kind of unfriendly and aggressive. And Horace would patiently, slowly introduce himself to this dog pack. He started out grooming this elderly dog named Isabella, who let him groom her. And then sooner or later, like all the other dogs, realized, hey, all Horace wants to do is pet us and groom us and get all the ticks and stuff off us. And then soon they were all lining up to get a spa treatment from horace and now he's part of the dog pack that rolls the horse is even grooming cats too i'm looking at these pictures horace's pet grooming is a boom industry this is just a fucking smart monkey part of the great resignation man he's doing it on his own man he used to work at a pet co yeah he's doing it independently i just got a viral one of those clickbait ads

it was like how this monkey made a hundred thousand dollars starting his own grooming business wait so how did you where did you because this seems like this is a story that's been going on for a few years now like the attention on horus what did you is this a thing that you just thought you're like oh what i need to check i had a dream a premonition no it was for i was researching for the podcast i was looking for uh fun stories from 2021 and i found there's this smithsonian channel tv series called amazing animal, which is just exactly what it sounds like. Yeah. Monkeys befriending dogs, dogs befriending zebras. It's great. I love it. Is there a animal like interspecies friendship that like not just like a one off, but like just that that tends to happen that you is like number one animal like partners in the wild that you're a fan of.

Is it is it Horace and his grooming service? I mean, that's more of a that seems like more of a one off. But there are animal friendships in the wild that happen more often than than just of a fluke. Like badgers and coyotes sometimes work together in hunting. And there's, of course, that viral clip of a very excited coyote jumping around and this badger just kind of waddling along. But they'll hunt together because the badger can dig out like prairie dogs and other burrowing little rodents. And then meanwhile, the coyote can chase them once they pop out of the hole. So basically, they kind of trap the rodents.

So there's only two ends to a hole, so they got to come out of one of them. And do they share after, like, hey, good work, badger. Here's your cut, the ass end of it. Here's your cut, and it's like like a prairie dog ass yeah they that would be really cute they don't it's more that the the prairie dog or whatever rodent really only has two choices of exit and there's either a badger or a coyote on the end of it so one of them's gonna get fed and oh okay so sometimes it'll be like nah fuck it i'll just take my chances with the badger right exactly exactly so you know 50 50 chance is there sorry real quick question on this specific instance is it like a is

it like a stakeout because the prairie dog can like stay in but probably only stay in for so long do they stake out the hole like waiting for it to come out and like smoke cigarettes well the badger can actually yeah the badger can dig up the hole so the prairie dog's gonna start freaking out and try to escape the other end because it's it's uh the badger's getting in there whereas the coyote is not as much of a great digger when it comes to that sort of thing so yeah they work pretty well together. All right. I liked my version better, but go ahead, Miles. Yeah.

And mine is just like, what, that's what it would call it. Was that symbiotic relationship? Yeah. Any kind of relationship between two animals or two species is called symbiosis. And symbiosis can be good or bad. So symbiosis can be parasitism or it can be mutualism. So the coyote and the badger working together is mutualism. There are other less sort of Disney-esque mutualistic relationships like bees and flowers are in a mutualistic relationship.

So they both benefit each other. But yeah, broadly speaking. relationship so they both benefit each other but yeah broadly speaking what's a friendship though you know what i mean that's what we're not not mutualistic or parasitic but friendship you know and that's that's what i'm hoping we'll see i mean all friends have benefits miles come on right don't be naive it's always transactional i remember seeing like a clip of this one is like oh look at this uh lioness with like this like like young gazelle that it's like taken in and is like protecting. And then like all these like people who are interested in animals, like it's only doing that so the cubs will learn how to play with live animals. It's not that he cares about the gazelle. I'm like, Jesus Christ.

Okay, that took a turn. yeah there's occasionally like a lioness who is sort of maybe ostracized and doesn't have a pride and doesn't have cubs who will mistakenly take in something like a baby gazelle but it never it usually ends in tragedy because the lioness can't take care of a gazelle it's really sad exactly yeah badgers i feel like there's also the Honey Badger partnership that was in that viral, other viral video, right? Where they work with a bird that spots the honey and then they go in and just fuck shit up. Yeah, like the honey guide. Yeah, the honey guide. Yeah, there's actually also the relationship between the honey guide and humans, which is really interesting.

Yeah, like human foragers will team up with a honey guide, and the honey guide likes the fact that the humans disturb these hives because then they can get at these insects easier. Oh, got you. Yeah. Look at us. We're really doing it. Also, I just want to say, like, there's mutualism, there's parasitism.

My parasite actually improves me. I won't get any further into it but i do have a parasite that really works for me the way your cheekbones are coming in like your facial definition model-esque i keep telling you man that tapeworm is doing a number on you but you're like no it's just when you see like it slither across my skin my facial skin that freaks people out pops out your nose sips a little takes a sip of your coffee and goes back in it's like footnotes you're like dude what sorry my tapeworm thinks it's hosting what's something you think is overrated

uh yeah there's i guess something that's a little bit topical is there is this story sort of framed as this feel good story of police officers in cleveland county oklahoma stepping into substitute for teachers who are out sick with covid and it was framed as like oh isn't this sweet like police officers officers stepping in to educate children when all their teachers are sick with COVID. But that seems like a nightmare to me. Right. Like, yeah, if my substitute teacher was a police officer, I would be peeing and pooping myself in class. I mean, yeah. Only two holes it can come out of, you know?

Right. Like you said. Nice callback. out of you know right like you said it's like yeah because i i mean i can't think of two occupations that are directly on the same wavelength with each other as police officer and teacher yeah yeah it seems completely uh like the parallel skill sets um you know brutalizing yeah poor people in service of protecting private property or teaching the youth. Sure. Yeah.

Like, I guess you're teaching physics when you body slam a student for no reason. Right. That works. Interesting. Yeah. Like terminal velocity, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Were the pictures like cops like in their uniforms, like at a blackboard? And that was the thing. It's like, wow. Yeah. Them like smiling. Oh, also a cherry on top of the donut. If that. Yeah.

Is that they weren't wearing masks. No masks. And the story was like, oh, the teachers are sick with COVID. Let's get some maskless police officers in here to teach kids, you know, I don't know. Yeah. That we live in a police state. Yeah. Yeah.

I had one experience in my entire scholastic career where a cop was my teacher and that was the D.A.R.E. program. Yeah. And that's just very memorable. I feel like anybody who had the D.A.R.E. program, like, remembers that day more than most because the cops. And it's just strange to have a person with such bad energy. Yeah. Bad vibes.

100%. And I grew up like, you know, just having it put in my head. It's like police. This is not a good situation. Right. So, like, when I remember Officer Charles showed up for our D.A. for our DARE class, I was like, I thought I had weed on me. Right. It was just like, I remember that was like one of my first responses.

It wasn't like, wow, cool, a cop. I was like. Yeah. And that guy clearly had the energy of like, I screwed up pretty bad. That's why I'm teaching DARE. Yeah. pretty bad that's why i'm teaching dare yeah yeah i remember we had like a cop uh demonstration where they had a canine unit and some other like other cop wearing one of those body suits anti-dog body suits yeah and then just like had the dog tackle the shit out of them and start like

you know tearing at them and it's like isn't this cool kids and we're like that's great mr officer man like cool that's why you don't just behave that's why don't misbehave that's what you got waiting for you on the other end of that pathway exactly but you won't have that suit on yeah and like i just don't understand how any of the adults didn't think like, this seems scary, like they're terrorizing the students with a promise of violence, you know, if they happen to run afoul of the law. Or not run afoul of the law, just exist. clearly teaching since the 60s so for them everything was like great you know what i mean like and it was maybe only like the newer younger teachers who were like maybe not the best thing but like for the people who were like i remember when this school was segregated almost like that kind of energy uh they probably didn't care as much not that that was happening but you get

you get the idea yeah yeah they did find that the dare program like people who were exposed to the dare program were more likely to use drugs than people who weren't so at least it did some good yeah it's yeah dare is a gateway drug yeah taught us what the good stuff was yeah exactly i do it was the first time i smelled weed like really up close uh it was also the first time I smelled weed, like, really up close. It was also the first time I had, like, learned the urban legend that meth gives you superpowers. They were, like, talking about how somebody on meth was, like, shot eight times and, like, kept coming and, like, threw a fucking dumpster at a police car. I was like, whoa. Yeah, that's what they said in my... Yeah, PCP, that's what it was.

Yeah, yeah. A guy broke all his limbs. Invincible. Yeah, flipped a car. PCP. I was like, whoa. Yeah, that's what they said in my... Yeah, PCP, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah. It'll make you invincible. Yeah, flip the car, you're like... And I've said this before on the podcast. When YouTube came out, that was like the first few years of YouTube, all I was searching for was video evidence that that was possible. I was like, where's a guy on PCP throwing car

overhead? Yeah, and they also would teach us like obscure ways to get high like you know if you take a can of like computer screen cleaner and like snort it you'll get high and it's like oh that never really occurred to me and how do you do this exactly exactly you know that was the same thing he's like hey how many of you guys know about hot knives? And we're like, what? He's like, you take two knives and you put it over your stove and you get them red hot. And then you put a piece of hashish there and then you can inhale the smoke that is generated from your two hot knives pressed against the hashish.

And everyone's like, what the fuck? Right. Because the copster is there like trying to like the second you get in front of a room, you just want to entertain and impress. You're just like, what's the coolest shit I've ever seen? What's the coolest thing I know about drugs? And then you just go with that.

One time I saw Pitbull jump into a second-story balcony from the ground floor. And you're like, what the fuck? Okay. It did feel like that at times and i and i've said this before half of the class was him trying to get people to print like guess what his vanity license plate meant what was it he was like who know hey you guys see my ford ranger pickup it's like what

do you think the license plate means and we're like what, what the fuck is this? Get us out of here, man. Just say weed is bad. And he brought it in the last class. He took it off his car and brought it in. He's like, alright, guys. It's our last class and I want everybody to write down what they think. And if they're right, you'll get a starburst or something.

And it was P-R-N-C-H-A-S. P-R-N-C-H-a-s p-r-n-c-h-a-s yeah porn chers it was prince charles oh and we're like oh your name's charles it's like yeah i'm charles and like okay well you're a prince and an oppressor see ya and that has to do with the program. Okay. Yeah, no, but that's what I mean. Right. You thought there was going to be some tie-in to the theme of the...

No. There's a very good chance that one of those classrooms had to sit through him talking about his divorce and just him kind of going through it with the class, sobbing a little bit. Everyone. Yeah. His ex was like, your fucking vanity plate

doesn't even make sense. And so he like made the whole thing about trying to prove to her that like a bunch of 12 year olds could tell what it was. And like they couldn't. He's like, come on, it's Prince Charles.

It's like Charles, the divorce papers have been signed i don't know what the point of this is we've already made our decision whatever and then like i remember the first day of class he's writing on the blackboard it's like officer and then in the middle he's just like oh fuck oh no like all right. No. Shit. What's something you think is underrated? Yeah, I think that non-honeybees, so native bee species that are not the typical honeybee,

are really cool. And when people think about the bees, like saving the bees, I think the typical image we have in our heads is like the honeybees because they make honey and they're cool. And I love honeybees. This is no shade thrown at honeybees, but native bee species can be really different and really cool. And they're often the ones most in need of conservation. And they're also just extremely rad, like the leaf cutting bee, which is not honeybee, and it doesn't live in a colony. A lot of these non-honeybees are actually solitary, so they'll raise their own young, live their solitary lives. But the leaf-cutting bee does really cool shit, like builds these little leaf doobies, like little leaf cigars that that they lay their eggs in wait are you a dare officer

well they look i mean i guess technically they look more like a roach but like they they're they just roll these leaves in like dead wood and then stuff their larva inside and then their larva grow up in these little leaf cocoons as the safe crib and yeah just like google leaf cutter bee cocoon and also farmers will buy like leaf cutter bee cocoons and just set them up somewhere so because it's like great pest control it's great for pollination but yeah i think just learning more about non-honeybees you'll often find some really cool bee species yeah the only about non-honeybees, you'll often find some really cool bee species. Yeah, the only non-honeybee I can name is a carpenter bee. Those are very cool.

Because they're so big. And I remember as a kid, I would scream. Be like, ah! Because this looks like the hulk of bees. And I remember my dad was like, it's a carpenter bee. They don't sting. You're good. bees and i remember my dad was like it's a carpenter bee they don't sting you're good and like that was always like my way to you know exude calm like in middle school when people like

ah i'm like it's a carpenter bee let it pass it wants nothing to do with us you just have a have a batman voice yeah suddenly and because of you know like most kids i'm regurgitating a thing i heard an adult say what about those giant hornets that were supposed to take over the globe? Where are we on that progress report? Yeah, they're still occasionally found. I don't think they're gone yet. They haven't taken over. I think the problem with those ones is that the bees here in North America didn't evolve alongside them.

So like Asian honeybees and other Asian bee species have evolved defenses against the giant hornet, the Asian hornet, whereas here they haven't. So like in Asian countries where the giant hornet is a native to the native bees have defense mechanisms like they'll form this big bee ball and vibrate until they literally cook the hornet to death. Yeah. And they'll, you know, also like smear poop outside of their hive to ward off the hornets. And in the U.S., they just haven't evolved these defense mechanisms, so they don't know what the hell to do when a giant Asian hornet comes in. So we got soft bees is what you're saying, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What are you going to do? All right. Well, it feels like that was a pre-pandemic news story when we had to make up stuff to be scared of. From Asia? Yeah. That's right. Ah, Asian stuff! Now it's COVID!

Oh, thank God. Have you guys seen Parasite? Well, I'm not falling for it. Neither should you, This COVID bullshit. Sounds like Katie's country is another matter altogether. Yeah, they're really losing their meatballs about it. That's right. Different podcast.

That famous phrase, losing your meatballs. That's what they say, yeah. They don't really have meatballs much here, just for the record. What? I mean, they do, I guess. Are you in Italy? Are you sure? They do, I guess, technically. It's just not a big thing. Like, occasionally, maybe.

Or maybe they're so spicy, they just know that you won't be able to handle them. They're like, ah, she's only been here a year. The Tinder American does spicy meatballs. It's too spicy. It's too spicy. The memes aren't going toball. It's too spicy. It's too spicy. Can't handle it.

The memes aren't going to stop. Just keep it quiet. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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In our own world, we're two space cadets. And totally normal humans. Sure, totally normal humans. Embark on a journey across the stars, discovering the wonders of the universe one episode at a time. We'll talk about life, love, laughter, and why you should never argue with your co-pilot. Especially when she's always right.

Right. And if we hit turbulence, just blame it on Mercury retrograde. Or Emily's questionable space piloting skills. Hey! Join us on In Our Own World for cosmic conversations, stellar laughs, and super corny dad jokes. Listen to In Our Own World as a part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And don't worry, we promise to avoid any black holes. Most of the time. And we're back. And we're way behind schedule katie's too interesting to talk to blow through these uh these stories yeah uh blah blah blah we're not gonna have voting rights uh blah blah blah let's talk about dune yeah hell yeah dog. So the debates, I mean, we kind of touched on this last week.

The Republicans have basically pulled out of all debates going forward. Yeah. More specifically, they're like, we have no confidence in the committee on presidential debates and like their ability to be unbiased or give advantages to the Democrats. But they founded that. They founded the the commission on presidential debates stop stop that you stop bringing a vaccine here in this church that's old republicans like ronald mcdaniel ronald romney mcdaniel amid romney's niece is the head of the rnc and you know when this announcement was made there's been all kinds of these,

you know, justifications, excuses, whatever. Like one was like, I mean, like there was the one debate where they, they,

they let Joe Biden do it virtual suddenly. It's like, yeah. When Trump had COVID, what are you talking about? Like, that's okay. Thanks for exhibit a in your prosecution.

And all of it, just like, it all just falls short because it it's all sort of some version of like everything's against the republicans and we can't get our fair shake and really what it is i think it's just pretty clear it's like your party platform is going so far right even like himmler would be like hey whoa easy let's right let's like gradually get to this place yeah like slow boiling you know don't jump right into this uh like ethno state stuff like off the gate out the gate so i think you know i think a lot of people are right to point out it's like it makes

a little more sense why you wouldn't want to have like a neo-nazi candidate on stage having to defend their like fascist beliefs while some like corporate Democrat could merely just like gesture to them and be like, you see that suburbs? And this is the debate. No substance. It's me just saying, look over there. And I don't have to say anything. But I think it's just, you know, it's all in a part of a very cynical party making very cynical moves. Yeah. I mean, it's funny because of the commission on presidential debates, again, like it was founded by the RNC and like the back,

what was it in like the seventies? Something around then. Yeah. And like the televised debate became a big thing. Yeah. And I mean, originally it was like controlled by like the league of women voters, but then the head of the RNC wanted to have this commission so that the RNC and I guess also the DNC could make decisions on how they wanted the debates run by like being able to basically approve or disapprove moderators and exclude third party candidates.

So it's not a great system because it gives basically control over the debate conditions to the RNC and DNC, who are, of course, going to try to make it favorable to themselves. But now that's even not good enough for the RNC, I guess. Like, it's just got to be total authoritarianism. Yeah, it's just how low the bar for democracy has fallen that, like, even seeing their candidate in an unplanned, like, unmoderated, like, by them situation is just too much for them

because their whole thing is based on, like, being able to portray specifically to each person like what that person wants to hear and so you know they can be fascist to the fascists but like on a broader stage they won't be fascists and this just makes it so they never have to like do that broader stage thing where they're like held to account yeah not that the debates are good at that but they were at least a thing that attempted to do that and they're like held to account. Not that the debates are good at that, but they were at least a thing that attempted to do that and they're going away. Yeah.

So you'll just have to you'll have to read up voters to figure out where your candidates beliefs are and things like hate crimes. Yeah. Chamber of Commerce is kind of the force behind all the, you know, refusing to even fuck with the filibuster. You know, they're kind of an underrated force, right? It's like if big business had a central, like, nervous system, the Chamber of Commerce is like them. I don't know if it's underrated.

It's under-discussed, under-analyzed in mainstream media because, yeah, the Chamber of Commerce is like the Voltron of all the corporations being like, and we are the lobbying arm that, you know, has tremendous sway. Because the way they look at is like, you know, if you're a good mainstream candidate, you want to be like, hey, man, business works with me, too. I got the Chamber of Commerce. They've endorsed me. You want to be like, hey, man, business works with me, too. I got the Chamber of Commerce. They've endorsed me why the filibuster like doesn't need to be like messed with at all for you know if you're like reading the new york times or like you know he's a traditionalist uh like along with cinema who feels like there shouldn't be altering rules for things like this but if you look at how the chamber of commerce talks about filibuster reform it's clear that they see the filibuster not just as not really that as it relates to like voting access, but how it can affect capital.

Right. So this is like when they were talking about the potential for minimum wage and, you know, the ease for workers to unionize. And just to say it's been five weeks since the I Heart podcast was announced, and we still have not heard a response from the company. But stay tuned, folks. Stay tuned, folks. It's going to be a long one. But in this instance, the Chamber of Commerce is talking about minimum wage and unionizing. And this is their quote. Quote, because of the filibuster, neither can become laws currently written. That's what they wrote to like lawmakers. And then they said they expressed concern, quote, that without the filibuster, voters could have the power to elect new lawmakers who could change public policy. Yeah, that's literally. And you don't want that. Yeah. Going on to say, quote, imagine if major portions of federal policy

constantly changed on a purely partisan basis every time one or the other party finds itself in unified control of the government. Again, Joe Manchin said, what if the government changed when people voted for it? Oh, no. Yeah. I mean, I think that seems like a pretty interesting take, especially because Manchin, I think, in 2019 supported voting rights bill, the John Lewis Act, which I think back then was called something else, but it became the John Lewis Act. In fact, I think he was a co-sponsor back in 2019. And now he's opposing it. And so it makes a lot of sense that he's getting some pressure from... And the thing is, with lobbying groups, they make it very easy to package donations to your campaign. They take a lot of legwork out for candidates. That's the reason why lobbyists at that level, they're so detrimental to how things work.

Because like, yeah, man, if I'm beholden to them, it makes my fundraising so much easier and I have to do less work. And you sort of go on to see why they really hate this. First of all, the Chamber of Commerce sort of let any candidate know, like, you fuck around with the filibuster, we will smoke your ass. We're not even playing. You better not be open to any kind the filibuster like we will smoke your ass we're not we're not even playing like you better not be open to any kind of filibuster reform and again they articulate it all for us in very plain english for everyone to understand why so this is what they talk about as it relates to filibuster quote for example within two months the house of representatives has passed 15 national minimum wage and a radical rewrite

of u.s labor law known as the pro act because of the filibuster neither can become laws currently written in a world without the filibuster both might be the law of the land that is until a republican unified government repealed them so yeah that's it's just this fucking domino right is that we have this potential that when you get rid of the filibuster that a simple majority is things that can dictate our processes and processes and uh regulations in the country but democrats aren't going to call that out like you're not going to hear chuck schumer be like hey man it's a fucking chamber of commerce this guy's here because then they're going to snitch onumer be like, hey, man, it's a fucking chamber of commerce. This guy's here because then they're going to snitch on themselves because both parties are behold,

like they very much listen to the chamber of commerce. I mean, we see that even with like a lot of the pushes to like reopen things. A lot of that stems from the lobbying efforts of the chamber of commerce or even, you know, so many things like progressive DAs, the chamber of commerce or business leagues don't want these kinds of progressive district attorneys in. So I think, you know, people are sort of left to look at the situation and just based on what they're seeing on like CNN or MSNBC or whatever. It's almost that they think, well, why won't Joe and Kirsten just let go of their attachment to these old traditions like that? That's what the issue is here right rather than the congress is made up of a bunch of i know jack you i don't you take you don't like this word fuck wit and i don't

mean that they're stupid i just mean i don't like them that's what i said but that the congress has made up a bunch of these fucking greedy fucks that are only there to serve their own interests as long as they intersect with the aims of the ruling business class like that's that's yeah no i mean they're they're being puppeted for sure i just the only thing i just that the idea that they're idiots which i do you know hear a lot is i think misleading i think they're you know in the same way that we've learned that like cults tend to be made up of people who are of higher intelligence and higher education than the average person. It's like they have really smart people whose entire self-worth is built around this central idea that they are the elite and must make decisions for the masses in order to you know protect them from themselves and it's just very i think that is the central lie that you learn in like that's what a lot of the highest you know

rated universities in america like are churning out like people talk about them being like left wing but a lot of them are like no you gotta like get funding from massive corporation and like that's how you like get shit done and there's all these networks of people who work at like these massive like tech corporations mostly now and like they look out for each other and like that is also kind of interwoven into all of this and it's just very hard to fight. It's kind of a virtuous cycle or vicious circle or

snake eating its own butt kind of situation because obviously the fact that we have such reliance on like Kirsten Sinema andchin is because the very disproportionate presence of Republicans in House of Representatives and the Senate, because the electoral process is all messed up, like it's not one person, one vote, it's completely skewed in favor of Republicans, because that's how that's, you know,

just how the system has been set up to give these smaller states more voting power. And then that means that we're always going to kind of, unless you get some massive, like turnout of voters, you're always going to have this like, kind of razor thin edge margin. And then it's very easy to like convince one Democrat to like, hey, look, you know, Kirsten, love your know, girl, like the truth is, like, you're going to you're going to get no money from us if you don't do that. Right. Yeah. Where you get weak money from. As that statement made clear, like, it's not complicated. Like they said it like very clearly.

it like very clearly like so the house of representatives passed a 15 national minimum wage which is keeping pace with not even keeping pace with inflation but like the minimum wage has been like criminally just left behind in the past you know 20 30 years so they're like we can't let that happen and so that's why we need to do this thing we are the face of big business like that is a very simple story but they need to make it seem complicated and like you know there are these forces and they are traditionalists which means like okay so they're going like there's some complicated ideology behind it. And like that is the New York Times. That is like the supposedly liberal media that is get it putting that message out there instead of just telling this story over and over again, which is very simple. But that like the idea that this is very complicated is like it's only as complicated as they make it seem to try and bore you into not paying attention. Yeah, they're not they're not super into tradition. They're super into capital.

So they're not traditionalists. They're capitalologists. Yeah, I think that's the word. Capitalologists. Capitalologists. I love that. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah.

All right. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about some dipshits who spent too much money on a Dune book. Hell yeah. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades.

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politicians like angela merkel didn't and so their people are kind of turning back towards that is that is that something i actually have no haven't the first clue about italian politics but is that like a a vibe you're picking up in italy katie like the an idea of like okay enough with this fucking crazy bullshit yeah it's interesting i mean i think that there is There is some more trust in the government as of late becauseally and rambunctious, but like very tiny percentage of people support it. And I think like it's one of those things where they openly call themselves neo-fascists but their politics are probably pretty similar

to like the alt-right in the US, but it also just has a lot less support amongst people and i think uh you know like they'll have these like anti-green pass protests and stuff they're typically pretty pretty small poorly attended and not yeah and i i think that like in general people have been i think italy just got so scarred early on from how horrific covet hit uh italy and people haven't really forgotten that so people are kind of more willing to sort of and it's it's funny because there is definitely i think a lot of people here like hate the bureaucracy and it's not like there's just a lot of like most of the patriotism seems to be about like an Italian identity, not about the government.

But I think like the pandemic has made people feel a little more trusting of the government because they feel like they're they're doing something about it. Not that I'm an expert on. I have not. I have not run a poll on Italians. I'm just basing this on... Hey, just shout out your window real quick. Hey! Yeah, yeah.

Hey, what's going on out here? Yeah. So that same study found that tribalism, the one place it's not abating is the U.S. So we're an outlier. I think Malcolm Gladwell said that's good that we're to be an outlier. I'm a kid born at the beginning of the year and I'm good at hockey now.

Malcolm Gladwell says a lot of things, doesn't he? Yeah, the best. I mean, I get that part, the hockey thing. Yeah, yeah. No, the hockey thing was interesting. Because you're a bigger kid. Okay, I get it, Malcolm. I see you there now.

He mixes interesting things in with just wild leaps of logic. I still want to fucking invade the LA golf courses. Yeah. Like raiding Vikings. And that was based on a podcast from him. But then there's a bunch of shit he says that is wildly misleading. Anyways, there's also this poll that is being kind of quote alongside this. That's like, and, you know, younger people are turning to the left and their voting is getting more and more

like we're seeing increased participation in, you know, the democratic process. I think they're going to see a real drop off in the next couple of elections. I think if they don't see that coming, I think they're going to be real, real surprised that maybe how how few people are going to be motivated to go out and vote for Democrats when the Democrats aren't doing shit. Yeah. Get to the root of what what might have motivated people to participate. It's the fact that generationally uh younger people are like what the fuck is this hell world i'm in like you're like my grandfather

was able to support like his four kids with like a custodian job and they all went to college right huh in this country and yeah i think there's just the, I don't know, unwillingness or just that sort of, they're just oblivious, maybe willfully, to what those elements are, because that would be, I guess, too drastic of a change for our policies here. When those polls are asking about populism, they're not distinguishing between left and right populism. It seems like you're mentioning like Bolsonaro and stuff populism yeah yeah that was another point like you're mentioning like bolsonaro and stuff that seems like that's more right-wing populism whereas you know left-wing populism isn't necessarily being represented there yep that's another little

trick they do is they're like populists like trump and bernie sanders It's like, did you find that his policies became less popular? Yeah. Remember during the election, how they kept calling Bernie Sanders Trumpian because he would like do a speech. Look at him. He's all angry on behalf of the working poor. What is this guy?

Mussolini? Wagging his finger finger positively Trumpian. Right. Absolutely. Alright, but we do have to talk about this Dune bullshit. Dune! Dune! Our two favorite things, Dune and Crypto Bros. There's

a headline going around about Crypto Bros spending $3 million on a Dune book. It's very kind of confusing, but basically. So there's a book with all the drawings that Jodorowsky put together. And I'm not saying Joe Dorosky. It's Alejandro Jodorowsky. J-O-D-O-R-O-W-S-K-Y. If you want to look it up.

But he's a great artist who is going to make this 14-hour dune with music from Pink Floyd, a cast including Orson Welles and Salvador Dali. There's a documentary about it, and everyone's really in love with his vision for this movie. and everyone's really in love with his vision for this movie. He created a giant book of concept art that was sent out to potential backers. They made 20 at the time. Only around 10 are thought to still exist. And so some of those books went up for auction at Christie's.

They were expecting it to go for between $28,000 and $40,000 and ended up selling nearly $3 million for $3 million, which is more than those other estimates. Right. Yeah. Wait, okay, so who are these balling ass bros? Yeah, so the winning bid was placed by a 25-year-old cryptocurrency nerd and NFT collector acting on behalf of the Spice DAO, a network of dune-loving cryptocurrency enthusiasts. And the degree to which you can raise money in the crypto world was my main takeaway from this story. So he spent $3 million of his own money, but was looking to get paid back by the decentralized autonomous organization dao dao which is basically an internet community with

a bank account he asked the dao for six million dollars because 3.8 million after taxes and legal fees equals six million dollars and another 2.2 million to make an animated film inspired by his vision. Wait, what? So it's like a crypto GoFundMe? Yeah, a little bait and switch there. I don't know if you guys noticed that, but it went from... Wait, are you saying crypto investors are gullible? Went from, I bought this book for this amount of money to, I bought this book and really it was for double that amount of money that was reported.

And also I would like an additional $2.2 million to make a cartoon, even though you've never seen any work by me and I'm just a crypto bro. bro surely you're not saying that crypto bros who will guilelessly click on a tweet under an elon musk tweet that says like hey free crypto giveaway and then lose like four hundred thousand dollars in crypto by doing that because they think that elon musk is tweeting it even though it's a different account tweeting it you're saying those people might have gotten scammed yeah well i i know it's hard to believe The community, so this is the part where my head started to spin. The community, which apparently includes Grimes among its members, so there is a tangential connection to Elon Musk, ended up raising between $11 and $12 million.

Oh, okay. Goal is some money. Sweet. Love it. Honestly, we're stupid as fuck. I'm sorry for talking all this shit. I should be out here. Sweet. Honestly, we're stupid as fuck. Yeah. No, we just don't. I should be out here stealing straight crypto off of people. That is what crypto is for, though.

It's we didn't have enough things to like the tech billionaires didn't have enough things to do with their money. So this is. Yeah. Yeah. This gives them dumb shit to do with their money. So like, and how does this work? Right. Cause you're saying it's like a crypto community with a bank account.

So essentially it's like, he's pitching this vision of like, I will acquire the book and then you guys are going to be like producers like of the thing or what, what, what's, how are they incentivized to participate in this? So if you buy a book how does that give you the rights to oh katie katie katie these are questions it sounds like you might crypto you might should have been involved in the uh brainstorm session before anybody started this project so miles you you you did ask an interesting question. What do they get? How do they get paid back? What do I get? It is, of course, in dollar sign spice tokens. And so that is just fake.

So you get for your real world money, fake spice money, like doing money. And also you get a chance to vote on what actually happens with the book. A chance to vote? Like in the United States where it's not guaranteed? I don't know. You might get a chance to fucking vote. Yeah. Don't dog.

You're it. That's my vote. Here's a bookmark. Jam pointed out that that is a worse investment than just actual spice. Any spice. If you just put that money in like cinnamon or something. Cinnamon futures. Cinnamon futures.

You would do much better. But Spiced Out Twitter tweeted out their their mission which includes making the book public to the extent permitted by law and to produce an original animated limited series inspired by the book and sell it to a streaming service it's just so easy but owning a physical book doesn't give you the rights to that book am i i have a i have a copy of the pelican brief from the 90s and so i have the i'm shopping it around to to investors to possibly make it into a movie a movie like remake it maybe an entire fictional series. I don't know. Well, I have a copy of the Bible, so. Oh, shit. There you go. Thank you.

Mel Gibson owes me some royalties. So people are pointing out that that's not how things work or like making the book public is also a bit concerning because there was some discussion within the community of turning its content into nfts and then burning the actual book in order to make the nfts more valuable just because we've like gone into a world without any sort of gravitational like pool of logic it's just sure so if you do this then maybe it'll go up temporarily and then dump the spice tokens or real money. Just use its pages to print out a bunch of bored apes. Yeah. One user even suggested burning the book so nobody is sued over copyright claims when the scans go public, is not how like anything in the world works do they think do they think the book is alive do they think like the book would be the one

suing them and it's like we gotta murder the book hey no body no crime man if we kill the book the book we control the book yeah like and also like by this logic if i'm streaming the new matrix film but because i like destroyed a dvd i had of it that's supposed to like absolve me of any kind of like wrongdoing in it i'm really having trouble with like i don't think that's what they mean when they say burning a copy of a tvd am i right only 90s kids will get that oh my god the i mean so like keeping in mind that what they're talking about is like if this was an original book of art by somebody that had like passed in the public domain, some of this might make sense. But not only is this more recent than that and hasn't passed in the public domain,

it is an adaptation of a famous novel that was just adapted by a major Hollywood studio that has all the lawyers in the world at its disposal to sue the fuck out of you yeah and it's just yeah so i mean it seems like this might just be hiding like the a small motive of somebody like who wants to you know whip up interest in some unrelated project piling all this bullshit on top of it but it just seems like people aren't aware of what they're doing with their money they don't know what adapting the book actually means and yeah it reveals like so many things like you know it's like the energy of these people too

where it's like yeah man we're on the cutting edge and we don't even know what the laws are right and like that's not even a like a deterring force they don't know how books work i i know there must be a parallel to like the plot of dune i'm just not familiar enough with dune to like be like yeah this is is like when Paul Atreides bought a bunch of spice nuts and tried to make a movie out of a book. Hold on. Did you just say spice nuts?

I don't know. They come from worm... It's like worm poop, right? The spice? Yeah, I think it is actually worm poop. Okay, you know, if you can't respect the culture of Arrakis, then you shouldn't even begin to wade into these waters. Right. It's just really going to just highlight how ignorant you are.

that this project that they claim to be like trying or that they might secretly be trying to whip up enthusiasm for any similarity it has to the original Dune or Jodorowsky's unproduced film. Like they have already said that it's inspired by that. So like you already have as the like central, like nut of the idea, the thing that would make it illegal were it to ever get any investment, which it can. So plan B of just renaming it Sand Planet is probably not going to work. It's not going to work, unfortunately.

This is like also exhibit A. This is a tweet from at the Spice Dow. It's just like their whole plan is there in a tweet. Right. There's no you have no defense. You've already said we intend to iterate and create derivative works based on this intellectual property. And I do understand like the blockchain is cool. There are like cool things about NFTs,

but this is the reason we make fun of like the whole market is that in the Yanni exploited and was a huge failure. The Yanni NFT. Yeah. God. It's not as bad as the Popeye Jones ones I bought. So don't worry about it. I'm sorry.

What were you saying, Katie? Oh, just a cool thing that is being done with cryptos. I think NGOs in Afghanistan are trying to bypass the sanctions with some crypto because there's a whole famine situation there killing a bunch of people. Yeah, and how quickly the news changes in the U.S. Yeah.

I mean, it's not going to save everyone, but at least it's something that's happening, you know? There are very, very cool theoretical things about that, you know, some of the things that could be done with NFTs and blockchain.

And it just feels like there's also a giant universe of incredibly dumb shit that is being done with it. And also being like marketed to the type of people who might listen to our podcast so i don't know that's that's my point of view on it is like seems like unless there's like a very concrete and clear way that this is being used to help people i would be very well i mean that's the thing it's like for all those examples like the one katie brings up the things that get all the airtime are just like the the

grossest versions of it right you know and and i think that and and because of just where we find ourselves societally like there's nothing more appealing than a get rich quick strategy like there isn't and this it. It's today's quickest path or seemingly the path of least resistance to wealth. And you get a lot of people who aren't as aware of what a good financial investment is and then it can turn into bad stuff. Just like spice on the dune planet.

There we go. Brought it back. Good investment turned into bad stuff. Well, Katie, as always, such a pleasure having you here to interpret the book Dune for us. Where can people find you and follow you? Yeah. I host another iHeartRadio podcast called Creature Feature, where we talk about animals and all the weird things and creepy things and cool things that they do. And you can find me on Twitter at Katie Golden, K-A-T-I-E-G-O-L-D-I-N. Yeah, that's, you know, I'm around.

Yeah, yeah. Is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes. around yeah yeah is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yes in fact i mean this is somewhat of a visual thing so i highly encourage people look it up but this is from at riot girl erin on twitter who did an amazing thread as kirsten cinema as porta potties and what this thread is is kirsten cinema juxtaposed with a porta potty and the porta potty is exactly color matched to kirsten cinema's stupid outfits and it is a whole thread of like 20 different porta potties all exactly precisely matching Kirsten Sinema's stupid outfits. It's incredible.

It's like a work of art. The amount of effort that went into finding the perfect porta potty to match Kirsten Sinema's style, it's breathtaking. It's amazing. Oh, man. Oh, so it's almost like that Ballhouse account where it's taking snapshots of the NBA and where it's like taking snapshots of like the NBA and like finding it's like parallel and like fine classic art. Yeah, I love I love like when people have that talent to just sort of be like, no.

And this dumpster or this toilet is this senator. It's so creative. And it's not it's also like not just the color of the porta potties. It's also the style somehow. It's also like not just the color of the porta potties. It's also the style somehow. It's an ineffable quality that this tweeter captures about this porta potty that just kind of captures the essence of Kirsten Sinema. It's amazing.

Beautiful. It is, you know, our greatest work, our greatest contribution to the art world, I think, as a as a culture in this moment. Miles, where can people find you and what is a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. Also, if you like reality TV, check out 420 Day Fiance with me and Sophia Alexandra. Talking 90 Day Fiance, Married at First Sight, all of that. Some tweets that I like. First one is from Paula V vegan allen uh you know fairly regular guests on the show tweeted i don't care what you say pets can tell the disrespect when you pet them

with your feet that's so true and i was like yo my dog will like bite my fucking toes off oh yeah no my dog would bite my toes off as well. You can't do that. Isn't it? What? Katie, help me out here. I mean, I almost bring this. Do you think they sense the disrespect or it feels like to them an act of aggression because like feet are for walking and kicking and stuff? Yeah, for my dog, I think it's she sees it as an attack because like she's a small, she's a little one. And so she's occasionally tripped over or, you know, like you get a you get a pinky toe on her paw and then she freaks out. So her feet are sort of like a nemesis.

And so to touch her with the foot is an attack. I try even with my dog. So nice. I try and do the most gentle finesse with my foot because it's something i'm very actively experimenting with to see if there is a version when the dog will accept never never can find the right one um and another treat i like is from at merman5 and it says parenthetical making up ghost story as i go along but this was no ordinary honda accord oh shit that's great great stuff

some tweets i've been enjoying handsome b charming tweeted quitting smoking is so easy for me that i keep starting again because i know how easy it is for me to quit and it's no problem that's an underrated part of the difficulty of quitting smoking. Cessation, yeah. Yeah. Page six tweeted a picture of the machine guns, Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox. Mr. and Mrs. Machine Gun.

And she's wearing a black dress that has sex written across the chest part. And page six said, Megan Fox makes a statement in sex shirt. Fred Delicious retweeted and said, whoa, I wonder what it means. And then Eliana, Dr. PhD, tweeted, neutral milk hotel is Bob Dylan for people whose Vietnam War is not having a girlfriend. Ouch. Ouch. I do. I love them both, though. Wow. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and our website, DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.

Miles, what song are you recommending they go check out? I recommend they check out the artist Alphamist from East Ham, London. Great. Just, you know, producer. I'm guessing a musician.

But like if you like the sounds of like Jay Dilla or let's see, high tech, you know, who famously would produce like Tulliv and most deaf albums. You're going to like this track. And it's called Organic Rust. and it's not like really sample heavy there's like a lot of live instruments but they're really the beat is really like syncopated and wonky uh and there's like a nice electric piano in it so check this out organic rust alpha mist alpha with an f uh so it's like a less or a more alpha version of the alchemist. Yeah. Is that what they're going for?

Maybe. I don't know. We'll have to ask. All right. Well, the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us on this Thursday morning, but we're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we will talk to y'all then.

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