The Daily Zeitgeist - Daily Zeititi Trendorini 6/3: Israel, ICE Raids, Obama, AI, Louisiana Chemtrails, Jonathan Joss

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

In this edition of Daily Zeititi Trendorini, Jack and Miles discuss Israel's continued war crimes, ICE raids being unpopular?, Obama being worried about AI, Louisiana banning chemtrails, the tragic murder of Jonathan Joss and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now we're talking about you. It's been a while. I mean, it's been since, I mean, Mario hits for sure. I mean, pizza, pretty good. The way when I first heard Tum Tum Sahur, I realized it was a magical land. It does go back to your Italian... What's it called? I know Francophile is French.

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Brian the Editor editor coming through. A person who admires Italian culture. That's me. But only brain rot. It's me. I'm Italian brain rotafile. All right. Let's talk about depressing news a little bit here. RAFA, Israeli forces have killed dozens of

innocent people seeking aid in the last week. Yeah, the death toll is up to over I think 100 at this point, because these joint Israeli US aid stations, distribution points have been set up and many are like, these are nonsense operations, this is not helping anyone, the famine, the starvation continues. Sane people see what's going on here

and see it for what it is. But along with this news, somehow Matt Miller, if you remember, he was like the fucking porcelain-faced freak who was the spokesperson for Biden's State Department who would constantly obfuscate and defend what was happening in Gaza and genocide. I don't even know what it is. He has now recently come out and said

that he does believe that the Israelis have committed war crimes. And you know, just get the fuck out of here. Just in time. Yeah, truly. To make himself sleep a little bit better at night. And I'm sorry, would you, yeah, would you have come around to this

if this administration had continued under Kamala Harris, what are we, what are we talking now? Are we just now doing the thing? We're like, well, it's bad because a Republican is at the seat of the empire now. Right. And now we're suddenly against it. So yeah, just, just really, really dark shit. And yeah, nothing, it's all the way. Yeah. And yeah, truly Matt Miller. You can fuck. Yeah, truly, Matt Miller. Yeah, I think his full explanation was like, the thing about being the spokesperson for the president is like, I'm not the spokesperson for myself. I'm not saying my thoughts,

I'm just defending the president's thoughts. Oh, you're just taking orders? Yeah, just taking orders. That's never gone wrong. And nobody, if I had stopped doing that, that's an gone wrong. And, uh, nobody, if I had stopped doing that, um, you know, that's the impossibility, stop trying to compare yourself with a person with no financial recourse and they're, they get involved with something immoral or illegal or something to survive.

No motherfucker. You could leave just like the other people at the state department did when they're like, this is fuckery and I'm not, I'm not, I don't want nothing to do with it. There's also, you know, we, a lot, a lot of the refrain from people has been like everybody's getting their news from tick tock and that's bad because it's unreliable. Um, one of the reasons that people are having to get their news from tick tock is because, uh,

journalists have been completely banned from any of the places that, uh, the Israeli army is attacking and committing genocide. Yeah, and attacking the journalists themselves. Yes. So a group of journalists were actually invited to visit Masafari Yata in the West Bank, which is where that Oscar-winning documentary No Other Land was filmed, which is, you know, constantly under attack from quote unquote settlers.

You know, from, you know, the IDF and Israeli people trying to, you know, just invading their homes, attacking them and trying to get them out. You know, it's like the front lines of the like getting you out of a place where you still are. Calling it ethnic cleansing. I think that's the word for it. Thank you. I believe so. Yes. But the co-director literally invited them to his home and a convoy of 20 reporters in

press vehicles arrived and were detained by balaclava wearing IDF soldiers. This is weird. Like all these soldiers suddenly worried about hiding their identity. The must just be, yeah, I don't know. And the journalists were given a reasonable time of 10 minutes to leave by somebody holding an assault weapon, presumably. And they're banned because Israeli forces claim they were causing a public disturbance with their eyes taking in information. Yeah. Not nevermind the bulldozers and the unraveling of humanity all around you,

which might be considered a larger public disturbance than people trying to bear witness to the atrocities. That's just so, what a fucking shitty made up reason. We obviously care very much about public disturbances here So on those grounds things being disturbed like we're trying to keep things fucking chill over here I don't don't mind the bulldozer. Sorry. Sorry in small print It says we do not want people bringing added awareness to the atrocities that are unfolding here in the West I find added awareness disturbing and I'm publicly saying that. So that's a public disturbance. Ah, okay. Great.

In kind of positive, I mean, positive ish. It's all bittersweet. It's all for anything with this administration. There were some ice raids where a bunch of neighbors kind of stood up to like the ice. It just looked up, looked like straight military wearing full masks. Did you see the guys who boarded a plane to pull someone off during the day and they had night vision goggles on their helmets? They look like total dickheads.

And right now they're still, DHS people are like, where are these people coming from? Because they're like, are these militia fucks? How the fuck are you supposed to know the difference? They look like straight up militia people. Yeah. And it was kind of like, no, these are people that are federal. They've been deputized.

You're like, it was so vague. You're like, okay, I don't even know. Was I supposed to know that from the bandana around their face and the like, uh, San Antonio Spurs championship t-shirt that they were wearing? Like what's the fucking uniform here? Yeah, because like, you know, you see the optics. Plenty of us have seen these clips of like the ice stoppo gangs raiding a construction site

or a farm or a fucking elementary school, you know, places where the onlookers go, yeah, that's where all the worst fucking people are at a construction site, farm or elementary school or on their way to school. People who really need to be fucking just cast aside and taken away. But again, I think all of this has a tremendous effect

on everybody. Even if you're not directly affected by it, maybe you see your parents or grandparents or close friends in these people that are being fucking whisked away. Or maybe you feel gratitude because by some fucking weird chance, your family immigrated here in the quote unquote right way or whatever, and now you enjoy American citizenship somewhat undisturbed.

But like one thing is clear, all of this cruelty is not resonating with a group of voters Trump captured a huge segment of in 2024, and that's Latino voters. So like in Pennsylvania, that was a state where he made huge gains. But that honeymoon has already ended it seems. So he secured 41% of the Latino vote in the last election. That's up from 27% in 2020. And a lot of that has to do with young men moving to the right. And that 14-point increase narrowed Democratic margins from 42 points in 2020 to 18 points in 2024. So this is not insignificant, especially if you're thinking about the same math for midterms

and what that means for midterms if there are free and fair midterm elections. Right now, his support from that group is down to 27%. Okay, we're up from getting 41% of the vote in 2024 to now 27% of people being like, no, I can't, I want nothing to do with this. So right now, I think this is something that's unfolding, but this feels like one of those stories where like, the DNC would be like, yes, the support's going down.

Because their primary strategy is to just passively watch his approval numbers go down and then pop out every couple of years and be like, what about a new flavor of disappointing anyone? And you know, this kind of movement is exactly the kind of moment where an opposition party that has their shit together would identify a void and then fill it with policy that has wider appeal. Like it doesn't even have to be condemnation of Trump's policies, although that would help.

But I know how cowardly some of the Democrats are. It just needs to be a well articulated policy on immigration that isn't anchored by the fear that their opposition will paint them as like MS-13 chair leaders. And it's just like, that's what's so frustrating is the Democrats constantly play within the Republicans, zero sum framework of how all of this works.

What are the most bad faith people saying about us? That's what we need to worry about. So that's the floor. That's the space we will operate from. And then we will spend all our time trying to justify why these people should have dignity, should be treated with dignity. And that's their biggest messaging issue. Just they operate in the reality where Fox news headlines are the facts. And then they have to contend with that rather than ignoring that bullshit

and just speaking truth and being like, I don't give a shit what you say. Like that's not what's going on. Like fucking ask anyone who lives in this country. That's not how they feel. That's just what you're saying to try and get people on board with your xenophobia. But again, they're like, well, just like all that hand wringing about what to do about immigration is so frustrating

when you're like, dude, just fucking go out there and be like, these are human beings, man. And we need to find a way, if things are bad in their country and they're seeking refuge, that we have a way for them to find safety. And maybe in a larger foreign policy extent, you can talk about how to bring stability to those countries,

but that's probably a bridge too far for these countries. Now, we gotta do some polling to figure out how AOC is testing with the ICE agents with the masks on. We gotta figure out what they think and then try and adjust her positions to make them like her better. Okay, what, can we also get some polling on how people feel about her

if she wears bamboo earrings? The thing in San Diego, so last week there was this immigration and customs enforcement work raid at two Italian restaurants in kind of like a trendy neighborhood in San Diego, and a lot of people came out in the streets and were like protesting them and like kind of pushing them back. The fucking ICE agents used flash bangs on the people. Like it seems like a pretty easy case to make that they're losing the public opinion

battle here. But yeah, like you said, should be easy to just be like, we're gonna do something different. Look at what they're doing. Y'all love to say, look at what they're doing. Right. Then fucking go back to that habit at the very least. And I know like, obviously there are Democrats that are talking about this, but again, their lack of unity.

When you have Hakeem Jeffries, who's like, what about Representative Jerry Nadler was put in handcuffs by DHS in his own office? What do you have to say about that? He was like, we're gonna be strategic and we will respond in a time and place of our choosing. Oh, and it will be, and there will be a response. It's like, no, there won't be.

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Yeah. All white collar entry level jobs are going away. Unemployment is going to spike like to 10 to 20% in the next one to five years, which I'm sure it could. Like we've talked before about how like a lot of jobs are bullshit jobs. And but like, I don't, I don't think the technology is any better than I did yesterday or last month. My only experience with people using AI in an official work capacity is like, the AI not being up to the task

and then they have to go back and be like, well, we're still interested, but it's just not quite there. I'm sorry, Jack, do you have your window open? Cause I hear a bird song. Yeah, is that all right? No, I was just, I was tripping because I'm like, yo, am I? I did, I was just I was tripping because I'm like, yo am I I did I just I need the I need

The sunlight was I need uncle Jemima's mash liquor too hard Hearing these birds all the birds in the back. You know those rain get the bird song about I don't have it out, but I'm pretty sure it's a California towel He but here I open up the bird. There you go Fucking open up the bird and then see if see if I got that right. Let me see if it Ah fuck Buick's Wren. Oh Another classic eagle. It's a Buick regal. God damn it. It's just a horn

I'm a horn. Um, did hear a bird thing and thought that, uh, it was the sound of a car door unlocking earlier. Oh, well, but aren't there like those like mockingbirds kind of pick up on those sounds? Yeah, they do. They hear them so much. I actually picked up a Northern mockingbird the other day, like not with my hands, like on my, on my app. Um, Jack picked it up and gave you a little kiss. Wow. Now kiss my app. Your dream. Jack, your dream. Picked it up and gave it a little kiss. Oof, wow, now kiss.

My life. With your other pet pigeon. Tyson meme. Yeah, my life is like snow white at the beginning of that movie. Just birds landing on me. Putting on your headphones before you podcast. That's right.

But yeah, I think it still sucks, but I also think like CEO's interest in adoption of the technology seems to be like picking up steam. That's the most frightening thing. Yes. We saw this with the metaverse years ago, like web three. But this feels different because the metaverse is demonstrably a stupid fucking idea, you know? Yeah, but all I'm saying is like it's like a buzzword that goes around Wall Street. Then we go, yeah, we're doing that here too.

We're doing that here too. And that's what I mean is like that sort of parroting imitation of what other C-suites are doing. That's what's frightening. Oh yeah, we're doing the AI thing too for savings. Yeah. But I think they're really going to do, like, I think they're just going to leap before like they have evidence that it can work because it like is not going

to, they're never going to get evidence that it's going to work. Yeah. All we have is evidence that it doesn't because we haven't left yet. Yeah. Exactly. So that's when we figure it out. Yeah, dude. But they seem, I don't know. I also have the sense that like people at the highest level of companies are pretty insulated from like what is working, what is actually like driving value, like with the reasons that they're like consumers actually like the thing and all they, you know, their head is fully in the world of like Wall Street and what Wall Street thinks is like interesting or a good idea.

And yeah, I mean, we talked recently, it's just going to be an excuse for corporations to get a reset on what they pay their employees because they'll use the AI thing as an excuse to fire a bunch of employees. And then they'll have to hire them back when their product is not as good because the AI technology is not where it needs to be. And then- But as contract workers- Yeah, they'll bring them back as contract where it's like in the same way that The pandemic was an excuse for them to just reset what they charged things. They're like we've got these

Supply chain problems going on So we're gonna ramp up the price and holy shit people are still buying stuff because they need to great Like I think they're that's what that's how this is going to function I mean, that's what happened in that Klarna example, you know, where they're like going all in. Exactly, we've already seen it happen. And I feel like that may be where they go, hmm, hmm, what is this kombucha I hear of? Hmm.

What's his AM? Kombucha, Britney Broski meme. Oh, you can hire him back as contract workers and not give him benefits? Hmm, hmm, hmm. Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah, just the financial incentives for companies are totally disconnected from any of these things. You can hire him back as contract workers and not give benefits. Hmm. Hmm. Oh, oh, okay.

Yeah. Just the financial incentives for companies are totally disconnected from any sort of reality or like the products that they're selling it. Every time from the Klarna executive to other companies that talk about the AI integration, like their company's about to embark on, it's always discussed in terms of quote unquote savings, which again, it's always discussed in terms of quote unquote savings, which again, it's Wall Street talk to our shareholders will get money. Yeah.

It will make line go up. Okay. Um, and I don't know, maybe I have that old proverb wrong. Maybe it is greed is the mother of all invention. That's right. But yeah, this is just, that's what really scares me is that none of this is actually looked in terms of what the experience, like how this helps your product, how this helps your workers, how this helps their day

to day or whatever, it's purely how much, how do I, how do I like kind of save some money that I could just kind of snort back up into the shareholders? How? It is going to be interesting. Brian, the editor points out, once everybody is broken homeless and they supposedly have AI running everything,

who do they think is going to buy anything? They haven't thought that far, and then at that point, they're just gonna try and just completely nullify our ability to resist. UBI, UBI. Meaningful. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

All of that shit, that's why even that quote from the CEO, it reeks of the Sam Altman cyanide quote, where it's like, we gotta be honest, guys. We're about to fucking fuck over 10 to 20% of the workforce. If that's the case, fuck you. And you should fucking go get fucked if you're actually sitting at the wheel of thinking,

this is actually gonna affect 10 to 20% of people's employment and their ability to exist under capitalism, then actually you are the ops and like, what the fuck are you, what are we talking about? Then you need to rethink what your product does. If you're like, yeah, the effect of this is going to be fucked up. But I think Obama like buying in and being like, let me be clear. We should, we should look at this. Like is, I think that's significant.

Like he's the Pope of neoliberalism, you know? Pope Nvidia the ninth. Louisiana passed a bill. This is in some good news. Louisiana passed a bill to ban chemtrails. So finally. Someone's fucking doing something. That's gonna be so funny. Like if they, it just passed the house and now it has to go to the state Senate. But like, just, are they just going to be like sitting there watching the planes go

by? Cause like chemtrails are not, that's just like what happens when a plane flies through the, yeah. I want to see them try. This is one that like, I can't wait to see Louisiana cut, put together the science on how they're going to ban chemtrails slash contrails from this guy. What are they going to do? Right?

Cause the whole thing is the measure directs the Louisiana department of environmental quality to record reported chemtrails sightings and pass complaints to the air national guard. Oh, that's going to be a database of stupid. Lawmakers removed penalties for violations, opting instead for further investigation and document. Yeah, because they're gonna be, they're gonna be like, yeah, come up there with us.

Look in the fucking plane, we're not doing anything. It's fucking water. They should, I mean, that'll be a blot. And once they see that, they'll, everything will be cleared up and they'll move off it. So fucking stupid. Brian the editor was pointing out,

they could just like go hang off the wing like Tom Cruise. Yeah, taste it. All right. All right, now it's water. It's water actually. I wanna come back inside, I'm losing my grip. And then in really devastating news to close out kind of a bad news day, but the actor from Parks and Rec,

Jonathan Joss, most famously voice of John Redcorn of King of the Hill was also, you know, made appearances on Parks and Rec. So he was murdered in a hate crime and his husband revealed the extent of the interaction that led to his shooting death. And it's, it's just wild. I mean, it's, he was murdered by a homophobic monster and like a total hate crime. So his husband posted sort of like a breakdown of what happened. Then on TMZ now they have

quotes from their neighbors, like, there was no homophobia. It wasn't homophobic at all. It's just that they hated each other. I'm like, what does that even mean? And then like, now they're saying like, he used to bang pot, like this guy, Jonathan Joss, he was a real bad neighbor. And I'm like, what is, I'm like having such trouble believing this. Like this feels so weird. The police are like, we have no evidence of a hate crime. I don't know, according to Jonathan Joss's husband, this guy was saying wild racial slurs

and apparently there was like the skull of their dog. Like that was, I don't know what's, it's a terrible story. But the headlines at first were that he died, not even murdered. And then I'm like, oh, he passed away. And then you like click, then I clicked and I was like, oh my God, he was fucking murdered by his neighbor? What the fuck happened?

Like in a disagreement. Then we got this post from his husband with some more details and now like these counter reports that it's like, ah, whatever that guy, whatever they're saying is like, is not true. Regardless, absolutely fucked up and terrible. But yeah, it's just like, I'm like really confused why TMZ is like now like, no homophobia,

no homophobia. Got to trust the murderers version of events. Yeah, exactly. And them and their side of things. But then like the comment section on there completely melted. Sounded like he wasn't a good guy. It's like, what are you talking about?

Because you had a dispute with your neighbors? Anyway, really, really, really devastating loss. Yeah. Please, I hope they sort this fucking situation out so I don't have to read weird contradicting shit in TMZ, which I always go for all of my hardcore news. Yeah, but every one of these news sources, by the way, every one of these stories was sourced from TMZ. Except for the Gaza stuff. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, they don't talk about that. That is gonna do it for this afternoon's episode. We are back tomorrow with the

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