The Daily Zeitgeist - Dead On Mt. Trendverest 5/14: Todd Gray

Episode Date: May 14, 2026

In this very special edition of the show, Jack and Miles are joined by Miles' dad/artist Todd Gray to discuss his work and influences! TODD GRAY LACMA Opens With New Commission by Todd Gray — T...ODD GRAY See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:02 Swiss beats. The Dean family, huh? Posted a picture with my dad and my stepmom and then him and Alicia Keys and it said the Grays and the Deans on his Instagram story. Just a family hang. My dad, you don't even know fucking Swiss beats like that. Are you a fan of his music? Well, I didn't know what. You know what?
Starting point is 00:00:29 After I did a search and I saw my God, my favorite Kanye song. some of my best Beyonce and Jay-Z. And I said, oh, shit, I've been listening to him for a long time. Hey, you're pretty good. Hey, all right, Mr. Beetz. Picking up what you're putting down. Okay. And then we saw Alyssa Keyes Broadway show.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Alyssa Keith. Look, man. Alicia. Alicia. Hey, man. I love hanging out with you Swiss cheese and your wife. Alyssa Silverstone
Starting point is 00:01:05 Yeah Alyssa beats That's like what I call Zandia zinobia Oh no I fuck up all of these people I know you fuck people's names That's kind of your thing though Is fucking up names
Starting point is 00:01:17 That is just Can't be exact you Um Okay let's do this All right Wait wait Wait are both of you gonna be on it Yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:01:26 We'll both be It'll be a conversation With all three of us Yeah I'm just gonna fuck with me you thought Miles wasn't going to be on the show? Yeah, just you. I don't want to talk to him.
Starting point is 00:01:40 All right, Brian, you need to include all this. We'll have a cold open on this trending. Wait, Miles is going to be like your son? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's going to be on this. I'm off this. I'm off this. Experience Harry Styles live in London, England at Wembley Stadium. This is Harry Styles. IHart Radio wants to send you and a mate across the pond
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Starting point is 00:05:54 We decided that they probably not like pry the rich people loose so that they can be. Just feel like throwing a frozen corpse down a mountainside isn't safe or needed for anybody. Ride them down like a bobsled. my name is Jack O'Brien. That over there is Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, hey, hey, hey. And we, this is a bit of a special trending episode. Do things a little bit differently around here.
Starting point is 00:06:18 First time with us? Have you dined with us before? Okay, we do things a little bit differently here. On this episode. Yeah. We're doing this episode family style. Yeah, truly, truly. We're truly family style because we were joined by Miles's father for the second time.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Yeah. In the history of the show. show. Yes. Mr. Todd Gray. Hi, dad.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Hey, hey, hey, hey, good morning. Good afternoon. Good morning. Wow. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:06:45 We're not prank calling you this time. Yeah. Yeah. Your first appearance on the call is when we prank called you. And I said, I remember when that day you told me you and mom were splitting up. Yeah. Oh shit, man.
Starting point is 00:06:56 That fucked me up. No. It was not a cool prank call, by the way. It was not. It was locked up. It felt right in the way that because it was such a sincere interaction. I thought it was.
Starting point is 00:07:07 it would be funny. And then everyone's like, damn, like you and your dad, that's pretty cool. Like, you guys are able to. Yeah, I felt so bad about that. And then everybody, when we did our 2000th episode, it was a memory that people kept being like, that, that was one of my favorite moments. It was so real. It got real. It got real. It got real. And dad, it isn't March 7th today. So you can be, you know, assured that that's not what I'm talking about. The reason also why, and even for listeners that you're on is this is this has been a very momentous few months for you dad in your art career and i'm i would be lying through my teeth if i said i wasn't deeply deeply proud of everything you've accomplished over your many years not just as my dad but as you as an
Starting point is 00:07:54 artist trying to figure out how you get how you how you do art for your living and that's something that you always told me you wanted to do and you put that aside to provide for a family and we're teaching and you put those art ambitions aside and now you've truly had like a renaissance and first of all dad i just want to say i'm so fucking proud of you and i want all the listeners to know that i'm very proud of you and i'm honored to know like i'm that i fall off of your your your your branch of a family tree there's one apple that fell far from the tree start crying start crying now start crying i'm trying to get this with me i'm trying to to get this web yet.
Starting point is 00:08:36 But for real, it's crazy because, like, Dad, in this last month, you've, you have a show at this, at this gallery for people who don't know Peritin in Los Angeles. You have a show there until the end of this month, which is huge. Like, this is like, one of the great galleries. Yeah. Yeah. Big, huge show. Rukami was there right before.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Yeah. Yeah, right. Exactly. Which is wild to me to me. Yeah. And not only that, there was the unveiling, like, you are also at LACMA in the new David Geffen galleries. Like, you are part, like, you are, your, your piece is permanently installed in the building. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:15 100 years. Yeah. Unless, you know, there's some kind of new year. Did you sign a contract? They were like 100 years. It is. There was, yeah. How many years?
Starting point is 00:09:23 A hundred at least because the artwork has to last a certain amount of years. And originally they wanted, I was going to do the photos on paper. And those have kind of a lifespan of 30 to 40. So I had to submit two sets so that they could switch it out every 50 years. Yeah. And then I found this other technology. So yeah, 100 years, baby. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Wow. And not only that, then, too, this week, your art is what was installed in the new D-line metro stop at Los Yeniga and Wilshire. Like, you're, it's just crazy to me that, like, now your work is fully part of, like, the landscape and texture of Los Angeles, the city that you're born in, the city that I'm raised in. And I just think that shit is so dope. So I wanted to really celebrate you. And also people that live in LA, you've got to check out this piece that my dad has at the David Geffen Gallery.
Starting point is 00:10:12 He's like, you know, you took, you've taken many portraits over the years. And a lot of your work comes from your archives, like, whether it was work you did with like Michael Jackson or Octavia Butler. And like, Iggy Pop. Yeah. And yeah, Iggy Pop. Like there's there used to be my housemate. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Crazy. Yeah, you, yeah, there's some story. Like, I feel like we could just do a storytellers, like, podcast with you. Yeah. And so, I mean, like, again, dad, congratulations. I also just want it. I just want everybody, especially LA's I can, go check it out. Because it's been such, like, a long road. And I think it's just so, so cool to see you arrive at this moment. Do people even know? Like, do our listeners know that your dad is a famous art? Like, I think we've, like, referenced that he's a photographer, but I don't know that we've like gone into the depth. I haven't, you know, like, I definitely on the show keep a lot of like my sort of super personal stuff, like kind of out of it, except for when I call my dad on the day of the anniversary of one's for divorce. I just bleed on the podcast. But it's just something for me, too, like at the, it's, it's been an evolution. Like, it's, it's really in the last few years.
Starting point is 00:11:26 It's completely gone in this other direction. And I think part of me, yeah, yeah. I got to break in really quick because it's like when I got in the Whitney Biennial and the New York Times sent a photographer over and we're talking. And then I mentioned to him, do you listen to the Daily Zichaius? And he goes, yeah. And I said, Miles Grace is my son. He goes, Miles is your son?
Starting point is 00:11:49 And then that became my cred. But I was, my husband. That's what I know. Oh, shit. You guys are doing something over that. Well, now I'm doing it the other way now. And I'm like, get the fuck out my way. My dad made this art piece.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Hands off of me. You just camped out all day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just pointing at it. But, I mean, yeah, I've, that's really the main reason. But Jack, I know you kind of, you have actual questions. I know everything about my dad. So maybe you can ask me and then I'll answer before my dad. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:20 I'll just sit on the sideline to be quiet. All right. First question. What was Miles like as a kid? He says he could dunk at AJ. is that true? Don't fuck me. Don't fuck me.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Actually, actually was age six. Yeah, okay. That's right. I had it all messed up in my head. On roller blades, he said. He dug off roller blades.
Starting point is 00:12:41 It's crazy. All right. Now, I do want to ask because your, your art is very complex. You're, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:49 it's like photo collages. You're bringing all these different elements together. Everybody should just, like, as you're listening to this, go to Toddgrayart. dot com, I think, just to like see.
Starting point is 00:12:59 I think that's the URL, but just Google Todd Gray. There's another photographer called Todd Gray, so don't get him fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're, you're the black, Todd Gray. You own the SEO at this point. The, your success is such.
Starting point is 00:13:13 But, um, I'm just curious, you know, we, we drink from the fire hose of the news cycle on this podcast, but you are commenting on things, uh, you know, in the world. I'm just curious like, what is your relationship?
Starting point is 00:13:29 How do you take the world in as an artist? How does it like filter down through your artwork? Are you actively like seeking inspiration? Or does it just like kind of find you? What's your process like? Well, you know, I've been doing this for more than 50 years. And in that, I found that I just listened to my body and I kind of just listen to my inner antenna. and when I see things that are really fucked up, which is daily, I like to give it a historical context.
Starting point is 00:14:00 So I try to step back, and I'm not talking stepping back 50 years. I try to step back thinking wise, a hundred years, a couple hundred years, so that we can see this pattern has been occurring for centuries. And then I try to make that connection in my artwork. So the daily weirdness that happens is a pattern. And I try to expose that pattern through imagery. Yeah, so it's like a lot of the ship it's going on is because of capitalism and greed. But then you go back before capitalism, it was feudalism, and you have the peasants. And so, and then when the Industrial Revolution, it was the union people trying to get their rights.
Starting point is 00:14:46 And then they're actually not only just beat down, they were shot, killed by police and so forth. And those are white people too. Right. So. And these were my bedtime stories. This does make sense. This is why. We didn't have good night moon.
Starting point is 00:15:06 We had, let me tell you about the Pinkertons. So I just wanted to make sure I radicalize my little baby. Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you. No, I'm very appreciative. I mean, I think you have such a sober-eyed look at history and like white supremacy, colonialism and how those themes are just in just ever present um yet there are things that we to this
Starting point is 00:15:31 day we refuse to really reckon with and i think that's something we always talked about on the show too is like we have these huge societal wounds that we don't address and we still wonder like why we keep falling into these same patterns and cycles and the new cycle is specifically really bad at not like not understanding the historical context and that these are parts
Starting point is 00:15:55 of something that's been happening over and over again it behooves them to like put it in 20 point font and make it seem like it's the first time that something like this has ever happened because it makes it more sensational but yeah so that's what that's what art is for yeah there's a crazy
Starting point is 00:16:11 irony because the books that we were smuggling in to the iron curtain and the CIA was smuggling in to really show the folks that they were being oppressed and these are fascist regimes and those books were like 1984, Fahrenheit 451,
Starting point is 00:16:31 those same books now are being banned. Right, right. So to completely dumb down the population here so that we don't see how power, hegemony is controlling our lives and taking complete advantage of our own. subject of our own sovereignty, of our own freedom.
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Starting point is 00:20:19 I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. All right. Second question. What makes you most excited about AI?
Starting point is 00:20:43 How are you incorporating AI into your life? A future of human creativity, right? That's funny. No, your next question is just you have, you seem to have a fascination with pop culture icons in your work. your work features Iggy Pop, Michael Jackson, Chuck Barry, different icons.
Starting point is 00:21:09 I'm just curious, like, how do you think about these icons? How do you choose which icons to use? What is it that, like, calls to you about them? It's funny. Well, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:21 I've shot over 100 album covers over the years, worked with the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, all these, as I said earlier, shared a house with e-pop. I was deeply immersed in rock because
Starting point is 00:21:35 since I was 17, rock music, which basically is black music. It comes from the blues. It's always had a huge effect on me. But I separated it. I separated that from fine art. So, like, fine art is high culture,
Starting point is 00:21:52 pop culture is low culture. Sure. And then I started thinking, no, it's just culture. C-U-L-T-U-R-E. It's not high. it's not low. It's just culture.
Starting point is 00:22:02 And that's when I said, hey, I'm going to start bringing these pop idols, icons into my visual conversation on par with frescoes and monuments and images of power that talk about history and domination. So mythology. So I have this one thing where I have this fresco, which is taken in a palazzo, a palace in Florence, and it's Hercules. And I put Al Green, you know, gesturing up towards Hercules to sort of put them on the same thing.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Because in that time, I mean, because Al Green, when I was growing up, I mean, he was as powerful as Hercules. You know, Mick Jagger, you know, Jay-Z, these folks, they in our head, they occupy the same kind of space that, mythological heroes occupy. And so I want to put that into play and elevate and equalize pop culture with this high culture. Yeah, we talk about how like this fan culture that is somewhat toxic, but just people willing to seemingly live and die for these, you know, fandoms and that like that kind of rose up as religion was kind of dying off in America. and it's like sort of, it's sort of what we have now.
Starting point is 00:23:30 You know, these are our religious figures. That is kind of why we spend so much time, I think, talking about icons on the show is because it's like, these are our Greek gods and our, you know, idols. You know, earlier in culture or in civilization, we would get together and there would be a shaman or a soothsayer or something like that. We'd all come around a fire,
Starting point is 00:23:54 and we would be led by someone who would show us. us the sublime, show us these possible other worlds, and we would go into an ecstatic state. I think the music venue, the rock concert, that is an equivalent. And that's one thing I noticed when I was younger, like when I'd turn around from the stage and I'd see people in like a religious ecstatic expression. Sure, some of that was enhanced by drugs. And it might have been back then too. Yeah, yeah. You were right. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I thought, wow, this is the modern equivalent of those kinds of rituals that have been part of the human experience for millennia. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:39 Just like with your art, you know, like a lot of it is very subtle if you don't have like a historically savvy eye. And I'm always curious, like, how often do people look at your work? And they're like, oh, this is so pretty. Like, what is it about? And you're like, this is about slavery. And they're like, oh, oh, this garden pass. Yeah, that's where the slaves walk to the Atlantic Ocean. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:00 And you're like, ah, like, how often does that happen? And also, like, what is that kind of, when people look at it, do you, do you, are, I'm, I'm, I'm assuming that's also part of it is like, you want them to sort of engage with the deeper and deeper to really make meaning of something that might just be as innocuous. It's like, oh, that's a, that's a nice garden. You're like, no, that's King Leopold's garden from Belgium. Do you know about King Leopold and what the Belgians did in Africa? Do you, like, do you understand how this was built?
Starting point is 00:25:25 How do you sort of, like, at times? when people maybe have a misunderstanding. I mean, obviously people who are going to see your work understand what it's about, but how often do you have those moments or people are kind of like, oh, this is, this is pretty. Those, those aha moments come often. And really, I make what I call sugar-coated pills. So people just, mm, they like the sweet, they like the sugar. And then if they want to go a little deeper, they want to go, wait, something's troubling me.
Starting point is 00:25:52 I use these little techniques, like I'll throw something. I won't make it totally balanced or totally. symmetrical. I'll have it off just like an inch or two. So it becomes, the image becomes an irritant. And they want to know, why isn't it perfect? Why is it off slightly? Or my God, it's so beautiful. But there's something kind of off over here. I try to create those moments so that then they ask a question. And again, that's why I will cover. I'll put photos on top of on top of other photos. So the viewer has to go, wait, this is blocking it. What's behind that? why am I not seeing the whole photograph? What is this obscuring? So I make the image a question. And then the viewer, to answer that question, they'll have to read up, they'll have to provide their own answer, but they'll have to think. They just won't look at it and swallow it and move on. I want them to think. But yes, there are times where people are going, oh, this is so beautiful, this is so beautiful. What is that or where is that from? And then, yeah, I'll go, oh, that's King Leopold's garden. And, you know, Leopold,
Starting point is 00:26:54 Leopold and the Catholic Church approved the genocide of two million Congolese in the late 19th century because of the rubber plantations. Oh. Oh, that's pretty. That's pretty. So pretty. Such a pretty garden. I'm a gardener. A bit of a green thumb.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Oh, but you know what? It happened on the negative side, and I had a show a couple of years ago at Velmeter after I read the Velmeter Gallery in L.A. After I won the Rome Prize, and I lived there for six months, and I was brought up a Catholic, but I know of the atrocities and the horror of the history of the Catholic Church. So I was pretty much talking about the support of colonialism and the control of folks in Asia and Africa and so forth in my influence. imagery and someone came to the gallery at the opening and they said, wait a second, I read that this was somebody that was in Rome and was doing work on the Catholic Church. But this is horrible. This is what, I mean, they're really beautiful, but this is really critical of the Catholic Church.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Yeah. You're like, go on. Go on. Go on. And so I went, yes, that's, yes, I got you in because otherwise you wouldn't even think about the, uh, You wouldn't think critically about this power structure called the Catholic Church. I mean, I believe that you have a one-to-one relationship with spirit, and if that is in the conduit of that, a relationship is through the church, that's great. But the institution of the church, the institution of religion is historically pretty dark and funky, pretty dark and funky. I want to ask you, you used to photograph Michael Jackson. You've used him in your work. I feel like this is a whole episode that we just might have to have you back because I know we've kept you for past you. You have to run.
Starting point is 00:28:58 But any closing thoughts on Michael Jackson? Why is he interesting to you? I used him in a lot of my work earlier because he's the most recognizable black person in the world. And I like that using that figure as an icon. So you sort of use him as the sugar to get some look at it, use that star power to get someone to look at my image. But then, hey, wait, what's that covering? Why? What is that castle?
Starting point is 00:29:29 That's not a castle. That's a slave fortress. Right. Yeah. But I use him and his image to get people in the door to look at what I'm saying and to think. So, yeah. I'm just blessed that I worked with him for four years as his personal photographer. And I hold my own copyright.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Yeah. Yeah. That was smart. Early 80s, early 80s, we should also specify. Early he was left when he was back. Yeah, yeah. Off the wall through Thriller Book Plug. So Michael Jackson, before he was King, was my big book that I, a photo book with stories and all sorts of things.
Starting point is 00:30:04 And the artist photo, I mean, the photo of the author was taken by Andy Warhol. So don't, you know, make sure you look at that on the book flag. Yeah. Yeah. But that's back. And that's how I met your mother, Miles, was on through at a Jackson party. Like Miles wouldn't be here. It wasn't from Michael Jackson.
Starting point is 00:30:21 That's crazy. Crazy, bro. And so how come you didn't stay together? We'll have to cover that on March 7th, 2000, 22, 27. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Let's have a bet laid down.
Starting point is 00:30:39 All right. Amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us, especially at this very busy time in your career. Always so great talking to you. Yeah. And yeah, anything else we should cover? Yeah, much appreciation. And if you're in L.A., I'm giving a talk at the, at LACMA, starting at 2 o'clock,
Starting point is 00:31:00 Los Angeles County Museum of Art, and about my metro station. And then we'll actually. You said 2 o'clock? Just any 12th? So that's March. I'm sorry, May, May 17th at 2 o'clock. But you'll need a reservation. Just go to the Lackma website, make a reservation.
Starting point is 00:31:18 And then we're going to go. Metro is going to get free metro cards to go one subway stop from the museum to my Los Angeles, Walshire, where I've done three levels of over 300 running feet of art. And I'll do a walkthrough of that. So that's all happening at Lackma 2 o'clock, May 17. But you need to R.SVP. Do it. Go do it. Go do it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for stopping by. Thanks for stopping by, dad. Love your son. Love your son. Jack. Keep on. Keep on.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Thank you so much. Great talking to you. All right. That was Miles' dad. Yep. Yep. That was crazy. We were going to do,
Starting point is 00:32:00 we're going to do like trends after this, but I feel like that's, I feel like that's an episode. That was, that was a lot, you know? We learned a lot about your dad and we learned a lot about like that.
Starting point is 00:32:12 It's crazy how much his work is like the same shit that we talk about on the show. Just like, really smart and deep and beautiful. For sure, for sure. And I mean, it's just crazy. Like the stuff that he hasn't even talked about, like there's so many things that are like pop culture iconography.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Like, like he shot the the poster for the movie Jungle Fever, the Spike Lee film. Yeah. The black and the white hand like together. Like that's something my dad did. He was, you know, like did. Anyway, I'm just so, like I said at the beginning, it's so crazy to me to see him do this now because.
Starting point is 00:32:48 I remember when I was a kid, he would drag me to, like, grad school because we didn't have babysitters or anything. And, like, I would just, like, sit in on him doing, like, art grad school shit. And he, at the time, he was doing it because he's like, I have to go to grad school so I can teach because my art career isn't going to, this, it ain't it. Right. I thought I could be an artist and support a family like that. And he put just all of that aside to, like, really focus. And that was, it's just a beautiful sort of sort of story unfold. that it like took that putting your own ambition to the side or to you know just do what he had
Starting point is 00:33:24 to do and then like have all this shit come to fruition now I think it also just shows like there's it's never you'll never never miss a boat or anything that idea like oh I missed that was my window like they're really hitting his stride like as he's entering his 70s yeah like that's crazy yeah yeah I'm sure he's like damn I wish I wasn't 71 so stay tuned to this podcast because it's just going to keep getting better and better as Miles approach is 70. Get ready for the next 30 years. All right.
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