The Daily Zeitgeist - Debt Ceiling Death Race, No Writers? No Problem! 05.19.23

Episode Date: May 19, 2023

In episode 1486, Miles and guest co-host super producer, Justin Connor, are joined by the creators of High Science, Matt Klinman and Zack Poitras, to discuss… The Debt Ceiling Sh*t Show Continues…, ABC Unveils Depressing Writer-less Schedule, Jimmy Fallon’s Staff Won’t Be Paid...But At Least He Has The New Zelda Game, Look Out: Will Fast X Lead To People Driving Like Maniacs This Weekend? And more! The Debt Ceiling Sh*t Show Continues… Wicked game: Kevin McCarthy's debt-ceiling "crisis" is political theater at its worst ABC Unveils Depressing, Writer-less Schedule Fox Loads Up on Unscripted Series for 2023-24 ‘The Bachelor’ Senior Citizen Season Is (Finally) Coming This Fall Jimmy Fallon’s Staff Won’t Be Paid...But At Least He Has The New Zelda Game "If you have a Blue Sky account, we are bullying Jimmy Fallon" (A Twitter Thread) Look Out: Will Fast X Lead To People Driving Like Maniacs This Weekend? Drag Race Deaths, Fast Film Linked 'Fast and the Furious' Movies Linked to People Driving Recklessly Car chases in movies embolden Albertans to drive fast and furious, study shows Sales of Corona Beer Going Up Fast & Furiously Any Brew You Want, As Long As It’s a Corona LISTEN: dk001 by Tlim ShugSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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get your podcast presented by capital one founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to season 287 287 i said you got it fuck i mean 287 not 280 stepping wolf episode 5 of the daily zeitgeist. It's a production of iHeartRadio. It still is that, okay? And it's still a fucking podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And you're hearing my voice, so you know what time it is. The substitute teacher is in the fucking building, and he is high as shit.

He just got out his Mitsubishi, and the smoke clouds are billowing out. It's Friday, May 19th. It's Friday! I fucking love Fridays. May 19th, and 19th. It's Friday! I fucking love Fridays. Fuck yeah. May 19th. And guess what? It's NASCAR Day. Didn't know that that was a thing. It's National

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Yeah. My name is Miles Gray. I'm your lovely host, a.k.a. I'm sorry, Ms. Feinstein. Ooh, I am for real. Shouldn't have to work until you die. It's time to give term limits a try. Okay, shout out to At Right to Post.

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And look, DJ, producer, I don't know what else to say. All around fantastic human. Please welcome to the microphone, Justin Conner. Man, it's your boy, Justin Conner, straight out of Chicago, the perpetual shy guy on a 12-year siesta in Los Angeles. There you go. Yeah, I'm out here. With the artist arms, like we were talking yesterday.

Yeah, I got the artist arms, the little noodle arms. But, you know, I'm trying to decorate them up with some art right here. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. My arm is a little raw right now. But, man, amazing, fantastic artist i linked up with danny cancino i'm gonna drop more for information at the end of the show and plug her because man i couldn't be happier and i only have like 20 of the tattoos i love that you're 20 and you're like

and i recommend it yeah and then cut to later you're like man it was a l man oh no 80 was so fucked up no i, I'm joking. But anyway, you doing good, Justin? Yeah, I'm doing great, man. Fantastic. You know, shoe game looking strong as ever in the background. You know, hey, man, this is what are those dollars worth of mistakes? What are those? What are those?

Are those threes down low? What are those? Yeah. Those are the men years. Those are the. Oh, yeah. Those are good from my sneaker heads out there. We love those.

We love those. We love those. But first, we got to introduce our guests today. We've got fantastic writers, comedians, performers, scientific explorers, if you will. They got a show on HBO Max that is pretty in line with all of my interests because it's called High Science. And I like science science but i also love high i love high you know i think people know that on this show i love high i love to get high you know so it's one of the greatest things ever and combining that with science makes it a fantastic show which is very accessible for people like me who have a add adult brain

please welcome to the microphone slash stage mr matt kleinman is that hello good to see you nice to be here dude yeah thanks for having us guys yeah yeah uh i gotta say the show is fucking great man i love like i said i like science but i like high and you have a show where paul bettany voices a like a sentient bong that helps teach you about complex scientific concepts. That's pretty much everything I need in my life. And I've got to say, like I was telling you guys off, Mike, I fuck with anything Paul Bettany does, mostly because he's an Arsenal fan like me. So that's really I have no really no idea about his artistic acumen. But just because we fuck with the same team.

I love him. But yeah, welcome to the show. Like, how are how are things with the both of you? Oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much for digging the show. Yeah. I mean, we made it for. Yeah.

For people like you. People who just wanted to, like, get high and, like, put something on. Like, the ideal person watching a show is like you come back home from a party or something but you want to like you're gonna like eat you got like like jack in the box tacos on the way home or something and you want to smoke a little bit more and put something on while you eat them yeah that is what we made the show for that exactly the best thing that i can recommend for anyone is something that has a low level of entry but then you get fascinated with that is all i needed was one sentence to jump in headfirst. Oh, yeah. Look, this is easy. Sentient

bong teaches people lessons about science. What? That's amazing. He's our spirit guide. You know, he guides us through our Yeah, so we get we get high on what we're gonna learn that day. So it's like we get high on Neanderthals, we get high on trees. And then the rest of the episode is our hallucinogenic journey. Learning about these topics from you know, scientists who are at the top of their game out there. We're also you know, hallucinating interviews with them and yeah, the whole way Dr. O Paul Beny is is guiding us with his robot bong geniusness. And I know what's know, how like are y'all actual stoners? Or are you just really clever creators? I got a

Yeah, yeah Part of me is like they don't seem high during this you had the skeptical look in your eye miles I you got it. No, you got no Super sober for the shooting of it. Yeah, we were like we had to be super sober for the shooting of it because we were like we had to shoot right right the whole thing in like two days and it was like teleprompters and pressure and it's like that whole season in two days yes dude you guys would not like this show was like the lowest budget like scrappy thing like it's a miracle that it got made like the whole thing is like handcrafted and we like tried to make it you know and it's amazing it's. It's on HBO max, but like truly, yeah, we shot the whole thing in two days on front

of the green screen. Wow. Yeah. The whole high part. And then we had one half day in the lab, which is where bookends the whole experience. Right. Right. Right.

Yeah. Well, this sounds like I, my little high self in the mid two thousands watching adults swim when it was in its heyday. Like it really feels like you captured the heart of like my yeah what i wanted at that time yeah if you fuck yeah if you fuck with adult swim if you fuck with aqua team if you fuck with science like all that it's it's all like it's all very uh rhetorically related that's why yeah i really dig this yeah because it seems like the same people who love adult swim shit also like to put on planet earth you know what i'm saying

i feel like those things are definitely like those people are curious about shit in different ways but also aligned i brought up planet earth yes in yesterday's episode that's how much planet earth it just rings through my skull because when that dvd set came out in the globe in the globe oh yeah getting high as shit and again i'll keep saying it my favorite episode caves because that intro when the guy jumps into the fucking jumps in and just disappears in the darkness and i'll have to say it every time i just want to feel that i don't know why i want to jump into a void and vanish i don't know if that's dangerous or says something about like my you know outlook on the earth but hey that's my fantasy at the moment. I would love to be in a cave

and then all of a sudden watch it come to life with like bioluminescence. Yeah. Like all these like little creatures who never see the light of day, but they can glow in the dark. And for some reason, I can see them very clearly and easily.

I would love that. Yeah, 100%. Well, Matt, Zach, we're going to get to know you a little bit better. But first, let's clue people in on what we're going to talk about. Some serious shit first. The debt ceiling shit show continues there is this fucking stupid ass

pantomime between the democrats and republicans about like oh man it's gonna fuck up the economy but we're gonna do a deal it's gonna be catastrophic don't worry we're not gonna default but if we do oh shit it's like it's exhausting it's exhausting. And really all it is, is like, it's all just a fucking performative act just to cut social spending. Because this is what happens every single fucking time. So we'll touch in on that because it is talked about a lot in the news,

but not in this way that needs to cast a little more cynicism on the process. And since we're with some creators, some people who have made some shows, I think it's good to talk about just sort of what the writer lists sort of slates look like for people's entertainment coming up. Because with the writer's strike, guess what? Y'all not getting anything new. So what are the networks doing? They're scraping the bottom of the fucking barrel. And we'll talk about some of those shows, as well as like, Jimmy Fallonon like flexing he was stunting on people about the

new zelda game we'll talk about that too because it all fits in with the strike and uh and then we'll wrap it up because the new fast and furious movie is coming out we gotta we gotta ask is this going to cause more people to drive like they are out their fucking minds are more dom toretto wannabes gonna hit the road because apparently there's some some statistics that seem to suggest that this movie is inspiring some idiotic behavior behind the wheel. But hey, we'll talk about that and plenty more. But first, who do we start with, Matt or Zach?

I'm going to ask you, what's something from your search history that reveals a little bit about who you are or what you're into? Yeah, Zach, you go, man. You got that. Yeah. So I've kind of taken over both of our search histories because last, my search history is all poison IV treatment based searches. A week and a half ago, I was shooting a short film in Cape Cod and it was, we were doing a nighttime shot and I needed to, I'm not going to say exactly what the whole film is about, but I needed to get a giant spoon that was like technicolor lighting up to lift off this mound

at this cranberry bog in Cape Cod. And so I was laying on this mound and it was nighttime and I was actually just scared of ticks, right? I was like, there's tons of ticks around here. So I laid down to jack and I was like, this is all good. And then as you know, I was down there for like an hour and a half trying to get this shot to work. And I'm just laying on the ground. I'm like, you know what, I keep checking. I'm not seeing any ticks. This is awesome, man. I've avoided all the ticks. And then two days later, I start to get these little bumps on my arms. And I'm like, wait, what is going on? Like, and then I was like, did I get a mosquito bite? And then I realized that that mound that I was laying in, I had realized this before, like a month ago, I tracked it in my brain. I was like, don't forget that mound is covered in poison ivy. And I realized, oh no, I've covered my arms and my neck and my head in poison ivy. And over the plane ride back to the West Coast, I just started to like scratch more. And like I started to feel it. And then over the next the course of the week, I just like I just got a rash and it was all over my body.

And it's been an insane experience. But I'm finally getting better. And I sent photos to Matt to tell him about it. And he reacted with horror. And he also started looking at poison ivy. Well, here's what I didn't know. I assume like, oh, poison ivy, like that'll wreck your day or a couple days poison ivy lasts two to three weeks oh fuck really yeah is it is there a difference between poison ivy and poison

oak like is one better they release the same uristitol they're uristitol i can't remember how to pronounce it but they're fine you do a show about high science no one's gonna the same oil that is uh released by all these different rights and it does the same thing and and that and interacting with that can be a two to three week fuck fest basically for your skin is it also it like it makes it so that you can when you just brush against it you spread the oil down your arms around your skin it gets all over so i ended up getting it like all over places that weren't even exposed. I'm from Illinois. Like we moved to this little town after a while. There was just, it was covered with poison ivy when you wanted to go camping or fishing, which is new to me.

I was like, okay, yeah, I love the outdoors now. I used to be surrounded by concrete and pavement and whatnot. And no one told me about poison oak, poison ivy. They literally, weirdly enough, they told me to poison oak poison ivy they literally weirdly enough they told me to watch out for lyme disease and ticks like that was the biggest thing yeah and i we were just kids we were rolling up and down a hill like for hours and hours and hours same exact thing happened to me but i got it all in like my inner, and I could not resist scratching. And I spread that shit everywhere.

It was painful. Yeah, it was like one of the most painful experiences I've ever went through. And shortly before that, I had a fishing hook go through my finger and come out the other side. I would say poison ivy was slightly, because it lasted so long. But I went back to fishing that afternoon after the fish hook thing. The poison ivy took me out i didn't go outside for like a month i know that was i was running the other day i was like hey man there's this hill new hill i want to roll down man you want to come check it out with me

you're like no never i was like okay shit make me feel like a child yeah you got to scope out the hills before you roll down them yeah that's fucked up man yeah please be careful out there with the poison ivies and oaks and matt you were saying you were also searching because you just in solidarity you're like i gotta yeah well i just wanted to know how long my boyfriend was gonna be i literally was stopped i would be like talking to man be like dude i gotta go i gotta take a cold shower or something man like i'm just like so amped up and i was talking to him i I was like, what is going on? But now I just couldn't stand still. Picturing, picturing you on a flight as you're like realizing it's getting worse.

I feel like I feel bad for the other passengers too, who might be like, is this guy? Yeah, it was definitely like a, just keep it cool. Just keep it. Yeah. Like, cause you're probably like, don't start scratching. You're just like, yeah. Yeah. Obligatory.

Sorry. This is on a podcast, but this is the photos. Oh no. that's rough yeah yeah yeah i don't wish listeners just imagine like red splotches all over a man oh man it looks so bad i would wish that on mitch mcconnell um what's something y'all think is overrated oh okay i got this one i don't know i don't know maybe your audience is like cinephiles and i'm fucking myself and everyone's going to. But I, you know, like sight and sound poll top movie. I finally watched In the Mood for Love.

Are you guys familiar with this movie? In the Mood for Love? No. It's considered one of the greatest films of all time. Like it topped the like sight and sound like a tour, you know, list in 2012, I think. like sight and sound like a tour you know list in 2012 i think like it's always in the mix like letterbox people are always talking about in the mood for love is like actually this is the greatest oh this is a wonkar y film yeah wonkar y and this movie is horribly overrated it's like the thing is it is beautiful and there's like the hallway thing with the music. Like, if you've seen it or know it, like, that is great. But the whole movie is just about two people who should fuck and then they don't fuck. And that's the whole thing.

And you're just like, oh, these guys should fuck. You're like, this is overly romanticized. It's crazy. It's like these two people whose partners cheat on them with each other and then they fall in love and then it's like okay yeah so you guys can do it too you should fuck but they don't man it's and it's so interesting you bring this up matt because um i live with my sister she's you know the audience is familiar with her joelle monique amazing film critic so it's kind of hard to have an argument with her about this stuff so generally i I come from a place of curiosity. I'm like, why is this? Or why does this happen? She was watching some melodramatic thing the other

day. And I had the same thing. I was like, this was an eight minute conversation about whether they love each other or not. And I'm like already four steps ahead. I'm like, just get to it. You know what I mean? And she was like, yeah and she was like you're missing the point of melodrama it's like almost kissing is like the hottest thing you know not like not quite getting there and i was like all right you know i it's not for me but like i'm i'm trying to appreciate the the art form a little slow the slow burn yeah right yeah yeah of will they want but then you got to get to the burn you got to get to the fire yeah yeah yeah come on yeah and it's just like why didn't they why why didn't you fuck like you could have fucked they could have fucked a bunch of times and then they don't and it's not really like it just doesn't i didn't believe the reason why they didn't fuck because people fuck that's

the thing the thing i know about people is that when they want to fuck they fuck it's okay to spoil this for me what what was the reason for not fucking? There's no reason. There's no reason. That's melodrama. That's infuriating. Yeah, I mean, I get it. Because for those people, it's like emotional edging.

Yes, exactly. You're like, oh, oh, oh. Almost there. Some of us are Neanderthals. We're pro-Magnon man, where we're like, just do the bang or not. Yeah, Neanderthals, though, they never actually kissed. They would withhold. They were

really good at it. That was their thing. They invented edging. They invented edging as the first form of birth control. People don't know that. That's why they died off. They didn't procreate because they just thought they were just so big on edging. It was huge. Makes sense. That's science. That's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm saying.

All right. Well, cool. I's what I'm thinking. That's what I'm saying. All right. Well, cool. I'd like to, I'm glad to know, like, sometimes like there are others, there are those films and I like, I like movies, but not to the point where like I can connect with sort of those kinds of films. And that's just me as a consumer. I'm, I'm more of a mouth, a gape airplane guy who views shit like that sometimes. Yeah, no, I love pretentious movies i loved bow is afraid

for example that just came out was divisive incredible film like i like that kind of thing this one my wife was asleep like halfway in and i was like yeah i thought there was a time too like in like the early aughts where like all my friends who are like you know big cinephiles like like wong car why was just like just beyond repro like there's like they're like don't fuck no man this motherfucker's a genius no dude he's not dude reproach and approach him everything is good yeah i mean you know 2046 i fucked with that you know i wasn't i wasn't mad is that good i mean i remember at the time i think i may have just said it because i was dating somebody who was like you need to see this film and i'm like yeah

yeah yeah i fuck with that uh i i have a bad habit of like, like, yeah, what do you like? Okay. I'll try that out. Even though I don't shout out Harry Potter films could only get through one. Okay. Now what is something I think is under rated? Zach, you got a good one. I mean, I've just got Ivy on the brain and I just want to say cold showers. I've also been a huge fan of cold showers recently. It's been growing. I think cold showers are absolutely incredible. Wake you up more and they kind of like

I think they make you a better person. I think the longer that you can stay. I do. I truly do. I think Jordy You're saying that people who don't take cold showers are bad people? No, no, no. They're going to hell. I'm not saying you're all lower. I'm saying we're all on this and we can optimize ourselves with cold showers. If you start with a hot shower, and then you just slowly, towards the end of your shower,

just start making it colder and colder and colder, and then you get it to it's really cold, and you just withstand that for a couple minutes, and just end it that way, I think that you'll feel way better getting out of the shower. You do a reverse frog boil, i do yeah yeah that's actually exactly reverse frog boil and then i get it super cold and then by the end like not only do i feel better but you know my thought my mirror is less foggy like i can already see myself a little easier you know like everything just kind of goes a little smoother when you do that i mean this is an experience shared by many people if you had a fucked up water heater where that shit might just naturally happen during your shower you're like oh

shit it's gone maybe that's how it started for me where i was missing that yeah i've had brooklyn apartments that had some really shitty water situations and it was like yeah i you know yeah i'm good cold showers because i had to be but now it's like yeah you know what yeah i love it i love that okay cool cool yeah i mean i i as much as i've tried it before because i remember i've heard the same thing from like biohacker type people that i'd interviewed in the past i just can't i fucking hate like when my gas reflex kicks in it's over i'm like no i don't fuck with that bro yeah that's just you got to just get past that gas that's the thing you get past yeah and then you're in a whole new world yeah i'm a i'm a heat in this bro i love being comfortable at all and so when like i literally

i have a little space heater right here like next to uh this shower i'll get out of the shower and like turn that space heater on and just stand in front of oh wow like while i'm telling myself off like yeah it's incredibly wasteful i apologize you don't got the towel heater either uh no i don't have a towel i really what you changed the game uh mentioning the terry cloth uh oh the robe i haven't gotten one of those yet oh yeah i know i've been lacking it's that's the next step because when again like if you don't like being cold just the the fucking robe is a whole body towel so you don't have to feel all that water evaporating on your skin and cooling off i'm already making the diy version i put like four towels around me oh

there you go like yeah it's not it's not economical what is the robe if not three and a half to four towels you're right exactly just without the stitching without the sewing machine exactly matt kleinman what about you you got anything you think is underrated oh yeah you know so i'm a big i really like spicy foods and hot sauces and i've been talking to people and like even people who aren't into that sort of stuff i do feel like people don't know enough about crystal hot sauce what he has no crystal oh yes you're talking about white people, man. Yeah, that's all the rage. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to come at you like that.

No, no, please come at me. No, but that's great to hear. I'm really glad to hear that. Well, but I would say even in comparison to Louisiana and like Texas Pete, is Crystal held above them? I don't like Texas Pete's. No, I'm not a big fan. I have more experience in like the Georgia area, Georgia, Alabama area. And like Crystal's is huge.

Okay. Yeah. No, I feel like not Crystal's the chain. You mean Crystal Hot Sauce? Yeah. Oh, I thought you meant Crystal's because there's also the franchise. Yes. The chain.

Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. Also, Crystal's The Rock are great. I love rocks. Shout out to Shungite. Yeah, of course. We love Crystal's. We're all about Crystal's The Rock are great. I love rocks. Shout out to Shanghai. Yeah, of course. We love Crystal's.

We're all about Crystal's. But I feel like people don't know, like, you know, I don't know. I think it's a good gateway hot sauce is kind of the thing that I've been like telling people who are like getting into hot sauces or want to or are like afraid of them. And like, I think Cholula had been the gateway hot sauce for a lot of people for a while because a lot of people thought Tabasco was too spicy. But I actually think Crystal is a better gateway hot sauce for people. And I think a lot of this is also just because like if, you know, going over to someone's house and they just have nothing, it's like if at least you have Crystal, then we're like, OK, it works with almost anything. Yeah. They have every grocery store.

But I think most people are like, I want Tabasco. And now tabasco is doing like 9 000 flavors i'm like come on yes totally and tabasco is great and i like tabasco but i think i don't know i want it to be more you but it should be more like the south everywhere i guess yeah yeah what about sriracha is that is that uh falling off yeah sriracha had its heyday like in the like the tens the teens i remember shout out my boy randy wrote a fucking cookbook i think we all overused it i think yeah i think you're right it's just i think we just it was just everywhere blew it out every meal and then like we all just got used to a sriracha taste for all of our cheap meals that we were eating yeah and then it was

like i can't do i still use it just in the context right right? Like I love to make hot. I love grilling. I love I love making wings, especially. I use it in everyday conversation. Shout out to Chicago Bulls fans. If you're a fan of Stacey King, give me the hot sauce. Sriracha. That's his catchphrase. But yeah, other other than that. Yeah, I think it really, really, really, really fell off.

Yeah. Yeah. I will say I prefer their garlic paste. The garlic. Oh, I haven't had the one with like the green, like the little jar squatty bottle with the green top. really fell off yeah yeah i will say i prefer their garlic paste the garlic you know i'm talking about the one with like the green like the little jar squatty bottle with the green top the garlic paste one i think is a little bit better flavor wise and it's less sweet it's a little bit more like everything you like and not maybe what you don't this is my easy hack for wings you take

a fucking you know buy your buy your party wings or whatever whole wings whatever however you like to get down and marinate them. You know, just what I do is put them in a Ziploc bag, empty a whole bottle of crystal in it. And you let that sit for a few hours. It's not going to get too spicy, but it gives it such a great flavor. It's like my very easy way to have good wings that aren't too sort of intensive in terms of the preparation. like good wings that aren't too sort of intensive in terms of the preparation. Well, I think the hack for

doing like Nashville chicken, you know, that sort of thing is marinating the chicken in hot sauce before you bread it. Oh, yeah, I bet. And that like old fucking oil chili concoction that they'll pour over after. You're like, yeah,

more of that, more of that. All right. We're going to take a quick break and do some light uh hot sauce tastings and then we'll be right back to talk about the dead sailing right after this i'm jess casavetto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the 7m tiktok cult and'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will

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It continues right now in the news. We keep hearing about the looming debt ceiling crisis that America could default on its debt and worsen our image to the rest of the world, especially our trading partners, because they're like, oh, y'all don't pay your fucking bills. This would be terrible for the U.S. economy. And the Republicans know that the super whack jobs in the GOP are practically salivating for a manufactured financial crisis to better the party's overall chances in 2024, just so they can move on from we don't believe in human rights or abortion access and just start saying things like Joe Brandon killed the economy. That's why you should vote for me, a Nazi. And Biden and the Democrats have said that the default will be a disaster. Same thing for the GOP.

Defaulting would be terrible. But then Joe Brandon, McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, they are all also saying some form of, oh, we're definitely not going to default. There's no way we're going to default on that. No, we're going to figure it out. We're going to make a deal. We're going to make a deal. Even though sometimes you hear before Joe Brandon was a little more confident in his lack of interest in negotiating, basically saying, why would I negotiate? This is something, this is like the basic function of government. We're not going to use this as leverage to start gutting social programs. Well, it looks like we may be there.

And this is all very fucking confusing because you're like, are y'all going to make a deal or not? But you're saying you won't, you say you will, and it's going to be a crisis. It's like they're both in on a scheme to make the population sweat over this crisis. That may not be one, but the reality is here is it looks like the president

is going to negotiate with the GOP, and that is bad since the GOP. And that is bad, since the GOP's main requests here are making huge cuts to things like, you know, like Medicare and food stamps, which it seems like Joe Byron is a little more open to like having more strict work requirements for food stamps, which is terrible and fucked up. While also the other part of the GOP's requests are they want to completely fuck the environment over too. They want to cut the tax incentives for clean energy that came from the Inflation Reduction Act and replace it with basically

fossil fuel handjobs for all. So it's like a terrible backward step. And you're like, these are the things you're going to like, what the, what the fuck is this? Like, this isn't even a negotiation, but we see this script all the time. It like replays over and over throughout every administration. Like Republicans are like, we want to go back to the 1800s. And the Democrats like, there's no way we're not, we do not negotiate with this kind of shit. This is not, this is, this is beyond the pale. Then the GOP says, then we will default. We don't give a fuck. Watch us. Watch us not give a fuck. We'll completely fuck this whole thing up. Then the Democrats come to the table and cut spending. And there's more austerity measures that are just regressive. Then both parties walk out like they saved the fucking day and life moves on. But it's a bit of

a we'll see where they end up, because while there are negotiators now speaking with McCarthy's deputy, they're like on both parties, whether it's like the Freedom House Freedom Caucus, who's like, they better gut fucking everything or we're not voting for this. And McCarthy's like, well, fuck, I don't I don't know if we can get all that. In the meantime, there are many Democrats who are like, do not fuck with these social programs like working people need these fucking programs. And to to do this in service of like handouts to the fossil fuel industry is a bridge too far. And, you know, like they're like, I'm not going to support that. So I don't care what you negotiate, President Biden. It's not happening. So a bit of a topsy turvy moment.

But it's just so frustrating because this is not a thing. If then it became a thing like this debt ceiling thing was just always like a bipartisan, just like, yeah, we just got to keep it going because we just got to, that's not even something to worry about. And then in 2011, it just became like, oh, we can just kind of hold this as some sort of hostage sort of situation where we can just demand that someone work with us unless this thing that we all have always agreed upon, like we, you know, we keep it from, from happening from passing. And it's just like, it's just so annoying. Cause we all know, like, it's just like, you just, it doesn't need to be a thing. Just keep it going. You're in. And yeah, the fact that they're arguing, like we need to negotiate, we need to do all this stuff. It's like, no, we know that you could just keep this

separate and then just keep working on all of your other stuff yeah i mean again they're the they're they're the party of just bad faith everything so you know they're basically you know you're dealing with just absolute ghouls who are like we don't give a fuck like like we've we've invited these people to the party there's also something to be said too like once once you're in like a certain class like your job has a certain level of prestige and a certain salary to it. There's this level of self-importance that comes with it. And especially when it comes to politicians, they know they're not going to be affected by anything that goes sideways. Like and so it's doubly fucked up for them to like dangle this little thing.

Like, you know how dangerous this can be for y'all, right? i'm doing my best here but i don't know man that really raises the anxiety amongst like people everyday people every single day and it's like they cannot it doesn't matter to them it will never matter to them and that's what's i think where a lot of the apathy comes from is because you see another human being so dismissive of like most of the country and your heart kind of just wants to believe that people couldn't do that. And they do it every time. Like you said, this has become a pattern when it didn't used to be. And it seems like there's no break system on, on this. Like it's only going to get more manipulative and more insidious and

i'm wondering where we go from here you know yeah i mean there is you know like there are things that the president could do that are kind of you know revolutionary like or not revolution but like you know uh different uh like you know evoking the 14th amendment to sort of be like no i am going to make sure like all of this shit's paid there's been talk of like printing more money which i'm like wow let's minting the coin we don't need to do that yeah it's so whenever they start getting into making more money in coins i'm always like i feel like that's not gonna be what yeah but come on you wouldn't you want to hold the trillion dollar coin right it would be pretty clear we want a drill point but also does biden seem like the kind of person who's going to do something different?

Like, no, no. So what? Like with anything ever? He's presided over this exact scenario many times himself already, you know, and been on this on it on the side of it as a senator, as a vice president and now as president. There's not they know, because, again, like at the end of the day, they're like, yeah, man, I mean, like I was just increasing food stamps as like a campaign platform thing yeah we can dial that shit back but like here when we do that like nobody's gonna know because sadly to your point justin the people who depend on it sometimes like the apathy rings through to the point that they are like you're not even aware of the shit that's going on because it's like who gives a fuck man all they need to do is fuck us

over anyway why do i need to be engaged with this shit so it's you know makes makes me even more cynical when i look at it because the double speak is just like absurd like it's it's happening or it's not you're negotiating or you're not but you guys are saying this out loud while like winking to each other like yeah no we'll make it work we'll make it work it just helps it just helps both of our collective audiences seem like you know we're doing the fight. We're rolling our sleeves up and shit. All right. Well, let's let's move on to some people who aren't able to roll up their sleeves because they're on strike.

The writers. Yeah. Yeah. The WGA is on strike. You know, obviously, fuck these. Man, fuck these streamers, especially, man. Like who want to fuck around? I mean, obviously, look, y'all shows on streaming network.

I'm not going to come. I'm not going to cast this person on your floor. But you know what? You know what to do with these royalties, man, like who want to fuck around. I mean, obviously, look, y'all shows on streaming network. I'm not going to come. I'm not going to cast this person on your ploy. But you know what? You know what to do with these royalties, man. Stop acting brand new about this shit because people are watching it. And again, this is a very, very interesting moment. I think especially as it relates to AI and things like that. Well, I see like I've been seeing like counter opinion pieces written about it.

Like the writers are being completely overblown with their fear of AI. And it's like, really now I don't think so. I think it's very much a thing. And, and potentially like one of the first groups of workers who are like, we should be able to decide when you like deploy this technology that completely fuck up our industry and our ability to support ourselves because

you just loaded a prompted a chat GPT. And now you got a whole franchise about talking mason jars or some shit yeah i mean that was so like so i mean so zach and i are both wga we're both on strike right now like stoked to be doing this to finally be standing up to these things but the ai thing like literally that was put in if you track kind of the it's because like ai was kind of in the news when the negotiation started and enough people were kind of talking about it. And so I think they threw it in, not quite as a lark, but as just a like, hey, okay, we'll address the AI thing. We'll put it in our pattern of demands that like no AI. But this is like an easy gimme for the producers to just be like, of course.

Yeah, guys. I think what freaked everyone out was that they did not immediately be like, of course. They instead were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. we don't know about this let's revisit it let's put a pin in and just see how bad ai fucks things up and then we have a yearly meet it was like so i think that then got everybody like whoa whoa whoa whoa yeah well then hold on a sec yeah people had also started to see in their contracts little things like that the ai that their whatever uber corporation above them is working on like has like can review their material so it's almost like is it's also also quick permission that are you that our ai can uh read your script or whatever and kind of learn your

voice a little bit just for you know its own intensive learning purposes not for anything you know not for anything negative towards you or anything like that. And it's like, wait a second, whoa, whoa, whoa, like now, now AI is studying our different, our creative process, our voices, and like the things that we're making and learning that like, it's, I mean, the thing is, AI is going to affect every single job that there is in a, in a way, like, there's like, this is going to be like the internet and how it changes things. And we, we can't even comprehend how it's going to affect all of our jobs, all of the things that we interact with in technology. And so I think it's incredibly important for creative people, like creative places to also

try to get ahead of it in whatever way they can so that it doesn't screw us down the line. And it's too late to have any sort of like chat about it, even though we don't really know exactly what it means right now right it's wild like you you not being able to control your own voice and artistic integrity is something that is like you know that's a spirit killer like there is someone i really admire and appreciate who works for a company that on the low that guy's company took a lot of his voice and a lot of his mannerisms and like ran it through AI software and tried to see if they could like replace him in something without his knowledge. And he was, and then he was able to make a video about it under the company's like moniker. Like

he was like still releasing videos, but he's like, Hey, my company tried to do this. I'm just, I'm just saying, you know, and it's, and this was, you know, a YouTube internet thing. So there's no WGA or anything involved in this, but it's affecting everyone down the line. It's only a matter of time. If you're especially in a creative industry, it's, it's scary. It's scary. It's also, it's just like a level of respect, like for people that you work with. Like, I think that's the other thing that it's like, we've already, we already get like a lot of disrespect from like produce you know from like from these companies or whatever like not respecting what we do not really knowing what we do right but being like you know thinking they can just kind of push us around thinking they can kind of dictate and know better than us how many people

should be in a room how i can't three people write an entire season of a show in two weeks right no exactly and then we'll green light it okay we just got to see the whole show first you got to understand and then we'll give it a green light yeah yeah yeah it's just not it's so it's a level of respect and then so the ai think it's in a way it's like to even ask is like disrespectful like you know to even and then let alone to like do those kind you know to really try to replicate one of your colleagues someone that you're working with somebody who's the whole point we make the things that these companies put out like we are the product we make the products for them and so like it's our companies too and those you know it's our products in those ways

that enables them to have these obscene payouts and all this other crap so they can go yacht it up wherever the fuck they are right now yeah and the guy i mentioned didn't even seem to be shit talking his company like i said the company let him release the video like on their channel and it seemed like it was more of like a oh we did this my bad like we didn't know you would care and that's also very scary like like why wouldn't you consider me in in this like why wouldn't you think i would care you know it's it's wild well we're beginning to see what happens when the workers go on strike because their labor is being exploited over and over again by a group of fucking creeps that,

you know, they're like, look, you know, we know our pattern is to cut costs at any measure. And you know, it seems like a great way to do that. Anyway, we're looking at some of the up fronts, some of the slates that some of the networks, you know, they like to present to advertisers. Here are the things that you could advertise on coming up this fall, like get to get you excited to get your ad dollars, which again, that's, you know, the bread and butter of the ad ad based broadcast television industry. So we're seeing things like what they're doing now that there are no writers contributing to make new material Fox. They didn't release their full schedule but they announced their slate which features mostly unscripted shows because that's the way around this is to just go just to lean into reality shows the reason we have cops that

the tv show is because of the like the writer's strike in the 80s that they were like oh fuck it then we'll just follow cops around with cameras and that's a show we don't need writers so they're like they got their show they're renewed farmer wants a wife uh special forces and a new game show called snake oil hosted by david spade which i'm like is he just gonna improv up there like is someone writing like who's writing this game show but again that they'll figure out ways to to like maybe put that on like a creative producer who's like yeah creative consultants yeah yeah they just scab it up that way uh because someone is going to have to write it and abc also man they they said we got a jaw dropper of the schedule they unveiled it it's comprised entirely of unscripted shows with the exception of a pair of abbott elementary reruns on wednesday that's it they're like fuck man at least we got that show but i guess we'll just do shows with the exception of a pair of Abbott elementary reruns on Wednesday.

That's it. They're like, fuck man, at least we got that show, but I guess we'll just do reruns and put like, not listen to the people that make the fucking hit show that are giving you all this whatever. And it sounds like this is from a TV line says, and what can only be viewed as a foreboding sign about the potential

duration of the current writer's strike. The network's fall schedule, a fall schedule is compromised entirely of unscripted fare. And the lineup includes more America's Funniest Home Videos, American Idol, Shark Tank, and the show 9-1-1, which Fox dropped,

and several Bachelor shows, including the brand new Golden Bachelor, which isn't about people that are like piss freaks. It's about the senior citizen season of The Bachelor, which we know about. We were talking about that briefly. I'm excited for that one. I think that actually... people that are like piss freaks it's about it's about the senior citizen season of the bachelor which we know about uh we were talking about that briefly i'm excited for that one i think that

actually of all of them you know older people are more real so honestly i could just see it just being way more like yeah let's go for it like yeah people who are in touch with their mortality make way better contestants on game shows absolutely yeah and i'm like in the mood for love they will fuck in the end. Yeah. They're probably going to look for every opportunity on the globe. When they go to fantasy suites,

when they, oh man, you know, one of them may come out in a wheelchair. Just because they're like, instead of at the bottom, like what their occupation is, if it's like how many years they probably have left to live.

Yeah, exactly. It's like Walt. 20, 20 years at best.alt 20 20 years at best it's 20 years at best so the stakes are higher than them yeah well it's like the thing you see even on like love is blind on netflix like a lot of the couples like crash and burn because you have like clout chasing young people who like also don't feel like the the the creeping of time to be like am i gonna die alone no surely not so give me the golden

bachelor please but again this is sort of like where they're at they're just gonna lean into more of the unscripted shit uh as a way to try and be like well we don't need you guess what assholes you do uh yeah this is what kills me though i mean so like and i feel like you guys probably were you know like the wet we zach and like, we like worked with funnier die. We worked at the onion. We worked in like website internet land and we know how this plays out, which is that ultimately like the social media tech companies have figured out a non-union way of making what they call content, right?

You know, Tik TOK, YouTube, like these things, which, and there are good things on these platforms. Yeah. Right. Sure. And there's good things, but we're all trying to survive in basically the remnants of the apocalypse that happened to institution website-based internet. Yeah. Right?

We're all scrambling and scratching trying to survive because that was destroyed by this race to the bottom, that algorithmically-based video production, whatever, these companies, Facebook, YouTube, that they did. whatever these these companies facebook youtube whatever you know that they did and the truth is those are the enemies of both the amp tp the producers and studios and the writers guild like if we're we're fighting among ourselves right now but what's happening is when there's not good quality television not good quality scripted work on tv people are switching over to their phones they're going to just start getting addicted to the algorithms that are you know made by our like adversarial company countries they're going to switch over to those things because they're literally crack and they're not going to come back yeah and then we're going to just like slowly lose everything right you're absolutely right that was crazy that was my first thought i mean this lineup sounds

like they've given up on trying to appeal to anyone under the age of 40 so they like where are those people going to go they're not you know it's and i think they feel like they've already lost the the like culture war in terms of like you know prestige tv and stuff like that age is a little bit over everyone's watching so many different things you know you might have someone who like even like a show like secession that seems to be ubiquitous like i haven't seen a single episode and we've talked about this show so much that I know so much about it, but it's like, you know, I can't, I can't, I can't figure out how you do that for they're not trying yeah and it's like how are you and that also leaves jobs on the on the table for people who maybe could write some scripted television that i would love to see and it's just not being produced nah well again i mean like i

like everything is just a bin about how do we squeeze the most out of work it's like every it's again this is like just it's a perfect example of happening everywhere, which is how can we get the most out of the labor of these workers for as little money as possible and keep them in a desperate situation. So all they can do is accept the raw deal that we're giving them. And really the only way is through collective action. So shout out to the union for fucking striking. Cause it is, it's doing something.

It's true. And I do want to say, I mean like, so this, our show high science, we were really proud to unionize the show it was actually the first discovery channel show that's ever been wga according to what they told us yeah because they they had just bought hbo when it happened and normally discovery is all unscripted all like that kind of stuff but we were like we're wj writers like this is going to be a scripted show

discovery had just bought hbo max and all those things and we kind of made the case like we're wj writers like this is going to be a scripted show discovery had just bought hbo max and all those things and we kind of made the case like you're gonna have to start doing union stuff we went back and forth a few times we were on that point of like will we walk away from this show that we've been trying to make for years right like if it wasn't doesn't go union and then they let us do it wj which was amazing yeah and the other thing is like the people at these networks like the people that we worked with who fought for our show over there, our execs, like a lot of people fought for our show on that side too.

And like, it's great to collaborate with those people. And I know a lot of those people also just want the best deal for all of us because they want to keep making TV too. They love television. They're also their job to make television and try to make the best shit for everybody. They want this to happen too and the sooner we all just come together and make this something that we can all do like and live at right the sooner we can start making good dope

shit that gets people away from the fucking crack like of the fucking algorithm screens and watching cool shit again yeah exactly and i mean like and part of this too is like as the strike's going on you know jimmy fallon who's just like had gaffe after gaffe since the strike began, whether like being asked like, hey, are you paying? I was like, I don't know. Oh, yeah. OK, I'll do it like for another couple of weeks or like just another two weeks. He's reportedly going to be the first late night show to stop paying its crew as the writers strike continues. According to one of the employees, NBC isn't calling it a layoff or a furlough but rather an unpaid leave of absence hopefully that doesn't sting but basically it's the same thing because you're not getting your check the last check you're getting is coming next week and deal with it uh colbert kimball myers they're all uh quote reportedly continuing

to keep their staff paid uh we'll see how long that lasts. But the same day this report dropped about Fallon and like not paying the staff, he, he joins blue sky, the new, you know, Twitter clone. And,

you know, he's like, maybe without like, Oh, maybe he'll address the concerns of this store. Nope. Wait, he just posted about how he got the new Zelda game on switch.

Like the most empty post of him, like holding the switch up. Like, yeah, I got the Zelda. Naturally. Most of the responses were like, he was just getting brigaded in the comments of like,

pay your fucking staff. You fucking clown. Rather than stunting, like with a debt, with your dead eyes being like, I got new Zelda. That's what I'm doing. I feel like Jimmy Fallon is the kind of guy who just ends up in spaces and

goes along with whatever's happening in the room at the moment because he's just kind of like the aloof, like, aw shucks silly white guy and he's supposed to be you know, he's like used to people treating him like he's a golden retriever. So he's extra confused when people don't like something he did or didn't do. Like the incident

where he tussles Trump's hair and he's like, what would I do? Like, I'm so'm so what happened or the terrible bored ape yeah the board oh you fucking this happens time and time again i really just think he's like everyone really likes me right and then people will be like well no not this thing and he's like what why and i can't help you bro yeah you some education you breaking character and laughing on snl only got you a few years of endearment man yeah like it ends it ends after a while uh but yeah like after that many people like one person posted wow cool dude maybe you can build something that pays your staff since you seem unwilling to um and yeah pretty much all the

comments are like pay your fucking writers and then someone on twitter uh at undefeated matt tweeted to say if you have blue sky account we're bullying jimmy fallon over there yeah okay so i um i was a writer of the tonight show for a couple years and i i have to i don't know what's going on there now but i do know that when the pandemic happened i wasn't there when the pandemic happened, I wasn't there when the pandemic happened, but the Jimmy out of his pocket paid everybody for a couple months at least. So he has done that stuff before.

I don't know what's going on now, but like he has, he has reached into his pockets before and paid people for a while without, like, and shit's going down. So I can only hope that he continues or whatever but yeah and look i i you know shout out to your good your good ex-employee for for sticking up i think the issue the issue though i think just perceptually right in our oh

in our current time yeah no and i know what you mean because like cordon did it many other people did it as they should because they're millionaires and they get paid millions of dollars. And you again, they're not where they are. The hosts of these shows are not where they are without their staffs, especially their writing staff. They were monologue. I mean, no. And I know like I know tons of people on the staff and like there are people there's like, you know, costume designers and set makers who are worried about paying their mortgage you know and it's like it's very real very immediately for hundreds of people who aren't writers like that's and that's

like one of the one of the crazy things that we have to do when we go on strike is we are doing it knowing that we are affecting the jobs of assistants who are being let go um like you know so like so many people crews everywhere so many people are being affected go. Like, you know, so like so many people, crews everywhere. So many people are being affected by this who didn't have a say, who didn't have a vote. And like that weighs heavily on all of our all of our minds. And so it's like that's why we just want this shit to get fixed as soon as possible, because we want not just us to go back to work. We want everyone to go back to work.

And like and and yeah, I don't know. It's but I think that's why there's so much solidarity with the wga because like other you know like the teamsters or iotsy which is another for people who aren't aware of like show business like another major union in the film industry like they're like yeah man because if you guys get it right like that only increases our chances to better our situation as well but yeah yeah and sag after they're starting they're talking about going on strike now i mean that's it's always been where the writers guilds we we like they start it and then other groups that just may not be as collectively unified will like then be like okay we can get

behind this too yeah like yeah yeah this works start with the writers guild though absolutely because they're like wait i want yeah i should get residuals too as a fucking performer i also gotta say this is the first like since i since I've joined the Writers Guild, I've been a member for like five, six years now. This is the first big strike I've been a part of. And you guys, like, when you're in the Writers Guild and they're going on strikes, the speeches are so good that are like getting you pumped to go on strike. I mean, they're just like, we have been down here as rats in the ground

and now it's time to come together. And you're just like we have been down here as rats in the ground and now it's time to come together and you're just like oh my god yes yes let's strike it's incredible yeah i mean adam conover like had a very fantastic sort of sound bite at the beginning of it which i think captured the imagination of many people were like yeah man like fuck yeah like try and do something and you're in a situation to do it uh better the situation that we're seeing where, again, everywhere you look, labor is being exploited and all of the wealth is being concentrated at the top with no regard for the people that are actually creating. That's what I'm stoked about, too. And, like, speaking to the solidarity of the other unions, like, but, like, I was out picketing yesterday and there was, like, nurses on the line with us. yesterday and there was like nurses on the line with us like it feels like also just in general this wave of like labor in america finally coming like finally people being like oh wait that's

right is that why things were better for like of the middle class like yeah 30 years ago because we like fought to make it better right i mean and like people finally coming together to like do this i grew up in the valley san fernando valley as a kid so many people who worked in the industry like that's where they settled right like it's because like you didn't have the money to like live in Beverly Hills. So like crew writers, people like that, they settled in the San Fernando Valley. And there were people who like, I had friends whose parents had a very perfectly middle class life in the eighties and nineties, just from like writing on one show and being able to do that. And that was affording them things like homeowners ownership and other things paying for college and it wasn't like oh man like this thing ends and then like

they're not actually like the pay is terrible and there's no bent like it's it's so different and i think every person can speak to their industry like it wasn't like this 30 years ago like you could fucking live off this shit but you know these hyper capitalists have figured it out by saying what if we just took all the money and didn't share it so yeah obviously uh all of our support is with the wga right now because it's absolutely imperative and like i said i mean podcasting absolutely needs to i mean like we're seeing it like at places here like iheart is like in union talks uh because many unions yeah, many, like many industries are experiencing this thing

where it's like, well, you're selling all these ads against our work, but where is the proper, you know, distribution of all of that? Because again,

it looks like it's just shot up to the top and then everyone's like, okay, what's the stock price? All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back just to wrap it out

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Look over your shoulder if you're driving, please, because people might be driving like straight-up assholes because a new Fast and Furious movie is out. Fast X is coming out today, this weekend. It's out there. People are, are i don't know they're probably has anyone ever not liked a fast and furious because like it's not like you're there for the the melodrama will they won't they you're there for the fucking just obscene like vehicular porno that tokyo drift has its hesitators but oh yeah yeah yeah people hate that that would be the one car why version right is like the whole movie is like are they gonna drive the car or not yeah yeah drive the fucking

car just drive the car he's just almost in the ignition they're like i don't know no no just fucking i'm in the mood to drive the car what was the car now was it han's car or what in what one in fast furious 2 too fast too furious i remember little bow wow's character had a had a hulk like scion xb i remember that i remember that was like like devin aoki was in everything but yeah yeah they didn't care if he had acting skills or not they're like yo that's steve aoki get in here nepo baby we love you um yeah oh for people who don't know her and steve aoki's dad started benihana. Yeah. But what? Yeah. Oh, my God. Rocky Aoki. Yeah. I did not know that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. I remember Dom shows up at the end. His car is in there. I don't know what the car was in that one. I'd have to go back and watch. Anyway, we digress because, again, this is about people's safety. That's what this show is about, first and foremost. and foremost and you know we've come a really long way uh you know from this from a movie franchise that began merely with a simple story about stealing soon to be worthless dvd players and look at where we're at we're at the fucking 10th one the question is now will fast 10 usher in a wave of people driving like absolute maniacos? There's been a lot of suggestions that the Fast and Furious movies influence people's behavior.

So when the first film came out way back in 2001, there were reports of an, quote, increase in street racing in Los Angeles. This is a headline that said Fast and Furious fuels increase in street racing. Los Angeles. This is a headline that said, Fast and Furious fuels increase in street racing. But even that article, as you read it, they admit that the street races occurred the first weekend the movie came out, which is not really enough time to be like,

yeah, we're going to organize mass street races because we're inspired by this. And the article also says, A, that street racing raids are regular for the LAPD. Street racing has been around since time immemorial. The 50s or 40s or something. In LA specifically. Come on. We saw Greece. They were racing in the LAPD. Street racing has been around since time immemorial. The 50s or 40s or something. In LA specifically. Come on. We saw Grease. They were racing in the fucking LA River, man. What the fuck was that?

And also, secondly, the cops' operation was, quote, explicitly timed to coincide with the release of the movie. So it's like copaganda in a way. They're like, oh yeah, we're on our shit, man, because you know these fast and furious freaks are trying to... To the headlines, let's go get it. It'll be viral.

Exactly. We got a movie tie-in for our raids. Yeah, this is great. Movie tie-in for our raids. Perfect. Yeah, movie tie-in for our homeless encampment sweeps. I don't know how we're going to tie it in, but we're going to be like, yeah, man, we had to. You saw Fast and Furious.

These people are destitute. Is there a blockbuster movie about camping coming out soon? We could probably tie it in. Yeah, right, right, exactly. So the movie didn't if anything the movie inspired the raids not the fucking racing right when the sequel came out some people even blamed a string of deaths around the country on too fast too furious uh the studio was like this is very odd cause and effect that you're bringing up they they bring up the case

of william lickhass jr had quote just pulled out of a gas station in his mother's corvette when two cars zipped by and flashed their hazard lights at the 17 year old in a challenge to race lacasse ford florida moments later he crashed into a concrete light pole and was killed and then they said another victim in a string of deaths around the country uh that so they said this is all to blame on Too Furious, a movie about street racers that hit theaters three weeks ago. But again, like you said, this has been around forever. Yeah. And also, I think nowadays, if you are going to ask like a young person who just got their driver's license and maybe has access to a cool car or something like where they learned how to like participate in takeovers or shutdowns or sideshows or whatever it's probably tiktok i'm not gonna lie i'll spend hours and hours and hours on instagram and tiktok just looking at the insanity of people just like shooting fireworks at cops who will just sit there

and do nothing and just let them fuck around in an intersection for 40 minutes just like waving guns at each other and stuff i love the chaos but it's obviously not safe and there's people who don't know what they're doing so you see the one where they shut down the golden gate bridge yes bro and they have the drone footage from there this shit is amazing i was like go off i was like they should put this in fast and furious yeah put this in fast and furious not the other way around what we need to do is we need to unite the Street Racers and the Riders Guild of America for some real disruptive kind of demonstrations. You know what I mean?

Oh my God, the demonstrations would be incredible. They'd be like, yo, we fuck with you, man. Look, we're down to maybe figure out some content here. Just hang out the side of a Charger with a fucking strike poster. Like, pay your riders! Yeah, and bump in some bacon. Put it on fucking two wheels on its side and you're scraping the ground with the picket sign.

Like, fuck y'all. It's like paper mache scripts on the cars. So just kind of, you know, it looks like. I will say, being out on the picket line, it's just all about honking. It's just like honking goes straight into our fucking veins. What about this shit? What about that shit that burp? I'm sorry to fucking sidetrack,

but I saw that like outside of Warner Brothers, they're like, honking is illegal. Like, they're trying to make it seem like you can't honk and then the mayor burbank was like no man y'all fucking honk i don't give a fuck yeah honking is illegal yeah there's this whole button in the middle of your fucking steering wheel that was made to support unions yeah exactly use the button on that shit and also shout out to the people in other cities where productions are happening that are also getting their shit together to shut down productions because that's that's one of the things that a lot of studios are trying to do is like maybe we can abscond

back to Georgia but it's like no they're starting to figure y'all out and like sending out fake call sheets and stuff it's a whole like information war happening with like you know shutting these sets down but we digress back to the fast and the furious whether or not the movies actually led to more street

racing or not researchers they they did their best and they said they could find a loose link uh between the releases of fast and the furious and increases in speeding violations not necessarily you know fucking racing basically saying like you know people got too hopped up on watching dom terretto and his charger so you know they left the theater in their fucking cam reacting like they had nitrous shit in like in there and trying to hit the switches the study which even their authors admit it's like limited but they analyzed traffic violations uh in maryland found a large increase in the average speed of drivers who received speeding tickets on the weekends after fast and furious releases and the percentage

of people nailed for extreme speeding which is like 40 miles over the limit nearly doubled it's like oh they juxtapose that when a hunger games movie came out didn't go up so they're like i mean there might be something there but more people became archers when hunger games a lot of bow and arrow accidents like that increased huge like Archery schools. Yeah, absolutely. It was a huge trend in kids taking archery from Hunger Games. So movies totally affect what you want to do and do stuff. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Queen's Gambit. You guys remember that? I wanted to play chess so bad when that show came out. So, yeah, I totally understand watching a car movie and being like, man, I want to fucking just drive. Oh, I mean, I was already, I remember playing,

uh, like on PlayStation or maybe it was PlayStation two. There was a game called midnight club. That was like a street racing game. And I was totally into that shit. Then fashion furious came out and I was like, Oh, I'm really into this game.

And then need for speed. You started changing all theirs. They started switching it up. Anyway, I'm like, I'm like an old video game head. And I'm like, like man remember that need for speed that had the ying yang twins song when you load it up midnight club dub edition you remember that yeah the dub edition man i used to go to i used to go to that's the one that i played i didn't play the other one yeah

i used to go to a lot of dub shows especially when i worked in radio anyway so again the researchers conceded that it doesn't obviously suggest cause and effect, but that there was some kind of link there somewhere there. But, you know, like it's probably more so that like if you're into driving fast, you're probably going to go see Fast and Furious because you're getting your jollies like that. But one measurable nuisance that is caused by the film are for the residents of this very quaint neighborhood just west of downtown where dom teredo lives okay and they're they the people live that that live there they've been complaining regularly about fans racing and doing donuts in the neighborhood nearly every night that they protested the filming of the film because they're like you're fucking up our neighborhood uh zach do you know any are you familiar with anybody who lives in that yeah we have yeah man i we we have like four friends who live within blocks of that spot and

they have said that yeah they're like yeah the one thing it's a cool neighborhood we like it the one thing is you know it's the dom terretto spot so you know there's just always car every the main thing that people do is show up with their cool car and just stop traffic to take a photo of it like on this so it's just like constant traffic jams of people in line to take a photo of their car in the middle of the street yeah and then at nighttime race their car down the street because it feels also like fast and the furious so yes it's a huge i can absolutely attest that that is a problem that's happening year round for them. Yeah. People who live near there.

It's always funny, like people who live near those like a home like that whose exterior served is like an iconic film or TV moment. Like the people who absolutely like want to fuck up that, like the visitors to the Walter White House in New Mexico. Like how they just throw pizzas on it. Oh, yeah. But like the owners of the house are like militant. Now they're like yeah just throw pizzas on it like oh yeah but like the owners of the house are like militant now they're like get the fuck away from this fucking house they're like we get that it was walter white's house and yeah the the love of just being family you know over there and cracking a brew open which is also really interesting the film also has a huge effect on beer sales like while corona did not pay to have

their product featured in the films the franchisee like the people who make the movie they're like all in all told we've gave them about 15 million in free advertising when you really add it up and like one of the producers like why don't i have that shit just delivered to me on the fucking daily i bet that was probably like a really low energy way for them to be like this how we're going to get fucking corona free for life cut yeah you've got to drop that fact if you've got that fact yeah and they're like you know we've been helping out corona for a long time do you guys think that white tank tops sell better when fast and furious movies come out like the don terretto probably i'd imagine if you're bald you're buying you're

buying a white tank and you maybe do some curls. Yeah, it's a good reminder for bald men to go pick up a new white tank top. Do you guys think going bald goes up when the pandemic is over? Oh, yeah. I mean, like, yeah. Every time it comes out, I shave my head, reshave it, get it looking good. Bald man's confidence goes up 300% whenever there's a new fast and furious. Yeah. Bald man books.

How many bald men in white tank tops are this is the thing. How many bald men in white tank tops are getting in car accidents after a Fast and Furious 4? That's the stat we need. And how many of them are increasing in how much they mention family? I bet it's like they're mentioning family more. We haven't been asking the right questions. Sir, do you know why I pulled you over?

Because, man, family. What? Yeah, I knew it. Get out of the car. Get out of the car, you fucking Toretto wannabe. This is our 20th bald man in a white tank top that was arrested today. Just all the mug shots the week after. Yeah, exactly.

Okay, this is interesting. We got to look at all the states that have public mug shots. And after a fashion period, how many tank top bald guys are we gonna see they're just like all like like yeah all their mouths are in the they're saying family you can see like i think if we like show the mugshots they're saying the word family yeah oh man so uh yeah i mean shout out to all of you getting fast and or furious but please do it safely and you know please wear white tank tops responsibly uh zach matt thank you so much for joining us on the daily zeitgeist uh where can people find you follow you and obviously catch high science oh yeah well watch high science on

hbo max or discovery plus or max now that it's all becoming max yeah we're gonna be on max so check that out. You can find me on Instagram at ZPoitress or on Twitter at BigZachPoitress. Oh, okay, BigZach. Yeah, I guess my Twitter is the one that I stare at more than the other ones, and I'm at Matt Kleinman. But how are you spelling that, Matt? How are you spelling that?

Oh, right, K-L-I-N-M-A-N. No E. The E got dropped at Ellis Island. Oh, one of those. My name is spelled wrong, dude. When the emetagons made you change your name uh it's my favorite one of my favorite soprano scenes where phil leotardo talks about how they are really leonardo and then anyway great scene for all my sopranos fans yeah um and what's a tweet or a work of media or social media that you guys are loving oh yeah i would well so they came out this week the

hard drive right you guys know the website hard drive and i don't know if you guys have already talked about this on the show they had like a complete reviewing of every n64 game this week whoa they dropped this massive article where they went back and played every single game that was released for the nintendo 64 and reviewed that's amazing and it's for the Nintendo 64 and reviewed them. That's amazing. And it's, it's like 200 and some odd games. And it's like a complete, I've just been like, have a tab open of it and just page through. And I like, I think maybe cause I like, obviously like had an N64 and was renting a lot from Blockbuster, but also I had like a game pro subscription during that time.

I'm like shocked at the number of like games that i recognized and either played or like knew about right and to like finally really hear about them and also from now it's a really spectacular piece of work very comprehensive can't recommend it enough love that yeah i mean and i guess universally they're panning the superman game because isn't that sort of yeah although it's not they've it's actually they didn't consider it the absolute worst there were a few that were worse but but that is not the very bottom. What is? What is?

What's the worst? You have to look at the thing here. I'll pull it up. Oh, you're not saying that as a tease. You just don't know. You don't remember. No, I don't remember. I think it was another superhero game, though.

That makes sense. Okay. Okay. Zach, what about you? You know, Matt and I, we're both watching the show Silo right now on Apple. And I realized that you can really easily hook me into any show where you go like, all of humanity is living in a cave. Like, will that work out? I'm in, you know?

If you say like, all of humanity is living in the trees. Right. Why? What will that mean? I'm like, I don't know how that changes. I will check that out, dude. I will absolutely check that out. So you put any people in some sort of just like one place or setting.

Right, right, right. Ask the question why? I mean, yeah, there we go. There we go. Did you find out what the worst game was, Matt? Yeah, yeah. It's it's another it's Batman Beyond Return of beyond return of the joker oh shit we're just talking about how the joker would be a great podcaster yeah but he pledged that he pledged

specifically so that one and then karmageddon 64 they ranked worse than superman which makes me feel better because i always felt bad about not playing karmageddon right because i it was one of the most played like demos that i played on my computer you know those games where you just had one level and you just had the demo and you kept playing it? Because I could never go to my parents and say, can you buy me Carmageddon? Yeah. Oh, man. Shout out to Carmageddon. Shout out to those long lost games. Justin, thank you so much for joining me, man. Where can people find you and all that?

And is there a work of social media or media that you're digging? Yeah, yeah. You can find me on instagram at j con the smith that's at j c o n t h e s m i t h lately uh hulu has been killing it with the 90s hip-hop documentaries of late by which i mean i've seen two um the j dilla one is fantastic, of course. But the Tupac one was the one that really was a huge surprise for me because it's called Dear Mama. I was avoiding it for weeks because it was like another Tupac documentary. I don't really, you know, what else can I learn? I've seen so many of these. It's fantastic. I sat there for like six hours and just absorbed all this stuff because it really isn't about just

about him it's it's equally his mom holds a a weight in there and it was released a little bit before mother's day and it's incredibly touching and heartwarming if you know anything about tupac the gangster side of him came out a little bit later in life but he was a sensitive young boy at a certain point and you really see him for who he is in this documentary i think that's the first time like i really didn't want to hear about like oh who really killed him or what's the i wanted to hear more about like the person and this really does that so if you're interested in that you can check that out dear mama on hulu and also i was lucky enough to get my uh sleeve started from my tattoo by an outstanding artist and professor at

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Oh, man. Jimmymy buckets doing his thing and man jason tatum absolutely turned to a ghost in that fourth quarter don't know what happened the invisible man uh but look my as of this recording don't know what happened in game two of the lakers nuggets here so i could be a sad boy as well so who knows who knows uh you can also find me on my uh you know reality show podcast with sophie alexandra where we talk about 90 day also find me on my, you know, reality show podcast with Sophia Alexandra. We talk about 90 Day Fiance called 420 Day Fiance. You know what the fuck is up. And let's see some tweets. I like at WBEZ tweeted hundreds of workers showed showed support for WGA TV and film writers in their third week of strike against the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers.

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were blowing on private jets to locations for no particular reason uh it just shows you like that the money's there it's just not being properly distributed and it's for fucking indulgences and at uh samoyedcore tweeted hey nice man bun haha it fucking sucks you hipster asshole he turns around and reveals he is a samurai from the tokugawa shogunate oh fuck so specific but i love that samurai reference uh you can follow us at daily zeitgeist on twitter at the daily zeitgeist on zeitgeist on instagram got a facebook fan page website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post all episodes in our footnotes footnotes thank you justin where we post all of the links to the articles we talk about and uh also the song we write out on what are we going

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