The Daily Zeitgeist - Desantis = MAGA Terminator, Let Cereal Die? 6.23.22

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

Jack and Miles are joined by writer, comedian, and baldness-advocate Kenny DeForest to talk Coupchella (still), former friends saying "I don't know her" to Trump, the fall of Cereal and plenty more!  Ron Johnson Squirms Can Ron DeSantis Displace Donald Trump? DeSantis Declines to Ask Trump for Endorsement Dr Oz Drops Trump Branding We Can't Let Cereal Die LISTEN: RSCO - Piano TingSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 242 episode 3 of dirty production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness it's Thursday June 23rd 2022 I mean uh we don't have to tell them what it what day it is cuz they know they already know right oh do they not know maybe they do they not know what is i don't know it's i'm gonna leave it up to your discretion six well let them know if you're in uh motown okay if you're in detroit it's your day because it's national detroit style pizza day and also more importantly national hydration day sip your fucking water keep your cells hydrated in fight that stress back with a sip of water

i got a big i got a big thing of water with uh that has writing on it that yells at me to get hydrated get started keep chugging almost there you did it refill uh it would have me drink water until i was dead until yeah till i had uh water poisoned myself you wash out your kidneys yeah anyways shout out to detroit style pizza which i still don't fully know what it is but i bet it's good um and shout out to hydrash my name is jack o'brien aka we hope he spanks Oz's bottom red. Let's go, John Fetterman. That is courtesy of Christy Yamaguchi-Main. Yeah, we do hope he spanks Dr. Oz's bottom, little bottom red in the election.

I think we can say that. Like some light tapping. Closest thing we get to a major left-leaning candidate, even though the Democrats try to take his ass out. And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Are the Lakers, are they feeling Kyrie? Are the Lakers trying to sign Kyrie? Okay, that's from an obscure Hawaiian reggae band called InnoVision.

It's a song called Irie Insulation where they say, are you feeling Irie? But all I keep reading is, should Kyrie Irving, should the Lakers, should they trade AD for Kyrie? Uh, nah, but go on. So this is a lot of, you love the offseason because the wackiest headlines keep popping up. I mean, maybe Russ, maybe Russ for Kyrie, straight up.

Yeah, I mean, Russ and KD back together. So Kyrie's not under contract. Is KD under contract with the Nets? That's my main thing is like, I want to see K KD back together again. So Kyrie's not under contract. Is KD under contract with the Nets? That's my main thing is like, I want to see KD come back and like do something to the haters. Something KD-ish? Yeah, something KD-ish. And I don't know.

Look, I'm down for a mess. I don't want to see him get abandoned there. Yeah. I mean, after watching the Warriors, I'm like, all right, so we don't need to win a championship for at least another season. So I'll just watch the mess unfold elsewhere. Well, speaking of KD in New York, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious and talented comedian, writer, actor. You've seen on Seth Meyers, Corden, HBO's Crashing, his album. Bad dreams. Debuted number one on iTunes,

uh, has a new special in the works. I don't know. Am I allowed to say that? Uh, yeah. Named, uh,

best of new faces by the village voice. Please welcome the hilarious, the talented Kenny. Oh, the question about Zach is, will he be Levine? Levine. Zach Levine.

I was trying to think of a way to say Levine. Like Levine. Livin' Levina loca. There you go. Hey. Off-season. We're about to be like us watching Vladimir Putin wrestle a bear. Go bear. Because it sounds like we're Vladimir Putin wrestle a bear. Go bear!

Because it sounds like we're trading for Rudy Go Bear. Rudy? Yeah. The man who started coronavirus. Bring him to Chicago. A message to you. Yeah. Okay.

So yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're talking bulls. We're talking, I mean, that would be wild. Because the bulls were a two-point specialist team, I feel like, towards the end. If they had Gobert in the middle and it was just – they're running the table with scores of like 82 to 66 or something, just shutting everybody down.

Let's bring back the 90s. Let's bring back the 90s, baby. The 90s are alive in Chicago. Why not? Yeah. What's good, the 90s, baby. The 90s are alive in Chicago. Why not? Yeah. What's good, Kenny? How are you doing? Man, I'm doing great.

It was really hard for me to sit quietly through the NBA draft offseason talk. That was really difficult for me to just sit that out. But I'm excited. We're two days from the draft. I'm in New York City in the springtime. The streets are alive. I think we're fully in summer, Kenny, at this point, though.

Yeah, you're right. One day. He's allowed to be one day behind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, it's nice out, and it's about to get bad. There's only one dead rat in the wall of this building,

and life is good, man. When there's only one dead rat in the wall of this building and life is good man when there's only one dead rat in the wall you are living oh yeah not bad wait so is it like how do you know how do you know it's just one because the stink doesn't feel like two this smell yeah you just get really you get really used to like i think it's a male rat just from the odor i'm like that's a boy that's a dead a man died i feel like he was you know like sort of like the rat version of mountain climbing i feel like they were like he's like i'm gonna see how high i can get in this building and he made it to the second floor and that was it man sometimes you don't make it all the way to summit you know he made it to where you're at a necrotizing flesh

sommelier that's like oh this is a male get over here. Maybe slightly immature, but I see. Maybe a little too adventurous. I'm getting notes of maybe once a lab rat. I feel like things were tested on us. I'm getting notes of pizza crust. I'm smelling notes of makeup. Yeah. Maybelline.

Is that Maybelline I'm sensing? You know what? No, definitely there's a fruit. Maybe this one got into some maybe spilled nut crackers and that's why we have given it this uh just this might be is this is this rat tattoo is that a minestrone that i'm picking up um and then meanwhile in la we have uh lost the skill to identify thunder um it was thundering in los angeles last night uh nobody miles and i both heard it not in the same bed we didn't like turn to each other but we we had the same experience

we both like woke up and we're like what the fuck's happening what is that sound i thought there was there were like bombs going off maybe um my kids thought that there was somebody was uh taking the trash out at four in the morning uh because that's the closest we come to the sound of thunder is is trash cans um someone moving two cans at once yeah yeah exactly that sounds like a two canner dude it's angelino's inability to identify weather is so so funny it's like huh bombs yeah like like if you're on like the citizen app or like if you have like a ring camera reference like did anyone hear gunshots it's like it's just the sky like watching angelino's look at weather is like looking at old people trying to like make sense

of an iphone they're just like i don't know what i'm looking at it scares it's both scares and confuses me and all i know is I don't want to go outside. I don't want to go out there. And I'm not going to ask anyone about it. No, no, no, no. I'm going to pretend I know what's up. Oh, okay, okay. What does it mean when the little dots are coming out of the cloud icon

on the weather app? Yeah, Miles, you had the same thought. You thought garbage cans, too. I thought it was garbage cans, too. So my kids were born in L.A. You were born in L. were born in la that's apparently just a that's a sign we don't know we we know not of rain yeah we know about dragging a garbage can out to the street it's like the test in blade runner the only way to tell if

someone truly was born in la like can you do you functionally have no idea what thunder sounds like? So you hold up the sound of thunder and you're like, identify the sound. And if someone's like, that's thunder, you're like, leave LA. You're not from here. Get out of here. Nice try, comrade. I know you're a secret agent. All right, Kenny, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to keep up with Coachella, just the latest happenings, the latest revelations in how Donald Trump tried to steal that election. Like that's... Yeah. Yeah, it happened. We know it happened. Stealing Dan over here. Yeah, being told the same thing over and over again.

But it is pretty wild it was more out in the open than i guess we realized well and also then a surprise character enters well not a surprise character someone who we've known was probably has his hands all over this thing but watching someone get caught in the streets now with all this yeah the old johns um yeah we'll talk about ron johnson uh it's been a while it's been a while uh we're gonna talk about uh people publicly distancing themselves from trump which is kind of a it's like a it happens on the regulars every couple every couple months it's like the watching the cycles of the moon um but uh we're also going to talk about ron desantis the new yorker just did a

profile of him that is terrifying we're going to talk about whether cereal is dying all of that plenty more but before we get to any of that bullshit kenny we like to ask our guest what is something from your search history uh the most recent thing is I was looking for good hikes in the Bristol, Tennessee area because that is my new activity when I'm on the road. And I will be at the Blue Ridge Comedy Club. Ooh, an early plug. Y'all weren't ready for it.

There it is. I love that. The 7th, July 8th and 9th. And I was looking for some dope hikes I can do in Eastern Tennessee. So if any listeners have any suggestions for me, let me know. Your boy's going to have his pack and his camelback,

and he's going to be ready to rock up a mountain. So let me know where to go. How many miles are you talking? What kind of elevations are you into? Are you yard core with it? I'm starting to push it. My goal is not to crest Everest. Do an Appalachian Trail or something?

Yeah, but basically my thing is if the view is worth it, I will go. I'm not looking for like I got to pull out ice picks. I'm not there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah like if you have – basically my thing is if the view is worth it, I will go. I'm not looking for like I got to pull out ice picks. I'm not there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'll do some bouldering. I don't want to be hanging off the edge of a cliff. I'm not Sylvester Stallone in 1993.

You know what I'm saying? I'd like to stay on all fours at the most difficult – Yeah, I'll scramble. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not – I don't want to be in peril. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm 36 years old. So that's another thing.

Let's put a 36-year-old man on a nice hike where he pushes himself a little bit but maintains his knees. Right. I got knees to think about. I got knees to think about, bro. I can't be hopping around. How long have you been doing that? Have you caught some nice hikes around around this uh nation of ours yeah dude um there's i mean obviously southern california come on it's just like i've been going up to ohio that was that's i got really into it over

the pandemic honestly like it was one of the only ways you could safely be outside or feel safe is to go on a trail where no one's around and hike so yeah man there's like some i mean sequoias are beautiful i found this spot just outside of joshua tree that's incredible called corn spring it's a bureau land management road it's beautiful man it's like it's you know public lands people forget about it you can go out there and camp for six bucks yeah joshua tree is uh the most I've ever felt like I was on a different planet. It is a weird place. I love it. It's great. It's all just like nature

but the way the plants grow at that elevation they look like they're in the universe of Dr. Seuss and then there are just boulders that the earth spit out that are massive just all over the ground it is very very strange very cool yes the desert is a good reminder that

like while we've made our lives incredibly convenient that can all go away real fast it's like very it's very humbling to be in the desert and be like yo i would be in trouble in a hurry things went sideways out here i have no skills have you been to death valley no that's high on my list that's another one you want to act like you're in some other planet there's some really interesting sites out there too yeah that's weird that is where we discovered that my son has motion sickness to the degree that like he can't go on a road trip without being drama means up. Um, and we were driving through death Valley when we discovered that and he threw

up every like conservatively every 10 minutes and we were just, after a while we just gave up. But, um, that, that, that shit starts to bake when you're in death Valley. It's pretty gross.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Anyway, shout out to motion sickness. What's something you think is overrated, Kenny? Man, I'd say one thing that's overrated is having a full, thick hairline. I think we've got to stop obsessing over this. You know what I mean? Shouts.

Shouts out. You know, yeah, my hair is falling out. Sure. Have I been staring at it in the mirror for hours a day trying to convince myself that what I'm seeing is not what I'm seeing? Sure. Are all my targeted ads on Instagram for anti-hair loss products and golf clubs? Does my algorithm think I am now 65 years old? Yes, it does.

Yeah, right. But the thing is i've accepted this bro yeah i'm six four i'm a white dude i'm funny and fun what i need hair too like come on bro yeah you know what i'm saying come on can't win yeah like come on bro like i can't have all the advantages yeah i've had a good run i deserve to be bald man let me feel a little let me feel a little struggle you know what i'm saying so so you know where are we fighting back a little bit yes are we gonna get a transplant surgery probably not we're not gonna see you going to turkey anytime soon listen i'm not gonna rule it out because there is a good chance i'll show up one day with like a full fresh full Full-ass head of hair.

Yeah. Joel McHale-ass looking. I'm talking Twisted Sister in their prime. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking 80s perm. I might lose my shit. I don't know. The doctor's like, you can't do perms on this hair.

Please, can you? You're like, I don't give a fuck. I'm like, I want you to shave snyder's hair off his head and put it on mine like a locks of love situation do you ever look at somebody who got hair transplant and like wonder what part of their body the hair that is now on their hairline came from like i had that question about joel mckale who looks great but his hair is not the um consistency of the hair of a normal like hairline it's it's like thicker he's got some real like ankle hair ass yeah you know what i mean hair ass cool hair head ass ankle hair head ass i mean they usually take it from the back of your head

yeah because that's like the strongest people Maybe some people just have different texture hair back there, and that's what happens. Yeah, you never know. All I'm saying is if you do it, you got to know where your male pattern baldness is going because you don't want to end up like Wayne Rooney or LeBron James, two people who were pioneers in their sports being like, yo, man, I got gotta get in front of this shit

only to realize they're like damn everything behind the transplant's going to right it's keeping it keeps going it keeps going they were pulling from the wrong yeah yeah yeah so in a way just like i said i for me like growing up all because you you did what i think you get that inherit that gene from like your mother's side all the men on my mom's side are bald so like i was like this shit's a wrap uh so i was doing those long looks in the reflection around 23 and like fuck what's going on although what's fun though is sometimes you take a picture where you look like your hairline's back and you're like oh look at this shit i got a good angle yeah i was in a photo booth for a wedding and there was one i thought my shit was like painted on i look like jalen rose and shit and it was just a very charitable shadow

so yeah i i appreciate the shadow like it was just like a uh i almost gotta get it out and be like y'all it looks fucking like i'm back baby we're back stop everything bro let's stop everything you also got that nice chestnut hair kenny i was gonna say that's that's good for a balding man like you can just buzz it and then keep the beard and it looks good like if you got real dark hair and you go bald it's like i don't know like, uh, it can be a little aggressive. So yeah, man. And it's also like with the transplant thing, it's like,

dude, I post pictures and videos of myself constantly. Like people have already seen what's popping. So if I come back with a transplant, people are going to know I got a transplant. It's not, they're not going to be tricked. They're going to be like,

or you just got surgery. Like if I showed up with a, if I showed up with a dildo in my pants, he wouldn't be like, wow, Kenny's got a huge dick. Like he would be be like something's going on over there he's got something fake in there you know what i mean oh yeah i noticed immediately kenny i would notice immediately on the on the day what's going on there i don't remember kenny's penis being a bright purple

and like angular it vibrates sharp angles a lot of sharp angles on there that's a lot of right angles the two uh like i i feel like that's a good sort of um line of fame that people sometimes reach where they're like yeah people are gonna notice i don't give a fuck anymore and they also reach that point with teeth uh this is something jamie loftus like pays a lot of attention to that i like now can't unsee but it's like when people hit a certain level of fame and just suddenly show up with new teeth in their head um it's like it always happens with athletes though it's funny because like i follow like a lot of soccer players basketball players and there's always like that like that second contract new grill smile post or like just signed my new deal you're like look at your big ass fake teeth

but okay i mean you're not capping but your teeth are they are capped like no other check out my mouth all cap all cap all day that's so funny i mean yeah you ever see like jeremy piven in pcu you're like that is a balding man you played george you played the man who played george costanza in seinfeld right what are you doing you don't need all this that's why you know i'm just i'm waiting that's why my thing is like a bald dude i'm always waiting like when science is gonna bring the like the lasik of hair restoration back, I don't want to fucking do a fucking surgery. I don't care enough about that.

But if it was like, yo, come in here. We blast your head with this laser. You walk out with a fro. Stem cells. They're doing it now. The white blood cell stem cell injections. You know your boy's been doing his research. Yeah.

See, that's because somehow there's more integrity in stimulating the hair that was already there than taking hair from somewhere else and putting it there. You understand? I don't know what my line is, but that still somehow feels like... You're like, no, hey, believe in the shit you still got. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't give up on it.

This is my front hair, bro. Yeah. I've definitely heard from some older, when I was in my 20s, and older bald men who were like, you guys are lucky, man. By the time you're in your 40s, they're going to have cured this shit.

Nobody will be bald. Just having done some research, but yeah, they were not happy. At the end of the day, all roads to just self-acceptance. That's the only way radical self-acceptance that was a michael living in a world where like i i mean when i was younger i got way caught up on that shit because you know i wasn't mature or like uh secure enough and who i was to be like oh yeah i'm a dude who's losing his hair you know a lot of time you just want to be like nah man fuck that yeah so it's something else and then after when you turn that corner life begins it

opens up everything opens up anything can be cured with a little swag if you take your weakness and you find a way to swag it then all of a sudden it's now a strength and people are like wow look at that bald guy like carrying himself what about coolio he just grew the shit out on the sides and braided that yeah and we were like fuck it yeah that's that's something all you gotta do is like try and comb it over so it was like yeah well he did that he tried that he did do that for a while that was the end of the road yeah and then he said fuck it let me part the sea yeah that that's a tough like person to like a tough position to be in when you're balding and you are known for your iconic hair more than anything.

Yeah. That's like Joey Lawrence, man. Whoa. He had to go bald with it too, you know? Yeah. He didn't make it through unscathed. Isn't he like real mega and shit now? Yeah, yeah.

He's a total turd. What's something you think is underrated kenny uh caribbean food because i just ate some bomb ass caribbean food on saturday and i just always forget what a play to like i had the branzino fish at this place called the fat fowl in brooklyn i'm shouting them out because it's so good it's like this food court under the alamo draft house on the fulton mall in brooklyn it's like where all those local vendors are set up stalls down there okay it's called the fat foul oh my god dude it was and it was on the decal market mall that's it and it was on it was on

juneteenth and so there was like people playing kettle drums and like steel drums everywhere and dancing and i was eating caribbean food and i, I love this city. I love this world. I'm dancing to Caribbean music while I'm eating the best branzino I've ever eaten in my life with mac and cheese and sweet plantains. And sometimes life just feels very beautiful and that was one of those moments. Oh, love to hear that.

Yeah, man, absolutely. I got to shout out to Fat Fowl and Caribbean food. Just Caribbean people in general, lovely folks. I know all your cultures are different, but just generally speaking, I just fuck with them. Well, it's a true melting pot down there you know what i mean there's so many different people down in the caribbean and i remember when we did our live show in toronto we hit up a caribbean spot we had roti uh in toronto because you know there's a lot of west indians uh like people from the west indies in toronto and that again like because you have like

curries and like the the influence of Indian food, but also just curry. It's fantastic. I'm a big fan. We do allow restaurant-specific endorsements, but only if they're in Brooklyn. That has apparently become our... Hey, man, if you're getting LASIK, too,

check out the LASIK Vision Institute in Brooklyn. Got my vision to 2010. A lot of Brooklyn-specific plugs, even though we are located in a place where we don't even know what thunder is. If you need hair transplant surgery, go to Turkey, which is located in downtown Brooklyn.

Alright, let's take a quick break. We will be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the

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Every weekday, we bring you conversations with the culture makers who inspire us. Like a recent episode with Latin Grammy winner, podcast host, and TV personality Chiquis about making a name for herself as the eldest daughter of beloved singer Jenny Rivera. name for herself as the eldest daughter of beloved singer Jenny Rivera. I'm not afraid. And I think that that's why I've been able to kind of do my own thing and not necessarily stay in my mom's shadow because I'm not afraid of stepping out of my comfort zone and shaking things up a little bit because that's the only way I feel that you're going to make history. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Coachella has continued forward. Tuesday the january 6th committee unleashed a bunch of testimony from various elected officials or election officials in contested states and yeah it seems like we're just getting where they're locking it in it's like you know being like

he knows he lost he tried to fucking get me to do some shit. I wouldn't do it. And then I got threatened. Right. And that's it. And that seemed to be the same thing. He wasn't coming up with new shit each time. He was doing the same thing. And his people were doing the same thing each time.

I feel like, and this is like conjecture because I didn't read the full book. I read like a summary. But there was that author that I was i think it was trump's biographer and he wrote a whole thing about roy cone the mob lawyer that basically taught trump how to do things and i think and i've noticed this in trump's behavior and it would be very mafioso i think his modus operandi the whole time has been as long as you can manipulate the narrative you can literally do whatever you want and as long as you can afford really good lawyers nothing will stick to you yeah so do whatever you want and i think we're about to i think that method is finally starting to like we're gonna

see we're gonna see is there really a lawyer so good that they can get you out of literally everything that's what we're about to find out. I mean, his whole life, he's just been, it's more a delay game. It's not that they like get him out of it. It's just,

they delay, delay, delay, throw, uh, throw enough suits at it. Like that people are just like, ah,

this we're like tied up. We're the U S government. And we're still like, we can't, we can't deal with this shit. We're like tied up for years. If we, if we want to just stick after this dude who's like who died 20 years ago by the time they like get to any of this shit yeah he's like a master gaslighter because what he just does so much insane shit that he gets people reacting to it

and then he flips it and he's, see how hysterical everyone is? They're always yelling at me. Obviously, they're crazy. They just pick apart everything I do. Look at the last two weeks, X, Y, Z. And then his followers are just like, yeah, he didn't do that. You're just saying he did it. It's just like insane.

You're just playing a video of him saying he did it. Right, right. That's cap. So like now, we're only, as you find out, right, people like Mr. Raffensperger in Georgia and like the speaker in, I believe it was Michigan, these officials, they basically were like, I couldn't, I'm not going to go there with that.

Like I took an oath. Like that was just a little bit too far. That was their response to him being like, why don't you give me the election? Why don't you just fucking break the law, fool? Put you down? No? Okay, well, don't check your Facebook

because people are going to be outside your house screaming at you. And then, I mean, so again, these Republicans basically, these few elected officials who had their hands and whether it was the state legislature or the office ofions in the state, they were apparently just barely craven, not fully craven. Just fucked up to the point that they could look the other way for most stuff, but not to the point where many people had to break the law. And then we heard from these two

women, Shay Moss and her mother, Ruby Freeman, who they were volunteering in Fulton County in Georgia, like most people do. You want to go and work at your polling place because you think that this is a good way for you to help your community through voting because that's been something, been dangled in front of many people's faces. And these two black women, they were at this Fulton County polling place when suddenly they found themselves on the, like on the other side of a conspiracy theory cooked up by Rudy Giuliani and co, uh, about how they were walking out of the polling place or the state polling station with suitcases of ballots and they spoke about how how traumatic that shit was i said i was just trying to help out in my community and then the

president literally is singling me and my daughter out for for fucking what and when you hear that you're like holy shit i mean that's can you imagine right even being in a situation where suddenly your fucking name any fucking anyone listening's fucking name starts coming out of Trump's mouth and being like, this is the person that stole the election. And what the fuck that experience is like. And when you hear it from from those from the testimony of Shea Moss and Ruby Freeman, you're like, oh, my God, like lesser people would probably cave constantly. like lesser people would probably cave constantly like whether it was what you know when you talk about these other officials i mean i don't mean to say that they're like yeah figures of or profiles and bravery from like these like you know republican speakers of the state legislature but in that sense you can tell how much fucking pressure comes like you just get enveloped in it

and that's the environment that you're still trying to be like this is i fucking have to do what's right and then yeah you realize there there is no limit there are no uh there's clearly no boundaries when it comes to trying to act out this shit for them well it's got to be like i can't imagine being a republican that is not down with Trump right now. Because on the one hand, in your mind, you want to be like, well, hey, listen, we're always the party of law and order. We're the party of this. We're the party of limited government, which means we shouldn't even be intervening

in a lot of this stuff. So you want to believe that your base is common sense somehow. But then you see the Josh josh holly like those people are winning all around you and so i like to do the right thing you want to think that your base is going to stay with you but there's a lot of evidence that suggests that they're not so what an insane situation to be in i mean on both sides right like even if you're a democrat and you said something like i don't know if I can vote

for Joe Biden, be like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's like, whoa, okay. But in this instance, it really is like it, the levels that they're going to should really, I think, serve as, again, just repeated reminder of really how one party is fully focused on doing away with all norms and laws that would prevent them from keeping power at this point law and order only means keeping marginalized people from acting up that's what law and order is that's all that that's all that means and now they've fully just jettisoned the idea of like well that means we need to live in a law-abiding or

peaceful society no no no it's yeah get the fuck out the way trump trump took coded language and threw it out there is no more coded language i mean if anything you could say it's thinly veiled like it's certainly not coded yeah and it's very transparent and that's you know it's to your point like the reason people get upset if you criticize but is because the stakes are so high like the other it's like yes both sides but also one side is so much more terrible and dangerous and that's the thing i'm not trying to lump everyone together but there is clearly like all parties have a thing where there's like a mainstream view if you fall out that's when like

it starts being like well they're kind of like one of these fringe fucking freak people who don't know what the fuck's going on. Right, right, right. Which brings us to Ron Johnson, who is probably, I mean, we give this award out a lot, but he is not bright for someone who is a sitting senator. And we found out. How did he get famous in the first place? He's just like a... Where do you start uh he he's had terrible takes on like anything uh let me just even just i'll just we'll do a random thing where

i'll just say i'll search his name with the word abortion uh he says ron johnson tells pregnant people to suck it up and go out of state for an abortion if they want one there you go that's the that's like sort of his repeated thing is like, there's no such thing as a human. It's just like, suck it up if you're poor. I don't know. Yeah. Ron Johnson is just like such a shitty stepdad name too.

Like that's for sure the name of the guy banging your mom. And he's got that Ron, John, Ron. Ron's are having a real moment right now. We'll get to another Ron who's probably going to be the next president in a little while. Yeah, Ron is definitely a parrot head. He follows Buffett on tour. He definitely has a battery-powered margarita blender that he has on him at all times. He definitely is hooked on some sort of opiate.

Yeah. And then his views are disinformed by everything I just told you. 100%. So he's out here, you know, he's in the spotlight losing his religion because the committee comes out with a text exchange from his chief of staff and this guy, Chris Hodgson, who is like, I believe Mike Pence is like legislative director, his main policy wonk guy. And there's this back and forth where the chief of staff is saying, hey, I got this alternate slate of electors that Ron Johnson has to give to V. POTUS. And the guy's like, what are you talking about? He's like, it's these alternate electors.

And Pence's staff members are like, do not give that to him. And this was on the day of January 6th. This is like in as right before the shit's getting breached. These are the text messages being exchanged, almost being like, hey, I can give him this thing that looks like the electors from this other state. But even though the National Archives received those things as part of the certification process and the archives know that these are bullshit electors these are not the ones that were actually certified like there was no need to have a conversation about it but clearly ron johns was like gotta get this in their hands man gotta get gotta get v potus on this so we have them accusing the two election officials in fulton fulton county uh of uh of like put stealing ballots and like doing some shady shit with

actual ballots uh and like that's complete bullshit but then we have them on the day when the thing is being certified trying to put fake votes in like trying to put votes that were not represented above the electoral results in the hands of the vice president like they just guilty of the exact thing that they're accusing everybody else of that is their playbook every time if a republican accuses somebody of doing something you would need to immediately investigate that republican for that thing like anyone anyone who's like that guy's a pedophile it's like uh-oh that guy's a pedophile i was about to say the amount of pedophilia like

that must be happening in this country with like the way that their uh accusations flow damn i'm i mean rudy giuliani loves to throw that one out and we all saw him on borat 2 fully ready to go to town with a teenage girl so that's like you know what are we doing here it's just unbelievable constant figures even like in the southern baptist church now like that we're finding more and more out about but don't start telling the evangelical set about where the predators might actually be in their own churches but again this is all part of the playbook just be like i don't know it's fine like like i think so many people clearly were like we're doing some wild illegal shit but but if we win, he'll be president and nobody's going to see the inside of a jail because we're all counting on this shit to work. Well, and I think they thought he's going to be president forever.

I honestly think there was a thought of like, we can rig this things to where Trump just keeps being president. And then we just groom his predecessor and we just keep going down this path. his predecessor, and we just keep going down this path. Yeah. The wild thing is, after this comes out, like this testimony comes out in the hearings, many people in the press are like, what the fuck?

What? Y'all have these text messages from Ron Johnson's chief of staff? So they caught his ass on the hill right after this shit comes out just to try and ask him like, yo, fam, what's up with what we just heard you were trying to put these fake electors in in pence's hands and he handles it like the most panicked goon you've ever seen trying to take a fake phone call and you can hear him get called out by the reporter know about what your chief of staff was doing with the alternate slates of abductors.

No, you're not. I can see your phone. I can see your screen. He's saying, can you explain what happened there? Why was your chief of staff even offering this to the vice president? what happened there why was your chief of staff even offering this to the vice president it's a complete non-story we've issued statements and this is a non-story you just said it's a non-story guys it's a complete non-story this is a complete uh just leave me alone it is one of the worst attempts i've seen some bad attempts at uh fake phone calls i've done've performed, given really bad performances, occasionally hand me over the top performances where I'm like overdoing it.

You go, hold on, what? Oh man. Other times where I just have the phone press there and I'm just like, they won't notice. They won't notice. And he was doing the underacting, the very naturalistic. He had that phone so far out from his ear the the

reporter's like bro i can see your lock screen what are you fucking talking about like you're not even put it straight on your face and do the thing i you know i'm on a fake call when i go like this no for real yeah and i go i'm sorry i gotta I go, nah. And I keep saying nah on my way out of the room. He couldn't even do that. I mean, listen, I don't hate the game. This is what I do when I have to take a dump in New York City is I walk in a bar and I'm like, is this the right bar? All right, I'm here. I'll order his drinks.

And then I go use the bathroom. And I come out and I go, oh, a different bar? My fault. Sorry, guys. And I leave. So I get it. It's a great tool. I mean, that's it. my fault sorry guys and i leave so i get it it's a great tool but i mean poor ron johnson though again he was like also a big ivermectin fan like i said it's hard for

me to remember everything because just think of every bad policy he capes for it harder than anyone to the point where he's like we all might be horses! I don't know. But they caught him again. Manu Raju caught him again around the Capitol and pressed him again, being like, okay, so then what's up? Like, who gave you this shit? What is, like, what is the deal here? And this guy sounds like me at 13 getting caught smoking, like, one of my grandma's cigarette butts or some shit.

Like, I don't know. It flew into my mouth some staff intern uh-huh you know said we got you know the vice president needs this or whatever you know i wasn't involved i don't know what they said but but somebody from the house delivered to a staff member in my office my chief of staff called the vice president hey we got this and the vice president said don't deliver it we didn't are you curious about the identity of this person are you curious about the identity of this person do you want to ask about it no no it was an intern this is a complete non-story guys he's making complete non-story the best I still don't understand if you get it listen if this

if this were if this were a real committee, they'd be asking, why wasn't the Capitol secured? Who was in charge of that security? This is a total partisan witch hunt. He out of breath. I was not involved in this at all. Where's this motherfucker always walking to? I feel like he's trying to get his steps in on this day that he should be laying the fuck low.

I don't know. I mean, what an insane... What do you mean you don't know who gave it to you? It's on your staff. You're blaming your staff. It's such an... My intern's like, the vice president needs this, so I call the vice president.

That's how shit works. Intern, that's easy. Say, name the intern. Since when is it a sign of incompetence to have incompetent staff? Since when is it a sign of incompetence to have incompetent staff? Since when is that a reflection of me as a person? What do you mean, Mom? What do you mean who gave a child cigarettes to smoke? Why does that matter?

Why does that matter? I have the cigarettes. I smoked the cigarettes. What are we talking about? We're just one intern away from having the entire integrity of the U.Ss electoral system overturned because apparently if an intern suggests someone does something like the fucking senator has to do has to do that thing right you know what i really can't stand about these mega people more than you

know everything is they've made people like mike pence look reasonable like mike pence is the hero of this story yeah i know and he's not doing shit. No. Exactly. But that's what he's best at. Yeah. It's like how Mitt Romney had a moment. It's like, I don't want Mitt Romney to have a moment.

Stop it. I mean, speaking of Mike Pence, though, this guy really, we're talking like, oh, I wonder what he's going to do. It looks like there's a lane clearing up for him if he can just stab his old boss in the back. And he had a chance to talking like, oh, I wonder what he's going to do. You know, it looks like there's a lane clearing up for him if he can just, you know, stab his old boss in the back. And he had a chance to be like, yo, what do you think about the president and all this, like the lies or whatever.

And this hearing goes, you know, honestly, I've never seen a president lie more than Joe Biden. And you're like, oh my God. I mean, he has no chance. Like anybody who tells you he has a chance is diluted by like you know the i think there was a time when donors were powerful enough that they could like get like push someone into relevancy but we like that's just not the case anymore um i i really hope that a lot of billionaires are spending a lot of money on him

as a candidate because he is has no fucking shot absolutely none yeah he was probably in a debate trying to be like why don't you kiss my ring mike he's like oh i will but like that doesn't mean anything and okay so i'm gonna do that now just but but then we can move on to a reasonable debate. Because I'm an American and I respect a former president. Okay. Okay, now are we done? Now can we talk about Iran? Oh, you want to put my foot in your mouth too? Okay, I'll deep throat the wingtip.

What's funny about it too is Trump absolutely suns his entire like all of his colleagues, he suns them in front of his base and then they try to act like these people they respect trump because he treats this like wrestling it's he is a professional wrestler as a president and he just he's vince mcmahon he just comes out and delivers diss tracks and people go crazy they're not going to respect you mike pence he had people on january 6th

trying to hang you there were people trying to find you and hang you from a gallow. Kenny, I got to tell you, the person, I've never seen anybody hang like the president, Joe Biden's leading the American people hanging. Oh, boy. I mean, I almost changed my name to Mark Curry because I was going to be hanging with Mr. Cooper later on. Anyway, shout out Holly Robinson. Pete pete real real wonderful woman real wonderful woman i mean that's true uh shout out holly robinson pete uh but yeah i mean and this is

all happening in the backdrop right we're like now like fox seems to be showing a little bit more of the jane six stuff more so because i feel like they're like man if we treat it like the like album that you don't want your kids to listen to guess what they're gonna go and find a way to listen to the album even if you know you mean like it's bullshit you need to waste your time they clearly are like fuck if they're gonna look somewhere else they better just hear at least our fucked up commentary on it and you've heard some things be somewhat favorable time at times you know you have the odd analyst being like i think he probably crossed a line there and charges may be realistic and like that's the most extreme thing

you'll hear and then they shot this person out but while all this is going on like the gop is like they're they're spending a lot of their energy trying to like pretend what's happening in this january 6th thing is nothing to look at while also trying to figure out, you know, aside from rat fucking the next election, how to bring in potentially turn out a few more voters. But while this is happening, right, you got people like Dr. Oz. He basically disappeared any mention of Trump from his socials, from his website, nothing, the words, there's not even a thing that he's endorsed by Trump on his website. So he basically, once he got out the primary, he basically

Mariahed Trump. Just been like, oh, I don't know her. But that's what the Virginia guy did, right? I mean, this is par for the course for someone in a swing state. Because you can only ride the MAGA wave so far before you're like, it starts getting toxic if i

if i stay on a little bit too long is too hot it's scary i'm too high too high on this shit yeah so that's like clockwork then you have the the fucking one of the the organizers of the january 6th rally one of the fucking people who put this shit together, the rally for him to speak at, she basically is out here saying Trump is washed. This woman, Amy Creamer, she said, quote,

Donald Trump is disconnected from the base. It's time for those of us in the movement to get back to basics, back to basics, back to our first principles. We were here long before

President Trump came along, and we're going to be here long afterward now which is pretty disconnected from the base does that mean not racist enough that's usually what that means now in that context in a way or not dumb enough to back mo brooks we talked about mo brooks he you know from alabama one of the silliest motherfuckers in the congress uh who wore body armor on januaryth, but was like, yeah, but I just did that because, you know, I forgot my tech fleece in my car. I just need to

be warm. That's why I had this ballistic vest on. She was a big supporter of his. And that race just ended. And we talked about how Trump abandoned Mo Brooks's ass and left him just out there in the cold. And as a result, Mitch McConnellcconnell's pick who the you know the the mainstream or not mainstream but that old school gop mitch mcconnell wing backed this other candidate she won so i think this amy creamer woman is a bit in her feelings about that but also at the same time more willing to be like man what the fuck like people being like man this shit doesn't hit anymore that's kind of like what it's it's starting the subtext feels like when people say stuff like that it doesn't hit the same yeah let's take a quick break and then we'll talk about the big the big schism that's

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like to endorse Trump really like they're just like yeah they're cool but like it's yeah he's kind of like Drake trying to get out of his young money deal yeah you know he's like thank you so much thank you so so much up until this point I feel like I may be able to put my own shingle out and see what I do, see how poppin' I can get with just my name not attached to this. And that's basically in so many words what the people around Ron DeSantis are saying, that he isn't interested in seeking Trump's endorsement for re-election in November. So I think think that's if that's true that truly shows like he's trying to he's trying to test the brand he wants to see if the brand is strong enough without trump and being in a state like florida that already gets you a lot of conservative cool points and the fact that he can all he does is nonstop culture war bullshit and like no governance.

They love that even more. Um, and I think that's what makes him a very scary option. Yeah. The New Yorker just did this profile on him. Uh, that is, you know,

it's humanizing in the way that like all profiles tell you a story where like the, the person is the protagonist in a sense, because you like find out how they grew up and shit like that. But he, it's also as far from humanizing as a, as something in that format can get, because even like his high school friends and like his college friends are

all like, yeah, he's like kind of a creep. He's like, just like real distant and like, we'll stab you in the back. The first chance he gets and like, it doesn't really seem to believe in anything, but, but real distant and like, we'll stab you in the back the first chance he gets. And like,

it doesn't really seem to believe in anything, but, but they're all like, but he's so fucking smart and creative. And like, you cannot fuck with this man. Like it really, like I walked away,

I was like, Oh, this is, this is the guy people, people were always like, think about like the worst case scenario when like a smart version of Trump comes along. This is the actually went to harvard motherfucking terminator isn't he harvard and yale harvard uh yale undergrad harvard uh law school um does all the homework like knows

the angle to take that is like closest to the truth for whatever he can like bend into a like outrageous talking point um i remember when i like at the very beginning of the pandemic i when i was like you know doing essentially like oppo research like trying to figure out like what like was there any shred of evidence where was all of this like the pandemic uh is overblown like don't listen to the science shit coming from and like the very closest i could come to finding any scientific backing was this epidemiologist at stanford who basically said that the best the government could do was like just let people run business as usual wait for a vaccine vaccine. Um, it's, you know, it's been pretty thoroughly debunked, but he's still at Stanford. He apparently had tenure. Um, and he still stands by it, but

the profile opens with DeSantis reaching out to that guy, like around the same time that like everybody else was like, you know, trying to figure out this thing he reached out to that guy the doctor talks to him and is like yo this dude not only like reached it like found me he has read all the literature like not just the briefs the actual literature and has like like has the most pertinent questions that you would have if you've read and understood all that shit um it's just he he doesn't give a fuck about people's lives like that's the impression you get he cares about power and that like single-minded focus from day one from when he was like uh like i think they even have quotes from he was on like a team that made it to the little league world series he uh like even the

people back then are like yeah man he's real real motivated really uh single-minded very um yeah his team but his teammates in college like because he played college uh baseball we're all like not a good teammate uh not a guy, but really smart and like really, uh, motivated. And, but most importantly, like the thing that really scared me the most is that he doesn't give a fuck

about public opinion, which is the thing that truly freed Trump to be Trump. He's like not going to, that's the difference between Trump and like every other politician. They all worry about public opinion at a certain point and like he just doesn't doesn't give a fuck like that he seems to like be working with his own internal barometer um he's also not older than the invention of doorknobs he's 43 he was born in 78 he would destroy joe biden in an election like he would

rinse that motherfucker if it was just like biden versus him like that that's not gonna it's not gonna go well the the democrats need to be thinking about what they're gonna do if this and i think this is kind of where i'm sure the gop is at this crossroads i think like man okay do we jettison from trump because we might have something in des is at this crossroads to think like, man, okay, do we jettison from Trump? Because we might have something in DeSantis here. Yeah, I used to think that was unlikely. And now I'm starting to think that's at least a story that we should be paying attention to because it might make sense for them to start thinking DeSantis. I mean, he sounds like if Ted Cruz hadn't melted yet. Right. Yeah. He's like charismatic Ted Cruz hadn't melted yet. Right.

Yeah. Like he's like charismatic Ted Cruz. He's not charismatic. That is one detail. The guy's like, when you meet him in person, he can't even like talk to you. Like he can't even stay on subject.

It's just like, he is like a, like a turn. He's like a machine that is built for public office. Right. He's aloof and like a complete like asshole in person but like when he gets up and like just in terms of like how he positions himself he's very good what it sounds like just with a couple ucb improv classes he might be really something

to mess with because he can improv like trump because that was trump's biggest thing too is he loved to improv that and like i think that helped this appearance that he's improv like Trump. Because that was Trump's biggest thing, too, is he loved to improv. And I think that helped this appearance that he's not like another politician, where I'm sure, at the end of the day, they love DeSantis for the culture war shit, not the MAGA jazz. Well, and I think here's something that's maybe hopeful on the side of it, is if he's going to publicly basically say, Trump ain't shit, I don't need him. Well, if we know anything about Donald Trump, he's going to publicly basically say, Trump ain't shit, I don't need him. Well, if we know anything about Donald Trump,

he's going to come after you. And it is very, if you're not with me, you're against me. It's not going to be like, oh, fine, well, don't get my endorsement. See how you do. It's like, oh, you don't want my endorsement? Well, guess what? I'm now your opponent. Yeah, guess who's running not on the Republican ticket.

That's exactly right so that's what i'm hoping this is definitely split you know and it's happening on both sides but the republican party is just like fracturing right now oh i see yeah i hope that that would be great if trump also ran if they both ran for president that's why i mean we talked a few weeks ago about how he was talking about announcing on the 4th of July his candidacy for 2024 because he wants yeah yeah because he's he he really has an eye on the field and he's like fuck man I don't know if it's Nikki Haley I'm gonna have to go toe-to-toe with if it's Ron DeSantis but these are younger people who have followings in significant like regions of the country that you need to win an election and that you know that may be factoring

all into this but you know at the end of the day like you're saying jack i think the thing that's scary like i didn't realize he was a nihilist you know like i didn't really he believes in nothing and he's ordering the lingonberry pancake he gets the lingonberry pancake when he's at ihop i want to go to pancakes house yeah yeah oh Pigs in blanket. But that's his order. And he believes in nothing. And I think that's also very frightening too, because that's kind of like that level of like, oh yeah, I have no boundaries in my naked pursuit of power

and however that comes. But I do think that's why that side of the aisle is, what I'm hoping, why I'm hoping for a great fracture is because no one on that side of the aisle has an actual idea of a greater good anymore. There might be a few people that we don't talk about, but this like core, this MAGA core,

these are all just opportunists. Oh yeah, this is like an ethno-state. And they will, yeah, they will tear each other apart. This was all a pursuit of power. So many of these MAGA people, QAnon, whatever, if you think about QAnon people, a lot of people in QAnon were kind of like losers before. I mean, I don't mean to be like judgy, but

like they, and then they get big in this world and now they have power and they're like, well, I'm not going to give that power back. I'm not going back to no YouTube views. I'm staying at this 20 million or whatever the hell I got. Yeah. But that's their motivation. Yeah. Right. And then they get a lot of very real sense of like economic losers who,

you know, much of this country has been treated like by the country and like given up for dead and that those people yeah there's desperation there that's why like right i think we're in such a dangerous position is because like the only thing that is offering a alternative to the mainstream like well we're gonna like get wall street to you know keep the economy propped up and then you'll keep getting uh like you know mainstream democrat or mainstream republican like uh plans to help you out like that shit is gone and the only people who are offering an alternative are fascists. Like that, that's not a good position to be in.

Like the, the left needs to, uh, hurry the fuck up and figure out what we're going to do because that, that they, they're there already. Like they're there. Well,

their game plan is their game plan is simple. Their play is very easy. It's just like, Hey, everything they say is bad is not actually bad. They're saying it's bad to scare you I'm the only one brave enough to say this Follow me and basically it's just like don't worry about this shit because it isn't real and that's like relieving to people like oh

Thank God and then so many of these people were left for dead Talked down to by the left coastal elitism is a real thing as somebody from Missouri You know there's only so many times someone can refer to you as a flyover state before you throw two middle fingers up and go, OK, I guess I'm not for you then. Right. And and so these people speak that language. It's you're significant. You matter. You've been screwed over by these people. Nancy Pelosi is worth one hundred fifty million dollars. You think she cares about you? And they point to a very valid critique of the Democratic establishment that it's a bunch of hypocrites that are super wealthy and disconnected and it's a very appealing candidacy if you don't

have critical thinking skills if you are not highly educated to where you understand the intricacy of systems and you just go okay i'm being spoon-fed something that makes me feel significant i'm in a hundred 100% and it's all emotion because the other people keep telling me it's something to do with structural racism or some shit I'm not interested in that worldview

it sounds very hard immigrants I understand that and again that's why it's like there are a few ways to look at how to make your life better. And like you're saying, Jack, the people who are offering fascism and violence seem to have a flashier brand at the moment than basic human needs being met. Than nothing. like like john federman literally is like the closest that they've got to like somebody who won a major election and like at least supported bernie sanders like other than that like there

there's not a whole lot uh on the national on the national stage right now um and the democrats will continue to make that the case uh like as currently constructed well speaking of being spoon-fed something that makes you feel good is cereal dying um that's a great question uh because angela pagan at the takeout uh one of our favorite food blogs just like wrote this article like sounding the alarm which was saying we can't let cereal die uh is what the name of the piece is and you know this is there's there is significance to cereal right i think as she points out it's like it's like making serious like one of the first things a child ever learns to make for themselves almost like the first intricate meal that you ever make is like over pouring a bunch of fucking cereal and spilling a carton of milk. And you're like, yes, I am on my way to being adult.

But she points out to the fact that like, you know, Kellogg's like just splintered off into three different like subgroups for their business because like they need to get sales up. And cereal apparently has just become, it's just in a decline. It shows that most people, they're opting for other things, more portable breakfast options like a breakfast bar or something like that. In 2016, there was an analysis done that estimated sales of cold and hot cereals to total around $10 billion, which was 17% less than what they did in 2009.

And then basically they projected a steady decline all the way into 2020, and it's been holding up. And they're pointing to the fact that convenience and portability play a large role in why people have begun turning away from the classic breakfast option. And as she points out, another research firm surveyed consumers back in 2015 and found out that 39% of millennials said cereal was inconvenient

because you have to clean a dish afterward and i'm like that's factual that's us that is fact that's us big i'll just eat it out the box if i have to they need to all right whatever whatever they make uh the what's that Vitamix blenders out of cereal companies need to give those out. And then you, you can just like a cereal bowl made out of that, a cereal spoon made out of that. And then you, they'd be golden because like that shit, you just like put it in the sink and put a little water on it and just everything slides right off of it. Granted, it's probably like giving us all cancer, uh,

30 years from now, but that's my blood type is plastic. Yeah. Exactly. Um, I don't know. Like we, we still have,

you know, five or six boxes of cereal at any given time in our household. But that's, and that's the thing that she's pointing out. Like adults, are we gonna embrace cereal again because we can't just count on the children to keep cereal alive are we gonna and she did point out in 2020 cereals that there was an uptick because a lot of adults were home

and they're like yeah fucking i like cereal like i got a minute i'll eat a bowl of cereal but then that's that sort of trend is dying off again. Cereal is dessert. Like basically like that. That's how I treat it. I don't I don't have a bowl of cereal and be like, and now I am on my way to a healthy day the way I once did. Like that's for sure. One big thing that has improved my, you know, cereal, like made me more likely to eat cereal

now is like lactose free milk. I didn't realize I was lactose intolerant or, or like, you know, I'm probably like 40% lactose intolerant, but does it like, I, I felt like taking a nap every time I ate cereal. And then I started getting lactose free milk because our kids are lactose intolerant. Now I can eat cereal with abandon. Wow, look at you. See? But I don't because it's a big sloshy soup in your belly right after you eat it. It doesn't feel great.

I haven't pulled a box of cereal off the shelf and put it into my cart since probably 2012. Wow. So you're the problem. Yeah. I mean, I like i like it i like savory look i like savory breakfast when i eat cereal like when i was really eating it i was like in college and i would be so high and it was the easiest way to get calories that didn't involve heating food so like yeah i would eat a like a salad mixing bowls worth of like a half box of

rice crispy treat cereal right before class not knowing how nutrition worked but since then uh i guess i continued for five years after that and then in 2012 i finally got my shit together yeah i see headlines like this i'm always like do we have to save it like the reason that's the other thing the reason the reason we're moving on from it is because there's better things like right for breakfast this morning, I had a cereal adjacent item. I had a bowl of Siggy's yogurt with blueberry vanilla granola mixed in it, which is like basically just like, hey, it's cereal, but less sugar and more probiotics, and you'll actually feel full because of the yogurt.

Right, right, right. I didn't know about that in the 90s. So I was slopping cereal. Oh, 100% part of the problem so i was slopping cereal yeah oh 100 part of cereal traders out here absolutely i mean i guess i've never been pro cereal i'm a hot breakfast or a quick breakfast see for me i like savory if you're gonna offer me breakfast i don't eat i don't even eat pancakes like i don't like give me salt for you know thank you shout out to my blood pressure yeah i i put cereal that for our kids i put a small like mixture of like four cereals one that's like somewhat sweet with like a bunch of other like more healthy cereals i put that like down while i'm making the eggs i i never consider like okay you've had breakfast but like that's that's something that will keep them occupied because

if they don't eat within like a half hour of waking up, it's bad. Also, something just hit me. There's a reason for this, maybe, because millennials are having less kids. Only one of us in this chat has children that I'm aware of, and you're the one with the cereal. I'm the one with the cereal.

You got the cereal juice. You know what I mean? It's like for tired parents. Really, cereal is for tired parents. That's exactly what it is. You can't tell your teacher I didn't feed you now. So here's this. Go to school.

Please get out of my face. And I mean, if we go way back, right, because we talk about this, if we're talking Kellogg, you know, it was anti-fap material. Don't jack off. The reason that I serve it to my kids is because I can't keep them off themselves, you know, just constantly pounding it unless I give them unless I get your corn flakes. Yeah, corn flakes. That's what that was the original thing. Yeah, he was like, you got to feed them not spicy, bland, shitty tasting cereal or else they'll just be masturbating all day. And it's like, I don't know, man,

maybe your whole culture is fucked up and you need to look at something besides whether the food you give them tastes too good. It's like where one guy is accidentally revealing his secret stuff. Y'all know how if you eat a tasty breakfast, you just jack off all day?

We all do that, right? We gotta stop this. Every time I have an avocado toast i just beat off 30 times i can't have this who's with me please some more shredded cardboard please yeah anyway yeah there is definitely some line goes up shit like the whole idea that cereal is like dying off is like it's down year over year it's like yeah well maybe like it's down year over year. It's like, yeah, well maybe like it's still going to be a thing. It just won't be like, it won't have an entire aisle of the grocery store.

It will have, you know, a little section where people who still enjoy cereal, like they'll still be able to make money off of it. It's going to be fine. Could you imagine though, as a society, we just full stop reject cereal,

like within the next 10 years or like, and then we never saw cereal in the united states again i mean no the porn lobby is way too powerful for that shit to happen so who's drinking milk you know i mean like that's part of it too like yeah now things go hand in hand i'm off that i drink like i put oat milk in my coffee now. Yeah. Me too. I'm, you know, because more, you know, as we learn more, I'm like, damn, my eating habits will catch up to me eventually. And like when you look at like the rates of like things like colon cancer and stuff like that and how that relates to certain diets and stuff, I'm like, shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe at a certain point you got to take that part seriously. But not now because the world is too stressful. So I will eat a block of cheese every day. Yeah, dude. Let me tell you what's not dying. A block of cheese.

Hell yeah. Although, don't we still have record cheese surpluses, too, in the country? Oh, wow. Yeah. Send it my way. Yeah. I mean, they might let you into one of those caves where they keep all that fucking cheese.

Oh, to the dome. Yeah. Right to the dome. oh to the dome yeah yeah right to the dome cheese to the dome uh kenny such a pleasure having you as always where can people find you follow you i always have so much fun thank you for having me man um i have not looked at twitter since uh will smith slapped chris rock and so don't i don't good for you i mean i still have an account and i might i'm probably going to deactivate it. But I'm just telling you. So Instagram is where I'm at now.

That's where I'm popping. I want you to follow me on Instagram if you're going to follow me. It's at Kenny DeForest. I post clips of my stand-up. But this is the thing. I don't post it daily. Everyone's like, you've got to post something daily. It doesn't even matter if it's good.

And I respect my followers more than that. So I actually need your help. I need a little word of mouth on my Instagram. Tell your friends, like, hey, he's a comic. matter if it's good and i i respect my followers more than that so i actually need your help i need a little word of mouth on my instagram tell your friends like hey he's a comic he posts captioned videos but he only posts them when they're good and you'll kind of forget that you follow him for short stretches of time and then something will pop up in your feed and you'll be like so grateful that he doesn't post it every day and it'll be a nice treat and you'll be like oh this guy i like i'm so glad he posted one video this week because it's actually good and it's not a half-baked premise because

he's trying to trick the algorithm into giving him a career okay so follow me i will not inundate you and then tell your friends like hey this guy it's he's not too much you won't have to mute him that's pretty cool oh i like that yeah kenny is there a tweet or something on social media anywhere that you've been enjoying i have been on a huge rabbit hole of this youtube series called the soft white underbelly and uh i don't know if you guys have heard of it but it's incredible and it's this photographer whose studio is on skid row and the long and short of it is he always believed that a picture told the whole story. And he did this series of photographs

of people across the United States and people had follow-up questions. And he was like, you know what? Maybe I should interview people. And because he's on Skid Row, he interviews a ton of unhoused folks. He interviews prostitutes. He interviews pimps.

He interviews drug addicts. It's people that are sort of on the fringes of society. And his whole thing is, I am nonjudgmental. So these people really open up to him. And he pays them for their time. So it's a nice thing. It doesn't feel exploitative. You know this unhoused person is getting paid.

But they're giving you an insight into how you end up on Skid Row or how you end up a drug addict. And I heard him in an interview say he hopes that his show is like a crash course, crash course in empathy. And I would say that he is succeeding, man. It's really fascinating. Some of them are hard to watch,

but it's a really cool. I think what he's doing. So I highly recommend you to check it out. Awesome. Miles, where can people find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Oh,

Twitter, Instagram at miles of gray. Obviously check out miles and jack got mad boosties we just got written up on nba.com okay not i mean purely based off the strength of the show you know not because it's an official collab and maybe there's some contractual stuff i like to think of it as this had to happen it was inevitable um but check out miles and Jack on Matt Boosties. Check out 420 Day Fiance. And please, please, please check out the other, a new podcast I helped produce called Lords of Soccer,

which is about corruption within FIFA. And it's a very, it's like true crime and sports intersecting with all kinds of dark, murky figures and bags of cash being exchanged. So the World Cups are in weird places or at weird times um now let's see a tweet i like first one uh is from uh at at the nba central they they posted a video these kids i think waiting outside of like the charlotte like practice facility and they're waiting for like lamello and mj comes out and i just want to play this because there's a moment because they're like it's mj and they ask for a picture and guess what he

says oh there's michael jordan michael jordan can i get a picture hey calm down huh michael can we get a picture no he sees them i feel like before they see him and he's by the time they see him he's already telling them to calm down yeah come on calm down calm down calm like you've seen somebody before is that what he said i don't know i feel like i mean i'm pretty sure the first thing it sounded like he said calm down he definitely says calm down Then he says a sentence that I couldn't make out. And then I was just channeling my, my like grumpy black grandfather who would have been said some shit,

like act like you've seen somebody before and just chill the fuck out over there. And can we get a picture? No, no, no, no. Thank you. That man never, ever, ever stops winning. Every interaction that man is in you are versus him by the way yeah just so you know and if he says yes he lost won that one yeah

yeah that's i think that's how he looks at it if i say yes i lose the michael jordan story uh and then one more kids the michael jordan story yeah fucking kids michael jordan uh and then uh at where was it uh dr john John Paul tweeted, Crystal Waters told us that lady was homeless and all we did was dance for that la-da-dee-da-da-da cause she's homeless

she's homeless Yeah, and it's true. We were just like, she ain't got no money la-da-dee-da-da-da She's like, fuck it. We're good. All right. Please be nice.

G-N-E-I-S-S tweeted, it is what it is in my way through the collapse of civilization, which I think could be the tagline of our podcast. Yeah. I mean, we have dropped a lot of it is what it is or it's what it's or it's what it is uh throughout throughout the course of the show um uh sheila mckaylee tweeted 2022 so much house music so few homes um and then uh i like to there are a couple riffs on the, he's a 10, but, or she's a 10, but shenanigans tweeted. He's a 10, but no, no man is a 10. This is propaganda.

Please educate yourself. Brooks tweeted. He's a, he's a seven, but he ate nine. Okay. Just a little riff on a classic joke. And then Adrian, Ian, a Shelley, Ian, a cello tweeted. a little riff on a classic joke uh and then adrian ianicelli ianicello uh tweeted she's a 10 but is the premise of most seinfeld episodes which is also true holy shit you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily

zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website daily zeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy and today we got a banger that miles was playing before uh we started recording oh man so you know i shout out uh zeitgang in south africa i know on june 16th you were uh celebrating a national holiday and june 16th 1976 uprising uh you know and i i've south africa has been swirling in my mind and i was on tiktok and i caught a video and i said what the fuck is this track and i got put on to this whole uh like house subgenre called i'm a piano a-m-a-p-i-a-n-o and it's from south africa and it's fucking dope it's like it every song i've heard done in this

style like it really resonates with me and it's a perfect like summer music so this is an artist i found called rusco r-s-c-o and the song is called piano ting t-i-n-O. And the song is called Piano Ting. T-I-N-G. And it is a remix of Amory's One Thing. It's just one thing that got me spinning again. It's one thing that got me tripping. Anyway, but done this on my piano style and it's fucking dope.

So this is Rusco Piano Ting. Put it in your ears and just enjoy. Enjoy the ride. That might be the song that is i most consistently enjoy anytime it is remixed i fucking love that song yeah just it hits every time shout out a fellow ablation amory there you go um all right well i highly recommend you check out the footnotes and uh listen to that song the daily zeitgeist is a production of iheart radio for more podcasts from iheart radio visit the iheart radio app apple podcast or wherever and listen to that song. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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