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Episode Date: February 25, 2025

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James Carville is very confident that the Dems got this. When was the last time he was confident that the Dems got this? 1992, I believe, was the last time James Carville. No, no, no. It was like two months ago. Oh, well, he said Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris is going to win the election. Easy.

Look at all the rascals on the right. People are all voting for a rascal. Unless it's Buckwheat. Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris is going to win the election. Easy. Look at all the rascals on the right. People are all voting for rascal. Unless it's Buckwheat. Been trying to get him to run for agents now. We said, make America O'Tay again. It sounds like, uh, like Joe Biden actually would believe like Buckwheat

was his friend from back in the day. Just like, I remember when Joe Biden would say that he was down with Buckwheat. And I had this friend Buckwheat. You wouldn't believe it, man. The things he'd say, things are A-O-Tay. I just want to make America O-Tay again. O-Tay again. Hell man, I was trying to, somebody must have done an AI thing with Joe, Joe Biden riffing on being friends with Buckwheat.

And I was like, I'm going to go with O-Tay thing with Joe, Joe Biden riffing on being friends with buckweed and that or like Mr. Bojangles or some shit. Yeah. Yeah. I was friends with Uncle Huckabuck. Uh oh. We'll find out. Uh oh.

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Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Season 377 seemed low to me. It goes back and forth between seeming impossibly high and impossibly low but 377 weeks that's all we've been doing? Seems like an eternity. It's only been, let's look at the age lines on my palms of my hands, seven years. Yeah well what? What's today? February 25th is as we all know, it's National Chocolate Covered Nut Day and National Clam Chowder Day. Boom.

Hell yeah it is. Favorite chocolate covered tree nut? Clam chowder. Chocolate covered clam chowder. Chocolate covered nut, clam chowder. Okay, cool, great choice. Wait, was the second one clam chowder day? Clam chowder day, love a good chowder. I don't, I used to, that was like there with, I loved anything cream based when I was a kid. We were like a real skim milk family

and I think I just like craved the cream, Justin don't isolate that and pull it out. But I did crave the cream as a kid. And so loved Fettuccine Alfredo, loved some New England clam chowder. And now I find both of those things gross. Personally. No, sorry to hear that. Sorry, that's more for me.

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They make everyone on this podcast feel old as fuck. Please welcome the young, the talented, Garrison Davis! The brilliant Garrison! I like Fettuccine Alfredo, maybe like twice a year. Oh, twice a year, okay, there's a limit. More than that, it's a little much. But yeah, twice a year I sometimes will be like, you know what I want?

I want some Alfredo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me that Alfredo. Give me that Fred. I mean, I don't know why I'm acting like I'm over the cream. I still like eggnog. Okay. Whoa. Okay. Yeah. No, you cannot be talking. As you're chugging down the nog.

I am also an eggnog defender. But hey now, but hey now, like you can't you can't be trash and clam chowder and then like chugging eggnog secretly. You're like you like turn around. You have a hidden jug. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. I would say the thing that I like about eggnog is that it doesn't have any chunks of clam in it

Okay, all right Personally Jack May and I got a I gotta show you the thing I make every Christmas clam No Garrison it's been way too long very too long. How have you been? I am not. Sounds fucking gross. Oh no. Garrison, it's been way too long. Very too long. How have you been? I've been good. I moved to the East Coast of the United States of America.

Oh, wonderful. I have been unbelievably busy and had my mind destroyed attending political conventions last year. Yeah. Yeah, you were at the RNC. How did you get there? Yeah. Yeah, you were at the RNC. Yeah, and the DNC, and frankly, the DNC actually was more of like a drill to my mind. Like I was prepared for the RNC. I have like psychic defenses, right? I'm like good.

The DNC like messed me up though. We study these people. Exactly. What is it about? Is it the dissonance of the DNC? What about the DNC was so- How unserious they are. Yeah.

Well, it's- We talk about- I like the drill to the brain reference, the end of Pi. We talk about taking a TheraGun to the head. Yeah. Being the- More sustainable way. Thing that we all need.

Yeah, more sustainable. Some weeks it'd be like that. Monday morning, hard reset is what we call it. Just a theragun to the temple. Yeah, what was it about the DNC? The dissonance is one aspect. It's also like, everyone's so convinced that they're the adults there. This is the real adult convention.

We're not doing that crazy stuff like the other table is doing. This is the adults table. Meanwhile, as they completely lose touch on the cultural moment and refuse to stand up for the things that they would nominally claim to care about and just demonstrate complete spinelessness. I don't know. It was very disheartening, more so than just the kind of wacky, bizarro land of the RNC, which while arguably slightly more evil, I'm so prepared for. Because it's the obvious mass deportation convention is the biggest thing there.

Yeah, we uncovered this video in the aftermath that, I mean, I guess other people had known about, about, uh, this, like, Kamala Harris activation at fashion week. Is that where it was? Paris fashion week or New York fashion week? New York fashion week. Yeah. That was just, had like a Wright's Jenga tower and a like grab-em-by-the-pussy grabber claw machine. Uh-huh. UFO catcher. And just all these like weird like things that you would swear were. Like 2015. Ham-fisted satire.

If they weren't there at an event that was like hot girl, Brett summer wall, where you can take a picture and prove that you're the Brett of the Harris campaign. It was so wild. But yeah, again, make makes you feel like it just, it feels like a dream. I would have when I am spiking the worst fever in the history of my body. Yeah. Last year was a really dark summer. Um, yeah, I think you have mispronounced Brett.

Brad. It was a really brat summer. That's right. Yeah, you just wear a brat green like Timothy Chalamet and then like all your worries go away. Yeah, that's true. Timothy Chalamet. In one article I was reading about him giving that speech,

they're like donning a brat green shirt underneath his leather tuxedo. I think we need to talk about Timothy Chalamet on today's episode. Garry, so we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about. You recently had an episode on It Could Happen Here, where you took us through the fall of the US democracy and what that looks like. Then a follow-up interview with

a constitutional law professor on just all these institutions that have crumbled and where we're at with all that. We just want to pick your brain a little bit on where we are. How are we feeling about the courts? It seems like Congress and a lot of other institutions completely and immediately crumbled. They were designed to do that. They were crash dummies or something.

They were just there to fall dramatically. They were Washington generals, to use the metaphor we keep referring to. The Harlem Globetrotters, timely, timely. Timely, always timely. We'll just talk about that state of politics. I do want to just talk about Timothy Chalamet's acceptance speech. He won the big award,

best actor at SAG, at the SAG Awards? SAG Awards, yeah. That's a screen actor's grill. That's the screen actor's grill. That's the screen actor's grill. That's a big one where they say, we are actors and we know actors grills. And he won that one and gave a speech that I thought was so funny, like just specifically the very last line where he- Yeah, evoking the grace.

... talked about who he's inspired by really cracked me up. Anyways, we're going to talk about who he's inspired by really cracked me up anyways we're gonna talk about all that uh plenty more but first garrison davis we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are okay well i got i got a few nazi things for work um uh uh just updates on got a few Nazi things for work. Just updates. Got a few Nazi things for work. The Nazi situation. But on a lighter note, last night I was trying to remember the name of like this

Yowie anime I watched years ago. This like post-apocalyptic kind of like surviving a totalitarian government type things, you know, because of like surviving a totalitarian government type thing. You know, because of the general everything happening. And I finally remembered what it's called. I don't know what you're referring to, but go ahead. I finally remember what it's called. It's called Number Six.

Very good, very, it's a very well done story. I think it's done by Studio Bones, I want to say, but don't quote me. But pretty fun, pretty fun show. And that was, I, through my Googling, I finally was able to, to come across this. So that's my, that's my Google search. Oh, sick name for the studio, by the way. Fuji TV series. They're not doing too good right now. Fuji TV. Yeah. It's a sad state. Yeah, they have like a massive scandal going on that has basically caused all the ad money to run dry. And like one of the longest running animes or the longest running anime in Japan, Sazae-san, had for the first time no sponsors on the show ever in its history over many decades

because of the fallout of like a sexual assault scandal that's happening with one of their biggest talents. Anyway, that's some Japanese media news for people. What? This is a great recommendation. I do think people are looking for media that is about authoritarianism and fascism. Robert Evans recommended a book, I think, on it could happen here. They thought they were free. They thought they were free. Yeah, that was an interesting interview with Nazis after the fact. People in Nazi Germany, yeah.

Yeah, like workaday people in Nazi Germany. Like the butcher, but people who eventually would succumb to- Oh, you mean someone who's butchering meat to sell. Yeah, yeah, sorry. I definitely should have chosen a different- but people who eventually would succumb. You mean someone who's butchering meat to sell. Yeah. Sorry. I definitely should have chosen a different. I'm like, German butcher in Nazi Germany? Yeah. Yeah. Just like the local people. Let's say fishmonger.

Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Exactly. I guess that's too much like fear monger. Well, they're all kind of choice. What are some other, do either of you have other recommend? Like obviously 1984 is the one that I don't know. This Orwell guy was, must've been a real marketing genius because every time

there's some, some sort of authoritarianism sales go through the fucking roof. Guys, guys, genius. Is there other like media that is less famous than 1984? That either of you are like, this is this is good for the moment. I actually haven't heard of 1984. So I'm not the I'm not the best person to ask. That's just the year I was born. Yeah, I think it's a Taylor Swift album, but I haven't looked in. Not a Swifty either. Yeah. Okay. Garrison.

This is somewhat related only because I this is the only thing I can think of because I watched it recently. The movie Brazil. Yeah. Which in some ways is related, I would say in terms of like surveillance and like, you know, the reorientation of like the intelligence apparatus. On another side, it's related but counter in terms of the kind of like a paperwork essence of that movie where it's British people upset at government inefficiency.

And then you see these ways to try to deal with that inefficiency and deal with the crushing weight of meaninglessness that comes from like, that comes from like government workers who do like repetitive, like boring tasks. And I know there's been a lot more news recently about like government workers. So that's kind of been on my mind, because the people who like actually, you know, make the cogs turn for our country are being like laid off in mass. So I don't know, like, Brazil is both related to this, but also a little bit like, it also like stems from like the similar like frustration at like,

you're at like, you know, this idea of bureaucracy and different ways of like trying to like handle that problem versus recognizing how important bureaucracy is for like stable operations of a country. Trump's handling that problem for us. Yeah, everything is much more stable right now. That's the word that comes to mind. Yeah, ask yourself something. Were you better off just two months ago?

Eggs. Oh, yes. Egg prices. Eggs are flying off the shelf, man. I don't... Yeah, because we're stealing them. That's right, because they're too much money now. Yeah. Right.

Garrison, what's something you think's underrated? I showed people the straight story, the David Lynch movie from the late 90s, a few weeks ago in honor of his passing. I would say it's maybe an underrated Lynch movie. Also a very good Midwest movie, maybe like the Midwest movie, besides maybe Fargo. I really like this straight story. It's very heartwarming. It's not one you hear talked about tons, or at least you didn't prior to his death. I've seen more people discuss it now.

But The Straight Story is definitely underrated in my opinion. And oddly enough, you can watch it on Disney Plus. So there you go. Oh, wow. Right. Yeah, how many Lynch films can you see on Disney Plus right now? One, the straight story. Okay.

Because it wasn't a Disney product, right? Yeah. It was like David Lynch's norm core movie that I just always thought of as him proving. It was almost like the famous Garth Brooks as Chris Gaines thing that we all still think of as one of the great acts of musical genius. No, obviously that failed. But sometimes artists will be like, I'm so good at this, I'm going to prove that I can do this other thing that seems easy to me. And then when they try it, it doesn't work out so well. And David Lynch was like, I'm going to just make a straight down the middle

movie, which I guess like elephant man is also totally that, you know, so he had proven that he could do that before, but it, I, I've never seen the straight story and I was very, I was like, I, I should watch the straight story when he passed and you know, we're thinking about David Lynch a lot, but I was like, but that's like not in line with I feel like he wouldn't want that to be the movie that I know why I think he would. He is he is described it as his most experimental film. What an asshole. He's not being ironic there. It is for him. He shot it monologically,

not something that you do. It's the only one of his films that he didn't write. It was written by his long-term romantic and artistic partner, Mary Sweeney. It's him dealing with mortality and death and family. It is very Lynchian. And like the thing that Emzema, the thing that the main character based on a real guy is like diagnosed with and kind of jump starts his this journey to like reunite with his family is the thing that eventually like Lynch was diagnosed with and you know contributed

to Lynch's own death. Oh wow. I didn't realize that. There's a lot of linkages here. I think it is the movie I wanted to watch after he died. Because it's about old people in middle America who have their weird little life and they try to find love and joy and beauty in that. And that actually is fundamentally Lynchian in my mind. I showed people after,

I'm like, this is the movie that I need to watch to help deal with these feelings. Because it felt so related to the actual events surrounding Lynch's death. That's so interesting. Yeah, I had no idea that the character was dying of emphysema. I just knew he was dying, but amazing. That is, I always talk about how I need things recommended to me, like, 15 times before I act on them. That was a strong enough one that I think that's like the sixth recommendation, but I'm going to watch the straight story right now.

Miles, you've got this episode from here. All right. I just remember watching it too, because my mom at the time, she's like, you're going to love this. I'm like, wait, this is the dude on the lawnmower movie? Yeah. And then it was funny too, because I didn't even realize it. I mean, when it came out, I was like 14 or whatever, and I didn't realize I had just

watched a Lynch film. Sure. That didn't make me anything to do. My only intersection with Lynch films was watching Eraserhead as a five-year-old. So, yeah, it was it was a nice realization. I was like, oh, he doesn't make stuff that would scare the shit out of me as a five-year-old. Yeah, no, there's a lot of lawnmower in that movie. Yeah, yeah. Beautiful.

Garrison, what's something you think is overrated? Sparkly water. I can't do it. There's little like La Croix cans. They leave such like a weird metallic bitter aftertaste. I don't know if this is like some weird like this is like this is like a genetic thing like with like like with like the cilantro stuff. Right.

I don't understand how anyone can enjoy those. Like it's so off putting to me. It like any kind of carbonated water club soda by itself I can't do I can have it like in cocktails I can have like I can have it like right mix with other things but by itself It tastes really bad It reminds you saying that it reminds me of how I used to think like what sparkling water tastes like carbonated water I'm like what the fuck is going on with this water like aside the bubbles. And then I don't know whether it's like age or something. Maybe

like how I grew to love like mushrooms. It's like to sure. No, same, same. Totally psilocybin. Okay. Sure. Also that. Oh yeah. And also like shiitake and those ones too. But like, I think LSD is acquired taste. Most people come to it late in life. Lysergic acid is really getting a bad rap. But like, there is, I don't know, and then suddenly I'm like, I like it. I'm really curious, Garrison, have you had a Topo Chico? Because I think that's the most aggressive form of carbonated water you could drink. I like those slightly better.

Oh, really? Yeah. Because they have the taste. The taste is clean. Yeah, I like those better than like the La Croix cans. Absolutely. But it's still something I would like reach for regularly. Frankly, I would rather have still water.

But if it's there, I'll be like, yeah, I'll have it. All right, all right. It's good to know. I feel like the sparkling water for me at this point, and I do, you also took me back to my childhood when I was like, what the fuck is this? Something wrong with this shit. Yeah. Yeah.

Because I drank so much soda growing up. Yeah, sure. Like this is like soda, but something has gone terribly wrong. Yeah. Cause it's not hitting your taste buds like soda. So it's like, well, everything else is doing it except for this one important thing. And I think my brain's filling it in with this shit sucks and it's gross. America's finest scientists haven't spent years crafting the, like how this mouth

feel like wires directly to my brain and digs into my pleasure centers. And therefore I, I hate it, but now I feel like I can drink fizzy water and taste it less. I feel like it covers up the taste. Whereas before, yeah, I felt like there was a taste there. I do feel like it's just something my body or brain has taught itself to be like, this is what adults do now. Right.

We're all drinking this. Welcome to death, son. Drink your bubble water that tastes like lead. That's right. Have you tried the lead, LaCroix? I have. I haven't tried the lead flavor yet, no. Lead is actually, it's pretty interesting.

It's got like kind of a. It's like sour? What is that? Yeah, it's like sour and there's like a bitterness that you can feel in your soul a little bit. Like it's like the aftertaste. Like a resonant bitterness. Yes.

The exhaust, the 1986 Honda Accord exhaust notes are like kind of come in after the fact. And Japanese. Yeah, exactly. So it's sophisticated. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we will talk about politics. Yay. What?

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A message from NHTSA and the ad council And we're back we're back and so Garrison yeah Garrison What is all this in? Guys Points you What the fuck is, what is all this? What happened? I'm sorry guys. One of the points you made, that it is sort of how I experienced the whole Doge thing, is that Doge as a concept started out as everybody being somewhat dismissive and being like, well they can't do anything.

Yeah, like the fucking stupid meme concept like come on, right? Yeah, exactly This is dumb. They're not your shit. The coin is gonna be a government agency. Okay, it's not even a real agency It's yeah an advisory commission. They can't do anything right? Yeah, it's just a dumb meme thing They literally named it Doge like it's so ridiculous and Weeks later, we're all like, oh no! Turns out they can't do stuff. Yeah. I guess, somehow. Well, what happened?

Hey, hey, what happened? Yeah, I mean, I guess we kind of forgot that, like, you know, they don't need to follow the rules. It doesn't matter. They can just do stuff. Certainly, dropping in Doge with the United States Digital Service, I guess it was kind of their way around this. But even still, they are not even playing in the court where you need to use Congress to create agencies, because they're shutting down agencies without Congress.

It's like they just don't care. And they're waiting to see if anyone's going to stop them, namely the courts, and if the courts do stop them, who's going to enforce the will of the court. And they're just fine doing that, because there's no consequence if they play that game anymore. They have immunity and pardon power. So they're giving it the shot, because they don't believe in the same, like

rules of decorum that like the Democrats TM, uh, typically do, you know, when Biden had that whole press conference after the, after the Supreme Court made the president to King, he's like, this is, this is a dark day for democracy. I w I, I hope that myself and any future president never, never uses this power. And you're like, okay, buddy, well, well, guess what the next one's going to do? Yeah. Do you want to use this power to solve that problem right now? You could.

You might as well try it out. You could. See how it fits. And now we're here. So I don't know. Like it's certainly like both myself and others underestimated, like, like specifically like Musk and like Doge's ability to actually enforce their recommendations. And I think Trump has been more of like, of like an absent executive figure than, than what's, you know, I would have

previously like suspected. He's kind of just letting Musk do whatever he wants. Right. I'm curious, like, I'm just trying to think of how the influence is working in the White House House because clearly Musk is in proximity to Trump enough that he's everywhere and he's He's the one like hey, let me talk over you in the oval. Let me talk over you during this like interview He's in the White House non-stop like he has right he has he has a yes This headquarter set up in a specific wing I can try to pull it up But no like he's he like has a headquarters there. He's living his own diet coke button, but for ketamine. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Yeah. Who knew that we could make ketamine not cool. I know. But I'm just like, just like thinking of like the latest sort of spat that's happening in Doge White House world, which is his like letter to be like, write down your five greatest hits or fucking leave email that he sent to all these federal workers. And then having many, many, uh, appointees like Trump appointees tell their sort of subordinates, just please fucking ignore what you just saw. Like we're talking about DOD, uh, like, you know, uh, classified information for email department of energy, Health and Human Services, DHS.

Like, they're all like, dude, please fucking ignore this. This isn't Twitter. Like, you can't like this. The different rules apply. Right. So I'm curious because clearly Musk thinks none of those rules apply. But then you have the people who are a little bit more sort of of the wonky machinery of DC, who are also trying to ascend

to power via project 2025 or whatever. Yeah. That do you see like a certain wing having any more influence? Because I feel like clearly Musk helped Trump. Trump feels indebted to Musk. Therefore he's like, let it cook. But then project 2025 is like the way that he's like, we're going to get a bunch of conservatives on board if you promise to do X, Y, and Z. But at times it seems like they're, they can slightly be at odds at times within terms of how they want to move forward with that. Do you see one having more of an advantage over the other right now in terms of how you're seeing things sort of unfold?

I mean, I would say Musk kind of right now has more sway just through the sheer individual power Musk has, the types of connections he has to the tech world, the actual money and capital he has, the influence. And then, yeah, all of Musk's work to help get Trump elected. And I also think Trump has an internal barometer of who to respect, and it's only based on money. And so he has... Yeah, and how much you've succeeded in fucking other people over which musk is musk is good at like he's not a good inventor He's not a good engineer. He's good at fucking people

Yeah, and Trump like kind of respects that and and and also like Trump knows that musk can ever like usurp him as president Technically because he can't he can't run legally So inside he just has this shadow president aspect going on. But no, there is, you know, parts of like the heritage people might be a little bit annoyed at Musk's like, very oversized influence. There's been people like in the Trump admin or like the Trump orbit who have complained about Musk to press before. But I think in order to make any of the Project 2025 stuff work, you first need Musk to purge the government.

So they're letting him do it. Because also it's, as soon as they step too far, Musk is the easiest guy to cut out. Be like, all right, all right, this thing was bad. If you need someone to blame, we'll blame this rich weirdo from South Africa. It's very handy to keep him around. And they need him to like do the dirty chopping work.

And he's willing to do it. And he's demonstrated an ability to dismantle and detonate like large bureaucratic machines, whether that's SpaceX, Tesla, Twitter, and now the United States government. Right. And I guess to that end, right, because I know I get that usual Trump shit will be like, I will let this person cook until it's really untenable for me, and then I'll blame them and act like, I don't know, we got him out. I'm okay, though. But then I'm curious, if Musk is wielding

any more influence over Trump, that's going to make that difficult. Like then what happens when like that schism happens, if it happens? If it happens, right? Like I thought it would for a while. I just thought like Trump's not going to want to be around like Elon Musk's like autism, frankly, because like, you know, Trump's has a past of making fun of people and being very ableist. And I simply didn't think that he would be able to be in the same room as Musk for very long. But they have so clearly and openly closed ranks the past few weeks,

doing media appearances together, being like, we know people are wanting us to turn on each other, and we're not going to do that. So there is some awareness, at least from Musk and Trump, that people are rooting for them to get into a fight and they're intentionally having that not happen. Because right now it's benefiting both of them massively. What Elon's doing is allowing Trump to enact so many more things that otherwise he wouldn't be legally allowed to do

because the bureaucratic mechanisms of government are there as safeguards, not just Congress and not just the courts. Bureaucracy helped inhibit Trump from enacting a whole bunch of the more extreme aspects of his agenda in his first term. And now that there's this shared recognition of that, Trump is more than happy to let Elon Musk do the work to dismantle those roadblocks to then have Trump embrace like total executive power. You mentioned the idea of, you know, we're all waiting to see if the courts hold,

right? And I'm just the, for that to happen, like, obviously we need judges to, you know, strike things down or say, Hey, that's not legal. Here's a temporary restraining order. Yeah. Right. And then we need the Trump administration and Elon Musk and everybody to actually respect that. I guess I'm wondering like what you mentioned, like how the will of the

courts will be enforced, like what. What would that look like? Like a conflict between them choosing not to respect the will of the courts and the courts having to try to enforce their will. Like what would that look like in the modern world? I mean, this is the big question right now. I'm like, I am not a constitutional law professor. I only talk to them to get their thoughts. And this is the big thing, right?

It's what if the court issues are ruling and Trump just says, LOL, no, thank you. And they keep on doing what they are doing, which like that has happened. That has been happening. There is still grants and funding that has not resumed. They have continued to reiterate that they have the power to limit USAID funding, even though they've been ordered by the court to restore it. It's like they are actively defying the court's orders, increasingly so, and becoming more brazen about, you know, using rhetoric regarding like, if a judge is ordering something illegal, you just don't need to

follow the judge, which is like, you know, massive constitutional red flag. And what will it take? Right. Like they're going to appeal these orders all the way up to the Supreme Court, probably as far as they can. The fact that they're defying the orders during this process is itself like new and bad. Like you're not supposed to do that either. but like no one is going to physically stop them. Like who is going to actually stop them from doing that?

And at a certain point, if the Supreme Court rules that Trump is in contempt and, you know, who will stop that? Like, are they going to like, do you think the U.S. Marshals are going to arrest the president, the president that has Supreme Court approved immunity for official actions? Like, who will actually carry out like any any order to that that is revolving around like Trump being in contempt of court for just actively like defying the the authority of the judicial branch? Will secret service let that happen? Will the private military contractors that Trump has surrounded himself with,

thanks to Elon Musk, will they let Marshals even carry out that order? Will the Marshals want to do that themselves? Will more and more agencies in local law enforcement and federal be roped under the FPS, the Federal Protective Service? More of these could get put under the control of Pete Hague's death directly. And at this point, it's like it's like a militant. That would be like that would be like a military assisted coup where they're like cooing the judiciary as they've kind of already cooed Congress.

Right. So this is this is the big thing that like. We are waiting to see what will happen. And like I can't say for sure, because I'm not familiar in any situation quite like this in American history. Yeah. Like it's very weird and frightening. And like for me, it's weird to be like, I'm thinking about like every day, like we are like in the middle of like an actual coup of the United States.

Like people are doing these steps and coups can happen internally. Like this is a real thing that is happening. And most people, at least like interact with outside and just like don't realize this, they just like don't know the severity of like what has happened. And this isn't like being like hyperbolic or anything. It's like this is like literally what is what is going on right now. Like if if you have the executive branch bypass and deny both the legislative and the judicial branches, like that is like actual like people throw around the word fascist way too much and they have for

the past like eight years. And like this, this you don't even need to use that word. Like they're trying to basically install like a monarchy. And like that is that is the language that Trump is using. He is he is referred to himself as a king in like the past week. Right. Yeah. What do you think the chances are we have another presidential election like in twenty twenty eight? I part. I personally and I have like friends and like analysts who are like, I respect who might even disagree with me on this, we might have a different opinion.

I think there probably will be a presidential election. It may look different, it may operate different, like the mechanisms of securing votes and people's access to voting may be very different, right? If you need to provide like proof of citizenship at every polling station, and they deny people's proof of citizenship because you're a trans person with an old passport that has a different gender marker. So now that you're now they're not going to be now they're not going to accept your vote. Right. There's a whole bunch of things that could alter the way an election takes place. I think that there probably will be a presidential election, but I don't know, man. I'm trying to survive day by day. Like it's a new situation and it's very freaky. I mean, like the last time I get like the more famous example that people point to is Andrew Jackson being like, yeah, the Supreme Court says I can't just move like Native American. Like, I'll do whatever I want.

Now, let me see them trying to force this shit. And that was all bad. Yeah, it gave us that is the closest mirror we have. And like, you have someone like Vance who is openly using that rhetoric. Yeah, exactly. Like openly saying, if the courts do that, have the president go out and say, all right, let them enforce it. Try, try me.

Yeah, yeah. And it's all like, yeah, it's very, very disorienting. And I think that's like the one thing that I see a clip that came up recently is one of like Russell Vought, who's, you know, one of the architects of project 2025, who's now the head of office of management and budget OMB saying like prior to the election, that the whole goal with all of these cuts that they're making and is, is basically a terror campaign against the administrative state.

And I want to play his words because when you hear it from them, like it's clear that this is, this is what they've talked about being phase one of how they are going to make this transition to full blown, you know, autocracy or whatever, modern, new American monarchy, uh, with gut, with King God Trump at the top. But this is Russell Vought again,

talking about this is what we need to do to get this stuff over the line. We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. We want, when they woke up in the morning, we want them to not wanna go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can't do all of the rules

against our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do so. We wanna put them in trauma. Yeah. Can't do all of the rules. The EPA can't do their rules on our energy industry. I mean, that's like what's also infuriating is that this guy has the most coward energy ever as they talk about like his fantasy here, but now they are at the wheel here and they

are pretty much acting as if they're doing it. They frankly have done it. Like there was an executive order issued last week that Trump basically said that he has the authority to like rescind regulations that he deems are like illegal. Which means that you are giving, Trump is saying that the executive branch has the power to interpret law, to make rescind and interpret law, not just enact it, which is what constitutionally like you're supposed to do is you're supposed to enact a law, right? He's saying like, you can actually rescind these laws,

something that is supposed to be what Congress does. Like it's seizing complete executive power. Like it is some form of like, yeah, like an oligarchic monarchy combination. Like it's very, it's similar to like Hungary, similar to how the Soviet bloc fell apart. You can look at some like Hungary, similar to to how the Soviet bloc fell apart. You can look at some like parallels. But this is also like I don't want to overly rely on historical parallels

because this is like also like deeply American. This is deeply 21st century. It has to do with like the Internet. It has to do with like tech agents like it has to do with like big tech misinformation, disinformation, reality tunneling like Like it's so modern and it's so American that I hesitate to like overly prescribe historical analog. Yeah, I mean, that's the most we can do is just to kind of look back and like, it's kind of like this, but nothing really is a one-to-one thing. Because there's no Twitter, there's no, you know, all this misinformation that's around people.

Like, and to your point, it's not, it's we can't quite relate it like a one to one thing. It's so unique that I think in 30 years, we will refer to what's happening right now as like, that's what like America did in the 2020s. Like, it's just so seismic that like, we already kind of relate, like refer to, you know, like the Reagan deregulation like era of the 80s, right? That's kind of a thing that we like conceptualize as this is so much more than that, like already. And it's just starting. We're like, what, like a month in?

Right. Like, it's like the fundamental fabric of our country has been severely altered. Like the country that you knew like two months ago, it's gone. Then the way that it operates, the types of checks and balances it has, the services it provides, that government no longer exists. Like this is a different government now.

And it feels weird to like think about that and then watch everyone just kind of carry on, looking at the little black box in their hand. Are you surprised, I guess, that like the New York Times, The Washington Post, these traditional mainstream media outlets are kind of taking it in stride? They're not saying the thing that this is a coup of the US government, or at least they're not consistently saying that. It's just kind of one thing at a time. They're dipping their toes into it sometimes. It depends who the journalist is, depends who the writer is.

But but no, like I think, frankly, people are looking to survive. Like like like worst case scenario, how can I get out of this? OK, if this like if this like continues to fundamentally be a different country, like like that's that's what that's why Jeff Bezos rescinded the Kamala endorsement for the Washington Post. Like you are seeing like Big Tech, whether it's, you know, Tim Apple, whether it's Mark Zuckerberg, whether it's Jeff Bezos, the guy at Google who I forget his name, who like they have they have people who have historically provided a degree of resistance to some of the, you know, the crazy Trump stuff.

They are all closing ranks. They're like, we we are one class now. And as long as we will look out for each other now, we'll look out for you, Trump, if you look out for us and like they are they're not playing the same game that people played in 2017. Like it's there is no hashtag resistance right now. There is like there is like survival. And like that, I guess that's's the big thing that I'm seeing,

is people are trying to survive in case things go really, really bad. Yeah, for those billionaires, it's clear, rather than bail water on the sinking ship, they're just being like, where's my lifeboat? Because I'm not going to fucking help this thing. I'm getting the fuck out of this. Let's take a quick break and come back and we'll talk about that. Uplifting. There we go from here.

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And we're back. We're back. How's that cut you off? You were going to ask. No, no, no. I guess, you know, we're talking. So now, you know, people are in survival mode. We are, people are being completely, they're experiencing the destabilization process of this regime and it's doing what's, you know, they're experiencing the destabilization process of this regime

and it's doing what's, you know, they're acting on their intended goals. And when you look and you're like, well, what's the opposition? Where is the opposition? We're not seeing much from Democrats. And this latest quote, and I referenced it on yesterday's episode from James Carville, is currently just basically he is convinced because he is so in tune with everything. He says the GOP is about to collapse in four to six weeks. Democrats just need to play possum and they'll be picking at the pieces real easy like because

they will have imploded. There will be an implosion and And he is really, I think, all in on this thinking of America like 29 years ago, you know, basically, and thinking that this is going to play out in that way. But I'm guessing from your conversations, like with constitutional lawyers and just generally over time with activists who have stood up against these sort of like very authoritarian moves from a government. Do you see this strategy playing out at all? Or is this pure, like you said, just- Do I think the GOP will collapse in four weeks?

Yeah, and then the Democrats can just pick up the pieces, right? I don't know. No, that's fucking crazy. They're at their most powerful that any party has ever been. They're doing a victory lap. They have the cultural victory. They've, they've, they've completely won. No, like, like it's absolutely not. That's like, that's, that's pure copium. Um, it's frightening to know that this is someone, I mean, granted, most people,

the he's people listen to him from time to time, but he's not the most influential voice, but it does not the most influential voice. But it does feel like indicative of generally how the Democratic Party got us here to begin with, which is sort of like, any minute now, any minute now. Yeah. They're the one who's flailing. Like they have completely collapsed. They tried to do like a weird both sides ofism campaign last year. That didn't work. Now they have no idea what to do. They don't know how to talk to people. They're just very off putting and smarmy. And no, like it's they've I think in order to see any type of like resistance from an opposition party, the actual like, like organizational mechanisms of the Democratic

Party needs to be like completely dismantled and like reformed. Like I, I, whatever advisors they have, they have had working for them for the past eight years need to go in a whole far away. And we need to try something new because this hasn't worked. Right. Like I, I, I don't, I have no idea. I think some of them are trying to buy time for the midterms, like thinking that the midterms will just go out, you know, and everything will be fine. People will be sick of like the Trump busyness and then we'll like retake Congress. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll make everything right. And like, for people that I know, like we don't have that time.

Like people's lives are being affected right now. Like not just people, not just like a massive amount of the federal workforce losing their jobs, but the insane amount of racism that's being normalized and codified right now. Transphobia, the anti-immigrant sentiments that have been so normalized, including under President Biden. We don't have two years. Like, things are happening like right now. Like, my brain is so far away from the midterms at this point. Yeah. Well, that does feel like such a coping strategy too, because you're also assuming that the norms are still existing

where it's like, well, what will happen is they're going to have too much dip on their chip. Then the voters will be like, ah, ah, ah, and then they go, oh, we better dial it back or else they're not going to like us anymore. But all of their moves, I mean, like even on Fox News, the way they're even talking now, I just want to play a clip from like Fox or maybe

I'm going to play it, but Brian Kilmeade was essentially saying because there are all these town halls where constituents were yelling at these Republican members of Congress, like in deeply red districts, like very safe red districts. Otherwise, they wouldn't have even tried to have a town hall. But Brian Kilmeade is like, you know, they have people going up there saying like, oh, I lost my job because of the Doge stuff or whatever.

And maybe, you know, this is just part. And even if they did vote for Trump, this is going to be part of trying to close that deficit. And this is just kind of what's going to have to happen for America to get back on track. And now they are trying to sell this back to the people as being like, yeah, the way you're going to win is by losing everything. And that's what we, I, hopefully you can internalize that.

I don't know how well that's going because there is one thing Americans are. They do feel entitled to a certain quality of life and certain, you know, especially like white, those upper middle class MAGA voters who tend to be the loudest. But I just don't know. That's where I see that kind of stuff and go, I don't even know if they're even interested in elections

because their strategy seems like whatever, fuck them if they think they're going to vote against us. We're not going anywhere. It seems to be the energy which also very much is alarming for me to see. Your pain is just weakness leaving the body. You know, we're just getting strong as a nation. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. All right. Well, should we do some less depressing non-political content real quick here at the end or the Oscar race? Oh, don't get me started. Award season guys. So one of the biggest criticisms of the Oscars other than over long running time and general pointlessness is how predictable they've become like going in.

People usually have an idea. It's like between two movies, essentially. And usually that's like best case scenario. This year, it seemed like Emilia Perez would win. And that shit's not going to happen now, thanks to... Great award campaign that they went on. PR campaign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shocking. It's not shocking because it is very Oscar-baity, like, for like liberals who want to feel good, like, all of the Green Book. But come on, guys.

Yeah. The first thought, best thought. That's, they spent five minutes thinking about the idea of trans people and wrote a movie about it. An extremely transphobic movie. Yes, exactly. And racist. Yes. So, Anora won the PGA award two weeks ago, and everyone was like, all right, it's a lot.

So these are all, like, Producer Guild, SAG-AFTRA, like BAFTA, these are all a lot of overlap. I'm a WGA member, I'll say. OK. So I'm a WGA. So these are all groups that also vote on the Academy Awards. So you're kind of getting a picture of who these people's favorite movies are, or what these people's favorite movies are, how they're going to vote.

So Producers Guild, a Nora one. Then last night, Conclave, or on Sunday night, Conclave won Screen Actor Guild Award. So that which nobody really saw coming and it also won the BAFTA. Now it seems like that might win. There's some amount of like brutalist. I thought Conclave was a good time at the movies personally, but I also really liked Inora. I've enjoyed a lot of these.

I have not seen the Bob Dylan one, but that was another upset victory. Timothy Chalamet won the Screen Actors Guild Award for playing Bob Dylan in A Complete Unknown instead of Adrian Brody for The Brutalist who had been winning all the other ones. It makes sense that the SAG awards were like, no, we're not going to give this to you, Adrian. Nice try, buddy. Yeah.

Wait, why does it make sense? I actually- Oh, because of the AI accent work that Dunham filmed. I can, like, screen actors specifically are going to be like, come on, man. Yeah, yeah. His accent was helpedfully, it was helped along on its way. Enhanced. Enhanced. AI enhanced. Enhanced.

So Chalamet got up all leather, gave a weird earnest speech about how he wants to be one of the greats. Also shaded the biopic genre, which is what he was winning for. He called it tired. He said he wanted to thank the entire cast who, in the genre doing a biopic that could be perhaps tired, gave it their all.

Gave it their all is such a wild play. I can see what he's saying there in terms of like, the music. I am tired of kind of low quality music biopics that keep coming every year. And if there's a team that's trying to make one but like, but good actually, like I can kind of see what he's saying. Because I... What if this was good? Yeah, like, yeah.

The filmmaker who made his also made, not walk hard, Walk the Line, which is I think the quintessential biopic that when people are like, this is getting tired, they're thinking of Walk the Line and Ray probably as the two movies that are just the most down the middle biopic. It's interesting that he called out the cast while talking about a genre that the director of the movie kind of helped put

where it currently is in terms of tiredness. But this is the line from a speech that really got me. Hold on, let's play it. I think we should hear it in his words because I think it's a little bit more. Yeah, let me put this up here. Here's the end, his ending to this speech, you know, he, you know, shouted out to everybody in the film, but then he sort of also just wanted to say a little something for himself to let people know how Timothy Shallam may have used his career.

So I'm deeply grateful to them. And lastly, I can't downplay the significance of this award, because it means the most to me. And I know we're in a subjective business but the truth is I'm really in pursuit of greatness. I know people don't usually talk like that but I want to be one of the greats. I'm inspired by the greats. I'm inspired by the greats here tonight. I'm as inspired by Daniel Day-Lewis, Marlon Brando and Viola Davis as I am by Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps and I want to be up there so I'm deeply grateful to that. This doesn't signify that, but it's a little more fuel.

It's a little more ammo to keep going. Thank you so much. This doesn't signify. He goes, I mean, this off this ain't it. It's only a say award. Like, come on, guys. All I'm saying is I'm on my way. You know, you got to play in the CBA on your way to the NBA.

You know what I mean? It's so funny that he was like, guys, I think you're like as cool as Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps. It's just like you're trying to explain that to a 10 year old. It's so fucking funny. I love it. You guys are like my Michael Jordan. Like I'm, I guess I'm kind of a weirdo, but I'm into acting.

So you're on the level with people who are like, what? That's an insult to compare me to Michael Phelps, the swimmer? You just compare Marlon Brando to Michael Phelps, the swimmer? Marlon Brando is the Michael Phelps of acting in many ways. Garrison, how far off is Timothy Chalamet from being one of the greats do you think i think he's actually well on his way um i've been interested in uh uh like tom cruises like comments to timothy but like you know you should learn all these various like skills because people when you get cast in films like they are not they're not they're not going to teach you

to sword fight well. So you should learn how to do that. You should learn how to base drum. You should learn how to do all of these things if you want to be in this for your life. I think he's actually very sincere there and wants to actually be a generational talent. I think, yeah, it is a little silly,

but I'm low key in his camp here. I can understand the urge to be like one of the best at what you do, because otherwise, like, what's the point? And like, this is an aspect of people who get to that level of like their artistry. That, I know, it's maybe a little bit cringy. It's maybe a little bit disconnected from from the reality of everyday life for people. But I get it. I think there's something to... Just generally though, too, it's hard.

Most people wouldn't announce their intention with what they're doing with their career because of just the massive fear of failure and also be like, what do you think? You're better than us? Because you're saying this stuff. But also, I think anyone who has to do anything that requires self belief, like you have to tell yourself these things or else it's not going to happen. Like you like not to be like, I'm gonna be like, no, like it is like, yeah.

But you have to, but you have to back yourself like without that kind of confidence, it's not, it's not going to happen, but it's just funny though, too. To be like, you know, I want it like the MJ of acting You know what? I mean the Phelps of acting. I'm like, yes, Timothy just now let's let's see that Michael Phelps biopic For him as Michael Jordan, we'll see we'll see Well now that Trump won the election That might be coming back. They're like they're gonna say who's to say a black guy has to play Michael Jordan in the Michael Jordan pile pic? I think that's woke.

It would be DEI casting. He should have a full head of hair. Yeah. I, yeah. I like, I'm trying to think of where the Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps. They like, I don't, the only thing I care. Like I, I think it's yes, noteworthy for him to be like, I know this is cringe, I want to be great.

I'm going to like unabashedly pursue this and not be like, whatever, an award, it doesn't matter. But why did he, why was he like, it's almost like Michael Jordan to Michael, like not quite Michael Jordan. I'm as inspired by Daniel Day Lewis, Marlon Brando, Viola Davis, as I am by Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps.

Because he has had a little run here where he went on ESPN shows, and was revealed himself to be a bit of a sports guy, to know he knows sports. See, and that's who I am now to the point that in my award speeches, I need to be aiming for people who listen to the ringer podcasts, like I have to combine sports and pop culture to, to make sense of this to people, or maybe he's just being earnest, maybe he's just like, I mean, my real heroes are Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps.

I think that's the thing. It's like he's being like, dude, I really like sports too. I'm also drawing inspiration from that. I think it's just so funny because it's funny because it's different than you would never hear those names evoked in the context. I feel like artists think of

other artists as being the people they strive for. Or he's like, I want to be like that MJ poster. And you're like, that's related. We all want to be the MJ. He dumped from the free throw line. Like Adrian Brody already looked heartbroken to be losing. Like when he went up, he like seemed like he was like, what? And then to have him go up there and be like, dang, Adrian, you're like the Charles Barkley of this shit.

It's just so, I can't imagine what was going through his mind. Adrian Brody doesn't know who Michael Phelps is. He's probably smoked weed with him after he put that Rasta wig on on that one SNL bit. Yeah. But the Rasta wig,, on that one SNL bit. Yeah. But the Rasta wig. Great moments in popular culture. I loved that the SNL 50 shouted that out. They have repeated use of blackface, but then they had to censor everything.

They're like, oh, look, y'all, we know we're trying to own it, but we can't really reshame ourselves because it's pretty fucked up. Yeah. Well, it's good. I, Garrison, I'm glad you are supportive of your peer, maybe slightly elder. I don't know. Definitely. I mean, as at the very least, Timothy is a former member of the Twink Council.

So there is a still a degree of solidarity here. He's still pretty Twinkie. Yeah. That I do have to bestow onto him as a former member. Yeah. There you go. Well, Garrison Davis, what a pleasure having you on the podcast as always. Where can people find you, follow you, read you, hear you, all that good stuff? Well, my show is It Could Happen Here that I'm on some episodes of because we release five episodes a week, happen here that I'm on some episodes of because we release five episodes a week

including a new weekly kind of news roundup series on Fridays called executive disorder. So that's where I can be heard. You can read my work at shatterzone.substack.com and you can find me on bluesky and and X the everything app at Hungry Bowtie. I do appreciate that you refer to it by its proper name. X the everything app at hungry bow tie. I do appreciate that you refer to it, but it's proper name. X the everything app. I don't I don't believe I don't believe in dead naming, you know, I got that. Yeah, that's right.

Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? There's a really good article by a writer I like on CC Helmet Girl, which is the substack. She did a really good article last week, kind of covering, it's like trans cultural issues, I guess, and kind of a break from the depressing news regarding the loss of our rights. But it was a very good article on like the cultural, on the cultural front, I guess. I enjoyed reading. I've been trying to read more.

I've been trying to read more, I guess. Couldn't be me. That's great. Something to aspire to. That sounds awesome. We will link off to that article in the footnote. Miles, where can people find you as their work of media you've been enjoying? Yeah, find me. We're everywhere where they have ad symbols at miles of gray.

G-R-A-Y, find Jack and I on the basketball podcast. Miles and Jack on Matt Boosties. Tune in for the latest episode of 420 Day Fiancé where Sophia and I talk about season 11 episode 1 of 90 Day Fiancé. Wow. Wacky. We got a throuple in there now. International throuple. And it's messy.

Shout out to Lionel. uh, work of media. I like, let's see there. It's more just again, how Twitter or X the everything app. It's alive. It's not dead. I don't care what anyone says. I tweeted this in November 12th of 2020, right after the 2020 election as a joke, right?

Or everyone is talking about how the Trump campaign was filing lawsuits to stop the steal. I said, breaking. Judge Marilyn Millian has told the Trump campaign to quote, get the fuck out of here after unsuccessfully filing a lawsuit in the people's court to stop absentee ballot counting. I just got a reply from this like a few weeks ago

from a total fucking fake bot, Barbara Crawford at Barbara one four eight seven five five five like garbled numbers. Doxed. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Going to do it.

And it just said, not loo, not loving her now. Dem not watching anymore. Years after this, I'm like, could you be more of a fake thing? And then someone else just replied to it. It's all very, very confusing. So shout out to that app for just being the source of all kinds of entertainment and information, it turns out. Yeah, that's where you'll find me.

And that's what I like. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore Brian on blue sky at Jack OB the number one. Working media I've been enjoying is from the Pelicans film room, at Pels film room on Twitter. Number 11 just put on the greatest baby crawl race performance you'll ever see.

It's like one of those halftime events where they do a bunch of babies. The mom or something or the parent? Yeah, they crawl from mom to dad and this baby just motors. But it's interesting, I wanna link off to it because it's interesting, everybody has their technique. They're lifting the baby up, putting it down,

lifting the baby up, putting it down. It's like they're winding a car up or something. There's a technique for getting your baby going. Anyways, it is an incredible feat. And as the baby crosses the finish line, there's a mom right next to the baby that like you can see physically being deflated by how badly her baby just got his ass kicked. Anyways, you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on

Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. So what is a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles? Is there a song you think people might enjoy? Yeah, the icon, Roberta Flack, actually passed away Monday. She was battling ALS uh 88 years old some people i think the easiest thing to connect Roberta Flack to probably in most people's minds is Killing Me Softly that is a Roberta Flack

track so let's go out on that one this is Killing Me Softly with his song by Roberta Flack uh yeah i think just a seminal artist uh and yeah, everybody bumps some Roberta Flack today. Bumps some Flack. All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts from iHeartRadio. Visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning.

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