The Daily Zeitgeist - Don’t Get The Right Impression, MAGA Halftime “Show” 01.13.26

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

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James, what's going on, man? No much. Yeah, I'm doing well. How are you guys? Looking good, man. Look at the hair getting longer. You and your Forrest Gump, baby? Yeah, man.

I'm just not getting a haircut. It's done it very nicely by itself. God damn, bro. I felt like your hair was like way shorter or less. Your hair, you got wonderful hair, man. What those follicles do? What those follicles do, James? I work hard at it, man.

Once a year, whether I need it or not and get a haircut. Yeah. When's your annual haircut? Right before it gets hot, you know? Like you want to do it in April, May, and then you're good through the summer, and then it keeps you warm through the winter, and then... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got a couple months left.

Yeah, you're going to be looking like fucking hosier out here, man. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. I tie it up, you know, once you get to a point, you've got to tie it up. Yeah, we're right on the cusp of having to do a man bun right now. Oof. Don't do it, man. Let those flux. Let it.

I like to let it ride as long as I can. It's good when you're running. It feels like a cake. Yeah, put a couple of beads in there. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Get a problematic hair braid. I was going to say.

Yeah, you're doing it all, it. It's rasta colors. Oh, okay, yeah. I was kind of picking that on. Yeah, red is for the blood. Black is for the people. You're like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, that's what we're talking about, buddy.

The ones who did the, the ones who did the braid for, me. The one who did the brain for I. Hold on, man. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. A decade ago,

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It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness through the day's news. We also have a weekly history version where we look at a different icon. We've done Miss Piggy with Jamie Loftus, Arnold Schwarzenegger with Gabris. And we just did Elvis Presley with one Chris Crofton that dropped yesterday. Yeah. Go check that out. Dude, Chris sent me so many videos after we recorded that. Elvis videos.

I didn't get to it. This is this other Memphis Mafia video, dude. You got us. Oh my God. They are, they are wild. True to true. Like, I was like, these people are mental. What the fuck?

The karate displays by Elvis are some of the best videos that I've ever seen of anyone. It's truly Steven Segal-esque. Yeah. Where, like, there's people, like, throwing punches into his midsection, but, like, pulling the, like, visibly pulling the punches. And Elvis is just acting. Like, he's just standing there. He's like, yeah. Yeah.

More. More. God. Or as I say, Motto in Japanese. I really wish he had just gotten into a real fight at one point and just had his whole world rocked. I mean, that's when you meet, bro, when you reach the, I'm doing like a displays of physical power, but everyone is a paid actor to help me feel good about yourself. You're cooked, you're washed. You are the bad guy now.

Yeah. Turns out. But you can look for the. episodes on Monday or go back through their evergreen. That one came out though. That one's out though. That one's out though. That one is out. Currently it's Tuesday, January 13th, 2026. Tuesday. It's National Rubber Ducky Day and also Korean American Day. Hey, in the air. Hey. Shout out everybody from everywhere in this place called hell. But however, Korean Americans,

it's your day today. Congratulations to my Korean American friends. Yeah. My name is Jack O'Brien, aka, Look at that guy. He's rolling down that hill. Just trying to get some food. Yeah, that guy is Jay Leno. That one courtesy of First Blood 522,

little Colplay yellow, Jay Leno. How soon we forget about the good stories. Like when Jay Leno showed up, ass fully beat in public. And his excuse was that he tried to go to a restaurant next to his hotel, but it was down a hill and he just like fell and landed on his face like just at every trip. Yeah. He just like tumbled and landed on his face 15 times in a row.

Might have been the mob. I don't know. We're still looking into it. The black eye cult or whatever that's called. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host. Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, it's Miles Gray, aka the Shogun with No Gun, the Lord of Lancashem. Just, you know, just hanging out, doing my thing.

I wish I had another AKA, but in the existential dread that was this morning, I failed to search the Discord for AKA. But I will find one because I just saw some, finally someone did a Jesse's girl, a.k.a. because of the news of how I told my child that a picture of Jesus is actually called Jesse. Oh, yeah. As Jesus is known in this home, as just that dude, Jesse. And Jesse's everywhere.

But yeah. I guess the nuns. Nuns would be Jesse's girls. Mary Magdalene? Mary Magdalene? You never know. You never know. Depends on where you look at it from.

And anybody wearing one of those promise rings, you know, Jesse's girl. Oh, you want a Jesse's girl. He starts saying that shit older. I'm like, what are you talking about? I know the type. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a journalist and historian from Cool Zone Media, who, you know, from his reporting. It could have happened here.

He's reported for Esquire, Nat Geo, the nation, Slate, among many others. And his new book is now available for pre-order. It's called Against the State Anarchists and Comrades at Warren Spamianmar and Rojava. Please welcome James Stowell. James. Wow, that was a great intro. I'm really feel better about myself now. Oh, no, you're, I mean, look, your reputation precedes you, man.

James, what a weird subject to cover in this American moment. Yeah, no. I want to be, I pitched his book in like 2022. So here we are, right? Yeah, I know, nearly four years later. But yeah. Amazing buzz marketing by the trouble ministry for viral marketing. You got an in, a DHS or something, man?

Absolutely not. More as a pity. I have not interacted with DHS in any way, apart from the ways that everyone else has, which is, you know, them shouting at me deploying chemical irritants, etc. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they love to do that. They do. It's really hot with them right now.

Yeah. We're passionate about chemistry, you know? Yeah, sure, vapors, smokes, particles. Yeah, yeah. I think Greg Abbott was, like, recently saying something about, like, just with, like, glee talking about all the pepper balls that were being, like, fired at protesters. Like, hmm. Cool.

Yeah. Very unpleasant and pepper bowl. But, I mean, I have to assume that they're recruiting a lot of, you know, chemical engineers, people like that, and to be like, interested in chemistry? So are we. Yeah, there you go. Come on through.

Welcome. Or maybe not. Yeah, I don't think they are, man. I think they're recruiting in other areas. Yeah. If anything, they're finding more. Yeah. Or like genetic, like amateur geneticists.

Yeah, that's probably. Yeah, I'm kind of into like phenotypes and stuff, DNA. Have thoughts about skull shape? Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Drew. They got some caliper guys who are. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Well, James, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things. We're talking about on today's episode, we're going to talk about the, the Trump administrations continued attempt at, I was going to say damage control, but you can't really call a damage control because they're, like, they're doing this while releasing Hitler quote posters from the Department of Labor. So they're trying to control the narrative by putting it in an illegal chokehold, I think is probably the best way to describe what they're doing.

We'll talk about Christy Knoem on CNN and just other attempts from them to put what happened last week in Minneapolis in context. And we'll, of course, talk about the upcoming, you know, the NFL playoffs kicked off over the weekend, which to me just means that we're one step closer to. that turning point USA half-time show. Yeah. So we're going to see what the latest is on that. And then we'll also talk about Sauron's first week in office and what he's up to. All of that, plenty more. But first, James, we do like to ask our guests.

What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I was thinking about this. First of all, I don't think you should use a search engine that keeps history in 2026. In this current American moment. But I looked at some shit I searched. I've been buying some really niche tomato seeds recently. Oh. No wonder you're on the love. Right.

Yeah, you want to keep it on the DL. Yeah. Wait. Neathean tomato seeds sounds so funny to me, but also, hold on. What is a niche tomato seed to begin with? You've got your mainstream tomatoes, right? Where you go to the garden center, you get your tomato. It's red, crown, too cherry, whatever.

Yeah. I'm thinking of the ones I know. I know cherry. I know vine ripent. That's not a variety to me. Yeah. Roma. Roma.

Roma, of course. Roma. Yeah, yeah. Roma. An heirloom? Yep. So, air loom is what I was assuming we were talking when we get to the world of niche tomato.

Yeah. When I was a little younger, I worked in a tomato growing facility. So I've been exposed to a lot of types of tomatoes. Yeah, man, you want a shit job. going work growing tomatoes. I was just marveling of the way you say tomato. It's the one I ride for the American accent. I'm like, it's not that much better.

The British accent is that much better. But you guys, you got our ass on tomato. It's much better. We've had a few else over the years. Same. Same. Same. We're condensing.

We're trying to condense all of ours into a real commutuous 20 years. That really takes the focus. Oh, yeah, okay. So under the heirloom umbrella. Under the heirloom umbrella, yeah, but then you're more niche types, right? Like, this one I like called orange strawberry. I've been growing that one, not actually a strawberries. James.

I was going to say, yeah. I got to say, my man. Those are fruits. That is a tool. Tomato is a fruit, right? Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay.

So you got me there. So are you saying niche tomato, boom. Are you just talking about oranges and strawberries? I actually think of them as tomatoes. I think a lot of people didn't have frames of reference back in the day. They either call it that or they just call it like after their friend. Paul Robeson is the other tomato I've been ordering. Paul Robeson.

Yeah, like the guy, like they went to the Spanish Civil War, the poet. Yeah, wait, and he has a tomato named after him. He does, yeah. I thought that was sweet, you know. Like, I thought it was like somebody, somebody like created this, this tomato variety, right? They went to the greenhouse. It did the work. And they were like, what am I going to call it?

I'm not going to call it off to myself. I respect this dude. Right. Then he gives this tomato to his legacy. And I thought that was nice. So would a, would a momotaro tomato also be considered one of those niche tomatoes or is that mainstream still? I know that is.

Oh, that's a Japanese, like, hybrid tomato that I see like farmer at farmers markets too. Yeah. Yeah. I think if it's a farmer's market only thing. If it's not cracked like supermarket, that's niche. It's when you can't buy them as plants, when you have to buy them as seeds. That's when you know you're really deep in like. Is it illegal to get the seeds from abroad?

Like it's all above board. I'm getting them inside the US. It might be illegal. You do sign that form, right? Do you have any seeds, fruit, vegetables? Not that I know of. Right. Yeah, when you come back into the US, they're like, what's your meat situation.

That's what I say. I say not that I know of. Meanwhile, my whole jacket, my whole jacket is made of tomato seeds. Smart. Yeah. It's like, it's like one of those bird feeders. All stuck together seeds. There's Lodge.

You've covered yourself in Lard and then rolled into my shoes. Yeah. It's a shit ton of birds also. You're covered in the birds, man. I don't know, man. These aren't my birds, man. Tell them. I don't want them with me.

Tell them to get out of here. They just, I attract. birds, man. Yeah. I don't know. So, and the more niche tomatoes, are we, are we dealing with different flavors? They have anything that approximates the cotton candy grape, which I loved when they were like, okay, yeah, this is a sweet fruit.

Can we make it candy, though? Like, do they have a pizza tomato? I bet they do. What, it's got like, almost pizza tomato built in and like a little cheese in the middle. Not that I'm aware of. You could grow them next to each other, though. You know, like, you know, in the same pot. You can do like a companion planting.

Yeah. With some basil as well, as you would say. Basil, yeah, I've got a good basil plant going. You can't do like, you know how you can do with citrus where you graft different citrus onto the same tree? And you can have like a, like a tuti-fruity tree. Never seen that done with. Wait, you can do that with a citro. God damn.

Yeah, yeah, man. You can have like a, I think they call them fruit salad trees. Oh. You get them grafted together. But that's not really possible. Cheese by the nature of it. It's coming from a different place. Yeah, my cheese plants have all failed.

Yeah, sad. Sad every day. No matter what brand I try. I take a baby bell cheese. I take it out of the wax and I bury it and I water it. What is something that you think is underrated? Underrated? I was thinking about this.

I think it's sock gifts. You know, like we just had Christmas, right? Or Hanukkah or Kwanter or whatever people are doing. They get gifts. And people always like rag on getting super. socks as a gift. Oh, sure,

sure, sure. I'm actually a high quality sock appreciator. Last year, I received a full, like, same size,

right, right size for my feet, but in different thicknesses of this sock brand. And it's great, man, because I can just adjust, you know,

get a bit warmer, get a bit colder, boots a little bit loose, I can go thicker sock. Great gift. I really, I love to use them all the time, you don't touch them every day.

I mean, you, I have to say, if I was going to trust someone's opinion on socks, it would be you, someone who runs a lot, who has traversed quite harrowing kinds of geography through the course of their journalistic career. Wait, what, like, so what's, like, what are we talking here?

Like, if you need a good sock, it's not, where we talk of marino wool, it's had to be wool. Okay, so, okay, it's got to be wool, or else we're not talking to James about socks. Okay, yeah. And then what's, okay, what's the next? Marina wool and alpaca wool, both pretty good. Okay, so these are like wool socks are nice because they keep, they say warm when they're wet, they get less funky, they get less smelly, and then they got to fit right, right there. Do you want me to name brands? No, no, I mean, if none of unless they're paying you, you know what I mean?

I'm just needed, I guess that was a big thing is because I always know people who are like, bro, you got to wear wool socks. Like all the people are serious about socks, like, what the fuck are you doing it for not wearing wool socks? Yeah, man. And then you've got to get the ones with a lifetime warranty. So you can wear them, you can wear them, you can wear them, you can wear them, they wear out. You send them back. They send you new socks. Oh, my God.

It's an investment. Man, I have, yeah, the way, the way I walk, like, I really use my big toe to, like, balance myself. That, like, I feel like I really wear out the big toe real quick. Okay, yeah, there go. You've got to get invest in some lifetime warranty socks, and you'll be socking forever. Well, the gas station I buy him at, the guy's always coming to get the fuck out when I show them. But whatever. I will invest in wool, yeah.

So wool socks, even, even, like, when you're playing sports, wool socks? Yeah, yeah, like thin ones. You know, we're not talking like thick, hairy, fluffy ones, right? Yeah, especially when I'm paying sports. Like, you know, I've run some ultramarathons and it's night because you're going to go through a river at one point or other, right? And then you want the sock that doesn't sort of get funky, get cold, get your feet cold. And I feel like wool does much better with that. Wow.

I am not going to be going through a river, by the way. You may be, but I will not be running a marathon through a river. If I come up on a river, you're like, ah, no, I'm going back to my bar. That's the end of the marathon. You've trained from months. This is my finish line. Jack, there's only like, there's only like 600 meters left. I don't know, man.

No one said anything about this river, dude. It's a puddle. The river's a gift, man. I remember I did a few years ago, a 200-mile bike race. It's a very hot, really hot day. And there was a river crossing. I just got off my bike, went in there, bathed. Yeah.

I felt great after that. Sat there for a while. It was wonderful. So, yeah. Embrace the river. The river by the is not good for bathing. I fell into one in Iceland. That was not an enjoyable experience.

That was very cold. Are you a cold plunge person? No, I don't do any of that. I mean, not consciously. I go in the sea and I live in San Diego, so it's cold quite a lot. It's cold right now. Yeah, but you're not doing the thing of like, I got to get into this body of ice water. Yeah.

No, I'm not Wimhoffing. Yeah, yeah. Not whim off. And how on the socks that go thick to thin, is the thinnest sock the equivalent of those little panty hose things that they put over your feet when you're trying on shoes? It's pretty thin, yeah. Maybe a smudge, maybe a smudge thicker than that.

I can't see through it yet. You can't see your toes. So you can't use it as a mask to rob a bank. Nope. Or you do an immigration rate or whatever you're doing. No, well, socks. not for eyes. What is something

you think is overrated? The song Fairytale of New York. Okay. By the Poges. I love the Pokes, right? I think Shane McGowan is a generational talent to objection to that song, right?

Has a homophobic slur. And expresses positive sentiments about NYPD. It does. The boys are the NYPD Blue. We don't need either of those. Rainy Night and Soho is a much better

Christmasy Pogue song, if you know that one. What is it? I don't know either of these songs. You haven't heard fairy tale in New York. Let me see. They've got as big as bars. They got rivers.

Perfect. That's all I got. No, I don't know this. I don't know this. Really? Wow. Well, you got to fund YouTube half hour after we're done. I mean, what's Shane McGowan singing get?

Because his ability to turn up absolutely, think of a broadcast word, he's off his face, he's drunk. Shiv-Fist. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Rattas, is the word I was going to use. And audibly so. Yeah, well, he's going to drink in one hand.

Yeah. He's got a cigarette in the other. Yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Is there a specific performance I should watch for the ratassery? Oh, most of them. Yeah.

Okay. If you had asked the opposite question, is there a performance where he's sober? Yeah. Right, right, right. Oh, okay. Is that, was that, so the, is that kind of the legend of this group is just sort of him as frontman and his antics? Or there's more to the, I mean, I've heard that name of the band, but I don't, I'm completely ignorant as to like what their work is. Like Irish folk punk, I would say.

They have some really great songs. I think they've done good things in, like, documenting Irish folk music and I struggle of Irish people being colonized by British people. Yeah. And, yeah, they're a good band. I like the Pokes a lot. Everyone should listen to the Pokes if they haven't. But that song, I feel like, it's like how everyone likes rock the Casbah, but it's a worst clash song. Right, right, right, right.

Okay, it's a similar, similar feeling I have. I see, I see, got it. All right. Let's take a quick break while Miles watches a bunch of Pogue's videos. And we'll be right back. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there.

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check and mate. We got the video from the shooter's perspective. And I think you're going to see some shit here that's going to change your mind. And it was like worse. It was worse than the other angle. Yeah. Yeah. It's just one of my colleagues mentioned this when we were talking about it, like in our work chat.

it is the sort of thing that your lawyer would fight to keep out of disclosure in court, right? And this person, they just tweeted it. They just put it out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a lot of thought going into it. But I think it's also interesting too. Like it, I was saying on yesterday's episode that on some level, maybe they think that would help justify it to their base, which is like, well, there's at least you got this

angle of the wife saying something back to the ICE officer, which in their mind. Because a lot of people jumped onto that. that details like why why she getting out of the car trying to confront the ice officer and like what do they think's going to happen so in some way i think they were trying to take it from the headline which is like this mother who is killed to like someone who is protesting ice who is also a mother who was killed right um to try and give people just sort of like that weird logical you know bit of something that like maga needs to completely contort their brains and be like i that's not what i saw actually it's this other thing now, and that's okay now,

and I don't have to talk about it because it makes whatever uncomfortable, or maybe not. Back talk is a capital offense. It's kind of the implication. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so Chrissy Nome attempted to go on CNN, and then Jake Tapper was just like,

so if anybody gives any sort of pushback at all to the Homeland Security, they should be killed. She was like, yes, absolutely. And then he was like, here's a video of January 6th. Yeah. How are we making sense of that?

And she didn't really know what to say to that? No. Great answer. No. So here's a Tapper just playing all the body cam footage we've seen from January 6th and just sort of narrating

to be like, okay, so interfering with long enforcement is a capital offense. and how about this? By this standard, would any of those officers being justified in shooting and killing the people causing them physical harm? Every single situation is going to rely on the situation those officers are on. But they know that when people are putting hands on them, when they are using weapons against them, when they are physically harming them, that they have the authority to arrest those individuals. The president pardoned every single one of those people.

And make sure that they're getting justice for their actions. actions going forward. President Trump pardoned every single one of those people. And every single one of these investigations comes in the full context of the situation on the ground. And that's when it's just, again, it becomes a bunch of words the whole time. Well, it's all in the context of the, the context of people beating them with, we just said beating with weapons. We just saw a clip of that, smushing them in doors, punching them using bears. I thought she was going to say, do these people be deserved to be arrested? They said every single one of them. Every single one. But she went every single one of these situations is a case-by-case thing, which again, this is just, I'd imagine the hallmark of any authoritarian regime to be like, no, what you're seeing is not what you're seeing.

And in fact, everything we do is justified. And if you disagree with me, you are actually the bad one. Yeah. There was more, like, it goes on to where she keeps insisting, like, you know, like this guy, the person who, this ICE agent who shot her was, is doing a defense. fence. We know that he was justified in doing it. And Jake Tapper pretty quickly is like, I feel like you just, there's no investigation. We still don't know what's going on in the investigation. You've clearly made up your mind. Is that, is that a benefit or is that a disservice to this ice agent that you so clearly care so much about? And it's interesting

because here, she does like another word salad thing that like causes Jake Tapper to just audibly grown because again, it's another non-answer. It's just a bunch of what aboutisms and deflections. I think obfuscation is his kink, and I think he's actually coming a little bit. But go out. Go ahead. Well, you let your ears decide. You be the judge. Yeah, let your ears decide. I'm wondering if you're not doing a disservice to the officer by reaching a conclusion before the investigation takes plans. I haven't urged you say once what a disservice it's done for Mayor Fry to get up and to help I used to get the F out of his city. And AOC to stand up before she had any of the faxing called this officer a murderer.

For individuals, well, call them out, Jake. Spend as much time calling them out. I have provided you with facts and information to back up every single word that we have said and every single part of this investigation. And if you don't like it, that's fine. But we're going to continue to do the right thing to keep the American people safe. That was not us coming a little bit during that answer. That was Jake.

That was Jake groaning. Because again, it's just like, oh, a stone wall. You're talking about something this consequential. And it's just, you get just, just fucking nonsense. Just chest passed right back to you. And yeah, it doesn't bode well, too, that then you then have Tom Holman, who's the, you know, borders are. He also had to go on the Sunday shows, too, to do their whole, like, presentation to mainstream media about why this is okay. Christian Welker, pretty much point blank, was like, look, the way you're talking, the way Christy Noam's talking, she called Good, a domestic terrorist.

Can we just define what that is? Are you saying anyone who doesn't like ICE or is protesting? And this is, you get this very eloquent answer back from Tom Holman. Terrorists, just to be clear, is anyone who protests ICE a domestic terrorist in the eyes of the administration? I can't say that. You know, it's a case by case basis. But, you know, if you look up the definition of terrorism, is there violence? Is there a threat of violence based on an ideology that wants to change the way the government does what we do?

Look at the definition of terrorism. Was Secretary Nome correct to label her a domestic terrorist, Mr. Homan? Look, we don't know what, I don't know what Secretary Nome knows in what I know. I can tell you what they did is illegal. And if you look up as a definition of terrorism. Here it goes. Goes right back to it. Very narrowly.

If you, again, I mean, like that term terrorism is made to sort of used by the states to describe people that are like against me. But again, in American culture, it's like, that means the boogeyman, Al-Qaeda 9-11, and you're one of these people now. Because what you're just, again, purely off the definition of like, they are against what we're doing and trying to change the, like, through a political ideology, therefore. You're not allowed to do that. Yeah. In America? You're not allowed to do that. Right.

Try and change what we're doing? Yeah. Voice display? Nah. Is it cool if I sound a little bit drunk while I'm making this point? Is that cool? Or my dentures are really loose. Does he always sound a little bit?

That's what I always call him, it sounds like a drunken barn cat all the time. You got to understand. Do we, Chris Secretary, no. I got to put my dentures in a little bit better today. Yeah, it's wild. James, I'm curious too. Like in the context, especially in your book,

you're talking about people who also find themselves in quite extraordinary situations, you know, people living their lives and then they come up against a state that is violently trying to upend their way of living deeming everything they believe in or their way of life illegal. What is, where do you kind of put the, this, this situation right now, sort of in the context of a lot of the things you've seen in terms of, you know, people-led revolutions and things like that. Yeah, man, it's not a good situation that we're in right now.

No, no, no. Fuck. Oh, I was hoping you say this is actually. I was over you were saying that when they say anybody who protests against them as a terrorist, I was hoping you're saying that that's actually the sign. they're usually going to call it off. Yeah. That's their last step before they decide. Yeah, we're good here, actually.

I remember in 2022, early 2020, I was speaking to this young guy. It was part of a unit called the Gen Z Army in Myanmar. And really, like, really nice young man, right? Like, he was kind of one of the reasons I wanted to write this book because the way he talked about how they organized themselves, lines up with what I would consider to be anarchism, right? They didn't have authority structures, say they obtained consensus before

doing stuff. And he was like, yeah, for years, we'd hear the government talk about terrorists and we'd be like, well, shit, that's awful. Hope those guys die. And then we saw the government, we saw the military seize, like, the power from the

elected government, right? Not a great election, but election nonetheless. And now they call us terrorists. And we're not terrorists. And we realized that that's just shit that they say. They are the ones who are trying to make people afraid and to execute political change through fear. And I thought it was really interesting to see him. And that word in Burmese that he was using is very loaded, right?

It's a word that I wouldn't want to use to describe them still. I sometimes don't even use rebels because I know it can be translated in that way and people can feel like it's disrespectful. But for him, he's like, yeah, I can give shit and call me what they want. They're out there killing people. Right. They're doing worse stuff than calling me names. And it's very clear which one of us is a bad guy here. Right.

Yeah. I mean, again, that, especially in American culture, it's such a thought killer as a description when you say, terrorist. Yeah. Bad, instantly bad. No further analysis needed. If you say terror, oh, domestic. Oh, domestic.

terrorist means a person that lives here and is bad versus the other one, which most people just go, they just think like Islamic extremism or something like that and just lock it all and get straight to ISIS. Yeah, because they use the same sort of language that in rhetoric they've used for the last three, three, four decades to describe like other kinds of extremist terrorism. It's a whole network, okay, that they're part of a network, you understand. And like, they're in a cell of other terrorists in this network rather than, I think what most people saw, I feel, which is like, this is just a person who, again, is in their community saying, what the fuck is going on?

I'm going to record this. And sure, maybe being in the road, maybe quote unquote, illegal or a violation, but in terms of that leading to a summary execution or just being shot, just without any kind of violation. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's where most people are like, yeah, but that's, this is a lot. And yeah, I'm, I'm wondering, too, how when it will, like, how quickly American people also see, like, how cheap this, this sort of descriptor or like just casting anyone is getting in the way as terrorism or terrorists will kind of hold up. Because they seem to really think that that is their, like, sort of rhetorical strategy here.

It's keep saying this person is a terrorist or anyone that is not, doesn't like ICE is a, terrorist and maybe we have enough logical cover to keep doing this. Yeah. And it's, I mean, I was, I think, I think a lot about like, uh, the situation in Myanmar, right? Like how it began as like these big peaceful protests and it became a revolution that now has liberated half the country from the government. And like there were little, there were little Rubicon, say, crossed all along the way. Um, another river crossing reference, but, uh, this time, like, I remember the first time the

cop shot somewhat. and people were just like, shit. Like, these are the stakes, right? Like, this is the game we're playing. And there's a choice there that people have, right? It's like, and this happened in the Syrian revolution that happened all across the Arab Spring, right? It's happening in Iran right now.

People were like, well, are we willing to play a game where the stakes are our lives, or are we willing to live the rest of our lives subject? And obviously in the US, in theory, we have elections coming up, but that's not necessarily the case, but that wasn't the case in Myanmar and Syria and it's not in Iran. And people were like, you know what, fuck you, we're all going to come out now. Like, more of us will show up.

Tens of thousands of us will show up at this young woman's funeral in Myanmar, right? And be like, we're not afraid of you. And those little Rubikons that they cross, like are what made their movement what it is today because they weren't, they considered it to be worth it, I guess. And like, that's what every movement has to face. And it's pretty disturbing to think that. That's what we're facing in the U.S. But, yeah, if you can be executed for a trafficking fraction,

it's kind of where we're at, right? People can be killed in the street, and the government is going to investigate and find themselves innocent in five minutes on Twitter. Right. Right. Yeah. It's pretty bleak.

What's wild is, like, you know, a lot of people always say, like, it's all of these weapons we use abroad are coming back home to roost. You know, the same, this is the same justification the U.S. military will use to kill innocent people in other, quote, in war zones. Like, well, that was a terrorist. And like that looked like a family. But that's your just description to kind of keep things moving along to not, you know, to not bring people's attention to the humanity of it.

And yeah, I mean, I think that's where seeing all that is really, yeah, it's, it's, it's alarming, which is like, it doesn't even suffice in terms of like a word to, I feel like Susan Collins right now. It is alarming right now to see what is happening. But yeah, we're going to ask questions. And wait for the investigation to happen. And it feels like the DHS crossed like three Rubikons in the last week, basically. Oh, they love, they're just skipping over those motherfuckers.

They're skipping the Rubikons. Yeah. And I'm also curious, like, because rhetorically, too, you see out of the administration more and more of this, like, ethno-nationalist propaganda come out from official channels as like these, like, you know, very Nazi-inspired posters or phrases and things like that. Do you see that as sort of them trying to, like, shore up support from people that will be receptive to sing that kind of message? Or do you think that's them projecting onto the viewing public? This is what, this is the hymnal we're singing from now. You can get in line. Like, what, or is that just trolling?

I mean, how do you look at that in sort of like a larger power picture of it all? Yeah, and I think some of it's just trolling, right? Some of it's just like they get a little, a little excited thrill because they've got some, like, Someone who's probably like 21 years old is manning that Twitter account, right? So some of it's like they've been doing it for years and now they're doing it on a government website and it's very exciting for them. But yeah, I think some of it is trying to tie that narrative to their narrative, right? Or to try and like gradually move their base towards this open blood and soil position, which like they haven't really been that subtle about to begin with. Right.

But like that's where they're at now. Like it moved and that Overton, you know, about the Overton window, right? The window of acceptable political discourse. Like, it's like the Overton window is blown up the wall in terms of like. It's a hole in the building, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That side of the building is gone now. Timothy McPay expanded the Overton window of the Oklahoma City federal. Yeah. They, yeah, and I feel like because nothing sticks to them that they can just be like, yeah, we're going to do that. But yeah, why not? It'll reach the audience that we wanted to reach and it'll piss off. other people, but the pissing off other people doesn't have any consequences. So we're just going to keep going.

Right. Yeah. Or it's just owning the lips, right, which is a goal and an end in itself. Yeah. It's funny. Right. Which is odd. I mean, not odd.

I mean, like, there's such a fundamental misreading of America from, like, the MAGA politicians. Because, like, you even see quotes or like, like, from DHS spokespeople, other politicians are saying, like, you got to quit protesting. like saying it like knock it off like quit protesting dhs and ice guys like let them do their jobs and you're like what quit protest what as if you didn't expect this to be the natural reaction of human beings to see people just kidnapped by armed goons or entering people's homes like that that it's like guys quit protest what's going what's with all this protesting now and i'm that's the other part is do you see anything in sort of the actions of the current administration

is like sort of like the hallmarks of a truly like sort of weak regime trying to project as much power as possible. Or how do you how do you look at their actions in terms of like what, you know, how the structural integrity of their movement is? Yeah, yeah. I mean, what they're going for is like there's this thing at the end of chapter 7 of 1984 that I think about a lot where this Orwell says people fucking love to be wrong about Orwell, I guess. I should just start that. Like the amount of people who like to cite Orwell whilst also being the sort of. of people who are well signed up to kill in the Spanish Civil War. 1984 was written about the Biden administration.

Just wanted to put that out of the real quick. Mostly concerned vaccines and your kids not going to school, having to be in the same space as your kids and you hate them and they hate you. It's a book about divorced dads in lockdown. He says the party told you not to trust your eyes and is. It was their final most important command. That is where we are at. this week.

Yeah, yeah, right. But that is a 10-year project. Donald Trump riding down at an escalator 10 years ago, shit-talking Mexican people, 11 years ago. Right. And they have gradually been stacking bricks since then to get to this place. Where they can, like you said earlier, right, they can post a video of a dude who is, for some reason,

filming on his personal phone whilst doing cop shit, who then shoots a lady three times in the face and be like, see seems totally cool. Because they're going to tell you it's totally cool and you're going to watch it and believe them. And that is the totalitarian project, right? That they can intervene in between the external world and you drawing conclusions from the external world

and have you draw the conclusion that they want. Right. Like that's scary, right? If whatever percentage of people will buy that. Right. And it's not just, a problem, I guess, with Republicans. There's like a sort of conspiratorial wing of Democrats.

You do the same thing. But it is overwhelmingly a problem right now because the government is using it to justify murdering people. That is what we should be focused on. That's pretty scary, man. I mean, any state that resorts to violence, like deliberately does it because that is the nature of the state. It doesn't mean that they're threatened, right?

Like the state at its core is the entity that controls violence in a geographical area. Sure, sure. It always has been, right? That's what the state does. And only one allowed to, yeah, use violence. Yeah, right. They have the monopoly on legitimate violence, the barbarian definition of the state, right? So, like, I think them using violence is not an indication of weakness, but, like, them having

to resort to violence so much. It's not a great, like, that's why they've gone so hard on this blitz, right? Right. They straight up murdered a white lady in the middle of the day. Right. Like, it probably does matter that it's a white lady in this country still, right? Because a lot of suburban folks can see themselves in the lady driving the minivan after dropping herself from school. Yeah, right.

Dropping her kids at school. And if they can do that and walk away from it without consequences, that's pretty bad. Right. It's pretty bad for any, any checks on. power. I guess we're going to find out in the next few days here. Yeah. America, the place where it's like, well, I have to see it happen to someone exactly like me before I figure it out. Yeah. But she doesn't look that much like me. Right. Yeah. But do you see anything in the very beginnings,

uh, nascent US resistance that kind of you've seen elsewhere that, you know, you've talked about kind of resistance, uh, witnessing some of these resistance. groups like the Gen Z Army. But, like, you know, I think a lot of people in the U.S. feel helpless or like, well, what could we do? And, you know, there's also people who are protesting and resisting. But what, just how do you, how do you view, like, the state of American resistance? Yeah, I think, so, like, the reason I wrote the book, like, it's not, like, to be clear, like a guidebook or explaining how to do things.

But I hope it reminds people that. really beautiful things can happen out of really dark times. And like, again, if I go, if you go back to the early Arab Spring or perhaps the early protests in Myanmar, it's a better example, right in 2021 after the coup, first everyone went out with like funny signs. Like, I can remember one person I had one that said, say no, to dictatorship, yes, to relationship. And like stuff like that.

That's cute. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was like a lot of, a lot of like young adult sexual tension. Yeah. Like, don't fuck my country, fuck my friend, and it has a little arrow and stuff. But they were doing that because they thought that if they were funny and peaceful, the world would be like, if these guys are cool, we should help them. And the world did not do shit, right?

And for months, people adhered to the idea of peaceful protests because they genuinely thought it would help. And, like, people are a hero during peaceful protest because they generally believe that it will make a difference. and I hope it does. But like one potential direction is the direction, I guess, at Myanmar. I don't think that's a direction that US will go in necessarily, right? Like I think it's quite unlikely that US will fragment in the way Myanmar has done because we don't have many of the factors that they had.

But every one of these revolutionary movements starts like this, and some of them end up in open-arm conflict, right? Like the Arab's ring was the same, right? It was thousands of people coming out into the street like we've seen in Minneapolis, right? Like that is how these movements that result in change, well, they all begin that way. Right. Nobody wants to be fighting against the government because it's hard. Lots of people die.

And so everything, I guess, begins where we're at. Not everything by any means ends where they are at. But I can see. And I think so much of the young people in Myanmar, especially so much of their discourse on politics was informed by having the internet, learning English and learning from people in the US. So they just assumed that the same tools would work there, right? But you had a different state calculus there, right? If they can kill 150 people in a single day at a protest that they did in Myanmar, that's a whole other scale compared to what we're dealing with in the US. And it's understandable why things have gone in the direction of people fighting back there.

Yeah. It is interesting. Like the tone of the signs, I feel like we're a little bit different this weekend. Yeah, no one's trying to be funny anymore. Yeah, L.A. definitely, we've had some real, you know, funny sign. I mean, like every American city, too. But this weekend felt it was truly about like saying like Renee Nicole Good was murdered. ice are murders, a ball.

Like just a lot of the, it became less about who has the best SpongeBob meme. And it translates, not to say that every sign was like that, but now that you say that, that was an observation I had from the weekend. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you saw that in 2020 as well, right? Like, I don't think anyone was trying to be funny about the murder of George Floyd. No, no. People were fucking mad.

Yeah, yeah. Like the funniest things were just, like, insulting cops. Like that's a way. Oh, that was a creative insult. to, yeah, for a police officer, but that was like the extent rather than like, what's my quip about this unjustified police killing? Yeah. And those skits where they like dressed up as cops and like kept like slipping on ice and like, like, or like slipping and then their gun would go off. That was a real.

That's a real video. Jack of the ice guy slipping. There's like a whole mixtape that I felt like I've seen like five different videos on people. Just being like, I'm going to run on this icy sidewalk. Yeah. Comedic genius. Yeah. I mean, the vest doesn't protect your cockyx, okay?

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Anything good happened in the NFL play? I saw the Eagles lose? Did the Eagles lose? The Eagles lost. I saw people celebrating that. The defending champion, Eagles lost. Oh. Mm-hmm.

Josh Allen, husband of the actress from Singers, whose name is escaping me. They had a big game, big last second win. Wait, what? The Singers. The Sinners. Oh. Does I say Singers? Yeah.

Is Hayley Steinfeld? Haley Steinfeld's husband. Oh, you see what Haley's stuff? Wow, bro, I don't know anything about anything. Okay, anyway, so they're, okay. Big football weekend, big weekend for those of us who can't wait to see what Turning Point USA has cooked up for us. I mean, look, Super Bowl show. Ever since Bad Bunny, one of the most listened to artists on the planet was announced at the halftime show.

Obviously, the MAGA freakouts began because, A, they don't know that Puerto Ricans are American. and B, that doesn't matter because they're racist. And that people don't actually listen that music, man. Come on. That's inflated. It's all bots, dude. That's bots, dude. There's not even a billion people to listen to Bad Buddy that many times, man. That's right.

You know countries outside the West grossly inflated. James, do you see the new conspiracy theory that the world population is vastly overstated and that countries from outside the U.S. are just inflating their numbers to get aid from the West. For fuck's sake. Yeah, this one, I feel like this one's going to be real powerful. I feel like people, oh, they're going to love this one. There actually aren't. There's like only like a couple thousand people in China.

All right, asshole, here's my thing. What's the most people you've ever seen in one place at once? Maybe what? 60,000 at the Rose Bowl. But yeah, so true turning point in true reactionary fashion, right at the time, after the bad bunny thing was like, what? an American artist who's really popular for a global sporting event is doing the halftime show? Well, I think we will announce ourselves of the truekeepers of white American football half-time show

and said that they would have their own competing halftime show that will stun audiences with how white and boring it is. And like you said, Jack, we're getting closer to the game. And many are asking in the press, hey, toilet paper USA. say, um, what's the deal with your shit, dude? Are you guys like, who's fucking performing? So a spokesperson confirmed a few things for us to TMZ. Okay. The show is death.

The show is definitely happening. Sweet. All right. But you'll have to tune in to find out who's performing. Oh, really? Okay. And then they were asked, do you even have performers booked? This is the turning point spokesperson.

Oh, there's performers booked. But we can't reveal who's. they are or even what kind of performer they are. I hope it's a ventriloquist. I do. They take in a different direction. I think they might go like ventriloquist, like a guy who can juggle. They're going AI.

Yeah. There's going to be some like NBA halftime show type people, you know, like the like spinning a plate on a stick and like people who ride multiple unicycles, you know? That thing keeps getting bigger. This guy's balance is incredible. Where will the show be taking place? The answer? Yes.

Mm-mm. Oh, okay. Will it be airing live or their answer? Uh-huh. Yeah, sure. There's a lot of TBDs to actually get here. I do wonder if Nikki Minaj just fully throws herself into the Maga Mount Doom fires and gets it over with because she was on stage at a turning point event.

and it's clearly been like, look, I don't know if you've read anything about my husband or anything about that, but I might need a pardon. So I'm going to start, you know, sipping the maga, the Kool-Aid with everybody. She's, I think the only person that comes close to being, quote, unquote, considered, like, considered, quote-unquote, mainstream, who's actually even been to a turning point event. Or, quote, unquote, popular. Right, right. And even now, I mean, so many fans have been like, geez, y'all, we were trying to ride with you through all this stuff. Yeah, what has the response been to that appearance? Like, because I know she has famously like diehard fans, but.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a lot of people were like, this whole thing has become a joke. It makes sense. Whatever, I was done with her after, you know, just all the other shit that she's been doing the last couple years. Other people are just kind of like maybe not talking about it. But most of the response from like, you know, black audience have been like, okay. And you can go sit all the way the fuck down over there with them. Goodbye.

But the other, it does feel like this would be ripe for some AI company to be like, hey, hey, hey, you know, I can get fucking Elvis to perform at the half-time show, just so you know. I can get Elvis. I can get fucking Johnny Cash. And I can get Francis Scott Key to do that one verse of the Star Spangled Banner where they talk about the slavery and stuff. Well, yeah, I mean, Johnny Cash and Elvis, they're still going to need to pay some money. Like, they're going to need some budget. Those people have, I'm wondering like how far back they're going to have to go to get like some public. Maybe it is Francis Scott Key.

Yeah. And like some domain. Andrew Jackson gives a speech about the trail of tears or some fucked up shit. And they're like, and this is entertainment. Yeah. Al Jolson. I'm just saying. What are we going to see here?

Oh my God. I honestly don't. It's just so hard to picture what this is going to be and how they could claim this as any kind of like, win for them, but they will, obviously, no matter what state the show is in. But I can't wait to not see it. Truly can't wait to see after the fact, like what they've put out there. Because it's, as we've seen, like as they try and take over, even things like the Pentagon Press Corps. And they're just like, yeah, those are now influencers. This is a bunch of influencers. It, like, it looks like it. It looks like a high school journalism.

class out there, you know? Not the age of the people, but just like the type of questions and the level of professionalism. So like, what are we going to see? I mean, the one thing that we've seen they're able to do is buy a lot of fireworks. That seems to be their ones, their one strength. So maybe it's going to be just like a lot of fireworks and you can't really tell who's up there.

It's just Erica Kirk. Erica Kirk setting off a pile of fireworks in a fucking parking lot in Tucson. on. Maybe they'll do it like San Diego did that one time, you know, set them all off at once and like a giant explosion. Catastrophic explosion. Oh, well, look, don't tune in because I'm sure we'll talk about it once it happens. Let us.

No need whatsoever. Let us do it for you. I certainly won't be watching it live, but I can't wait to see how it goes for them. Yeah, Fire Fest all over again. Yeah. Because there is, they had the poster that was like Kid Rock. is coming. There's been another one.

Yeah, he could be there. Yeah. But that was made up, though. Like, is he capable of doing a live show? Kit Rock? Yeah. Oh, I mean, I don't think so. No.

I wouldn't recommend it as a doctor, but as somebody who thinks he sucks, I think you should give it a go, you know? You know how, like, you look at old pictures of, like, the dust bowl or the depression, and it'll look like, to us as like a 58-year-old man, And you're like, this guy is 35. Yes.

You know what I mean? And then like over time, you like look, people as look at now, they're like, damn, our 35 girls look like babies now and shit like that. Kid Rock for being 54 looks like a Dust Bowl era of 54 year old. Dust Bowl 54. He's maintained that like stress and lack of proper health. And I'm sure drinking beer and cigarettes and all that has, uh, yeah, I'm like, when I look at him, yeah, he's 54 and I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you look, yeah,

you look like dried up dog shit. Yep. there he is. Yeah. Yeah. So he's, we'll see. But everything above the hat band,

he looks super young. You know what I mean? Everything above his hat band, which is he hasn't taken his hat off. It's been grafted onto his head. Everything up there, he looks like a newborn baby. He looks like,

he looks like one of the precogs. Like he's been bathing in a milk bath for the past. You know he's got, yeah, he's doing the Brett Michaels thing where it's like, Bro, the hair is attached to the hat. Just so you know. So this thing is not going to be.

I don't know if you seen a picture. My father is agassying hard. Yeah. If you see me in a backwards trucker hat, the shit you're going to look in there looks like a field that is lying fallow. Well, James, such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zykeist.

Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It Can Find Me on It Could Happen Here, which is a Cool Zone podcast. You can find it anywhere, good podcasts, given away for free. We also have a bunch of different feeds. So if you just want to listen to our immigration stuff, you can find that. If you want to listen to stuff about Myanmar, you can find that if you want to listen

to other things that we've covered. You can find those all on the Cool Zone media page. If they want to read my book, they can pre-order it from AKPress.org. It's called Against the State. And I sometimes go on social media. I'm trying not to. It makes me so angry, but you can search my name. It's designed to do that, actually, James.

I've heard that. I've heard that. I've heard that. Many people are saying it. But yeah, I will occasionally tweet or skeet or there's about the only do I use. Whatever you need to do. I do yeet. I want to yeet my telephone into the sun every time I go on those websites.

While listening to Yeat. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Man, there are a couple, yeah. You know, recently I did a podcast, it's not my podcast series, just so I'm clear. I did a podcast series about the people I met in the Dalian Gap a year ago, and like where they are now where they're at. And in that series, I talked about a Woody Guthrie song. He wrote as a poem about these people who were killed in the Los Gatos,

Canyon Plain Crash. You're familiar with that? 48 people died just outside of, I think it's outside of Vasalia there, up in central California in the valley. And the press only named the immigration officer, the pilot, the flight assistant, or essentially only the white folks in the crew, right? Two pilots, flight assistant immigration officer. And Woody Guthrie hits us on the radio.

And he's like, damn, it's pretty fucked up. All those other people died. You didn't say shit about them. So he wrote a song about it. And lots of people have covered the song. So it's just Johnny Cash covered it, actually. So maybe, uh, oh, well, he's not going to be doing Turning Point USA. Yeah, yeah.

I just heard. I just heard about Johnny Cash. I don't know if he's good for this show. Sir, sir, sir. He's gone to work. Yeah. Yeah. So I recently been watching some videos about it.

It makes me happy to think that there was a point when even like, yeah, Johnny Cash was like, yeah, man, it's pretty fucked up how we treat those people. We shouldn't do that to migrants. It's wrong. All these people here ended up, but I said our program, right? So they were like, quote unquote, guest workers. And they were being deported home. at the time that the plane crashed.

And, yeah, they weren't even mentioned. It wasn't until, like, two years ago that somebody built a memorial for them where the plane crashed, and this happened in 1948. Jesus. Yeah. So I've been enjoying listening to people singing Woody Guthrie songs. Woody Guthrie, Jeremy. There you.

I'd listen to. All right. Miles, where can people find you as there a work in media you've been enjoying? Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. Catch the new. footy podcast, ain't it footy, where I talk about the English Premier League, the F-A-Cup, all kinds of shit,

latest episode with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin. You get two Americans and a Brit talking that shit about our favorite international sport. Now, a couple of works I like, yes, there's one from at LOL on wee.b.isky.com. Posted, just a quote, just a screencap of the subreddit it are no stupid questions.

And it says, quote, if the wealthy can buy up all the computer memory and drive prices through the roof, what's stopping them from doing the same thing with stuff people actually need to survive? And the account of their quote tweet or quote post said, half of the top view reply I start with, brother, my friend and homie.

And then one more I like is from, obviously a lot of people saw the great slip and fall of that ice agent in Minnesota who really flanned it on his keystore at digitalgeist.com on blue sky posted that photo with this old screen cap of a tweet from 2014 from at Mike Fossey it said check this shit out motherfucker parenthetical I slide one foot out from under me and fall on my ass it's not clear what kind of move I was trying to do along with it is one of my all-ton favorite check this shit out motherfucker The way he had to scurry his little ass back into that car, it must have been half-concussed or something. He did not. He must be in pain. Yeah.

Ow, ow, ow, ow, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yep. I like to tweet from Mark on Twitter at Adrian Ranch. And who said, if you walk up to the counter at Trader Joe's without any grocery items, they'll have no choice but to compliment your body. Hey, nice. Arms. Arms?

You got great ones. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien on Blue Sky, Jack O'Bee the number one. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zykegeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it. And there at the bottom you will find the foot note. Nope.

Which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you? think that people might enjoy? Yes, yes. This is a track from Temporary Blessings, which is like an instrumental band from Australia, because all the cool instrumental bands are all in like Melbourne. Now, this track's called Goblin Mode. But this band's cool. I just like just a group of musicians are like, man, I love like Ennio Morricone's, like compositions and like that's just kind of like vibe instrumental music that used to be in like 70s, 60s film. Why don't we make a band that does that?

kind of like what this band does. So temporary blessings with Goblin Mode feels very much like something your favorite hip-hop producer would probably sample. But they're making it now. So Goblin mode. There you go. Go. All right. We will link off to that in the foot notes for the Daily Zikeyes at production of I-HartRadio for more podcasts from My Heart Radio visit. The I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows that's going to do it for us this morning. Yep. Back this afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye. The Daily Zykeyes is executive produced by Catherine Law. Co-produced by Bay Wang.

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