The Daily Zeitgeist - Don’t Hate The Sh***y Media Men List, Lana Del Radiohead 1.11.18

Episode Date: January 12, 2018

In episode 62, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Alex Schmidt to discuss more of the presidents schedule, America being a joke in Holland, Menghazi with Michael Douglas, & Moira Donegan's Me...dia Men's list, Radiohead suing Lana Del Rey, & more. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:15 For January 11th, 2018, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Baby Got Jack. Courtesy of Caleb Wexler, and I'm thrilled to be joined by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. That's right. It's your boy, Miles Gray, a.k.a. 420 Shades of Gray. And thank you to Daniel Kenny for that very appropriate a.k.a. Bless you. And thank you for listening. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious stand-up comedian, podcast host, comedy writer, and just all-around great guy from crack.com's very own Alex Schmick. Hey, it's great to be here.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Hey, man. It's been a real pleasure. Thank you. We're thrilled to have you. It's great to see you. The people are thrilled. The people are thrilled. People are very excited.
Starting point is 00:03:03 It's crossover-ed. When I pretended like I was informally calling you. The people are thrilled. The people are thrilled. People are very excited. It's crossover-ed. When I pretended like I was informally calling you to just come on today. That was really fun. Yeah, yeah. Are you going to call him Schmitty the Clam? Oh, yeah. A.K.A. Schmitty the Clam. Ah, man.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Here we go. It's great. All right. Oh, my God. He's crying. Can you get him to say something? Walks into every room he enters cock first. That's my other thing I always say about Alex.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Yeah, do people, because that's like my favorite running Jack joke about me. And I think one live show you said that, and so then I just tried to physically do that coming on stage. I tried to go cock first. Yeah, it was pretty impressive. It's hard on the back. It's hard on the back, guys. You're really making sure yeah uh alex what's something from your search history that is revealing about who you are as a human being
Starting point is 00:03:51 i have been looking i just regularly look into the share zone do you guys know about the share zone on twitter and facebook no but who what it's a joke account that is like the best thing from a year or two ago it's this like fake just social media junk account that's all skeletons and attitude and like memes about being badass but it's also this comedy character where he's very anxious and he has ibs and he has like an upsetting life and i want to know who it is i really really want to know who's making it because like when people have reached out to him and emailed like, Hey,
Starting point is 00:04:25 I'm from this website. I'd like to write up to share zone and tell people about it. He takes their email, screenshots it and turns it into a meme, making fun of the people who reached out to him. It's a total mystery. It's great. So he's like the Banksy of memes is what you're kind of saying so far.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Yeah, it's great. Nice. Yeah. It's like, cause drill is great, but everybody figured out who drill is on Twitter. So right now it's the share zone.
Starting point is 00:04:46 That's my white whale. How do you spell to share zone? It's D a and then share. And then I think zone with a zero for the L. Yeah. Oh God. I got it. And it's like a lot of skeletons, a lot of like, um, acrostics.
Starting point is 00:05:01 It's, it's really, really, really strange in a great way. Really good. Like one of the last ones is Deshares' own 2018 prediction, big-time ska revival, bitch. It's like a skanking skeleton of the special sort of checkerboard aesthetic. That's awesome. What is something you think is overrated? I think e-readers are overrated.
Starting point is 00:05:23 What? Like a Kindle? Yeahle yeah we'll see if you if you already have one that's great but i have found that my phone is basically that and so there's no reason to buy one now like there's no because phones are enormous and you can do the kindle app and you can like do that instead of checking twitter seven times a day like i do you know it's great it's really good yeah now do you find yourself able to read a book on your phone without checking Twitter 300 times a day? Some of the time.
Starting point is 00:05:52 That's an excellent question. I have a very difficult time reading on my phone. Yeah. For a long time. I feel like the brightness too. With e-readers, that fake paper, it's not as much of a strain on your eyes. Also, I don't like people knowing what books I'm reading, so it's easier when I'm just looking at
Starting point is 00:06:09 a Kindle rather than struggling with your male-factor baldness or whatever it is. It's a lot of box card children, peewee scouts. Party boys. Would I go to college?
Starting point is 00:06:27 Alex, what's something you think is underrated? The San Antonio Spurs. They're making moves. Monish moves. Because I feel like not everybody realizes that most of them have been hurt all year, and they still are hanging in there with the Rockets and even the Warriors. They're not far behind them, even though Kawhi Leonard's played a few games. Are you a Spurs fan?
Starting point is 00:06:51 I have kind of dated my way into it. I'm way into the Spurs. Because you're from Chicago, the Chicago area. Were you a Bulls fan growing up? Oh, yes. I grew up with Michael Jordan. You grew up with Michael Jordan? In the same house.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Let me tell you about it. Hit the intro. All right. But yeah, so when I was a kid, the Bulls had never known defeat. And he briefly hung out with Bugs Bunny. And it was really great. And then since then, it's been real rough and not that great. And then at the same time, even as a kid, I just tim duncan was really cool once jordan was gone
Starting point is 00:07:25 right no one you know uh because he's not cool and that's what's cool and you said you dated into liking the spurs so you're dating greg popovich right yes okay that's great i will be his first lady it'll be really good first lady of the spurs alex schmidt um yeah tim duncan is uh aggressively not cool in a fun way. Oh, yeah. No swag. No swag. Big fundamentals, as many people called him.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he loves passing, you know? Yeah. It's the best. He is the hootie and the blowfish of all-time NBA greats. Like, he just has that sort of earnest vibe. There's something about him. Hey, I want to see him swim, though.
Starting point is 00:08:04 Yeah. Because I heard that's where he really gave up his career in swimming to pursue basketball. I had no idea. What island is he from? I want to say St. Croix or St. Thomas. Yeah, one of those. And he would swim home every offseason and swim back. That's how good he is at swimming.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Yeah, St. Croix. No, but he grew up as a great swimmer. That was what he was known for. I remember when he first was coming out of Wake Forest and people were doing stories about him. They were like, this kid was actually a phenomenal swimmer. And I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Like Allen Iverson being supposedly a better quarterback than point guard. That's what people said about him coming out of high school. Really? Yeah. No way. Like said about him coming out of high school. Really? Yeah. No way. Like the second coming of Charlie Ward? Yeah. There's a great video of him just throwing a football like 70 yards into a trash can.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Flat footed. Yeah. Just like, yeah. Which I could see that. Yeah. Charlie Ward won a Heisman, didn't he? He did. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:02 And then played for the family. And then played. Think about that. Played on the family. And then played. Think about that. For the Knicks or something? On the bench, yeah. That's all you need to know about the NFL, is that he kind of played for the Knicks after winning the Heisman. All right, let's get into format. We're trying to take a sample of the ideas that are out there changing the world.
Starting point is 00:09:17 We talk about pop culture, the news. Just trying to take the temperature of the global shared consciousness of the human species. Miles, where are we at today? You know, I think we're still, I think we're at like, we're at a 99. I think this bit's getting old. I think I need to stop asking you that. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:09:36 I think you shouldn't. Just keep going? Just really force it? Yeah. And we like to start out by asking our guest, what is a myth? What's something they know to be true that most people think is not true or vice versa? Yeah, I think there's a general conception out there that there are rules and laws that apply to the president. And we not just with this president have seen that the president can do whatever they want all of the time i thought you were going to say apply to me alex schmidt and you cannot fucking touch me uh yeah so explain what what you mean just like the the past few presidents they've expanded the executive so much or you just mean like generally both yeah well at least since nixon the they've just expanded expand what the president can do uh once the war on terror started it was like, the president can just have us kind of at war all of the time.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Because otherwise, we're not safe. Give him our info. And yeah, even I'd say Obama did it through necessity because he was blocked all the time. But he just did a bunch of executive orders because he felt that was the thing to do. And the president can do that. And like in the run up to this election in 2016 and also with past ones, people are like, well, sure. Think this about the president can do that and like in the run-up to this election in 2016 and also with past ones people are like well sure think this about the president but also remember they're hemmed in by congress and the courts and yada and no we need to start thinking about electing a president as
Starting point is 00:10:55 we're going to elect like a wild animal like they can just run around the white house ripping up cushions if they want to i mean luckily most of the institutions have held up that are like meant to serve as checks and balances right like you know like i feel like the courts have have definitely had to step in to correct some of the the fuckery that the president's tried to do so it's not like i mean i don't you mean i but i feel like i was also a little bit relieved to see that most of the institutions held up despite a lot of the wild shit he was trying to do but it's true like yeah the idea that you know the president is going to be bound by whatever the people want or whatever, yeah, maybe not.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Yeah, yeah. You get to do what you want. Their approval rating doesn't matter. The public reaction doesn't matter. Well, and even Trump's picking – that one judge he picked, the guy in the hearing didn't know how laws work or how being a judge works. Or didn't even try a case. Yeah, and so the longer he's
Starting point is 00:11:45 president those are our judges you know like that stuff can uh crumble pretty quick well and yeah i think that'll be the real lasting legacy is once he's out and like all these you know circuit judges he's appointed are like oh god have you ever tried a case uh no sir uh no is this your first time in a courtroom uh yes yes sir it is right now is a case that new candy bar that just came out? Yeah, I mean, is this as powerful as the executive branch has ever been, like in the history of the U.S. government? I think I've read people saying that, that this is as expanded as the powers have ever been. It seems like it. Well, and also on top of the president having as much power as possible there's like no there are very very few actual job requirements like i
Starting point is 00:12:30 think they have to give a state of the union and that's really all they like have to have to do otherwise it's just kind of they're relatively professional and they show up to sign laws or veto laws or bother to but in the past like like grover cleveland had a secret surgery on a boat and didn't tell his vice president and he could have died uh woodrow wilson was kind of dead for about a year and his wife ran the country like there's no there's no rules with this like that movie dave at all yeah basically basically yeah like look alike yeah like we have to have a president but they can be up to anything at all all of the time why did he get surgery on a boat it was more secretive he had some kind of he was like you know i really love to have the surgery on a boat yeah he told he told like six or seven people including the doctor
Starting point is 00:13:13 and not including his vice president so his vice president could have gotten a telegram or whatever right right saying you're the president now yeah it seems like a place if you need surgery because a boat is not stable like right's what I think, yeah. They sailed into Long Island Sound and removed a big tumor from his face and jaw. And then had him recuperate at a house and try not to see the public too much because his face was obviously not right for a while. You could only see him from one side. He was just like, hey, look at this side. I'm at the window.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Yeah, and I think it's nonpartisan to say that's insane. You're just like, hey, look at this side. I'm at the window. Yeah. And I think it's nonpartisan to say that's insane. That's so long ago. Nobody's a Cleveland fan or hater. It's just nuts. Just you wait. Check your mentions later. So producer Anna Hosnia is saying, it's apparently the most powerful the executive branch has ever been since the New Deal, which makes sense.
Starting point is 00:14:04 The New Deal was a big deal. Yeah. powerful the executive branch has ever been since the new deal which makes sense well that new deal was a big deal yeah rose they barely stopped franklin delano roosevelt from just changing how many judges there are on the supreme court to get his policies through that's crazy yeah it's amazing and look what he did yeah hmm yeah it is kind of uh odd that the most powerful president ever was like ended up being one of one of the better ones like we're kind of odd that the most powerful president ever was like – ended up being one of the better ones. Like we're kind of lucky in that respect. Like he could have just ended up being like a fucking tyrant. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:34 So – And I think that's how we need to think. We need to start thinking of presidential elections as which of these people would be the better king. Yeah. Right. Like that's how we need to frame it. Yeah. Or just change the fucking law because – Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like that's how we need to frame it. Yeah. Or just change the fucking law because.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Because Obama's really showed us how, how bad this thing can go. Am I right guys? Oh, hell yeah. You know what I mean? Now let's talk about.
Starting point is 00:14:56 Wait, hold on, Jack. Now that you got me started on Obama. I don't know if you heard what Joe Arpaio said, but he still definitely believes that that birth certificate is phony. He doubled down on this. I'm like, wow, cool. Anyway, I'm sorry. Go on.
Starting point is 00:15:10 That's amazing. I just wanted to bring that up because that's someone who's running for Senate. Speaking of just all of that, President Trump. So we talked earlier about how I think it's Axios got access to his actual schedule. Like there's the public schedule that the president's office gives out to the media that is, you know, very vague, but also makes it seem like the president is a hard worker in this case. in this case. And we talked about how over the last year, he is like on average started work at 11 and gotten off work at six. So he's putting in a solid seven hours. But they talked about, they pulled like random examples from his actual like weekly schedule from the week they were looking at. And we were giving him way, way too much credit.
Starting point is 00:16:15 So I wanted to read just what his days looked like. So on Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day with Chief of Staff John Kelly at 11 a.m. He then has, quote, executive time for an hour. So 8 to 11 a.m. we talked about is executive time. And that's that means that he's in his bedroom watching Fox News and tweeting and eating cheeseburgers in bed, presumably. No way. There's no way we have like an electronic record that he's tweeting and watching Fox News. There's not timestamps or stuff lining up. Right. That can't be. So me first meeting at 11 a.m. Then he has executive time for an hour after that meeting, followed by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then it's another hour and 15 minute minutes of executive time, by a 45-minute meeting with National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Then another 15 minutes of executive time before Trump takes his last meeting of the day, a 345 meeting with the head of presidential personnel, Johnny DeStefano, before ending his official day at 415. before ending his official day at 4.15. Other days are fairly similar, unless the president is traveling, in which case the days run longer. On Wednesday this week, for example, the president meets at 11 a.m. for his intelligence briefing. He then has executive time until 2 p.m., where he meets with the Norwegian prime minister, his last official duty, a video recording with Hope Hicks at 4 p.m.
Starting point is 00:17:49 OK, so those are pretty bad. And then their next bullet point is on Thursday, the president has an especially late schedule policy time, quote, policy time at 11 a.m. So that's not even a thing. They're just like, OK, we have to put something on this day. Policy time at 11 a.m., then executive time at 12 p.m., then lunch for an hour, then more executive time from 1.30. So. What the fuck? That's just it.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Like, that is. I'm serious. If you Google preschooler schedule, it will look very similar to this. It really does. Except it'll be story time. Right. Followed by arts and crafts time and circle time. What the fuck is policy time?
Starting point is 00:18:29 Does someone show him a poster? Does he want a schoolhouse rock? I don't know. It seems like maybe they're just trying to remove him from all consequential action and decision making. And then every once in a while, he flares up and is like, I want to have a meeting on TV. And they're like, okay. And then completely own himself in the meeting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:55 So what happened with that meeting? He had a bipartisan meeting about DACA. Oh, two days ago, you mean with Dianne Feinstein? Yeah, with DiFi. partisan meeting about daca and oh two days ago you mean with uh diane feinstein yeah with di-fi and yeah like he just she just basically asked him to like like she said what the like what the democrats wanted was like a clean daca bill before talking about immigration reform and he's like yeah i think we can do that right and just agreed to it then all the republicans are like no no what the fuck no that's not how this works you right not what we want remember what team you're on.
Starting point is 00:19:25 And then wasn't there something similar this morning with a tweet where he – This morning, so yeah, they're voting to reauthorize the FISA Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Right. And the White House position is to reauthorize it because they want to make sure that they can surveil whoever they need to. Keep all the power. So he's watching Fox and Friends this morning and then he tweets,
Starting point is 00:19:49 quote, House votes on controversial FISA act today, end quote. This is still in the tweet. This is the act that may have been used with the help
Starting point is 00:19:58 of the discredited and phony dossier to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump campaign by the previous administration and others? Question mark. So he's kind of like, wait, this thing might be shady.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Right. Then someone probably had to smack the shit out of him and say, are you, bro, this is not, no, we don't want that. And then says next to me two hours later is, with that being said, I have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process since taking office. And today's vote is about foreign surveillance of foreign bad guys on foreign land. We need it. Get smart.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Right. So, I mean, he doesn't even know. It makes sense. Like, just give him like, you know, like when you give your toddler a cell phone, you put on airplane mode or something and just, you know, press all the things and you still think you're using it. Right. Right. Maggie Simpson driving the car. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Beep, beep, beep. Yeah. it right um right maggie simpson driving the car yeah exactly yeah so i mean you can look at it a couple ways like does he have all this free time because he is demanding it and he's just like i really i just need more executive time right or they are completely just like dude keep this guy away from fucking everything right either way it looks like a complete dereliction of duty like to fuck have that much executive time. But then also, when do we hold these people around him accountable, too? Because they know better.
Starting point is 00:21:09 I know. I think that's I think we need to start like really looking at them and just being like, OK, so this guy is somewhat irrelevant other than the fact that he could end the world at any time. Yeah, exactly. But we should maybe start looking at who's using him for what and in what manner. Yeah. Like in that respect, I do feel like maybe him having his kids close by is maybe good for him because they're going to be looking out for his best interest. And maybe they'll be like, sure, maybe you should resign. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Or just be like, Daddy, you're sick. Right. You got to stop. Or just be like, daddy, you're sick. Right. You got to stop. And also if they know you, I honestly, you have a, you have a responsibility to let the American people know that daddy can't do the job. I mean, we already know that, but like, let's be real.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Like if something really goes down and the whole time this like senile guy was like doing a coloring book before he decided to like authorize a nuclear strike against someone like we're at risk. Oh, we're totally at risk we're fucked if he like i don't know has a moment of lucidity and gets like cranky that you know he's being kept away from the nuclear button or whatever um yeah i like that his his brain seems to be like he just likes whoever's nearest to him like whenever he's met with obama afterwards he's like that ob Obama's a pretty good guy. And then an hour later, it wears off, and he's like, yeah, I'm not from here.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Just watches enough Fox News. Yeah. It's just whatever's in front of him. Yeah, yeah. Hope Hicks, his real wife, you need to, I'm looking at you, you need to say something true. All right, we don't know anything. Well, they say that's his real daughter.
Starting point is 00:22:42 The theory that's being floated around the office is that there's something going on there. But we have no reason to believe that. This is wild speculation. But either way, all you people in the White House, I know you're listening to this show because it's a very powerful show. Right. But you need to step up and say something because it looks like your man doesn't have what it takes. But the people around him are getting the most from this arrangement like true yeah taking him out of power just takes their power away too so i i don't know who it is but
Starting point is 00:23:12 somebody needs to find a way to like i don't know get get a camera at the window of the room and show him doing the coloring books or something so that we can uh having a shit fit when he colors outside the lines they did apparently just ban personal cell phones from the White House, presumably. I mean, one of the possible reasons could be that they don't want people taking video or, you know, snapping a picture of him walking around. They don't want any leaking color photos of him leaking his diaper. Right. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:27:25 pete hoekstra who is a former uh congressman from michigan he was made ambassador by trump uh to the netherlands uh because it turns out he was actually born there uh back in 1953 way back then uh and moved to the u.s when he was three so he was only there for three years. But that makes him an expert in everything Dutch. And back in 2015, he made some weird statements on WAX talking about how there are no-go zones in Holland. He said a lot of weird shit that just was not true. So I guess what we'll do is we'll play the clip. So basically, he's the ambassador to Holland.
Starting point is 00:28:02 He's saying all this crazy shit about the country. And one of these Dutch reporters catches him and was like, hey, can I ask you about these quotes? And also hits him with receipts during the same interview. So just listen to this interaction of Pete Hoekstra having to own his former statements about the country he is the ambassador to. ambassador too at one point you mentioned in a debate that there are no go zones in the netherlands and that cars and politicians are being set on fire and i didn't say that that that is actually an incorrect statement um yeah we would call it fake news hey i never said that because it's what but but i said no it's not what i said the. The Islamic movement has now gotten to a point where they have put Europe into chaos. Chaos in the Netherlands.
Starting point is 00:28:49 There are cars being burned. There are politicians that are being burned. And yes, there are no-go zones in the Netherlands. You call it fake news? Obviously, I didn't call that fake news. Wait, what? No? No. Yo. I don't think I yo okay i don't think i did i don't think
Starting point is 00:29:08 he just showed him the conditions being burned oh hold on well he just showed him the clip of him saying that right and then he's like you just called that fake news like no i don't think i did the reporter's face he literally looks at the camera like what the fuck am i talking to a sentient being he goes full jim halpert he just goes like oh yeah he became a reaction gift basically um so then today or this week he had his first press conference as ambassador with uh the dutch media at his residence in the hague uh and they pressed him again because that was a fucking weird interaction uh and you know out there in holland they're not about the bullshit you know like they are you they're like you said this shit you need
Starting point is 00:29:49 to answer for it and so basically what you'll hear in this is this uh where the dutch media is pressing him uh and they ask him to read this like inscription behind him which is like from john adams uh that says something about like you know like may wise and honest men like bring good to the world under this roof like and they're trying to shame him into answering the question by reading this inscription so now listen to this this is the most recent interaction with pete hoekstra and uh the dutch media are politicians being burned in the netherlands in the past is that something you believe yes or no i'm not revisiting the issue Did you read the quote over the fireplace from John Adams? If you're truly an honest and wise man...
Starting point is 00:30:29 Would you please take back the remark about burnt politicians? Or name the politician that was burnt in the Netherlands. He's reading the description right now. Thank you. He just turns around and says, thank you. Why don't you answer the question? Why don't you answer the question? This is not how this works, guys.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Come on. This is the Netherlands. You have to answer questions. Oh, my God. Did you say this is not how this works, guys. Come on. This is the Netherlands. You have to answer questions. Oh, my God. Did he say this is not how this works? Yeah, that's a Dutch. Well, because, no, one of his spokespeople was like, okay, come on, next question. Like how most people do in D.C.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Where they're like, okay, we see what you're trying to, like, hold a politician accountable. Next question. And they're like, this is not how this works. And then that female journalist is like, this is the Netherlands. You have to answer questions meaning it's not the fucking stupid ass us where you know you can just fucking wriggle your way out of the thing he looks so awkward too like when you guys look at the footnotes footnotes of this show watch the clip because it is so awkward like him just reading this inscription having his back to the press and turns back
Starting point is 00:31:22 around is like, thank you. And they were all like, Erlik? That's Dutch. Anyway, shout out to all my people in Holland. I'm imagining a crowd of Dutch reporters and, like, John Adams' blue Force ghosts just all, like, shaking their heads. Yeah, it's not good. Thank you. So, yeah, as if it weren't bad, I mean, like, now that putting these like weird idiots in positions to like interact with other countries.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Like, yeah, now you're starting to see people be like, oh, this is not the US. Right. You have to answer us. Yeah. I mean talking about dereliction of duty. Like the State Department, like so many different parts of this administration just they haven't filled positions and then this is who they fill the positions that they do fill well it's easy because he's like okay ambassador to holland do we have someone who's dutch
Starting point is 00:32:17 okay send him he's like well he was only there for three years and then he moved to the u.s i don't care so i mean it's just like, it's easy. That's the obvious choice. Right. Ambassador to France. Do we have a cartoon skunk? Yeah. Is there a cartoon skunk available?
Starting point is 00:32:30 Pepe. Pepe Le Vieux. Okay. Got it. So, Trump, if you're hearing me, make me ambassador to Blasia for black Asians out there. I mean, that's my specialty. So, you know, I would love, I would accept that position. You would actually be good at that position though.
Starting point is 00:32:44 So, that does not apply. That will not be happening. All right. Let's move on to Benghazi. Yeah, Benghazi. So, Franco, the report came out today that five women are accusing him of, you know, sexual misconduct, exploitative behavior Exploitative behavior. Yeah, exploitative behavior. It's kind of a more, I don't know, gray area than ones we've talked about in the past.
Starting point is 00:33:14 So we're going to hold that one for our guest tomorrow, Sarah June, who is a woman, as her name suggests. And, yeah, we want to get her opinion on the Franco story. But we couldn't let Michael Douglas go by because it's just one of my favorite headlines. Michael Douglas preemptively denies masturbating in front of a woman. Which sounds like he just called a news outlet up and was like, hey, this is Michael Douglas. I've never masturbated in front of a woman. And then like he just called a news outlet up and was like, hey, this is Michael Douglas. I've never masturbated in front of a woman. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:48 And then it's like, huh? Yeah. But the article, when you read it, it's sort of – it's not as cut and dry. Yeah, it's just a woman. He was told that the accusation was going to be made. And so he thought he should call a different outlet and tell them his side of the story. He should call a different outlet and tell them his side of the story. And they were like, hey, so this is a weird conversation.
Starting point is 00:34:18 And also they pointed out that the whole thing as he was portraying it sounded like it was a Michael Douglas movie where like. Man in danger. Yeah, sexual man in danger. Like the only difference was it wasn't like happening in the 1980s. right otherwise because he was talking to deadline right right and the it was just such a breathless like hollywood red carpet question right like you've made many films no that's not what we're talking about at all like so did you masturbate in front of her wait what that was a turn yeah we wanted to talk about the uh piece written by uh moira donnegan uh who is the creator of the shitty media men list uh she was presumably about to be doxxed uh by a harper's article they were gonna say that she was probably the person who
Starting point is 00:35:03 created the list so she kind of came out on Twitter and was like, yeah, it was me. Like, you don't have to dox me. Like you can look on Instagram and see where I usually hang out. If you want to do me physical harm. Uh,
Starting point is 00:35:15 yeah. Cause that was her fear. Right. Was that like, if Harper's comes out and names her that like people were speculating, I think that there's a lot of speculation of like the danger that would be, you know, that she would,
Starting point is 00:35:25 she could possibly be in. Yeah. And I mean – Not that that was the only reason. But yeah, I think it makes sense. Some people are like, well, then why would she just out herself? And she gives a very good explanation of what was going on and what her intentions were with it. Yeah. So this was she created a Google Doc where women could post anonymously their experiences with different men in the media industry. And, you know, they could post any sort of sexual misconduct, bullying behavior. And the way that the story had come down to me was that it kind of got out of hand and people's names were being thrown on there without accountability.
Starting point is 00:36:20 And she does a really good job of kind of explaining where she was coming from, I thought. And one of the things that I hadn't realized is it was only up for a couple hours. It was up for like 12 hours. Right. And then it just got flooded with entries. And she was pointing out that... Was she sharing it with like specific friends or something before that? Is that the deal? Or it was just at all on the internet for about 12 hours and then it got railed?
Starting point is 00:36:42 I think she was sharing it with specific friends and it got like spread around it was probably like an invite only thing the way you can on like a google doc yeah and uh it got spread so fast and to so many people uh and then i think within 12 hours buzzfeed was like going to publish an article about the shitty men list. And she was like, OK, this has kind of gotten away from me. So I think she took it down at that point. Right. But then at that.
Starting point is 00:37:13 But then people had already sort of duplicated it and posted it everywhere else. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the points that she made were the ways that women have to adjudicate this sort of behavior, you know, are not great. Like if you want to report it to H.R., H.R.'s main interest is only to protect the company from any sort of, you know, litigation. Yeah. So their main interest is not in helping the victim at all. And we've seen that time and again with these accusations, especially, I mean, the ones in politics were really bad because they would like make the victims do counseling with the
Starting point is 00:37:59 people they were accusing of, you know, sexual harassment all the way up to sexual assault. people they were accusing of, you know, sexual harassment all the way up to sexual assault. And she was saying the police, you know, present their own set of problems. I think that's the one that people are usually like, well, just go to the police. But, yeah, I mean, the police are notoriously, as she puts it, notoriously inept with handling sexual assault cases. And so she was saying the spreadsheet basically made a presumption that our culture sees as radical but that she's kind of raising the question, should it be seen as radical, that it is men, not women, who are responsible for men's sexual misconduct. It's, you know, it's just letting women kind of put their voices out there. And, you know, the other point she's making is that she didn't intend for this to be a public thing.
Starting point is 00:38:57 She kind of does a really good job of describing the sort of historic importance of whisper networks, because if you don't have a public way of, you know, informing other women that somebody is, you know, problematic or scary to be around, then you have women kind of talking to each other in private and telling each other, you know, keep an eye out for that person. And that's basically what she was hoping to accomplish with the spreadsheet, but just in a more formalized way, because whisper networks, because they're informal, tend to be, you know, discriminatory or like they don't include women of color or people who aren't like already friends. Um, they were, you know, very clear about what the accusations were. So, you know, it's almost like more responsible than a whisper network is, is kind of what she was hoping to get at.
Starting point is 00:40:14 It's just that, um, because there was evidence of it, that's what kind of caused the problem. Right. Yeah. It seems like if there was a better way to do it, they would do it. You know, it's, it's sort of like how a lot of these things are being prosecuted on Twitter basically.
Starting point is 00:40:31 And there are issues with that, but it's way better than what we were doing before, which is nothing. Right. Like we just have to do something. Well, yeah, that's like sort of,
Starting point is 00:40:39 it seems like the evolution of all of these new revelations. And like, as part of the sea change is figuring out how, if we, if we're going to move away from the whisper network way of informing people like what's that next logical step to do it in a way that's that's i guess the most responsible way considering all parties involved that isn't just complete like you know sort of social media accusations because that's kind of the way it's been done now. Right. And just another point that I guess she doesn't specifically raise, but, you know, a lot of people are like, well, how do we know it's true? And there's sort of this implicit assumption, I think, on some men's part that, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:19 making accusations against a man is something a woman would do, you know, easily and for fun. accusations against a man is something a woman would do you know easily and for fun and uh at the end of the article i was surprised to see that like a lot of the things that she was worried about when she first put the doc up like actually came to pass uh she said in the weeks after the spreadsheet was exposed my life changed dramatically i lost friends some who thought i had been over zealous others who thought i hadn't been zealous enough. She lost her job. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:41:48 And the fear of being exposed and the harassment that will inevitably follow. had communities of mostly gaming communities who just objected to something a female actress did in one of our videos and you know they would go after them in such a violent and like horrifying way um so it just seems like you know even though she though she's not being dramatic when she says that she's worried about that. And like the way that online communities go after people, especially like men's rights activist is pretty. It's wild. It's crazy. As bad as you assume it is, it's oftentimes worse than that. Yeah. I mean, there's people who are opposed to this list for certain specific reasons. And then there are people who are opposed to this list who track down people's parents' addresses because they're upset. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's a, it's a real
Starting point is 00:42:54 thing. Yeah. And her thing was, you're saying like her intention from the jump wasn't to like, it wasn't meant to be a weapon or inflict consequences. It was just basically there as like information for women to decide themselves if by like looking at this are they around these people is it like are they willing to put themselves uh like in any kind of danger based on what other people are saying and yeah and it turned into like yeah the first thing i heard was like it's people were kind of spinning and it's like oh it's like the fucking it's like a list of all the people who are evil and must be dealt with when it was something that was started with a completely different intention yeah because from what i've heard about it there were a lot of people on the list for like
Starting point is 00:43:33 terrible violent things and then there were also people on the list for still bad things but it's like oh this guy makes weird comments and so then she also she that was fascinating in her article she said like it's also i was hoping it like a garden variety resource for someone to just figure out, oh, is it worth some weird comments to look at this gig or not? I can make my own decision, and that's useful. You know? Yeah. Also, the very first thing on the doc is, this document is only a collection of misconduct allegations and rumors. Right.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Take everything with a grain of salt. If you see a man you're friends with, don't freak out. So, yeah, there's a big disclaimer that I don't know. I think it's pretty responsible. Like that's not written in a small type at the bottom. Right. At the top. It's the first thing you see on the doc and it's written in big red letters.
Starting point is 00:44:21 on the dock and it's written in big red letters. It's just a shame that like Harper's was going to name her like that. And it forced her to do that when there was something kind of started with the, with the, with, you know, with the intent to help and protect women from some of these men, I would say with the intent to help them protect women.
Starting point is 00:44:39 And I think that's functionally what they were doing. Like, I don't, I think the idea that it was a dangerous thing is kind of, I don't know. I get the concern, but it really seems like based on the sort of landscape that she lays out, it seems like a valuable tool. Because the other version is nothing like what i still don't see what women have to communicate with one another like communicate this information to one another other than informal whisper networks right and again and that was her whole thing was that those whisper networks are inherently flawed and can exclude people who this information might also be of value to right yeah uh super producer anna hosnia did you
Starting point is 00:45:30 have something you wanted to drop in here um yeah basically i feel like this list is very important um and these kinds of lists exist through small much smaller subcultures like comedy groups, anywhere where there's like a group of women who have to work together and have potentially creepy males around. These lists come out and they're sent around. I've received lists like this being like I booked this podcast and women just want me to know who has accusations against them and who has been known to, you know, be a certain way. And I think it's – they're everywhere. Women know. Women – we are organized. We know who's out there.
Starting point is 00:46:14 We categorize. These things will always pop up. And I think for whoever to say that this is dangerous, it might be dangerous, but it's also incredibly important to have these lists. And they will always exist. If women are here, we know who you are. We might not say anything to your face, but we know. One thing I know about women, they don't like to talk to each other about anything. Oh, very rarely.
Starting point is 00:46:41 No, but I mean, like, so let's also look at some of the other alternatives we haven't talked about yet. So you're mentioning these smaller, more informal kind of networks or lists that people have. This just seems like a central repository for people to share the information with one another. The other way that these are being adjudicated that probably is more dangerous for people is by people publicly making the accusations on Twitter or on social media. And, you know, that person immediately being, you know, shamed and presumed guilty. This is like the privacy of this and like the anonymity of it, I think, is a very valuable thing to be informed but not act. You know, someone can tell me someone is problematic. And it doesn't mean I'm going to go up to that person and be like, you.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Yeah, you're problematic. Yeah. It just knows that I know to be – protect myself a little around that person. I'm not going to go after anyone. I just now know who I should spend maybe less time with. Maybe someone I don't tell where I live or someone I don't, you know. Or just stay after hours with. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Or reevaluate how they move and just kind of be aware of what kind of ulterior motives they might have. And I mean, this thing was immediately incredibly, and to her, she said, shockingly popular. Like she, the really eye-opening experience for her was just how common this was. were to see both the people who they would accuse of something being on that list, doing the exact same thing to somebody else or just other people doing the exact same behavior that like someone else did to them. So I don't know, like the seeing it from her perspective made me think, OK, we need something. We need something that is like this. And if it's not this, it's got to be something else because I mean, there is an absolute need for this sort of
Starting point is 00:49:12 thing. Yeah. Also it is somewhat like therapy to see that someone else was maybe harassed by that same person. So you don't feel as crazy. It almost, you feel like okay yeah you're right i wasn't over exaggerating when i thought this guy was being a little weird like i wasn't just overthinking it like oh no he has a behavior that other women have seen and there's something it makes you feel better right yeah and she goes on to mention that like how the document is clearly like cathartic for the women who are using it because they were able to encourage one another. And yeah, it basically – yeah, because for so long we were just not having this discussion out in the open. So now it's like we're at a point where we're like, oh, how do we have this discussion out in the open? And this is a step towards figuring that out to create the transparency and accountability that we just need to protect people from predators.
Starting point is 00:50:03 accountability that we just we just need to protect people from predators. Right. She she points out that, you know, the thing that we're finding out in this whole post Weinstein world is that the current situation is untenable. Nobody should have to live in the way that we've been living up to this point. Right now, just to quote her, we're being challenged to imagine how we would prefer things to be. And this feat of imagination is about not a prescriptive dictation of acceptable sexual behaviors, but the desire for a kinder, more respectful and more equitable world. Like you need to create tools that will enforce that kind of behavior. And I mean, a point she makes is that, you know, the document is not just an end in and of itself. It's a tool for, you know, women to communicate with one another. And, you know, if a guy's name is in red, they highlighted names in red where the behavior
Starting point is 00:50:59 was violent. And if six different people are reporting it, you know, then that's an opportunity for them to come together and, you know, pursue some sort of real world action. But again, she's just being very respectful in the way that she's suggesting that's done. It's not it doesn't seem like it's this mob runaway mob mentality. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a quick break and we will be right back fantasy football fans the nfl season is here and now is the time to get ready to dominate your leagues the best way to crush your opponents this season is to listen to the nfl fantasy football podcast come hang out with me, Marcus Grant, and my pal Michael F. Florio as we give you all the info you need
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Starting point is 00:55:22 And it was was connected to the list. So, you know, that's that's the job she lost, and it was connected to the list. So that's fucked up. We'll look into that and see how they justified that, I guess. But Super Producer Nick Stumpf was pointing out that it's, I guess, understandable that people would look at the list and think, OK, that's a shitty thing. That's like a blacklist type thing. But, you know, once you read her account of things, it's almost impossible to view it that way. So I would say no matter who you are, just read read her account of the list. account of the list i i think i think this should be made like a social media tool and her article describing it should be like the terms of use but and i think just required reading especially even for men to even understand what how something like why there's a necessity for something like
Starting point is 00:56:18 this and i think that i just and it's just to be required reading for everybody i think especially men too because i think there are a lot of men who are easily just think, oh, why are women getting together and talking shit about men? Dude, no. You need to read this because we have no way to actually hold people accountable. So these are like organic safety nets that people create. And so that's how this happens. So please read it. It will be in the footnotes.
Starting point is 00:56:44 Footnotes. Thank you read it. It will be in the footnotes. Footnotes. Thank you, Jack. All right. Now let's move on to how right I am about everything. Oh, congratulations. Yes, victory. Flawless victory. Now what is it today, Master O'Brien?
Starting point is 00:57:01 No, so this thing that I started talking about, I think I started talking about it on the dry runs of when we were just practicing this show and not releasing it. It's why the Curb Your Enthusiasm – we created the Curb Your Enthusiasm music sting for your conspiracy theories because of this. Right. So my theory was that – so there was this whole controversy people may remember from there that's my conspiracy theory music that completely undermines and makes fun of me as a serious person uh thank you conspiracy theorist uh as a serious serious conspiracy theorist uh so there was this uh story over the summer where uh american diplomats in in Cuba were claiming that they had been attacked by sonic rays. It was very interesting. I read like everything I could get my eyes on about it because it sounded like some of these spy weapons that we had speculated about in at Cracked and like that DARPA was supposedly working on where you would like have basically lasers of sound that could like target people
Starting point is 00:58:05 and like totally fuck with their heads um and basically the idea was that these people were having being targeted by invisible sound rays or sound weapons and then they were starting to like lose their hearing and like lose balance and like having all these really strange uh you know strange uh symptoms so the but the more i read about it the more it reminded me of another thing that you end up seeing a lot if you read and write about history which is mass hysteria and mass panics it it just seemed like the science behind the uh weapons was too vague and or impossible. Yeah, not backed by any existing weapon. Anything that existed.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Any existing science, essentially. And somebody pointed out that a lot of the symptoms could also be associated with aging. Like it was like loss of hearing and feeling like feeling tired, feeling tired. It's like, yeah, that's kind of how I feel every day, too. I'm very old. You are in my 60s nurse. He's doing it again. Dottering on about Cuba.
Starting point is 00:59:21 I'm imagining like James Bond thinks the villain is torturing him. I was like, no, that's just I think you're getting up there, man. What did you do to my back? What did you do? Exactly. But yeah, so Cuban scientists are now openly declaring that they think the U.S. diplomats are suffering a collective psychogenic disorder, which is a mass hysteria. Now, the U.S. Department of State has claimed that, you know, it's still an attack. And now
Starting point is 00:59:53 they've moved over from sound weapons to they're claiming that it was like some sort of virus that they infected people with. I still think it's a mass hysteria based on the fact that, you know, these sorts of symptoms have been reported by diplomats in, you know, in Russia during the 60s at one point. Like, this is a thing that for whatever reason seems to happen to diplomats. And, you know, they get this sort of weird physical mental thing that overcomes them and suddenly they report that like a hostile nation is attacking them through the walls. It's funny because like it seems like the State Department really wants to be able to be like they're attacking us. So it's like it's sonic weapons and it's like that doesn't – it's like well then it's – they're poisoning us. Right.
Starting point is 01:00:43 That might not be it. So it reminds me very much of like how a lot of, you know, sort of these weird witch hunts happen. They're like, hey man, her emails about Benghazi. What about Uranium One? And then that doesn't stick. And it's like, well, what about this next thing? It's like, okay, look, we don't really know what the hell is going on with these people yet.
Starting point is 01:00:59 Yeah. Right. Yeah. With these conspiracy theories running through the diplomatic corps, at least the state department can look up to President Conspiracy Theory to make them calm down. Right. I wonder what Alex Jones has to say. We'll have to see what
Starting point is 01:01:12 Alex is saying about this. You know where it is. And then lastly, we just wanted to talk about the controversy surrounding Lana Del Rey's new, wholly original hit. Do we have a sample of the song?
Starting point is 01:01:28 Yeah, so I guess just to set up, right? She out of like nowhere is like, I'm getting sued by Radiohead, and they're trying to sue me for 100% of my publishing, which is rare. You know, because you usually can't claim that you 100% own a song if you didn't do anything to create it, even if it is derivative. You 100% own a song if you didn't do anything to create it, even if it is derivative. So she said that she's getting sued because her song Get Free, which is like a deep cut on her album, sounds a lot like Radiohead's Creep. So we will let you decide. This is Lana Del Rey's song Get Free. Finally, I'm crossing the threshold From the old and new world
Starting point is 01:02:11 To the reveal of my heart Lana. So, Lana, cut it out. Yeah, look. Lana. I mean, we already know that she is a pop music robot made from the existing parts of old celebrities that didn't work out. But now if you listen to Creep, just take a listen to Creep. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:02:34 Maybe it sounds similar. Yeah, that's the same song. It's very similar. Yeah. So now a lot of people are saying like, oh, this is the new Blurred Lines or whatever. But those lawsuits are kind of different because Blurred Lines, they were suing about like the vibe of the song. Right. Which definitely – and it was very much the vibe.
Starting point is 01:02:59 With Creep, they're like, this is like the exact same melody. Even though the key is different, the intervals between notes are nearly identical. Right. So that's sort of their point. And, you know, the Radiohead's label, they're like, look, we're willing to solve this outside of court. Like, we just – but we did notice the similarities. And Lana Del Rey is like, well, maybe the courts will have to decide. So it's kind of a weird thing.
Starting point is 01:03:23 No one really knows why this is happening because usually when artists sue each other, it's over big songs because they know there's a check involved. Like the publishing, it's lucrative to own a piece of that publishing. This is like a deep cut towards the end of the new album. So it's kind of – It's kind of Tom York just being like, if you're going to steal from us, at least pick a good song because he hates that song so much. He probably –
Starting point is 01:03:43 It's like what Star Wars theme is to John Williams. Right right exactly he's like enough can't stand it yeah um so yeah keep your eyes on that i mean you i don't like i don't know do you think lana del rey still it sounds pretty similar uh oh i'm just going on record yes yes okay great um so i hope you will do be arbitrating uh do we do at the same, you know, many great artists have accidentally copied off of other people. Like George Harrison apparently got sued for that. What's that song called? I think it's My Sweet Lord. Yeah, My Sweet Lord.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Yeah. It was a Motown group. It was similar to it. Yeah. Apparently, like, they played the song for him in court and he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely sold it. I didn't remember it, but yeah, I definitely sold it. Like a lot of times people will accidentally, you know, steal something. Andrew Lloyd Webber once got sued for copying the melody of a popular song.
Starting point is 01:04:41 And then he won the case by pointing out that he had an even earlier song that he was ripping off. So he was ripping himself off. Oh, so the people that were suing him for ripping them off in fact ripped an earlier work of his off. He could have sued them for ripping him off in the first place. Ripception. Exactly. I like how the defenses start to turn self-insulting.
Starting point is 01:05:03 Like, well, I don't know how to play the piano. So how about that? Exactly. It's great. Alex, as always, it's been a goddamn pleasure having you here. It's good to see you. Yeah, it's good to see you, man. Where can people find you, listen to you, hold you?
Starting point is 01:05:20 Oh, boy. Not the last one at all. I'm at Alex Schmitty on Twitter and then on Cracked. Yeah. There's a good podcast, I'm told, called The Cracked Podcast that people should check out. Miles, where can people follow you? You can, well, find me holding Alex. But also, you know.
Starting point is 01:05:39 Well, he is allowed. Nobody else. Well, we have our own podcast. Yeah, yeah. But if you're more interested in the social media, Twitter, Instagram, at Miles McRae. You can follow me at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter. We are at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.
Starting point is 01:05:53 We have a Facebook fan page. Just search Daily Zeitgeist. And we have a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where you can find all of our episodes and the footnotes. Footnotes. Thank you. dot com where you can find all of our episodes and the footnotes footnotes thank you to all of the episodes where we link off to articles and just various sources that we use for
Starting point is 01:06:12 the stuff we talked about today and that's going to do it for today Miles do you have any music you would like to play us out on yeah maybe we'll go out on the song that Radiohead ripped off to make Creep. You know, it's called The Air That I Breathe by the band The Hollies.
Starting point is 01:06:30 Just so you can remember, they sued Radiohead because they said, you're ripping us off. So it's a big merry-go-round of ripping each other off. This is The Hollies with The Air That I Breathe. And we'll be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. Talk to you guys then. If I could make a wish I think I'd pass Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes No sleep
Starting point is 01:07:11 No light No sound Nothing to eat No books to read. Making love with you has left me peaceful and tired. What more could I ask? There's nothing left to be desired. Peace came upon me and then peace made me.
Starting point is 01:08:01 So stay silent, angel, go to sleep Sometimes all I need is the air that I breathe And to love you All I need is the air that I breathe and to love you. All I need is the air that I breathe. Yes, to love you. All I need is the air that I breathe. Please Please Please
Starting point is 01:09:03 Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please
Starting point is 01:09:04 Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please
Starting point is 01:09:04 Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please
Starting point is 01:09:04 Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Please Peace came upon me and it pleased me So sleep, silent angel, go to sleep Sometimes
Starting point is 01:09:25 All I need is the air that I breathe And to love you All I need is the air that I breathe Yes, to love you All I need is the air that I breathe Sometimes All I need is the air that I breathe And to love you
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