The Daily Zeitgeist - Dr. ManhatTrend Is So Dope 10/07: Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Oct. 7th Protests, Toxic Fandom, Joker 2

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

In this edition of Dr. ManhatTrend Is So Dope, Jack and Miles discuss their respective weekends, Donald Trump's return to Butler, PA (feat. Elon Musk), anti-war protests around the globe, toxic fandom appeasement and the underwhelming box office performance of Joker 2 and much more!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I learned enough small talk to know to just like follow the score and then be like, ah, it's this goddamn pitching or what happened to their bats? Their bats fell asleep, huh? Oh man, what's wrong with these bats? They call Bruce Wayne. Yeah. What is this? The bat cave?

Because the bats fell asleep here. Is that? That's probably not what. What is this Wayne Manor because the bats fell asleep what is it what is it three in the afternoon because I think the bats are asleep what am I what is it what am I what I what I just watching that first game though too I was like watching Yamamoto pitch even though he wasn't on the team last year like we, we just don't do well when we get smacked in the mouth early on, like when it's in the postseason.

And we end up being, well, yeah, there's like barely pulled it off like in game one, but we'll see. There's a different energy, like another city that has, or like even another team, like the Mets, if they start having postseason success, it's like this wave of like energy and excitement. But right with the Dodgers, it's just like disappointed expectations. Like if they you're just like, especially now, yeah, you're just rolling in being

like they better fucking do it tonight, you know, and yeah, is that a trend with all it's almost like American professional sports. It that's just what happens to like, yeah, there's just momentum that builds. Yeah, that it's it's never about like you have to truly be an underdog for like your whole fan base to be like that have that kind of mental resilience to be like, no, we're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. Yeah, there is something has to like switch in the whole like dynamics, the metaphysics of like baseball

fandom for like them to just not feel like there's like pressure on them is like my kind of vague psychoanalysis on like what's wrong with them. I love that look. And yeah, we're going gonna throw shit at you from this Start I mean, it's still I'm pretty sure Dodger Stadium is like the worst place to go to if you're not wearing a Dodgers fan Yeah, you could go to like a Beyonce concert and wear like a twins hat and get jumped somehow Like just because it's that Dodger stage.

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Yeah. This is a production of iHeartRadio. It's the show where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness. And it's the episode where we take a deep dive into American shared consciousness. And it's the episode where we tell you what was trending over the weekend. Yeah. We also tell you a little bit about ourselves

by telling you an overrated, underrated, I am Jack O'Brien. That over there is- Jack O'Brien. Mr. Miles Gray. Oh wait, I'm Miles Gray this week, yep. You're Miles Gray. I'll be playing the part of Miles Gray this week.

Thank you so much. I'm actually Miles Gray's understudy. But I'm, I'm. You're nailing it by the way. Steve, you're nailing it. Thanks so much. This Miles is incredible. Thanks so much Banjo Eric.

Really looking forward to another sick week talking about Arsenal and weed. That's yeah. Yeah. That's pretty good. Pretty. You're nailing it. Hey, it's me, Miles Lakers, yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. Pretty you're nailing it. Hey, it's me, Miles, Lakers, weed, Arsenal, Japan, rap, sneakers. All right, you gotta go cold brew. Thanks for that producer, Brian. I mean, Brian, the editor.

Fuck, I'm getting, I'm still learning the part. I'm still learning the part. Yeah, yeah, that's Brian, the editor, but we'll, we'll, we'll fix that post, man. And we'll pitch you up a little bit. My favorite topic, cold brewed coffees. All right. Miles, I'm doing quotes. Let's let them get to know us a little bit better by telling them something we think it is underrated. Something we think is overrated. Aaler's choice, where you wanna go? Let's do over. Over first.

Yep, yep. See? Yeah, let's do it. I like to, look, I'm playing the part of Miles, I'm just letting my wings just spread wide, and I'm saying let's just do it reverse order. Let's go. Let's go over.

All right, you wanna start? You want me to start? Why don't you start? Okay, so my overrated is the scariness of being chased by a fast guy versus a slow guy Okay, so Logically, I should be more scared of a person who is fast and trying to kill me Sure, and I should be of Jason Voorhees who is fast and trying to kill me. Sure. And I should be of Jason Voorhees, who is slow and trying to kill me when I watch that movie. You know, that's the he's slow. He's relentless, kind of lumbering.

And even like when I think about the parts from scream where it like takes me out of it, it's when Ghost Face looks like he's in a hurry. By the way, he's brought to you by Halloween. This being the spooky month of Halloween. I've been thinking horror movies. Yeah, when you see him kind of physically trying to be like, oh, you had to you had to kick in an extra gear, huh? So it almost feels like.

So do you do this normally? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Why are you trying so hard? Why are you so fussy, man? Why are you seem so nervous? You kind of clumsy cutting around those corners, my man. Yeah. Yeah. When he's running, that really fucks me up. But that takes me out of the whole screen thing.

And then like the fact that it took us 50 years to invent fast zombies or however long, you know, it took us decades to invent fast zombies. Zombies were just slow, lumbering, but incessant, you know, determined to get them brains to get in them brains. So I've always been wondering about that. And I kind of just attributed it to, yeah, they look like a little silly sprinting around in a hurry. But I just I do feel like there is something bone deep about like what is scary

about Jason walking after you with determination. Right. So then and this is another this is another edition of Jack shares what he heard on a kids science podcast over the weekend. I will not apologize. what he heard on a kids science podcast over the weekend. Valid. I will not apologize. I heard this episode of Radio Lab for Kids about how our ability to kind of relentlessly run down prey.

It was the thing that like put us in a position where we could like have enough calories to like grow our brains evolutionarily. Like the way we hunted was just by moving at a slow steady pace after animals that could like sprint away. Yeah, just working them down. We had just eventually after hours and hours of like tracking them, they would, you know, be exhausted. And we would just like walk up to their keeled over

exhausted forms and just like calmly smash their brains in with a rock. Like that was what our ascension to the position of super predator looked like. And the reason is actually so. So my very loose theory is maybe this is why humans walking are scarier than humans like sprinting is because it's just like a slow, steady approach is like we know somewhere deep down.

We're like, oh, yeah, that's that's bad. And also the secret weapon is like we're sweaty. So animals, most animals can't dump heat the way we can because they don't sweat. So the animals that we were able to get, like they pant. Right. So panting and running, you can't do those two things at the same time. So I also wonder if that's maybe why wet people are scarier than dry people.

You know, what do you mean? Wet people are scarier. Don't you think like horror movie like Jason's always wet? I feel like dry horror movie villains less scary than wet horror movie. I guess it doesn't. For me, the wet part. I'm like, whatever, bro, you're gross either way. Like it's like a hat on a hat at that point.

It's like, oh, you're a killer and wet. Right. I'm like, brother, the fact that you're a killer. Yeah, I'm more personally, I'm more freaked out about the fast zombies. Because when I put myself in that situation, my brother, I don't fucking cardio for that. And then I'm like, that's a fucking rap. I can trick myself into thinking like I could have maybe out with the slow moving like killer force, but it is definitely like, you're more logical to me for some reason, just like from the start, I've been more scared of slow people.

Then like just, and maybe it was because I started watching horror movies too, too early and that's why but Theory is it's because we are Scariest when we're slowly relentlessly pursuing something and and we know that at some level Well, I think there's also something seem like metaphorical to about like our our issues We have like as humanity where we have these slow moving problems that eventually might kill you. Mike, get it.

I don't know, man. It ain't like the other ones are fast moving ones. We'll deal with those real quick. Right. The slow man. Whatever. And they're typically the scariest ones. So no, I see there's there's a there's a logic to this.

But Jason could also be a metaphor for climate change. I see that as well. Everything is these days. Anyway, my overrated is masculinity. Um, I was, is that a karaoke bar? Okay. And I was going to the bathroom in a urinal. Another guy comes in, goes to urinals down from me, leaves the middle one open.

I get that if you're, you know, there's one person there and maybe you don't want to cozy up to someone. But then like a couple of younger dudes came in and there's an open urinal like, oh, dude, I got pissed so bad. And like the other dude joking is like, dude, hey, go ahead right there, the middle one between these two dudes.

And the other guy was like nah dude you know the rules and they were like yeah yeah it was so weird i thought they were joking but then like i had finished pretty like by the time they had said that like i was just finishing and then the other like the other guy next to me had finished and then they just avoided the middle urinal and just started p and i was like what the the fuck is this shit? Like it was like a weird internet meme come to life. These guys are like maybe 22, like early, early, early 20s, early 20s. And it was like half joking, but in a way where I'm like, bro, if you have to piss that bad, what is the point of like evoking some weird like Reddit image you saw? Or it's like, what's the perfect urinal or like, Oh,

you will become beta fied if you go to pee. It was just a very odd moment. Like I keep having these like moments in public bathrooms where I'm seeing where society's going like the same way when I was at that soccer game and the dude was like, Hey, English or Spanish, and was doing that whole like joke meme. I explained it where they say like, they say the first person to speak is gay. And so they would do these videos where people on the street would just be silent.

Because like, I'm not going to be the one who loses this. And I was like, in real life? Really? We're doing this? And the toilet, the fucking urinal thing. Because someone is in the stall probably doing drugs or some shit. Because that shit was not open. And then, but it was just weird to then see this like I knew it wasn't totally serious, but it was serious enough that their first instinct wasn't to immediately relieve themselves in an open urinal. Right. Nah, man. You know the rules.

You know that's I've seen in a meme. They're like that's you dog. That's you. That's you bro. And then like me and this other guy, I think we were probably closer in age, like left and I'm just like washing my hands and like, Oh, and then they, they go to P and like, dude, I had to piss so bad. And I'm like, okay, sure. Um, masculinity maintained, maintained. Now go back out there and sing whatever you're going to sing or don't sing because I wonder if you're one of those guys like, dude, that's for this for females, bro, to belt out a tune.

Yeah. Did you see if those guys ever went up and sang anything? I completely was just like, God, like, just throw that on the pile of weird things I see every day. Um, so anyway, yeah, just go to the bathroom. It's just also weirder to hear people debate about which urinal to use in a bed. It's just all very strange. And it's all, we all pee man. We all got to pee and that doesn't change who you are fundamentally based on where you go. And if you happen to be next to another person with a penis

while it's happening. Yeah, it's all right. You're gonna survive. It's all right kids. That's why when I go, when I go to the bathroom with a friend, we hold hands next to each other. Well, yeah. You know, just to let people know that high five constantly.

Nice. Oh, that sounds strong. Yo, give me 21, two, three, four. Yeah. All right. My underrated is just kind of old shit in the zeitgeist. I was seeing a lot of like old shit in the old shit being in the zeitgeist. I was seeing a lot of like old shit, old shit being in the zeitgeist. Obviously, on this podcast, we track like newer stuff, news stories, things that are happening right now in the zeitgeist. I wish there was a more consistent, easy way to track like what

was coming through the zeitgeist that was all old and like inexplicable. Like I was just randomly over the weekend seeing a lot of like Beatles jokes and Beatles like observations on Twitter for some reason. Like there is yeah, the Beatles like that that band like there is like but white album jokes jokes about Paul McCartney White album just like what do you mean? They were talking about like rocky raccoon like that song Okay

and then they like somebody else like Posted a clip from the white album and was like this song like is it's so weird that the song like goes So hard and the Beatles are so square and then there was like a joke about like paul mccartney versus john lennon's like songwriting style and I don't know. I just feel like what when we think about Does like guys we think like about what is happening in the news and then it seems like sometimes Everyone's just randomly talking about the same thing for no reason Right, you know like it's just like a song gets randomly stuck in everyone's head randomly talking about the same thing for no reason. Right.

You know, like it's just like a song gets randomly stuck in everyone's head at the same time. And I just like wish there was some good way to track that. And like, I don't know. Like, I'm sure a smarter person could use that to predict like the upcoming election. But like, I just I don't have a theory. I don't know why randomly everyone was thinking about that album this weekend for some reason. Yeah. I think it's like one of those things where it's like if enough people have enough foundational knowledge on it and it sort of

there's an upward trend. Well, because you know how Twitter works. Like once shit starts popping, then everyone kind of gets their take off to sort of, you know, get in on like the fun of whatever the trope du jour meme du jour is. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I wish I knew enough about the Beatles to have made sense of that. I was just like, what the fuck are the, why are we talking about this?

Bye. Why is this motherfucker talking about this? Why is this guy talking about this dude? I gotta piss so bad. The Crip Keifer tweeted Lennon song, show me the source of the leak that drips and turns Why is this motherfucker talking about this guy talking about this dude? I got a creep. So bad for tweeted Lenin song. Show me the source of the leak that drips and turns honest men weak. McCartney song. Terry, the plumber is an honest man. He'll fix your pipes as fast as he can.

Tempo change. It's pipe time. Key signature change. Type of change. Tempo change. He loves pipes. He loves pipes. Just a weird random observation about how silly Paul McCartney's ass is when he's writing a song about that. Yeah. Um, amen. All right, Miles, what is something you think is under under rated, which comic book character appeals to you and what it might say about you? So you take a quiz this weekend.

Yeah, took a lot of quizzes because they all kept coming up with not characters. I liked it all. I'm saying I was Jubilee and I'm not Jubilee. I'm Dr. Manhattan. That's right. So I've been watching WandaVision and it's pretty good. I've been saying that, I think, for the last couple of weeks. And I like that again. I appreciate that. I don't need to have seen every single MCU thing or know every single MCU thing to enjoy it

That's like one of my favorite things about it, but it's also it's a fun watch But I was also like when I watch I'm like, yeah, dude vision. Hell. Yeah, dude. That guy's cool He's super powerful. He like keeps it cool and he's not like tripping on some ego shit super powerful and he like keeps it cool and he's not like tripping on some ego shit. And then I was like thinking back, I was like, I also, when I was first getting into the watchman, I was like, hell yeah, dude, Dr. Manhattan, this dude, Fox. But then as like, I was in getting into therapy and sort of interrogating things about my own self, I was like, yeah, why do these robotic, emotionless, hyper powerful figures appeal to me? And again, when you do enough introspection, and it was just something,

because like this wasn't something I worked out from watching WandaVision, but I just remember like that sort of a human thing where it's like, this guy is cool. And then I was like, wait, you know why this person's cool to you, right? Because I think the first thing, like I've been pretty, I'm always somewhat at odds with the fact that I'm pretty introverted. Like I can be, I'm like an extroverted introvert because at the end of the day, for me to recharge, I cannot have people around me. Like I have to be, I have to, I have to fuck off to Mars like Dr. Manhattan does. And you're like, where'd he go? And I'm like, I'm sorry, like, I just can't be around anyone.

I need to just sort of, I need to center myself in solitude at times. And then the other thing was the robot, robotic part of these characters. These characters seldom voice their own emotional needs. And this was something that I struggled with for many years because I, you know, culturally and, you know, being like a man and also coming from cultures where being vulnerable is not a huge thing.

Talking about your emotional state isn't, it wasn't as normalized as it should be. And I had to do a lot of work to do that on my own. I was like, oh, right. That's something that I've, that's always been sort of a cause of and solution to my problems, which is the lack of voicing my emotional needs. And so as I watched it all, it was just kind of funny to see that thinking reemerge as I see another comic book character. And I'm like, this guy's built on AI,

but he has technopathy and all these other cool fucking powers or whatever. But he's not, he's struggling. The humanity is not really there. Did your therapist ask you like what fictional characters you identify with or that just like kind of came up in conversation? No, something I realized

because I remember when I first read Watchmen, I was like, dude, this guy is fucking dope. He like, cause I'm like, in a way I was like pumping myself. I'm like, sometimes, dude, people are just tripping about shit. And I'm like, these are like human problems, man. Like you got to see the bigger picture. Like not everything's worth tripping over. And then I was like, oh no, I'm not addressing anything.

Like I'm just acting like things don't affect me because it's easier to do that than to like really sit down and try and work something out. So it didn't come up that way. Although maybe when Watchmen, I kept bringing up Watchmen in therapy and she's like, wow you really talk a lot about Dr. Manhattan. Made her address you as Dr. Manhattan. Yeah exactly, exactly. I'm like, you know it's pretty cool though because like he could like he could do anything he wants yet he's not not fully evil. You know what I mean? I think that's pretty cool. Also, he's just omnipotent, omniscient, all that kind of stuff.

And I'm not gonna take the fact that both your overrated and underrated could be read as you wanting to show people your penis as anything other than quinn. Yeah, they were bald guys with their dicks out. Um. Um. Um.

Um. I. I thought another dark part of my personality. with their dicks out. You had been at that uh, you had been at that for 45 minutes. Pants all the way down around your ankles. Oh yeah, out, butt fully out. What's that thing on his butt? It's a hydrogen atom. Got it tatted on my yeeks. That's right. Yeah. I do feel like, yeah, that, I don't know. I feel like that should be a therapist question. It's like, and who are the fictional characters

that you most identified with growing up? And you would just like learn a lot. The modern person who I think has learned to sort of process a lot of things through comic book characters, it probably is telling like I, like I thought Wolverine was cool, but I was like, no, bro, this dude's out of control.

Like, and he's kind of gross. Like that's not really me. And then I'm like, oh, the flying sort of like ascetic religious person who's like simplified and wise. Like I was like, that was trying to hold that up as like a thing. But anyway, yeah, check it out. Let us know on your who's your favorite character, comic book character. And what does that say about what and what's your fucking problem? Yeah.

Yeah, I do feel like if future historians are not too bored by the American Empire, they'll probably look at superhero characters the way that we have looked back at ancient Greek myths and be like, ah, yeah, they were real fucked up, huh? Right, right, right. Anyways, cool. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about some of the news that happened over the weekend Hey everybody the time has finally come This week starting Monday, October 7th going daily through Friday, October 11th

Bowen Yang and I Matt Rogers are unveiling the iconic 400. Yes, these are the top 400 people in all of culture and we're unveiling all of them. Number 372, Nancy Kerrigan. Why? We will never really know. Why? We have worked tirelessly on this list.

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A family man, former NFL player, devout Christian, now cut off from his family and connected to a strange arrest. I am going to share my journey of how I went from Christianity to now a Hebrew Israelite. I got swept up in Kabir's journey, but this was only the beginning in a story about faith and football, the search for meaning away from the gridiron, and the consequences for everyone involved. You mix homesteading with guns and church and a little bit of the spice of conspiracy theories that we liked, voila, you got straight away. I felt like I was living in North Korea, but worse, if that's possible.

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And Donald Trump returned to Butler, Pennsylvania for the first time since the assassination attempt. And the resulting rally was about as insufferable as you'd probably imagine. Um, you began a speech with, as I was saying, and everyone was like, yeah, he's got a new bit. He starts off the rally with, as I was saying, as I was saying, the late great Hannibal lecture, what the fuck? the late great Hannibal Lecter. What the fuck? Oh no. Oh no. Yeah. You brought out the Sunday Times kind of did a summary of what his speech

was like. Yes. And it's pretty like, I think this is the first sort of honest summary of a Trump speech. I think a lot of, yeah, a lot of news outlets that aren't the New York Times and tend to report a little bit more on the progressive end of things or just more objectively have been like, when is, when are they going to actually be like, this guy is, this guy is suffering from a decline and you guys are just, just going, just, you know you know glazing glossing right past it not glazing necessarily But the Sunday Times they said this is what it said quote he rambles he repeats himself He roams from thought to thought some of them hard to understand some of them unfinished some of them factually fantastical

He voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth He did he digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his own beautiful body. He relishes a great day in Louisiana after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that North Korea is, quote, trying to kill me when he presumably means Iran. As late as last month, Mr. Trump was still speaking

as if he were running against President Biden five weeks after his withdrawal from the race. Yeah. So then they go on to say that they're the overall the piece is just saying like the rhetoric is just so different than the first run at President. He had it's more long winded more disconnected more rambling coarser far more prone to swearing. So it's just like a, it was like the, you know, one of those first times that they're really articulating

this idea that like not everything is well in this guy's head. He's saying things that don't make sense and he's running for president and could potentially win. And we are one of the most consequential news outlets in the country. So maybe, maybe there, maybe that's the October surprise. We noticed Donald Trump's mental decline and it's like, that's not a surprise. None of this shit is making any sense. Yeah. So that was the content of, you know, what he presented. There were reports that the rally would be structured to honor Corey Comparator,

who was the guy who died at the last rally, rather than focus on Trump. Undercutting that theme slightly, Trump did a flyover of the rally in Trump Force One while the theme music from Top Gun was blasted. Jesus, I heard about this. And it's like not even exciting because it's not like a jet. It's like anyone who lives near an air like near an airport to an airport, you're like, oh yeah, there's a thing. Wasn't even like buzzing the ground obviously, who knows? But wow, okay. Trump Force One.

The event did feature some mentions of comparator, like one guy live finger painted an American flag behind his image for some reason on stage. Which like I've seen that like live painting thing be done, but it's usually like, you know, you're painting a portrait or something like that. And it's done quickly. But this was it looks like a finger painting the guy did in the background. It was also like the kind of thing where it looks like the guy had pre painted a portrait of comparator. It's a photograph of comparator or a pre drawn thing. And then he painted the background, the American flag in the background and then revealed the that it was.

Yeah. And I was like, oh, OK, this is cool. Sure. I mean, because the other thing that happened in the late last week was there was there was like leaked audio of how Trump kept making jokes about comparators widow. Yes. Yeah, yeah. He's like, I had the check for her, you know, millions of dollars to just to help her. And you know, she said, this is all fantastic, but I would just love Corey back. And I don't know many people who would have said that with the check for that much in

front of him. You know, a lot of people probably wouldn't. And he kept like he did a version of that, I think, at the RNC, like lightly did it. And people are like, ooh, what the fuck, dude? So yeah, great way to honor him. Yeah. But then he was also doing it at like fundraising dinners with like a bunch of millionaires and billionaires. And comparator was, you know, a blue collar

working class guy and also just kind of undercutting the solemnity with which they were treating him. J.D. Vance opened his speech by saying, I believe it is as sure as I'm standing here today that what happened was a true miracle, which is kind of which part? Yeah. You know, I mean, the right guy got the let's just say, you know, was it was as a miracle. Look, don't do you believe in miracles. Right. And I hope you do. You always have a friend wearing lifted shoes. Hey. But yeah, then there was like a moment of silence that was so,

it's like disrespectful even to the concept of a moment of silence. Truly a moment. Yeah, a mo- just a moan. Not even a moment, dude. A fucking moan of silence. Here's where Trump has asked the people, hey, you know, is to commemorate at 6-11 when the shooting occurred, you know, that's, they wanted to mark that moment with this moment of silence. That was truly a moam. At this time, it is 6-11, 12 weeks to the minute that the Shooting began. I would like to ask everyone to join me in a moment of silence Don't and then they start playing Ave Marie

Yeah, sure, I don't know do you need church? Yeah. I feel like it's silent, isn't it? Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting this. It's a moment of silence. If it was possible for him to cover the silence in gold, let me paint. He would have done it. You know, it's just he's got to put a hat on a hat on a hat. Yeah, you can buy this Trump golden moment of silence for $49,000. It has 120 diamonds in it. VS one clarity. Yeah. Well, good for him. So yeah. And then of course, the big thing that got people's meme engines revving was Elon Musk showed up in an Occupy

Mars t-shirt wearing a custom made dark mega baseball cap and started jumping around like an excited toddler in the candy aisle of Costco. He really does that shit. Like I've seen him do it so frequently. Like when he's coming out at like his little, you know, corporate pep rally things where he comes out and everybody's excited to see him. And, you know, he's within the comfy confines of of his cult. But this, yeah, he's still just out here jumping with his hands in the air. Looking looking pretty strange.

He really and he had like his dark maga hat on. He's like, come on, Eli. Then Trump was kind of like mumbling through his name. It's the jumping that really is. He's bunny hopping. Take over, Elania. Take over, Elania. Elania Trump, everyone. Yeah, the way he jumps, it looks like what my kid watches Miss Rachel videos. You know, they're like, hop little bunny, hop, hop, hop. way he jumps it looks like when my kid watches miss Rachel videos You know, they're like hop little bunny hop hop hop and he's like we we is full hot And there's you truly no one can jump with that kind of joy

I think they need that's kind of what's pissing me off. This guy genuinely looks like he's like yay But is people were zooming in on his eyes If you look at the picture that we have in the dock if you look at his eyes, there's a pain behind them. There's a hurt behind it. Well, he knows he's about to land. And this is, he jumps like once a week and push it is not, not probably not easy on that body. Just, if you look at this, just his face,

it's a very strange like expression for someone. I get that it's a photo, but just like mid jump. There's something it's like a doll's eyes. I think that's what I'm saying. It is like a doll's eyes. Yeah. So, you know, he was there. He got to do his shit to and be like, this is the most important election for me financially. Yeah.

But then made it, I guess, kind of about the people that were at the rally. Yeah. He said it will be the last election ever if Democrats win, which is obviously a wild thing to say while supporting the guy who actively tried to overthrow the last election. I, I, I will say though, for all the quote unquote celebrities that come out to be, to get their like MAGA on on a stage He probably got the best cheer

When he first came out. Yeah, people are like, whoa, it's someone I recognize who's relevant right now Rather than someone who is a celebrity 45 years ago And they're like, you want you want but yeah, he got he got his he got his he got to jump up and down and say a bunch of bullshit. So we'll see if that helps. We'll see if that helps expand the map. Yeah. Jake the snake, everybody. That was the other option. Jake the snake robbers from WWF.

Remember him? We've got him and oh, shit, Elon actually made it this time. We've got a we've got Elon Jake the snake. Elon actually made it this time. We've got Ailey, we've got Elon, Jake the Snake. If you remember Yokozuna, he'll be out here later. It's all going to be a fantastic moment. Fantastic moment. All right. Anti-war protests over the weekend dominated. Yokozuna died. Oh, wow. Didn't realize. I know I had to look up if Jake the Snake was still alive.

Yeah, I even I was like, Yokozuna, I feel like Yokozuna died when I was a kid. Yeah. Oh, man. Didn't realize. I know I had to look up if Jake, the snake was still alive. Yeah, I even I was like, you know, because I feel like Yokozuna died when I was a kid. Yeah. OK. OK. Yeah. The White House marked the one year anniversary of October 7th by, you know, croaking out the same bullshit about Israel's right to defend itself with kind of only a cursory mention of Palestinians, no mention of the fact that much of the world spent the weekend protesting the ongoing genocide. And yeah, countries across the world just saw massive anti-war protests over the weekend,

including London. I think there were tens of thousands who turned out to march for peace in London, which as it was reported in The Guardian, what a headache for the police. But yeah, yes. What a headache for the police. And yeah, I mean, this was it wasn't it was every pretty much most nations had some form

of protest happening. And DC looked like a guy attempted to self-immolate and was his arm caught fire and then he was pretty quickly extinguished. And colleges are also, colleges are back in session and they're doing things like canceling interfaith prayer vigils if guest lecturers have had anything negative to say about Israeli policy.

But then like Yale has been Shapiro on for how quote, how October 7th broke America's college campuses. Very much needed, much needed this year now at this time. But I mean, like, wow, you know, reflecting on a year of this, I'm just struck how used to death we have become, you know, more than anything, because we Americans already had this unique sort of callous built up on our souls where, you know, we can school shooting after school shooting. It's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I guess that is what it is. But I mean like now when you look at the scale of what's happening to Palestinian people, and you know, with the kind of clarity that we have in terms of the morality of it all, it's really it's bone chilling. And Western media, colonial media has created an environment where sympathy can only move in one direction. Anything else will be seen as an act of violence. Last week, right, I think a lot of people were talking about when Ta-Nehisi Coates was getting grilled on the CBS morning show because he showed that there's a line you cannot cross in sort of the mainstream accepted discourse because in his book he's

he was treated like a criminal basically during this quote unquote interview for merely saying that you know in my book I talk about how I went to go see what the situation is with Palestinians and how the Israelis are governing. And what I saw with my eyes was a modern apartheid state where ethnicity was the basis for whether or not you were granted basic rights. And for that, it became very clear to me that what was happening was not complex in the basic terms of who is granted humanity and who is not, who has rights and who is not. And that reaction I think just reminded, I think reminds me and I think most people see that to be able to acknowledge the humanity of

Palestinian people is just still a bridge too far in most places. I was watching like MSNBC this morning because I was very curious what the MSNBC version is of October 7th things. And you were just sort of treated to solemn interview after solemn interview, whether it was parents of someone who was taken hostage or rabbis talking about like what, you know, the pain in their communities, which I think is all valid. I understand that. But what, what had happened was it was the complete erasure of Palestinian people and their experience

throughout all of this. And we've like, we just have this, this a great American habit to look at a situation and be like, we know these people are dying, but we aren't going to talk about it because we have to manufacture as much consent for what we want to do in terms of what our policy is and what the military industrial complex wants. So complete, I mean, like I'm sure Netanyahu has probably

brought a tear to his eyes to see that it was merely, there was like a near total erasure of what Palestinian people are going through in terms of like what the one year coverage is. And we have an administration too that is a constantly making the worst decisions in regards to this genocidal campaign and It's become absurd to the point that like not even having a near super majority of Democrat voters Saying when you pull them like what what would you like see done? Stop arming Israel comes up as one of the top things that that's not even enough to move the needle in any meaningful way one of the top things that that's not even enough to move the needle in any meaningful way. So like with this system too, and I think as a lot of the times, you know,

I've seen a lot of write-ups too from foreign policy people have been like, you know what the Harris administration could do to differentiate or what needs to do is we have to have some kind of accountability for the fact that we absolutely have failed. The Palestinian people is that you realize we have this, we have a right to vote, but I'm not sure we have a right to vote, but I'm not sure we have a right to representation, which I think there's a real big difference there because we talk about our ability to vote. But how many like when we look

at what is happening, what is our ability to have our our values represented? And that's I think a place where we just fall terribly, terribly short. Yeah. I was kind of struck by Harris campaigning with the Cheneys at the end of last week as Israel's all out assault on Gaza and now Lebanon continues. And just, I was reading something about the exploding pager attacks and the way that they justified it by being like, you know, or at least implicitly, I don't know if they've even admitted it was them, but they were like, yeah, but they were the bad guys. And so basically they can do anything. And just how reminiscent it is of the war on terror that America waged, you know, like young children were blown up and killed by those pager explosions.

But it just it really feels like we're in the aftermath of that original war against everyone who looked guilty to America. And at a time when America was like really not trying to be discerning. Now, you know, truly. We're like Iraq. Yeah. Let's go there for nine 11. Right. Okay.

Yeah. That, that works, but it just feels like once you do some evil shit like that, you don't just get to turn the hose off when your blood lust is quenched. You know, you've created a precedent which Netanyahu has like used has been like, what about you guys you guys did this shit too right which yeah like you're saying is why it's so extra urgent for someone to do something to stop it and why it's extra frustrating to see the Democrats who are refusing to do that instead campaigning with like

yeah war criminals yeah like yeah yeah, Dick Cheney, we love him, don't we folks? I mean, that's the thing, Netanyahu was a huge supporter of the Iraq war. He said that 9-11 was, when asked what he thought of like what 9-11 would do for, in terms of like US-Israeli relations, he said, oh, it's very good.

Right. And he's like, in that there was a lot of like, then he clarified sympathy, obviously, for like, what what has just happened, because he's saying in the, like, the horror of a terrorist attack would create a lot of flexibility in terms of, you know, it's implied a lot of flexibility in terms of the violence that could be inflicted when retaliating. And now it's like the thing that is really to that point, right, about you saying that this is a continuation of the war on terror.

Just look how much the rhetoric has changed from October 7th, 8th of last year when it was Hamas must be eliminated. And now we have the White House saying Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah, Iran. It's just expanding now because again, like just like in terms of how Netanyahu was looking at 9-11, it's like when you have something where there's a loss of life to civilians, you kind of get carte blanche to do some shit in the name of retaliation. It doesn't even have to be logical, but you can use that. But at this point, I feel like for a lot of people, the sympathy has been exhausted to the point where now we're looking at, you know,

obviously there's like the figures that the news will say that like it's close to 42,000 people that have been killed in Gaza when realistically that number is probably in the six figures when all said and done because that's just stuff like where you could you could find someone that yeah now we're talking about an expansion of hostilities and you know, then America's doing the thing. People are like, well, obviously we're not, we don't think all of that's good now.

But who's to say at the end of the day, like you said, there's this country definitely, once they get a taste of it, it's very hard to stop it. And yeah, that was like what it was really alarming about that statement from the White House was like the number of groups that had been named, like identified by name in connection to October 7th as a way to manufacture consent

to like increased hostilities was very, yeah. It's just amazing that they didn't end with et cetera. And so at the end of that list, right. With like an asterisk where it's like, you know, this lineup may change at any moment, like a f*****g festival concert, like festival lineup for Coachella. Yeah. And I get that this is the anniversary of the loss of, you know, thousands of innocent Israeli lives and like, you know, like you said, this, you know, those lives need to be mourned. I just, you know, there are so many innocent lives being lost elsewhere that are just

not being acknowledged really anywhere in the Western media. And this is what, this is what Ta-Nehisi Coates was pressed on, saying, well, you know, do these people not lose their lives? He said, he's like, I'm not negating that at all. But those voices and those perspectives have been well represented. They're available to people very easily. These other ones are not. And I think it's less about necessarily the specifics of October 7th and more like,

do we take a macro view of how this country operates? Anyway, foreign policy or even domestically, the same way that people have to vilify people of color who are killed by the police, there's a way where it's like the sympathy flows in one direction. And if someone loses their life and it's at the hands of the state or the state is involved, then you have to find a way to distance yourself or get people to distance themselves from the victims humanity as well. And that's, I think as we see our problems become, you know, more intense, that's like a huge, huge flaw that leadership wise that has to be addressed because I don't, I still do believe in the good in people to take care of each other. Although it comes out at the worst of times when

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We're back. And one story. As I was saying. As we were saying. As I was saying. So Variety over the weekend published an article about the problem of toxic fandom and how the studios behind big franchises have been responding to it. And it feels like they're just like feeding it in some ways.

Like they do have measures in place to like protect talent. If an actor is portraying a character who is challenging a franchise's status quo, studios now will like take over their social media accounts entirely like with their permission. And if the actor is threatened, which they so commonly are, security firms will be hired in order to like scrub their info so they're not docs and like protect them in some ways. But then the other part of this strategy is to just like, try to not piss off the people, it feels like, like the toxic fandoms. So they've been organizing.

Yeah, it feels like MAGA shit. Yeah. Or like Republicans. They just they're like, fuck, dude, but what about the freaks that are going to yell at me on Twitter? Yeah, I'm going to completely abandon every principle I had in the creative process because a bunch of fucking Losers were getting up doing Twitter polls about like Star Wars is too black now Yeah, it's like the New York Times response to the rise of mega, you know being like how do we interview? How do we need to write people who will who will talk to us?

So studios have been organizing focus groups featuring, quote, specialized cluster of super fans who can view marketing materials and even suggest changes if a project isn't finished yet. Which, like when you think about it, so the biggest fan complaints that we've gotten in recent years, like the ones that they're thinking about include, um, you know, stop putting black people in star wars and women shouldn't be allowed to be ghostbusters, uh, a fictional job invented by Dan Aykroyd in the 80s, presumably on a lot of cocaine. So I can't imagine a worse idea for the creation of art.

Like, it's not art. That's not art. You know what I mean? Art is an act of self-expression. You don't see, like Picasso wouldn't go up. I mean, not that he was like, imagine, right? Like a Rembrandt, someone at the top of their game going on stage to paint live for people and every stroke they look at the eyes and go, huh?

Huh? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Warmer. Warmer. Okay. Okay.

And then they're like, draw a fucking circle. Well, but I, I do realism and I can make lifelike things that may give us a commentary or something or maybe the contorted figures represent something. Just draw the fucking circle, you fucking freak. That's my favorite shape. We lose something by not having, not to say like, I mean, I'm not going to be in like, dude, these, these are our highest forms of art. But in the sense that the act of creating something is inherently artistic, that you won won't be able people won't be able to interact with something that At least gets them to think not even saying they're like, oh we cast this person of color to get you to think they did that

Because it's reflecting the world around you right that it's not and that the industry is not inherently so like white dominated I mean it still is to a varying degrees, but there are moments where we get something that resembles equity. So then it'd be like, I don't want that. You're just saying just overall, we're like, okay, well, we're ceding to the forces that don't want progress at all in any form. So, yeah. Let's listen to the people who have made past iterations of this work an unhealthily load bearing part of their personality and ask them what should happen. Right.

Like, yeah, I don't know. It just seems like a bad idea. Will presumably just result in franchises producing less diverse media. Of course. And will only make existing problems worse. But the thing is they're going to do the thing where they'll they're going to they'll acquiesce to this nonsense. The product becomes stale. It doesn't fucking sell anymore. Then they panic and don't know what to do. And then they got it. I mean, I don't know.

Maybe this was just hasten the evolution of things to come. And maybe you can like let go of fucking IP where people are like, my grandfather's version of that character was a clan member, what have you done? Right. You know, like what the fuck? Like this is, I don't know. So maybe there is a positive part to it

that like we can do away with some of these things that have become, like you said, so integral to people, like their personalities or their media diets that we can maybe create some space for something new, because like, yeah, I think I'm a big Star Wars fan and I don't need no more Star Wars right now. I know. I think we're good here. I'm so open to seeing something new like the new Star Wars.

That shit would even fucking that will fuck me up even more, whatever that is. But you could see Disney being like, we'll get ready for new Star Wars. You're like, what? It's just new coke. Basically, yeah, right, right. Yeah. The same Star Wars, but with better CGI. It's the little twist. Sorry you did that.

Yeah, it just feels like when we like did the story about the article on like what's killing Hollywood. And it's a lot of corporate ideas getting integrated into the big studios, I feel like we just more and more need to assume that we're going to be seeing diminishing returns with these massive studios and look elsewhere for our art. Because the one way that they can respond to like what you're talking about and like do a course correction is like by just like stealing something

made by independent creators. Right. So that's, I think what has to be our hope because I don't think they're going to be like, ah, well, this isn't working. So yeah, let's figure it out. It just seems like they're, their decision is to when something isn't working quite as well, just like triple down and focus group test things. Uh, within an inch of their lives.

Yeah. Just get, just again, it's, it's, it's the thing more corporate one. What's your corporate ethos is killing your work? Uh, go more quick, just like pedal's the thing more corporate one. Which is so funny. Ethos is killing your work. Go more quick, just like pedal to the metal on that shit. Don't embrace the thing that created your industry to begin with. Right. Which is like embracing new ideas, creativity and like doing other stuff. And again, I think that just speaks to because of like the corporate capture

of the industry that it's now just purely become a money-making endeavor That has to be able to be done formulaically that you get formulaic content Yeah, well speaking of formulaic content or not dude or maybe not maybe groundbreaking the Joker sequel Joker fully a ducks I think is how it's pronounced fully Duke's French Duke's Duke's Foley a ducks. Um, I think is how it's pronounced fully French Dukes. Um, Dukes, Dukes Manny's was number one of the box office, but it made $40 million. They were expecting $70 million and the first movie made over a billion dollars total worldwide and cost 55 million to make this movie somehow

cost 190 million dollars to make and appears to be on track to not even make its budget back. It's around the same. So it's opening weekend box office take was around the same as what Morbius made. The Jared Leto Spider-Man universe, but without Spider-Man movie Morbius. The fans hate it. I always keep saying the fans are like, it's a fuck you to fans. And I'm like, why is it because they weren't expecting a half-baked musical?

Right. Yeah. Is that what it was? Because, I mean, I don't know. But Todd Phillips made it clear. It's like, bro, what you're getting, dude, is some wild ass revolutionary musical shit. Yeah. I have not seen this movie yet. So I don't, I can't speak to what Todd Phillips has done here.

But it, I mean, it is kind of funny to have this story following the last one because I'm sure the Hollywood reaction is like we should have focus group test of that shit and just like taking the movie away from Todd Phillips and built out the Joker verse instead of just letting Todd Phillips do whatever he wanted to do. According to audiences, this thing is a turkey. It is the first ever comic book movie to receive a D rating from cinema score, which is like the thing where they pull moviegoers after seeing a movie and kind of get a aggregate of reactions. And it's usually a pretty good indicator of like how a movie is going to do, like if it's going to hold well. So in addition to having a bad opening, it feels like this is going to hold particularly poorly. And this guy won an Oscar for the first one. You know, like contrast it with that. That first one got Joaquin Phoenix an Oscar and I guess comparatively a B plus on cinema score. So B plus to a D

Sounds like sounds like the summer. I started smoking weed and I yeah, it sounds like sounds like we need to talk to your parents Yeah, yeah Yeah, the fact that it's the lowest score ever is like just think about how many? Dog shit comic book movies there have been. Right. Like the worst one prior to this was 2015's Fantastic Four movie, which got a C minus. This is a flat D. Damn.

That's a D flat. It's a D flat, man. So I don't know. A lot of people are saying like the takeaway is that it seemed to go out of its way to alienate the first movie's fans replacing you know the incel coated Kirkland brand Scorsese vibes with musical numbers featuring Lady Gaga. I was talking to somebody who saw the first one or just saw Joker do and Joelle I'll call Joelle Joelle has her takes out there for anybody to see.

Yeah. She, when I was, we, we saw each other on Friday. We all got together and, uh, I, I'm, were we talking about that with each? I know you were around anyway. We look, we all got together as a family as we was around lingering. Yeah. But I was like, Oh, tell me about, you know, Joker too. And she was like, it's just so strange.

She said it was just so weird because it felt like fundamentally Todd Phillips doesn't understand what a musical is. Like songs just came out, like people just breaking the song with the weirdest moments, not even in a way where like, when you watch a musical, you're like, I feel a song coming on type of thing. It's just like, and this part was sung

just apropos of nothing. So even, I guess, even if you went as a musical fan, just not even that part was delivering. So it sounds like a few mistakes all around. Yeah, I feel like maybe the problem is less like, wow, they didn't pander to fans and more that he made a musical and seemingly had didn't know what musicals were before he made the musical.

Like we talked before about how his quotes was like the movie's not really a musical. The characters just kind of start singing when they're like overwhelmed with emotion and like just basically described a musical. So it feels like maybe he had just like not seen one. Todd Phillips, also an old school filmmaker, in the sense that he steals from older filmmakers and also treats, treats sequels the way they were treated in the seventies and eighties, like back at a time when like a sequel was just like, look, like, what do you want?

This is going to be a complete cash grab. It's a sequel. We were just going to do the same plot. But in this time, the airplane is going into the sun. You know, right. We'll just call it another 48 hours and it'll, it'll be literally that because in the past I mean the hangover part two one of the worst sequels I've ever experienced so maybe he's just he's not the guy to put in charge of the sequel to his massive you know that was the last time like he captured the pulse of America with the hangover and with the Joker. And then both times he used his grasp on our pulse to put everyone in a sleeper hold immediately after the sequel. So it's he went into it like really feel I'm just I'm reading this like interview from like I think right before like as they were getting into production and

He was just like why do something if it doesn't scare the shit out of you, right? I'm addicted to risk Yeah, I made a school. I made old school, dude. I'm addicted to risk and road trip. You feel me? He's like, I mean it keeps you up at night It makes your hair fall out but it's a sweat that keeps you going and like yeah broadly that is what you'd want Like you want yeah, I wish studios did things that scared the shit out of them But then to read it all and have it come back to is like yeah, I don't know. They say he's singing some songs I don't know. Is it bad? All right. Well, it is what it is. Maybe he was commenting on our ancient

Predatory ability to run animals. Exactly. It is the sweat that keeps you going. Mm hmm. Yeah. Anyways, I, uh, he started speaking with a French accent, like as he was making this movie, I feel like that would be, uh, that would be in, in keeping with what I know of Todd Phillips.

It's also so funny, too, like he's for his like artsy sort of like, you know, he's like, yeah, dude, I'm kind of like a fucking risk taker, you know, when I put it, he's like, you know, at the time, these are like the comedies that were like, oh, dude, these these things fucking are dope. He like I guess he was always at the at the Chateau Marmont, like writing as if he was like Jim Morrison or something or blue She kind of thing and like that's where he was writing like old school apparently like that's hold up at the Chateau Which is basically like a Disney World feature of the Chateau Marmont at this point.

Yeah, it's just exactly. Yeah. Visionary. Yeah, I guess you could say that. It's like nobody. Nobody said that word. We know it said anything. You just came into the room and said, visionary. I guess you could say that as I was saying, this is an interview where I'm going to ask you a question. Okay. Okay. My bad, my bad, my bad. Go ahead. Go ahead. Those are some of the things that are trending on this Monday, October 7th. We are back tomorrow with a whole last episode of the show.

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