The Daily Zeitgeist - Elon Makes Being CEO Look Very Hard, Pollsters: Don’t Trust Us! 11.08.22

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

In episode 1368, Jack and guest co-host Joelle Monique are joined by host of Beauty Translated, Carmen Laurent, to discuss… Election Day: Nobody Knows Anything, Get Out And Vote, If Republicans Win Its Bad, Elon Musk Really As Incompetent As We Suspected, Wendell And Wild Too Good To Be Buried by Netflix and more! Election Day: Nobody Knows Anything Pollsters Have ‘No F*cking Idea What’s Going to Happen’ This Election If Republicans Win Its Bad Elon Musk Really As Incompetent As We Suspected Wendell And Wild Too Good To Be Buried by Netflix Why Would Netflix Bury a Film as Wonderfully Imaginative as Wendell & Wild? LISTEN: 4EVA (feat. Talvi) by LapaluxSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Many different state fairs, man. I'm moving. I've had my share, man. I'm from everywhere. I'm from Eugene, West Virginia, Dayton, Philadelphia, Jersey, NYC, College in D.C., Boston, Missouri, Lexington, Kentucky, also Lexington, Mass, Yorktown Heights, LA County.

You know, it could keep going and going. Shout out to Johnny Davis for the I've Been Everywhere. Jenny Cash, a.k.a. Appreciate You. And I am thrilled to be joined today by a very special guest co-host the producer behind shows like fake doctors real friends and welcome to our show you've heard her on pop culture happy hour the comic-con meta pod it's the brilliant the talented joelle monique so good to be back how are you jack i'm great i'm great it. It's great to have you here. Thank you. In rainy Los Angeles.

Rainy, cold Los Angeles. Aren't you loving it? We have weather, right? I get to wear my little cozy coat. Little fur-lined coat. Yes, it is real fur. Oh. No.

That's not true. It's real sweatshirt interior. I was going to say, get your paint cans ready. I hunted a real sweatshirt interior. Get your paint cans ready. I hunted a real sweatshirt. But it's great to have you. It is nice to have a little seasonal weather here. And then I'm hearing from all our friends across this great country that it's unseasonably just everything. Unseasonably cold and rainy here.

Unseasonably warm, I'm told, in New York City, and our guest can tell us a little bit about that. We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a very talented podcaster from the NextUp Initiative and soon to be a member of our team, your team. She was formerly a trained esthetician, but since completing the program has moved to podcasting full-time, hosting an iHeart show called Beauty Translated, which is a brilliant, wonderful show all about celebrating the trans experience. Please welcome back to the show, Carmen Loray! Hi! How is everybody doing?

How are you doing? Doing well. As you said, it is unseasonably warm here. Unseasonably everything. I don't want to turn the air conditioning on though. Yeah, so you're just sweating it out? Yes, I'm suffering through it. All the windows are open. Yeah, we're just going to bear through it. Yeah, it's so cold in Los Angeles.

I think it's like in the dang 50s. I just like to throw that in there to enrage everybody around the country. I think unseasonably warm weather in New York is like the 50s right now. All right. Well, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment, Carmen. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. It is election day. Nobody knows anything when you hear this. Nobody will know anything as of yet. It's just time to get out and vote if you haven't done the mail-in voting early.

yet it's just time to get out and vote if you haven't done the mail-in voting early but we're going to talk about the how little the how how little of an idea anybody has as to what is what is going to happen ahead of this and why that seems to be a trend that is doubling down it would like after after 2016 i think people are like oh well they'll just correct for that you know they'll just they'll they saw a mistake that they made and they'll they'll figure it out and now the polls will be accurate again and then it happened again in 2020 the last midterm polls were somewhat accurate so that's at least one piece of solace for poll watchers but at the same time that also just fucks you up even more because it's like oh so it's maybe the polls will be accurate it adds like even another twist to all the all the different things that could be happening so we'll talk about that

we'll talk about why if republicans win it's very bad and therefore everybody who is not voting republican should get the fuck out and vote. I do want to talk about Elon Musk. I know it's... We can do it. We can do it. It has to be done, I guess. It's really been like watching someone talk shit about an NBA player,

be like, man, he should have shot that, and then they throw that person into the game and they have to play basketball even though they don't know what the fuck they're doing like his tenure as ceo has been just repeatedly getting owned and like he's he didn't even like have a thought before he took over as to like what he was going to do it seems like he's like trying to make up. Yeah, he owns a ruby mine, a sapphire mine, some precious gem mine. You don't have to worry about consequences.

Well, it was emeralds, okay? Which are more valuable. All right. So leave him alone. Yes. Yeah, it was funny that like the first thing of being like, well, pay for your verification, which is the silliest thing I've ever heard

because verification has a very solid point. A lot of things came as a result of verification. Yes, there are clout chasers. Yes, it bumped people up to the top of replies and that definitely has an impact on circulation of that tweet, et cetera. But its initial founding was just to be like, hey, this person actually

exists. This is the person you think you're talking to. That was the point of the blue check. Yeah, this is William Shatner. Exactly, exactly. So it's A for safety, right? Because, you know, some actor who now, of course, I can't remember, recently posted about how in the pre pre-dawn of social media he was on a kid's show and all of a sudden these parents were like hey you're talking to my kid and now they're missing what's going on he's like i swear to god i'm not talking to your kid i don't know what you're talking about and it turned out somebody was using his name to like groom children that's horrifying yeah horrifying and so he makes a really good point for like why we need a blue check mark but also when you have people paying for it the all the other things past safety that came with the check mark

now no longer hold any value yeah foolish so yeah it's a fucking mess joe i don't know what's happening over there i do not know but i do like have you seen how people are sort of retaliating and naming themselves elon musk yeah and have you seen how he's retaliating we'll get into it but he's just straight up forgotten everything he was saying about like you know comedy is back on twitter baby yeah comedy's back uh he's a free speech absolutist and then he's like but unless you make fun of him, in which case, yeah. We're going to talk about a movie called Wendell and Wild, which you might not have heard of. And that's a problem. So we'll talk about that.

Joelle, you saw it at TIFF. You're going to give us the inside track. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Carmen, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? All right. Well, what I've been searching is uh pokemon scarlet and violet leaks yeah so the game the game leaked last night and that means like somebody got

an early copy of it and they're basically uploading photos from the game online because a lot of stuff is under wraps right now so i've been checking the subreddit for that constantly just for new updates to see new pokemon so what are the good ones what have you seen that's like oh i'm catching that immediately oh uh well there's this one called smallive okay and it's like a little olive, and it evolves into something called Dollive, which is like a little olive doll looking thing. So I'm super excited about that. So cute. Cutest overload. I love it. So when a new Pokemon game is released, there are new Pokemans who are introduced.

So that's what is exciting besides there just being a new game. Yes. And especially in this generation, they're doing this whole future and past thing. So they're taking old Pokemon and giving them, what would you call them, archaic forms. And they're taking old Pokemon and giving them future forms and stuff too call them? Like archaic forms. And they're taking the whole Pokemon and giving them future forms and stuff too. So a little bit of new and then reinventing the wheel a little bit.

I like the cute outfits and the new towns. I like when I get my bike and I can just ride around through a field, catching things. It's just, it's so simple. And then you get like a little happy tune and then you just collect without having to spend money, which for some of us is a challenge.

So I really appreciate Pokemon being there for us. Yeah, the game comes out in two weeks, so it's going to be so fun. I'm personally in the process of... The Pokemon wave is coming with my four-year-old and six-year-old like my six-year-old's friends are talking pokemon yeah he just like hasn't gotten interested in it and so i'm just like i'm gonna have to do a deep dive i'm gonna i'm gonna you know have to know what any of this shit means in the not too distant future but for now

i am enjoying the brain space that i get to devote to things that are not pokemon don't be the dad that calls everything pikachu okay there are many different versions you should learn at least 50 of them and maybe get him like an old school game boy. So he could like really get down on some of the classics, but also, okay. Card shops all over LA. There's a ton of them here. You can go and get like vintage.

Some people still like your whole binder. Sometimes they'll do like 10 mystery ones for a dollar or whatever. Just get, get him some cards. He do have to play the actual game. Yes. And he'll be hooked. And then you'll have a fun way to interact.

He could teach you the game. You could just play'll be hooked. And then you'll have a fun way to interact. He can teach you the game. You can just play it. It's fun. You know, it's not looking at another screen. It's also a good introduction to predatory capitalism. Because when you're like six, there's like the seven-year-olds who are like, yo, let me see that card. Here, I got this one that I'll trade for.

Yeah. I mean, that's what baseball cards did for me when I was his age. So, yeah, it's coming. I love it. I'll be studied up the next time this comes up on the Daily Zeitgeist. Or maybe I won't. Maybe they'll just go in a different direction. Minecraft is the other thing.

Oh, for sure. What is it? Roblox also? Roblox, I knowx i know but like that's the newest thing really everywhere like just even even trick-or-treating like we get a thousand trick-or-treaters like every halloween and we had some friends over who were you know like eight years younger than i am and but they were calling out all the pokemon costumes by name like they you know i i got pikachu that was the one that i recognized but they were like calling

all of them out and i i guess you know 90 of the costumes that i had just been like oh it's a funny little guy that was that was what i thought it's's a funny little animal thing. That's cute. Oh, you're like a little dragon thing. We're actually Pokemons the whole time. And I'm a fool. But anyways, I'm going to work on it. This actually goes back to, I used to run a site called Cracked.

And our editorial team was all just right on the brink of like being too old to know about pokemon and then even like the younger ones didn't really like we just had like a editorial bias where they were just like not in on pokemon and we like had multiple meetings where we were like we've gotta i think we a hire for pokemon to like get coverage in the pokemon world because we're just like so bad at this a lot of lists to be made for pokemon oh yeah that's hilarious yeah i forget that pokemon appeals to children at this stage like i forget that it's like made for children and i'm like oh oh yeah kids like this kids don't know nothing about classic poker you didn't have to buy a light that shined into your game system so you

could see the screen at night okay you don't know you don't know how difficult it was collecting those early packs in a band at school it's a struggle to be a part of the system okay well hopefully i reminded you that there's some easy trades to be made because you can just prey on these kids just getting into it. They don't know better yet. What is something you think is overrated, Carmen? Well, I kind of hinted at this already, but I think, and I should say this applies to my current weather conditions and I don't like to be hot okay but I also don't love AC I'm one of those people that if I feel AC blowing on my skin I'm like instantly cold so for like the past month it's been very fall it's been I haven't had to have any AC on and I've been

loving it windows have been, fans have been on, all of that stuff. But now that it's 80 degrees, I'm really like, dang, am I going to need to turn this AC on in November? And I don't want to, but yeah, I don't love, I'm one of those people that is very sensitive to sensations. If I feel like cold air blowing on me, I'm uncomfortable. I'm definitely the kind of person who it'll be 100 degrees outside and then we turn the AC on and then I'm under the blanket. Under blanket. Yes, because I have to protect myself from direct cold. But also I don't want to be too hot and then people think I'm weird and maybe I am, but I just don't like, I'm with you, Carmen. I don't like it. It should always be like a temperate 70.

Any room I'm in, please don't expose me to extreme weather. One way or the other, really. I hate to be freezing. I don't appreciate sweating. Like, I really need the earth to get it together. It's a lot. It's really not the earth's fault. We as people need to get it together.

Victim blaming the Earth here. Jack, you're your dad on this podcast. Are you touching the thermostat? Are other people in your house allowed to touch the thermostat? I'm pretty. Oh, yeah. I consider it fortunate that I'm allowed to touch the thermostat in my house. But it's yeah, we were pretty we're pretty liberal with it.

My kids love to, you know, this morning it was in the in the 50s. It's pretty cold inside the house and the kids love to snuggle up next to a vent with the with the heat on. So we had that going this morning. Yeah. So, first of all, the first your search history made me feel very old but this is actually making me feel very young because my my grandfather didn't believe in air conditioning which i don't even know what that means that he didn't i mean he was alive before it came out he's like look at these spoiled ass kids choosing the temperature

of their house back in my day we just endured okay yeah i like the idea that it's a belief system yes but yeah i don't know i'm also the kind of person who like i i'm who the the fact that you're like my toes will turn blue when when it's time to get like additional clothes on i just i think like you know toxic masculinity and all that bullshit like turned me into somebody who like doesn't notice like my own sensations and feelings for too long and so i'm just like i'm like in a t-shirt and shorts and then i'm like, oh, I can't unclench my teeth. Maybe I need to do something about it. Maybe I need to go check the thermostat to see how cold it is in here.

That's so funny. Growing up, my very black parents were like, it's wild. These white boys are just out here in flip-flops in the snow. What are they doing? How does this happen? It truly baffled them as to like what the thought process was i'm gonna go back and tell them it's just toxic masculinity it's toxic masculinity and like trying to prove something to ourselves i think probably it's a

mess it's a mess in here guys yeah fellas is it gay to be cold exactly fellas what was this thing skittles that yeah it's just like that's the whole meme format yeah that's wild what is something carmen that you think is underrated i okay this is something that my partner who i've been with for seven years has taught me and it has to do with food and I just ate lunch so I'm thinking about it but soy sauce supremacy so I never understood the difference between all of the different types of soy sauce my partner is Chinese American and we went to buy a new bottle of soy sauce the other day and I was like we were looking at the aisle there's all these bottles of soy sauce and my household was we just grabbed the kikoman or like or whatever soy sauce packets were in the drawer from the chinese restaurant and he says no no no no that's just brown bean water like that's brown salty water teach us Carmen. Yeah. So there's a whole water.

There's a whole devastating. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, no, that's just brown, salty water. I'm like, well, then what's the real soy sauce? So apparently real soy sauce is like this whole thing. It's like actually fermented. So, oh my gosh, what is it called?

Pearl River is like the one that we get it's a gold label pearl river superior light soy sauce and um i actually texted him the other day because i had a kikoman thing with some takeout that i had i was like oh yeah this is just brown salty water. You're right. She's a changed woman. Never again. It does look fancier too. I mean, obviously the gold, but even like the color seems richer just from this photo I'm looking at online. Like a denser brown than what I'm used to.

Yeah, it's rich. It's rich. Okay. Well, next time I buy soy sauce i'm coming for you pearl river yes that name is just i just want to luxuriate in that name pearl river superior light soy sauce and it comes with a gold label and everything so you have to like peel off the gold like oh i'm like learning the world of fancy soy sauce i love it i feel like i've had good soy sauce before and it like it sticks better to the thing like when you dip a

piece of like sushi or a roll in the other the brown salt water yes the brown bean water i like because it's like yeah might as well be fucking coffee man it's bad it doesn't matter but i feel like it just you know it doesn't stick it's like it's like the difference between watercolor versus like a paint yes how it actually sticks to the food that you're you're dipping it viscosity it's viscosity is the word i was looking for and failing to come up with viscosity yeah well there you go everybody pay pay attention soy sauce also a really good like ingredient to throw into things just to add flavor yeah all right let's take a quick break we We'll come back. We'll talk briefly about Election Day and Elon Musk just fucking up at a staggering scale right away. We'll be right back. Mentory series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And it is election day i'm hoping everybody who's listening has the opportunity to go out and vote or you had the opportunity to vote by mail but you know make the time the stakes are the stakes are very high i mean i guess we could we we could start off talking about if Republicans win, it's bad. We know that obviously they want to take and have successfully taken women's bodily autonomy away from them just with the one branch of government that they can control, that they currently control. So there are the big picture bad things. We also talked about how they'll make a mockery of the ability to impeach and investigate a sitting president by just like, I guess, like Benghazi-ing the fuck out of Biden and treating a bunch of just made up infractions like, you know, with the equivalent seriousness of Trump trying to trade military aid for a Hunter Biden investigation. It's pretty wild. I feel like we've kind of memory hold the actual impeachment, but that was a pretty bad thing that he did. And they're going to make a mockery of the ability to investigate him so that if he gets elected once again, it's going to be all gas, no brakes

whatsoever. And yeah, they'll continue to make it impossible for women to have bodily autonomy. One of the very few things that I feel like we've been able to feel good about in the past few years has been steadily increasing momentum behind unions and workers' rights. And the Republicans have already announced their plan to kind of attack that by basically taking the National Labor Relations Board and tying it up so that there are, I think they said there would be an oversight hearing, two oversight hearings a day on that subject. So just like making it impossible to kind of continue the momentum, like the small amount of progress that we've been able to see. And yeah, this is a trick that capitalists love to do where they cheat to make it impossible to do anything with like public money or, you know, anything on the

progressive side and then they're like see it doesn't work it's inefficient and then they're also planning to quote save medicare by raising the age you finally uh that you finally qualify for it to uh 67 and then take make social security quote solvent again by raising the retirement age to 70 so it's somehow this is you know it's it's wild because they they do this during democratic presidencies like that's that's when you're like paul ryan became really popular there or really powerful during Obama's term. And it's like you start just making it so nobody can spend any money on anything and people suffer badly.

And that kind of gets, that sticks to the Democratic president. So yeah, that's at least what they've told us their plans are for if they if they win uh it'll be much more sinister once for sure you know if god forbid we actually see this reality as it always is i'm still like reminded of like all of the filibustering to like a mad a maddening extent or worse if we like go all the way back to the obama years when mcconnell was like i'm just refusing to push this supreme court judge through which of course has now derailed us into infinity and it's just like i hope that whatever happens at the very least the democratic party because it's the only other party we have to rely on, unfortunately, step it up just a little

bit in the area of, like, we have to be civil. We are done with civility just for civility's sake. Just because this is how it's all... We have to play by different rules if we're going to survive a second red wave. Like, I just don't know

how else we do it. Fascism. Yeah. That too? Fascism. You know, we have to... Yeah. a second red wave like i just don't know how else we do it right fascism yeah like fascism you know we have to yeah yeah i i am hoping that somehow this like whatever happens in in the election translates to them seeing more and more that like the strength is with people who are maybe outside of the centrist mainstream Democratic Party. But there's just so much momentum on that. And I think I think that kind of leads us nicely into the kind of polling, the sort of mainstream media polling industrial complex. So one of the big stories that you're seeing ahead of this election is stories by pollsters, quoting pollsters, being like, we have no fucking idea what's going to happen, you guys. This is a mess. We're terrible at our jobs. jobs. Yeah, that is a Yahoo story that I think was originally from Daily Beast. But pollsters have, quote, no fucking idea what's going to happen this election. And it really seems like

pollsters have been pretty much out to sea since Trump won. And I think there was a theory of the case that they would take that initial disastrous Trump win in 2016 and somehow fix the model. But the win in 2016 and them being 100% off, just fully off in the opposite direction. Except for Nate Silver, who like was saying there's a bigger chance of Trump winning than like people are giving it credit ahead of the thing. I do think that's worth saying because I don't know, he's full of shit a lot of the time. But that was one thing that I think people

misremember as because almost all pollsters were saying that Trump was had no chance in hell at winning that he was also in there but he he's been pretty frank and a handful of other pollsters have been like yeah the the issue is nobody talks to us anymore like on either side like no we used to do polling by landlines and those don't exist anymore for the most part yeah if i hear an automated voice or even a voice i don't know it's an immediate hang up like i'm not picking up unknown numbers but on the off chance i accidentally do i don't know whose voice on the other end of that line you need to leave me a message and i'll call you back at my convenience. What, can I ask as an ignorant person,

do we need posters? We're going to find out the results anyway. What is the advantage to having people be like, this will be the result? Because there's money to be made. There's no advantage to us. Oh, it's capitalism. It's capitalism. Got it, got it.

It is the mainstream media in America's massive bias towards whatever is profitable and can make money. And it can like it's extra resistant strain because the people who are poll media journalists like went to cornell with and shit like that you know like they're they're all like in that same world where they like all pay attention to and care about the same stuff and in in a system that was operating like optimally this just wouldn't they they would have had this conversation and been like, yeah, we aren't getting this right anymore. So we should like figure out a different system. But because there's so much appetite, like all the headlines are still about what polls are saying ahead of this midterm election, because we're curious, I'm going to be looking at the fucking polls tomorrow. Like I'm,

I'm just telling you, I shouldn't be't be but like i'm going to at least like glance at them and have them affect how i feel like you know like like i'm i'm gonna do my best but i just i know that i'll have a moment of weakness to be like where i'm like yeah let's just like see what what people are saying but encourage everyone to just wait until the results are in like especially if there hasn't been any adjustment that we can see from last time we're gonna get burned so bad yeah and there has been the only adjustment there's been since last time is first of all pollsters seem to be more more honest this time because they're like really anticipating that they're

gonna fuck it up it's like a team ahead of the super bowl just being like yeah i don't know like my legs hurt it's like it could go really badly here ahead of ahead of this thing nate cone you're only allowed to be a pollster if your name is nate apparently but nate cone mentioned in one of his like poll result things that it took him two hours of dialing just to complete one in an interview so that's the conversion rate of their time oh and the only thing they're doing is phone calls to landlines yeah they have other strategies but they just like don't work as much and they can't tell because they're new strategies they can't tell how biased they are in one direction versus another and because we've eliminated communal spaces it's not like you can even go to a mall anymore and

hope to get a wide sample size yeah everything's like an echo chamber basically yeah yeah you could post to like truth social and of course you know what the results are going to be. New strategy. Go to social media, set up a poll, see what happens. Who are you voting for? Just have people vote on social media and see if you can get a better reaction. I bet if you used it with all the ad technology

they have out there to get into specific demographics, if you set up a poll using that technology i bet you could get better results than phone calls because there's no person-to-person interaction they're trying everything they i had a phone call come in where i think they were nagging me into like doing a poll for them because it was like there was some silence it wasn't it wasn't a spam likely number so i always pick those up because it could be like some like the play my kids are in or something you know like there's just like so many numbers that like i just have so much to deal with yeah so like you have to answer you have to answer one unknown numbers call just because you don't know like what it's going to be and

there was like a little bit of silence and then it sounded like a real person he was like a little bit of silence. And then it sounded like a real person. He was like, hey, this is like councilman, like said some name. Then he was like, are you there? Can you hear me? Actually, all right, I can't hear you. I'm going to call back. And then like hung up on me. And I was like, what is this strategy? Like, was it just so I would hear their name?

Is like very, very strange. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I just didn't answer when he called me back. As you wouldn't because what was... Yeah. There's a marketing team behind that.

I just want to be like, we haven't liked phones for such a long time. Like, we turned our phone into being anything other than a phone. Pivot, guys. It's time. It's time to pivot. But there's nothing good to pivot to, I think, is the conclusion of a lot of these articles. The thing that the Republican Party has pivoted to is white supremacy and aggressively going after the voters who showed that they exist and don't show up in polls in the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections. The Democratic Party is like so addicted to this what is going to make this course that the Democratic Party is on difficult to sustain is is that like they're just they can't get away from it. on the front page of the fucking paper the day like on election day hey we don't know shit that

like that's just where we're at i think they they were doing great when the people who voted were like that like read their papers like nate silver i think called everything within like almost every county in amer America correctly in the 2012 election. But that was when the Republican Party was also choosing its candidate based on who pollsters thought would be good. And like so it was like Mitt Romney, you know, it was like somebody who was like it was somebody who appealed to like nobody. But it wasn't that much difference between the republican and democratic party and it was always just two random white dudes who were like very milquetoast and we were like i guess that one oh man what a time to be alive but yeah they used to just like go

pick the candidate that would appeal to like republicans who read newspapers and now they've just like abandoned that and i think it's probably time for the democrats to at least stop listening to these same consultants and come up with a new strategy because the pollsters are here and they're telling you that it's this is not it like we we don't know shit yeah it's a mess profitable it's very profitable yeah yeah i mean it's that people want to know what's going to happen i love writing my friends checks too i get it yeah i i do think there should be a like like the way that this happens in sports is i well i guess there's also like a very dumb like sports industrial dumb sports media industrial complex where one person gets on and is like, this team's going to win, and if you say they're not, right, but they do a decent job because it's actually, you know, people with some expertise, like putting money behind it and able to make a living. line he shoots this percentage and this many free throws etc yeah as opposed to like the constantly

shifting demographics of the american voting populace yeah yeah that's true i guess that if there's money to be made like maybe they'll find ways to better like predict elections because that's just how america operates sure that part by the, while we're reading this, I'm getting a telemarketer phone call. Leave him alone, telemarketers. But they know because I answer those random calls from like the kids' school or the kids' teachers. We can get this guy. Yeah, this guy's a dumb dumb. They probably have me on like some list that's like parent willing to answer any. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll talk elon musk i'm jess casavetto executive producer of

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or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And yeah, I don't know it's gone from being like oh this is bad he this person who just bought twitter has some weird beliefs and i suspect he might be incompetent but it's it is it really is like watching somebody who's never thought about how to do this particular job, take over the job and just get fucking owned repeatedly in public just over and over. And in a way that I like can't possibly be part of some strategy like I know that very. You would like that with me if there was actual thought behind yeah they really would like i don't know like he has so many stands the

same way i i kind of lump elon musk trump and kanye into a like category of people who are taking advantage of this strange like civilizational structure we currently have with social media where you know toxic narcissism becomes like steroids to be just the most dominant personality in the world and it's good at capturing like the hearts and minds of some very lonely people it just so happens that like the hearts and minds of some very lonely people. It just so happens that the majority of the world is very lonely people right now because we're all on just social media and working, at least the majority of America. So people want to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has a lot of supporters.

But this, I don't know how it really is like an nba fan who just gets pulled into a game because they talk shit and just getting dunked on repeatedly i think this is the result of particularly in america i'm not sure how elon trends outside of the united states but in america we have this ideology of like the genius billionaire builder i mean look at how we started our marvel universe with iron man i was just gonna say but you can check it you know probably i mean there's probably someone before henry ford but that's the big icon of like my youth like he invented the assembly line he made capitalism easier because he turned you into a factory part. Isn't that wonderful?

Like he figured out how to have an effective factory floor and he raised a ton of money and he got rich and that was lovely. Vanderbilts are another good example of like, they build museums with all their money. Isn't that lovely? Like, look at how progressive that is of them. Say,

say thank you. We, we love like a white billionaire influencer, like philanthropist. That's really what we're about. And because we've made icons of these people, I think we're constantly looking for the next one. Elon made a ton of really bold claims, but it's funny to me how people stick with these folks. Like, you know, to me, if you're an Elon stan, like, did the

truck window that couldn't be broken that then got broke on stage and presentation make you take pause? Did the Teslas that are constantly on fire or the workers who you have so much more in common than you ever will with Elon who have had to constantly vocally protest their

work conditions make you rethink? it or you know like the the Kyrie Irving fans who are like we love Kyrie he's doing he thinks the world is flat y'all like I just would encourage you to consider like what else these people are thinking and doing besides what they say they can do like their actions should be speaking louder than their words and that's what is perplexing about the Elon stans of it all. There are a lot of Elon stans out there. And it's just funny to me, like he didn't even really like buy Twitter to like, I feel like he just bought Twitter because he wanted to,

well, first he was mad about like his daughter transitioning and like the free speech thing on twitter and i feel like he's just trying to like get back at people and it's not working wait say more carmen i didn't know his daughter was transitioning oh yes his daughter transitioned and he claims that he lost his daughter to trans activists and like woke, like trans woke activism and all of that. So like he, you know, he encourages like openly encourages like transphobia on Twitter now, you know, now that comedy is legal again on Twitter. Every time someone shows their ass to be a villain, it goes right back to transphobia. And that is so upsetting to me like it is wild

oh my gosh okay so even more of a monster than i initially thought and openly and just like openly behind closed doors but like among people who have worked with him openly racist oh yeah oh yeah that's not he's from south africa he owned a mine. Two and two is four, people. Truly, by the way, I just want to make sure, because you mentioned earlier that he has emeralds in his pockets, and I think people might assume that that is a metaphor, where it's like he was born on 3rd with emeralds in his pockets. No, his dad, who also monster, was like, yeah, Elon was always walking around with emeralds in his pocket trying like selling

them to tiffany's to get extra chance like extra pocket change basically because we owned an emerald mine and he knew that gave him money nightmare so yeah truly nightmarish i want to ask do you guys intend to keep using twitter have you seen Twitter change all that much in the past couple of days? I never used it. Continue. You never used Twitter? No. Well, I did for... Like, just to peek on people,

like lurk on people, but never... Because I hate that they put everything behind a wall. You know? Yeah. You can't see it unless you sign in, which I'm like... Yeah, I'm mainly a lurker too i do i just the the other solution i haven't like reshaped my life and my like way of tracking news enough to figure out like what i'm going to do but i i am getting there to the place where i'm ready to jump ship but i'm also i don't know i don't know how much like i'll probably keep using it because i i don't

think it necessarily like changes that much to just like not have that window into into the world i think it'll be interesting to see what happens once the rule changes go into effect which they pushed back to after today so after the election then new rules go into effect which i think was smart but i don't know what how much difference will they make really but just as far as like interactions i mean already you have a ton of people who are like reporting racism and they're being like this does not violate twitter rules and if we're going to go in the opposite direction of less rules it seems like there's going to be more rabid trolls and that that might impact user interactions and you know just the general joy you get on the site as somebody who's used twitter a lot i am very addicted to twitter it's where i

it's how i got started in the industry because Because despite having a degree, getting a job, it was real hard when I first got here. Twitter gave me my first couple of jobs. When I got the checkmark and verified, it helped, you know, make me seem more professional to other jobs I was applying to. So that was really helpful. I have an entire network of Black lady delegates

who are, you know know work all across this industry in many different positions that's where our group chat lives is on twitter it's weird to think i might not be returning there soon i'm definitely seeing a huge drop in like followers as people begin to exit and what's really hard is i'm trying to find a space that can replace what Twitter is for me, which is essentially a place that's like words first. I like Instagram. I don't mind taking a picture of myself every now and again. I might even hop on a video into my stories, but I'm not trying to do that on the daily and certainly not as much as I be tweeting. That's a lot. I checked out Mastodon, which is sort of like Discord in that there are different

hubs that you can join. But that seems to negate the universality of Twitter, where if you're putting it on a board, everybody who's on Twitter can see it on that board. Whereas Mastodon is segmented, I guess. It's very hard to understand. I'm trying to learn. If you feel you're an expert in Mastodon, please talk to me. Tumblr just brought news back. So, tasteful news. they were like tasteful news.

So apparently they were ready for their moment. Yeah. They knew what was up. They knew what was up. Yeah. To answer your question, it does feel like this is like there's been moments where people are like, we're all quitting Twitter. This is for sure that this feels different.

It feels like things are dissolving on there i can't remember a time where for a full week like the content has just been like this bad the conversations seem to all be about elon musk which i'm assuming is what he wanted uh in the first place but it just makes for and i don't know if that's, you know, the new regime fucking with like how the algorithm delivers tweets. But I do I do know that last night when I was checking Twitter, I got to like notice it to just Elon Musk tweets in my feed. And I've never gotten an Elon Musk being like, we want to be the place for truth or like, you know, some some bullshit mainstream, like kind of appealing centrist take. That's not the reality. I think it's so true what you were saying about Iron Man. I put Elon Musk in the same category as Jeffrey Dahmer as these two figures who the zeitgeist dreamed up at the same time that like Hollywood was creating a figure that everybody wanted. I'm still I think he was just a lazy person who didn't like clean up a lot of the dead bodies and he might have like tried a piece of like one of his victims but like the when he was being questioned he the police really wanted him to be a cannibal and it was right after Silence of the Lambs. And so he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me. I'm a cannibal. Like, the evidence isn't that strong. It just seems like he was a terrible alcoholic who was like, just had the way that, you know, I'm sure a lot of alcoholics like don't clean up after themselves and just have like, you know, things from work strewn all over their apartment. This is racist killings all over. Yeah, just racist murders all over the place.

Oh my God. It is like refrigerator and, you know, but so that's like my this is not a popular theory, by the way. But this is I've always I've always suspected that. And I've never been able to, like, find the like, you you know the evidence that it's like yes he definitely did and not that he was just taking advantage of a thing and it's just so weird that like america had their big cannibal serial killer right after silence of the lambs was like a hit it's like okay i buy into this theory jack you're blowing my mind but i buy into it because police will if they think you did it they'll especially if you're a person who has any kind of like

learning disability or mental disability or if you're like an addict who's currently in the throes of your addiction like they lean on you in such a way that you'll confess to you know whatever it is they're talking about and especially at that point if you already know you're screwed like you might as well go out with a bang. Like, yeah, I'm the person who eats people. Don't fuck with me when I get to prison. We'll take a bite out of you. Yeah.

That makes sense. And Elon Musk came up right around the same time as Tony Stark. He was just somebody who was very successful in business. Despite what their revisionist biographies will tell you the only skill of almost any big ceo that becomes a billionaire is that they take advantage of their advantages and they find a weakness in the system and exploit it repeatedly until they have more money than the system intended them to have like when you look

back and like to a person go person by person it's just finding a weakness exploiting it over and over and over again until you have way way way too much money and then they write these stories where it's all about like well i had this vision and you know i did it all by myself and it's actually like no you were just like in the right place at the right time around the right people. Got very lucky. Took advantage of your work. Took advantage. Stepped all over people and wham, billiard.

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, having this public persona that everybody really fucks with and like that, you know, Iron Man is inadvertently doing your pr work for you it's it's also happening like it kind of ties back to the polling thing because it's happening at a time when we still believe that like a technocrat could save us that like this we could just keep getting better technology and answer you, all of these challenges that we had, even though like all of the information we had coming in that was reliable was like,

no, the world is ending. You guys, there's we have a climate disaster and like the most powerful people in the world are unwilling to admit it. But what you're saying is Avatar was right and Marvel was wrong. We picked the wrong i am kind of saying that i didn't want to come out and say joelle because i know you would be pissed but all right real quick well let's let's give the people something that they could be watching yes that is not twitter that like wendell and wild is a movie that is from the artist who made nightmare before

christmas and then had tim burton like slap his name on it but uh henry selick created that he created coralline which is like a classic stop motion animation like visual extravaganza. His latest movie is a collaboration with Jordan Peele. It is supposed to be just like incredible, like one of the most visually like stunning movies in years, which is like what happens every time this person releases a movie. And Netflix is just like not even telling people it exists. They're not like promoting it. It's pretty wild. That was another wild conversation that we can definitely get into the idea of what is being and what isn't being promoted. And I have to say that it comes much more down to the algorithm and not as much like money and intent to promote.

So I have a lot of friends who work in pr and this is like a very frustrating line for them they're like we work our asses off trying to promote these films and get in front of your eyes but because we become such disparate groups because there are so many spaces where you can just opt out of ads you're not frequently and because less people are commuting to work now than ever although a lot have returned The spaces where you're used to seeing ads are no longer being tapped into. And so a lot of people are missing it. I've seen this promoted here and there. And because it's a Netflix movie and because Netflix is currently in the throes of figuring out what is their next move, they're struggling to, you know, they don't have the funds they might once have had

to go full tilt. Even Disney has had a bunch of properties come out this year. And the only thing they've leaned into in a crazy way is Black Panther, where they were essentially like, if it's a product, we'll put Black Panther on it. We do not care at this point.

This is the movie that is going to save our bottom line. And so that's what we're seeing across PR. But PR aside, i'll come here and promote this movie in case it hasn't crossed your timeline yet henry selick as jack just mentioned is a genius director he did the nightmare before christmas and coralline and he did it with major studios that have you know their bottom line and their own specific desires there's a reason you put tim burton on nightmare before christmas right as you know he's coming off of the success of beetlejuice and some of his other films uh edward scissorhands and stuff like that it was an aim to bring in you know more teenage viewers

because this is one of the first movies disney did that wasn't strictly aimed at children and it comes post their 1980s, very dark phase. Then they have the little mermaid come out and they're like very shining and they weren't sure how it was going to track their dark days. If you know anything about Disney in the late seventies, early eighties, it was a real problem for them.

The studio almost collapsed until the little mermaid came out. And because of that, Henry Selleck is constantly being lost, lost, even though he's one of the greatest our country has ever produced as far as visual creators, it costs a lot, a lot, a lot of money to make stop motion.

So he goes to Jordan Peele with Wendell and Wilde and he created, in partnership with Monkeypaw Studio, the film follows the story of Cat, played by Lyric Ross, who has become hardened by the school-to-prison pipeline. After her parents die in a car crash, Cat blames herself. As she ages, she becomes increasingly angry. As an orphan, she's passed around between foster homes and detention centers until she lands back in her hometown and all girls avoiding school.

School here sucks. The once thriving town now resembles an abandoned factory town most families have left and the ones that stayed either hoarded their wealth or are trying like heck to prevent what to preserve what little community is left eventually cat begins to find her people raul sam zalea a trans boy eager to express himself while stuck in a school for girls and miss heller played by angela bassett a nun who is secretly a demon hunter when kat discovers a way to bring her parents back she calls as most nuns are i think we can all agree most yes so when kat discovers a way to bring her parents back she calls two demons wendell and wild keegan michael p and

jordan peel from the underworld and calamity ensues. Demons run amok, Kat remains closed off from the community that's eager to help her, and two evil parents conspire to close the boarding school and turn the surrounding lands into a prison. Selick's return to animation is long overdue. Despite creating two of the most popular children's films in the past

20 years, no studio is willing to bankroll and cost his next stop-motion picture. And while Wendell and Wilde lacks the whimsy and lightness of his previous endeavors, it also pushes the boundaries of what children's films are willing to discuss with kids. Trans rights and denial of gender affirmation, the depressions and isolation of children lost in the system, and the strength it takes to stand up to one's elders are all on display under Selick and Peele's pens. On top of that, the animation is flawless. At times, I forgot I was watching stop motion. The movement was super fluid. The underworld is a blaze of

dazzling green and twirly amusement park rides, and Ruel's art piece is inspiring. However, the film does run long at 102 minutes, and while the messages are important, there are so many characters and subplots, it's challenging to keep everything straight. As much as I love moments in the film, I didn't feel the whole thing came together. But I'm glad Selick and Peele teamed up and I'm hoping to see more out of the pair in the future.

Selick is eager to craft more of his masterpieces and it would be great if he weren't begging or creatively stifled as he continued his career. You can watch Wendell and Wild on Netflix right now.

Come for the beautiful animation. Stay for the extraordinary vocal performances. Damn. Joelle, one of our great film critics, and we're lucky to have had an actual piece of film criticism from you. I hope to do more. Oh, I should mention, this film did premiere at tiff a while ago it's beautiful if you get a chance i know it was screening on it was doing a couple of screenings

i think they're doing a couple more special screenings if you get a chance see it on the big screen it is truly truly beautiful and i think that you know having had this run with monkey paw knowing that they're trying to do more films like this. You know, I think it takes a lot of guts to make a film with an unlikable character, or it might be better to say Kat is uninterested in being liked. You know, I liked her a lot because she's a badass Black girl who's not taking anyone's shit and is really on a mission to sort of liberate herself from the confines she's been left in. But I also think, you know, i hope that getting to do this again and

having money and more time he'll be able to craft something a little bit tidier to what we're used to seeing and all these great pieces so so it's great i'm glad he had this opportunity to tell this story yeah and it's in collaborate like like you mentioned jordan peelele co-wrote it. Jordan Peele is one of the only people who can open a movie just by working behind the scenes on a movie. I mean, obviously it's not a Jordan Peele-directed movie that everybody's going to turn out to, but you would think that they would kind of lean into that but i do think like disney what disney did with tim burton and nightmare before christmas kind of fucked up anyone's ability to do that on a henry selick movie i think now he's like this shit is all me baby yeah as it should be as it should be he deserved all that for so many people were like oh yeah you know tim burton

directed that he didn't it's presented by him he was a producer he gave many a note he drew a lot of the characters and then somebody else sculpted but let's be real there's a lot and especially if you're gonna do a stop motion picture there's gonna be so many hands involved creatively like i think it's just always important to recognize the directors who do what to me seems an impossible i don't know if you guys have ever seen stop motion and action it is so tedious it is such a difficult task the other thing about the movies you get to see king and michael key and jordan peele do their key and peele shtick a lot the demons look like some of the uh furious there was an airplane sketch they

did with where they had these strange beards those are on the characters at one point you get a very if you've seen their football sketches where they call each other like weird names and they're like just being doofy like it's a lot of that energy so their scenes are a lot of fun too yeah and it's cool that it's on the theme of like the school to prison like pipeline oh You know, trans rights. Yeah, sold. That's nice. Great.

And it's, like, all spooky paranormal themed also. And it's very punk rock, whereas the other films are, like, again, super into, like, the whimsy and sort of, you know, Neil Gaiman's, like, fairy tale centered and The Nightmare Before Christmas is all about lore. This is just very much like my dad was in a punk rock and so am i have a giant boom box and spiked boots and bright green hair fuck with me if you dare kind of energy it's very 13 i think if i was a 13 year

old i might have more appreciation for this film that's who it was made for anyhow and then i spoke to a woman whose parents died when she was young. She found a lot of semblance in the movie. She connected a lot with the main character and felt, you know, it described her rage and anger post their deaths really well. So a lot of people get a lot of different things out of the movie, which I think, you know, it's typically really hard to do. So definitely watch it. I give it a solid B plus. Is it PG-13? Yeah.

Okay. PG-13 yeah okay pg-13 so yeah i i'll probably not have a chance to maybe i will have a chance to watch it but my i'll say the pg-13 is not for violence at all and i didn't think the demons are particularly frightening and they're not like devilish or gory at all i I think it really comes down to subject matter. Yeah. Maybe some language, if I remember correctly. Yeah. I think, you know, my four-year-old's probably not ready for it.

It would be hard to give four-year-old's attention on this film, to be honest. I had to watch it twice before I fully understood all of the things that were happening in it. Yeah. felt i fully understood all of the things that were happening in it yeah although selick said that he was like after coralline wasn't like the movie that he necessarily or like you know it was a hit but it wasn't like a huge hit and it was you know as you mentioned so challenging to make he wasn't sure he was going to make another movie. And then the show Key & Peele was like, just creating at such an amazing level that he said it inspired him to start working again.

And like, that's how this project- I hadn't read that. That's so beautiful. Yeah, isn't that cool? Oh, I love a full circle moment. I think Key & Peele is, like I've always said, I think Jordan Peele's work as a comedic actor is underrated. Like, you know, before he made films, I was like, that's my favorite comedic actor. Like his performances are just so subtle. And like, they're big. It's also not like, oh, you'll miss it.

you'll miss it. But some of his choices are, I think, to your point, amongst those big actions, you'll see him do small things that you're like, what is happening there? That's weird. It's an interesting character which I think sometimes gets lost in comedy which is all about the punchline.

He talks too about how he builds horror around a joke set up to reveal a punchline, which if you've seen you know uh nope you totally get when you're watching it because the whole thing is stringing you along until that final moment where you're like oh my god and it's almost funny it's comical in in a more of a like nebulous universal way it's wild yeah he's extremely talented. So good. And yeah, I think Key and Peele, like I think it'll last,

like people will still be talking about it years. It holds up. If you go back and watch, if you haven't seen it in a while, it's a good rewatch. So good. Well, Carmen, as always, truly a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist.

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Well, my Instagram, all that good stuff? Well, my Instagram, that's my only social I have. You can find me at whereintheworldis__carmen or you can follow the podcast Beauty Translated Pod

also on Instagram. Do it. The whole season one of Beauty Translated Podcast is out now. So go and listen to it. We're working on a season two. It's super good.

Carmen has so many great guests and they're so vulnerable and sharing their stories. And it just, it's so good. I love this podcast. Thank you so much. Is there a tweet or something on Instagram? We're going to have to change this part. Is there any work of social media that you've been enjoying? I saw this, The Onion posted this on Instagram,

like on Instagram right before I hopped in here. And it's a headline that says, centrist advocates moderate approach to genocide. I thought that was perfect. I screenshotted that It's a headline that says, Centrist Advocates Moderate Approach to Genocide. I thought that was perfect. I screenshotted that and I was like, well, that's going to be my tweet. So there you go. That's good. Joelle, where can people find you? What is a tweet you've been enjoying?

Y'all have found me doing some of my best work at Comic-Con Metapod. There's a little asterisk between meta and pod you do have to type it in to find it on ig or you could just come to any of my social pages there will be a link there we have had such good conversations with you guys uh i talked to jean-carlo esposito and made him cry i spoke to jessica gal about how she pitched she hope we talked to cody ziggler who wrote the Daredevil episode of She-Hulk, and he broke down how he got that episode

by bringing in a Daredevil comic randomly to a writer's room. And they were like, oh, well, you have all the facts, so you're writing that episode. And my co-host Hector Navarro and I, who Hector's like an encyclopedia of nerd stuff. He's really been helping me break down

all the nerd news. We have really great episodes coming up this Wednesday. So tomorrow for you guys, we have Kevin Kiner, the only composer who's composed more Star Wars music than John Williams. He just did the new Tales of the Jedi series and

the music is so good, y'all. So he breaks it down for us. So please, please come check out Comic-Con Metapod. It is my love. you can also find me all the internet at joe monique it's j-o-e-l-l-e-m-o-n-i-q-u-e i've really been appreciating the tweets that have been dunking on champagne poppy uh after his redonkulous album dropped and he decided he was gonna put megavisalian's name in his mouth as well as serena's husband uh my favorite one was i know this nba wife is not calling anybody a groupie followed by many many pictures of drake with many many basketball stars delightful keep that energy coming uh from at it's the brandy tweeted i opened a delivery app because i wanted beer and then i got excited by the dining options and then got sad because i realized my address was still the

bar in brooklyn i did trivia at been there brandy it's brutal you're like oh all this looks so good that's not the address i'm currently at none of that food will come to me and then jacob hall at jacob s hall tweeted has to admire that the weird stores have taken over the mall. The RC Vehicle specialty shop, the unofficial Lego store knockoff, the horror memorabilia store, the place that was all wrestling shit, the vast empty store that was just dozens of coin-operated baby rides. Think that in a mall, it's very strange. It is a weird experience filled with, like, run-down Sears

and then a way too many coin operated, like either rides or massage chairs. I don't know what's happening to America's malls, but we need to bring them back. Yeah. What you got Jack? Malls are niche these days for sure.

You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. A tweet. I've been enjoying Bill Nye though and then it's parody in parentheses on Twitter because you have to make that clear. You actually don't have to make it clear. The only person who minds

if you parody them is Elon Musk. But Bill Nye though said damn how much daylight they're trying to save. It's dark as hell. That is. Yeah, we didn't address it yet, but it's daylight. It's dark as hell. It's dark as hell.

And I thought I stopped paying attention to the story when the Senate passed unanimously legislation to do away with the change. passed unanimously legislation to do away with the change but then the house who we're about to be hearing a lot more bad news from uh if if pollsters are right which they probably aren't but the house has yet to find consensus because please do it house i'm tired i don't ever have to switch a clock again or adjust my dog doesn't like it like it's too much it's over kill we just need one time of day okay lights are gonna be on anyway yeah the yet to find consensus quote is from representative frank polone jr chairman of the house energy and commerce committee if you i don't know if you could find a cursed committee committee than House Energy and Commerce. The things that are killing us all.

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day in uh la this song in honor of miles yes yes in honor of miles uh this day or this song is really really relaxing but it fits the vibe so well this is a group called lapalux uh featuring talvi this song sounds like if the sci-fi channel acquired some cinemax ip and started doing like soft core sci-fi this is it's a very like sexy wavy song there's a lot of interesting sound effects going on and it's it's gonna get you excited i i promise you so uh yeah yeah so uh this song is forever uh spelled the old instant messenger way one word the number four eva uh lap of lux and talvi and you can find this song in the footnotes. Footnotes.

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