The Daily Zeitgeist - Elon’s Barely Working Brain, End Workplace Drug Testing 05.22.23

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

In episode 1487, Jack and Miles are joined by author and host of Crime Writers On... and ...These Are Their Stories, Rebecca Lavoie, to discuss… True Crime And America Waking Up To The Fact That Cops Are Bad at Their Jobs, Elon Is A Human Sh*tpost, Workplace Drug Testing Needs To F*ck Right Off and more! Workplace Drug Testing Needs To F*ck Right Off Record number of U.S. workers test positive for cannabis, study shows Companies are Getting Rid of Drug Tests Because They Can’t Find Enough Workers The Bizarre History Of Workplace Drug Testing REAGAN AIDES SPLIT ON DRUG TESTS PRIVACY IN AMERICA: WORKPLACE DRUG TESTING The thriving, legally questionable market for synthetic urine LISTEN: Feeling Normal by CalibreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me for I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry,

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts.

The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark

and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts podcast or wherever you get your podcast presented by capital one founding partner of iheart women's sports hello the internet and welcome to season 288 episode one of their daily night guys yeah it's a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Monday, May 22nd, 2023.

Where do the days go, Miles? I know, I know. I wish I knew what day it was, but I don't. You said May 22nd? May 22nd. Just to confirm that? Okay, okay. It's hard for me to keep up with all the days.

Where am I? What's the day again? What's the day again? What's the day again? I'm sorry. I didn't have the thing. Hold on. Hold on. I have to scroll because when we do it on Fridays and I go to the tomorrow hyperlink,

it's Saturday and I have to actually navigate to the 22nd. Here we go. It's May 22nd. You know what that means? It's International Being You Day. National Solitaire Day. Shout out to all the people on Windows or kids in schools on the computer library who love to play Solitaire like me. World Paloma Day.

Is that still a thing? Yeah. Solitaire on the computer? Yeah. Okay. Oh, man. It's one of the great pastimes. And then picking the designs you like on the back of the cards.

I like the seashell one myself. It's also National Vanilla Pudding Day. So shout out to Ron DeSantis. National Buy a Musical Instrument Day and National Maritime Day. Was it vanilla pudding that he was finger blasting? I know it was some kind of plastic cup pudding that he was using his fingers for. His digital spoon. I don't know his picture.

He called it a digital spoon, I believe. Just to be fancy about it. It's actually a digital spoon. You mean your digits as in your fingers? Yes, yes. Victor's telling us it's actually a digital spoon you mean yeah digits as in your fingers yes yes uh victor's telling us it's chocolate okay or chocolate that's how i pictured it something about me and ron desantis were always locked locked in together kind of on the same page uh my name's jack o'brien aka my jack hosts the tdz your jack supports the gop my jack drops a daily double for free your jack released on daily wire for a fee my jack thighs bigger than a bridge

your jacks look like a little kid jack's plumper is larger than the chargers the whole team your jacks they look in obsc. Jack's thighs are like super sized. Your Jacks look like two fries. Oh, man. Wow. That's courtesy of Esbott, who said, I could have kept going, but we all get it. He got thick

AF thighs, brother. I appreciate it. This is another rap song That I was not familiar with My Dick by Mickey Avalon Yeah it's all It's all just stupid It's all stupid Miles

Well speaking Of Miles I'm thrilled to be joined As always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray It's Miles Gray aka He on the Florida tour. We put in on his hand. Being a fucking disgrace with trans rights in the can.

Okay, that's about Rhonda Santus. Shout out to Ray Zach on the Discord. Who hit us with that wonderful Tribe Called Quest award tour. Where we referenced Rhonda. Look, we got it all. We got it all. Talented, talented listeners. You know?

That one really got me. He on a Florida tour. We put it on his hand. all we got it all talented talented listeners you know that one really got me well well well miles we are thrilled to be joined by an author and podcast host yes i know from her shows crime writers on the netflix show you can't make this up and yes these are their stories the law and order podcast which i believe i guessed it on many years ago please welcome to this show rebecca lavoie where's my rap song come on whatever is your rap where's your favorite i would say what's your favorite karaoke song oh god kevin and i do love shack together it's something if you see a faded sign at the side of the road

that says 16 miles to the... Love Shack! Woo! Yeah, that kind of situation. Love Shack's baby! I love that. That's my favorite voice to do. Yeah.

I gotta say, his level of difficulty much lower than yours. He's really letting him off easy. It's kind of the story of our lives. So I kind of talk story of our lives. So I kind of talk like this and it goes like that.

And I am singing. And this is how I sing. Now hit that high note. And I have to choose like which girl I want to be. Right. Oh, man. You're like doing costume changes,

switching between the two girls. Whipping my ponytail around. She's like one of those singers, one of the great voices, just the pipes. Yeah. Yeah, really incredible. Yeah, I'm just as good. If you're pulling that off, my hat's off to you.

No, there's like a drunken component of karaoke. You know, it doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah. People don't care. I mean, they do, but they don't. Right. Where are you coming to us from? I live in New Hampshire, if you can believe it.

New Hampshire. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Live free or die. That's right. I've been there a few times. I used to play hockey, like competitive hockey.

So I'd go to New Hampshire and the New England area a lot. Saw the old man on the mountain before it all started crumbling. Oh, RIP old man, right? Yeah. Yeah. You hear what happened up here in the news around the old man in the mountain on the anniversary, the state legislator who compared it to 9-11. His face falling off was compared to 9-11.

Yes. It wasn't vandalism, right? It was like just natural erosion. No, it was natural erosion. It was Mother Nature's terrorism. Although my son, Henry, a Nepo baby pod podcaster, put out a version of his show today called Who Did 5-3, which is about that state legislator.

Who did it? Who did it? On a recent episode of Crime Writers On, you were talking about the impression he does of you that cracked me up. Which one is that? It's like,

you know Bone Valley? Have you ever seen Bone Valley? Have you ever heard of Bone Valley? Which is a crime podcast. Which is all I went around saying for like three months. But it worked. People listened to the damn show and now it's winning awards.

So it obviously worked. You got the word out. Or did it just Bone Valley? I'll own it. It's not a porno podcast, even though it sounds like one. It's actually pretty good. Yeah. Bone Valley really could be about the San Fernando Valley's porn industry.

It could. It could. All right. Okay. Well, Rebecca, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about first of all we're gonna pick your brain about just true crime the state of true crime what our obsession with true crime means we will talk about the amazing human shit post elon musk because he's just out here shit posting in reality

and we'll probably talk about workplace drug testing, which I didn't realize was invented by the Reagans. That wasn't a thing before. And in most other countries, they're like, it's not a thing, period. That's weird. I was so nervous when you piss tested me when you first wanted me to potentially work with you on the podcast. You didn't know that it was just like a kink of mine. Well, and I'm also just glad that you were chilled. You clearly didn't say anything about the fact that I just put lemonade in the cup.

Yeah, all right, cool. Looks good. Well, I think we're good here. I think we're good here. Yeah. Just take it to the lab really quick, and you turned your back, and then you burped, I think. Gross. All good.

All of that, plenty more. But first, Rebecca, we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are i have my search history right now why does my dog eat grass when he feels sick classic i also have what does disavow mean which is a like one of those things where like you're writing something or doing something and you're like sure you 100 know what a word means but then when you use it you're like wait am i using that right am i fucking stupid exactly exactly yeah so i have those are my two most recent search terms and they obviously go together very well and was this a

just a casual text message where you were using the word disavow? No, no. I actually did an event on Wednesday night with, I work on the, during my day job, I work at New Hampshire Public Radio. We did Bear Brook and we had an event and I was hosting it. And like, I was talking about somebody disavowing their role, like in a wrongful conviction, but I was like writing the script and I was like this about this i i don't know so i was you know i wasn't gonna be i don't know i don't want to be stupid so looked it up yeah it was right it was right i knew it was right but you know why wait why do i know dogs eat they eat the grass to like help them vomit right yes but i have a dog that he gets sick so often he's

like wheaton terrier very sensitive stomach situation you know, so we're at the point now where we're like, he just wants to go out and eat grass. Don't take him out. Don't take him out. And at one point when he was young, we had just mowed the lawn and he ate all the grass on the mowed lawn and he made a giant ball in his stomach and he had to have surgery to get it out. Oh, no. and he had to have surgery to get it out. Oh, no. So I actually, but he's 12 now and it's never occurred to me to like look up why. So I was just like, he's going to be dead. And I thought then I'd looked it up. But no, it's just because like they don't really know.

Either it makes them want to throw up or it soothes their stomach. But apparently it's not that bad for them unless they eat right after you mow your lawn. But just don't do that. Yeah, don't. And just don't leave it all out there for all you can eat grass buffet. Nope. Don't do that. Yeah, don't. And just don't leave it all out there for all you can eat grass buffet.

Nope. Don't do that. Turns out I was right about disavow because I was like, uh-oh, maybe I've had it wrong. Exactly. It's one of those words.

Deny any responsibility or support for. Right. Right. It's not like nonplussed, which literally everybody uses the wrong way. Everybody does wrong.

To the point that I think we can just all start using nonplussed the way that everybody uses it. I think that actually just all start using nonplussed the way that everybody uses it. I think that actually, I think that the dictionary people actually just allowed that and that actually pisses me off because yeah. I'm not a snob about stuff like that usually except that like that's one where it's like

come on, get your shit together, nonplussed people. Get your shit together. I don't like it, so I'll say I was nonplussed. Yes. Really? Yes, right. I don't like it. So I'll say I was nonplussed. Yes. Yes. Right. You cannot have you cannot take anymore. You're nonplussed.

You're out of your mind. Yes. So the yeah, the dictionary Oxford dictionary has surprised and confused so much that they're unsure how to react as the number one meaning and then number two of a person not disconcerted unperturbed and this is informal north american they're just like we gotta we just gotta like let the north americans fuck this up it's the dummy definition yeah yeah what is something that you think is overrated besides sandwiches yes wow quitting Twitter and indignation. Overrated.

Yeah. Yeah. You know why? Yeah. Because no one notices when you stop doing something. No one. Right. No one notices.

Yeah. And like every social media platform sucks in its own special way. I mean, Elon obviously extra sucks, which I guess we're going to be talking about. But like no one notices when you stop doing something. I've seen a specific news organization that I may or may not have a loose affiliation with, you know, quit in a very public way. My news outlet did, too. And I, you know, didn't make us quit, you know, or the reporters of that news organization quit. But I'm like, what an opportunity you had when you're actually being talked about to do something else with this besides just stop doing anything. And now like you're not doing anything

with it. Like you could have raised money. You could have like taught people what journalism is, but like when you're not doing anything, nobody notices you're not doing anything. So I just think that there's like taking your toy. Remember what happened with Reddit like a bunch of years ago? Like what happened with that? Nothing. Like nothing happened with that. So I don't know. I just think that there's some like

a little bit of just like virtue signaling nothing burger-ness and quitting Twitter and indignation right now. I mean, maybe someday it will be important, but to me it's a little bit overrated. I'm sorry if either one of you did that and I just like... I post like 12 to 13 times a day.

Okay. I'm quitting Twitter. Yeah. Each post is like, that's it. You've done it this time, Musk. But I,

yeah, I guess the fact that I've been doing that for three months now, probably. I'll never quit. Cause I, I, I never thought I would have this many followers. And I like to look at the number. Why would I do that now?

I'm at the top of my game. That's true. And may I say to the followers, you guys stop quitting because it's making our number go down. What the fuck? That makes us sad. You're burning me. You burned me, listeners who quit Twitter. My number went down.

Like, Jack, I was looking at your follower number. You're like about twice as many burning me. You burned me, listeners who quit Twitter. My number went down. Like, Jack, I was looking at your following number. You're like about twice as many as me. Like, I could fill like a small college football stadium. You could fill like a big college football stadium. Like, you couldn't like show up somewhere and like 45,000 people would show up, right? Right. That's true. They're all very loyal, too.

And they're all real. I check in with them on a daily basis. None of them are bots. They're huge fans of mine. Yeah, that's right. None of them are bots and they're all real.

Yeah, they love me like family members. I have a 45,000 person family. They're all going to hang out flags in front of their house after they graduate you. It's weird how I can get 12,000 of them to say the exact same thing to me at the same time. It's crazy.

That's how on the same page they are. And then sandwiches are overrated? You just kind of skip past that. Yeah, sandwiches are overrated. You have to bury the lead. Yeah. All sandwiches. All sandwiches.

Well, not grilled cheese, obviously. Whoa. I like an obvious. All sandwiches. All sandwiches. Well, not grilled cheese, obviously. Whoa. I like an obvious. Obviously not. One of the three most popular sandwiches. The world's greatest hangover food is obviously not overrated. Okay.

Okay. But yeah, I don't get, I just, I've never understood like the obsession with sandwiches. I know people love sandwiches. For me personally. Sure. No, I get it. i'm not oh is it so it's like the mania like sandwich mania that's overrated or you're just saying i just i just i don't understand like when people are like oh we're gonna bring in lunch for this meeting we're

bringing in sandwiches and everyone's like yeah and i'm like what do you mean yeah right right pizza yeah sandwiches no like it's just the stuff in the middle is the good part and like i have to get through the shit on the outside to get the stuff in the middle is the good part and like i have to get through the shit on the outside to get the stuff in the middle oh you're almost like trump with pizza you're like nah not the bread it's just the top part scrape it off thank you thank you for that very complimentary comparison i really appreciate it i get look i get the the sort of singular focus though it's just sort of like no no, no, no, that's filler. You don't want that.

You want the meats and the cheeses right there. That's the fucking, that's the money. I'm not like a huge, huge bread person. I mean, I'm not like anti-carbs. I fucking love carbs. But I'm not like one of those people who's like, I love bread. And then people are always like, you'll love it if you have the bread I make. And I'm like, no one fucking won't. Like, I don't really.

It's like, it's just it's just bread. It's just like it's not that special. That's just my opinion. It's my opinion. Not everybody agrees. It's OK. I have had I have had great bread. Get me wrong.

Get me wrong. There is bread that's better than other bread. I agree with that. Have you tried the they there's this thing they have out here in L.A. called sliced bread where they. Yeah. Yeah. It's not just one big hunk.

It's really the greatest thing. It doesn't come out of a stone oven. It's not artisanal. Is that what you're saying? Wonder. That's good stuff. Have you tried wonder? That's the stuff. Sliced bread gets so much credit from people

all the time. you seen like those clips when like americans are amazed at like the bread slicers in europe like when you go to a store and like oh there's like i've just seen a genre video like americans whose minds are blown buying like a loaf of bread at a european grocery store that like you can then take to a machine that just like slices it fresh like the coffee coffee grinder? Yeah, I was just going to say the coffee grinder. Yeah, you just load it in. It might be in Germany or something like that. And it just like cleanly just slices it up.

So you have like good, like your loaf is actually as fresh as possible or whatever. And they're like, wow, it just slices it right here. And I'm like, I watch it too. I'm like, come on, man, act like you're, I'm like, it just slices it right there. Have some chill, for God's sake. It's so embarrassing. Act like you're... I'm like, it just slices you right there. Have some chill, for God's sake. It's so embarrassing.

Act like you've been here. That shit does make it... Grinding your coffee beans right before you brew the coffee really does make a difference. I'm sure. Now I want an unsliced Wonder Bread loaf.

Is that something they even sell? No, thank you. I'll take it home just, yeah, with your bread knife, just doing the most uneven slices of Wonder Bread. You ever tried to cut Wonder Bread or like with a knife?

Yeah. You can't do it. It's terrible. It's just like, what? Yeah. It's a non-Newtonian substance. It's neither air, it's neither gas,

nor solid, nor liquid. Yeah. Yeah. The knife doesn't know what to do with it. What is something that you think is underrated? Oh, it's easy. HGTV. 100% underrated.

HGTV. So here's the thing. Like, how many people watch Succession, really? I watch Succession. Don't fucking get me wrong. But like, a couple million people watch it when it's on, and then a couple million people watch it later it's on and then a couple million people watch it later.

Right. That's it. Forty four million people watch HGTV. I'm not kidding. Like there's a show called Rock the Block. That's like they're one of their like big competition, like prestige shows. Fourteen million people fucking watch that show. Right.

And there's no like think pieces about that shit. Right. And there's no, like, think pieces about that shit. Right. Everybody watches HGTV. Everybody has seen Flip or Flop. Everybody has seen House Hunters. Everybody has seen Love It or List It. And you talk about it, you can talk about it with anyone.

Yeah. And everyone is conversant in HGTV. And there's no fucking think pieces about it. And it makes me crazy. What is Rock the Block? Oh my God, it's the best. I think it's the best. Oh yeah. So it's basically like it's kind of an all-stars type show where they bring on hosts of other shows and they have four very expensive houses and over a period of six weeks, they have them compete room by room to

do your best kitchen, do your best living room, do your best whatever. And then at the end, one of the teams wins, and then they name the block after that team. It's a very low-stakes thing where it's just really fun reveals. How much money can you spend in here? Oh, yeah.

Basically. It's basically aspirational. It's just like... I'll tell you, it's one of the best edited because HGTV's editing is really frustrating. But it's one of the best edited shows that they make, which is what makes it good. So right. Right. Right. Yeah. I was just also reading like kind of I think piece about HGTV, but its impact on American homes and the like just monotone aesthetic that exists now in like homes because everyone has everyone's watching the same fucking way of flipping a house that like like that we've come to know that like weird gray property brothers or like that great like but specifically how that floor has taken over the united states thanks to like hgtv type shows. And I was like, yeah, that floor is awful. It really is.

Yeah. Like that, like light gray vinyl thing. And look, no shade. If that's the floor you got, just if you love it, love it, if you love it,

but you're not going to love it in like three years. I would list it. For me, I would list it. And it's true though, as you say, like it's, I've noticed even like when I've babysat,

like my young nieces or nephews, I could put house hunters on and they fuck with it. Yeah. Even like little kids are like, Hmm. Like they're just like watching. I'm like, is this interesting to you?

They're like, they're like, they're all different rooms. Yeah. Like different rooms in another country. I'm like, okay, cool.

Yeah. International. Super fun. International. Super fun. It's like, do you want to live in the house that your boyfriend wants, which is $12,000 over budget?

Do you want to live in the house that is exactly in budget but horribly disappointing? Or do you want to live in the hovel by the beach that you have to piss outside? Which one do you want? It's always the same.

The spectrum's so wacky. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it also helps for people who like, if you're like, man, I got to get out of the US, watch House Hunters and you're like, that's the rent over there? Right. You're like, fuck, yeah. And it also helps for people who like, if you're like, man, I got to get out of the US, watch House Hunters and you're like, that's the rent over there? Right.

Fuck. I'm going to live in Lisbon. There you go. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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We're back. And Rebecca, you spend a lot of time talking about, writing about true crime as a genre, which is, and it's in the news now, NPR is debunking the wave of fentanyl poisonings yes we were seeing from police did you do scare quotes around fentanyl poisoning yeah exactly yes always assume implied scare quotes around police and fentanyl poisoning around police and just about anything right yeah so that's kind of what i wanted to just get your like I've talked about this before on the show, but it does feel like. The thing that is different about true crime, just narratively, like obviously the big difference is that like between I grew up on crime shows and, you know, like Law and Order or, you know, movies, crime movies where the police were at least

competent or there was a competent police officer who was like pushing back against the corruption and, you know, inefficiencies. And then like true crime, the main myth that it seems to be debunking as a genre is that the police are ever like competent and ever like they're so rarely like that the default seems to be and then the police fucked this up like there were all these people who should have been interviewed like all these things that your response as a rational human being would be like, oh, well, you'd want to talk to that person or you'd want to follow that line of reasoning. And the police just get it wrong like time after time after time, which I think adds

to the stakes of true crime because it kind of opens people up to a reality where like the police aren't actually there to keep us safe and so the the world is much more dangerous in that respect or at least like much less you know yeah i guess more dangerous and less safe and like there's not this default that we've always been told there is with like you just call the police and they'll handle it and they'll make it right. Like, do you think of that as kind of a constant in true crime or like at least a narrative difference that you see repeatedly happening? Well, it's certainly a narrative difference to white people. It's not a narrative difference to people of color who've never trusted the cops very rightly because they know that they've been getting it wrong forever and ever and ever. But yeah, so a couple of things going on. One is obviously police corruption, police misconduct is obviously been sort of

unveiled more in the last few years. And journalism is starting to finally catch up by not just taking the police at their word when they get a statement from the cops. They don't just print it or they don't just say police say X. They do still. Don't get me wrong. It happens a lot on TV news. It happens a lot in like quick turn stories. But it doesn't happen. The New York Times. It doesn't happen all the time. It's happening. It's happening. There is now journalism that questions it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. There is now journalism that questions it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But the other thing that is now sort of being unveiled is, aside from misconduct and all that stuff, is that police are trained to win and close cases and not get to the truth.

And it's that training and it's that system that leads to mistakes and misconduct. And, you know, I have a very clear point of view on this that like some people don't agree with. It's like people think like, you know what? He's not a bad guy. He woke up and he didn't wake up this morning thinking I'm going to get the wrong guy and put the wrong guy in prison. This is just the way he was trained

and the way the system works. The bottom line is if you are systemically putting the wrong guy in prison, even if you're like a good uncle, you are actually a bad guy. I mean, that's like the way that it works. But, you know, you are trained in the read technique. You're going to use the read technique and you're going to put the wrong people in prison. That's just the way that it is. And it does bring me a lot of satisfaction as somebody who I don't really write anymore, but I used to write true crime

books that were literally the narrative of like police did the investigation and got it right and put the person away. But that was like 2007, 2008. Gives me a tremendous amount of satisfaction to disavow the kind of true crime shit that I used to write because it's not real. It's just it's just not. I mean, there are earnest, good investigations, but there are also a shit ton of very very bad investigations that are are completely predicated on closure and getting the win and that's what all of that is about and does the world of policing seem to be every instance where the police are criticized the police response seems to be belligerence. Like, are there examples where police forces are actually being like, OK, the Reed technique and if you could explain what the

Reed technique is, that would be helpful, I think, to our listeners. Yeah, the Reed technique is an interrogation technique that has been scientifically shown to elicit false confessions again and again and again. And interestingly, the read technique was invented by this guy named John Reed. The time that he used it, where it was actually the first time he used it, that it became the model for the technique he would then develop. That case ended up being a false confession case. It works so good. You can't make this shit up. You can't make this shit up. So that technique is actually now like a training course. It's called like the read course and police departments use it all over the country.

And they say that they've developed it. They've tweaked it over time. Police officers are supposed to use it in the way that they say that they've, you know, soften the techniques over time. But basically what it is, is they put the it specifically and really is effective on vulnerable people, on young people, on people with, you know, mental illness, on people with intellectual delays. Think about Brandon Dassey for making a murderer, for instance. Basically, what they do is they put people in a position where they believe they are helping the police. They lie to them. They give them bad information. They say, you're on video doing X, Y, Z.

And they basically put you in a position where you believe if you say something, you're going to be in a better situation. And they also do a thing where they don't record the first 12 hours of your interrogation. They only record the final hour where they've finally sort of broken you. And then they have this thing on tape and they go look he confessed on tape what are you talking about he did it who would who would ever confess on tape if they didn't do it that's the read technique even though for 12 hours i said you're never gonna be able to see wrestling again or go home unless you say this exactly or for 12 hours they say come on we all you know it's like if you just tell us this you're helping us and

you're gonna maybe we'll even be able to get you a deal. It's fine. We'll figure something out. We'll figure something out. You know, you'll be able to have dinner. You'll be able to go home and sleep in your own bed tonight. You know, it's like, that's what it's all about. And are you seeing any, like, I think people are maybe getting more exposure to shit like this. And like, I guessed it on one of our sister podcasts behind the bastards about this guy,

David Grossman, the director of the killology research group that is like goes around and gives these speeches to police about how they should like feel comfortable killing people who make them scared. Essentially like there's all these just shockingly morally bankrupt training practices and just general practices in how police go about doing their jobs like it. Yeah. Did you guys see Killing County on Netflix? No. This documentary Killing County, Colin Kaepernick's film company made it. It's about the county where he's from.

And there's a shocking piece of footage in there. Not shocking, not surprising, but shocking. I think it's the sheriff is talking to the department. And he's basically in a training saying that it is better for the department to kill someone than wound them. Because if you kill them, they can't sue you. Right. Essentially what he says. Oh, it's on Hulu, right? It's about Bakersfield yes i think oh you're right it's not netflix it's who

yeah okay yeah shocking it's like it's like and that's like if that is you know that he's not the only cop in the world who right who is walking around this way right right to think about the payouts too and i'm like yeah pay that claim if you wound someone or right or or just arrest them or whatever it's like you know it's just cheaper and quicker and cleaner so yeah but i i mean we we've seen some political successes with like i mean locally in la there were some local elections where people voted against increasing the police budget you know the jacksonville just had kind of a not not a like anti-police or police reformist candidate but somebody who was they were trying to paint as like a black lives matter anti-police

supporter and people voted for her anyways i'm just like wondering is all the true crime that people are watching do you think changing anything or are the police just going to like kind of hunker down and you know respond with belligerence like we've seen them do time after time i think it's going to take a generation to be completely honest with you i think it's going to be like right like the kids of of consumers because it's like there's a wave of like you know and i don't want to be gross about it but like there's a there are millions of like middle class midwestern women who now know what brady violations are who never never thought about it before because they listen to like serial and undisclosed and like in the dark and shit right so so like their kids might be like hearing a little bit of their outrage and

like some of their kids are going to grow up and become lawyers or whatever. So I think it's going to be generational. I'll tell you, the elected officials thing is tough because election cycles are short. The thing that has made a huge difference in cities and communities and states is conviction integrity units. Like Philadelphia has a conviction integrity unit. This guy, Larry Krasner. What happens when there's a conviction integrity unit and shit starts getting overturned, people start getting out of prison. Then there's a lot of political pressure to start looking at the system that put people there because it's embarrassing and the cities have to start writing big checks. So getting conviction integrity units set up, not only does it actually get people out

of prison, which is the result you want, but also it creates like a bubble of pressure that you can't ignore because it's just there. So I think that's one of the most effective changes that I've seen happen politically, more so than electing somebody. Also, like in L.A., you had that sheriff who pretended he was a reformist and then ended up being like a bad guy, right? Yeah. So, you know, election cycles are quick. People say what they're going to say and then they can't actually do anything when they're elected. But yeah, I think conviction integrity is I think that's where it's at. Right. I also wonder if we're going to see it like I see it bleed over into like how

crime and punishment are portrayed in TV and film in general, like just this kind of new, newer realization. Like I think when I was a kid, the like standard thing that writers had to contend with is like a constant question of like why wouldn't they just call the cops like that you know like that that would solve everything and now obviously like that isn't is no longer the case i i'd imagine but i just i wonder if we'll see less and less movies that are where it's just like yeah so it's a it's a cop and uh so we can assume they're kind of cool and trying to solve crimes yeah yeah no i don't think so i mean if you're watching the new law and order there's like a lot of they're handling it very poorly by the way the new law and order they're very much like the very beginning when i first came back it was like man we just we you know things are

changing man and then in episode two it was like we got to stand up for our brothers they're under attack yeah it's like wild yeah shut up you fucking red-haired freak i mean they constantly talk about it on the show but then they just behave exactly as abominably they always have on the show it's pretty wild yeah it seems like a lot of places are like they all they did was just kind of go into hibernation like in the fall of 2020 when a lot of people like you know what like live pd might be a mistake of a show folks we're sorry and then it's like right back where we started it's like just wait a fucking couple seconds right right we'll come back brooklyn nine nine will be back yeah yeah all right well let's talk about el real quick. Oh, my God. Did a CNBC interview at the end of last week. And, you know, what we've seen from his Twitter persona appears to have transferred over to his actual human body persona. Yeah. Yeah. He's just full, full blown. just full full blown he's just a human 4chan shit post basically and he really let his freak flag fly in that interview and by freak flag i mean swastikas uh because man a lot of the interview

made waves like around this like incessant need to defend the like verified nazi shooter uh from allen texas you know the guy with like like the all the Nazi tattoos and the talk of loving Nazis and how he'd rather be a Nazi than act black when he posted that meme, like he let everybody know very clearly, you know, where he stood on things, what his perspective was. Anyway, Elon, he goes off about how despite all of the evidence and even the shooter's own words, it's not right to call this like a white supremacist act. So let me just play this. He's going to start off by talking about why he's like dubious and you can just watch his like brain start melting.

And the evidence for that was some obscure Russian website that no one's ever heard of that had no followers. And the company that came that found this is Bellingcat right and you know what bella cat does psyops right I couldn't really even follow exactly what it was you were trying to express there so that's part why I was curious but I'm saying that I thought this the the the ascribing it to white supremacy was bullshit okay and and and and and that the information for that came from an obscure Russian website and was somehow magically found by Bellingcat, which is a company that does psyops. Okay.

So enough about that. Because Bellingcat does not do psyops. Wait, wait, wait. Who is the reporter going? Right. Yeah, why is he just going? That's a reflexively bad thing to say yeah i know and even though he did kind of follow up he's like look i only say that because i don't know what you're saying he did

basically like i don't know what you're trying to say right now but yeah change your change your reflex do the bar bar like huh right change the reflex dude change it it's better to just be like a honestly it's what's up it'll force the person to really have to explain. Ah? Or say nothing. Just say nothing. Not that. But yeah, again, so he's saying Bellingcat, which does real investigative journalism.

They're saying they do psyops and it's bullshit. It's bullshit that they're trying to say that this is a white supremacist act. What is his horse in this race? Aside from being a white supremacist himself, what is it? What is his horse in this particular? I think probably to not give too much momentum to the not even narrative to the reality of increasing like extremist violence and the like that these people exist and they are they're acting out their ideologies in real physical space violently. Cause I think, I don't know if he's trying to thread this needle. He's like saying like, I don't know if he's like,

it was a white supremacist reason why he shot those people. It might just be that he was like a white supremacist and shop. It's like really not clear, but he's definitely trying to like Cape for like white supremacy in this very bizarre way. That's not even really clear to even the interviewer. It was like, OK, right. You know, the interviewer is like, right, right, right, right, right.

Because, you know, Hitler was correct about what he said. Right, right, right. Oh, my God. That's going to be the clip you're going to share on social media. Don't do that. No way. Absolutely not. to be the clip you're going to share on social media isn't it don't do that no way absolutely not so again it's just like a very frustrating interview because he is truly just like lost in the sauce his face when he was like trying to even explain like the logic path of like this

russian account and bellingcat it's like he was trying to like do like a thread on at thread unroll like please dude please unroll this twitter thread in my brain so i can go find like the precise clap back reply that i need in here and it's a shame that this didn't get like a ton of coverage i mean you got some coverage but like talking about the man that owns fucking twitter is out here showing you how vile his fucking beliefs are like in real time like in such a it's even a way like I don't know why I'm mad. I'm like, it's,

he's not even doing it elegantly. It's just like, it's just like the raw stupidity of it. It just like makes it even more and more frustrating to see. And again, it has to be like, right, right.

Psy ops. Psy ops. Yeah. I mean, how did they not have support for the claim that like he, they knew he was going to try to debunk rather than just be you know yeah yeah I mean

uh I don't even know what you're saying so well so I have to unroll this a little bit because I just don't understand so was it was even being asked about this because this spread on Twitter like why is this even something he's talking about he's been like because he himself has

been retweeting other accounts that are casting aspersions over it. Oh, got it. Got it. So he's now like pot committed to this like situation where he has to defend his thought. Yeah, he's like, why are you using your platform to like, who are these even people? And then he's like, well, where

did their evidence come from that they were white supremacists? The guy has swastika tattoos on his arm yeah literally i don't know they he may have had his tattoo artist may have had glaucoma and was trying to make a plus sign i don't know we just don't know but like the fact that that what about the ss bolts his other tattoo are ss bolts yes no those are celt runes, you know? Yeah, exactly. No, he's a journeyman electrician. And he's on his way to joining the IBEW. So it's a high voltage logo.

Like, what? Shut the fuck up. Again, and I think the reason why this guy was caught off on CNBC is because they were on Stonks TV. You know what I mean? They weren't on MSNBC. He wasn't talking like Ben Collins or someone who's like knows, like is very well versed in all this. You know? Ben Collins is a great example of why I think it is overrated to leave Twitter indignation.

Like he's a great example of why. Did he leave? No, he's there. Oh, okay. If he left, like no one would ever see his shit. Right. Exactly. But he's always there to just dunk on people.

Exactly. Yeah. Always help people who are not terminally online like some of us understand what is actually being spoken about. So anyway, again, this interview was basically on CNBC. So then he eventually gets to the money part, which is another really interesting moment in this interview. He said the big question is like for people who love stonks like Tesla and stuff is like, what the fuck's going on with like Tesla shares and like the way you're running Twitter? Because the businesses are interconnected, whether you like it or not.

And he's like, and if you keep turning Twitter into like an ad repelling website equivalent of like crystal knocked like what are you going to how are you going to keep people's money moving like what do you say to these people who are actually worried about the shit that you post and its effect on the financials of everything this answer is fucking even i'm just gonna play the whole thing because it's this is a very like this man's brain i i, I don't even know. I'm serving that word salad. Serve it. Yeah.

God, no, I don't. I don't want to. But I'm what I'm trying even came up though in the annual meeting. I mean, you know, do your tweets hurt the company? Are there Tesla owners who say I don't agree with his political position because and I know it because he shares so much of it. Or there are advertisers on Twitter that Linda Yaccarina will come and say, you got to stop, man. Or, you know, I can't get these ads because of some of the things you tweet.

Pause. Pause. He's just looking off into the middle distance. Booting. Does he find the right meme? You know, I'm reminded of... Uh-oh. Bone Valley.

Receiving the Princess Bride. Great movie. Great movie. Where he confronts the person who killed his father. Okay. He says, Offer me money. No literally that's not what he says don't care see you just don't care offer me money you want to share what you have to say i'll say what i want to say and if if

if the consequence of that is losing money so be it has he ever seen that fucking movie that's literally not he says my name is indigo montoy you kill my father i mean like literally everybody knows that offer me money offer it's like i don't understand he's basically replying in like gift form giftIF form. GIF form, yeah. You know what I mean? He's like, what do you say about that? Princess bride dot GIF is what I'm saying. It took him a while to find it. He was searching. My God.

He got the wrong one. He racked his brain for the dumbest response. I mean, truly. Does he have, like, an early kind of trial version of Neuralink going? Like, hooked up to Twitter, and, like, that's just how badly it worksuralink going, like hooked up to Twitter. And like, that's just how badly it works. And he was just going through his brain.

It takes him 13 seconds to respond. That was a 13 second fucking pause he took to say, I'm reminded of a scene from Princess Bride. What? Offer me money. Offer me power. I mean, that couldn't have been the answer that investors were looking for how fucking

awesome would have been because i'm reminded of a scene from princess bride wearing rodents of unusual size i think it's also just to these people especially billionaires right they're never in environments where people press them or ask follow-up questions so when they are it's also just to these people, especially billionaires, right? They're never in environments where people press them or ask follow up questions. So when they are, it's like a disorienting experience for them. The beginning of the first clip where I talked to where he's talking about Bellingcat running Bellingcat running psyops when he's like when the journalist asking very basic questions of his like like Twitter retweets, he's also like, I'll just play this other section because it truly shows like he is not used to being held to account for fucking anything.

I can't get enough of this. Keep going. They're a psyop? Oh, in Allen, Texas. You say something like it might be a bad psyop. I'm not quite sure what you meant. oh in that particular case uh there was uh a somehow that that's not not that the the the the the the obviously people were killed but the it was i think incorrectly ascribed like i was super killed uh he he he his his body language like you know i'm no i'm no body language expert although i do testify at trials as an expert uh very scientifically proven to be like

legit yeah but but it's just interesting how he he like goes he's starting like this and then he just really does get small and he's like oh right this thing um i did a side well it's um what huh i didn't he like tilts his head to the side like a dog that like you just spoke a full sentence to and the dog doesn't like understand what you're saying and then another pause another pause and then oh that so when you were first talking about this it's like because it's coming on the show i didn't know what we were gonna be talking about and i just quickly googled elon musk cnbc all of the top headlines i see are elon musk tells cnbc he's now up to six hours of sleep a night that was the takeaway from this converse. What? Because the mainstream media worships billionaires and they

just want them to be Tony Stark, real, real Tony Stark. That's a, they are there to, you know, play a role and a role that the mainstream media isn't interested in is like massive billionaire thought leader who is also a Nazi. like they erased that part of henry ford's story for many years right you know and also like that's not a good ad for his mental elasticity for someone who's supposedly such a brilliant i'm like this guy took 13 seconds to say this reminds me of the princess bride i don't know and then and then didn't get the right line that everybody knows offer me the thing i don. I don't know. And then didn't get the right line that everybody knows. Offer me the thing.

I don't care. Oh, yeah? Okay, never mind. I'll tell you what I want, Inigo Montoya. Yeah. I think there was this character, Inigo Toyota, I believe.

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positive for marijuana is at the highest level ever recorded yeah which let them know but like so are all those people being fired for that like Like that's what, like this, the story implied that it was just like informational drug testing, but right. Why the fuck are people still drug testing their employees? Yeah. It's kind of my question. Well, yeah.

Isn't it like insurance or it's like some sort of like situation where like workplaces have like an umbrella policy or they have them like working heavy equipment or something i don't know my workplace has like a um a thing in our handbook that evokes like pretend you're not supposed to be you know imbibing on the job it's not a question anybody has ever asked anybody ever right workplace so. So, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's in other countries there are like, I could understand. It's like you can't be intoxicated while operating heavy machinery, obviously.

And that is how drug testing is used in other countries that use it. But the way that the U..s uses it where it's just like we just want to check out your lifestyle and what you're doing when you're not on work hours is really like it's not a long-term thing and it's not practiced in other countries so like that's the that's the thing i always assumed yeah there was like some international corporation reason for like with insurance or something like that but the u.s is the only place that really has this it was invented by the reagans as part of like their war on drugs shit like it's a it's a recent innovation that is not helpful uh is not

effective and yeah it's one of the latest tools of white supremacy uh finally you know being done away with because yeah like it's always like oh you smoke weed in this part of the neighborhood and you want to work at this grocery store right you know it's like what the fuck is this and yeah all it does is like it either dissuades people from wanting to apply for a job which i'm sure is one factor of it or Or, you know, you can really kind of prolong employing someone by being like, oh, I don't know about your drug tests and shit like that. I mean, it is on the decline, drug testing, and it's definitely like way less popular than it was fairly recently. But it's still happening in thousands of workplaces. And the reason it's on the decline has nothing to do

with the fact that it's invasive and unnecessary and, you know, arguably unconstitutional, but because of the labor shortage caused by the pandemic. And so places like Amazon dropped drug testing in 2021 and like acknowledged that it is inherently racist. But we're like, and we're dropping it, but not because of the racism. We're dropping it because of changing state laws. Wait, oh, so you know it's racist though? Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we always did. And we always, because by the way, you know, the war on drugs was not Reagan's, it was Nixon's. And John Ehrlichman gave that interview saying that like, we did it to disrupt black communities like that's why we did it we knew with drugs we knew that pot wasn't bad we were lying that's why

we did it and Carter tried to pull it back and then the Reagans went like double down with it like that's what so it's always like you know pull back push pull back push what's happened now with drugs which is interesting it's not just the legalization of pot, it's the opioids crisis, which has now like inspired this like wave of empathy for substance use disorder, which now has a new name. And now it's a health crisis deaths right now is like black people, but it's perceived to be a white problem, which is why it like inspired all of these like actual legislative things and like money and resources and stuff. So it is really interesting to see like how it snaps back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. I would not be surprised with all this marijuana legalization and stuff. Like I think it's great, but I wouldn't be surprised if in like four, eight, 12 years,

there was another huge snapback. I just wouldn't. Cause that's just how, I mean, like what's happening now with abortion, like what's happening. I mean, it's just,

it's just in gay rights. Like it's just, it seems to be like we're on these ebbs and flows and every time you get an ebb, it's worse than the previous ebb when it comes to being progressive or regressive. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's so when Reagan announced it, he instituted it with like the one point one million federal employees that he had control over. And then he did a publicity stunt. He was like so horny for drug testing workers he was like fuck it i'll i'll do a drug test oh and but like the the reality of the drug test was that if anybody in his administration or

if he or nancy had tested positive it would have been totally kept totally secret and confidential and instead of being fired they'd simply be offered counseling. So we'll have you handle this with discretion. Yeah. Interesting. But yeah, by 1995, more than three quarters of employers had adopted workplace drug testing. That's crazy. Right. This is typically only done in Europe for safety concerns.

And in Canada, workplace drug testing is considered a human rights violation, which makes sense because, like, for instance, a D.C. police department admitted it used urine samples collected for drug tests to screen female employees for pregnancy without their knowledge or consent. So sorry, I'm not again, not shocked, not surprised, like bowled over for the moment a little bit. Yeah. And then what did they do if they found out? Did they just not tell them and just not hire them? That was the thing? I think that's right. I imagine. Or could you imagine then they're like, also

girl, you're pregnant. Sorry, we cannot offer you employment with this police department. But congratulations. Low key, you are preggers, my eggers. Okay, so just figure it out. Congratulations, girl uh you're not getting the job but congratulations on what i mean not i mean wink wink wink yeah anyways because of

human error because of the ability to like buy things that can help hide like there's all there's all these products golden flask urine novelty kit it says it's a fetish urine novelty kit but of course it's actually just for people to buy if your fetish is employment you're sick fuck you're into working

for a corporation that doesn't respect your human rights I think that's so hot don't you toil for me yeah there's the wizenator but yeah so there's just all these products to yeah it just doesn't even make sense who does it it's it's nonsense i remember like even in i remember high school right we graduated high school one of my best friends applied for a job at costco and he fucking almost fainted at the job interview because they made him piss test wow Wow. And like, but the thing was,

he knew he failed. Like, he's like, every day. He's like, but he's like, I went in confident. I was like,

yeah, okay, give it to me. And he's like, but they hired me anyway. Yeah. And I was like, oh,

interesting. It's probably a polygraph where it was like, if they flinch about taking it, they wouldn't hire you. I actually need to go get my mom from the airport right now. Okay.

And you run away and a bottle of golden flash falls out of your. I have a condition where I can't urinate unless I'm at home. Yeah. It's like home field advantage. You know, it happens all the time. But yeah, do away with the fucking drug test, please. Like it's. Yes. Yeah. It's like home field advantage. You know, it happens all the time. But yeah, do away with the fucking drug test, please.

Like it's. Yes. Yeah. Come on. Rebecca, such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you? Follow you.

Oh my God. This was ridiculously fun. Well, you can listen to crime writers on and anything else I do, but you can follow me on social media, including Twitter, because I have not left in a huff. There you go. At Reb LaVoy.

That's where I am everywhere. Yeah. And is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Yeah. Well, I'm sure you guys have talked about Jury Duty on the show with someone else, right?

Sure. So we'll retread that ground. We love Pauly Shore movies. Well, by the way, this weekend was the return of Selling Sunset on Netflix. Haven't watched it yet, but it's back.

Oh, yeah. It's actually coming out as we're taping this show. Yeah. But there's something coming out on Netflix this week that people should check out that I've seen a preview of. It's called Victim Suspect on Netflix. And since we're talking about criminal justice stuff and you want to get real pissed off, it's great.

There's a reporter, Rae DeLeon, who works at the Center for Investigative Reporting. And she did this long investigation about women who get arrested after they report being raped and the cops accuse them of falsely reporting being raped and then they get arrested. It's super good. It'll make you really angry, but it's really, really good. And I recommend it. It was at Sundance and now it's coming out on Netflix. It's really good. But also watch Selling Sunset. I mean, what's going on with Chrishell?

High art. I mean, Chrishell. I mean, I see what's happening in real life. I miss Maya. I miss Maya a lot. Oh, yeah. Maya was number one in my power rankings. Number one. But, you know. Yeah. Also a true crime podcast.

If you look at the deals that they're getting away with. You know what I mean? Yep. I mean, some of these places are a steal. All right. We'll have to see what happens with the Christine-less Selling Sunset. We'll see if it's still good. I think it'll be fine.

Exactly. Miles, where can people find you? What is the work media you've been enjoying? Exactly. Miles, where can people find you? What is the work media you've been enjoying? Oh, you can find me on Twitter, Instagram, other app based websites at Miles of Gray. You can find Jack and I on our basketball podcast, Miles and Jack. Matt Boosty's where we talk about, you know, the NBA, the postseason right now. My Lakers or I don't know what happened in game three. So it could really be or it could be, but Hey,

we'll have to find out, uh, next episode. Uh, and you can also find me talking about 90 day fiance, my favorite reality, trash fire show on my other podcast for 20 day fiance. So you know what time it is.

Uh, let's see. Do I like a tweet? Nope. I don't. I haven't, I haven't actually gone on Twitter, although I do see,

I see Casey DeSantis is trending. Oh, there's a Politico deep dive on her. Can't wait to read it. Yeah. Oh, wait, here, let me see what else. Casey DeSanctimonious, you mean. Come on, they all have to have the name, right? Exactly.

Oh, here's one. Okay, no, apparently this whole Politico deep dive is talking about how she's the one controlling everything. Oh, OK. Even the pudding. Yeah. Come on, you big slop pig. Go. Yeah.

Pudding was a psyop to get us to identify with him. They're like, everybody eats pudding with their fingers. Right. Like a four year old. And then he blew it by being like, that's not true. Sugar, man. Come on. I don't eat that.

I don't eat pudding. All right. Tweet I've been enjoying. Adam Sirius at Brow Tweeting tweeted me. I'm having hearing issues. Doctor, can you describe the symptoms? Me. It's a TV show about a family from Springfield.

That one really got me. And then Zach Dunn tweeted a picture of a, I guess it's a HBO Max ad, maybe. And it says, join your favorite plumbers on an epic quest. Rent or own the Super Mario Brothers movie at home with Xfinity. So it's an Xfinity ad. And he said, hey, bud, I'm only going to say this once. So listen close. You have no

fucking idea who my favorite plumbers are. Don't assume you know anything, Xfinity. You don't know me. All right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have

a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what's a song that you think people might enjoy?

Here's a song you might enjoy uh this is an artist from belfast named caliber and the track is called feeling normal and it kind of reminds me of like tom yorkie dance music like idiot tech by radiohead like if you like that you're i think you'll probably like this because it's got like you know kind of interesting industrially beat with a haunting spooky falsetto over it so check out feeling normal by caliber oh and also if you really like idiotech i just heard a college acapella version of it by the virginia silhouettes from the university of virginia an all-female identifying acapella group uh so that's another one if you want to hear a spooky version idi idiot tech try that one off your side spooky radio head covers really like it's just a matter of time

until you hear that cover and it'll be it'll be in the trailer for super mario brothers 2 right right like The social network version about Elon Musk. We'll have that one. Yes, yeah. There you go. Oh, God. Yeah, truly. Idiot text.

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