The Daily Zeitgeist - Embryos Got Rights? Measles Are So Hot Right Now 02.22.24

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 326, episode four of Your Daily Zeitgeist! It's a production of iHeartRadio, and it's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it's Thursday, February 22nd, 2024. Two, two, two, two, four. Two, two, wait. Two, two, two, two, four. Yeah, exactly.

Guess what? Shout out everybody working in the supermarket. Supermarket Employee Day. It's also National Chili Day. C-H-I-L-I. Okay, for all you chili lovers out there, myself included. Nationals, cook a sweet potato day. I'm more of a T-Boz guy.

Thank you. Thank you. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Well, keep your left eye open, Jack, because you're going to miss National Margarita Day and everyone likes to see. Dude, spicy margaritas are everywhere now and I kind of hate it now. Everything's like, we have spice.

People have shit written on windows. I was like, we have spice. People have shit written on windows. I was like, we have spicy margaritas. Okay. Anyway. International Spicy Margarita Day. Shout out to all my Golden Staters. We're the poppies. Yeah, we'll start in that wildflower.

Yeah, the poppies bloom. You know what I mean? And it's National California Day. Okay. And you're flying back today. Flying back, yep. I'm out of Sunshine State to the Golden State. We're going to rip through this one.

Just real half-asser, as we call it in the industry, because Miles has a plane to catch. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Ooh-wee-oo, I've got resting butler face now. Oh, oh, can I take your luggage sir just don't ask me to iron over anything i'm not good at that down and oh yeah i suck shit at that that is courtesy of the b squad in reference to my time as a butler you, my first job or one of my first jobs out of school. Butler, which is just a concierge at a fancy British hotel. And I knew how to iron my clothes.

I did not know how to iron a gown, which I was asked to do very early. And a very patient, posh British woman showed me, was like, here, let me show you how to do this. And there, now you know how to use an iron. And I've married that woman. That's right. She's now my wife. Unimpressed. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

Yes, I may be in the 305, but it's still 818 every day. Miles Gray, a.k.a. You meet her for lunch just to hit a new low. She's faking a smile, orders her lunch to go. You tell her you're fine taking your time. She nods and gets up and then beelines to the door with her burrito. Break up at Chipotle. You're taking a nail. beelines to the door with her burrito. Break up at Chipotle.

You're taking an L. Mouth full of guac. Thinking, man, what the hell? Alright, shout out to Doc Lobster. For that wonderful AKA. Our guest today is one of my favorite to sing in front of because he just

puts his face in his hands and just fully appreciates how dumb this show is. Yeah. And gives it to us. The fever dream that I wander into every time I'm on. Yeah. Yeah. Look, you know what? I was broken up with at a Chipotle at an oyster.

And I mean, I have another breakup story out of a food based breakup story. I still haven't told. So I'll keep that one on deck for another time. It's amazing that you didn't develop like an eating disorder of some sort. No. If anything, I just learned to eat as fast as possible because I have no idea when the meal could be ruined by being broken up with. Yeah. You do eat pretty fast for a only child.

Usually people who eat fast are doing it to try and get the food before their siblings. I did spend a very good amount of my time in my childhood up the street from my house in a Catholic house that had like a bunch of kids. Shout out to Shrek family. And I would just like, I learned how to go ham in a very quick amount of time. Like I was eating like a firefighter basically. Just like. The Shrek family? Was it like Fiona and Shrek and their offspring like a firefighter, basically just like the Shrek family. Was it like Fiona and Shrek and they're all no,

no, no different spelling, different spelling. Okay. They were a little bit like, damn, we, the Shreks when the,

when the movie came out and I was like, respect, respect. We're thrilled miles to be joined in our third seat by a podcaster. Extraordinaire who is too good to be on this show. Come on. Well, what is he doing here uh you know him

from this day in esoteric political history from radiotopia a good sport from ted and pushkin 30 for 30 for espn the 538 politics podcast where i first caught wind of him the lead producer on the puzzler it's jody abriga all right i appreciate this and um sorry you have a plane to catch i appreciate that we're here on what is it national phone it in on your podcast days that's right no no it's not it's not i have i have plenty of time we got time yeah yeah we're just while you two were each singing, I just want to say each singing a like five verse ridiculous song. I had some time here to Google National California Day, which is a deeply weird thing that you would have a national single day to celebrate a state. But and I can't really figure out why it's February 22nd. Yeah, rubbing it in for other people that it's like sunny.

It's warm here. Yeah, it in to other people that it's sunny here. It's not bad. Your day probably sucks compared to ours on this National California Day. You know what's wild? It was only done because of this calendar website said it was. Thank you. It just said literally founded

in 2017 by National Day calendar to celebrate California as the 31st. It's a 31th state. Wow. They couldn't even spell 31st. It's a dog situation. Well, we have a calendar and we have to put something on every day.

There's 50 states, so that's a good number of days right there. It says to celebrate California as the 31th state it says 31 38 yeah 31 years in leap years it's the 31th yeah for sure for sure oh man we are in a leap year how's everybody celebrating you guys doing anything wild for leap year you didn't get my invite for my big leap year white party no it's it's in the hamptons it's just a real bash yeah it's amazing my homie's turning 10 which is kind of cool is that real yeah first 40th birthday he's turning 10 but we're calling it his 10th birthday does he have like a 10 year old's birthday no he's just because it's only come around every

four every four years. They're like, bro, your birthday doesn't exist this year. But he should have to celebrate that age. Yeah, right. As that age. Yeah, we'll go to Chuck E. Cheese

and we'll all get in fist fights with the other stressed out parents. Yeah. I'll get your first boner. There you go. In the ball pit, as one does. Nah, they got rid of the ball pit.

Too many boners. Too unhygienic. Because it's a Petri dish. It's ball pit, as one does. Nah, they got rid of the ball pit. Too many boners. Too unhygienic. Because it's a petri dish. It's all just a video game arcade these days. Yeah, yeah. Jody, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things. We're talking about, we got the first little taste of Trump's new reality show,

wherein he's going to be picking a vice president with it's i don't know that how much it's his idea and how much is the mainstream media's idea but i do feel like the mainstream media needs this they're like the primary is really under delivered for us and if you look at the video but like this is mainly fox news being like okay i'm gonna give you a list of six names and you tell like it's like up first or something you know you tell me if they're on your list anyways we'll talk about that we'll talk about frozen embryos being deemed literal children according to the alabama supreme court we will talk about measles making a comeback we love it don't we folks all of that plenty more but first jody we do like to ask our guests

what is something from your search history this last week has been one of the more busy weeks of my professional life in a good way but i've been like really just holed up and kind of with blinders on. So I haven't searched much, but the one thing I did spend a long time searching was, and it's my search history is mostly this, is New Balance 574s, which are one of my go-to shoe. And I've worn that shoe basically for the last 10 years or so,

but there's this very frustrating dynamic, which is I buy a pair, I really like them. And then they wear out and I go and look for that pair again But there's this very frustrating dynamic, which is I buy a pair. I really like them. And then they wear out and I go and look for that pair again and they don't make the color anymore. And I have this thought of like, I should just buy three when I find a color I like and just stock up. I've never really been that way, both in terms of sneaker collecting or foresight yeah and so this week was my one kind of like non working on podcast excursion was to try and stock up on colors that i liked in the 574s what's the color i spent way too long well they're not making a color that i love right now okay well what was that one just so for the sneaker heads out there so i can envision oh the one that i the last one i really well there was

one the one that like really led to this moment of regret. There was one, I don't remember the exact name of the colorway, but it was like, it had like a light blue, it had like a sky blue and a little bit of yellow on it. And it was just really, really nice. And it's the one that I wish I'd bought five of and just worn for the next five years of my life. Are you, are you like doing like a Steve Jobs kind of thing with your, with your sneakers? You're like, this is it. Like on the sneaker front, definitely. Like I'm not,'m not you know i like i like the way those shoes look they they they tow they tow a line that i think is perfectly on brand for me which is like very clearly by jody are intended just so we can get that out of the way yes there you go yes that was very intended

uh you know they project dad first and foremost which i'm very comfortable with but a little bit of you know a little a little more interesting and I think the 574 is square that for me, but yeah, I would very happily just like have 15 pairs of those sitting there and every six months just put on a fresh pair. Yeah. I, uh, just recently blew through my first pair of new balances that I'm like, oh yeah. Cause you know, I'm like, I'm like, I need my dad's shoe life. I need comfortable shoes. I can't just walk around in untied Jordans all day like I used to where my feet just get wrecked. Yeah. It does hurt your feet when you take a lot of steps in a Jordan.

Untied shoes? That's the big thing. I barely tie my shoes. Like, I only started tying my shoes like maybe two years, like a year ago. Yeah. So, yeah. I keep them loose, and some of the Jordans are starting to feel to me in my old age like the boots from the face-off prism. They're just magnetic to the ground. I have to use a hand to get my legs moving a little bit.

Around the house, are you a socks or a slippers person? Socks. Socks. I have socks. And I have grippy socks too. Like in the pandemic, when it started, because I don't wear shoes at home, I just had socks that felt like they had traction.

I'm going to be like, well, I'm not totally fucking around with my footwear right now. Yeah. You like to be able to jump stop wherever you are, even in. Oh yeah. You got to be able to stop on a dime. Yeah.

Euro step. Yeah, exactly. After repeated blows to the back of my head trying to do that. Yeah. I was like, I gotta get grippy socks. Yeah.

What, uh, what's something Jody that you think is overrated? This is not exactly exactly overrated because i love it but i was thinking about this past weekend i conned my daughter into alphabetizing my vinyl collection for me which was great it'd been like two decades of of mess and then i was like oh this would be educational to her and you know really it was just finally getting around to doing it so we we sat down and we authorized my vinyl.

And most of it is like stuff that I bought, you know, for like $2 a record, $3 a record, like many, many years ago and have hauled around. And I love, you know, I love listening to it. But I've gotten a little bit into just buying stuff on vinyl, like a lot of people have lately. And it's really expensive. Like, it's crazy. And I was reading something yesterday

about someone saying kind of like, everyone that they know who collected vinyl for like the practice of it, you know, not necessarily for the fidelity of the audio, but like just, it's fun to collect and it's good to, you know, it's nice to look at the artwork and it's nice to have music collection.

All those people, at least this person claimed, are moving to CDs now because you still get that act of collecting but like you're not dropping 40 dollars on a piece of vinyl so i think vinyl is riding this weird like maybe overrated curve or whatever i think it's gonna i and i start i've started to feel that myself too like oh it's really fun to do this but gosh i cannot drop 25 to40 every time I get a new piece of vinyl. You don't think, because I've thought about this myself, and the reason I've justified my vinyl collection is that if there's like the world's electronics go out, my CDs are useless, my MP3s are useless,

but I can still put my ear to a needle and move the record around and still hear the music or like use a gram like to me it feels like the one apocalypse proof form of recorded music yeah if you had to do that just like hand rotate the record i feel like that would get annoying for you i think there was a whole in the director's cut of Station 11, there's like a 10-hour section where they're just listening to Nina Simone by hand cranking it around. It's really an incredible scene. Heavy too, vinyl, right? At least compared to CDs and tapes. Oh, sure.

Yeah. So people are skipping the tapes. Right. Well, that's the other question, the tapes. But I guess the tapes aren't as interesting of an, and they're not as stackable and so forth. And if you're really just in it to kind of, like, be able to flip through stuff or whatever and just kind of be like you're collecting, then CDs might be the answer. But I think, like, a lot of the hipper bands are putting out tapes now, too. Like, I've noticed that in L.A. where they're like, nah, dude, put our demo out on fucking cassette.

But then it, like, it sounds like, whatever. Go ahead. I mean, it's cool. I get it. Do what you want to do. Throw back shit. No, it's funny. You go to Bandcamp and you buy it and the options are basically like MP3, cassette,

and $50 vinyl that'll take eight months to arrive because Taylor Swift gets to print all of her stuff before any indie band gets to print that. All the world's vinyl is going to making the Taylor Swift vinyl it's a huge shortage it's kind of an incredible thing that all these big artists like leapfrog all the all the other folks who want to put stuff out on vinyl is it the material that there's a is it like helium like one of those materials that secretly is just like we have a finite limit of vinyl i think it's more the manufacturing facilities, but I'm not sure. But I think it's that, you know, vinyl has taken off in the last few years,

but not to a place where like it's worth opening a vinyl factory in Cleveland or whatever. So there's still a limited manufacturing capability, but like a really exponentially growing demand. And so then, yeah, it's created this whole thing where like taylor swift can put out all her back catalog on vinyl you know have it on shelves in a week and indie bands need to wait like eight months in line you know right will there ever be music stores like physical media stores again like not not you know used record stores like we have now, but will there be a future where there's a record store?

It's not abnormal to see one, do you guys think? I think so. I mean, at least in New York, there's like... I mean, I was at the... Rough Trade has a proper record store here in New York, a flagship store. And it looks like a record store. It's a bunch of new vinyl. And actually, there's a cassette player I noticed on per se out there too but i don't know i mean

i don't think there's going to be in every neighborhood or on every corner but yeah right oh wow it sounds like too it's like because cds you know became the the norm all the vinyl operations just started to cease to exist and so you're left with like less plants, but also apparently there's a place that the Apollo Masters fire of February 2020 also had a huge setback on the vinyl industry. The only plant in North America equipped to manufacture vinyl lacquer discs, which is a key step in manufacturing process,

had a three alarm fire that completely destroyed its facility. That's crazy. So, yeah. So now people are going to a manufacturer in Japan. Oh, yeah. So this shit is, yeah. Wait, can I tell you my favorite little fact

about vinyl records that I learned just fairly recently? And I'm sure I will get corrected by the Reddit page if I screw this up. But it's something like this, that the physical way that a needle interacts with the grooves on a record has a little bit to do with the instrumentation on the record, right?

And it's basically that higher-pitched stuff has shallower or smaller grooves, and more bass has bigger grooves. And moreover, as the needle and the arm gets closer to the middle of a record, it becomes a little more unstable just because of the physics of it or whatever. Which is all to say that throughout the 60s, 70s, when they were pressing vinyl, it was very risky to put bass-heavy songs towards the middle of a side of vinyl.

Right. Because it could potentially throw things off. So to me, I've always been like, oh, I love all these Fleetwood Mac records where the end of side one ends on this beautiful acoustic little piece. What wonderful track listing or program. And it's actually just because of a physical problem

that they have to do that. But it has defined for me so many of these records that they end on these little acoustic moments. Yeah. Oh, shit. They put the bangers up top. Yeah. That, basically.

The Beatles' White Album opens with Back in the USSR or whatever. And then... Amazing. What's something you think is underrated, Jody? Mittens? I know that's not that interesting. Actually, no.

Wait. Wait. Can I ask you a question? Sorry to break the water. Can something be underrated if it's on the list of favorite things from the song Favorite Things? Just a question I'm putting out there. That's true.

We'll let the listeners decide. I don't know if this is underrated, but it's something that I've really loved in my life and I'm ranting to everyone about. But it's this product. I don't know if they're going to sponsor the show. Maybe they can sponsor the show. It's called Brick. Have you heard about this? Brick.

Oh, yeah. I thought it was Mittens. Oh, no, no, no. Sorry. I switched from it's called brick you heard about this brick and it is oh no no sorry i switched from it have you heard about this i love brick yeah i threw one through a cop car's windshield yeah no exactly exactly they're great uh no no so so brick is this is this device i've been on a long quest to like remove apps from my phone and sort of not get caught in the rabbit hole of you know social media and all that stuff on my phone and sort of not get caught in the rabbit hole of, you know, social media and all that stuff on my phone. And I've tried all sorts of things, including going to a flip phone for a while. And that was no good. And I had to go back. And I finally discovered a thing called Brick, which is a product. And it basically is a piece of software that lets you decide what apps you want to have on and what apps you don't want to have on. So you can basically

take your phone and just say, like, I want Maps, I want Spotify, I want so forth. You know, I want all these things, but I also don't, but I don't want to have all the social media and email and all that stuff. And the way you turn it on and turn it off, the way you activate it is by tapping it against a physical square device called the brick. And that thing lives on my fridge. So it's sitting on my fridge and when i want to basically unlock my phone i have to walk over and like tap it against this little thing that's that's on my fridge and when i leave the house i can't unlock my phone it because the brick is back on my fridge and it has done wonders it's incredible i have I have finally kind of like un-rabbit hold my phone

and I only have things on there that are like useful and I don't have any of the distractions. Yeah. Oh, so it basically is like, okay, time out for these other apps until you come back for the brick tap. Okay.

The physicality of it's cool that there's a physical space that's like your, that's like base for your phone. Like, oh, I'm off base. I can do this. Yeah, no, that's exactly right. physical space that's like your that's like base for your phone like i'm off base i can yeah no that's exactly right yeah yeah right yeah that's that's because the problem is that like iphones have that screen time thing where it's like you can tell it close all these apps but it's still the way to unlock it is still on your phone and you find yourself going and undoing the settings and the fact that it's just a physical separate space has um made

all the difference like it's really yeah it's great it's like you can't psychoanalyze yourself you can't fix the broken tool with the broken tool exactly and you can't you can't fix your phone addiction with a button on your phone right now that's exactly right that's cool i love that give it a shot have you have you ever like accidentally not unlocked your phone and like gone, been out for the day in New York City? I mean, I'm doing it every day. I'm basically, no, when I leave the house, my phone is bricked, you know? And so I've had to like tell people I work with, I'm like, I don't, I no longer have email or Slack on my phone. If you need to reach me, text me or call me.

And it's fine. Or just generally fuck off. Yeah. Or just generally I'll be back in a couple hours. Yeah. That's pretty cool. pretty cool all right brick and mittens you know brick and mittens sorry it's sort of uh under i undercut the mittens when you can keep it in or you can mittens i think we keep it in mittens are great mittens mittens are are great just one of a few of my favorite things let's uh let's take a quick break and we'll be right back and get into the news.

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This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. We're back. And this is just a little minor one, little check-in but fox news did a little uh town hall event hosted by laura ingram where she asked trump about six possible choices for his running mate desantis scott ramaswamy donalds byron donalds gnome and gabard are they all on your short list i'm i didn't watch it i'm picturing this having the music from who wants to be a millionaire behind it as she's like do you will you lock

this in and trump said yeah honestly all those people are good they're all good they're all solid which people people are like oh my god my God, he announced his short list. No, he didn't. He just answered the question that you posed to try to make this into a story like that. The mainstream media needs a something right now to fill in for the fact that there is not going to be a primary season that people will pay attention to. And so they're going to go with this would be my that's my prediction is that they're just going to really turn this into the bachelor vice president edition. Yeah, it'll be the fascialer and the fascial and where this is all headed.

Jack, I'm really glad you kind of honed in on that dynamic of how that question got asked, because it is such a hallmark of how people ask questions of Trump and how he wants to be asked questions. But it's this like reporter floating an idea. And then all Trump has to do is yes and and play along. And yes. And it's like people do not. You know, I i mean you're literally collaborating with him in that point in that way to create this news moment and sure that like i guess at fox news but even you know quote unquote mainstream reporters find themselves playing that

game where they'll just like float ideas and then trump i mean he will go along with almost anything that you say to his face if it has this tone of like you know it's a lot like i think she could have snuck in like stacy abrams's name like into that list and trump would have like oh yeah like them all you know yes i'm into it you know like you could like he just so that was the dynamic that i most sort of jumped out to me it was so frustrating and we're seeing it all happen again the way that he gets asked questions. Like he hasn't actually thought about these people. He isn't going to actually engage with their merits.

He's going to make it a reality TV show. It is like hilarious and fucking heartbreaking to me that DeSantis is on that list because DeSantis will never, ever, ever, ever get picked. No. And mostly because he's too short and that's just like how trump works right but you know it is just so funny that he's on that list does that help him that he trump kind

of towers next to him you know like i think trump i think trump like literally just thinks of these people as casting and when he gets it in his head that he's too short he's just too short right or does he think of it like he's like pence was too tall and he had a spine i need a i need a weakling who wears custom boots so i can really push him around and embarrass him because it feels like he would if desantis was his vp he'd probably like folks i want you to look at ron's boots they lift because he's a short man yeah show everybody why don't you for the class just humiliate him like that would probably be the most entertaining is he has desantis and then just makes him eat shit because

i also desantis what turned out to be like heading in when he's on the cover of time magazine and people are like he's just smarter trump i was like this guy's gonna be like very boring and he was actually one of the more fascinating people to watch run for office because he was so uncomfortable and weird. So I don't hate the prospect of him. Again, I don't think it's going to happen because Trump is just like, I feel like he's more likely to just like pick the liver king or somebody with big muscles. Big muscles down here, you know what I'm saying? I pick the undertaker from WWE. Having DeSantis squirming in the spotlight was a fun spectator sport. I wouldn't hate that. If there's anything that Trump notices, it's that. Trump watches TV with the sound off and he just makes you know he just looks at someone

and de santa's like sweaty squirming under the loser yeah can't smile he's a short loser he is a short loser it turns out which yeah unfortunately for him uh trump did especially laud tim scott but mainly for how much scott talks about him so i again if he's trying to pick the best sycophant that's going to make him look good maybe this is the pick he's trying to pick like the strongest the strongest guy which seems like what he he did not pick the strongest guy the first time around he just picked the one that his supporters were telling him or you know his analysts were telling him was the best kind of strategic triangulation move but he said of scott i watched his campaign and he doesn't like talking about himself but boy does he like talking about trump so yeah it's kind of like the whole thing was just you know sort of rigged de facto meant

for his nomination anyway. It's like, well, I can't speak ill of the guy who I'm going to have to beg for a cabinet position eventually. So, yeah, here we are. Almost as if. All right. Let's talk about the Alabama Supreme Court. Yeah. In a first of its kind ruling, the Alabama Supreme Court just declared that frozen embryos are children and those who

destroy them can be held liable for wrongful death making it even more terrifying to be a doctor in alabama now yeah this is this was i think inevitable a lot of people once you know roe fell were like you know ivf is also the other thing because these anti-choice people fucking would love nothing more than to go after ivf and get continue the sort of like these these cell clumps are people and they have rights and if you drop a test tube with it in there that could be murder although that still we still don't know what the bounds are of that law but the very least there are stiff penalties that could easily bankrupt any sort of health care provider because of you know something happened and this you know this comes from these lawsuits

where these parents who had ivf treatment had their embryos frozen and like a patient at the hospital where the embryos were at had got access to these embryos and then dropped them. Pick them up with his bare hands. Yes. Something that is cryogenically frozen. I don't know if you've seen the movies, but that's a little bit. I think that's not like taking a pint of ice cream out of your freezer. But anyway, and then, yeah.

So because of that, these embryos were destroyed and the parents sued the clinic for, quote, wrongful death. And the court loved nothing more than to oblige them and said that, yeah, these people do fit the definition of a person or child.

The quote from the Chief Justice is fucking terrifying. Dude, this is wild. So, yeah, the chief justice of alabama supreme court said that you know the people of alabama have declared and have adopted quote the theologically based view that quote life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy god so just so no more capital punishment alabama is that what wait no no no no oh my bad my bad but then also how conversely how would you look at the idea of science being able to create life out of the you know the the actual human intercourse version versus you know because

right now ivf eggs are retrieved, they're fertilized with sperm, and then they're rated for quality. And the higher quality embryos are the ones that are transferred to the uterus. And often more than one at a time are done so in order to increase the chances of success. And so that's the that's the thing where this chief just like, well, there is a version that you could do that wouldn't put it at risk. So in this version, according to this chief justice, who is not a fucking doctor, is basically saying every time an embryo is created, it has to be transferred to the uterus. And regardless of quality. So you're saying like and if a doctor be like this has actually a very low chance of being successful, like, well, we got to try because that embryo is a person. And if you destroy it, then that's that's a no no. And you will incur the wrath of a fucking

holy God. And this is like obviously terrible because it's just it's expensive. It's needlessly very painful for the patient. And this is just sort of like the abortion bans where logic does not prevail, where they're like, no, the doctor must wait until the patient is like on death's doorstep before they can intervene and ask a court if it's okay to terminate a pregnancy. And the chief justice is sort of logic for this more arcane version of IVF that he feels is more in line with God's law. He was like, well,

you know, uh, it's, it's fine because the Italians made this a law back in 2004 and then completely left out the part where the law was fucking rescinded a few years later because it was so fucked up and backwards. So yeah, this is just a very, uh, you know, the next sort of the next target in terms of reproductive rights that anti-choice people are going after. And yeah, obviously people are scared because it could go to other states. yeah, obviously people are scared because it could go to other states. I mean, you're right to point out that, you know, it is clearly there's just a top line agenda here and everything is kind of retrofitted to fit into it, including not sort of thinking through the ripple effects, as you were saying. But like on the on the front end, I mean, it's just I don't know, maybe it's a state in the obvious,

but like the idea that you're trying to essentially make a law that points out that like a random person shouldn't walk into a facility and grab frozen embryo things and then accidentally drop them on the ground. Like, do we need a law? Yeah. Do we need a law? Exactly. Do we need a law that then defines embryos people in order to kind of like put guardrails on that kind of behavior? put guardrails on that kind of behavior. And so clearly like,

you know, this is exploiting a moment in order to take a bigger, a bigger stance here and set some really sort of scary precedent. But I mean, like not everything. And I understand this how law often works, but like it was probably another way, you know,

like maybe the Supreme court should have been like, how about a key? Yeah. Right. What if we locked that shit? Yeah. How about, how about gloves next to the cryogenic freezer? Yeah.

But the gloves have the Bill of Rights, the gloves have the, you know, some Bible verses on the back. Right. The Ten Commandments on the back. Did anybody notice if this justice's hands were bandaged up while he was delivering this? Because it feels like the sort of thing. You think it's an inside job. Yeah. I saying so show me your hand sir it's it's clearly the most efficient way to get this ruling yeah exactly yeah because it's like such an inexplicable move like moved by the person to just go in there and be like do do do do do

yeah what are these things do yeah so this is going to have immediate really fucked up consequences for fertility specialists they don't really like doctors aren't even sure how to proceed in light of this because they've been given absolutely no guidance and it's just so kind of out of left field that there's not a clear path forward for them so no yeah and like using laws from like the 19th century to like kind of be part of like their reasoning i mean it's just you know it's by every definition the most regressive uh form of of creating a law to punish people for whatever again because the agenda is these clumps of cells are human beings and i think that's what a lot of

people whenever these sort of declarations are made, you're always like, okay, so then what does that mean? Like, what rights do they have to make if they are a person, then do they have don't they got rights? And then how does that work? But the other thing is, too, with these embryos that are stored, they're saying that, like, you can't these these IVF clinics have to store the embryos like in perpetuity. these IVF clinics have to store the embryos like in perpetuity. Like there's no, there is no like disposing of embryos. They said, even after quote, even after the couple's children, grandchildren, and even great grandchildren have died,

they must remain in cryogenic storage. And again, it's just to make it completely. It's like cascade of little ripple effects. I mean, I can just imagine like the clerk for this judge, like every 10 minutes walking back into his office and be like, okay, I just figured out like we're going to have to answer this thing too. It's like, okay, scramble.

Oh, but what about, okay, so I guess that's store them forever. Okay, write that down. Okay, now we're going to do that. Yeah, right. Oh, my God. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. We're back. And the fallout from Trump's financial ruling keeps coming. First, he started selling those sick golden sneakers at sneaker con and now new york is losing two of its most promising and successful entrepreneurs the guy who made dilbert and the dumb guy from shark tank are both they've both announced if new york's gonna be a dick about it then they they're not. They're not going to do business in New York.

So this is following the ruling that Trump has to pay $355 million plus interest for lying about his wealth and inflating the value of his assets. Canadian businessman and Shark Tank goon Kevin O'Leary told Fox News that he will never invest in New York now because it is a loser state. Sir, are you vying for a cabinet position too? What's going on? He said it was already a loser state like California is a loser state. There are many loser states because of policies, high taxes and uncompetitive regulations. It was already at the top of the list of loser states we get i would never invest in new york and i'm not the only person saying that i love he he really has the trumpism of like people are

saying i'm not the only one a lot right everybody everybody's saying these people are losers it's the the new york's the top of the loser state this is so funny to me like a burn book yeah down yeah six great bullshit loser behind your back and they just don't tell you your face It's so funny to me. It's like a burn book ass takedown. Yeah, sixth grade bullshit. Everybody says they're a loser. Yeah, behind your back. They just don't tell you to your face, but everyone's saying it. Also, if there's one thing O'Leary is an expert in, it's being a loser,

according to his turn on Celebrity Jeopardy, where he got worked by, is that Aaron Rodgers? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think that's Aaron Rod rogers at twelve thousand eight hundred dollars and mr wonderful at negative two thousand eight hundred it's up there with wolf blitzer on the list of like celebrity jeopardies where you're like oh this this is you this paints you in a completely different light than what is portrayed on television yeah i wonder if this wolf did poorly i didn't i didn't catch that one oh man really yeah yeah you gotta you gotta watch

the highlights of that one it's pretty fun i think he's also it's him and also the other person is i think senator mark kelly it looks like yeah i mean i remember that being like one of the rationales for like why he might be a good host is that he did well in Celebrity Jeopardy. The fact that Aaron Rodgers is at twelve thousand eight hundred and Senator Mark Kelly is at eight thousand six hundred. An astronaut, you know, yeah. And then Mr. Wonderful's ass, he owes money. ass he owes money yeah and then scott adams of course wrote on twitter that he's canceling all new york city business trips until the trump property seizure is reversed also no new businesses with new york entities so oh and people were like yeah did the publishing industry move towns

but we'll see they don't fucking work with him anymore oh right right right right people questioned why he would even be going to new york he defensively said everyone in my line of work has regular myc trips but since his strip was dropped by its distributor after he went on a bunch of racist tirades his line of work these days seems to be making youtube videos and soliciting crowdfunding money with cartooning lessons and a new, I guess there's a new like red band trailer version of Dilbert that you can get. A red band trailer version of Dilbert. Spicy Dilbert. Oh my gosh.

You know, I got my start here in New York in public radio and worked for WNYC. public radio and worked for WMIC. And this story of people claiming to leave New York and take their business elsewhere is the oldest story in the book. And I mean, it often plays out with New Jersey and New York and New Jersey cutting its taxes to try and lure businesses away. And it's occasionally happened, but it just does not happen. People do not follow up on this. I mean, I think for the obvious reasons, but it's like, this is the cultural capital. This is the human capital. Like people do not realize that like, this is where the people who actually you will need to populate a lot of your businesses are. And I just like, I don't know how, what, what game people think they're playing when time and time again, you know, even like, you know, post pandemic, this whole story about office

occupancy being a huge problem in New York. It's like bouncing back in the last six months in a way that people didn't really, you know, it is starting to bounce back. I just I just think people don't realize that they are never going to win by like playing this game with New York City. Well, yeah. And also just having like the least principled boycott ever to be like. And I'm standing on like this is this is this is a very like highly moral ground these are this is why i'm saying we should do it like because even truckers were also getting in on this too they started grumbling about how they could bring new york city to its knees over this shit by boycotting the city one trucker

on tiktok maybe i mean there's a media element here too right that it's like yeah we put a spotlight on these people when they're grumbling and then we don't actually follow up on their actual well because yeah there's this guy like you're you're referencing chicago ray on tiktok and he said i've been on the radio talking to drivers for about the past hour and i've talked to about 10 drivers uh-huh and he said i don't know how far across the country this is or how many truckers are going to start denying loads going to New York City. But I'll tell you what, you fuck around and find out. And two days later, he took the video down and folded like origami.

And then he said, quote, Just to be clear, I'm no figurehead of any movement. I'm not leading, nor have I encouraged or am I encouraging anyone to do anything other than what they were doing prior to the ruling friday in new york city and they also mentioned that his grandson saw his shit go viral on tiktok and i think presumably maybe didn't want to embarrass him any further because it's probably bad enough that his grandpa goes by chicago ray other truckers just out of like they immediately dismissed this boycott they're like dude i haven't heard a single thing about anything being close to an organized boycott or strike or whatever. And it seems to be like there is organic anger over New York City from truckers, but that seems to stem from the fact that a lot of truckers are now made to pay tolls in the city. And they're more like that would probably

be a bigger reason where you'd see something organized from truckers, not because we're all like, it's not fair that the guy who did fraud and hasn't denied that it was fraud, he just said that he has a right to do it. I don't like that they're enforcing the law against this person. Still, I mean, that's a pretty big statement coming from, I mean,

that's the, he covers Chicago territory for all the Rays? Yeah, I mean, he is Chicago Ray. He's the Ray for all of Chicago. But what he is chicago ray he's chicago ray for all of all of what is new york ray have to say oh i know exactly that was that was what it was on my mind but maybe maybe they famous ray versus chicago ray right there's so many rays in in new york claiming supremacy over one another the first famous rays famous i think there's a there's a pizza shop i've seen called like original famous rays yeah just like and you know you look at that sign you're like

there is just like 30 years worth of backstory to that collection of words the original not like those busters over one block up i think there are like a dozen that claim to be the original famous rays but yeah god the the ray wars of like the 1970s or whenever the fuck that happened that would be amazing uh famous rays i don't know what they're famous for i don't think it's their pizza because that is probably i'd say like famous rays is the most mediocre of the new york pizzas like it's it's good because like it's not thinking of the one in ford green which one are you thinking about i'm thinking of the one on like in the 30s on the east side yeah that was the one that was like close to my the the apartment of like that i spent most time at at that time so and it was not good

but yeah it's also highly variable too which not not great for a pizza chain all right should we talk measles uh huge comeback with a with the possible exception of justin timberlake's album the worst comeback of 2024 has been measles. Right now, there's a measles outbreak at a South Florida elementary school. Uh-oh. Miles, have you been... Hey, why am I on trial? Have you been hanging out at any elementary school? No, this is where the court order actually really is saving your butt here.

butt here. The World Health Organization just warned that last year's measles cases saw a 79% increase from 2022, which is pretty bad for a disease that was declared eliminated from the U.S. in the year 2000. The big problem here, of course, is that vaccination rates are falling. In 2021-22 school year, an estimated 93% of the country's 4 million kindergarten children had recorded getting their recommended vaccines for guarding against measles, tetanus, polio, and varicella, which might not sound bad, but that number was down from 94% the previous year, 95% the year before that. It also means that nearly 250,000 kindergartners are potentially not protected against measles, which is- I think you mean 250,000 kindergartners are now open for natural immunity. That's right.

Right. Exactly. To be naturally immunized. Yeah. Yeah, I've been immunized. That's what my kindergartner asked when I said, wait, did we get you your vaccine? Yeah, Dad, I've been immunized. Yeah, remember those three weeks of school you missed? You were getting immunized. But yeah, like any vaccines, you know, it's not 100%. So you need large vaccination numbers to act as a firewall to keep it from spreading. And we are trending in the wrong direction. There have been reports of measles outbreaks in recent years prior to the pandemic, like the one in Disneyland. But following the COVID shit show, things seem to be getting worse,

thanks to what they're calling spillover hesitancy, which is, you know, fear of the COVID vaccine causing people to avoid other vaccines. So there's a dynamic here that obviously played out during COVID, but like there's a distinction between vaccine skepticism, which I think is, you know, worth interrogating and it's pretty, it's pretty awful as well. But then also this downplaying of the disease itself. And I mean, that's one of the, you know, many of the many things around COVID that just made me so disheartened. It's like people were twisting themselves into logic to then just say like, oh, actually you're not that sick. And I think that's starting to happen here too, where people would be like, oh, measles is not that bad. It's not just

I'm skeptical of vaccines for all these reasons that I've deluded myself, but it's more for that next logical step is then to say that these diseases aren't bad yeah it's natural it's from the earth man what's more natural than measles it's been killing measles and measles don't hurt the black plague yeah yeah the i mean so there are a lot of people actively doing what you're describing downplaying the severity of measles like the president of the children's health defense which sounds like a cool great name sounds like a name that like 10 years ago i'd be like sign me up children's health defense but now like knowing what we know i'm like this was founded by rfk jr wasn't it and guess what it was yeah she said it's not a super

severe serious illness when you're a child. It's a couple of days and spots and then you move on. And kids love spots. Like my kid loves polka dots. She didn't say that last part, but like that's basically trying to make it into like a fun, a fun thing. Yeah. You know, we shouldn't be too worried about. Unfortunately, there is a type of thing called

a wellness influencer, and they've been promoting the idea of measles parties to expose kids and just like get it over with, which is a very dangerous relic of the past that largely ended with the availability of vaccines and now is coming back because do you know what's in the vaccine can because then yeah no further questions your answer do you know what's in your diet cream soda you're drinking right now fam uh no and soda no further questions your answer no further answers your question your honor yeah no i like no honor questions your answer but yeah i mean it's just like it's so wild too because like every time like the so all of this started because of that fucking stupid debunked medical journal post

about the guy who was trying to link the mmr vaccine to autism and the every journal who published it had to retract it they had to be like this guy's a fucking fraud and it was exposed that he only started doing this for his own personal gain because he had a financial stake in an alternative mmr vaccine and that was like his way to be like oh man this will get like this is the best this is the best marketing ever and now look at where we are and yeah you have people constantly being like i just don't know like i know people who've said to me like i just don't know like what'll happen if i take the covid vaccine or whatever i'm like what what are the possibilities that you've heard of and it's like

well i just don't know you just don't know i can't predict the future it's just like okay yeah no that you're right i I guess that's true. And there's nothing that we can do to argue with that. So, you know, how you'll react if you have COVID, do you know, absolutely for certain that there's a 100% chance that I won't have a bad reaction to this vaccine? It's like, no, we have the numbers where here's the percentage chance that you'll have a bad reaction to the vaccine. And then here's the percentage chance that without it, you're going to get a serious case of COVID that will kill you. And then one other question, just as I weigh my options, but like what are, you know, at the measles party, like what are the snacks? Right.

They are used lollipops. They're lollipops. Everyone comes in, lick a lolly, leave it at the door. Then you reach in a bag, take one out, lick it, put it back in. And we do that for about five rounds and then we're okay. New York had a measles outbreak in 2019, I think it was. And the measles parties thing came up. I just found articles written around that period where my heart goes out to the reporter who has to write an article headlined,

Why Measles Parties are a bad idea for parents. Yes. And they have to call up a very credentialed person from the CDC and ask them, should you have measles parties? And then the doctor from the CDC has to give a quote saying, you should not have measles parties because, quote, vaccines are very effective. Yeah. You have to write up this whole article, but yeah, you shouldn't have a measles party. Then they have to write a first-person account. The clink of the glasses and hum of children chattering with one another. Set the scene here.

You want to go Gonzo on this? I think I need you to go Hunter S. Thompson on this one. And then R.F.KK Jr. himself, of course, has been a major source of measles misinformation. He once claimed that chicken soup was more effective than the vaccine. There he is. Your presidential candidate, everybody, RFK Jr. Yeah. Yeah. The people on the right are arguing, of course, that measles vaccine, not really talking about the measles vaccine so much as just blaming any outbreaks on migrants being allowed into the country by Joe Biden.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I also just like how there was like, in fact, like when there was an outbreak at like an immigration detention center, what a euphemistic name for that facility, like that. They're like, oh, man, like it's because of the migrants in there. We're getting all this. We're getting like all this outbreak happened. And it's because a lot of the staff, there were plenty, many staff members that refused to get vaccinated. vaccinated anyway it's just a snake eating its own tail at this point but hey it's joe biden i wonder if they have the what what else they can blame on i guess they they're really there's no there's no end to what uh conservatives will blame

migrants for like anything no like yeah like taylor swift is popular because of migrants they're actually the ones playing her songs and that's why she's so popular and actually migrants are responsible for you know whatever whatever the outrage du jour is yeah all right well jody uh it has been a pleasure having you as always on the daily zeitgeist where can people find you and follow you well it is always a pleasure to come on i really am in awe and you've set the bar you set the bar at the beginning of this show for the amount of singing so i just expect every time i'm on so that it'd be more and more i don't know people can find me i you know you thank you for saying all my credentials at the top there but i don't know i'm still making the puzzler that's

very fun people should go check out the puzzler it's a daily puzzle podcast hosted by aj jacobs i think he's been on yeah i think it was on with you guys. I think we're going to try and get you guys on the puzzler sometime soon. So, you know, it's very fun. So people should keep saying that, you know, I believe it when I'm on. But, you know, I guess we'll see. Yeah, we actually get that. You know, great.

Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh, you know, I ripped through that that Hulu FX series about Truman Capote. I don't know if you saw that. Capote, The Swans. The Swans. The Swans. Yeah.

Like I, yeah, just this past week, basically I watched like one a night for the whole first season. And it was great. It's like very dishy and easy to watch and just like an incredible lineup of actresses and actors. And then it's directed by Gus Van Sant,

who's a name I haven't heard in a while. Is it really? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like kind of beautiful and interestingly directed. So I don't know. It was very fun to watch.

Amazing. Miles, where can people find you? What's working media you've been enjoying? At Miles of Grey at the app-based platforms. Find Jack and I on the basketball pod. Yes, Miles and Jack. I've got my boostiesies and if you'd like 90 day fiance catch me on 420 day fiance a tweet i like uh it's a quote tweet by at

obra de arte i think is what uh that handle is uh the first is just a highlighted i think part of a wikipedia article it says william William Shakespeare wore hoop earrings In his spare time At that time it was customary for poets and religious people To walk with hoop earrings in their ears And He was Latina With the big ass hoops That's great

You can find me on Twitter At Jack underscore O'Brien A couple tweets I've been enjoying America's lounge singer At Crang T. Nelson tweeted You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. A couple tweets I've been enjoying. America's lounge singer at Crang T. Nelson tweeted, one of life's little joys is when you don't watch a show because you don't feel like it. And then when the season is over, everyone agrees that it sucked. Yes, I was right to not watch that show.

I chose not to because I am wise. And that's just a feeling that I identify with. Like, yeah, exactly. Exactly. I knew you were going to hate the ending. And that's why I didn't watch it. And then Mike F at Deputy Warlock tweeted, when people get food poisoning,

they always tell you it came out of both ends, but there's no need to malign the ass in that scenario. The food was going to come out of there, regardless of whether it was poisonous. Leave the ass alone, okay? Just do what it's done. Go easy on it. That's right.

You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? I mean, we're just talking about vinyl and just classic vinyl sounds, and I just think of breakdancing and DJing.

The vanility of it all. Yes, yes, the vanility of it all. And this one, The Poets of Rhythm. This track is called Augusta G.A., and it's just poets of rhythm this track is called augusta ga and it's just one of those seminal b-boy breaker tracks got a great drum break in it and look you know sound cool at your next party by saying like oh is this the poets of rhythm augusta georgia yeah it is so check it out yeah bitch it is duh anyways you can uh find that song in the footnotes the daily zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio.

For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for us this morning. Back this afternoon to tell you what is trending. And we will talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series

Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me for I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports.

Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry.

Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty. Founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts.

There's a lot to figure out when you're just starting your career. That's where we come in. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in people who do, like negotiation expert Maury Tahiripour. If you start thinking about negotiations as just a conversation, then I think it sort of eases us a little bit. Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.