The Daily Zeitgeist - Empathy Wad, Michael Bay Back 5.21.20

Episode Date: May 21, 2020

In episode 635, Jack, Miles, and Jamie are joined by War On Women singer and the author of Making Spaces Safer Shawna Potter to discuss the Trump administration trying to shut down covid-aid, GOP seeking doctors to support their re-opening claims, some covid-19 conspiracy theories, Trump threatening to withhold federal funding for states considering vote-by-mail, Michael Bay planning on filming a pandemic-themed thriller, and more!FOOTNOTES: Trumpworld Wants to Pump the Brakes on COVID Aid, Figures It Can Spend Closer to the Election GOP seeking doctors to back reopening strategy: report Trump Fans Gobble Up His Favorite, Unproven COVID Drug—Some Are Even Trying To Cook It Themselves Trump threatens to withhold federal funding for these states considering vote-by-mail "Anti-Coronavirus" movie filmed in Arizona in 7 days A Coronavirus Thriller Was Finished Just Before the Shutdown Adam Goodman & Michael Bay Team On Pandemic-Themed Thriller ‘Songbird;’ Production Starts In Five Weeks The Biggest Conservative Dog Whistles in Michael Bay’s Benghazi Movie 13 Hours WATCH: War On Women - Pleasure & The Beast Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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well we are thrilled to be joined in our fourth seat by a first-time guest the brilliant and talented shauna potter damn so close hello shauna Potter. Happy birthday. I hear it's your birthday too. It's my birthday too. Can you guys do my AKA and just sing me happy birthday? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Happy birthday to you.

Yeah, it could be in the tune of Flintstones. That's fine. Oh, yeah. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to Shauna. Happy birthday to Shauna Potter. Poor Potter. Poor Potter.

Poor Potter. Potter like Harry. That's all you need to know. Happy birthday. Quar birthdays are so complex. I'm very excited to do the same thing I do every night, which is have a lot of wine out of a box. There you go.

Is it out of a box? Oh, yeah. Oh, what kind of box wine? I really like, it's literally called house wine that's the brand house wine is great and it's 17 fucking dollars and there's so many glasses that come out and uh what is how many bottles worth is it in a box i think like four yeah and i'm a fan of uh melbeck is my favorite if anyone's looking to send me that sweet sweet wine money via Venmo at Shauna C. Potter go ahead

but yeah it's gonna be obviously a very chill birthday okay so we'll get that Malbeck fun going Zyte gang so Shauna can have at least a box at least one box I think we chip on a box or dry dry wine money I can't speak today, Shauna.

It's good to have you. Yeah. You front a feminist punk band. Yeah, called War on Women. Hell yeah. I watched some of you guys' performances, and seeing you live looks like an amazing experience, which leads me to believe that this probably sucks for you, this whole quarantine thing. Yeah, you know, it's really

hard to complain knowing how hard so many people actually have it. I really do try to practice gratitude as much as I can and try to put things in perspective. But the idea that everyone I know relies on live music in some way, they're working there, they're performing, they're touring, like my closest friends, we're all just in this very weird state of being stuck and realizing how much we relied on that on that um that socializing you know yeah yeah there's just like we we've talked in recent weeks just about the the energy of a live musical performance and that there's something kind of irreplaceable about that that uh yeah i i think that's like one of the things that i think most people can't wait to experience again i'm sure in your case especially well and also shauna you got a book

out called making spaces safer that's about sort of you know obviously you as a musician working in music very male dominated spaces and this your work is about creating safer spaces for artists fans alike, and what that looks like. And, you know, consent culture, are you going to have to add an addendum for COVID-19 on top of it?

It's like, okay, we're past the predatory men and people that could be at a club. Now I have to talk about people who are not safe with their germs. It just, there's so much I think about now. Your assumption that we're past predatory men. Yeah.

I think it's all fakes. I guess the part of the book that addresses that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. White male supremacy reigns king, I think, still. But yes. Like, I definitely still have friends that are like, oh, weird, I was totally harassed wearing a mask and no one could see my face in public

and I'm still being harassed. Or I actually really like how it sort of prevents random strangers from talking to me wearing the mask. It like adds that extra layer of like, nope, we're all supposed to leave each other alone. So I hate to find silver linings in a global pandemic, but that's certainly one of them. I was pissed. People are still doing the little honk honk when you're like they're oh yeah because that's all they can do yeah they're they're like oh okay this is a social distance harassment it's kind of a galaxy brain approach they're like okay we're a safe

distance from each other and i'm still making you upset but i want i want you to feel like you're in toontown and a car is harassing you. Fun. Check out my gams. They just keep evolving. It really is, I think, a good time for people to brush up on safer space stuff because I really do think that when we all feel

safe enough to gather again, I keep using this word, but I keep thinking we're just going to go buck wild. We are going to go. I think that is the scientific word. But thank you. Yeah. I've been I've been overusing it lately because I'm just imagining like everyone going from the rafters and like downing beers and like going nuts.

And and we just I just don't believe that we'll have the patience to think about, oh, what are some good safer space tactics? Did I write up my sexual harassment policy? Like, that's not going to happen. People are going to be so concerned with having fun or serving people that are having fun, making money off people having fun, which they need to do also. And so now is the time to, like, brush up on how do you intervene when you see harassment? Because we can still see it when we go to the grocery store because harassment against Asian Americans is up. It's still happening now, but now's the time to make sure that we're solid

on how to help other people. Yeah, I think it's a great thing for people. I think for those of us that are, I think, the listeners of this show and everyone included in this conversation are conscious of those things. And I think if enough of us can at least be those sort of nodes in the network to try and transmit that information to our other people as well, we can begin to see something. Because I think, yeah, this really is an opportunity for at least to give people a moment to at least contemplate things like that across,

I mean, not just consent, but how we're treating essential workers or how we're treating each other and things like that. So I'd hope we can go into like a, can we treat each other better hibernation along with, yes, go buck wild, not like the MTV show, but go get wild out there, but also respect each other and do it in a new 21st century way that feels somewhat more humane and empathetic. Yeah.

And I really hope I've made it really easy with the book too. That's the point of this book is that it spells it out, makes it really clear, really like here are the tips. Like it's not, this is not a theoretical book. I did not graduate from college. Okay. So this is just to tell you, here's how we can do this. And it's really simple.

Yeah. Listeners might not be able to, well, definitely can't see this, but Shauna knows what she's talking about. She has a book shelf, a whole shelf of books behind her right now. And you've read all of those. I've read some of them even. Wow.

I just buy ones that look cool on the wall. One whole shelf is books that I still have to read. Luckily, when you write a book, people are like, well, here's some more books. And I'm like, okay, I guess I'll get to it. That's not how I really got into this, but thanks. Yeah, no, you read books, not me. Probably the classiest of any of our core guests. Just the bookshelf, the framed photographs up there

yeah no i was actually commenting specifically on twilight uh i'm a big fan uh all right shauna we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about we are talking about uh the republican strategy to not blow their empathy wad all at once right now they want to you know pump the brakes on that edge it baby edge it edge it because they've got who told them about edging that's so nasty i ran paul they've got. They've got an election coming up, and they just want to space this out like a Hollywood plot. They want to edge this out.

We are officially in the horseshit phase of the pandemic fight. A lot of us thought we had reached there, but now it's official's official just some of this is why full court horse yeah we're also in the mail-in voting war uh so we'll talk about that trump is officially declaring war on mail-in voting but on your rights on your rights on your rights uh we're gonna to talk about Michael Bay. He's got a movie, the first movie, that's going to go into production

after things open back up. It's called Songbird. And guys, it's about the pandemic. Oh, boy. What if movie, but pandemic? I hope he brings back the His Wife headstone from The Rock. That would be better still the war like barbara hummel

of all the horrifying things in the michael bay film canon that is the most egregious i'm so glad i we i've i rediscovered that on the episode of bechdelcast. I went on to talk about The Rock and my aggro male 90s action porn flicks I was watching. Yeah. I feel like his entire career now is a reaction to the negative, like the somewhat negative, like slightly negative response to his first handful of movies. He's now just declared war on anybody who's not a right-wing aggro action fan.

He's just like, oh, you didn't like that? Well, you're going to fucking hate this. You didn't like Armageddon, motherfucker? That's the best way to make art, actually. I'd wager that there's a significant... That's how we got to Darker the Moon. I bet there's a significant portion

of the population that would be absolutely more distraught if Michael Bay's films vanished more than like the Bible. Like 100%. Like that would be... Like already people are like, you're going to take God out of schools.

But if you're like TNT is no longer going to show Michael Bay films. FX will no longer show Michael Bay. They'll be like, what the fuck is that? First, they took God out of schools. They took Armageddon out of FX and TNT. Dude, that's his next movie. You're doing it right now.

I know. It sounds so good. You're giving him his ideas for free. That's true. That's what we do here we're gonna look at the slow death of Quibi all of that

plenty more but first Sean maybe not death maybe just the we're in the we're in the act two talking about movie structure we're like things are very dark right now all is lost but then quibi is gonna come back come roaring back to success yeah and win the big game with a full

court shot uh but shauna before we get into uh quibi's dramatic resurgence what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Well, I've recently been searching the best programs that help you manage your time for a work project, which is super boring. Wow. So the next thing, I don't actually even want to talk about it. So the next thing that I could tell you is that I searched for what order to watch all the Marvel movies in. Oh. And so I did it in release order except for the Hulk because I don't give a fucking shit about that character. Wow.

Which Hulk? You don't like a good guy fueled by masculine rage? I'm just not. I just don't care. I just don't care. I'm on bored for that i've been like trying to talk my son so somebody but my two-year-old a book of like that has goes through the alphabet and each letter is like a different character in the marvel universe and they can't wrap their mind around the fact

that the hulk is a good guy because he's just like constantly enraged and throwing shit around in these pictures. No, but he's exactly the kind of guy that someone would say, well, he's always been really nice to me. Right, right. Oh, that's because you haven't seen him angry. Yeah, he turns into a what? Doesn't track with the guy I know.

He's just a sweet little guy. He's like a scientist or something. I thought his jeans were all ripped like that because that was like his punk style. That speaks well of your kids, Jack. Yeah. Galaxy-brained, yeah. Toxic masculinity.

On the other hand, the idea of looking at someone and being able to just say, good guy or bad guy every time is probably not the most accurate way to a prism to view the universe through but uh definitely works for the marvel universe although loki complicated uh what is something you think is underrated underrated i honestly i think maybe we're all learning how much we underrated live music.

Yeah. I'm discovering this myself. Like, I took it for granted, you know, that I'd be on tour for weeks at a time. I could technically see live music every night and usually decided I need to take a break. I need a nap. I need to go talk to people. I need to catch a break. I need to nap. I need to go talk to people. I need to catch up on work. I need to, you know, like after, after two nights with one band on tour, you're kind of like,

okay, I get it. Right. No matter how much you like that band. And now I'd give anything to, to be in a loud room going, what? Over a beer, you know? Um, but yeah, I think I just didn't understand how much that was a part of my social life is getting together and how, how good it is for our mental health to, to see people gather and share an experience like that. And, and,

and also my own mental health, just being able to vent about what I'm pissed off about every night is is invaluable so just play loud yeah i mean i i kind of recommend everyone do it once right like being a punk band and yell about the shit that pisses you off um yeah because because my neighbors aren't appreciating it right now you just yeah i'm sure and i'm sure like a lot of you know what your fans get out of it is is similar to what what you get out of it and i'm sure they're they're missing that too it's wild to see people comment and and and and really just yeah to see how much people miss it and be like oh yeah this is the thing that we could i could go to any shitty bar at any time and go see a band

in baltimore right like there's so many bands in Baltimore. It's a great music scene. And the fact that I was like, nah, I'm good 90% of the time, I'm like, man, I really hope that I don't take it for granted in the same way in the future. I'm just dying to go to the Echo and see one of LA's 3,000 surf rock bands play oh my god i mean i mean that really flippantly because like when i when i was playing in a band i'm like why is everyone playing the same fucking psych surf rock shit but i really want to like now i'm like fuck it bro like send i'll go i want to be there i'd love to yeah i love that super cool shoegazer effect you put on

your with all your pedals on that guitar. I love it, bro. Just keep doing that. But it got to the point where I was watching YouTube videos of my band playing and sending it to my room like, dude, remember this show? Dude, do you need someone to talk to? That's very heavy.

I had a very vivid fantasy yesterday of just making an excuse for leaving somewhere early, which I do all the time, but just being like, yeah, sorry. I've got like a thing tomorrow. So like, it's been great seeing everybody, but I gotta get the fuck out of here. I'm like, man, I'm rusty. I'm rusty. I'm not going to, that is my, that is one of my top skills. Yeah. Yeah. What about on the phone these days that's true well i gotta go because i don't feel like talking anymore my dog is on fire i can't be on the opposite i'm like where you gotta go where you gotta go right now what do you mean you gotta go what do you do what

shut up worst nightmare being like these don't make me lie to you that's honestly that's the the most aggressive move you can pull on a group Zoom call. Where are you going? Where are you going? What are you about to do? We know you're not going anywhere. Dude, you just cried about how you got broken up with, fool. You're not going nowhere, dude. Hang out on the call with the homies.

Rough. These are people you just met on that call? Yeah, I just Zoom bombed calls. And they're like, dude, I told you to password protect this. What is something you think is overrated? This is not timely at all, but I feel like if a pandemic isn't the right time

to hold grudges, I don't know what is, but I feel like the show Firefly is overrated and I'm still mad that my friends like it. What's that? I'm still mad that my friends like it. What's that? I'm still mad about it. Strong take.

Are you guys all like a million years younger than me and you don't know what Firefly is? I just haven't seen it. Well then don't. That's all I'm saying. Don't worry about it. You're fine. I've historically, yeah. A lot of his stuff isn't saying don't worry about it you're fine usually i i've historically yeah a lot of his

stuff isn't isn't i don't know it's just not i but i also haven't seen buffy so i guess i know of firefly because when i early when i first started using twitter when i was an aspiring writer i used to follow i follow jane espenson uh and like his her her tweets are like really interesting comment or tips on writing that i thought were really great. And then I recently started watching Buffy with my partner Her Majesty, but now I realize this is, is this like a part of that universe or is this from her mind?

Is she the show, like what's Jane Espenson's connection? She wrote certain episodes. Oh, got it, got it. It's strictly a Whedon joint, right? Like he created it. I believe so, yeah. Got it, got it. And it has the most annoying theme song I've ever heard in my fucking life. And it's like the chords never resolve.

And it just drives me up the wall. And I just, I had so many friends that were like, no, that's pretty good. And I just, I'm still holding onto it. Are you a Buffy fan? Because wasn't this like the thing that Joss Whedon like followed Buffy up with? Right. Well, see, here's now I will age myself.

I was a fan of the original movie. So I was like, why a TV show? That's pointless. So I totally ignored the TV show. I probably caught it in the afternoon after school sometimes. You know, I didn't hate it. Right. I didn't care about it, which is the worst insult i could give him it's so sad because she's like such a big christy swanson such a big donald trump supporter and you're like oh whatever she is i know that

yes dude christy swanson is fucking out here showing her ass constantly with her conservative tics. That is a damn shame. We have no heroes, okay? That's true. All y'all have are us, the podcasters. I'm always looking for an excuse to skip watching a show and not having to watch it in the end. That's Sarah Michelle Gellar.

That's Sarah Michelle Gellar. That's the TV show. Chris Swans is the movie. You can't skip the movie. Right. And you can't skip the movie because it also has Liz Perry, R.I.P. I've seen Scooby-Doo. I feel like I've seen Sarah Michelle Gellar's best work. Yes. Almost definitely.

Oh, my goodness. I've seen her work as Daphne. You are obsessed with Scoob right now. You can't drop it. I'm on Scoob-tare. Scoob-tare. You're missing out. you're missing out you're missing out i thought i knew everything at smg too till i saw once more with feeling that buffy episode from season six uh well i will get

around to buffy yeah no and i mean look it's not mandatory for anyone i'm just locked up with someone who has like buffy like carved into their skin it's like you're gonna watch with me too if i'm gonna watch sopranos uh but hey but it's a trade i'm loving to watch with me too if I'm going to watch Sopranos. Hey, but it's a trade. I'm loving Buffy, she's loving Sopranos. It all works. Yeah, it's fair. Hated, deceptive, hated. Sopranos is definitely having a thing.

I think we need to do something Sopranos-related fairly soon. Maybe that can be one of our re-watch things over the weekend. Too dense, man. An episode. No, like a single episode. I don't know. As a Baltimorean, I feel like I should push

that everyone rewatch The Wire. I feel like I'm on the move. Never heard of it. Is that a good show? No. Oh, yeah. I'm just joking. It's my favorite show.

The Wirefly? Shh. No. The Wire is kind of the Firefly of HBO Prestige. What is a myth, Shauna? What's something people think is true, you know, to be false or vice versa? Oh, that the clit is only what you can see from the outside.

Hey. There you go. Wait, which one's the clit? Yeah, exactly. Wait, what's that? That's a different podcast yeah i don't know how much you want me to say about this but uh oh no please i mean this is we talk body parts everything like like that like the history of of of people learning exactly uh the

shape and and size and function of the clitoris throughout history and then people people being like, no, no, no, let's forget that. We're not going to teach that. Nobody cares. And then someone rediscovers the clit. It happens every 30 years where they're like, you guys, it's actually this big internal thing. And everyone's like, what? The fact that that has cycled through multiple times

is fascinating to me and really really shows like how much people just kind of hate women and don't care about them in general um but i love love love love uh just how weird and wonderful of a thing the big bulbous clitoris really is it's fascinating so if you don't know what it looks like, find a diagram, Google it, because it's cool. Yeah. BBC, that's how a lot of people don't know

that that's what BBC stands for, is big bulbous clitoris. Yeah, big bulbous clitoris. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, there's that documentary, this movie is not rated, that talks about the fact that female

sexual pleasure is like the one thing that you can't show in movies and that that like resonated so much with like that just speaks so much to like what our culture is afraid of and what our culture is trying to control so much it's like one of those things that just like bleeds through. You can show like male pleasure in like a PG movie. But if you even remotely show a woman getting off, it's an R right off the bat. And you've just like 13-year-olds will never know that they're allowed. Like 13-year-old girls will never know they're allowed to come.

Yeah. And that's a thing. That's totally a thing. They specifically cut it out of movies like if a woman is shown coming or you know having even like something approaching an orgasm on camera they will be like this is an nc-17 until you cut that shot of her face like you can't show yeah it's It's not even. Yeah. Now release the army of ignorant men who don't know how to pleasure women. Right. We have a song about the gender orgasm gap called pleasure and the beast. And it's,

and it's just about that. How, like, if we don't learn about our bodies and how they work, how can we tell someone else and how on earth would they ever know? You know, like we're all clueless about female sexuality and pleasure and it's bullshit. So that song is kind of about how I had a lot of catching up to do in life.

And I certainly made up for it. There you go. Hell yeah. All right, Shauna, we are going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about what is happening in the news.

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No, you mean you have to listen to us. I mean, you can still watch us, but you got to listen. Like, if you're watching us, you have to tell us. Like, if you're out the window, you have to say, hey, I'm watching you outside of the window. Just, you know what? Listen to the Amber and Lacey, Lacey and Amber show on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And so Democrats and even some conservatives have pointed out the need for additional financial assistance for people who have lost their jobs in the pandemic. There are people who are starving, who can't feed themselves, who can't feed their families. It's clear that one $1,200 check or even a second one are probably not going to get us

through this. Uh, and so there, there are people within the GOP who are basically saying, yeah, that's cool. Like we, we get that people need it, but you know, when they're going to need it even more is when they're almost starved to death and it's almost the election. And then we give them money and they're going to be like, wow, thank you. Oh, just make it rain on us, T-Rump. Yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, yes, the House Democrats, they're like, here's our next bill that we think people need. And we talked about it. That is going to bring relief to the

citizens but the gop always finds a way to wag their finger at working people who need help or anybody who's not a billionaire asking to siphon off our tax funds so they can you know reallocate the wealth that in that direction and yeah like jack's saying there what's really interesting about this people are out here just saying the like full-throated okay this is from tom davis who's like a former congressman from virginia he just said you might want to make sure you have not shot your whole wad now this is something he said when asked about additional relief for for citizens he says you may want to have something ready to go in september it's an election year the long term in this cycle is till november that's what the long term is. Not to derail, but the idea that

this guy's talking about a wad, like, again, speaks to the fact that, like, male sexuality is so normal and mundane. He's like, because you know how it is. After you come, you're not going to care about what happened, and you're actually going to want to run away from the situation. So if we're going to be good, we better

just stick around until we get there, and then it's fine. I guess you got a point. And also that he's like equating like doing a one to one with like coming and preserving human lives where it's a luxury. OK, so maybe it's so gross. Like it's he's like, yeah, we're really going to need to hold our wad and let innocent people die for no reason. And then I'm going to come at the end of the year. Which is the only way that Republicans can come is if there's more people dying. If someone poor is starving. That's true, yeah.

That's their porn. Porn, P-O-O-R-N. They can't come without blood on their hands. But their whole thing, yeah, it's just the same. It's like, well, it's fine now because clearly what they just got now was the pre-cum and clearly they got pregnant off of that so just wait till the wad hits and the election is ours so you know now what they're saying is like but even people who understand the economy that are conservative are like yeah okay like i get you just don't want to spend that money but but the problem is 70% of our economy is consumer spending.

So if they don't have money to give us back to, just write back to us, then nothing works. So maybe you do want to give them a check. And so the guy who runs Sinclair Broadcasting was telling Trump about this idea. He's like, dude, how about you hand out these prepaid debit cards that are fucking Trump-branded debit cards?

Mnuchin had one of these cards yesterday. It wasn't a Trump card, but it was a, it was like a debit card. Similar to like, if you got like unemployment in this state or like other States have their like prepaid card, but it has like a gigantic Trump signature like on it. He already did that with the letters.

Like if you received a hard check, um, you, you got the big, I mean, and that was a big deal too. That's so manipulative uh yeah yeah so that whole thing is like and but the but a lot of these other people

who are like running industries too are asking for bailout money you're like hey you know like economic populism could actually be good for you too like there's it's not just going to be a bad thing although i know your instinct is just to give all the like cut up the pie and give it to like the one percent homies but this could also help you know like the election part of it uh but you know we'll see apparently he called jared kushner into the room after the guy gave him the said pitched the idea of the trump card he's like get in here you've got to hear this it's my name on a lot of things. More things than it's ever been on. That'll show. That'll show Russell Simmons.

Unfortunately, that is smart marketing. Like that's, he's just applying. That's the only thing he knows. Yeah. That's literally the only thing he knows how to do. He's great at predatory marketing. Like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if we all got a card with money on it, we would spend it, right? No matter what was on it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if we all got a card with money on it,

we would spend it, right? No matter what was on it. Yeah, yeah. Right. It's hard to imagine. I mean, maybe there would be something you could spend it on that would be some form of protest, but still, probably everybody would spend that.

On the barrel of that signature. Yeah, that's just real. Yeah. So, I mean, I think along with that though, too, like is we're shifting into just full on,

like everything is horse shit. Nothing's real. We can't, we can't actually have like meaningful discussion or media coverage because we're too busy covering the dumb shit. And right now, like it's full on horse shit mania right now. Like the hydroxychloroquine thing is unbelievable. And I think it's great because rather than talking about like, you know, the coverage being about, oh, you've completely botched the pandemic response.

Rather than like, you know, if you're in a test failing your test and you don't want people to talk about that, just start getting naked and peeing in your mouth. And everyone's like, we're not talking about that. You failed the test. The story's like, this guy's peeing in his mouth. I don't know what the heck. And this is what's happened with this hydroxychloroquine thing. It's just completely taken the focus off. People are fucking dying still and money is going the complete opposite direction we're talking about fucking hydroxychloroquine and now i don't even know want to know that name i'm mad that i even know the name of that medicine yeah exactly that you have and but i think this is the thing just like with the whole trump you know biosphere twitter

sphere take a tako sphere all of his followers now have their marching orders which is like all right hydroxychloroquine is the new culture war battle we're all gonna go in to make to pwn the libs and you see it from q anon followers they're posting bootleg recipes to make your own hydroxychloroquine uh with like fruit rinds um and not to mention like some of these things like a grapefruit rind could react really severely with someone's other medication. There's another guy who's like, drink a bunch of tonic water because the quinine or quinine, however you pronounce that, in the tonic water, that's like hydroxychloroquine.

I mean, that's clearly just because quinine sounds sort of like QAnon. And they're just... Hydroxychloroquine. Cool. Yeah. like q anon and they're just hydroxychloroquine cool one yeah well no i think they are saying very sort of tenuously that like someone said like the amount of tonic water you'd have to even drink to even approach some kind of like uh sort of comparable uh effect would be like 25 bottles a day for a week straight okay but i but I'm going to follow that recipe, but I'm

not going to believe scientists that say don't fucking take that shit. Cool. Makes sense. Got it. Yeah. Sebastian Gorka is like using prescription bottles of hydroxychloroquine as like a status symbol on

Instagram. Glad he's back in the news. What a treat. So there's this thing called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, the AAPS, which sounds, that sounds official, right? American Association of American? Okay, go on. I trust it.

Sounds legit. Yeah. So Brad Parscale, the guy who's running Trump 2020, tweeted that this medical organization said that hydroxychloroquine has about a 90% chance of helping COVID patients. So have we been wrong all along? Because that sounds like an official body.

I'm willing to get pwned. As a lib, I'm down to get pwned. I'm happy to get pwned. As a lib, I'm down to get pwned. I'm happy to get pwned. If the science is there, I'll get pwned. If there's a cure that is in tonic water and fruit rinds that actually cures COVID-19, hell yes, please be right about something for the first time ever, QAnon.

But it turns out the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, not as scientifically rigorous as that name would lead you to believe. They are, in fact, a scam group that uses their official sounding name to just lend the appearance of medical wisdom to culture war battles uh like they they support anti-vax shit they support any conspiracy theory about abortions being like poisonous they have the the whole thing so judd legum who has like started this newsletter called pop Info, I would actually encourage everybody, every listener to sign up for it.

There's a free version. There's also a version you can pay to do it because Judd is a very good... Yeah, Popular Info. And he's an independent journalist. He's the one who broke that Kroger story. His newsletter is a really great resource in this era we're in because we have we get so much weird shit in the news that sometimes you'd prefer to get some independent journalism uh that isn't tied to a mega conglomerate corporation so with this you know he's going into

it their fucking hit list is absolutely absurd just to start off he went through this spreadsheet that the aap whatever this group is the spreadsheet that they use their evidence that that the hydroxychloroquine was actually potentially a safe thing to use. It's such a awfully, terribly manipulated spreadsheet. Like the data is absolutely cynically thrown in there to show a point that like experts looked at it and instantly got nosebleeds from just how awful and backwards this thing was laid out there's a fucking section in this spreadsheet that says dr oz treated two patients with covid19 with hydroxychloroquine and both of them recovered there's a fucking entire cell i feel like dr. Oz would have mentioned that. That's so weird. I mean, yeah, don't keep it secret, guy. Be proud.

And again, like Jack was saying, their hits include From the Past, Such Medical Genius Takes As, HIV Probably Doesn't Cause AIDS, Nicotine Not Addictive, Abortions? Oh, Those Cause Cancer, Antivax Conspiracy

Bullshit Up the Yin Yang, and the Grand Fucking Finale Drumroll, please. Oh, those cause cancer. Antibacterial conspiracy bullshit up the yin-yang. And the grand fucking finale from these people. Drumroll, please. Obama tricked Jews into voting for him using mind control. What? That's just a word jumble. Thank you very much. Allow me to just read.

This is what this group has put on paper out loud for people to read. Is Barack Obama a brilliant orator captivating millions through his eloquence? Or is he deliberately using the techniques of neuro-linguistic programming, a covert form of hypnosis? Techniques of trance induction include extra slow speech, rhythm, tonalities, vagueness, visual imagery, metaphor, blah, blah, blah. Obama said, 16 months have passed paused thousands pause of miles pause millions of voices obama is clearly having a powerful effect on people especially young people and highly educated people both considered to be especially susceptible to hypnosis it is also interesting that many Jews are supporting Obama.

What the fuck? Anyway, so that's who's giving the sign off on hydroxychloroquine. A very good impression of Obama. I thought it was spot on, by the way. Pause. That was just a pause. It is weird how he says the pauses out loud. Also, you can be a good orator and be trying to hypnotize people. Both could be true.

Yeah. Why is it even an or? It's true. I've seen it in movies. Yeah. It would have been convincing if he had been like four and then the next number he mentioned was three. And then,

but like, they're just highlighting random numbers. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, all this to say that like, this this is this is the new distraction also because i think the media has a hand in not wanting to take on the administration directly so it's easy to be like can you believe this guy said this goofy stuff can you believe people are

there's more poisonings now because of this when really all of this coverage needs to be, people should be an absolute uproar that the administration is essentially using legislation to systematically keep people from living a healthy life. And on some, a very cynical view is killing people. And demanding they go back for them to die. And at the same time, stealing our money and redistributing wealth again to the one percent this keeps happening and then they say well we don't have money for all these programs that your people need while the fabric of society completely continues to disintegrate that's what's fucking happening who gives a we know this guy's a fucking idiot now turn the fucking let's change the tune

now to this motherfucker's killing us and stealing our money. How about that? It is, yeah, it is on the media to, like, trade. I mean, these stories are, like, relevant, and I'm glad that they're getting reported. Like, the worst take Mad Lib organizations. But it's like you do, yeah, I feel like the pieces you read about that a lot often like kind of lack the context of like, well, let's trace this mentality back to its source and who are the powerful people. Because ultimately your average QAnon member is not that powerful, which they hate to hear. But like tracing, well, where does this mentality come from And who that has power and influence is reinforcing this and who stands to benefit from people doing the worst takes, mad lips.

Like that context is very rarely there. But it's important. I feel like it's critical into making a lot of the administration's agendas work is just having people that will double and triple down on finding any uh basically any like racist or discriminatory excuse to justify what the administration is already doing yeah that does seem to be the strategy that the administration is going with it's like they've noticed that their approval their support just remains uh locked at like the low 40s so they can't win anybody else over but they can you know even though that's not a majority there are ways that they can win

the election with just that chunk of the people and one of them is like motivating those people to go out and do uh you know dangerous things to intimidate other people and another is to invalidate the votes of the rest of the country that is opposed to trump's policies and they are testing the waters with a strategy that I think is going to be more and more of a part of the Trump 2020 strategy playbook, which is making it so that mail-in voting is no longer allowed or so that they can just take huge chunks of mail-in voting results and invalidate them. Trump is already saying, he threatened on Twitter yesterday to pool federal funding from Michigan and Nevada for mail-in voting efforts.

He claimed, incorrectly obviously, Michigan sends absentee ballots to 7.7 million people ahead of primaries in the general election. This was done illegally and without authorization by a rogue secretary of state which is not true yeah not true vote by mail applications they're like hey you want to vote by mail applications right which you're supposed to do i mean just wait you know they're gonna fucking pay they're gonna find some stooges to be the the false flag fake voter id people because they're gonna they need that they're gonna need that thing to point to to begin to like give

validity to their conspiracy theory about voter fraud well every conspiracy theory they have is something that they have done everything that they blame the left for they themselves are doing it and what they need though is sort of like just how um you know like with acorn and stuff like sending people in like they're going to need to generate a story with a specific organization to be able to like you know try and hang the this conspiracy hat on something because it's not going to be enough to just say like well i mean i all this voter fraud is rampant because none of the data supports that. So they know I think they need some kind of real data-ish thing, some controversy they can point to. And can you believe what happened in Las Vegas or Detroit or whatever?

What happened there? I mean, this group was full on making there i can't see them pushing this strategy without creating without being able to create that story somewhere to get their followers to be able to be like well what about that because they if they don't have that then it's they're not motivating yeah i mean it'll be interesting to see they they have managed to continue to make the claim that voter fraud is a widespread problem with like literally zero evidence to to that effect so maybe they'll just keep doing that that's just one of their tactics to to suppress votes is talking right like no but i think to get to a point where they can throw them away though like right yeah right And how are we going to protest

if we're still freaked out about getting this virus and like maintaining our health and the health of our families? Yeah. How can we actually mobilize? Like they are in the best position to fuck us all over in so many ways

because I don't want to leave my house. Well, especially because it's like we've already seen it happen in at least one of the like in some of the primary elections where people in wisconsin and a few other states were asked to basically like hey if you didn't register for mail-in voting like this is the only way you can make your voice heard is by you know pre-social distancing standing in line and you know it's already happened and the fact that the election is

timed up pretty close to when a second wave could start um is like cause for alarm it's like but like so much so much real change in this country has occurred because people were made to feel inconvenienced the people in power were made to feel inconvenienced and so whether that's a sit-in or stopping traffic or um you know showing up with a bunch of dildos at a at an office i don't know i just made that one yeah wishful thinking that was a bunch of dildos at my house because it's my birthday no um but i'm just like how how can we mobilize? How can we possibly inconvenience them by tweeting at them? The tools that we're left with are one tool in the toolbox. It can't be the complete picture of what we're able to do.

It's just so scary and maddening, despicable, that they're taking advantage of us like this. Ah, can't you see I miss being on stage and yelling about this stuff? Sorry. And feeling like your body's kind of been taken away from you as far as a tool of protest goes is very, I don't know, it just makes you feel so, I don't know, just more powerless than usual.

You're like, oh, I can't even safely use my own body as a method for protest because that would put potentially other people in danger like it's just okay well that's a good lyric i'm gonna write that down body for protest thank you that song is called the ballad of the ballad of zamboni they're going to cheat at the election like they're going to find a way to manipulate the vote and there's i feel like it's almost a matter of the the people who aren't part of the trump 2020 re-election effort need to be fully prepared to like figure out how we respond because it's not

going to be a normal election it's not going to be a normal election. It's not going to be a thing where like Joe Biden or whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being like appeals and like wins by a narrow margin in the swing states. And Trump's like, well done, sir. You have won the presidency. Congratulations. Like that's not gonna happen and i don't know what people are going to be able to do other than like literally use our bodies to you know protest the fact that the election's being stolen but like i don't foresee any possible version of the future where they don't try to uh cheat at the at the election like that's just gonna happen they did it in 2016 they got away with it now they're gonna do it more blatantly and it'll be easier this time is the frustrating

thing like it's they've been set up you know they've kind of been teed up to steal another election you know our activist elders and ancestors would be like okay then lose your life then go protest you idiot we already did that for you like fight to keep your rights like yeah somebody has to die to get to vote and that's not unique in this country which is messed up yeah it's like a regular occurrence so yeah yeah i think yeah that that's the thing is legally the democrats have exhausted their arsenal of responses like impeachment was the thing like okay yeah now fucking now what when the impeachment was like less than three months ago like that do you remember the way the mainstream media has react has treated that like man well you remember that like that was a member that that anybody cared about that anyways moving on like like that was

a mistake like that was a strategic mistake the attempt to hold Trump to account. It's wild. We're not really at a dangerous place. The danger is real. It's happening right now. He's taking the democracy, the version of America. It's dangerous now. It's like seeing a house get eaten up by termites from the inside out you might oh shit

that looks good you open the door the shit will collapse on you like it's not the yeah it's very of of decency is somewhat there and these other things but all of this shit is happening now it's happened voter suppression is real now like that we still have constant issues with access to health care we still have uh trans women of color being murdered still at a ramp even more so than like normal it's everything is happening now it's just unfortunately we have the news that makes it look like that's what is going on that's not what's going on what's that's what i think is the darkness. And even I think last week when you were talking about where we are,

it's here. It's already happening. We're just doing a really good job of ignoring it and being indifferent to it because it is overwhelming to say, I live in a state where people of color are murdered and shot summarily in the street without repercussion. People take our rights. People don't have control over their own

bodies. People don't have the right to live in a humane way. That's all real right now, but it's just easier to be like, oh, this guy's taking hydroxychloroquine. And meanwhile, some people really feel deeply in their soul like everything is really, really bad, actually. How lucky

does Trump feel that he got a virus to scare the shit out of all of us? How much does he love this? Right? That's the first time I've actually really thought about it. Like, I've thought he's, like, inept and incapable of empathy and he doesn't know what to do. But this is the first time I'm kind of thinking like, oh, he's glad. He's glad that we're all obsessed with this virus

and our health so that we can't help anyone else, that we're all only worried about our self-interest, which is understandable right now. To that point, I feel like there are some, not positives from the situation, but there are, I mean, activism is continuing. And it is difficult. And it's like people are trying to figure out how to evolve and how can we safely protest because ultimately, the last thing you want is to be involved in protesting

and then accidentally hurt your fellow protesters. That's the last possible thing that you would want to do. But it is, I mean, I have been very encouraged over the past couple months to see people just figuring out new ways to protest that extend beyond like screaming in a Twitter bubble, which is occasionally effective. Usually it's not. But like the organizations that I follow or am involved with or whatever, whatever is tangentially around, there's people who have been doing drive-in protests where they will park in front of like a city counselor's house and just fucking yell their heads off. That's a safe way to protest. That is really fun because you can just yell. There are places that are where unhoused people are reclaiming empty homes and empty units and saying that like, look, this is a huge thing in every major city.

There's always a ton of units empty due to greed. And there's always a ton of unhoused people that could use them. And there are, like, movements that are still evolving. There are still, you know, a bajillion people, Zoom calls of people that have energy and time and want to do things. And it isn't like, you know, activism and resisting things has stopped. It's just become very confusing and it's changed. But it hasn't stopped.

Just like everything. That's been the biggest challenge, I think, for all the people I used to organize with who are like working in the city and stuff like that of having like, how is there a way to effectively do this anymore? And yeah, it's it's frustrating because I think at the end of the day, we all just need to really kind of accept the fact that we actually have a lot that we have to do to get to a better place. Like, it's not like we, we want to improve on this place we're at right now. It's not that it's that we need to actually address a deficit, like a huge deficit that we've not addressed in decades. And that's what I feel

like when we get, you know, just the way the media covers these things, it completely ignores that. And it's just, it sucks doubly because now the people who are most vulnerable are being hurt even more. Can I have a tiny self-promotion moment? Yes, go for it. Like, I think that a general feeling of feeling out of control, like you have no power, I think that's really common right now. And I think that if you don't have to buy my book to do this, although it doesn't hurt. But if you want to have something to do and feel like you're being productive and helpful, like learning bystander intervention right now is great. Learning safer space tech is great. It's just it gives you something to do that influences your tiny world because the bigger world seems overwhelming. Right.

So just focus on what you can do. You can make sure every interaction you have or you witness is a safe one and everyone's being treated fairly like that's possible. Right. You can't stop every huge, giant bad guy, but you can make sure your world feels welcoming and inclusive. So whether that's through my book or not, like it's something I don't know. I just think people need something to do to feel positive about. Yeah, that is empowering, though, because then you can act. You have your feedback right there that you're affecting change in your immediate proximity.

Yeah, there's a time for the serenity prayer, whether you're a change in your immediate proximity. Yeah. Good time for the serenity prayer, whether you're a religious person or not, I feel like. There are a lot of ways that you can help. Obviously, I think what a lot of people have been doing is giving their money, which is important, and if you're able to do that, continue doing it. But there are ways that you can get involved and just like from a

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He's literally sponsored by the US military. yeah, I guess it's pretty out in the open, but it doesn't get talked about all that much. But anyways. Well, I think it's like a nuance of his work that like, you have to,

you have to actually be kind of aware to see, because it's not like he's always saying like, it's not like overt misogyny or it is an overt racist. Oh, wait, it is. Oh, yeah. Maybe. Yeah. I guess maybe it's covert in the sense that

I haven't been paying attention to his movies and that's my bad. So he made the Benghazi movie that was basically the dramatization of all the things that the Republicans were shouting about on the floor when they were just trying to work up an excuse to invalidate the Obama presidency. He turned that into an action movie. Now he is turning the coronavirus into an action movie and now he is turning the coronavirus into an action movie he's creating a pandemic set two years in the future it's called songbird and it's going to be the

first movie that starts producing once people are able to resume production uh they're already like you know figuring out the shooting schedule that's going to allow them to make it without people in the same room so i was gonna say how many people are gonna die making this movie specifically yeah so wait they're they're they're doing a social distancing production? Is that what the idea is? Okay. Yeah, I mean, they cleared it with all the unions. And I mean, this is as the unions are still trying to figure out how they're going to-

I mean, the unions are a fucking disaster, but I'm interested. Yeah, so they're going to have people prep the shot ahead of time, prep the room, basically do all the jobs that people are typically doing at the same time on a movie set, but one at a time in a room. And then they'll clear the room, and then the lighting person will come in,

and then the sound person will come in, and then the actors will come in, and everybody will just do their job one at a time essentially and i think it somehow ties into the premise of the movie that like it's a future two years in the future the pandemic has not gone away uh presumably there it's not that it hasn't gone away because donald trump has completely fucked things up beyond recognition. It's probably some sort of government conspiracy. And in fact, as they're pitching it, people who know the plot say that there is some sort of involvement

of a government conspiracy. Thanks, Obama. Yeah, thanks a lot, Obama. Way to go. The show's going to be... I mean, the movie's going to go the show the show is gonna be i mean the movie's gonna be a fucking disaster that goes without saying but it is interesting to hear like at least proposed plans i mean just i guess i guess in in our fucking liberal bulb in our little like socal bubble it is interesting to hear like proposed plans of of how people could conceivably maybe possibly go back to work in a way that is attempting to be safe.

I feel like we should let this production run its course. And also, I'm wondering, are there going to be oversight people there to make sure that these things are actually being reinforced? I feel uncomfortable with taking Michael Bay's productions at their word for things, let's say. What? Why? What's wrong? But it will be interesting to see what like protocols change and what the new precedents will be because it'll have to change.

Like, I mean, so. And there's a ton of like thinking about it going on. Like a buddy of mine who does a ton of Netflix shows, like the way they're even thinking about like quadrants of productions where there's certain crew fits in one of four quadrants and very few people have access to multiple quadrants to keep everything like contained like there's a lot of number crunching whiteboard stuff going on and like trying to figure that out on top of like having an efficient production uh but i think

the one thing i just want to say about this movie that i'm kind of pissed off about is like it's about a dude who comes back from italy and brings the fucking shit with him back from italy right cool so we can blame someone else well that i just love italy i just feel like it's a personal attack against me because if i go back again and i have this movie in my mind like it's going to completely taint people going back to that hatchet. It's also you can see when the premise was conceived. It was when Italy was the hotspot and America was like... Right.

Yeah. And now, why would you even need somebody to be returning from Italy for a movie set two years in the future when America is the hotspot and has been the hotspot for longer than Italy ever was? Like the epicenter of the pandemic. If he's still taking money from the U.S. military, and I need to find, there's a definitive piece on not just Michael Bay's history with getting endorsements from the U.S. military. Which is the U.S. military in general in film all the art and culture

that they take part in Top Gun is like a great, it's like a long, very expensive military recruitment poster there's people who work for the military whose job it is to find filmmakers who will frame

the U.S. military in a positive light and whatever, there's a lot of mutual benefits. And that's how they get access to the bang-bangs. That's how you get the tanks. You can't get the tanks unless you're making stuff that pleases the... Absolutely. Well, no, because on certain agreements,

the Pentagon has some kind of weigh-in on notes at a certain point when you're using those at a certain point. Like when you're using those vehicles, they get script approval when you're using like aircraft carriers and yeah. Fighter jets. Yeah. So this movie is not going to be good. I think that it's more interesting that they're going to be one of the first to try to figure out if you like,

you know, the methods that are going to be used. Also, who the fuck wants to see? I don't need, I don't want to see who the fuck wants to see? I don't need, I don't want to see, I'm trying to escape. I don't want to know.

I don't want to think about viruses right now. Millions and millions of people. I know, but I mean, I don't know if I saw the trailer, I'd be like, it's about people wearing masks who can't leave the house. It's going to be Mark Wahlberg growling.

At least like The Rock had like his wife and like cool urban camo. Mark Wahlberg is screaming through a thin mask, being like, we gotta go, Mark! People are gonna fucking love it. They're gonna love it. I just can't wait. Tom Hardy is the one actor who's been prepared for this because he always likes to have the bottom half

of his face covered up. So I wonder if he's just taking advantage of that in his personal life like with just really strong eye contact and like he he can speak an entire paragraph to somebody without using his mouth just like with his eyes um but like so i will watch the first tom hardy movie about the like that it requires him to wear a plague mask but other than that because you think he's in the lab right now especially like oh dialing it in imagine imagine what his mask game is like independence day that's another movie a day like yeah yeah independence day all the transport you're

right that it's michael bay like all the transformer movies are basically military propaganda vehicles. Yeah, they're like the Pentagon is the studio. And it works. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I joined up the day after I saw Transformers 2. Transformers 2?

The first one you're like, I'm not sold. The first one had me on the fence. But then, wow. That seemed like Bumblebee? the first one you're like i'm not sold the first one had me on the fence but then that bumblebee car really is a b-boy huh it's is that i've actually never seen those movies so i don't know some whack-ass shit i'm like this dancing fucking robot off the screen oh that's fucked up, yeah. There's a great YouTube series by Lindsay Ellis that analyzes Transformers movies from like every, like she does like a queer reading

of Transformers. She does like seven different readings of the movies and they're really, really funny and smart. Highly recommend. I mean, I'm sure they're better than the movies.

They are, 100%. Oh, by far. And much shorter. I mean, I'm sure they're better than the movies. They are, 100%. Oh, by far. And much shorter. Most of the things that are produced by Transformers, by the movie, that aren't the movie are better than the movie. There's this behind-the-scenes documentary about all these gadgets that Michael Bay invented to get the shots he wanted

and presumably invented with the help of the Pentagon. But he goes into these other countries and just treats them like a sandbox that he gets to play around in. And at one point, he blows up a car accidentally that was just parked on the side of the road, and it goes into a building that he hadn't cleared. Oh, my God. side of the road and it goes into a building that he hadn't cleared. It's just like pure luck that he didn't

kill anyone. You just see him be like, oh shit. That's wild. That one up there? Damn, can somebody check in there? Dude, that is like America's foreign policy right there. I know.

That feels like a metaphor. Whoa. Oh, my bad. Yeah. Damn, they died? Oh, damn. Good to know. Good to know there's another party.

How much is that oil, though? Damn. Right. Well, Shauna, it's been so lovely having you on The Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, all that stuff? Support you, buy you some box Malbec. You can buy me some box Malbec on Venmo

at Shauna C. Potter or find me on Twitter or Instagram or Facebook. Just search for Shauna Potter, wow, or follow Warren Women. Eventually we'll play again. We'll have a new album out when we get back to semi-normal. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying?

Yeah. You know what tweets I really like is the kind of the series of tweets that are like, fellas, is it gay to blank? So I saw one this week. The New York Post shared an article on the 14th that said men are less likely to wear face masks because they're, quote, not cool and a sign of weakness. And so this guy, Philip Henry, tweeted that and said, fellas, is it gay to be alive? And it's just like a perfect encapsulation of that whole toxic vibe.

Jamie, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter at Jamie Loftus Help, Instagram at Jamie Christ Superstar. I'm just giving another shout out to super producer Anna Hosnier on her birthday. Follow her everywhere. to ethnically ambiguous Listen to decades listen to the full host me a hoover

And then I'll also shout out a tweet from my friend Jared at the grimy ghost That there's there's a video component to this tweet, but it's worth it For all you wolf of Wall Street heads, I guess, the caption is, me when they end the quarantine too early and tell me it's safe to leave the apartment. And here's the video that goes with it. Hold on. I'm not leaving.

I'm not leaving. I'm not fucking leaving! I'm not leaving. That's pretty good Miles where can people find you and follow you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying Twitter Instagram, Playstation Network Michael Bay's house

at miles of grey yeah check me out on those cool spots let's see some tweets that i like uh first one is from my co-host of 420 day fiance sofia alexandra at the sofia it says comedians congrats on our parents really not understanding how we aren't on snl now that it's just people talking into phones um yeah i definitely wait so that's just what they're doing you could do that yeah mom i'm podcasting now but thanks but it's a podcast like you you should do that in one of

your sketches that's what my dad says to me for snl yeah for one of your comedy skits it's comedy skits too one of your comedy skits uh also from blair sake at blair sake i lose my fucking shit when anyone in my family tries to talk to me when I'm listening to my financial advice for women audio book. I just imagine like Blair fucking aggroing out to her financial advice. Get the fuck away from me. Very strong Blair energy. Those are my tweets that I like. All right.

And those are my tweets. We should end every segment like like. And those are my tweets. We should end every segment like that. And those are my tweets. Some tweets I've been enjoying. By the way, everybody, I always do a big thumb point at myself when I say that, just so you can imagine that one. You put your thumbs in your overalls.

Siege at SiegeJoyner tweeted, currently auditioning large bass players for my husker do cover band huskier dudes patrick verona uh retweeted this uh said think about this legendary joker review and uh the review is just one star if you've never swam in the ocean then of course a pool seems deep uh and then laura marie tweeted my superpower is buying movies on amazon the week before they're free on netflix identify you can find me on twitter jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we

post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we write out on Miles, what's that going to be today? So, you know what, in honor of Shauna's band, War on Women, and in honor of the Clitoris,

we are going to go out on Pleasure and the Beast by War on Women. Put that in your brain. Hey, who would have thought, man? I don't know if you guys checked this out. This clitoris thing has got a bunch of nerve endings, huh? What? Look into that. Like all around it, man.

Not even just on that. Check that song out. I've been doing that shit for 22 years. All right, we'll talk about it 30 years from now again. Bye. Yay. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do it for this morning. We'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to you then. Bye. shawna happy birthday shawna thank you Stop dating me. He said he felt guilty for turning me into a whore. Too late. There's egg on my face and I was expecting something more. I got my beauty from the beast. I got my pleasure from the beast. I got my beauty from the Beast. I've got my pleasure from the beast.

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