The Daily Zeitgeist - Exorcisms Are Up! Netflix For Birthers 11.28.18

Episode Date: November 28, 2018

In episode 282, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Jono Zalay to discuss Fox New's new Netflix: Fox Nation, evil percolating in the zeitgeist, Trump bragging that he blow's Ronald Reagan away, Scot...t Pruitt working with 'Fox and Friends' to control the narrative when it came to his appearances, Beto O'Rourke buzz, more shady news out of Russia, Paul Manafort lying to Robert Mueller, a gender reveal party gone wrong, a woman breaking marathon records on Taco Bell, and more! FOOTNOTES: 1. Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today's2. Why a medieval peasant got more vacation time than you3. Netflix for Conservatives? Fox News Introduces Fox Nation, a Streaming App4. The real resonances, and warnings, of Weimar Germany5. EXPERTISE AND SENSATIONAL REPORTAGE IN WEIMAR BERLIN6. American Exorcism7. Trump brags, ‘I blow Ronald Reagan away’8. ‘Fox & Friends’ Fed Interview Script to Trump’s EPA Chief, Emails Show9. THE CASE FOR BETO O’ROURKE10. Russia-Ukraine Fight Over Narrow Sea Passage Risks Wider War11. Mueller: Manafort Has Lied To Investigators Since Plea Deal12. Manafort held secret talks with Assange in Ecuadorian embassy, sources say13. Border Patrol agent pleads guilty to starting Arizona wildfire14. This Woman Downed Taco Bell to Crush a 273-Mile Record15. Daily Zeitgeist Merch on Tee Public (Discount code for 25% off: Zeitgang)16. WATCH: Fishmans - ナイトクルージング Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:22 the podcast where we take a deep dive into the world shared consciousness using the headlines box office reports tv ratings what's trending on social needs uh it's wednesday november 28th my name is jack o'brien aka rolling down the street smoking jacko brian on gin and juice laid back with my mind on the zeitgeist and the zeitgeist on my mind later on that day my homie miles gray came through with a gang of tangaree of miles gray uh and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray 13 month old miles gray Mr. Miles Gray. 13-month-old Miles Gray. Broken looking glass. Seven years of bad luck.
Starting point is 00:03:17 To my co-host, Jack. Oh, no. I'm sorry. That was a foreboding AK. I said you were my homie. I know. You just stuck me with bad luck. Hey, we'll take that up with at Victor Allen for that Stevie Wonder inspired AK. Hey.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Mine is courtesy of the one, the only Hannah Soltis. Ah. Hannah Soltis. Hannah Soltis. Soltissimo. Well, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the one, the only, the comedian, the hilarious, Jono Zalay, a.k.a. Jono Zalay, but Jon don't know diddly. Wow. Hey, don't speak about what Jon knows.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Jon knows. Jon knows every tin. How's it going, man? Great. I love my new nickname. All right. Do's it going, man? Great. I love my new nickname. All right. Do you think that'll stick? It's already trending.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Yeah. Stuck to the garbage can. Social media. John, you don't have a mustache currently. I don't. This is slightly disappointing. I was setting myself up ready for the glory that is typically uh sitting below your nose and above your mouth yeah well you better start getting used to disappointment out of me yeah it's a
Starting point is 00:04:30 it's a whole season of it now oh no feels weird doesn't it yeah no i mean i feel very exposed yes how long did you have the mustache for i have it off and on uh but i have had it for the majority of the year probably since the last six years. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's a staple now of my look. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:49 When you came in, I was like, look at this young man who came in. Yeah, I know. Did you shave it for the holidays? What spurred? You said you just shaved it. I just kind of, like, every, like, six months or so, I just get sick of anything on my face and just shave it off. It's fresh.
Starting point is 00:05:04 I'd say for the new year, it's coming up. Yeah. You know, fresh face. After you take a sip of a beverage, do you kind of reflexively put your lower lip up to sop the leftovers from the mustache? Of course. Yeah. All of the muscle memories of my lips are all off kilter now.
Starting point is 00:05:24 I feel a slight breeze and I just get chills. Yeah, I can only grow a mustache in the corners of my mouth. Sorry, Miles, this is a little insider mustache. Beer talk with the bros. Yeah. Well, Jono, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. But first, we're going to tell our listeners some of the shit we're talking about today. First, we just kind of have a product announcement.
Starting point is 00:05:45 It's not really news. It's more just letting you guys know about something you're definitely going to purchase. We're going to talk about just some weird evil shit percolating in the zeitgeist. We're going to talk about Trump bragging that he blows Ronald Reagan away. We're going to talk about Scott Pruitt's appearance on Fox & Friends a while back and how they prepared him. We're going to talk
Starting point is 00:06:10 about Beto Buzz. It's just going to be a recurring segment. We're going to talk about Putin pulling some more shit in Ukraine, conditions in packing factories. We're probably not going to get to all this, but we can always
Starting point is 00:06:25 try. Roger Stone let us know that he doesn't think Trump will run for re-election. We're going to talk about gender reveals. We're going to talk about the littest of marathon runners, a woman who broke the 273-mile record- With a secret weapon. By housing a Taco Bell quesadilla. But first, Jono, we'd like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I, yesterday, searched almond versus coconut milk. Because I was at Costco, and I wanted to see the benefits of both before committing to six or eight cartons of it. Why did you go so heavy?
Starting point is 00:07:07 Well, I prefer Costco. I mean, you can't just buy like the gallon size. They're like, yo, you got to buy seven more. You can only have so many samples before they get a little annoyed with you. And pour it into your own growler that you can buy. What's coconut milk? Is that just unfiltered? Is that just with the meat and then filtered basically yeah it's like
Starting point is 00:07:30 water and coconut cream you know which is yeah it's the same process as almond milk I think where they just take the meat of the nut quote unquote grind it up and mix it with water yeah does it taste coconutty I hope so
Starting point is 00:07:44 it would be weird if it didn't well it's not like almond milk tastes almondy Get out of it. Mix it with water. Yeah. Does it taste coconutty? I hope so. Yeah. It would be weird if it didn't. Well, it's not like almond milk tastes almondy, really. It just tastes like milk. Good point. Although, I think coconut's, I guess, a little bit more associated with a beverage. Yes. Wait, so when you did versus, is one better than the other?
Starting point is 00:07:59 I assumed they're pretty similar health-wise, I guess. But I also was trying to see. I know almonds take a lot of water to grow and everything. I was wondering if there was a coconut crisis somewhere in the tropics, if I was contributing to that one way or the other. But my very cursory Googling didn't reveal anything. Oh, okay. So you're on the right side of history.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Well, I mean, I try to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used it with my iPhone, which was made by slaves. So, you know. The right side of nut milk history. Plus minus zero. There you go. Those little children helped me almost find something
Starting point is 00:08:36 out about the world. And wait, which one did you pull the trigger on? I did almond milk. That's just the way to go. Ah, after all that. There wasn't enough compelling evidence to switch. Yeah, well. Have you sampled oat milk? We hear a lot about oat milk here. I don't think it's big enough yet to make it into the bulk industry.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Okay, got it. Well, because motherfuckers fight over it at Whole Foods. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was like Oatly. That's the one, right? That everyone goes nuts over. I had the chocolate one. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Talk about my sweet tooth getting activated because I almost drank half a fucking carton in one go. Damn. Because it's thick, too. Right. It's got a nice- It's like the whole milk of nut milk. Is it just like ground up oatmeal? Is that the deal?
Starting point is 00:09:15 It's just oat derived milk product. Nice. Look, I'm the wrong guy. I'm not the fucking oat police. What am I, an otologist? What is something you think is overrated? Oh, overrated, I would say. You have two on here that I'm wondering if they tie together.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Oh, no, they definitely don't. Oh, okay. Hooters, I feel like is overrated. I mean, I think the millennials are killing it. I think that was an article from months ago. Millennials are killing it, bro. Yeah, we're crushing it. I mean, our dads are killing it. I think that was an article from months ago. Millennials are killing it, bro. Yeah, we're crushing it. Our dads say killing it.
Starting point is 00:09:49 We're fucking crushing it. Yeah, no, they're now into butt-steronts. What are they called? Well, breast-teronts. Breast-teronts are hooters. It's like Twin Peaks and hooters and the other ones. Tilted kilt. Tilted kilt is more popular now
Starting point is 00:10:06 because millennials are more into butt. Yeah, but I think they're... And Scottish culture. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Mostly Scottish culture. I think the other thing, too, because we discussed sort of the downfall
Starting point is 00:10:16 of certain restaurants, namely Hooters, is because I think Tilted Kilt actually does from scratch stuff. They're not just... They try and make the food as much as possible. They're the gastropub of local sourced stuff. Oppressing patriarchy restaurants. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Yeah. I was at home over the holiday, and I saw an old picture of me at my 15th birthday at a Hooters because that's the perfect time to go when you're 15. It's like, oh, my God. There's boobs. This is what straight guys do, Jono. You can eat a disgusting burger with- You had a burger?
Starting point is 00:10:50 Oh, I mean, and wings. Oh, I don't know why I was so disgusted by that. What do you think they- The wings aren't any better. Yeah, I guess. That's the whole point is it's bad food. Yeah, it is across the board. It's terrible food.
Starting point is 00:11:04 And the novelty of there being boobs there should have worn off post-16. Like I'm surprised anyone over 18 goes to Hooters. Yeah. But everyone is way over 40 that goes to Hooters now. That's a very specific demo they got. Yeah. God. Have you ever seen just like a family or like a married couple?
Starting point is 00:11:23 At Hooters? Just the exhausted looking wife yeah like sure yeah or I used to see a lot I used to go to watch Laker games at the Hooters in Burbank uh in college and that's when I would see couples a lot and then you would sometimes see just someone was like okay well this is your right night pick yeah it's it's only at the very beginning of relationships like early dates and then like they're like, it's fun. The very end of the relationship. What kind of Hooters?
Starting point is 00:11:48 It's so funny. And it's fine because we're dating, so it's not like you care about the boobs or the person writing their name so nicely. I would imagine, like, how hard would it be to pitch Hooters the restaurant now? I mean, Tilted Kilt and these other places came up in the last 10 years, so it can't be that hard. Yeah, I guess. I guess if you use the model that if we imagined Hooters didn't exist and now it's just coming out, yeah, you'd be like, um. It's easier to say, we're doing the butt version of Hooters.
Starting point is 00:12:13 Right. We're doing the. Yeah, the breast-staurants now. Yeah, just like from scratch, though. What a concept. What a concept. Me too. More like me too great knockers on that one.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Whoa. Ring the fucking alarm yeah yeah yeah uh cool well i'm happy with that uh you also had world government oh just that you like the faith in that i've had in any government institution has been like completely shattered like that like there's any rule of law anywhere in the world okay because like america is still like as despite our current climate is like one of the least overall corrupt countries right in the world and like we're just witnessing how bad it can become in our own and like every other country is worse yeah so like we shouldn't uh i don't know why anyone has any faith that anything should ever work. Hey man, destabilization, right?
Starting point is 00:13:06 Right. Shake it up. We don't even believe in our own institutions. What's next? What do you think is underrated? Teenage anonymity. Okay. So like I was looking through the, like I said, like the photo of me at Hooters when I was 15.
Starting point is 00:13:20 I was like, if I had, like if I had the internet and Twitter and all the social media accounts back when I was a teenager, I wouldn't be able to be hired anywhere. Right. Like it's like, what are you doing in those photos?
Starting point is 00:13:32 I mean, I'm just posing with them, but like I, all the things that I would have said, the reason I was looking at it is because I remember that like when I was
Starting point is 00:13:39 in high school, I ran for student body president and that was, that was my campaign poster. Was you at Hooters? Was me with Hooters girls. You were Trump before Trump. Kind of.
Starting point is 00:13:48 I unseated a popular incumbent or a very well-established, respectable person. Really? Who was nice or whatever. And I wrote in with no experience. But her boyfriend cheated on her a bunch. You were like, I mean, look at your man. Also, you don't even know how to send an email. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:04 And so I ran on a very populist platform of rapping my speech. Oh. Yeah. Holy shit. Okay. Captured the youth vote. Was it acapella or did you have a beat? Captured the youth vote, which is important in the student body president elections I've found.
Starting point is 00:14:19 Was it to a specific beat or you're just like, hey, my name's John Ozele and I'm here to say. Yeah. It was kind of like that. Walking down the street the other day. Yeah, yeah. It's like, my name's John O'Sulley and I'm here to say I'm eating mom's spaghetti in a rapping way. Mom's spaghetti. So you just took the eight miles one.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Kind of. Isn't that how that goes? I don't think it would come out at that point, but something like that. Where it's like very, very childish 80s style rapping. Rapping way. Rap, rap, rap,
Starting point is 00:14:48 rap, rap. So what'd you do with your, with your power? Oh, I abused it exclusively for my own gain, which was like to put a sound system in the gym. So you could rap?
Starting point is 00:15:01 Exactly. Right. And have an extra dance per year, which we got. Nice. So like, it was all from like uh and they would hire you as the dj of course um dj's la mc uh president's student bodies um yeah no it was it was uh all for my own like horny desire as a you knowyear-old kid to have more dances. And I mean, thankfully, hopefully everyone else enjoyed them. I'm not saying I wasn't accomplished.
Starting point is 00:15:32 I'm just saying I was definitely for my own interest. Yeah, cut to you being the horniest. Jesus Christ. The dance is like all honoring you as the president. You're like carried in on the shoulders of underclassmen is he walt working um yeah i was just actually i guess the ezra klein podcast this week is about he's interviewing these people who wrote a book about like at first it sounded like one of those whack like you know i'm a college professor and these kids are out of hand with their protesting and stuff but they were talking uh one of the things that sounded true
Starting point is 00:16:11 that they were talking about is how unhappy social media has made kids who have like grown up with it their whole life like generation z uh the mental health statistics for kids born I think like after 95 is just really like off the charts bad because of you know the shit like one of the things I talked about that I hadn't really thought about is you know not getting invited to
Starting point is 00:16:38 someone's house or like not being invited to a thing was just something that I suspected but I didn't have to like sit there and look at pictures posted live. There was digital evidence in front of your face. They would just tell you at school on Monday. Right. You could be like, yeah, Jack, where were you?
Starting point is 00:16:53 Yeah. Facebook gives you a report about how popular you are. Yeah, and the pictures of it will make it look way more fun than it actually was. And you get basically with likes and shit, you have an ongoing social score tab that that you just kind of look at your score and be like man i don't nobody follows me i don't get likes what the fuck is going on but the statistics for suicide and self-harm uh for young people is just way way up i'm sure yeah that sucks can't handle the like amped up version of hormones.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Yeah. Well, yeah, because you could also like you could lie to yourself when there wasn't social media about how good you were doing too. Like, yeah, I'm fine, man. I'm having the best time. It's easy to dismiss the negative thoughts. And you could live in like a fake world where like you still might be able to play college football in your third year of community college. Right. Whereas like, yeah yeah now on social media everyone can just lay everything out right there for you to compare there's no middle ground either
Starting point is 00:17:50 either you're like popular and you're extra inflated like sense of self right which is like completely built on sand like you're not that cool that's the thing is i had to wait i was overconfident without social media right right when i when i wasn't getting likes on that hooters poster yeah or whatever imagine like you know the opposite where it's like, oh, I feel kind of a loser. Oh, and yeah, I feel extra compounded. Right. They also pointed to parents being more overprotective and not letting kids make mistakes.
Starting point is 00:18:18 And that kind of shifted right when the crime rate went down. Parents just started started for whatever reason being like, nah, you can't play outside until you're a teenager. Fucking hell. I know. I used to play in traffic like when I was, I would just ride my bike all over town at age five.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Yeah, simpler times. Made a lot of mistakes. When you said you played in the street, I thought of the movie The Program and I thought of you laying down in the street like like, waiting for the cars to ride over you. Yeah, they got that idea from me. An eight-year-old. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:51 But, yeah, I mean, let your kids crash their bike, commit arson, light arson. Right. Or I also see parents who are, like, just cleaning their kids constantly. Just like, you know, little kids are supposed to be fucking disgusting. Yeah, they're vaccinating themselves. Yeah, introducing all kinds of new bacteria, though, too. I see people who are like, let me wipe your fucking finger webbings down, everything.
Starting point is 00:19:16 And you're like, yo, let this kid fucking rock in the dirt. I picked my eight-month-old up over the weekend and a piece of a metal screw fell out of his mouth. I was like, what the fuck was that? He's just, you know, he just learned to crawl. Yeah, yeah. Your shop supplies, you know. He's eating a bunch of drywall screws.
Starting point is 00:19:38 I was like, oh, he's exploring the house. He just learned how to crawl a little bit, and he's just putting everything. He just learned how to crawl a little bit, and he's just putting everything. I'm kind of looking forward to just getting an X-ray of him to see all the different foreign bodies that are in his stomach. It looks like the cross-section of a spaceship or something. It'd be like a little pound puppy there. Yeah. And what is a myth, Jono?
Starting point is 00:20:05 The idea that jobs were a thing before like a hundred years ago, like, like the, the idea of a word job was had to be like created to describe what we do now. But like before then, like pretty much everyone throughout history was just a subsistence farmer. Yeah. Like the idea that you would go to a place for a certain amount of time and
Starting point is 00:20:23 do and use your brain rather than your body would just sound nuts to anyone before 1850 or something. Right, they're like, and how do you eat? They're like, well, I go in this room and I add these numbers up. And then you add the numbers up
Starting point is 00:20:37 and then food comes out of that? No, then I get paid a wage. Huh? I come up with a strategy to coordinate. So what I do paid a wage. Right. Huh? I come up with a strategy to coordinate. So what I do is a podcast. The fuck is that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Yeah, and I think we work a lot harder than people used to. We picture subsistence farmers just all morning because I think farmers today work incredibly hard. just like all morning because i think farmers today work incredibly hard but right back in the day like during like feudalism and shit people would work very hard for a month but then you'd just be off like fucking having sex and laying around in bushes oh my god knee deep in corn cobs yeah exactly bring feudalism back i mean it's it's on its way, basically. Yeah. And then you died at age 32, and most of your kids didn't make it to their fifth birthday. But it was a lot of downtime. Hey, more money for me on them days off, man. I have to watch the kids because they died of consumption or whatever the fuck it was back then.
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Starting point is 00:22:25 There's a how to make stromboli with Anthony Scaramucci. Oh. There's also the Furman Diaries is a show. And that's someone who sells furs? No, that is a famous racist Mark Furman. Disgraced detective. Mark Furman. Former LA cop.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Oh, man. If the things that Mark Furman said publicly were racist, think about what his diaries might contain. Right. Oh, man. If the things that Mark Furman said publicly were racist, think about what his diaries might contain. Right. Oh, no. Oh, boy. Perfect. His private thoughts of society.
Starting point is 00:22:54 And then the idea that someone's paying for that. 99. I kind of want to pay to see his diaries. Yes. Oh, God. He's like, maybe I was wrong about OJ. I always think about that as I live in there. Didn't he move to that town that was impressively white in Idaho when he left LA?
Starting point is 00:23:13 You might have been impressed by it. No, but I mean, the fact it was so- Furman or OJ? It was like 99.99%. Furman. Furman. Yeah, like when he had to leave LA because he was like- I mean mean pretty much
Starting point is 00:23:25 Any part of Idaho Is gonna be Yeah I guess so But it had like some Yeah There are these towns That are just Hotbeds for white supremacists
Starting point is 00:23:33 But you don't know it Because everyone is white So they're just like Yeah this is okay Yeah This is great I don't have to You know
Starting point is 00:23:41 Knock down any Decorative menorahs At Christmas time I just get to You know Be a white supremacist like a pig in shit. In peace. Yes. All right. We're going to take a quick break.
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Starting point is 00:27:58 the subject of our show matters or like why the zeitgeist is a thing. So one is from the podcast, last podcast on the left, where they were talking about a serial killer from Weimar, Germany. The Weimar Republic. The Weimar.
Starting point is 00:28:14 And they were talking about how Weimar, Germany was completely obsessed with true crime as a genre. Really? Yeah. This is the pre-World war ii germany yes like right right during the hotbed prior to the rise of nazism they were similarly uh all about that true crime that was like their main cultural export uh which i don't know i i think is that meaning like the fact that we're obsessed with true crime as a nation right now is just another thing that we're mirroring pre-Nazi Germany?
Starting point is 00:28:49 Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Like there are the obvious parallels, but that's also, it's like now all anybody wants to read about is true crime or listen to a true crime podcast or watch the documentaries. The biggest show in Weimar Germany was Mein Lieblingsmord, or My Favorite Murder. Yes. Yeah. So I'm not claiming My Favorite Murder is going to cause a second Holocaust. Well, I am. It's just a symptom of the second Holocaust.
Starting point is 00:29:15 It's a clue. Yes. And then you guys put it together after the fact. You tell us. Yeah. Wait, so it was just the sort of fascination around that was sort of what a precursor to people just not trusting each other becoming more overly suspicious of each other which gives way to yeah and it's a morality tale in which like a strong state a police like comes
Starting point is 00:29:38 and solves the problems with like force and that highlights the, you know, evil of the outsider or of the, you know, dangers that are out there. And the idea that everyone's trying to solve this crime on their own outside of the police as well, that's kind of encouraging the whole snitching culture. It's like, I think this guy did it. Let's get him. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:00 And I mean, if there's one problem with Nazi Germany, it's too many snitches. Snitches, man. Snitches get. Snitches, man. Snitches get... Snitches get medals. You know what no one really talks about is the snitching culture in Ghostbusters. Who are you going to call?
Starting point is 00:30:15 Why are you snitching on these ghosts? Wow. Yo, I never thought about that. Right? And look, those ghost prisons are not government run. Those are private ghost prisons. Right, yes. Who's making money off that when they go in that weird little oven thing?
Starting point is 00:30:28 Yeah, exactly. Or the little trapper. I had that toy, though. It's environmentally unfriendly. We know that. Yeah, absolutely. EPA tried to shut it down, and they were obstinate. Wow, this is a whole, I think we need to reanalyze.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Ghostbusters really is sort of conservative privatization propaganda. Ghostbusters really is sort of conservative privatization propaganda. It's like the only government bureaucrat we see is that guy who indeed has no penis, the EPA chief. And he wants to shut them down for no reason. And he refuses to accept any of the evidence that what they're seeing is ghosts. They're like, nice light show. It was clearly some chemicals escaping. Yeah, okay, global warming.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Right. And then there was also this Atlantic article last week talking about how exorcisms are way up in the United States right now. What? Like at an all-time high, which you would assume- With what, five? No, like they're happening all the time. And they're not reenactments or anything?
Starting point is 00:31:28 No, they're people- So wait, the Catholic church is actually sanctioning them? They're not like rogue priests or anything? Yeah, and they actually take you through the exorcism of, or a woman who is basically having these, she blacks out for periods and then like this voice starts speaking through her and her significant other like taped it once and it's really creepy and but she didn't make it all the
Starting point is 00:31:52 way to the exorcism stage because like some prayers or something helped her out or she finally figured out her epilepsy medicine well that it was a more thorough process than I expected. Oh, to be like, this requires an exorcist. Right. They will go through all the known medical possibilities and all the mental health possibilities. That's good that they're exercising more caution than the police when pulling the trigger on some. Right. Let's go through all the procedures before we actually do something insane. Let's not jump to the conclusion that this is a demon.
Starting point is 00:32:26 But anyways, I just think it's interesting. Those are, yeah, I guess you could call them symptoms when you have a society of hundreds of millions of people all dealing with these massive events that cause all sorts of dark energy or whatever you want to call it. That's going to go somewhere. It's going to show up somewhere. Yeah, to my new show called Podcasting for Dummies. I'm sorry, Exorcisms for Dummies. There you go. And yeah, so let's move on to one of the causes of that,
Starting point is 00:32:59 the president, Donald Trump. Oh, give him a break. No, no, the president not getting enough credit is what I was going to say. Oh, thank God. And this liberal media just not giving him his fair shake because he came out. This was a big drudge headline, which I'll be interested to see how the conservatives deal with this. But he came out and said, I blow Ronald Reagan away.
Starting point is 00:33:21 Basically, he's complaining that his long list of achievements are far greater than Ronald Reagan, but you would never know it because of the fake news media. And he even argues that conservative pundits and conservative Republicans and columnists, all these people, they just won't give him as fair credit because his name is Donald Trump. And if you said his name was John Smith, he would be known as far greater than Ronald Reagan. John Barron. Wait, that's a quote? Yeah, that's a quote. If you said that conservative president John Smith did that, they would say he's the greatest president, far greater than Ronald Reagan. Wow. It's just an impressive, I don't know, like logical contortionism where he's able to kind of dissociate himself with every negative thing that he's ever done. He's like, that's just, that makes you think my name is bad.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Yeah. It's not like- You guys are just looking at all the bad shit I'm doing. Right. That is crazy. Ronald Reagan worked with the CIA to commit his crimes. Right. Come on, man. He's not against him. You guys are just looking at all the bad shit I'm doing. Right. That is crazy. Ronald Reagan worked with the CIA to commit his crimes. Right. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:34:27 He's not against them. Come on. That is the big difference, I think. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. I mean, we'll see how many roads they have named after him because so many fucking things are named after Reagan from all the money people were making in the 80s during his administration.
Starting point is 00:34:44 I don't know about this anymore. The airport in D.C. is named after him. Yeah. What's going to be named after Trump? Who is going to go that far aside from your kooky big dollar donors or whatever who's like, I'll name this building after him. But I don't know. I think even Trump's existing buildings won't be named after him.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Right. That's my fantasy right now is that he sees the T being ripped off Trump tower and that's when he dies. And he's pushing a shopping cart. Yeah. Yeah. You know, this is my building.
Starting point is 00:35:13 All right. I mean, there's art that's already happening around the world. Like certain areas that have, yeah. Having to be like, those aren't his buildings. They only licensed the name as a branding thing.
Starting point is 00:35:21 So like once his brand is so toxic, once he's exposed as a worldwide criminal, then yeah, probably less of a- We have to deal with all the vandalism. Yeah. People are just like, fuck this thing. I'm like, yeah, messing the signage up. The only Trump Tower will probably be in Moscow,
Starting point is 00:35:38 the one that doesn't exist yet. Well, one day. I mean, like that's the big deal we keep hearing about. It's going to happen. I'm ready. A name we haven't heard enough in recent months is that of Scott Pruitt. Speaking of EPA. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:35:55 there you go. Gone too soon. Only the second most evil EPA chief behind the Ghostbusters. So Scott Pruitt appeared on Fox and Friends. Was this back during his run? Yeah, during the summer of Scott, baby. When the wheels couldn't come off this fucking thing and he was blowing through controversy after controversy.
Starting point is 00:36:16 The Sierra Club, you know, because they're not here to fuck around only sometimes when they sell their name out for weird candidates. But anyway, that's another thing. They used a Freedom of Information Act request to get some emails during his time there and found that he was coordinating with the producers and people over at Fox before coming on Fox and Friends to A, like basically agree on all the questions or the scope of the interview, but even more specifically to like begin okaying and approving questions very specifically they're like okay and these are the eight things we are going to ask you so prepare
Starting point is 00:36:50 thyself for the spinach and uh one of the even like one of the other things they found is that his office even was allowed to approve one of the show's scripts so i don't know if that was like necessarily around a sec like a segment he was on or just in general that they were like, in this thematic section of where I will come in, I need to redline shit in this script or whatever. We need to really coordinate the propaganda here. Yeah, yeah. Well, because that was the thing. We all know
Starting point is 00:37:15 that Fox is the de facto propaganda arm of the White House or whatever, but when you start seeing it like this, you're just like literally coordinating. Yeah, where you're like, okay, this is what we're going to ask. and this isn't this was never journalism right i assume there was at least the creativity of them looking at what the you know scott pruitt's and the white houses of the world were doing and then coming like writing their own coverage but no it actually they directly have interaction with uh the trump
Starting point is 00:37:46 administration but i like about that is like obviously they were already on the same side to begin with so like scott prude is not only like so corrupt that he would use but he's also such a moron he can't anticipate the questions and like prepare the spin he was going to use anyway i need to see the answers on the test that you're is going to be just all softballs right right exactly i would love a moment where like he he he remembered the answers on the test that is going to be just all softballs. Right, right, right. Exactly. I would love a moment where he remembered the order of the questions wrong and then just gave the answer to a completely wrong question
Starting point is 00:38:12 because he's not even listening. He's just, all of the above. All of them. Yes. C. I'm sorry. I asked how you felt about the rise in carbon emissions for the first time in four years.
Starting point is 00:38:23 Uh-huh. It's like a coach and coach pitch Little League baseball tipping his pitches or something. It's like, yeah. Is coach pitch? It's going to be the same thing every time, right? Yeah, they just underhand it. They're like, and here we go.
Starting point is 00:38:38 The coach just goes, how about this? I'm just going to throw the ball for you. Don't even hit it. I'm just going to throw it in an outfield. Whoa! Whoa, home run. Grand slam. All right, kid. So let's talk about Beto. gonna throw the ball for you don't even hit it i'm just gonna throw it in whoa whoa grand slam so uh let's talk about beto oh let's talk that guy beto o'rourke o'rourke he's up to something
Starting point is 00:38:54 huh yeah he's he has something going in texas it look like uh and yeah he says uh i know that initially he was a little cryptic about maybe he'd run for 2020. Maybe he won't. And it seems like he's opening up more and more to the possibility of a presidential run. Now, I think he could be a good candidate. I'd love to see what the whole field looks like. But he's getting a lot of buzz from many other people. I know Dan Pfeiffer, Crooked Media, wrote a really glowing piece about what is good about Beto and why he would be a great candidate. And I can't disagree with his points about just
Starting point is 00:39:30 sort of the enthusiasm that was around that campaign because my fucking goodness, what... I mean, there were people in other states caping for Beto O'Rourke who had nothing to do with Texas politics. But I think there was some kind of energy he had that was bringing everybody in. I mean, not just because his policies were pretty sane and things like that, but there was the enthusiasm that was very, there's something there. There's definitely something there to that. I was, I was one of those people in a way, cause I had some weeks off and I was going to travel to do comedy and stuff. So I went to a city where I could do comedy, but also like canvas for not only a house candidate, but also a Senate candidate.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Right. Okay. So I was like going around a little bit before the election, like in orange County and stuff where there was some seats that could be flipped blue. But then I also was like, Oh, there's one in Houston and there's a Senate candidate there.
Starting point is 00:40:17 So it's like, we'd be a double maximize the potential of each door in a way. And like when I was in Houston, like right, that was the week before the election, and there was Beto signs everywhere, like in Texas, which is traditionally pretty red. And then there was whole bars that had Beto signs.
Starting point is 00:40:35 The whole scene seemed to be really in love with it. Yeah. Not to mention his lack of taking corporate money and just raising BAFO dollars through small dollar donations. Yeah, I can see where they can... I get the momentum that if you were running a campaign, you're like, ooh, this thing could run itself. I think the fact that the Democratic Party has such an open field, as opposed to 2016 where there was one there was like one and a half, really like candidates at the beginning, like,
Starting point is 00:41:06 cause Bernie was going to run, but he wasn't really like a front runner per se, which Hillary was like, there seems to be no real front runner for this. There's like 10 kind of like has some components, like momentum, but like the ones that have the most are like maybe Bernie and then Beto, like the,
Starting point is 00:41:24 with the biggest name recognition and enthusiasm behind them and like that's the like because the open field of 2016 on the republican side was kind of similar to where there was like a bunch of whatever candidates right there was trump who had universal name recognition and enthusiasm for whatever like he wasn't if you ask most people they'd be like no not really but like he wasn't, if you ask most people, they'd be like, no, not really. But like he had the most. So even with like his, you know, duality rather than, or plurality, I should say, rather than a majority, he like ran away with the nomination. So it's going to probably be someone like that who just has the most enthusiasm in 2020. Or just has some stellar debates or whatever. We'll see. Right. So why do you think you failed to get him elected, Jono?
Starting point is 00:42:05 I mean, what did you do wrong? What happened? I mean, I just got to assume that people didn't want to see my mustache. Right. And from California, they wanted their homegrown mustaches. That ain't one of those good mustaches. One of those carpet-bagging mustaches. It's an ironic mustache.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I get the point that you need somebody who's not just going to be the look at Trump, he's bad type of thing. Yeah, you need people who are going to be like, I stand for him. Right, because Trump has a lot of enthusiasm behind him on the right. That is assuming that he runs. Right. Which Roger Stone, his longtime homie.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Famously honest Roger Stone. Right. Thinks that Trump will not run. He claims he has no inside information, but he just doesn't understand why he would since Trump has literally no sense of duty or doesn't really like the country in any way, is not a fan. Basically, he said he believes that Trump likes the, quote, adulation part of being president, which I think we're all aware of. He doesn't like the fact that half the people in the country hate his guts. I'm not totally sure about that. He seems to get, you know, they say extroverts get re-energized from being around people and introverts get re-energized by being alone. I feel like Trump
Starting point is 00:43:34 gets energy from just conflict and people disliking him. But then he points out he's hypersensitive to criticism. I could easily see him saying, well, I made America great. I'm heading to the golf course. Good luck, Mike. Uh, which would be, I mean,
Starting point is 00:43:51 I buy that. Cause it didn't seem like they, he really wanted to be president in the election either. Like, I think he was fine. Like just becoming second fiddle, starting a media empire and then using that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:02 And like, it's the same reason. Like I ran for president of my high school mostly so I could talk in front of people through a microphone. It was for the stage time. Trump loves being on a stage. He loves performing at all those rallies.
Starting point is 00:44:16 He's just doing his set. He just loves the rallies. Just do an arena fucking tour. Those crowds aren't going anywhere. Let him just exist in that, but you know, just do your, just tour Larry the Cable guy.
Starting point is 00:44:28 He can do that without being president very easily. And you're like, I love this. He'll have like a certain cult following no matter what. Yeah. Still, I think this is underestimating the intensity of his personality disorder. His competitive drive.
Starting point is 00:44:41 The size of the sucking vortex of a black hole at the center of his soul. He can't take the idea that people would see him as failing in any way. And so even if he can tell himself, I made America great again, the negative media, I could definitely see him being like, yeah, I'm not going to run. And then the second he starts getting negative press, be like, ah, I tricked you. Right. I am going to run, it turns out. Well, you know, Roger Stone, he's like you say, Jono. Well, who knows what this man knows?
Starting point is 00:45:15 Yeah. It's just him speculating, but he has been friends with Trump for 40 years. And he got that sick Nixon tattoo. Right. So. So what's going on with Putin? What's going on? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:30 What is going on with Putin? I guess this Putin guy on Instagram. Oh, yeah. Let's check his IG stories. Oh, my God. He seized some Ukrainian ships in the Kerch Strait. Oh, and some sailors. Yes, he did.
Starting point is 00:45:48 It was basically like a like a strait of water, basically, where the ships were passing. And it's technically like shared territory. But Putin, you know, he's out here just straight up committing acts of aggression against sovereign nations. And, yeah, the UN and NATO nations have been all like, this is a terrible transgression. What the fuck is going on? Nikki Haley, who only has to be a UN ambassador for like three more hours, was like, had some strong words that resemble like America from yesteryear. But like Trump, again, you know, the whole thing is he'll never say a bad fucking thing. And when they asked about this, he literally was just like, this is not good.
Starting point is 00:46:29 We're not happy about it at all. We do not like what's happening either way. Either way? Like, is this a, it was again, it was there could be, they're good people on both sides. Yeah. Because. What were they doing in that straight in the first place? Right.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Right. What are the, what are the Ukrainians up to? It borders their country. I don't know. Isn't that Russia now? Yeah. But yeah,
Starting point is 00:46:51 I mean, this is all just, it's just another freaky example who are like, what kind of fucking mind control does Putin have over this guy? Because this is something, you know, he's pushing it and pushing it and seeing how much he can get away with. And clearly him and Trump have some kind of understanding or whatever he's like i'll i'll let the other people say
Starting point is 00:47:08 critical things but i'll never actually do anything that will affect uh your governance in any way but yeah i mean i think it's just uh you know i don't know what putin's motives are i mean obviously he wants to uh reclaim as much land as he can, I guess. But is it because he thinks that it's just Trump time and he can do anything or he sees the clock is ticking on this power play for neo-fascists where American diplomacy is in the penalty box? Yes, it works. I think any time that he can cause – I think he thrives off of conflict and also from a international relations standpoint because he has this sort of unbalanced relationship with most western
Starting point is 00:47:52 powers in America, anytime he does some fuckery like this that causes a conflict between America and the rest of the west because their priorities aren't aligned Hey, what the fuck? What are you doing? You guys seeing this over here?
Starting point is 00:48:07 No, I don't know what you're talking about. So speaking of their relationship, their mysterious relationship, we talked yesterday about how the Mueller investigation seems to be somewhat percolating back to the surface. It's ramping up. Yeah, it seems to be ramping back up. Well, yeah, at the time we were saying that his little status report, his snitch report card was going to come out where Mueller was going to be like,
Starting point is 00:48:29 okay, Paul Manafort, he took the plea deal, and this is our assessment of how much he's cooperated, which then we will make a suggestion over his sentencing. Right, right. Then the report comes out, and he got Fs in all of his snitchery, or As if it's a thug gangster report card because he's gangster as fuck. But essentially they're saying that he was
Starting point is 00:48:49 basically lying up a fucking storm to them constantly and they're like, we see no reason to even push this any further. Let's just go to sentencing. And then Manafort's response was like really tepid of like, I mean, I told them everything as truthfully as I could, but whatever, yeah, let's just go to sentencing. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:49:05 And so it's one of those things where you're like, this is fucking really suspicious because is this the act of a person who's just completely out of his fucking head and like just can't stop lying? And he just didn't give a fuck and doesn't realize how severe this is? Or is he acting like a man who has the confidence of having a presidential pardon basically in hand and was like, yeah, I'm going to do whatever the fuck I got to do because we him and Trump have a joint defense agreement. And there are so many other factors that are at play right now. Like last week, Trump submitted his written answers to Robert Mueller for certain questions in the investigation. Does that mean Manafort was lying so he wouldn't contradict whatever the president said and then have some kind of moment where he's like well that's weird you said this and Manafort said this and try and reconcile those things because then also Jerome Corsi yeah
Starting point is 00:49:55 who is also believed to be someone talking with WikiLeaks or whatever was just saying like I'm gonna sue the Manafort I'm gonna sue Paul Robert Mueller and I'm going to sue the Manafort, I'm going to sue Robert Mueller, and I'm going to completely reject any kind of deal with them. You don't know if those two people have pardons lined up. A lot of speculation going on because we really don't know what is up with either Manafort's logic in this or what Mueller's calculus is in all of this. But the one thing that we did find out is that Manafort did repeatedly visit Julian Assange over the years, like in 2013, 2015, and then in the spring of 2016, around the time when he joined the Trump campaign. Oh boy.
Starting point is 00:50:31 So is that like, you know, what were those meetings about? What did he know? Yeah. I think the only thing we know is that Robert Mueller knows everything. Clearly, right? He has all the receipts, all that stuff. I'm guessing Paul Manafort, who's worked in the Eastern Bloc for so long with pro-Russian interest, he probably knows how easy it is to kill someone if they do flip on you.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Right. So I'm guessing, I was never too confident that he would spill the beans because he knows the Putin types. You're going to get murked in jail. If you get freed and whatever, you do a plea deal where you're on the street, oh, you're done. Right. You're getting a nerve agent somewhere. Right. Because we see how-
Starting point is 00:51:13 You can never have a bite of soup, you know, spoonful of poison is what you got. Unless you go to McDonald's. Because they'll never know when you're coming and they pre-make it, so you'll never be poisoned. Exactly. According to Trump. But yeah, I think one of the interesting theories I've heard was like, one is that was he lying just to become so unreliable a witness that his testimony can't be used against any other of these people
Starting point is 00:51:31 involved in the administration or the campaign? Because he's just sort of being like, all of the defense for some of those defendants will be like, well, Paul Manafort's a fucking liar. How are you going to believe even a single thing he said? Yeah. You know, or is it around the idea, like you say, Jono, that Robert Mueller is omniscient, all-knowing, and walked Trump and Manafort down some path where they thought they were getting the best of him and allowing them to just concoct this lie to aha them later on? that Manafort was like, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:05 knows that the timing would work better for Trump if he delayed the investigation in some way or like sent them down some sidebar bullshit. And then, you know, now that the election is over and the investigation is being overseen by a guy who is willing to shut the investigation down that he can just, you know, so it was basically a delay game tactic. That would be the pessimistic way to look at it.
Starting point is 00:52:34 I think there is something to the idea that Mueller does know a lot because to even give this assessment of his cooperation and he's like, and I can prove all of this, must mean he has so much fucking like evidence that he can be like, he said this, I have so much evidence to show that this is not true.
Starting point is 00:52:51 He said this, I have so much evidence that this is not true. That's going to be a legally submitted document that could come out too. Oh, right. If it's not sealed. And then we're just going to start, we'll see a whole sheet of just,
Starting point is 00:53:04 of a manifold lies that have to do with either Russian collusion or whatever the Trump Tower meeting had to do with. So there's also – yeah, it could be an idea that this is a way for Mueller to get more information out into the public for people to see. Possibly. I think it's going to be hilarious when Julian Assange's private communications are released worldwide. Like how hilarious would it be that the WikiLeaks guy gets WikiLeaked? Well, that was the thing because Manafort was visiting Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy. And apparently in the UK, they were monitoring everything the second he went in there. And I'm sure they have an idea of who was there and what at
Starting point is 00:53:46 least was coming out of that embassy. But like, they say there were a lot of Russians visiting. Yeah, it's funny. So this all came out, the Guardian had a big day today. They broke a couple of stories, but one of the lists that they saw was from Ecuador's Sinan Intelligence Agency. And it was a list of people who had visited Assange. And one of them was Paul Manafort with a D. And that was one of several well-known guests. It also mentions, quote, Russians. It's just like Paul Manafort, Russians. All people visiting right around the same time. Weird. Anyways, we're going to take another quick break. We'll be right back.
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Starting point is 00:58:40 oh right so how do we know yeah that's true that So let's not get, you know, let's not play, you know, let's not be the liberal media now. Russians? I've never met Russians. Quote unquote Russians? I mean, who is that? How is that even a name? Let's talk about gender reveal parties, guys. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Just how they're like problematic.
Starting point is 00:58:59 They should actually be like sex reveal. Literally lit. You know what I mean? Yeah. They're not really problematic. The idea of a gender reveal. But, you know, look, if you want to They should actually be like sex review. Literally lit. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let's show where on the spectrum. They're not really problematic. Yes. The idea of a gender reveal problem. But, you know, look, if you want to shoot a jump shot and it hits the rim and it shows pink, then you want to celebrate that more power to you. But this is a story.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Back in 2017 in April, there was a fire in Arizona known as the Sawmill Fire, and it destroyed over 45,000 acres of land, caused $8 million in damages, forced like 100 people to evacuate their homes. There's like hundreds of firefighters and volunteers had to go to address this fire. And we found out how the fire was started. And would you believe it that it was from a gender reveal party? No. reveal party. Yes. Where a guy loaded up a box of Tannerite targets, which are exploding targets, along with his gender powder to, uh, you know, a blue powder for the reveal shot the thing with a gun for the reveal. And so it exploded in a literal fireball and just a little bit of blue smoke,
Starting point is 00:59:59 not more fire than blue. And then immediately set fire to a bunch of brush because he just did it out in the middle of the desert. And the video just came to a bunch of brush because he just did it out in the middle of the desert. Yeah. And the video just came out and it's amazing because it just flames out. The shit catches fire immediately. And then you just hear people go, all right, we got to pack it up. We got to pack it up. We got to pack it up.
Starting point is 01:00:15 So this guy is now, I think, facing five years probation. He's on a payment plan to pay back the eight million in damages. Yeah. But he got a boy, which is clearly plan to pay back, like, the $8 million in damages. Oh, God, yeah. But he got a boy, which is clearly very important to a person like this. Right. Who is like, so you're going to be able to see our gender reveal from space. And, yeah, that's very important. He's like, look at this scarred landscape.
Starting point is 01:00:39 That's because of you, boy. Yeah, they got a boy who will have a nice career where he can pay back all my debts from my final damage. The thing is right now, he first has to pay an initial $100,000 payment, and then he's on a payment plan for monthly payments for him to pay back the $8.1 million. What the fuck? I hope it was worth it. Happy gender reveal. You're not going to college. Yeah, right?
Starting point is 01:01:03 Yeah. Happy gender reveal. You're not going to college. Yeah, right? Yeah. And I wanted to also talk about my hero, my new hero, a woman who broke the record for, I guess, continuous distance run. No, I think she broke the speed record for the Vermont Long Trail. Got it. Yeah. So it's a 273-mile marathon or super marathon. And as she was closing in on her world record, she hit a wall.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Yeah. Alyssa Godeski. Godeski. And, yeah, basically this race is wild. It was like I think she was doing it over five days and, like, barely slept or whatever. And she beat the record by five hours. And her account is like, 50K left, hit a wall.
Starting point is 01:01:51 But luckily my friends had met me to pass off my secret weapon, which is a Taco Bell quesadilla. And her friends hiked 20 fucking miles into this wilderness to meet her at this point she would be at at a specific time just to do the handoff of the quesadilla, and she just smanged it while running.
Starting point is 01:02:10 And then shatters the record by five hours. I mean, not to say that that's the fucking secret, but like, wow. If you're running 10 marathons back-to-back, how are you only eating one quesadilla? I think this is just like the encouragement she needed. This is her bump? Right. I'm guessing
Starting point is 01:02:33 it was a lot of gel and packets and all that garbage that people eat during marathons and then she finally got some real food and it fueled her. Yeah. They were saying that like in this interview with the runners world, they're like, they're like, I understand you ate a Taco Bell quesadilla. Like, you know, tell me more about
Starting point is 01:02:52 that. And said beforehand, my crew had me brainstorm food that I love to eat pretty much under any circumstance. Cause I guess you just, you have to replace all those calories constantly. And like, maybe she's a picky eater, but she says, I talked about how much I love Taco Bell quesadillas. It's one of those things. If you put it in front of me, I'll eat it. Right. So in that last section, when I have 50K to go while doing well, my friends brought the quesadilla and hiked in. I mean, what the?
Starting point is 01:03:15 That's courage. Because I don't know if you've had Taco Bell and even walked. Oh, my God. Yeah. The problem that marathoners have with shitting their pants already. Right. It's already a struggle. Like the problem that marathoners have with shitting their pants already. Right. It's already a struggle. Wait, why is it a struggle?
Starting point is 01:03:28 Why? Just because you're running and like the gravity is like constantly kind of like. Everything in your stomach is just pounding down. Wow. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:36 It's a problem. And Taco Bell is certainly not helping matters. They better. Is she sponsored by Taco Bell? I mean, at this point, you have to. Right.
Starting point is 01:03:44 This is like a fucking ultra marathon broken by five hours, and you can kind of sort of, you know. That should be a, like, if Taco Bell's not already producing a commercial right now, like, they should fire them. Yeah, Taco Bell. Is it an agency? The quesadilla is definitely one of the easier on the stomach, I feel like.
Starting point is 01:04:03 Yeah, it's when you eat the ground beef and shit is when it gets wacky. You're guessing it's the chicken quesadilla is definitely one of the easier on the stomach, I feel like. Yeah, it's when you eat the ground beef and shit is when it gets wacky. You're guessing it's the chicken quesadilla? She just said quesadilla, so I don't know if it was the chicken. I don't know if it was the spicy chicken, which is my favorite. No way. If it was the spicy chicken, she is a robot. Yeah, sort of zesty mayo on there or something. Oh, got to love it, though.
Starting point is 01:04:21 There have been studies of like athletic performance and uh you know long distance runners and they have found that you know the enjoyment of the food or the beverage that you have is part of like what your body gets out of it oh wow yeah like they did a study where people just took like gatorade into their mouth but spit it out, but they still did better because their body was just like- They're like, I like Gatorade. Yeah, because it has sugar. If you didn't need the sugar, if you didn't need it to taste good, they would just give you something that tasted like sweat because that's basically what Gatorade is. It's sweat with sugar in it.
Starting point is 01:05:03 Just salt sugar. But they add the sugar and the bright colors because it tricks the brain into being like, this is good. Yeah. Turbo fuel. Yeah. Electrolytes. Yeah, right?
Starting point is 01:05:14 Buzzwords. Yes, that's right. I ran a marathon when I was like 21. Yeah. And because you do need to replace all that salt and stuff like the electrolytes, there was a table right around mile 20 where you usually hit the wall where they just had salt packets just packets of salt that i think you're supposed to dump into like a gatorade or a water
Starting point is 01:05:33 or whatever but i did not know what it was right i just saw like this packet of something and i thought like oh this will be like great it's coke pixie stick or something whatever it is so i just like without water dumped it into my mouth and i was like oh my god this is just salt the worst possible thing and it and then it wasn't anywhere i just kept going i just i wasn't like just horrible it was really demotivator it was like a punch in the stomach wait so what if you if you did know what you were doing would they have stopped and mixed a packet of salt with a water cup like wouldn't that slow you up? I have no idea. Or some people just fucking to the dome the salt. I think people just take the salt to the dome, some of them, who just need the replacement.
Starting point is 01:06:11 If they're into it, but I was not. Yeah. Some people drink beer in the middle of the marathon. Maybe it's an acquired taste of the salt. Yeah. Well, you know, whatever you got to do to push through. I mean, what would you eat? What could you eat under any circumstance if you were running a 207? Not that any of us could, I could even run two miles, but like,
Starting point is 01:06:28 what's a thing that someone could hand you and you could eat it in any circumstance? Because I think mine could also be Taco Bell. Yeah. I think the chicken quesadilla is pretty, is a pretty good option. The only thing is that it would be, you know, they're hiking 20 miles in the cold wilderness to get it to you. I don't know how well Taco Bell holds up. So in that case, I might go with like pizza, like maybe some thin crust dominoes with some jalapenos just to get that extra diarrhea. Yeah. What about you, Jono?
Starting point is 01:06:59 I'm going barbecue beef rib. Wow. Just one of those big like brontosaurus looking. Brontosaurus bone. Wow. Face covered in barbecue sauce. In the finish line holding the rib up. I have vanquished my enemies.
Starting point is 01:07:15 I think I would eat a Mexi Melt from Taco Bell. That's like my road trip food. Also, the price of the Mexi Melt has gone up. I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing at Taco Bell,
Starting point is 01:07:24 but that used to be less than a dollar back in my day. It was like $2.50. What is the Mexi-Melt has gone up. I don't know what the fuck you guys are doing at Taco Bell, but that used to be less than a dollar back in my day. It was like $2.50. What is a Mexi-Melt? It's very simple. It's just ground beef and cheese with the pico, which is really just tomatoes, in a soft tortilla. But you can roll it up.
Starting point is 01:07:38 You can hold it. That's why I like to get it when I drive because you don't have to really navigate it when you eat it. It's one of those things you can just right down the gullet with that wonderful ground quote unquote beef. Yeah, also wings are good cold. So maybe like a couple wings. It would be hard
Starting point is 01:07:54 to eat though maybe. I think you probably don't want protein in general. You probably want something carby. Well, you just had the beef rib. I know, but I like it. It makes me happy. Who cares if I get the meat shits? That's what I had in Texas when I was there canvassing and doing shows and stuff. Meat shits?
Starting point is 01:08:09 Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're the best. Just a lot of barbecue, huh? Oh, yeah. All barbecue. Maybe that was the problem. You were like, vote for Beto and may I use your restroom?
Starting point is 01:08:17 Yeah, you're like, oh my God, this drift? Why is this guy sweating on my doorstep? It's not even a hot out. Jono, it's been a pleasure having you, man, as always. Thank you. Where can people find you? Oh, I'm online everywhere on social media, at Jono Zalay, J-O-N-O-Z-A-L-A-Y.
Starting point is 01:08:37 All right. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, yeah. There was one I saw yesterday that was about the song Santa Baby as performed by Michael Bublé, the Canadian singer. He's Canadian? Oh yeah. Oh. So he has a song called Santa Buddy rather than Santa Baby because he is a man.
Starting point is 01:09:03 He's a man, that would be gay. Exactly. So chill. Wow. Santa Buddy? So the tweet was from someone named Amanda Lafrenias who said, I hate hearing Michael Buble's version of Santa Baby where he says Santa Buddy. What do you think? He's
Starting point is 01:09:18 too good to suck Santa's dick like the rest of us? Wait, but doesn't he have to change a lot of the lyrics Is it just Santa buddy But it's like I'm giving you a bro job It's a war two Think of all the fun I missed
Starting point is 01:09:35 All the chicks I didn't kiss You know Is that one of the lyrics Yeah think of all the fun I missed Think of all the boys that I didn't kiss I've been an awful good boy. Cool. Well, you know, that would kind of be hot too.
Starting point is 01:09:51 Just honor the source music, Mr. Bublé. Miles, where can people find you? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Grey. Also, if you are going to the live show, because the live shows are coming up, and you want to get on this stage and be the third seat, I want to see some of your guys over under a myth so please start tweeting that uh with the hashtag hashtag dz live la if you come to the la show or hashtag dz live chicago if you're going to the chicago show if you would like to be considered for the third seat because we don't
Starting point is 01:10:22 want to just have some randomness come up and then ruin the show yeah you got to come with a fever take it has to be a fever dream of a take uh but not problematic because we're not here for that either but yeah remember to tweet that at us if not then no one wins uh but yeah a tweet that i like is from mr iffy wadi way that says why does the inside of every little caesars feel like a waiting room to get robbed? It does have the vibe of a check cashing spot. Like, I don't know the way that. Once those hot and readies started going. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:53 It's like, for sure. Especially some in the Valley, they do have like some added security, like a window, you know, because a lot of people, they get loco for the crazy bread. I'm ready to get robbed. I love hot loco for the crazy bread i'm ready to get robbed i love pot loco though and a tweet i've been enjoying from muhammad kara is i hate texting calling just ben momi uh you can find me on twitter jack underscore o'brien uh or ben momi uh you can find us on
Starting point is 01:11:20 twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. You can also find that information in the show notes. Miles, what song
Starting point is 01:11:39 are we going to ride out on today? Before I give you the song, I would like to tell everybody listening that if you want to buy some of that sweet, sweet merch, have we got a deal for you. We have an exclusive discount code for you. A code on tpublic.com. You just enter the code
Starting point is 01:11:55 ZYTGANG and you will get 25% off your purchase. So purchase the merch, please. You know, keep the lights on and keep me in the nicest belts the lands have to offer. Now, in terms of a song that I would like to go out on, this is a Japanese band, actually, that was getting my big toe shooting up in my boot quite a bit. And the song is actually spelled out in Katakana,
Starting point is 01:12:21 so I'm going to honor the pronunciation. And it's called Naito Cru cruising by a band called fishmans fish mans so enjoy night cruising which I think they're just saying night cruising but this is from Japan so shout out to the mother is that like night swimming but you're out looking for people to have sex with uh is that how you get down? Okay, then yeah. It's really up to you. It's make it your own. Oh, that's Night Cruising.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Cruising. Oh, that. Cruisinga. All right. We're going to ride out on that. We will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast. We'll talk to you guys then. Bye.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Bye. Night Cruising. Night cruising Up and down, up and down So fast, so fast Up and down Oh, night cruising Yeah Oh, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep
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