The Daily Zeitgeist - Far Out Shots with Sarah Todd

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

Miles and Jack were honored to be joined by the Utah Jazz beat writer for The Deseret News and co-host of the Unsalvageable Podcast, Sarah Todd on the latest Mad Boosties! They continued discussing the NBA Finals, got into some of Sarah's experiences while covering the league for nearly a decade, and wrapped things up with another fun round of rapid fire questions!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got Game 3 possibly happening by the time you've heard this. Actually, it will have happened by the time you've heard this. It has happened, and we will wildly speculate what has happened there but we are mostly going to be about game three even though you have seen it we have not oh that's what this episode is gonna be can you believe clay went 36 for 36 unbelievable uh but we are joined by utah jazz beat writer and co-host of the unsalvageable podcast sarah todd i'm miles ray and i'm jack o'brien and this is miles and jack jack got mad boost mad boosties perfectly in sync nailed it once again welcome sarah uh i know we said that this was a silly podcast hosted by dummies, but I think I'm

glad that you got to see it in person. You nailed that intro. That was really beautiful. I mean, it went along. I mean, the way you described the show to me, it just fits so seamlessly. To a broadcast professional such as yourself, this must be eye-opening that so this is your job uh you're saying to yourself i'm assuming um but thank you so much for uh taking the time to be on our silly show yeah no problem nba finals i'm absolutely i'm honored oh thank you sarah and we're honored by our shared love of david cross that we discovered right before we started recording um yeah finals finals sarah what you thinking thoughts nba right nba come on okay who's in it the warriors and the

celtics this sounds like a good matchup, huh? Is it weird if I just start out by saying that I really love this Celtics team? No, that's great. And actually, we have had a severe drought of Celtics love on the podcast. So I'm glad that you said that. And let's dig into it. Tell us what you love. and let's dig into it.

Tell us what you love. I mean, our good friend Jabari Davis will know that I'm a huge and longtime Larry Bird fan. I've never been like a Celtics fan. I grew up more of a players fan and so he was one of my favorite players, but that's neither here nor there. This Celtics team is really exciting to me.

Like I just, I love Marcus Smart. I love Jason Tatum. I love Jalen Brown. I am excited that Al Horford team is really exciting to me like i just i love marcus smart i love jason tatum i love jaylen brown i am excited that al horford seems to not be washed uh yeah i was especially nice for a fan to see uh i was i love that and i mean as someone that covers the jazz i tell people all the time like al horford is a perfect example of mike Conley might not be washed. He just might not be for you. Right. And so maybe Mike Conley will spread his tiny little wings and go elsewhere and look great.

But it doesn't seem like it's going to be with the Jazz. And I mean, I don't have a lot of hope for Al Horford outside of this year. I think he's, you know, father time's undefeated. But he looks great. And he's got really long eyelashes and that makes me jealous all the time. Beautiful eyes. Beautiful eyelashes. Beautiful eyes and

eyelashes, which is really important in the game. People don't give that enough credit. Defenders often get lost in them. Game one was super impressive. He took the game over. I have to say, it's been two runs have defined

game one and game two. The Celtics' fourth quarter run was... I was ready to... That's it. Celtics in four. I thought the series was over because when they do that,

and I thought this every time I've seen them play dominant, I've seen every team play well and nobody plays as well as they do when they've got it going. He hit, what, six three-pointers in that first game? And then, yeah,

completely just dominated that run. I just want to say about Al Horford. As somebody who went to UCLA and watched him beat us, and also being a lifelong Laker fan, and watching him come to life as a geriatric millennial in the Celtics, I've immediately been like, I don't care about those things. Because now I have generational camaraderie and allegiance to Al Horford, where I'm like, you go'm like you go out you go

show them i felt really proud of him i was watching them i was watching game one with my with my dad my stepmom who are both 83 years old and i was yelling at the tv like he's so old but he can still do it he's so old look at that old man go and And then they're like, how old is he? And I was like, I don't know, like younger than me. Five years younger than me, I think. Yeah, 36. Or actually, yeah, he just turned 36. Yeah. Good for you.

And it's not like his hitting threes. Like I expect him to, you know, have his moments where he gets open from three and their offense was really clicking. His defense was like that is hard to just pick up like an extra gear on defense when you're 36 but his defense was like really i mean that's what i think that's also the thing that i'm reacting to when i'm seeing them and i'm like calling it celtics and four that that defend. Every single person on the floor defends at a shutdown level when they've got it going.

And I don't think there's anyone else. And then their offenses really can be pretty unstoppable. It's a series that I've long been a believer that great offense is not going to be as good as great defense. I like defense better and so

it's a great series to kind of maybe give some a data point to that argument because whoever comes out of this like they're like you said the celtics have a great offense and and then on top of that have like the best defense in the year like in the league this year the warriors have always had a great offense they're not slouches on defense, so they're well-matched. So it's like, is it going to be the offensive juggernaut of Golden State, or is it going to be the defensive juggernaut

of the Celtics? And so, I hope that... There's this thing I've been saying for years that defense wins championships. Offense might win some games, but defense wins championships. I don't know if you've seen my t-shirts, but that's a phrase I came up with a couple years back.

Yeah. So what should we talk about? Should we talk about, I mean, Steph opened up game one, making six threes in the first, especially felt like he was on some next level stuff when he passed it to Clay in the corner and then just turned and started running back down court as clay like shot and made the three it was like a level of confidence

in himself and his team that was pretty like that that that's usually like i don't know what what they reserve for when they're like putting a team down um right at the end of a game and green with a quick outlet to Curry. Hands with this clay and just runs away. Yeah. Just look at the confidence. You've seen this movie before. His ability to come down, throw it, and look away.

He's not even going. He's like, he's opening up. Sometimes you sneak peek. He's getting back. He's not even paying attention. He really, it really, it's like the level of, I don't even know if he shot it, but all I know is I got him the ball down there and I'm just going to, all right. Yeah, we're good here. I think we're good here.

He finished his job. Yeah, right. He's like, I did my part. And he does the easy bit in the corner like that. He finds out three possessions later that he missed it. He's like, wait, you missed that? Sorry, I was just checking the score. I couldn't.

And then, yeah, then the run started in the fourth quarter. I mean, it really felt like it had the rhythm of a lot of Warriors wins, right? Where they're like up 10, you know, the other team like comes back, but then they kind of close them out at the end. And then it was like minutes and the Celtics were up 10. It was truly... And that's what, when I'm talking about the Celtics' dominance, it's

not just that they're making a run on offense, it's they're making a run on offense, and completely extinguishing your offense on the other end, in a way that's demoralizing. It's like you're not even really getting a shot, or you're throwing it up as the shot clock expires which feels appropriate because it feels like you know game two kind of some some lessons were learned from that game one maybe they had a

lid on the basket like it just felt like everything that they were able like small things like little little runners or floaters that like would be given points for the Celtics. They were missing everything. Yeah. And then when Golden State got it going, so that would be the second run of the first two games when it got to the point that at the end of the third quarter, Jordan Poole had the ball and was dribbling it up, was defended by a couple different people, was dribbling around them like

they were parking cones and then pulled up from midcourt and as it was leaving his hand I had no doubt in my mind that that was going in. That's actually my what's dope of the past week was him just pulling up and the confidence

that I had that that was going in. I never saw a game end at the end of the third quarter before. But it kind of felt like that. It was like fully, full-on, like extinguished the flame with that because there really was no coming back. And yeah, there was just something about watching that go in, just feeling like you're completely powerless to the inevitability of that shot.

Yeah, in all honesty, I didn't watch the fourth quarter because I fully was like, well, this game's over and just walked away. Yeah, it was. I actually re-watched the third quarter because our dinner had just come. And so I was just checking in and I was like, okay,

they're up 10. Like, it looks like it's going to, you know, there, it's going to be a similar position heading into the fourth quarter. And then I came back in and they were up like 20 and they like Jordan pool was making a shot from mid court.

And then I had to show my dad who's in town and like rewind it. And as I was rewinding it, I was like, look how quick this run happens. And I went back to like the five minute mark. Cause I thought that's when it started. And then the Celtics make another couple threes. And I was like,

Oh wait, like this. So they were only up six when the run started and the run happened in like two and a half minutes. Uh, it was pretty, pretty wild. Should we check out that uh

that dagger deep range dagger yeah for old time's sakes yeah let's do it so let's get a good look at it here comes give you a couple Oh, no. Also, like the crossover move to do a crossover like that, like a step in front of the half court line. It's so indignant. It's almost too like he was doing a step back to make sure he was behind the three point line, too. Yeah, right. It didn't even have like the sort of like the body shape momentum of someone just throwing it up with their forward body movements. No, he meant to do that.

Hold on, let me come back and just give you that. It was the first step back that almost created a backcourt violation. For real. It was cool. And they made it look so easy. And Steph was making some of his ridiculous deep threes that i started like looking at their shooting splits to see like so are they like 50 from like beyond 35 yeah they're like can this over 33 feet they're they're shooting 80 not sure but like could this be a weapon could this be could this be what they just do from now on? Is they just start coming down and pulling up from the logo?

Oh, man. That's a pretty far shot, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what we were saying. Like, the thing for us about that shot, Sarah, is like, that was so far. Like, they shot it from so far. That was literally our commentary on it before you joined.

And then we decided to try and act smarter. No, you're right. All we could say was, that was so far. Yeah. Oh, my God. That was so far. Miles, did you see how far that was? No, dude.

That's not fair. That's so far. That was so far. Oh, my God. That's not a three-pointer. It should be a far-pointer. Oh, no. Yeah. And that's why you came to this podcast. thanks all right that was really fun guys but look at the time

just like in watching this though too before i feel like we didn't really quite predict an outcome jack we were just like i can see either team winning but i could honestly really see a reality where the celt win. Sarah, did you have a prediction after these first two games, or before going into it, and has that changed after, you know, obviously, as we record this, Game 3 hasn't been played, but just off the strength of the first two? Yeah, before the

series started, I had said Celtics in 7, and so I'm just going to stand by that. I'm Celtics in 6. Yeah. And I stand by that, I think, what we've seen so far. Yeah, I'm just going to stand by that. I'm Celtics in six. Yeah. And I stand by that. I think what we've seen so far. Yeah. I'm afraid to articulate anything out loud for the universe to deliver the opposite.

So I'm going to say those sound good. Those sound great. Strong take from Miles Gray. I just don't want to say I need to prevent an 18th ring. Warriors, please. I need to prevent an 18th ring. Warriors, please. And then it's going to be hard cut to green and white confetti falling onto my sweaty face as I watch another banner go up.

This Celtics team, like these players are not the players that have the championship banners in the Boston Garden. Right. So that's a new team. But like it's either going to the Celtics who have won a ton of titles or like the Warriors dynasty team that has already won a bunch of titles. So like either way. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Green and white confetti falling on your sweaty faces.

You eat mom's spaghetti. I mean, I thought that's where you're going with it. Those are the lyrics. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to lose yourself in that moment. I'll tell you that much.

I'm worried about Jason Tatum's shoulder. Okay. So in that game, too, I feel like Wiggins was like molecularly attached to him. Yeah. And it was like he couldn't shake him. Like no matter how many screens, he was just like it was clear what the assignment was for Wiggins. How much of that did you feel like you're like, he's, he's carrying something. Are we giving anything to that defense?

How do you, how do you look at that? I feel like I noticed it a lot more when the Celtics were on defense, like, like he wasn't like up in guys as much as he has been in the past, at least through, you know, the playoffs and on some of the switches or even like just some of like,

like pin downs. And then they have a switches or even like just some of like pin downs and then they have a guy coming around like sort of backdoor, but it's a decoy. Like he was just like motionless in those moments and just like letting guys get through. And then I'd see him like running down the court to the other side,

like touching his shoulder. And I'm just like, get him out of there. He's hurting and he's hurting the team. Now, if movies have taught me anything, he just needs to slam his shoulder into a barrier of some sort and then scream really loud. And then it'll be back to normal.

No, I love that. I love that as a solution. Yeah. The Mel Gibson. The lethal weapon, too. For an elite athlete. Yeah, just smash it a bunch against his locker. Yeah, how about this?

Please, Jason, no. What do you know? You're just a physio. That's really funny. I don't watch movies and very famously have not seen almost any movies that anyone ever wants to talk about. But LethalWeapon2 is right right up my alley and i have seen that there you go hey they're a perfect guest so far flawless flawless yes do you guys want to talk about senseless or lethal weapon marlin wayans and david spade

well marlin wayans david spadeade, and Matthew... What's his name? He was in 13 Ghosts also. Matthew McConaughey? No. He plays the... In Senseless, he plays the... Matthew Lillard. Matthew Lillard!

Yeah. I was thinking of Ghosts of Boyfriends Past. Look at me over here. Another great film. Supposed to be the movie buff. Yeah. Matthew Lillardard also one of our great just to keep it in basketball he's a distant cousin of damian lillard that doesn't feel true

okay maybe not but i thought i would just take a swing on that you just made that up to try hey it's an nba podcast i don't know man you like to do stuff you just like to throw stuff out there maybe it sticks maybe it doesn't some universe dame time and shaggy from the scoopy movies yeah they are cousins i mean they need to collab on on a song we were actually just talking before you got on about like i've heard people throw around dame as the best like nba rapper currently doing it we're not gonna dig into that because that is an off-season episode. For sure. Should we take a break? Come back,

talk about your favorite moment from the first couple games, Miles, and then we'll dig into your backstory, Sarah, and your life covering the NBA. I'm Kerry Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you stream podcasts. And we are back. I know we were talking about jack your favorite moment was uh that pool three just splashing in the pool uh but there was this one moment that i felt like so many people were talking about it on the internet of you know draymond green was a big talking point in game too like what what's he doing this guy's playing football out there and this one moment you do exclusively consume these games via the celtics reddit forum so look everybody's getting by how they can when their team's on the offseason okay and this one clip seemed to inspire much anger and look there's nothing like seeing draymond just kind of pushing your team around down the court just so the greatest shooter of all time can have a nice open three.

I mean, it wasn't open, but yeah, so he could have a split second where he had a angle where he could take the shot like Top Gun style. Desperation from behind, but yet nothing could happen. So let's just enjoy this moment. So Steph's bringing it up Draymond kind of pops out screen It's straight up let's just watch it one more time What just follow Draymond on this? So he pops out screen steps guy

Screens his own man, but like the screen is just pushing pushing them backwards like a bouncer um yeah hey big man sorry man my little bro wants to take a shot it really felt like being at like a basketball court where you play with bigger kids and there's just like a one older kid who's like let my little brother take a shot don't block it and you're like but like i was saying so i feel like draymond is the warriors dude marcus smart is the celtics dude and these are the people who it looks like they're out there like walking right up to the line you know maybe dancing on it a little more in Draymond's case but I feel like they're the people who have studied like

what exactly what is a Falun what isn't like more than anybody else and are like this is not just being done by accident they're also like the smartest players out there and like you know the people who the other

team, if you're rooting for the other team, you do not like these guys. Yeah. And those are the teams you always want on your team down the road. Those dudes, yeah. They're the, like, it reminded me of like Rodman with the second three-peat for the Bulls, like

Lambere with the Pistons. We're trying to do it for like every kind of dynasty or championship team I guess Sheed with the Pistons or Ben Wallace with the Pistons the Pistons that second round of the Pistons were just kind of a lot of these dudes

Bird was kind of that guy for the Celtics he was just you know really rough and smart. He would just punch people. Yeah, exactly. I asked Jabari and Miles who it was for the Lakers dynasty, and you guys were saying Rick Fox and Big Shot Bob,

and then Meta for the later ones. Again, a player who I despised until he showed up in our uniform. And you're like, that's why. Because there's nothing worse than having those players that energetically change the game. Like Draymond said after game two, he's like, in game one, it felt like they didn't feel us. They didn't feel our presence. And I can't, I wouldn't be able to go to sleep if we lost these finals and knowing we didn't actually let them know that we are here you are playing against us and when you see again

like what that does to a team and especially just as a fan watching that frustration from a player kind of getting in someone's head it's a very potent force and And I think it's nice to kind of see that kind of really take center stage in the series. Because I really, really appreciate it. And there's really smart stuff, too. What you're talking about is when you're saying knowing kind of where the line is and how much you can push certain refs. But also Draymond, Marcus Smart, especially Draymond in this case. He knows when he gets an early tech, like that might be an actual tactic.

Right. Because if he knows that if he gets an early tech, that sort of the ticky tech stuff that he might get a technical for in other games, they won't give it to him for the next three quarters because like that will be taken into consideration. Like they're not going to eject him for like you know a taunting foul right and he also seems to have like refined

it for himself too because there's been times when he does get ejected and that may change the entire complexion of a series absolutely uh and i think that's also you know i think everyone's kind of going in with their their new lessons but yeah, it's always good to see. All right, Sarah. So you have what I think a lot of people would consider one of the best jobs in the world, which is getting to watch basketball for a living, see these guys in person. And something I always like to ask people who get to do that is, is there a player who you feel like people have to see in person or should have caught in person just over your career? There's a lot of times that I've thought that about a lot of different players.

I mean, I used to think that about LeBron. Watching him in person my first couple years covering the league was... It's just unreal. It's unreal because like you don't understand like what six nine two eighty and four percent body fat looks like until you and faster than any right until like you see him like stretching before a game and like his legs are like the size of my entire body and i'm like i i just just don't understand how this physiologically works. Right, right.

Other guys that I've thought that about are... I think it's guys that I've been able to watch on a consistent basis. So it's like, you know, if you watch Klay Thompson on one night or another, and you don't see him around every day, you might catch a good game of his but like if you were to watch him every single night watch 82 games of clay thompson right he's so underrated defensively and at least he was you know before the acl and the achilles right um right and then i also saw him i was in the building the night that he scored 37 points in a quarter.

And it is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. All of the rules about being a member of press row and trying to keep it professional, all of that went out the window. Everyone that was... You're just throwing beers everywhere. Everyone that was... Jumping on the people next to you.

Hey, give me your beer yeah it was we were all like screaming like we were watching a dunk contest and yeah just in awe of what was happening because it it didn't make sense and it's you know people forget that it wasn't just 37 points in a quarter he was it wasn't even the whole court it was like nine minutes and 30 seconds yeah right my ignorance what's usually like the decorum uh or you know what's the the sense of decorum with the press like no celebrating like no no overreacting like sometimes someone makes like a huge dunk or a crazy play and we're like oh okay right um And then pretend to take notes on it. Like, wow. And you're texting, like, he just caught the body. Oh, that looked great.

That's what I'll write. That shot was so far. Far. Yeah, so you just, I mean, you're mostly, it's just about, like, not overreacting. You're there because you're doing a job. But, job job like in that moment we were fans of the game because it was just insane it was mayhem it was insane what was happening so that's that's something that i'm always going to remember and also joelle and beat is one that i think everybody should see because

if people especially from like fans of the Conference, you get to see the Eastern Conference players even less. And if you can go and watch that guy play a game, he's so impressive. The touch. Watching somebody that size with that touch and that footwork is really cool. Yeah.

I played against Joel a little bit. No, I didn't. Oh my gosh. Just getting to watch him from 15 rows back is pretty cool because you get a better sense of scale. I got to see LeBron up close at, I think it was the summer league in Boston, his rookie year. And even then,

like I could, could not believe what I was seeing, but yeah, the, the clay thing though is, I mean, that, that has always stuck out to me as the Clay thing though is, I mean, that has always stuck out to me as when he gets locked in, it's

otherworldly. And the fact that you were there for that in person, I feel like I would be almost like a little bit like, I would feel like it was spooky. Like I would be like creeped out a little bit. I'd be like, yo. I've told this story before. I left the arena that night and I cried in the parking lot wow because you're just so moved yeah because i was like

i i felt what you were saying like i'm so lucky that this is my job and like yeah you know like everyone else in the world there are things that i complain about with my job but i am completely aware of the privilege that like i get to watch this type of athletic greatness and i left the arena that night i was like i got paid to look at that right yeah yeah what were my do you remember like a a given reaction to like people in in press row like after he like when he was just because at the end there it was when you're playing nba jam and you know that the computer is basically like glitching and you can just like touch it like with it just hit that button real quick and it's gonna go it's gonna yeah and it's

just gonna go up and like he doesn't even you don't have to like be squared up you don't even have to you just like tap it and the second it leaves your hand you know it's going in and that was like how he was shooting at the end it was like he was just flicking it towards the basket yeah he was like yeah no i don't know man it's just it's weird but everything that leaves my hands going in in this nba game as i'm being guarded by uh people with seven foot one wingspans. Do you remember like how other people reacting or like what? Yeah. There's one moment that sticks out because kind of through the whole thing, all of us were like looking side to side at each other.

And we were like, it was like, we were all so confused. We were just like, wait, what, what, what did that happen?

What? And then there was a moment. I'm sure that it, you know, you can find it on YouTube, where there's a whistle or a dead ball for some reason, and he shoots after the whistle, and it goes in.

And the building erupted like he'd hit the winning shot during a game seven in the finals. And I remember, I'm pretty sure that it was Danny LaRue who was sitting next to me, and he had a notebook, and he just threw it up and got up and walked away. And I was like, that's the right response.

And he's never been seen again. That was the last anyone ever saw of Danny LaRue. He just walked off muttering into the bay. Like Forrest Gump, just all overgrown and stuff. And he hasn't stopped walking since. But it is one of those things like magic, right? When someone's doing a magic trick and they go pick a card any card and then they shut then they put it back and

they shuffle it and then they go is this your card no is this your card no and they say now check your back pocket and you say no no yeah no and then it's in your shoe. Yeah, and then you pull it out and you're like, that is the same thing of watching somebody so locked in because you have to go, this can't be possible. And it was so funny because while it was happening also, you could see that whatever game plan or scheme that the Warriors were playing

with, they gave it up. And it was very obvious that their game plan was okay everybody just passed to clay and they were they were passing in the ball in ridiculous positions like that's where he had no business touching the ball and like no one could do anything about it and he was just he was tossing things up without looking like he was legit taking bad shots and everything just went in yeah he could not stop he couldn't he couldn't have missed like he was legit taking bad shots and everything just went in yeah he could not stop he couldn't he couldn't have missed if he was trying to miss yeah i feel like at one point

he might have been like all right i'm gonna actually try and shoot this off out of out of bounds like miss the backboard and it and it went in there there's a great clip that Jabari put on the docket. It was not in the finals, but it has to do with Clay. I don't know. It's Andre Iguodala calling travel on Clay during the season. Have you seen this clip? That's great.

Yeah. Clay's getting his feet set, and it's just a good teammate moment because he does travel. He shuffles his feet set and it's just a good teammate moment because he does travel. He shuffles his feet. He kind of does that hardened step back where it's like, wait, what did I just see?

What did my eyes just see? That's not legal. But usually the decorum, speaking of decorum, the decorum for NBA teams is not to call travel on your own team. Here, let's hit play. As the shot

is going up, you can tell he's on the baseline doing the traveling arm, you know, the ref gesture. Doing the traveling arm ref gesture while imitating the foot shuffling with his own feet. Stood up to make fun of him. And the ref didn't call it, which was nice of them. But I do. I love the Warriors after, you know, these finals.

And I am starting to really like the Celtics. Everything you read about Odoko is so cool. Really like him. So I'm not where I was before Celtics fans, okay.

Yeah. I've got nothing on the line here, as opposed to Lakers fans who might have something. I don't know. But I don't know any Lakers fans, do I? Nah, nah. None that aren't tortured beyond belief. I do have a question, though, Sarah.

As a fan of the game and someone who's witnessed some fantastic moments, do you have a favorite finals moment since we're in the finals? Something that just warms your heart when you think about it yeah i like i do like emotional moments and so when i think of favorite finals moments i think of often think about when dirk when the when the mavs won and dirk had to leave the court so that he could stop himself from crying. And when it means that much to someone, it makes me feel like, good, I'm glad they won. They deserve it.

Because when guys don't feel emotionally invested, I'm like, well, give it to the guy that's crying. I want it to tear them up. I want it to tear them up i want it to matter like if if a team loses in the finals i want it to eat at them and i want it to really matter and a team wins the finals i want it to be like i want to see that it's the greatest glory in the world for them i want to be able to see it and what better what better indicator than this so time is running out on the heat and Dirk just

immediately runs to the tunnel and leaves the court to the point where you can't believe he just won the finals he's crying into his jersey the emotions of Dirk Nowitzki what he's always dreamed of hoping to have another chance He's crying into his jersey. The emotions of Dirk Nowitzki. Yeah.

What he's always dreamed of, hoping to have another chance after the bitter loss in 2006. An unlikely playoff run capped off by Dallas upsetting LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and the favored Miami Heat. It's one of those things where you can just tell, right, how important every single action they've done in their life is to build towards that moment. Right. And when you get there, some people, you see people all the time, like in the Olympics, some people collapse. Right.

Because they can't believe it. I love it. Some people are just overjoyed. Some people are just overjoyed. But I think that's the thing we all love about sport is because when you're watching it, you can tell these people are so dedicated to a singular purpose. And when they get there, there's nothing sweeter than that. And you're like, oh, where's the finals for podcasting?

See, I find it helpful to collapse before, like during the competition competition because then i never win it and there's no emotions at stake so just physically collapse emotionally collapse like the second anything's on the line at all wait there's stakes yes i truly i truly in my personal life i really understand an emotional collapse to preserve ourselves. I cried because someone else scored 37 points. So I can't imagine what, I wouldn't be able to physically handle it if the stakes were high for me.

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And I think this is our new tradition is we like to close out the show with some rapid fire questions with our guests. So, Sarah, when we ask these questions, just don't even think. Just react. Give us your answer. Perfect. We just want to pick your brain. Let's start the clock now. Jack, you may begin the question. We call it a lightning round because lightning is fast. The idea is

that these are questions we're going to ask fast and then you can answer them quickly. It's good when you have to explain it. What's lightning? Full background. Just wanted to make sure you weren't caught unaware. And so now I'm going to ask the question as Miles mentioned 30 seconds ago.

Before that, we like to mention, we like this segment to be so quick. No reason to draw this out. We want this to be super quick so people get a lot of information really quickly think jordan pull shot started think jordan pull shot so far so we're thinking quick so take take the far place with quick and away great we we go go Which is a line from The Dark Knight. The Joker says it. Yes.

Who played him again? Heath Ledger. That's right. What we're doing is balancing the Ledger with some questions. Number one, best NBA arena not named Vivint. I love Little Caesars Arena. The new

Detroit Arena. That's a very good one. Ty, I love Little Caesars Arena, the new Detroit arena. That's a very good one. Ty, I love the Hornets Arena. Madison Square Garden is obviously legendary. But also Little Caesars, those are just, they're really good arenas, great places to watch

a basketball game. Also the Suns Arena, it's a footprint center, I think is now the name of it. But I feel like those are very good arenas. Nice. Wow. I had not heard the thing about the Pistons or the

Hornets. As someone who loves crazy bread, I mean, say less. The thing is also, I don't know how or why, but the Little Caesars food at Little Caesars arena is better than you'll get it anywhere else i love that sense they're saving their fastball up speaking of food which

arena has the most underrated food and i know you said little caesar's so that gets in there but expand on that please are there any other places so i mean i'm i'm speaking to like the media dining which is not going to be the fan experience, like eating out on the concourse. And so the Houston Rockets, they've always got like a beautiful charcuterie board in the media room. And I'm like, oh, yes, I would love some brie and some like fresh Kalamata olives. Thank you. Whoa. Okay. In comparison, right? If Houston's coming with the charcuterie, what are you used to usually for your medium meal? I don't know, like a really dry buffet chicken breast

that's just been really overcooked and then like a hot dog that's on a stale bun. Okay, fantastic. Which like, I'll eat. I'll do it. All right. Young player, you expect to take the leap next season. So Ja would be our example for this season

is there a young player who you think next year we're gonna all be talking about them on shows like mad boosties which is most people's touchstone for latest you know nba content feels like a cop out to say like evan mobley but he's so good he's so good i I love Evan Mobley and Scotty Barnes. Like those are guys that I am absolutely certain are going to be great. So I'm watching them. Okay. Next question. 96 bulls or the 16 warriors in a series.

96 bulls. Okay. Two players from the nineties. You'd love to see in today's game. Dennis Rodman, Larry bird. Oh yeah. I love that answer.

I want a guy who doesn't need to be provoked to punch someone. He comes into the game in a good mood and thinks, I might punch someone tonight. And also, I just think those guys could me turn this up a little. Yeah. And also, like, I just think those guys could play in any era of

basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Robin is such a good example of, like, the kind of Draymond thing and, like, you know, people underrated thing that I think we saw a little bit in the, like, last dance, but, like, how much studying he does on, like... Energy merchants.

Yeah. Watching... The ball hits the room, it goes, ding, ding, ding, ding, he does. Energy merchant. Yeah, watching. The ball hits the room, it goes ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah. Exactly. And finally, you can fill Utah's coaching void, a bit of a thought experiment, with any available candidate. What direction are you going in?

Are you in a D'Antoni, a Volkl, Stotts, an assistant? There's two different ways to answer this question, right? It if i am gm and i'm running the ship what am i doing or what do i think is best for the people that are already in those positions if i'm running it you can't say miles or me you can't say miles or me if i'm running everything first thing i'm doing is just blowing it up. I'm trading everyone. I'm bringing on expiring contracts and just trying to stockpile assets because I don't think that they can get better through trading right now. And in that case, then I want someone that's going to do really well for young players.

And so I wouldn't have waited so long and I would have got Kenny Atkinson. But now that doesn't seem like it's a choice I kind of think that Fizdale would be really good okay yeah that's a good one I thought you were gonna say you'd blow it up so that you could move them to a different market like the owner from uh the the movie major league but that's also a good strategy I like that. All right. Well, you have passed our lightning round. I know you probably didn't even realize that it started so quickly.

I didn't. See? Told you. Real quick. Sarah Todd, such a pleasure having you on Miles and Jack. I'm Matt Boosties, and now, of course,

you have officially, by appearing on the show, co-endorsed the idea that that miles and i both have mad boosties um and we can use you as a reference for that fact uh i used to be able to touch net miles i think still can touch rims so no big deal no big deal can't can't get the ball through there, though. Just me with my hand grabbing the rim. But, Sarah, where can people find you and listen to you, your podcast or your work? Where do they catch you? You can find me nowhere near the rim.

I cannot touch rim. You can find me on the defensive end or on all the social medias at NBA Sarah. And you can listen to the podcast unsalvageable. And if you want to read about the Utah jazz, all my stuff's at Deseret.com D S E R E T. All right, go do it. Go listen to the podcast.

Yes. Sarah Todd, one of our favorite guests. Been such a pleasure having you. Can I just say that you guys have mad boosties? Oh, you did it. And that's locked in. We've had so many guests come on, and not one of them have said that at the end.

I feel like I'm the old man in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, the old knight, and just had suitor after suitor come and just wither away. And finally, we have somebody who has chosen wisely and complimented our boosties. I thought it would be good to take a long walk on a movie reference with somebody who has already said they don't watch a lot of movies and don't get movie references.

I'm not a monster. I've seen all of the... I thought you were i thought you were gonna say that i tore your heart out no no no no no no no you have made me feel very good about myself thank you wow wipe those tears off jack uh well there's something in my eyes here i'll do the outro then thank you so much for joining us for this episode of Miles and Jack got mad boosties. Enjoy game three. Although I've already enjoyed game three. Enjoy game four.

Four. Yeah. I will enjoy game three. I'm speaking to us. And this is a professional podcast. And you enjoy game three, sir. I will. And to you as well.

Thanks so much, y'all. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese.

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