The Daily Zeitgeist - Fascist Mass Shooters Not News? Ben Shapiro: King of Hollywood 2.24.22
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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 225, Episode 3 of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist, a
production of iHeartRadio.
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It is Thursday, February 24th, 2022.
I don't need to tell y'all what that means.
It's Toast Day, baby.
And Chili Day.
Yeah, also that. your combine your toast and chili
i guess i love a little texas toast and my chili which is my vocal warm-up also what'd you say
buckle warm-up vocal warm-up oh texas toast in my chili is texas toast just garlic bread on white
bread yeah it's just garlic bread croutons basically right because
that's what i feel like whenever you see it i'm like oh it looks like white bread like thick ass
white bread with just like garlic butter yeah i think texas toast is just yeah it's garlic bread
but like with a texas white bread spin on it and then i like the texas toast croutons is uh i think where do you get that
i don't know no clue just one up usually ralph's or something i guess kroger for the non-la
residents oh yeah but you know the best garlic bread in la smokehouse burbank oh really oh yeah
have you been there nope oh man the smokehouse like, it's right across the street from Warner Brothers.
And the interior is like not changed since like the 60s.
And people like, it's been in a few different shooting, like we use this shooting location.
But when you go in there, the vibe is real interesting because they have bands that play.
There's sometimes this weird Elvis impersonator.
But the garlic bread, like they've had that around the country.
A weird Elvis impersonator?
I don't know. I've never heard of a weird Elvis impersonator.
That'll seem pretty, pretty down the middle.
All right. Well, uh, my name is Jack O'Brien,
AKA who drank the pee I put in the fridge.
Tell me now confess to me or snitch who drank the fridge. Tell me now. Confess to me your snitch.
Who drank the pee I just put right here?
It was fresh.
Looked like a nice cold beer.
Who drank the pee now?
It's courtesy of No Clue on the Discord,
but at Radio Georgio on Twitter,
I had a real end of usual suspects moment where I found I realized those those are the same person.
Fucking blew my mind, man.
Yeah.
Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.
Yes, the founder of Kobayashi Ceramics Company. It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Her Majesty's Prince Consort, a.k.a. Oatsy, the official courtesan, a.k.a. Camilla Smokin' Bowls.
Thank you so much to Bottles and fans of Discord for my royal titles.
There you go.
Beautiful.
Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined by one of our favorite guests that comes on TDZ,
a very funny comedian from Good Mythical Morning
and the Star Wars show.
He's the co-creator of Newsbroke
and the host of the podcast,
Frotcast and Pod Yourself a Gun.
Please welcome the very funny,
the very spread out,
man spread the fuck out.
It's Matt Lee!
Matt!
Dig through the ditches and burn through the witches and slam in the back of my.
Matt Lieb's car.
What's up, guys?
I don't own a Dragula, but I do own a 2006 Honda Civic.
Hell yeah.
Would have worked with Corolla.
In the back of my Corolla yeah but you know it's no
dude you're no notes for me the king of uh parody songs with the just god damn right like low energy
punch line at the end just like the pod yourself again that's what i do man dude full disclosure
yeah i don't know if we'll even put this out on the podcast,
but so Jack and I were working on a basketball podcast.
Oh, hell yeah.
And there was a title that we really loved,
and we couldn't stop saying it like the pod yourself a gun intro.
And we're like, dude, do we like hit up Matt and just be like, hey, man, we really fuck with the construction of the theme song.
Got rejected, unfortunately.
Got rejected.
Oh, damn, dude.
That's too bad.
Can we say what it was?
Yeah.
It was, mama, there goes that podcast.
I love a good just saying podcast randomly in a title bit.
I mean, you're the inventor.
You're the creator.
Of course you love that.
I'm the first guy to ever do it you know it was me and yourself again i mean me and the pod save america guys
you know we're one in the same exactly robin wait you're not from positive america i thought
no no that's a different that's a different podcast uh pod save america i mean i was
the original i was actually the third john they just called me john for some reason it just that's a different podcast uh pod save america i mean i was the original i was actually the third
john they just called me john for some reason it just that's the that's just the custom when you
go yeah when you go on that show they change your name to john and i was like all right i'll do it
but then you know i called like hillary clinton a wench and then they kicked me off i know i
shouldn't have used the word went not in this house i know yeah it's like when lauren
is hiring someone for snl i call him lauren because i've you were very close yeah you guys
are close yeah when he's hiring for someone for snl he asked them how they are with wigs when
someone's coming on pod save america they're like how are you with changing your name to john to
john and i'm like yeah sure dude i'll. I'll do whatever to do podcasting.
Pretty much.
I'll do whatever you guys need.
You would do anything for podcasting.
I would do anything.
Including Matt.
We'd love to give him his own show.
He just won't change his name from Matt to John.
That's the only thing holding this thing together.
Oh, that's too bad.
Yeah, that's the one thing that would have made my career has been John.
There's too many Matts.
So I actually, John Lieb, that sounds good. I'll do bad. Yeah. That's the one thing that would have made my career has been John. There's too many mats. So I actually, John Lieb, that sounds good.
I'll do it.
Yeah.
That and you wouldn't get a vote blue no matter who back tap.
Oh, dude.
I mean, I told them I would get a vote blue, like unless they're only blue in name, but really they're red though.
And they were like, that's too long.
It won't fit on your back and i was like but like if side by side their policies basically look like a like a centrist republican
right i'm a little conflicted and want to reserve my right to not be so rigid with how i vote
and at that point the tattoo has reached your taint.
Well, yeah.
Well, while I was explaining that to them, the CIA put a bag over my head and they drove me back home.
And I was like, ah, shit.
I guess I didn't make the audition for Pod Save America.
No, you didn't.
That's fine.
All right, Matt, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things that we're talking about today.
We're going to talk about the mass shooter in Portland that was undercovered, misrepresented early on in the reporting from the mainstream media.
I didn't even know that happened.
Yeah, it's a thing that they don't really want to talk about.
I think only like CNN type news places are only now today beginning to have like full on reporting about it.
Yeah.
Wow.
So anyways, we're going to talk about that.
We are going to talk about the fact that you had the distinct privilege of watching the first release from Ben Shapiro's film production company, a film by the name of Shut In.
I just I want to know what what is it
like oh it's it's unlike any experience i've ever experienced when it comes to movie watching yeah
i mean and you have been radicalized oh oh completely completely yes all that plenty more
before we get to any of that shit matt Matt, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?
Yeah, my most recent search history was four big guys and they bust on my eyes.
Now, so let me explain.
So that's a song that I heard at one point.
Yeah.
explain what so that that's a a song that i heard at one point yeah and i was trying to find out what the name of it was so i could uh so i could make a little content and uh yeah the song is
called four big guys and uh it was uh it's just a song about um well it's a song about people
busting on each other's eyes and having sex and uh i spliced it into a video of did you guys see
the 60 minutes profile yeah i'm glad you brought this up havana syndrome so 60 minutes to the story
on havana syndrome this past weekend a lot of people have been sharing this clip around where
the it's very strange because you know Minutes has an elderly viewing audience.
And so they are like, and somebody got a recording of the noise that was causing the syndrome.
We're about to play it for you.
But just so you know, the noise will not give you Havana syndrome.
And then they play it. It will not hurt you.
They play it.
It's the crickets that we've heard before.
It is buzzing cicadas.
Yes, but you had a different take on it.
Yeah, I spliced it with this song called Four Big Guys.
So there's the 60 minutes buildup letting you know the sound you're about to hear.
Do not worry.
This sound will not hurt you. It is like the sound of a gun.
It is not the sound
that does the injury.
Right.
Here's what he recorded.
And he's like,
four big guys.
And they bust on my eyes.
They eat my ass
just like apple pies.
And then it's
a really great song.
And I suggest that
that everyone,
you know,
listen to.
It is a good song.
It's a great song. Yeah. At that everyone um you know it is a good song it's a great song yeah at one point a guy's like uh he's dunking his balls in my booty like he's scotty pippen
which is like i think uh a nice shout out to scotty pippen yeah yeah you don't see that a lot
in uh rap music these days yeah not really giving praise to Scottie Pippen like that.
People forget that he was he wasn't just the second
best player on the Bulls.
He was the second best player
probably in the league at the time.
The king of odd
insertions.
Yes, the king of
dunking his balls.
Wait, who's the artist that does Four Big Guys?
Okay, so the only place where I got it was an album on Spotify called MVP Meme Music.
So I don't know.
So it has been purchased.
I assume so.
By a consortium.
It's been purchased by a consortium, which is too bad because I'd really like to know the artists because they're very good i mean they spit hot fire and it's a great song so you know
yeah by the way i flew united back to to florida for my dad's 70th and united has the direct tv
thing so i got to watch the 88 dunk contest again oh yeah which i had to watch this
shit out because like my like one of the three vhs's i had in my house when i was a kid was
dazzling dunks and basketball bloopers and that was like sort of the climax of it but i'd like
forgotten how fucking cool some of the dunks are oh yeah in that contest was it moses malone in Oh, yeah. It's fucking wild. People forget also how good Dominic Wilkins was. Like, that dude was...
Dominic Wilkins.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I'm sorry to say, Dominique, excuse me.
Come on now.
Put some respect on Neek's name.
All right, all right.
Listen.
Hey, that Dominic Watkins guy.
I call him Dominic, all right?
He's Dom.
You watch too much Sopranos.
Yeah, I've been watching way too much Sopranos.
Everyone's dumb.
Little dumb Wilkies.
Yeah.
What is something you think is overrated?
Overrated?
Planning a wedding.
Weddings in general.
It is an incredibly expensive party that the bride and groom don't get to enjoy.
expensive party that the bride and groom don't get to enjoy.
And to be honest, I'm not even sure who gets to enjoy it because most weddings I go to,
I'm like, I'm here for the food and to see a couple of friends, but this feels very expensive and for no one.
So I'm going to say weddings.
I'm currently getting married to your previous guest, Francesca Fiorentini.
We are just in the midst
of trying to
line up all of our vendors
and our guest list
and all that stuff.
Everyone wants to
charge you too much for everything.
It's bullshit. Why do they charge you more if you're in love?
That's the thing I cannot
stand about the wedding industry. It's so evil. They're like, you want to you're in love? That's the thing I cannot stand about the wedding industry.
It's so evil.
They're like, oh, you want to rent a fork?
Normally that's 60 cents to rent a fork.
Oh, wait, it's going to go in the mouth at a wedding?
Oh, it's $3 now.
Yeah, immediately they just like all the prices go up because everything is going to be touched with love.
You know, so they're like, oh, well,, well, if you want to get the good forks,
it's going to cost you $10 a fucking prong.
You know what's funny?
Because I just got married a couple weeks ago in the lead up to our wedding.
Thank you, man.
I was trying to find every single way to hack around it to the point where I asked my now wife, Her Majesty, I said, what if we said we were having a business merger at a hotel?
And we kind of kept it fun and said everyone had to say they were there for the business merger.
And so that way, it's just a catered meal.
It's just the same banquet things because it's
just a meeting it's not a wedding and then yeah we're gonna dance outside but like just see how
corporate events yeah exactly exactly there's djs there's djs and shit you know yeah i like at this
point i have now started referring to it just as an event. So like the ice cream people,
I was like,
we are going to have an 80 person event in June.
How much does it cost for you to do that?
And they were like,
you could tell that they were going like,
okay,
yeah,
but like,
what kind of event is it?
Well,
and I'm just,
I said,
anniversary party.
I mean, you think they... I feel like
they'll charge you if love is in there.
Right. I'm saying.
You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised.
Oh, man. Well, I fucked up
and said wedding most of the time, and now
it's just the ice cream people are going to be relatively
cheaper.
But I'm worried they're going to show up and be like,
Hey! This is a wedding oh this costs
double now and then pack it up brenda it's a wedding yeah exactly just like i thought
and then they let all the ice cream melt yeah but yes so i mean you know planning a wedding is
is is just uh it's hard dude i just want to be in love yeah right why can't i just be in love best piece
of advice i got was like right before the wedding was someone said hey man make sure you act like a
guest at your wedding don't act like a host that's oh yeah because it's real easy to get in host
mindset and like you're saying it's like who's this fucking thing for right like if you can kind
of resolutely say like when
the day comes obviously you got to have your shit together to make you know make things
everything's happening according to plan but when the day comes just be a fucking guest because you
got to enjoy the fuck out of that day well yeah me being a guest means just eating alone and going
to the bathroom for too long so i think my wife will be mad at that yeah
yeah the first dance music at last shows like starts playing and francesca is just waiting
for me and i'm like i'm taking a shit all out dude do the next dance like do the next one do
daddy daughter dance yeah yeah this is gonna be few minutes, so maybe do mommy daughter too.
Knock them both out.
What is something you think is underrated?
Bro, you know what's underrated?
My Instagram.
At Matt Leap Jokes.
Here's the thing, guys.
I've realized that in spending the last i don't know eight years
trying to get my twitter following up that instagram has passed me by and because of that
my career is real stagnant so what i need is number one if anyone out there works at instagram
hook it up with a blue check mark dude this time I promise I won't lose it like I did with my Twitter blue check mark and then also just misplaced the Twitter one or no I pretended to be
the New York Times and I I abused my my blue check mark and they won't give it back and uh yeah so
like you know my Instagram is great I got videos of me doing Sanos parody songs that uh at least you guys will like
by you guys i mean jack and miles and uh you know and i got amazing content like four big guys
busting on eyes during the 60 minutes thing so and occasionally there's a picture of my beautiful
wife yeah so there you go that's that's super underrated. And I think, at Matt Leap Jokes, it's very good.
Go.
Follow.
Now.
Follow it.
Please.
Please.
Yeah.
All right.
By the way, did you watch the whole 60 Minutes thing?
Or just enough to get the...
Get inspired.
Get inspired.
I watched...
No, I didn't.
I just watched clips of it.
And I'm dubious about the whole thing. So the idea of watching the entire 60 Minutes thing just to me seemed like I would just be making fun of it the whole time. And part of me does feel a little bit bad because I'm sure some of these people truly believe that something bad has happened to them.
Oh, yeah. And I try to limit the amount of time I spend in my life
just yelling at the TV and calling people liars,
who I've never met.
Yeah.
But I don't believe it.
I'm sorry.
I don't believe it.
It all sounds fake,
and I don't want to be convinced out of that.
So you're saying that you don't even think people
are experiencing symptoms at all?
Oh, I believe there are people who are legitimately experiencing some sort of symptoms of something.
Right, right, right.
But just not some death beam that's being...
Right, exactly.
This microwave death beam that exists sounds like a CIA CIA op and I don't believe it.
But, you know, that's that's my bias.
That's where that's where my bias is.
So is that based off of a history of CIA ops that were.
No, no, no.
This is just one time where I've decided that I don't believe the CIA every other time they've been right and doing
good things yeah right but uh no I just decided this is the one I'm not gonna believe uh no yeah
the CIA yeah I stand you know yeah oh we all stand the CIA well they're inclusive uh they you know
believe in uh gay rights that's right and uh and for that i commend them and wish to join yeah i haven't
seen it either i'm gonna i'll watch it and talk about it on a future episode at some point i'm
very excited all right uh let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about portland
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And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church.
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Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry,
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I know I'll go down in history.
People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.
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And we're back. And a 43-year-old man in Portland opened fire on a group of unarmed protesters that were marching in memory of Amir Locke. And, you know, one woman, a six-year-old, who volunteers to do
traffic control to protect fellow protesters was killed. Multiple others were wounded. One is
paralyzed from being shot in the neck. And then, you know, after the victims were screaming for help. Another person at a nearby part of the protest came over, was lawfully carrying a gun and shot back at the mass shooter and wounded him.
And that's what stopped the mass shooting.
So seems like kind of a big story, right?
Yeah, it sounds like some right wing terror, if I've ever heard of it but you know if you again if you're not on twitter or more even more specifically like leftist twitter felt like you you were completely uh
you would have not heard anything about this you know like yeah there was like a headline of like
some kind of shooting happening in portland and then that was about it and then if you were solely
relying on like local media and police reporting you you wouldn't know what the fuck happened. Like the way the early reports, the way they were worded, it sounded like they were like, yeah, man, it's homeowner to add like a layer of like he's just, you know, protecting his private property.
Exactly. Yet it was a guy who was renting an apartment who was essentially not just some guy who was just, you know, had enough of people just being loud in the park across the street.
street no as like his roommate described him said you know over the years he's gotten more and more radicalized like it started at the end of obama's presidency and he started getting angrier and
angrier we would i would hear him yell like racial slurs and like like you know misogynistic things
from his like room just shouting or talking about how he wanted to shoot commies or antifa
and things like that and even he was
also part of the furry community but he was more on the fash end of the furry spectrum i'm sorry
there's a there's a fashion of the furry spectrum that exists well because i think a lot of the the
more like you know prominent furries that you hear that are involved in social justice are like
anti-fascist anti-racist and they're absolutely like they're trying to purge people from the community because like it's
not inclusive like we're not fucking with this and this guy was already going head to head even
within the furry community so like he had this reputation from having these conflicts becoming
increasingly radicalized and eventually it boiled over it was just it went from being
watching a lot of youtube videos to now acting out his like violent fantasies in real life
and but initial reports kept it as sort of like hey man it sounds like some something weird
happened at one of those protests when people started arguing rather than what happened was this guy came up to this group
of like traffic control volunteers who were all women and completely removed from like the main
protest targeted these this group of people started yelling all kinds of wild shit and when someone
tried to de-escalate he just opened fire. Jesus. And he is a right-wing furry.
I think a lot of it is, and this is just complete speculation, but everything that's going on in Portland or has been going on in Portland seems to be completely only covered by right-wing media.
Right-wing media is the only place where you get to see every other week, every other week you get to see them saying like Antifa has taken over Portland.
And the second that like, you know, all of this reporting culminates in the actual death of people by the hands of someone who's consumes their media.
They're like, oh, we can't really we can't really this doesn't fit our narrative. It's supposed to be Antifa who is killing everyone or trying to force old ladies to do CRT. So it's like this just doesn't fit the narrative. So who would cover it? And the question is why the mainstream media wouldn't cover this either i think because they're not
maybe not interested in just taking the you know like the first sort of comments from the police
described it as a confrontation between an armed resident and armed protesters yeah yeah so even
now that's how it's being reported that like like after an initial conflict smith reportedly pulled
out a handgun and shot five people. Someone shot back at Smith.
Police said hitting him near his hip.
So, yeah, it sounds like it's the fucking shootout at the OK Corral.
Right.
Instead of him, somebody opening fire on a group of unarmed protesters, people who are peacefully protesting.
He shot the woman he killed, a 60-year-old woman he shot at close range in the head.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, at first they were like, you know, now they're looking for the armed protester who fired back.
Once the police saw the, you know, one of the protesters who was in the group that was, you know, fired on, they had a GoPro on their helmet.
Once the police saw the GoPro footage, they were like, oh, yeah like oh yeah we have like this guy completely was acting in self-defense like this person just came at
these people and started shooting yeah and that's a whole other dimension of the story that's
completely missing to your point like whether it's right-wing media or just general corporate media
they're like you know right-wing media doesn't fit their narrative of like antifa being
the like uber violent aggressors that they need them to be in their like sort of manufactured
worldview whereas corporate media they're not interested in it because they're also custodians
of like white supremacy and right to be like full-throated be like this is a right-wing you
know terror attack that's too much you know they're unwilling
to actually go there when every single person who was at the event will just describe it as such and
you know and clearly the video was clear enough to the police that they had no interest
in charging or doing anything with the person who was defending these people
yeah i wonder how much of the mainstream media's resistance is tied to the backlash on the right.
Like, whether...
I think 100%.
Yeah, like, the right and, you know, Tucker Carlson
having that documentary claiming that, like,
this is all Trump.
Like, I think that that has had an effect, for sure.
I think so, too, because it explains
kind of a general media blackout when it comes to just things that happen in the pacific northwest that are like so egregious
that should be a big deal just aren't like the you know trump sanctioning the execution of that
one guy that he like shot or he had like shot and killed a policeman or
something like that he was like a a left-wing protester um which is like obviously that's
murder you should be arrested but rather than arresting him he was just executed by a group of
like federally deputized policemen do you guys remember this story are you guys was this also in portland
this i think it was it was either it was i think it was oregon or washington it was pacific
northwest but in general like the the right-wing media's effect on i think the rest of the corporate
media with regards to like portland and the pacific northwest and all the like the actions that have happened like the protests and and whatnot and like occupations they look at that and they go like well those guys are
the far left so you know sometimes like i personally think that they look at that and
they kind of agree with the right wing tape yeah i think so without actually saying like
that they agree with it.
I think, well, because I'm sure from their perspective, too, they're they're saying they're going too far in their pursuit of justice.
Right. Exactly.
You know what I mean? And I think that's where it makes people uncomfortable, especially if you're in a hegemonic class that watching people take strides to pursue equality looks like terror to them
right and like for they were doing it in a way that you know they they're looking at it as like
oh these guys are actual threats to us you know like if these people were in power you know then
they would they would bring the guillotine out and stuff like that, rather than like looking at this as like a part of a greater whole where like literally the entire country was marching for justice.
I feel like the mainstream media is still stuck in like sort of the Clintonian like my frame of like, you know, corporations like whatever is the most profitable will ultimately that be the most good and like clinton's main sort of like genius for politics was triangulation right he took he
took whatever like once i believed whatever the other side believed and like would put himself
right in the middle of those things i feel like that is where the mainstream media still like kind of finds its gravitational pull is like
right towards that and so as things go further and further to the right and because still claiming to
be the center right because the right is for is moving further and further towards fucking nazism
right yeah yeah that's very very frustrating i also think just as regards the right there definitely
seems to be like it's really not surprising to me that this person the the person that they
shot at close range in the head and killed was an old woman there there's like some real bully
shit that like i feel like goes under you know anti-woman like misogyny obviously racism but
like i don't know it it just feels like that is so there's so much rage and anger towards women
tied up in the right i know that's like not news but it it really seems to be underreported because it's just, I don't know, it's, I guess
we've come to accept it, you know? I mean, this is someone who was clearly looking for victims
and not so much looking to get in like a shootout, you know? This was someone who was looking to just
kill a bunch of people and be able to, know run away yeah it's still being described as
looking for a fight he wasn't looking for somebody to who was going to fight back no yeah he was
looking to murder this is what a mass shooter does and uh it's not being reported that way because
everyone doesn't know how they feel at least in the corporate media about people who protest in
the pacific northwest they're all seen as like a bunch of communists.
So they,
uh,
they're ambivalent towards like what are actual,
these are actual like fascist movements that are happening in the Pacific
Northwest,
you know,
and,
and Antifa is a response to those fascists.
It's like literally they're going around screaming,
these guys are Nazis.
And the corporate media goes, Oh, these're going around screaming, these guys are Nazis,
and the corporate media goes, oh, these guys call everyone Nazis.
Right.
And then... It's like, well, they got the swastika. All right, never mind.
Yeah, exactly. No, no, they're saying it. They're saying, I am Nazi. He's wearing...
They like Third Reich regalia.
Exactly.
They're into that. And again, it's just about, about in general the media is just ill-equipped
to be able to have a sober-eyed analysis of white supremacy and just rampant inequality because
whenever stories like that pop up it's always some weird fucking half step to acknowledging
what's happening rather than saying like no this is actually what's happening this is a problem but because it's just like i don't know you know i don't really like to
talk about that stuff it's like that's what it feels like the media is like a very uncomfortable
rich person who would rather not get too bogged down on the dark shit that's happening right for
the rest of us we look at it and you're going like you know the halfway this like centrist
point this halfway point is you going like well you know the halfway this like centrist point this halfway point is you
going like well you know then maybe they deserve to die that's that's what their halfway point is
like i'm gonna be ambivalent about the literal death of people it's insane yeah there's this
old guy in my neighborhood who walks by our house every once in a while and one time he started yelling
at my wife while she was putting our kids in our car because we have a black lives matter sign on
our house and and then so i was coming home as this was happening and like found out after the
fact i walked down the street he was just like still walking down the street, accosting another young woman.
And when I walked up to him, the degree to which he shut the fuck up and was just like out of there and just did not want any sort of conflict when another white male was involved, presumably his was pretty.
And he still walks by and like won't like look at me when he walks
by like it's just but i don't know man like the when they broke into the capitol building they
went immediately for like nancy pelosi's office and wrote like a c word on her desk and it's just
like they are so mad at women they really really hate women. That's, you know, and whenever someone like ties all this stuff back to Gamergate, I'm like, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, that's that's correct.
Like this is underlying this whole thing is that like women are trying to change us.
And and it's, you know, it's a lot of misogynist energy that comes from it.
And they just kind of disguise
it and other things but uh you know at the core they're just uh people who hate women and want
to yell at someone who they think they are stronger than which is uh peak fascism right
yeah exactly but also like why do you have to put your politics, like, right here on the front lawn of our neighborhood, you know?
Why'd you do that, Jack?
Oh, this isn't a political statement.
This is a philosophical one.
That's what I believe.
Well, you know what?
What I believe is white lives matter.
Okay.
How about that?
Yeah.
You want a box?
Oh, let me not.
Come on.
Come on.
Catch a fair one.
Come on.
Come on.
Do you have a wife?
Do you have a wife I could fight?
I'll fight your wife.
Could you put your wife over here?
Like what?
He wouldn't even say a thing.
Like he was just like stunned silence when a man walked up.
And that's the whole thing.
And I know we're about to talk about this military based story,
but like,
it's,
it's the same way you see them going after like gay and trans kids.
Exactly.
Now.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's who can,
who's a group that we feel is vulnerable that we can just fucking shove
around and not,
and hope that there's minimal blowback for for trying to
completely terrorize these people yeah that's what's happening with all these fucking greg
abbott signed a bill on wednesday or tuesday night um that that was essentially like deputizing
school officials to become like hunters of trans kids and their parents.
Yeah.
You know, and that's their whole sort of, I think, way of affirming their potency or power is to be like, yeah, but see, we can just we can fuck up all these marginalized
people.
It's kind of hard.
Ship set sail on doing that to most Americans.
So we're going to pick at the margins.
You know, it just reminds me of something that I
saw. There was a representative, I think, from Kentucky. You know, he's like the libertarian
one. I forget his name. He's not Rand Paul. But he posted this meme. It's an old, old right-wing
meme with a misattributed Voltaire quote that says like, if you want to know who's
in power, uh, then it's the people who you can't criticize. And it's like this old, like it's a
cartoon of like a big hand crushing, like all these like people. And it's, uh, it's an old
antisemitic meme about the people you're not allowed to criticize are always the people in power and someone else posted a different version of it where the the big hand was children with
leukemia uh and and for me i was like that is the perfect distillation of actually what is going on. Because we live in this society in which we have, I don't know, there's a certain social contract with each other where we're like, it's mean to make fun or to go after small marginalized groups.
That's why we don't do it.
And the thing is, is we have a history of doing that. So in being told you are not allowed to, you know, discriminate against
trans people, you know, you are not allowed to be misogynist, you know, you're not allowed to
be racist towards people. They look at that and they go like, that's how you know they're in power
because I can't go, you know, up to a child with leukemia and slap them in the face.
So like this idea of like going after weaker people is, is, or, you know, people who they perceive as being like, like they perceive them as being in power.
That's the whole thing.
So they look at trans people and they go like oh this is all these are the people who
are really in charge you're like every single marginalized group they think is more important
than them right you know it's like it's this zero-sum game of yes oh if these people are
marginally doing better right i need to be like i i let me check you real quick right let me just
let you know who's actually and like to your point it's almost like this actually know we're in charge. We will tell you when you can have rights. We will dictate to you or we will define what equality is. And it isn't what the fuck you're talking about. So the second you try and take up and pursue liberation on your own terms. No, no, no, no, no. No. Because that excludes us from this dynamic. Exactly. You're excluding us from the decision to give you the rights to give you any power at all.
And and that's so that's what they're being told. They're like, you know, it's it's why white people, you know, are a lot of white people like talk about affirmative action in this way where they're like oh you know they're
getting special rights and and whatnot and not at all looking at it in terms of like the from
historical perspective at all or like from like just a protection like the idea that you would
try to protect people who are marginalized should be a normal thing but instead they look at it as like
a power struggle right and empathy has been weaponized so now it's like well why why why
are these people getting it yeah and i think people need to like really ask themselves is
what is the harm that's done when you make someone's life easier right where's the fucking harm because
that's essentially what all these people who have some kind of you know they're they're using their
energy to advocate for something that's a positive for somebody else that's all this pursuit is in
it's it's just to make things easier to have for to have health care that doesn't bankrupt you is made so your life can be easier.
Yeah. Not begin having your like Geheimstaatspolizei 2.0 looking for trans kids.
Yeah. Isn't like the point of trying to give gender affirming care to kids to make their fucking life easier.
Right. So what the fuck are,
what's the fucking damage?
And that's the thing.
That's the,
that's the,
that's always the thing they have trouble articulating.
And it has to be all these weird straw man arguments or what about isms or
total disinformation.
It's always a secret plot to victimize them for being like,
quote,
normal.
You know,
it's like,
this is what you're doing.
You're victimizing my, my straight cisgendered kid by giving, you know, special consideration or any kind of like.
OK, let's come out a bit.
Do you think that do you think people deserve just dignity in general and they deserve to have, you know, a life that isn't filled with pain?
Not if dignity is a zero sum gameum game or pain you know you know what
i mean and that's all like that's it because you see people you know especially you see evangelical
people who are super close-minded yeah and again can find all these like logic holes to begin to
justify why their their worldview is actually in direct opposition to their you know purported
savior jesus christ yeah
yeah but you know god they're so horny to be the victim and they just fucking want they gotta be
the victim like so yeah of course that's why to me that's why i thought i think more people pulled
up for that trucker shit because it gave them an opportunity to do victim cosplay exactly oppressed
people aren't interested in victimhood cosplay they experience
that shit all the time there's no need to go out there and be like oh my god bring your gas
canisters but also it is clearly a very potent organizing force for that group of people
and i think that's an interesting dimension of it that you know obviously
we're not many people are gonna to be like, what is it?
I mean, people have been analyzing the convoy and this and that and the other, but it's that need to be a victim, too, that I think has a huge role in seeing a lot of the participation because it gives you the opportunity to be able to be like, I was there and they took away my raincoat.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
and they took away my raincoat.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
These are people who have, you know,
they've never protested in solidarity with anyone ever before.
And it's the first time that they've ever encountered
what protests are.
And they're like, wow, you know,
this is some sort of police state.
Yeah.
It's like, oh yeah, no shit. Actually in of police state yeah it's like oh yeah no shit actually in
a police state or at a normal protest the police don't let you take selfies in the backseat of
their car and then right let you out exactly one thing with the um trans kids thing is that i you
know have seen with other parents being like well how know? Like, what if your kid like did that? Like,
hey, you can't trust a thing. Like my kid says they're like a mermaid some days. And just,
I understand that initial impulse. If all you're seeing is a single social media post and trying to
make your decision based on that, do just the smallest amount of fucking reading.
Read an interview with somebody who was trans,
who is trans and whose parents listened to them.
You never hear them say,
I wish my parents hadn't listened to me.
All you hear is them say,
my parents saved my life in listening to me and taking me seriously.
But yeah, that's an initial sort of response that you're from people whose children aren't trans.
And so they haven't dealt with it and don't understand.
It was the same thing with like Prop 8 or like DOMA, you know, like gay marriage.
The first the mouth breather rebuttal was, well, then what next?
Then what next?
Yeah.
What's next?
I don't know, man.
Do you know a guy who's married to a fucking cat?
Yeah.
I love that.
That's what's next.
You love to say that shit.
There's no one at a protest holding up a sign with a poodle and a question mark on it.
It was just like, oh, it's time to fuck animals.
No, that's called bestiality and that's fucked up
yeah nobody's asking for that but you keep mentioning it over and over that's just someone
who wants to that's just someone who really just wants that and doesn't know how to ask for it
like yeah read some of your posts it does seem like a concerted, this is the new frontier that they're fighting is against parents who help their children who are trans.
Yeah.
That's what they've moved on to from gay marriage.
They're like, okay, we lost that one.
Right.
Yeah.
That's right.
They'll keep retreating.
They're like, okay, fuck it.
We can't segregate, like fully bring back Jim Crow.
Then let's go after critical race theory the thing that
even gave people an imagination to understand how complex this white supremacist capitalist
patriarchy is that we live in this country but i think their foothold on the parents of trans
children thing is entirely built on that initial like instinct of parents to be like well my kids right says the wildest shit
so all you have to do is just do it's not a lot of reading it's just a tiny small amount of reading
and you know what's so funny i have i know more people who talk about how they wish their parents
weren't so rigid about gender when they were kids right yeah then i've heard like and more not in
the sense of like oh they were too loose with me i got so confused i didn't know what was going on
it was like no like i fucking didn't want to have long hair and i remember like being so pissed my
parents would let me cut my hair shorter because i was a girl or I looked like a girl is presenting as a girl. And rather than just, you know, the again, the thing that parents just need to understand is just need to love your fucking kids.
Right. That's really what it is. And you're not going to go wrong loving them.
It's one thing to enable something to be enabling, but that's not what we're talking about here. It's about providing an environment of acceptance, love, and support that's consistent enough
that you raise a human being that doesn't go around with a massive black hole in their fucking,
you know, soul and trying to find answers in the most destructive ways.
And to think that, again, that with, with these bills, not just that one, but these don't say
gay bills that are popping up all
over you know being led by florida it's about trying to say that being an empathetic parent
is bad that's what they're trying to push back against is that you could be an understanding
parent and that's i think what all of this backlash around critical race theory or perceived
the perceived idea that it's being taught in schools when it's not is all about trying to fucking just fry out people's empathy circuits.
So they're willing to just stomach anything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, wait, one second.
I want to ask one question.
Becca, you said your friend who lived in New York is now afraid to live in Portland.
You're saying because what's your what was your take on that?
Yeah. So I have I lived in Portland for You're saying because what was your take on that? Yeah. So I have,
I lived in Portland for a couple of years, like almost three. And I moved right at the start of the pandemic to New York City. Crazy, I know. But I still have a lot of friends that live
in the city of Portland. And they have said during their time in Portland, it's been super stressful,
super chaotic. And mind you, these are all primarily like women of color who've like
really built up the community of color in Portland. And they have said that, you know,
one of them of my good friends, she lived in New York for about 10 years. She's from Philly. She went to Howard. So she's like someone who is not
like from a sheltered area.
Yeah, she knows how to navigate.
Yeah, she knows how to navigate situations.
And she's lived in Portland.
I mean, she hasn't left Portland.
And she said it's been really tough.
It's been really scary to be a Black woman
in Portland right now.
And that she has felt more afraid
the past couple years with
everything going on in portland than she ever felt in new york got it okay yeah more that it's become
this venue where like there's openly fascist people just trouncing around and i thought i
thought you were saying that like she's like no Antifa is really bad out here, but more so just how. No, like the other way, like the conflict and shots.
And she's like,
I've been more afraid of shootings in Portland than I was ever in New York
City. Like it's just been super, super bad. I mean,
she went to Howard during nine 11, like, you know,
she's been through it and the past couple years in Portland have been super tough on
her mental like she's just been like I don't know how much longer I can stay in Portland even though
she's built a life there because it's just gotten so bad to just be a person of color in that city
yeah so I don't know and I've seen a lot of my friends leave too in the past couple years as
much as I've had a lot of friends and I made a really strong community of. And I've seen a lot of my friends leave, too, in the past couple of years, as much as I've had a lot of friends. And I made a really strong community of color there.
I've seen a lot of people leave just because it's desolate and scary.
I mean, Robert Evans moved there because he was like, this is where the Civil War is going to pop off if it does.
And like, he's not wrong from a reporting standpoint like this is like the level
of fascism and organized fascism that is happening in portland is something that i want to be there
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Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire made the news a couple of years ago by they were they were like, we're weos i don't know it's a very strange like
their version of what what hollywood is tuxedos and cigars seems to be like what they what they
want to get into the side of hollywood they want to get into but yeah right they saw the aviator
uh and they were you know and they were just like oh this old this whole Samuel Goldwyn and Louis B. Mayer with their top hats and their long cigarettes.
And it's like, I don't think you know what Hollywood looks like.
But anyways, we just got their first movie.
Miles, as you were mentioning, it's not like a homegrown, like Ben Shapiro pitched an idea to a panel of fascists.
This is actually a movie that was in development for a little while at a different studio.
You said Focus?
At first, okay, it was first touted.
It was a blacklist script.
Okay.
That's insane.
Shout out Franklin and Kate who've been on the show.
And, you know, it was also on top of the bloodate who've been on the show and you know it was
also on top of the blood list too i think for like sort of more like horror centric films and then i
remember at first or not i remember i remember from looking at because i was looking up the writer
new line had first bid to get the script and they won and new line cinema was the people who got
the script from this writer melanie toast and jason toasted her by the way yeah happy toast day to you and jason bateman was initially
i think attached to direct this film and then jason bateman yeah jason bateman was going to
direct it and then directed anything a couple episodes ozark okay Yeah. Yeah. But that's how you get your beak wet.
Hey, you got to start somewhere.
Got to start somewhere, Jason Bateman.
Yeah.
First, you become a huge movie star as a child and a TV star.
Then back to movies.
Do a cult comedy and you're back in, baby.
You're back in.
Then, like all Hollywood deals, it did this thing where they didn't do anything during the option period.
So the window closed.
New Line was like, ah, all right, well, I guess we can't do anything with it.
And then that's when one of the producers took it to the Daily Wire to be like, hey, how about this thing?
Much to the chagrin of the writer.
how about this thing much to the chagrin of the writer because they i've gone to melanie toast's twitter page and she hasn't tweeted like i think since it was announced the daily wire was going
to be making the film oh and the she's she liked a tweet recently like in the last week and some
of the recent likes have been things about like sort of commiserating or
being like i feel so bad for anybody who's caught up with this production company who had no fucking
intention of working with these people and now fucking ben shapiro is distributing your film
like and those are the likes i see and i'm like sucks, man. That's like career-ending bad luck.
I know, especially since it was a blacklist script, you know?
Yeah, like, she's for sure on top of the world.
She's just like, I can't believe this.
And then Ben Shapiro gobbles it up.
And you're just like, oh, fuck.
Now I'm aligned with Candace Owens because I made a fucking thriller about a lady stuck in a closet.
I mean, if you saw Daily Wire, they made a fucking escape about a lady stuck in a closet she i mean if you saw
daily wire they made a fucking escape room modeled after like the pantry that the protagonist is
throughout the film yes and candace owens had to escape from it like they did like a who's who
of uh right wing trash commentators to participate in the fucking escape room and i was like oh i hate this kind of
content oh that sucks i feel bad i see i didn't know that backstory about melanie toast yeah first
of all i've just been chortling at her name for a while because toast is a great last name just to
pop up when you don't know what you're seeing especially since the the director is dj caruso
right like a legit director
it's a legit director a good a good director but you know written by melanie toast and directed by
dj caruso just sounds like they just sound like featured rappers on donda right right right yeah
like melanie toast sounds like a sick young yeah like artist absolutely yeah but yeah so this yeah the heated disturbia
and salt triple x return of xander cage okay not the original oh triple x return of yeah yeah
yeah which is still pretty good too you're like okay that's lesser caruso for sure but yeah yeah
how did this hold up because you have have seen it, Matt. Well, I did. Expectations were presumably very high.
Oh, yeah, of course. Well, I was very excited, first of all, to see a movie that was finally going to stick it to Hollywood.
You know, something where they're like, we're not going to do any of this. Like, you know, this is a movie that anyone can enjoy, regardless of political views.
And then, of course, in order to watch the movie, my co-host of the broadcast, he had to sign up to the Daily Wire in order to actually watch it because they wouldn't send out screeners.
And so in order to sign up for the Daily Wire to watch this movie, you have to press the Stand With Us button rather than just subscribe.
So he had to,
it immediately like inundates you
with a bunch of right-wing politics
to even watch the fucking thing.
If you sign up for a year,
which is $140,
because you have to be a subscriber
to watch the film,
you get a free Tumblr that's labeled liberal tears.
Yeah.
You know?
Oh,
fuck yeah.
Ah,
yes.
I love my apolitical movies to come with a free right wing merch.
Right.
Yeah.
So yeah,
the movie is,
I mean,
it's,
it's a garbled mess.
It's one of those movies where,
because just the mere fact that it's aligned with the Daily Wire,
you're kind of like, you're waiting for the politics to come through.
And it really is, it's both political and apolitical at the same time.
Like, none of it makes any sense. There's a
lot of Apple metaphors in this movie in which like, so there's, it's about a woman who is a
single mother and she's taking care of her two kids in her dead mother's house. You know, her,
her mom has died or maybe it was her grandma and the house is in shambles she's an ex-addict she's trying to get
you know trying to stay clean for her kids and there are all these apple trees but they have
all these rotten apples on them so you're like okay a metaphor is happening here but the apple
metaphor is so it's it's just so convoluted that you you end up at the end of the movie not knowing what they're trying to do with this apple metaphor.
It's like it's completely it's just completely convoluted.
She gets locked in a pantry accidentally.
And then it's like a bottle episode movie.
It's like one of those movies that.
Yeah, it's a single location thriller you know like uh
like open water right you know it's just the you know like blood the blood life or the life blood
of like a small studio it's just contained thrillers you got to do a contained thriller
exactly which is which is like that's that's fine but what ends up happening is that her baby daddy, who is still a meth head, locks her into a pantry.
And she proceeds to spend the rest of the movie trying to escape the pantry by digging into the floor rather than through the door that's right in front of her.
floor rather than through the door that's right in front of her and meanwhile she's trying to at the same time protect her children from vincent gallo who plays a pedophile who keeps showing up
trying to presumably have sex with her children and i i do love the idea of like them sticking
it to hollywood by getting vincent gallo to play a hollywood democrat
who is like trying to have sex with children which uh you know that's that's kind of how i
looked at it but um yeah and then it just proceeds to kind of have a religious message where she like
kind of has to believe in jesus in order to get, but it's not like your regular faith-based type movie
because, again, the metaphors are really mixed.
It's like at one point she opens the Bible
and finds that her mother had put a bunch of $100 bills in there.
So it's like, oh, if you had just opened that Bible,
it could have helped you.
And then at the same time, she uses a literal cross to like basically to like dig herself out.
But she also hammers a nail through the pedophile's hand.
It's just very confusing.
Right, right.
At the very end, her meth head husband tries to force her to do meth by gunpoint, which as a drug addict, a clean drug addict of 12 years, you know, no one who's addicted to drugs tries to give other people the drugs.
I know it's for free.
Yeah, that's not it's not a thing that we've ever done ever.
That was my biggest fear when I was a kid.
Right.
I was going to somebody was going to be you take these drugs motherfuckers like when i was in the you know mind
space of like drugs kill like i was like well if they kill the only way that they'd be able to
get me to take them is like by i remember having nightmares where somebody would like put a gun to my head
and then cut my finger and like pour a white powder on the cut and that was like how i got
hooked oh i think you said yeah so that's i i just i love the idea of you just sitting there going
like i gotta prepare someday there's my biggest fear is quicksand quicksand exactly and guy trying to force me to do
his drugs that he paid for yeah bullies all just wanted you to smoke smoke their weed yeah kids and
why are people doing thrillers like that like really seriously taking these like just hair
brained fears like fears and blowing them out like it is like oh my god i love it the gay
marriage thing happened and now bradley is with his hog right and it's eating him alive like you
like oh my god like really play that out really i'm curious it's just like in the movie it and
the book it how you know it likes to transform
into like a children's biggest fear or like people's biggest fear in general but it transforms
into like a mother accepting their uh their trans kid you know where it turns into quicksand or it
turns into like someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do smack someone's like doctor thank you so much it was really touch and go there you were in a coma
well we had to put you into a coma but we've done we've damaged or we've repaired all the damage to
your organs and we feel like you'll have a very normal life after this thank you what do I owe you? Probably millions of dollars. You owe us nothing. Ah!
What the fuck?
The evil clown is at it again, giving people free surgeries.
Free surgeries.
Fuck out of here.
Also interesting to note that Rainy Qualley, who is Margaret Qualley's sister.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And Andy McDowell's daughter.
So the whole McDowell clan, they're just all knockouts.
They're all beautiful.
Yeah. They're the most beautiful women in the world.
Anyways.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Can I be horny on your podcast for a second?
I'm not married yet.
I can be in love with the quali hey
right hey wait what's the matter with like you're one of the qualis hey yeah i like the qualis what
you're gonna do by the way what a career for vincent gallo so for people who aren't familiar
he made a solid indie movie in 1998 called buffalo 66 used that momentum to make a movie called The Brown Bunny, in which he filmed a unsimulated sex scene with Chloe Savinga.
And then not much, but he's now a Republican.
So that's right.
Yeah.
He hasn't directed anything other than shorts since then
shorts i'm gonna put in quotes so he's now a republic because i was wondering i was thinking
of myself like he because i don't know his politics but i could absolutely see see him do
that heel turn where he's just like hollywood is sick i would know i got my dick sucked you know
like that is uh that makes a lot of people and the opening line is vincent gallo likes donald
trump quote a lot and is quote extremely proud he is the american president so you know yeah
i think he just sold he had a trump tower apartment that he just sold wow and if you look
he has fucking like i mean it's more than that Like he has some like wildly anti-Semitic racist shit that he sells on his website.
Wow.
Yeah.
He has like a fucking like shirt that says like whites freed the blacks and shit.
What the fuck?
And then he like, I think there was something I don't know how true it was.
He was offering to sell his sperm, but he wouldn't do it for like black people.
he was offering to sell his sperm but he wouldn't do it for like black people but jewish women were okay because of he's like they will be guaranteed like safe passage through the desert like you
know like saying just implying that jews have like a lot of money so it'll be okay jesus christ
totally no that all makes sense no i mean that's that. That's legit. But then I'm like, so Ben Shapiro, you have this guy in your movie?
Right. Come on now.
Yeah, interesting. Also
he, so my
like every kid has their favorite
like stuffed animal. My
five-year-old's was Oso's little blue
bear. My three-year-old's
is Brown Bunny. Oh, yeah.
I get to think about
Vincent Gallo's non-simulated oral sex scene like four or five times a day.
Well, you know, don't change the name.
Just make your next stuffed animal a buffalo and you can call it Buffalo 66.
Yeah, I'm not in control of the naming of the stuffies, by the way.
Clearly.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, Matt, such a pleasure having you as always.
Where do people find you, follow you, all that good stuff?
You can find me over at Instagram, at MattLeapJokes.
It's a great website.
Check out their app.
I forgot where I heard it.
I heard you're a great follow on there, though.
I'm a great follow.
Yeah, you probably heard that from a lot of really important famous people but also for me
so check that out also uh i do a movie podcast with previous daily zeitgeist as daily zeitgeist
guest that's hard to say zeitgeist daily zeitgeist vince vince mancini uh we do a podcast called the broadcast where we
talk about movies and uh pot yourself a gun where we talk about the sopranos it's the world's only
sopranos podcast right there it is um and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've
been enjoying yes recently i think it was just today actually actually, this tweet came out. And I almost didn't choose it because I figured you guys might have chosen this one.
But it's from a user at Tilda Whirl.
Why are all podcasts two best friends?
I want a podcast that's two sworn enemies.
Just two bitches that absolutely hate each other.
Which I was like, yeah, that would be a other which i was like yeah that's that
would be a good podcast i'd check that out i would love to hear it just like co-workers fighting
it's like i don't know it's like it's kind of a podcast i just kind of let my voice notes
app run wild during our lunch breaks yeah you should it. I'm saying that what you guys should do is just start developing enmity for each other.
Like, true hatred.
We've been working on it for a while.
We have a couple's therapist that's trying to make us despise each other a little bit more.
Yeah, dude.
I like that.
The daily hate geist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I liked somebody pointed out the sub-genre or i guess
like the thing that actually exists of of that is two best friends who hate their listeners oh yeah
which is one of my favorites that's that's me and vince but we do it out of love yeah you were
tagged in that we do call all of our listeners piggies and hogs, but we love pigs and hogs.
They're very intelligent.
They're very intelligent, they're empathetic, and they're loving, and they love their slop.
And let's all be real, we all love slop.
We're all piggies to someone else's trough.
Thank you.
I'm a big piggy for you know narcos mexico great show
i would like more content please the new the new season's good i watched one episode it's so good
it's so good all right it's it's always harder for me to get the momentum going on
a show that's subtitled because then i can't look at my phone i know which i shouldn't be doing anyways just fucking learn spanish bro and then you can look at your phone again no but even if
you learn spanish they still speak real fast yeah i it helps me to like i i did like let me go five
minutes and no subtitles just to try and immerse myself it doesn't work all the time yeah you get you begin
to pick up on things i would say not a proven way to learn any kind of language no yeah it turns out
it's not like uh that that one antonio banderas movie like the 12th warrior or whatever i forget
what the 12th night it was 12 it's 12th night no it's like i forget what it's called but it's like
he's sitting around and everyone's speaking another language.
Oh, yeah.
And the words start turning into like English.
Yeah.
And he learns the language by sitting there.
And I was like, yeah, that doesn't happen.
I've been in French class for three years.
They're talking right at me and pointing to the English words they're saying.
I'm still not connected.
Still don't know what the hell that means.
Miles, where can people find you?
What's a tweet you've been enjoying?
Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Also, the other pod, 420 Day Fiance with Sophie Alexandra.
We talk 90 day.
Check that one out.
Some tweets that I like.
Let's see.
This one is from at AZD, A-Z-I-E-D-E, tweeted, I want more Americans to spend time abroad so that they are more reasonably embarrassed about the state of their society.
We're like the kid at school who doesn't realize they need deodorant yet.
Yeah, just just anywhere. Just get it. Get out a little bit. That perspective will do something to you. And then Kate Doyle, at Doyle Schmoyle.
What up, Kate?
Tweeted, when Tim McGraw does Krav Maga, it's called Krav McGraw.
Wow, that is good.
I love that.
I just see him teaching a class.
All right, y'all.
Do some Krav Maga now.
You can find me on Twitter, Jack underscore O'Brien.
Let's do this one.
Dial H for a guy tweeted, doctor says, treatment is simple.
Johnny Knoxville is in town tonight with his new film, Jackass.
Go and see him.
That should pick you up.
Man bursts into tears, says, but doctor, I am
Johnny Knoxville and this is
Jackass.
That's wonderful.
This is Jackass.
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D'Angelo album Vodoo uh from 2000 absolutely
and look if you haven't heard the album please do yourself a favor and listen to this album
from the start to the end it is fantastic you have people like quest love on drums
you know paladino on bass and it's just a really really great album but this track is sort of like
this was sort of like the
more poppy track that if for me as a hip-hop head got me into the voodoo album and that's the devil's
pie so it was also on the betley soundtrack so we're gonna ride out on devil's pie by d'angelo
yeah you know classic put that one on your brain yeah gotta teach people god if they don't know
they need to know there we go all right All right. Well, go check that out.
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