The Daily Zeitgeist - Federal Pirates, Carole Baskin = Hillary? 4.15.20

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

In episode 609, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Blair Socci to discuss Florida governor declaring wrestling an essential service, the Feds continuing to steal from states, Trump's PR stunt falli...ng short, Michigan governor shutting it down, interesting takes on Tiger King, Disney trying to make us horny for Robin Hood, and more!FOOTNOTES: Florida Governor Expands Pandemic Essential Services to Include Professional Wrestling How a stockpile of 39 million masks was exposed as fake Trump administration has many task forces — but still no plan for beating covid-19 Trump PR Stunt Falls Flat, as White House Video Exposes His Failure to Prepare for Pandemic For Some on the Right, No Rumor Is Too Outlandish About Michigan Gov. Gretcher Whitmer Interesting take on the Tiger King 'Robin Hood' Remake in the Works at Disney+ With 'Blindspotting' Director (Exclusive) Disney Announces Live-Action Robin Hood, Ignoring the Lessons of Cats Disney+ announces live-action Robin Hood reboot that's definitely gonna give kids some thoughts  Will We Still Be Horny for Robin Hood in Disney’s Upcoming Remake? HOW FURRIES BECAME A FANDOM Proof Disney Is Actually Marketing "Zootopia" To Furries WATCH: Aesop Rock - Drums On The Wheel Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:03 Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 129, Episode 3 of Der Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say, officially, off the top, fuck the Koch brothers, fuck Fox News, and fuck the Trump administration. It's Wednesday, April 16th, 2020 2020 my name is jack o'brien aka we aren't having coachella this year under corona quarantine remember me the one who's inside she once was a true love of mine that is courtesy of ben krueger uh to the tune of scarborough fair from uh simon and garfunkel and joe scarborough i believe
Starting point is 00:02:57 uh and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr Mr. Miles Gray! It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Quarthvator, a.k.a. John Luke Pickquart, a.k.a. Quarkquarbix, a.k.a. Rick Dequard, a.k.a. Kara Quarbuck Thrace, a.k.a. The Terminate Quar, a.k.a. Quar2D2, a.k.a. King Quarthur
Starting point is 00:03:20 and the Zites of the Poundtable. Thank you to Chris Yamaguchi Main and Pigbutter at A. Jarrod for that, a.k.a. String. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious,
Starting point is 00:03:36 the talented, the athletic, Blair Sake! Hey, what's up, Zite Gang? It's thrilled to be back through at my parents' house. Just absolutely living over here. I was going to say, that background of yours, are the pictures on the walls behind you your various sports moments from your career?
Starting point is 00:03:59 Is that all family photos? Yeah, it is. It is? Uh-uh. So what do we got on that? what moments we are immortalized on that photo while behind you you know those are some pretty early days like the pictures the hung up pictures in our house stopped at you know once the things moved digital so it's all like there's like nothing after us being 18 but there's a lot of like pictures of when i used to do dance and soccer
Starting point is 00:04:26 and just like mow bitches over oh hell yeah dude in dance you mowed bitches over mostly my brothers all joke because they were forced to go to my recital once a year before i you know retired and they said that like i would just be trying to do like the jazz and there would be like a little hop and I would just like, like leap out of the gym. Yeah. And I have to imagine if this were a Disney movie, like the volleyball coach would have been at your dance recital.
Starting point is 00:05:02 And as your dance coach is like, Jesus Christ, Saki, we can't get her to do the dances with the other kids. A volleyball coach is like, hey, kid, want to come over to the winning side? I think I quit when I was 10. My mom was like, I just think you have other gifts. You seem to have some other gifts, maybe a different body type than a ballerina how are you doing how is the quarantine treating you i'll tell you what great to be talking to some old friends right now things getting pretty weird in my brain over here um yeah i don't remember what the outside world was like i miss a lot of things i feel like i'm going slowly descending
Starting point is 00:05:48 from like a captor like doesn't remember what old life was like oh wow wow yeah how about you guys i mean i think we're it's like anything you know you're up you're down you're up you're down yeah uh but for them i i'm definitely like starting to deal with the reality better for sure like now that we're much deeper into it the first two weeks were fucking brutal for me really god i was like fucking sailing the first two weeks and now i'm like oh i'm on a ship that's never fucking landing out to sea for too long yeah um yeah i'm starting to get to that point where the days are so similar that it's the time is moving a little bit i don't know if it's that like experientially the time is moving faster or it's my old job i would always like park in the same
Starting point is 00:06:41 parking garage and at a certain point like after a year i couldn't remember where i parked my car because it just that morning's parking experience faded in with like all the hundreds of other parking experiences and i feel like that's happening with my days now where it's like all the days are so similar that it's just this like sea of identical days. And I can't tell if like time is moving faster or if like my memory of time is just less easy to distinguish, but I'm still, still pretty miserable. Not going to lie.
Starting point is 00:07:18 Yeah, I know. Sometimes I've cried a few times just like out of frustration, like a toddler. And then I'm like, and then I get on myself. Cause I'm like, Oh, Sometimes I've cried a few times just out of frustration like a toddler. And then I get on myself because I'm like, oh, I have it so much better. I'm healthy. My parents are healthy.
Starting point is 00:07:35 There's so many people going through so much worse. And so then I'm like, lock it up, Saki. And then I try to wipe my tears and stop being a pussy. Lock it up, Saki. Lock it up um all right well we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we are going to tell our listeners what we're talking about today uh continuing to check in with the state of leadership in our great nation during the crisis, the COVID crisis. We got Ron DeSantis. We got the feds stealing masks and other PPE from the states.
Starting point is 00:08:16 We've got Trump continuing his, just really morphing those daily check-ins with his campaign rallies. And it's getting weird. It's getting very, I don't know. So I was listening to a health professional talk about what this would be like in any other. I think it was somebody who works for uh the the company or the uh
Starting point is 00:08:46 organization that is that's basically keeping tabs on on how many people are dying how many people are testing positive and they were like this is like we thought we were doing this at first just for like a week and then the federal government was going to take over uh and then the federal government was going to take over. And then the federal government never got its shit together, so we're continuing to just be a makeshift gap filler for this entire fucking thing. Anyways, we're going to check in with just how Trump, how he's doing, because on Monday he had a wild one. We're going to look at Gretchen Whitmer,
Starting point is 00:09:27 who is this conservative news cycle's most hated woman. We're going to look at a take on Tiger King as a metaphor for the 2016 election. We're going to look at some quarantine activities. We're going to look at a dumb fuck who fell on a knife sculpture. quarantine activities we're gonna look at a dumb fuck who fell on a knife sculpture we're gonna look at disney's next cartoon to live action remake uh which is a movie that i had not fully embraced the uh significance of prior to this story but jm mcnab uh has has told me that robin Hood is apparently more significant.
Starting point is 00:10:06 The Robin Hood fox cartoon is like where Robin Hood is a fox, is more sexually significant to people than I had realized. So we're going to talk about that. The sexual significance of Disney's Robin Hood cartoon from the 70s. But first, Blair, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh, my last, I looked at my Google to see what my last search was, and it was Reese Witherspoon, DUI. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:39 That's one of our great moments as a culture, I feel like, because it was just like a little crack into it. What was just like a little crack into... When was it behind the scenes? Well, I was thinking about it. I was like, she really survived that one so well. I mean, little to no fallout for her. Yeah. Wait, when did that happen?
Starting point is 00:10:56 But I found that during core, like random pop culture moments from the past have been like seeping into my brain. I don't know. Trying to hold on to something. Let's see. Reese Witherspoon. When did she get the DUI?
Starting point is 00:11:09 Okay. I thought no one heard me. I'm out here screaming by myself in the corner. Yeah. DUI happened in 2013. I was going to guess 2011. Is that the time she was talking shit to the officer? Talking wild shit to the officer? Wild shit to the officer.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Well, shows you the strength of whiteness in America. She went on Good Morning America the next morning, though, and said, I'm an idiot, whatever. And they even forgave her DUI. Yeah. Yeah. The judge was like, wow, I didn't think you'd say that. Let's just throw the whole case out there.
Starting point is 00:11:48 It's not fair. She actually managed to turn it on the people who were disappointed by her behavior. She said, I think it was the moment where people realized I wasn't exactly what they thought I was. I guess maybe we all like to define people by the way the media presents them. And I think that I showed I have a complexity that people didn't know about.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Hell yeah. That's what I didn't say. Anytime I do something horrible. Hell yeah. But like using that very kind description to describe a drunk driving as a complexity. A complexity. I like to drive drunk sometimes. I'm a complex figure, man. I'm just like you. No, no, no, just reckless, and you have no regard for yourself or other people. Actually, that's not complex.
Starting point is 00:12:35 You're lucky you didn't kill an innocent person. What the fuck are you talking about? That's just one of my quirks, you know? I'm quirky. Oh, give it up for all the quirkies out there i see you thank god zoe de chanel wasn't driving around blasted blackout and being like i don't know i'm quirky what do you do she has 60 pounds of blow in her car just so many illegal automatic weapons i swallowed how many pellets of heroin you're saying?
Starting point is 00:13:06 I don't know. Squirky. Yeah. I'm dynamic. You don't see that in 500 days of summer, do you? Yeah. I think that's on you. Don't believe the media crafted messages.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And by I contain multitudes, I contain multitudes of balloons of heroin, which I swallowed to use later. Blair, what is... I'm a geek. That was the best when people were like, I'm just a geek. I'm just a geek.
Starting point is 00:13:33 And it's just like a model in black frame glasses. Yeah. Wasn't that a Portlandia sketch? It's like, I'm just a nerd. And then the real nerds come out and it's like a guy with a beard with steampunk goggles on and he's like, no, I'm just a nerd. And then like the real nerds come out and it's like a guy with a beard with steampunk goggles on.
Starting point is 00:13:45 And he's like, no, I'm an actual nerd. And what you saw there is not an amazing little sketch. What is something you think is underrated? All right. Something that's underrated, my dad's farts. I want to give a shout out to my dad's farts, which I have demonized for a lifetime along with the rest of my family. But now that I've been captured in quarantine and have no way to leave, I have come to love them and even embrace them as my only friends. I started naming them.
Starting point is 00:14:16 It's kind of like the movie The Room. I thought my captor was my enemy, but now i know um they really care about me and um also in addition to my dad's farts i also think del taco um crinkle cut fries are underrated wow okay you ever go bold any any relation there just in terms of your dad's farts and del taco crinkle cut fries no no relation absolutely none no th Thai connection at all. My dad keeps a pretty clean diet and I just crinkle cut fries just kind of popped into my head as like a tie to the old world. Life beyond the walls is your dad's farts. Now, let's unpack this a little bit. What exactly are you in awe of?
Starting point is 00:15:06 Just how pungent and freaking nasty and what a punch they pack i mean they can take down a whole room and there's a lot of power in that from your instagram post your dad seems like a sweet guy would not have taken it for him for someone who's doing like just you know like crimes against humanity level farts really because i think the instagram says otherwise he really likes to mess with me a lot um one of his favorite things to do is anytime like um we watched 1917 and after his he said uh and that's why men get paid more than women. He just likes to mess with me constantly. Wow. Yeah. What part of 1917 made him say that's why men get paid more than women?
Starting point is 00:15:54 I guess that man's harrowing journey of bravery that involved a lot of physical danger. And he thought that he would capitalize on that to really try and upset me. Just to troll his own daughter. Yeah, it's peer trolling. You should forward him a history of the diplomatic breakdown that led to World War I and be like, hey, here's some other great work by men. Yeah, I knew you guys would really come through with some actual hard-hitting evidence that I could throw back at him. Wait, and also one thing that kind of leaped out at me.
Starting point is 00:16:29 I have two questions. Are you his only daughter? Yes. Okay, so he loves to fuck with you because of that, I'm sure. Yeah, and the youngest. You also said whenever we watch 1917. So are you watching multiple times a week or what if we were watching 1917 you're like yeah guys i'm gonna go recording in a bit man i gotta get to the gotta get to
Starting point is 00:16:55 the living room to catch 1917 with my dad to the to the daily screening no um acting alongside the tv with it you're like i know we only watched it once we're actually in the middle of the bad boys trilogy that my dad that my mom requested the middle of the bad boys trilogy a multi-night wait so you're part way through bad boys 2 you guys are taking it in chapters sunday night was my mom's birthday and she wanted to start the trilogy so we could work our way up to the new family so we watched the 1995 bad boys and then the next night we watched from 2003 nice how does that movie hold up really good i think they're an incredible unbeatable combo and that's why they keep coming back yeah you can't teach charisma like those two guys have like that that just you can watch them
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Starting point is 00:18:22 Overrated? Okay. Roasted red peppers. You think you pack a wild punch of unique flavor why don't i just put some nasty ass salamanders on my salami sandwich because your slimy asses make me want to puke you slippery amphibian acids covered in oil trying to make my stomach do backflips so I'm stuck doing diarrhea in my childhood home. I really,
Starting point is 00:18:47 I, I fully identify with this. It's like they're little like red pepper flavored burp pills. They're just like, here's a, here's a taste that you don't, you're not going to enjoy that. We are going to make you continue to like produce into your own mouth i don't like them the cost is greater than the reward oh yeah yeah it's something
Starting point is 00:19:15 it's you're talking about like the ones that are preserved right that come in the jar with oil versus like no i'm talking fresh baby i don't even like them fresh i'm not fucking with the fresh roasted they're still slimy as hell interesting because whenever like i've had it like you know like at a like an italian sandwich shop and they'll use like the preserved ones like the like super oily roasted red peppers and like a sandwich or something was like i don't know like it's mostly providing a texture more than like a flavor that i need I don't know. Like it's mostly providing a texture more than like a flavor that I need.
Starting point is 00:19:45 Yeah. You hate to see it. You hate to hear about it. It's just a fact. Especially with such a scathing takedown that you prepared. I really, I didn't know how to even come into that conversation with a counterpoint that would not have just got me evaluated and vaporized. I've been spending a lot of time alone.
Starting point is 00:20:03 You know what would have been amazing is if you did have a prepared rebuttal. I would have blown Blair's fucking mind. Well, actually, I thought you might take Blair. In defense of the noble roasted red pepper by Miles Gray.
Starting point is 00:20:22 Fuck a roasted red pepper. Finally, what is the myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? Okay, I came on here to bust and annihilate the myth that drinking two to five glasses of wine a night is bad, but really I heard that you actually have to do it unless you want to get COVID. Those are the only two options, two to five glasses or COVID.
Starting point is 00:20:42 I am not a big drinker in my regular life and so i'm just glad to know that i can always look back on this time with love and joy as like the genesis of a drinking problem and also that old wives tale about having a beer gut honey you can get it from wine too and it's fabulous we're about to move into this baroque age where round bellies signify opulence and health. I like the idea of a, like, what would you call a wine gut? I think there needs to be something more elegant than like a wine gut. A boda? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:14 I'll look in the mirror and brainstorm. A little grape jelly? Oh, holy shit. I'm working out hard and it's like going backwards. What kind of wine are you drinking? Oh, a mix. You know, I'm at Holly and Rob's, so there's a few nicer labels than I would normally be interacting with.
Starting point is 00:21:32 But last night it was Decoy, which is a Duck Orange cheaper label. Okay. Yeah. I'm getting what I'm going to refer to as candy neck, where I get fat on my neck because I'm eating so much candy. What kind of candy? Oh, wow. Getting Cangells? Eating a lot of Reese's Cups,
Starting point is 00:21:54 a lot of those hanging around the house from Easter. Right. It's also, I might have always had candy neck, and I just am now seeing myself in a lot of low-angle Zoom meetings. And so I'm just noticing it more than ever before. But one way or another, I'm going to blame it on the Reese's company. Yeah, I'm trying to become friends with my Zoom double chin. Like, everyone should just let me have a double chin in the Zoom.
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Starting point is 00:27:04 is a good way to describe it yeah he's uh i mean like we talked yesterday about him you know many people being the mayor of jaws the mayor from jaws and ron desantis again wanted to keep that beach open during spring break and there was like a frightening map of like the distribution of people who had visited daytona beach during spring break and then where they all ended up settling after spring break uh but recently um he's been making more news of what he's considering like essential work um so last week there was like a little i first heard about this thing about him deeming wrestling as essential but now we're starting actually a little more reporting on what that means and he is essentially saying that the wwe uh professional wrestling is an essential business
Starting point is 00:27:52 and therefore should be open so they can perform for people in this time and they're saying like everyone from the production staff to the athletes wrestlers whatever are considered essential and he said that basically uh they will be permitted to operate quote because they are critical to florida's economy uh and the governor then basically was granting this exemption i think for a couple reasons uh vince mcmahon you know very famously had to pull the plug on the xfl uh last week where like they had to just eat all of that money they spent and they're like it's over it's done and no everyone's fired sorry we don't have any plans to reboot it this was basically a complete fireball um and so they were hurting for money
Starting point is 00:28:35 so I'm sure being able to have WWE going on will help McMahon you know save some money as well and make some but then also like Linda McMahon who's his wife who served for like in the president's cabinet um and also runs like a super pack like they they committed like something like 18 million dollars of spend in the state of florida for trump's re-election so there's just like it's just the slimiest shit uh and so because of that the wwe can you know perform or compete however you look at it uh just sort of in audience-less arenas or their one audience-less arena that they have in orlando and did anybody watch the like didn't they do wrestlemania and it was really strange like i saw a screen cap of it and it was just like people wrestling in a black box basically basically. I mean, I know it happened, and I wasn't sure if the things when people said,
Starting point is 00:29:27 it was amazing, was comedians I follow who watch wrestling who were saying it was absolute dog shit, but I don't know. I mean, I haven't watched a WrestleMania in 15 years, probably. Yeah, I haven't watched a WrestleMania in three years since I had a wrestling-obsessed boyfriend, so I'm thankful to God for pulling me out of that. Oh, hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:47 I mean, yeah, what were you... Last one you caught maybe was WrestleMania 14 when Mike Tyson was in that main event? I think 2016, not proud to admit that, but yeah. Oh, okay, so pretty recent. All right. Wait, is WrestleMania that recent that it's only in the teens right now?
Starting point is 00:30:04 No, no, no, no, no. WrestleMania 14 was in 1998. That was at the height of when I was watching wrestling and Mike Tyson was in that. Oh, got it, got it, got it, got it. Yeah, come on, baby. You know what I mean? So in terms of how the federal government is operating, rather than sort of helping oversee states and lead the states, it's more of a competition type thing going on.
Starting point is 00:30:30 They're more treating it like it's a doorbuster sale where everybody's just bursting through the door at the beginning to try and get amazing savings, and the federal government is just knocking people down and taking their boxes of stuff. A Black Friday sale would imply that there's some fairness where there's at least like a line where if you camped out earlier than other people, you may have access before others, or if it's like a true door buster, you could all line up at the door shoulder to shoulder and then
Starting point is 00:31:00 harm your fellow human in pursuit of a 40-inch flat screen. But with this situation- The purest form of capitalism. Yeah. When we're talking about PPE and ventilators and other necessary medical equipment, the feds are actually doing one step further because they're basically trying, figuring out what states are ordering ahead of time and seizing the shipments before they get to the states. Oh my God. like straight piracy so
Starting point is 00:31:26 there was a story that was in the la times recently about how there was like this uh this guy had found you know the like the seiu or one of these unions had found 39 million masks uh for like protective masks for frontline health care workers and it ended up being a total scam and like the fbi like figured out it was a scam. And when they were asking the FBI, like, oh, how did you know about this? They're like, oh, we were actually looking, you know, at the possibility of seizing those masks for FEMA. So the only reason they caught on is because they were looking to just,
Starting point is 00:31:59 you know, step in and seize these things. So it's been a like, you you know it's happened in many states like people from colorado massachusetts new jersey kentucky texas florida are all saying like very similar things where they're kind of keeping an eye trying to seize them there's been talks of some uh governors like having their police like greet the shipments in so the feds it's getting fucking it's just getting oh my god this is like hunger games is that what happened hunger games yeah they have to get the supplies and or die this is that's freaking crazy well i mean horrible story and this was like the whole thing too where trump was saying like you know get your own shit you know we got we got our things
Starting point is 00:32:41 but you need to get your own but then on top of of that, it's just like, well, then I'm also going to steal what you needed to get to keep your people safe and then play favorites with how I'm distributing PPE and equipment and things like that. On the one hand, in theory, if you had a federal government that was doing a good job, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have somebody overseeing the whole thing and being like okay west virginia needs more masks than california so we're gonna grab like 10 of
Starting point is 00:33:14 the masks being sent to california move them over to west virginia like coordinating the whole thing we just don't have any indication that the trump administration or you know the just the overall task force that's been uh handling this shit is doing anything i mean other than completely fucking everything up they were absolutely just caught off guard they were blindsided by this pandemic you know and they had no warning obama left trump with empty cupboards as he said i looked in there the cupboards were empty they were empty like get the fuck out and like again just trying to find excuses it's to the point now we're like california oregon and washington have created their own mini subset of the united states or like we can't rely on this fucking guy so between the three of our
Starting point is 00:34:03 states let's figure out how the fuck we can get our economies going again and figure out how we can help each other. The same is happening with like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island. Like these states are like breaking off into their own little mini unions to be like, we can't rely on our own federal government. So now we're going to have to like form our own collective support system. Yeah. So in addition to talking to have to form our own collective support system. basically campaign rallies and he made the biggest move towards that on Monday by airing what is essentially a campaign video slash propaganda film
Starting point is 00:34:52 that was all just making it seem as though he was on this shit from day one. He aired a video like a substitute teacher? Yeah. He's like, during a fucking pandemic? And he was literally he was literally uh like smugly like pointing his thumb toward the video like during the video like see like he was actually doing that but
Starting point is 00:35:18 uh it was to the point where like msnbc and cnn pulled the plug in the middle of like no get this shit they're like that's yeah. It was funded by taxpayer dollars because it was put together by the white house, uh, staff. And it was just a bunch of highly curated clips of him saying things, uh,
Starting point is 00:35:38 that made it sound like he was the only one taking this seriously, finding like a couple experts who had been on cbs or cnn and saying that it wasn't as big a deal as people were making it um included a clip of hannity seeming to take it seriously even though we had a clip of hannity much later being like maybe it is a hoax to uh get back at the trump administration. We had him saying that in March. But he's so all over the map that you can find a clip of him saying the right thing. It's just that for every one of the clips of him saying the right things, there are 20 where he's calling it a hoax or fucking up the messaging.
Starting point is 00:36:23 where he's calling it a hoax or fucking up the messaging. And it just skips over the small detail that, you know, someone who is saying multiple different things and moving the country in multiple different directions, some of them incredibly damaging and misleading, is failing at the job of leadership. That's like the opposite of leadership. That's confusing and dividing and divisive. Yeah, he's like the anti-soothing.
Starting point is 00:36:51 Like seeing him on TV, you're like, oh, I am in worse shit than I thought I was every day. Yeah, he's like the lemon and salt mixture to rub into your wounds. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Apparently this came about because he was so pissed about the very thoroughly reported stories
Starting point is 00:37:10 from the New York Times that came out and other places that came out showing he had done a terrible job and that there were these six weeks in between when he did the travel ban on China and when he actually started doing things to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Starting point is 00:37:28 And like they, he, you know, there, there were health officials that the official like health task force was like, we need to start practicing social distancing. And he took six more weeks to take that uh under advisement um oh my god
Starting point is 00:37:48 and yeah it was just it and that is there's evidence of that in the campaign video like that's reflected in his highlight reel so you know after he showed it reporters were like uh well okay that doesn't discount like literally any of the things that the articles talked about um yeah he just flipped out and was like we got lots of evidence uh you're a disgrace he called one of the women a disgrace it's par for the course and i think even now there since that you you know, they tried to blame the World Health Organization and that wasn't catching on too much. Now they're doing the whole idea of the models. The models were wrong. Like Laura Ingraham was like, you should be upset.
Starting point is 00:38:35 The models were so off that we went into this panic and are hurting our economy because the models were wrong. It's like, no, the models weren't wrong. The models are there to show you what the potential danger is if we do not act in an appropriate way. So rather than saying the models are wrong, it's like, no, we're actually doing a good job of minimizing how much of a catastrophe, the degree of catastrophe this is going to be. Right. I mean, but we may open the economy on May 1st now because that's the new date, I think, Trump was saying at his rally or briefing, rather, on Monday. You know, like, that's the new date.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Yeah, that seems to be the new target. Do you think that's true? I think it's true that he wants that. I think it's true that he wants that. No, no, but do you think, what is the likelihood of that happening, do you think? Not one of his experts, like Fauci or Birx, was even close to committing to that date. Because they are now, they're starting to master the art of when the press asks them a question that could, you know, render an answer that's diametrically opposed to what the president says.
Starting point is 00:39:41 That they're able to just, you know fauci didn't really say oh yeah that's gonna happen but he didn't also he didn't also say like oh yeah we're good with that data it's mostly like you know it's possible um but you know it would be very incremental if it happened then it would be very incremental not saying like what a nightmare job to try to like oh yeah explain truth to the public while weaving in and out of his... Are you guys watching those briefings every day? No. I can't do it.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I caught the... I'll catch a few of them because sometimes other people start texting me and they're like, uh-oh, he's on one today. And I'm like, all right, let me see for a few minutes. And then I'm like, don't broadcast this bullshit.
Starting point is 00:40:22 It's just so fucking toxic and harmful yeah yeah it hurts my heart to watch it so i just i've chosen not to because it's just disinformation and self-serving shit yeah and it's harmful to a lot of vulnerable people right the may 1st date uh speaking of harmful to vulnerable people uh has now started this feud between trump and the states that uh people you know the the front page of drudge for 24 hours was like a drawing from the civil war and was like this is the new civil war because it's the federal government versus states rights and uh first of all that's not what the civil war was but second of all it's i don't know it's like putting trump on the side of the union which is not not i think an accurate position but in terms of like it just seems like
Starting point is 00:41:21 the states are their states like i think think Los Angeles has pushed back its social distancing well into May, hasn't it? Yeah, we're at least May 15th, which I feel will be extended. And schools, I think, pretty much done, right? Yeah, schools done. Don't expect to go to a school this year, or at least in this school year. don't expect to go to a school this year or at least in this school year and trump has responded to that by and other states uh putting dates like that into effect by saying i'm the decider i'm the one who makes the choice and i he literally said the federal government has absolute power to do that uh he used the phrase absolute power total no total authority i think was the
Starting point is 00:42:06 other one too he's like when you're the president you have total authority he's using everything he's using every word basically to say like i'm gonna i want to cosplay as an authoritarian dictator yeah there's a word war of words with him and cuomo where cuomo's like we don't have a king because we don't that's what the revolution whatever fuck history it doesn't matter it's irrelevant because we don't learn from it but i think even when looking at just the how even people in the right on the right are taking that comment like when ben shapiro will quote tweet trump and he's like nah this ain't it bro like that's when you know like what the like it there's it's funny to see sometimes when some right-wing pundits have their limits
Starting point is 00:42:49 or they're so horny for the Constitution where they had to get to that point where it's like, I use the Constitution to argue all these other things and now he's threatening it from another place. No, I'm going to have to, I'm actually the president on this one. Right. Yeah, that's... There's maybe president on this one. Right. Yeah. There's maybe some trouble in paradise.
Starting point is 00:43:08 We'll see. Yeah, paradise. A little bit of trouble. I'm suddenly hearing a lot from the right about Gretchen Whitmer. What's going on with the governor of Michigan? I mean, look, there's a recipe to uh you know being in the firing line of conservative media and punditry and it's typically you're a liberal progressive or you're a democrat whatever you're on the left some at some point you're on the you're not you're not red uh and you have an opinion that goes against trump uh you get double the hate if you're a woman and triple the hate if you're a woman of color
Starting point is 00:43:46 or not cishet woman or whatever. So those are the modifiers at stake with how the conservative punditry machine works. Gretchen Whitmer is a Democrat woman who's going against Trump. So now she's cemented her place on being the lightning fraud for a lot of bullshit from Twitter and beyond. As Michigan's governor, she's really tried to do what she can
Starting point is 00:44:13 because her state's really hard hit by the virus and enacting really tough shelter at home orders and things like that. And the pattern is kind of the same. We've seen it from state to state. and things like that. And the pattern is kind of the same. We've seen it from state to state. Governor issues a shelter in place order. Business minded conservatives begin to piss and moan and act like money is actually sweeter than their own fucking lives. And then they're not the ones who have to go to work. Exactly. Then the fighting begins. And so one of the first ones was this conservative columnist, this guy, Andrew Malcolm, tweeted an image of like Whitmer, where she was signing a bill. And the text was saying that was saying that's like oh she just signed this executive order where that's going to give people a thousand dollar fines for for not being six feet apart but
Starting point is 00:44:54 it was utter bullshit like it was an old photo and ted cruz even retweeted it and he like counted the people in the photos like i see eleven thousand dollars in fines there and whitmer was like so calmly like oh thank, thank you so much. Like, I know you're probably not trying to spread misinformation because this is a photo from January 2019. And, you know, as a senator, I know like she was just very like polite and completely destroyed Ted Cruz to the point where he had to delete the tweet and act like nothing happened.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Yeah. Meghan McCain is, you know, had another image like that she posted of another image that another like right-wing person had posted basically saying that like gretchen whitmer was keeping people from buying car seats during the shelter in place warning and then even on gateway pundit they're you know very into conspiracies they accused her of banning the sale of american flags like it's just like she's just becoming she's become this lightning rod for all this shit where she's like she's talking shit about the president and trying to do so it's uh an all too familiar theme we see yeah especially because the president's getting owned by Cuomo and they've got to keep him,
Starting point is 00:46:06 because Cuomo doesn't immediately trigger their act, a woman trying to be powerful response. They need to transfer all the attention onto her so that people just have a a uh this role response but yeah that's unbelievable that they are at the point of saying that she's banning the sale of car seats and american flags yeah that's all you can do to try and like fucking smear somebody who's like you know trying to do what they can to keep their citizens safe and it's even did you go on a side note did you see that interview with chris cuomo where he was like i'm done with this punditry shit no dude he gave
Starting point is 00:46:51 this interview where he was essentially saying like i'm like i don't like what i do he's like being hit with coronavirus has like made me really like take stock of like what i'm doing and i i don't i don't like i just don't like this like it's too partisan ultimately it boiled down to him saying like he doesn't like that when people talk shit to him he can't talk shit back because that makes sense that's like that's got to be a brutal position because he can't say the truth about anything. He's imprisoned by his own job that he chooses. Yeah. A lot of the things he was pointing to was even during this lockdown,
Starting point is 00:47:36 someone had some shit to say to him because of his brother. And he's like, I wanted to kick the guy's ass. And we've seen that Chris Cuomo energy when that dude called him fredo last year or two years ago or seven years ago uh yeah he's got a bit of a temper if someone says something mean to me like i can really keep it straight but if someone said something mean about my brother i'd want to kill him wait blair sake as a proud italian american do you think fredo is a racial slur i don't actually know i think so i don't it's really weird you know because i pass as a very extremely blonde woman so no one knows i'm italian so i don't know if I always get to be included in everything. Oh, wow. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know how much you use the lore of the Godfather films to sort of set your boundaries. It's kind of what drives me. Yeah, that's what the Cuomos do. That's what I get fully from Blair. There's one thing.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Yeah. She studies, she studies the Godfather. She's a student of Mario Puzo's. I know how to live my life. It's a family thing. It's a family thing. All right.
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Starting point is 00:52:59 Listen to Dream Sequence on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And it's time to talk about some less important stuff. There was a tweet that, who shared it with me? Chad Freeman, one of the Zeitgang listeners, shared this interpretation of the Tiger King I wanted to get you guys' opinion on. The Bill Braske tweeted,
Starting point is 00:53:32 this series did really well in America because it's basically a tigered up version of Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump. On one hand, you have the somewhat unlikable lady who is more qualified, means well, but has a past she regrets parts of and has since reformed this is coupled with an entire population of wackos making up conspiracy theories about her and spinning them into implausible tall tales of murder somehow the bar for bad or suspicious
Starting point is 00:53:59 behavior is lower for her compared to him and the other person is a wildly unqualified, though somewhat charismatic to certain people, cult of personality meme subject with a history of sexual predation, violence, racism, and idiocy. He's in it for the money, and that's about it. He's got country music in his corner in a habit of stiffing workers. Oh, in habit of stiffing workers and not paying them a fair wage. Facebook loves him while Reddit comment sections eviscerate him. He deserves to be in jail. I think that's a pretty good read. I just disagree with, first of all, the idea that Hillary Clinton is totally...
Starting point is 00:54:44 Anybody who has theories that she's bad is a wacko and same with Carole Baskin I just think it's a little bit uh forgiving of Carole Baskin and Hillary Clinton but otherwise I think it's pretty accurate I think if you just assume that there's no good guy in either the 2016 election or Tiger King, there's just a less bad, bad guy. I think that's pretty accurate. I mean, I think the comparisons of Joe Exotic to Trump are spot on. Carol Baskin, I think, yeah, if you zoom out, there are some of those parallels. But yeah, that's these are the thoughts i think i've i would never have this level of analysis like with anything i'm watching
Starting point is 00:55:31 right now like i've i've completely lost my analytical mind for certain things aside from like my reaction to it so i actually think everyone was really good in tiger king um it is funny i said i actually think a lot of good guys in tiger king um a lot of good guys yeah yeah no but it is funny that series like when you first watching it because like i had seen all this stuff on the internet and then they're like it's about i don't want to watch it because it's about tiger abuse and then i watch it and there was literally barely anything about the tigers and the entire thing. And also they don't even like tell you like it's funny because in the beginning in the first couple episodes, they don't even tell you like who's bad.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Like they didn't even do the Carol Baskin reveal to like halfway through. Like she's I she seemed like the saint in the beginning. And then you're like, is a full-on murderer something everyone's got darkness that's the thing it's like we're just looking at a like a 20-sided die from dungeons and dragons or something it's all kind of the same thing it just depends on what angle you're catching it at like you know you either have a guy who's like has a like his polygamous like sex cult in doc and or like everyone's got their same cult of personality powers they're just flexing in different ways and it's i don't know i mean i i come away watching that being like yo this whole fucking this whole world is completely fucked up. Scary, scary, scary. I was like, I didn't even know there were freaking Tiger Lord Colts. I know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:09 Until quarantine. The lore of the tiger is no fucking joke, apparently. And I did not know that. I actually want to fuck around and find out. Yeah, I do do too kind of what the power is because you know if it's it's amazing what these people are getting like what they're getting out of people by simply having like a tiger cub nearby it's like yeah dude i can some people like i can travel the world and never pay for shit other people like i have an army of volunteer quote-unquote employees uh or
Starting point is 00:57:43 other people i was like i you know i turned these straight dudes out with some meth and tiger cups like yeah and they're like they make 50 cents and they make 50 cents a day and all they have to do is have sex with me the power of i've never seen a tiger cup uh and maybe i it's like one of those things where it's like drugs or like you know honestly the first time you try it it could be bad news depending on how you're wired. Right. You might like it too much. At which point you're just like in a cult for the rest of your life.
Starting point is 00:58:12 A lot of tiger addicts out there. Who knew? Is there an animal? Any of you have been really fascinated with like in your life that you think maybe subconsciously like interacting very closely with it could not necessarily like you'd go down this path, but would have some kind of effect on you no um great white sharks i was pretty obsessed with for a while and i would be uh i don't i don't think there's a way for me to like interact with them where i would be like ah we like i was like i have a healthy fear of them would you ever do that swim with the sharks thing Jack?
Starting point is 00:58:48 yeah I would totally do that dude you're wild what on earth there's a VR game that's like a fucking shark descending thing I know it's on Playstation you might think twice about that shit and then when you're at the depth and the shark is coming in that's when the ayahuasca hits then it seamlessly turns the ayahuasca app for sure yeah i think that's apparently a thing
Starting point is 00:59:15 we learned from the michael swam episode where they recreate in vr ayahuasca trips i just like how you're saying like yeah great whites and in my mind my immediately immediate thought is you and some joe exotic character holding a baby great white shark and i'm like yeah that's what happened to jack you got near them baby great whites baby great whites man just gonna love on these little baby sharks yeah the other thing about that theory is that it says that like she's completely reformed, but I don't feel like Carol, like what Carol does with the tigers doesn't seem all that much better to me. What, like what,
Starting point is 00:59:52 what is she doing? That's so much better. I did not see the distinguishing things that she was talking about at all. It looked exactly the same to me. I think they probably do have a better level of care because the fact that there are so many volunteers that like actually care about the like versus like at joe's park it was like fucking throwing food off the walmart meat wagon adam and like just like not really i mean i'm sure they did care for the animals but i think just by having that
Starting point is 01:00:22 the volume of staff maybe helps if i'm trying trying to be as objective about it as possible. But at the same time, the fact remains it's like they're confined and they're not in their natural habitat. And you can use the context of calling it like a refuge or whatever, but I'm sure there are other people who are like, hmm. I would say the central- But people were still paying to see them, right? but i'm sure there are other people were like i would say people were still paying to see them right so in theory it was the exact same thing and she kept saying about how they're in captivity and obviously joe exotic is a piece of shit i would be scared to see anything he did behind closed doors but like i don't know it did not seem that much different for like her whole spiel of like how she brands herself yeah i would say the central lie of the series
Starting point is 01:01:07 uh in like the documentary filmmakers like major bias was to remove the fact that joe exotic is like a fucking monster because like whether it's like the stuff about him all the details that were revealed from the person who spent a bunch of time doing a podcast and like researching Joe Exotic, it was like that Joe Exotic burns down people's houses like for a hobby. Like if anybody like just criticizes him,
Starting point is 01:01:36 they'll burn down your fucking house. That he didn't actually sing those songs, which was like a humanizing aspect of it, was like people being like damn joe exotic's actually a good musician it's like no he's just a weird like carnival barker who yeah people to sing good music that he could lip sync to yeah well they did like because they wanted to make him like the central figure when like if this was i think a little bit more truthful you'd be like what the fuck are all these disgusting people doing?
Starting point is 01:02:06 Like, what the fuck is this? Like, who the fuck are these people? Totally. It's going to be interesting. I wonder, like, as the weeks progress, you know, because Tiger King was like the first quark, like first phase of quark upset media obsession. upset media obsession like and now we're moving into getting more outsider takes on carol baskin and joe exotic like what the ev like where we're going to end up in a month where we're like demanding he stays in prison uh trying to like have all these amateur sleuths find the murder of carol baskin's first husband i'm just curious how that what the evolution is going to be of the Tiger King fandom it's so crazy to think about that series like it felt it felt like characters and the whole world and
Starting point is 01:02:51 everything felt like a season of true detective like just the level of darkness and it also felt like there were truly no law enforcement in the everything was freaking on camera everything they were like bombed the studio there's like he's he's literally saying i'm gonna go kill her with a gun in his hand i mean there's all sorts of shit just literally hours and hours of footage of crime and it just seems like there was no police there a completely lawless land yeah i mean is it illegal to shoot someone in effigy on your public access show and then say this is coming for you i'm coming yeah one day she's gonna walk like just non-stop threats of like murder yeah i was just like yeah well the thing you gotta understand about joe and then the chiron's like police chief
Starting point is 01:03:45 local police chief yeah and he's like and what we're just railing meth over here that's all we're doing well joe was also a cop though back in the day so he's got you know he's got some friends i think that's an underrated uh aspect of why the show resonated so much is how much it reveals just how hapless and completely incompetent and sleep at the wheel uh authority figures are like that it was just this lawless totally corrupt land at a time when we're seeing that happen in america i was also noticing that with uh what one of my quarantine activities over the past 24 hours was watching Die Hard. And it really underlined the thing we were talking about on yesterday's episode with the mayor from Jaws and just how like this character who used to seem, at least to me, used to seem almost comically like unrealistically corrupt and stupid is now like very believable uh that's also like diehard has some of the dumbest police chiefs uh in the history of of movie dumb like there's a
Starting point is 01:04:59 point where uh reginald val johnson carl winslow, is trying to convince them that John McCain, that Bruce Willis' character is a good guy who killed one of the terrorists. And he's like, well, how do you explain the terrorists that fell out of the building with a bunch of bullet holes in them? And the police chief is like, I don't know, he's probably some stockbroker who got depressed. And it's just like the dumbest.
Starting point is 01:05:25 The dumbest is not only the line, the character is dumb, but the person who wrote that line for the dumb character has to be dumb to believe that a dumb person would even say that. But now it's fully believable. I feel like you could do a podcast of just throwaway lines from law enforcement characters in film where you you completely ignored a full on murder. I don't know. It's probably some fucking like, wait, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Leave that alone real quick. What the fuck are you talking about? Some Wall Street guy. I'll take some clips from Bad Boys for you guys. Yeah. Oh, my God. Bad Boys. Classic.. Yeah, please. Oh, my God. Bad Boys. Classic.
Starting point is 01:06:06 Classic dumb cop shit. Well, speaking of movies, we just found out in the past few days about a Disney movie that's in the works. They just kind of closed the deal on it right before we all went into quarantine. And that is a reboot or a remake of the 70s Fox Robin Hood cartoon that is going to be like CGI live action blend,
Starting point is 01:06:37 sort of like the Lion King remake I'm imagining. But with the Fox from the original Robin Hood was like in a human form uh just with a fox head oh wait did he have like hairless arms no he had like no no he had fox he had foxy arms it was like fox skin over a human's arms yeah yeah did he have do you have uh opposable thumbs yes he must have to to shoot the bow and arrow. That's a good question, though. What did his hands look like? I actually don't know off the top of my head.
Starting point is 01:07:13 I'm looking at a cover. Yeah, motherfucker had thumbs. So this is something I hadn't realized, though, is that that Disney Robin hood from the 70s was very um like sexually significant to a whole generation of people and that uh some people credit it with the creation of the furry movement because it's one of the yeah it's one it's kind of the first or the most significant example of that sort of thing where it's like a human body with a animal head in american pop culture and that's also robin hood
Starting point is 01:07:55 was right right for me that's that's lola bunny erasure completely to even say that well lola bunny came after this right right? After many years. I know I have to acknowledge that. Many years, right, right. I would be remiss to not mention it. But to put it in the most blunt terms possible, somebody, I guess it was the Mary Sue wrote, will we still be horny for Robin Hood
Starting point is 01:08:20 in Disney's upcoming remake? And I guess that's a lot. A lot of kids had crushes on Robin Hood growing up, Robin Hood the Fox. And when you look at a comparison of the Robin Hood Fox and a lot of their early and most significant furry characters that people dress up as, there's a lot of similarities there. And apparently this is something that Disney embraces.
Starting point is 01:08:47 There is like around Zootopia, a marketing executive reached out to the furry meetup group for life and was like, hey guys, we love the pictures that you guys have created of yourself and your furry personalities and in your furry costumes. You should check out Zotopia it's a
Starting point is 01:09:07 town where you would all be accepted all this time i thought this was this robin hood thing being like you know having a resurgence was going to be around like people really waking up and the need for wealth redistribution from the rich to the poor but i didn't realize it was horny cartoon shit yeah i was like oh disney's like capitalizing on the upcoming class war but then this this descended into furry talk uh did blair you said you've been horny for other cartoon characters yeah okay yeah let's let's mind that pain oh jessica rabbit um that doesn't count though you know i mean jessica rabbit's practically a human being um i don't know like i think jessica rabbit was like the original porn star you're like oh these are these ideals that can't uh be attained and
Starting point is 01:10:00 she's nasty and she's wild and she'll look you in the fucking eye. You know? She'll look you in the eye. You just grew up being like, looking at Jessica Rabbit, you're like, I'll never have that hip-to-waist ratio. Yeah, I'll never have that and I want it. And it was just the unattainable, you know? And that long cigarette holder was dope. What's another character?essica rabbit seems like
Starting point is 01:10:26 low-hanging fruit i feel like everybody has looked at jessica rabbit like wow but oh um you know i like from exo squad i don't i liked all the princes obviously in all the movies i was like the human forms yeah i was fully entranced by what Disney was trying to sell me that I needed to find a very handsome, rich husband or else I was disgusting. Or I have no value. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:57 What about you guys? Miles has gone into depth about Lola Bunny. I love Lola Bunny. That's a good choice, Daisy Duck. Yeah, Baby Shampoo from Ranma. That's an anime. I love Lola Bunny. That's a good choice, Daisy Duck. Baby Shampoo from Ranma. That's an anime. I've never seen an anime. I hear it's very popular. I liked Aladdin a lot.
Starting point is 01:11:14 I thought he was cool. Princess Jasmine was... Oh yeah, she was Big Town USA for sure. Big time. She was. Yummy, yummy. Yum, yum.
Starting point is 01:11:29 She was yum, yum. Look at us. Look at us, huh? Looking at our cartoon thirst traps. Had someone made a cartoon thirst trap bracket? March Madness bracket? That would actually be worth checking out. Psych gang, help me out here.
Starting point is 01:11:49 Y'all know the animation world better than me. If someone comes up with a lit one that is equal parts anime, Disney, and other international things, let's go there. I want to see that bracket. I have a serious question. Is anime like actual plot stories or just porn it is actual plot stories you okay so you just it's like adult cartoon white person i would deal with in junior high like yo dude is this all tentacles and shit. It's all nasty shit. I'm like, motherfucker, you watch Pokemon.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Yeah. Oh, Pokemon is anime. Yes. It's just animation, basically. Right. Because that's, in Japanese, we like to shorten words. Right, right, right. All right.
Starting point is 01:12:40 Thank you. I need to be educated in that. Somebody has to ask these questions. Yeah. thank you I need to be educated somebody has to ask these questions yeah anime was very influential on Donald Duck cartoons as well oh yeah and fucking Lion King is a straight up rip off of a Japanese cartoon
Starting point is 01:12:57 yeah where the main character was called Kimba oh whoa I love the great lengths they went to change it and make it their own character was called Kimba. Oh, whoa. I love the great lengths they went to change it and make it their own. They knew there was something good
Starting point is 01:13:12 with that. The original was called Kimba the White Lion. I think the 50s or some shit. Damn. Blair, it has been a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you and follow you God it has been the pleasure is all mine
Starting point is 01:13:28 it's so great to be reunited and I just thank you so much you can find me at Blair Saki B-L-A-I-R-S-O-C-C-I on Twitter and Instagram and is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying
Starting point is 01:13:44 I feel like I always talk about Dana Donnelly's tweets. She's a friend of mine, but she recently had one. And, you know, it in no way correlates to me. But she tweeted, when a guy goes out of his way to tell you you have an annoying voice, that means he wants to fuck you, but also wishes you were dead. Anyway, men are crazy. I have no idea why that one resonated so much Miles where can people find you follow you Twitter
Starting point is 01:14:17 Instagram PlayStation Network Miles of Grey also my other podcast 420 Day Fiance new episode out today with Sophiaia alexandra so check out that if you want to continue to hear my annoying as fuck voice uh i like a few there are a lot the tweets man there's there's some good ones i've been keeping my eye on this on this timeline the first one i'll just show you guys oh shit as i knock all this shit down uh is a picture tweet this is the image okay it looks like a barber giving a razor shave to a young black man in a like a just as he's in the chair
Starting point is 01:14:53 uh getting his getting his like lines uh he's getting his edges right but the barber has like the stigmata as if he had been crucified and what the fuck at sir kesla fair just his tweet was the fuck does this mean just like around this image i'm like yeah i don't know what the fuck that art means um another one is from quinn sutherland at real quinn it's this image of rand paul recently on fox and friends where he's wearing like a corduroy fucking blazer and white turtleneck. And she tweets, along with this photo, recently divorced professor Neil Hornby is having a fondue dinner at his home
Starting point is 01:15:31 to celebrate getting tenure. And lastly, Brian Moses. I got to never get tenure. Lastly, Brian Moses tweeted, JonBenet Ramsey is one of the blackest names I've ever heard. I saw that. Yes, that was one of mine blackest names i've ever heard yes that was um that was one of mine
Starting point is 01:15:45 ran paul seems like he uh is getting a case of the candy neck i don't know that look though like why did he suddenly revert to that style when he was like yeah fuck it core i'm gonna do something different he's at the cutting edge of fashion. Yeah, he's there. California guy now tweeted, I like how ads have gone from buy a Toyota to this is a difficult and uncertain time for us all. Buy a Toyota. And then temporary Nick Cage Stan account tweeted yesterday,
Starting point is 01:16:20 155 years ago today, John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln, setting in motion a long chain of events that will one day give us National Treasure Book of Secrets. 155 years ago today, John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln, setting in motion a long chain of events that will one day give us National Treasure Book of Secrets. And then finally, G.L. tweeted, everyone on this website is always like, eat the rich, but then Carole Baskin feeds her millionaire husband to a tiger
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Starting point is 01:17:00 episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as the song we write out on miles what's that gonna be let's do a track from asap rock uh i was just listening to this track it's called drums on the wheel and it's just got like i love the little guitar pick sample in it it's just very i don't know it's got it adds a lot of rhythm to it uh love his flow uh just you. Just get through the hump day with some high energy. So Aesop Rock, drums on the wheel.
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