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Episode Date: March 29, 2018

In episode 115, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Riley Silverman to discuss the huge Roseanne premiere & the politics that come with it, conservatives like Laura Ingraham attacking students from Parkland, Florida for getting back grades and being rejected from college, school shooter Nikolas Cruz getting fan mail, new stories from around the world thanks to a Reddit thread, & more!  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. For March 29th, 2018. Happy anniversary to my lovely wife. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Hobo Brian. Oh, okay. It's courtesy of Velo Pope, because apparently I talk about how I've been everywhere in America

to the point that people are starting to think that I just spent my childhood riding the rails. But I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my wonderful co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. What's your order? Miles Gray?

Uh-huh. No? Okay. What? A.K.A. Fo Flat. That was from Sarcastic Samurai. You duped me, Daze Eddie, on that one.

No, that was a Kanye West one from, you know, the song. Yeah. Niggas and Pears. It was supposed to be Fish Filet, but it was Miles Gray. Anyway, and I'm taking too long to explain that. Difficult. And we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the very funny comedian, writer, and fashion maven, Riley Silverman. Hello, thank you for having me back.

Hey, we are thrilled to have you. I like how you sort of slightly popped your sweater as you said that. Well, you know, I do what I can. Riley, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Yesterday it was the phrase kitchen table poly. I don't know what that means. I didn't either, which is why I had to search it.

It is a polyamory term. And I found out because I think last time I was on the show, I was seeing someone and I am not anymore. So I guess I can say my overrated is being dumped. But that so I've been back on the the dating apps and there was someone whose profile i was reading yesterday on ok cupid and she said that she considers her view on what they call uh uh ethical non-monogamy like that's a fancy term for polyamory right things and then i'm sure a listener's like that's not what that means um but there's a there's a phrase, that's not what that means. But there's a phrase,

kitchen table poly. And what that means is that you were in a polyamorous relationship and the idea is that it's so civil that all the parties involved could have a casual conversation around a kitchen table and chat and drink coffee

and stuff like that, despite the fact that you're all also like not being monogamous with each other. So, you know, which is interesting. It sounds lovely. Yeah, it sounds delightful. It sounds like a great arrangement.

I don't think it sounds possible for me. Right, right. But I think that I'm happy for her and I wish her luck at all her demos. I like Kitchen Table as a modifier.

Yeah, me too. Yeah. And what is something you think is underrated? I think the TV show Legion on FX. Okay. I mean, it has fans.

It's coming back for season two. It's starting, I think, next week. And I don't see that much hype for it. And I think it's a fantastic show. I think as a nerd who's super into like I loved x-men growing up and I think that there's a lot of like you know a lot of legit gripes about the x-men film franchise and I

think legion is one of the like best things that has come out of any sort of like adaptation of trying to take the x-men books and make it into a show or a movie. It doesn't use characters that are super familiar to most audiences. Like they're definitely characters from the books, but they're not. It's kind of like Guardians of the Galaxy where because you're not working with like a super entrenched fan base, like you can kind of get a little more leeway about what stories you can tell. Right. But it's also show run by Noah Hawley, who does Fargo, the TV series, which is like,

I think one of the best shows on TV. by Noah Hawley who does Fargo, the TV series, which is like, I think one of the best shows on TV. Right. And so it has that similar like DNA of just amazing visuals,

like really trippy things happening. The main characters, like his mutant abilities are all like mental and psychic and stuff like that. So there's a whole lot of just really trippy dream sequences in the first season

and a whole lot of Aubrey Plaza being really, really Aubrey Plaza-y. Really? I was surprised. Yeah. Cause I got into it late after people were like, you got to watch Legion.

You got to watch Legion. Like for, if anything else, just to see Aubrey Plaza. She's amazing. And I was like, Whoa, look at you.

Like, yeah, she's really great in it. She plays a character that was written as a male character and it, she just kills it. And like, I can't imagine a guy playing this character now because she's. Oh yeah.

Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah. There's so much. And then she's like even know that. Yeah, there's so much. And then she's so unhinged at points, but also there's points where she's wearing a dapper suit and just looks amazing. And there's other points where she's just losing her mind and her makeup's all runny and her hair's all messed up. And she's kind of like, I can't even get into it. This is so good.

You have to witness yourself. self yeah um i i feel like this is a thing that i've noticed with uh another show that i really liked preacher uh where there was a lot of excitement around the first season when it was first coming out uh it came out i thought it was very a very successful first season and then the second season came and everyone was like yeah you know like people didn't even really like publicize it as much i just think because there's just so much content and it's like the novelty is worn off. And I've heard, Preacher is one that I haven't watched, but like it has really loyal fans who are like rabid about it and rave about how good it is.

And on a show like that, since I work for Syfy, let me go ahead and just do some synergy here. The Magicians is a show that I haven't watched, but people tell me that if you get through the first season, the second and third season just gets amazing. And so it's one of those ones where I'm like, really need to get on that and watch it and I haven't yet shout out to Summer Bischel my homie's sister who's on that show and what is something

you think is overrated? Hayton alright just Hayton yeah I couldn't think of a way to sum up but I think that like I'm so tired of this whole like nerd culture not even nerd at this point like fandom culture where it's like you're almost defined more by what you don't like than what you do like and I'm a I as someone who writes for like for sci-fi fangirls and writes for like nerdy things I'm getting tired of like I mean like I I'm not saying you shouldn't like legitimately

criticize things that deserve it like that's definitely not what I'm going for but I feel like there's this this thing to just go on Twitter and be like screw this thing this thing sucks and like not instead of celebrating what you love you're just tearing down the things you don't love and i think like we were talking about there's so much out there right now right that like we're that we're missing shows that are really good right it's like man just maybe just pump the brakes on that negative energy and find something that is for you yeah like there's a lot of i think we're gonna talk about it later but there's a lot of praise and backlash for Ready Player One, which I think is like a little bit overrated on both sides as a thing to talk about. But like I think if you really want to see that movie and it's serving what you are looking for, I think you should enjoy it. And I also think that like maybe it doesn't need to be – like Demonize is the worst movie ever.

Right. But yeah, and I think like there's a certain point where because I hate when there's something. There's a phrase that I love called don't yuck my yum. And that has become my like philosophy and fandom in the last like several years. And I find that I'm enjoying my world of fandom way more now that I like that I've been that way. Yeah. It's weird how people can like sort of embrace like negative energy to sort of justify their love of something. Yeah.

Because like even as a fan of sports, you even have factions of fans of sports that are sort of like polarized by their opinion on a certain thing. Like even right now as an Arsenal fan, got a shot at the Arsenal. They're like, we're in a tournament that a group of fans want us to fail. So the manager is fired. Yeah. So they're like, no, we got to fuck this up so this guy can lose. And it's like almost like, whoa. And yeah, it's interesting how people put their energy towards.

Yeah. I'm always following up with people who are rooting for a thing that they are a fan of to fail. Like I as a Doctor Who fan, there's like there's like there's a group of fans that want the show to get canceled because they don't want to be a female doctor. Right. But that's like. Right. Yeah. Celebrate it. Celebrate it. show to get canceled because they don't want it to be a female doctor right but that's like right yeah celebrate it celebrate whenever there's like a thing like someone's not watching a thing and they go why isn't it canceled yet just don't watch it like you 100 don't have to watch it you're not making the budgets for the network where you're like why isn't this canceled

yet yeah like i think they think that if it gets canceled then it'll get replaced immediately with a version of the show that they love but that's not going to happen if the show gets canceled it's canceled it's gone it's done yeah the But that's not going to happen. If the show gets canceled, it's canceled. It's gone. It's done. Yeah, there's a slim chance that it's going to come back. Right. At least not for another 20 years like it did last time. Exactly. And for sports fans out there, this is how I've always felt about LeBron James. Just the amount of energy people, the number of calories people burned hating LeBron James

when he went to Miami. And it's just like such a waste of energy and time. And you're rooting against somebody who's doing something, who's like a type of player that we've just like never seen. He's like got a physical genius that we've never seen. Like why as a fan of the sport would you root against him to like do amazing things? Having said that, I would say that if you were a Cleveland fan and that happened, I think you are well justified in feeling betrayed.

Totally justified. But then he came back. I just more hated the event of it. The event was painful. I was like, yo, this is – At least he made charity money doing that. At least the money he made doing that wasn't just like, well, now my mom is buying hats. It wasn't that kind of thing.

At the end of the day, it's sage-like wisdom, Riley, because it's really about put your energy. If you're going to expend energy, make it good. Make it positive because you're only just going to contribute to an environment of love and positivity. If you put all that bullshit out, nah, man, that's a waste. Don't give your energy away like that. Finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true that you know to be false? I think the idea that social media is run by interns. I think that is such a ridiculous thing.

Yeah, you do see that sometimes. It's like, oh, some intern's getting fired. It's like, tch. Yeah, I just like, because I dated, my ex that I mentioned earlier works in social media and they're like super busy all the time and like it's like a stressful job for them. Yeah.

And then people are like, ah, some intern messed up. It's like, no, that's a person who's in an office who like scheduled this, like has like analysis of data of when the primal time to run a tweet. Like social media is like the window of companies to the public. And the idea they would just hand to some,

like some college kid has only been there for a few weeks because they're on a work study program is like that. No, that's not how it's working. In the early days of social media, right? That idea of, or the position of a social media manager hadn't quite formed yet. So I think at the time, like older people at a company would be like, well, this young kid uses Twitter. So can you make the Facebook or whatever? Right. But as I think companies had to begin to really rely on a social media presence and a digital presence like, oh, shit.

Yeah, we need like experts. Well, it's the same thing as like the idea that all podcasts are recorded in someone's basement. Right. Like all the washer dryers running in the background. We do it in a Faraday cage. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I had to put like, I had to get retinal scans. I had to go through like security to get here.

Yeah, blood tests, everything. We had to make sure there wasn't enough like heavy metals in your body. Yeah, I didn't like being microchipped. I will say that I didn't appreciate that. You know, you got to keep a track. We got to know where our guests are and if they live what they preach. What if somebody cancels? You know, we need immediate access to all of you.

And you're aware, Riley? It says you're at an Ikea right now. But yeah, social media is, it's so funny when you talk about how like, yeah, there's an entire department usually devoted to that. And what's funny too is like a lot of companies now that are deleting Facebook, I wonder, are they just wholesale being like, hey who ran Facebook like there's your job like I know Playboy just got rid of theirs like Tesla and many other companies Twitter there's still Instagram right but some companies like you know I used to work for Playboy with Jamie Loftus

shout out Jamie uh and Facebook was like the main window like that was their main interaction with people of for the company so to get rid of that for a brand that is already on I mean radio ads used to be the main window to things and when radio ads kind of became less mean people radio ads still exist but they're not what they used to be now then they TV advocate yeah yeah then TV ads are kind of moving to the wayside and now social media as well as just dishes the yeah right but I mean Facebook still like as much as people are like, I'm tired of Facebook. Nobody goes on Facebook anymore.

It was still a huge, huge driver of traffic when I left Cracked. And I mean, yeah, as much as people don't like to be on Facebook, they still are in huge, huge numbers. And so the fact that Hugh Hefner's son. Cooper. The fact that Hugh Hefner's son. Cooper. Yeah, Cooper Hefner was like, ah, well, because Tesla deleted their Facebook presence, I'll do the same. Yeah.

That probably like fucked them pretty hard. Tesla has many other offerings that people are interested in. Playboy is still a physical magazine. Tesla can still fire cars into the sun. So it's like they're fine. Whereas Playboy, yeah, has some issues. We have the internet. Literally, because they're a magazine. There you go.

All right. We're locked in. Some issues. All right. We're trying to take a sample of what people are thinking and talking about right now, mostly in America, but we're going to go international today a little bit. But first up, we want to talk about the premiere of Roseanne. Over 18 million people viewed the premiere of the new rebooted Roseanne. And yeah, a lot of people are kind of taking this as a sort of vindication of Trumpism

because in the show, Roseanne is a Trump supporter. And so you're seeing- And real life. Right, and in real life. And the first episode was sort of a conversation between her and Jackie about the Trumpism versus people who oppose Trump. I think Jackie was portrayed as like a cartoon of liberalism. Like she walked in with a pussy hat and, uh,

an outfit made of kale. Right. Uh, but yeah, so, I mean, it is a perspective that you don't tend to get from mediated pop culture that's coming out of Los Angeles. Sure. I never watched the show growing up, uh, because I didn't really see myself in the reality of that show. But I know many people that liked it. But was the show problematic back then? I thought based on what I was reading, they used this working class reality to also talk about other issues within it. There was gay marriage at the time when the show was happening, but apparently it was a controversial episode. Is this new version?

Like, are they just going whole hog on Trump where it's like, no, we're going to normalize Trump using Roseanne? Or is it still going to be like, we're going to, we'll have elements of people who support Donald Trump and also try and use that and juxtapose that with other people

and then explore the relationship that we have in families or whatever between people having sort of these political ideological differences. I've heard an offense of it that tries to compare it to All in the Family. Because in All in the Family, obviously, Archie Bunker was like an old crotchety bigot. Right. But I think the difference between that and this is that Carol O'Connor himself was not that way.

And he himself did not feel that way. But the show used him as a foil. And like he was like, like he himself did not feel that way. But the show like used him as a foil. Now, to be fair, like Rob Reiner's character on that show was kind of a caricature of like a young liberal kid, too. Right. Kind of there was that there. But it doesn't help if the only like mouthpiece for that idea is Jackie.

And she's kind of a punch line and like a thing that may not be what they're trying to achieve. But yeah, there are a lot really, like there are queer writers for the show, people of color. I don't know what they're attempting with it, but it might be possible like they're actually trying to find a way to like bridge the gap

in the fight between Trump supporters and Hillary supporters. I don't know what they're going for, but that seems to be what they're claiming to be going for.

Portray the disagreement rather than taking necessarily a side in the disagreement. Right, right. But it seems like from how our writer J.M., was describing it, it seems like there are plenty of things left hanging where a liberal character says something,

and then that's just the joke, but there's no... And Roseanne gets the last word. Yeah, gets the last word. Trumpism gets the last word. Yeah, I think it's probably more evenly distributed than you would typically see in a show about liberal city dwellers, written by liberal city dwellers. But I think that's probably partially both because Roseanne herself is not just the namesake and star of the show. She's also one of the executive producers and one of the loudest voices in the

you know, one of the executive producers and one of the loudest voices in the writer's room. And, you know, she herself is a Trump supporter. But, you know, it's also a stated goal of the show to try and accurately reflect what people who are living in the middle of America who are in this, you know, income bracket would think like in the conversations that they're having. There's an interview with the co-EP of the show, a guy, Bruce Rasmussen, who was also, you know, heavily involved in the previous incarnation of it, who was saying, you know, that the writers room itself outside of Roseanne is still fairly liberal. It's a lot of L.A. comedy writers. But, you know, they are having to dig.

And I think probably having Roseanne there keeps them honest about this. They're having to dig to, you know, write from the perspective of somebody who is a Trump supporter, who does think that Trump is going to do something for them. Right. It's like the Black Panther to do something for them. Right. It's like the Black Panther for white working class people. Right. And I think... This is their Wakanda. Yeah.

And I think there are other shows that do the same thing. Like I think Atlanta is another example. That was something that kept jumping out to me in the first season is how much of that show is about like struggling to, you know, like go out on a date when you don't have the money to pay for the date. Very grounded in reality. Right. Very grounded in economic realities, which is something like from back when I was at Cracked, you know, we had people who grew up fairly poor on our writing staff. And anytime they would write

articles about growing up poor and, you know, what it's like to be poor, they would write articles about growing up poor and what it's like to be poor, they would get way more traffic than their normal articles would because people, I think, are just so starved for content that reflects the reality of life as the majority of people in America live it, which is as, you know, not somebody who can afford a giant apartment in Manhattan. Right. You know?

And like, even Lady Bird was kind of like, that was one of the draws to that movie. It was like people, like that was pre economic collapse, like collapse. Like that was people living in the nineties era. Yeah.

Yeah. What was I going to say? Did you watch, did you watch the show? I did not watch the show. I, um, I have issues with

rosanne herself and some stuff she's had with um transphobia on twitter and historically and i it's it's hard because it's one of the things where she deleted a lot of her old tweets when the show was announced and i think that may have been the network asking her to do it i'm not sure and all this that was happening in the era where tweets weren't as readily cataloged as they are now so you have you can find a lot of like think pieces about the tweets but there aren't screenshots of the tweets right um and like it was a little bit rough and and so i and i i've kind of steered clear of it because at times he's gotten pretty aggressive with people um and so i'm a little antsy about it now one thing i will say about the show um just from like reading about it, is that there's been

a lot of things like, oh, how dare you support Roseanne because she's a transphobe. And then people point out that there is a character on the show that is one of Darlene's children. And it's a boy

who is like gender nonconforming and dresses in girls' clothing on the show. And I guess Roseanne as a character is very supportive of him. And people have been going, see, this show's not transphobic

because there's this kid that wears dresses or whatever. And I think that like that is a oversimplification of what's happening in the situation now i am not saying this to attack it i actually think it's great they're doing this character and i think that it is really good to have a show that is hitting this market like you were saying that also addresses the idea of letting a kid in a middle class culture especially in in middle america being able to be openly

expressive of his gender non-conformity and be able to dress how he feels and that's great so i 100 support them doing that so i don't want to seem like i'm attacking that but i do think that like step back from using that as an example of the show not being transphobic because that does not mean the show's not trans like in fact Roseanne openly refers to trans women at least she did on Twitter in the time when she was like really engaging in this as men in dresses so you could even make the argument that like that they're making this a boy who wears dresses who is explicitly not transgender as a way of being like oh this is all this really is and even though it's really two different things and they're not saying that one should not be showcased and should not be

celebrated but it's just not it'd be like if I'm on a show and i'm of jewish descent and someone's like that show is not racist you got a jew on there right let's go ahead like i have black friends yeah i'm not but it's not even that like it's literally saying like this different group is represented so this group is not being attacked so like uh i don't think that that character in and of itself absolves roseanne barr herself herself of her history with transphobia and so now I've like the article that you guys linked to or someone mentioned Andrea James

who is a trans writer and like performer like was praising the show and she was saying the show's at the end of the day the show's really funny and that's what matters more than anything and that's what's like going to heal things so there are trans voices who are watching the show and saying that it's fine so for me it's less about what the show is doing and more my reservations about the about the creator.

About Roseanne herself. And so. Yeah, I just I did as a kid never appealed to me, but it just seemed like one of those things that everyone knew. Like it was like a show that I never watched, but I knew the characters names. Right. Just because like everyone would talk about it. But I don't know, Jack, you watched it.

Yeah, I watched it a lot growing up and I didn't even realize. But, you know, Norm MacDonald ended up being one of my favorite comedians. And he was a writer on the show when I watched it back then. And he's still a consulting producer. Whitney Cummings is co-showrunner. Wanda Sykes is writing on it. It's like the writer's room is really impressive. And so I'm definitely going to check it out.

I just haven't had a chance to yet. Yeah, and I will probably check it out at some point and like it is like again like going back to my own overrated earlier like i think that there are people who are going to get something out of this and it's going to be really useful for them and so i you're not hating i'm not hating i hope i honestly i think the fact that they have a gender non-conforming kid on the show is amazing and so i support i'm excited about that And, you know, I'm hoping that the people on the show, like Sarah Gilbert and John Goodman, who have a perspective that is very different than what Roseanne Barr's perspective is, still are able to have enough creative input in the show that it's not just like a propaganda thing.

And I'm optimistic for it. Yeah, me too. I just haven't been able to bring myself to watch it for reasons. All right, we're going to take a quick break. We will be right back. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that.

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that is erupting around one of our podcast favorite talking heads, Controversy that is erupting around one of our podcast favorite talking heads, Laura Ingram, has decided to go after some of the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas students and shooting survivors for not getting into the colleges that they wanted to get into. Wow. The height of intellectual discourse. Just basically talking shit about. Well, you didn't get into UCLA. Right. Because specifically David Hogg, because he didn't get into like his top four choices for school, which were UC schools. a lot in conservative media where they will try and show these kids subtly in a negative light

to make them seem, you know, less impressive. You know, there's a big thing on, I think, Drudge or one of the conservative outlets I check where they're showing Emma Gonzalez singing a song that's like not a great song or something. And, you know, like they're highlighting that for a reason. Like they just want to, you know,

without admitting that they're openly attacking these kids, they want to make them look less serious and less, you know, uh, amazing and impressive, which is sort of how they have come across. They're in a really, they're in a bad position where they don't really have a lot of good facts on impressive, which is sort of how they have come across to people who've been watching.

They're in a bad position where they don't really have a lot of good facts on their side to argue their point. And they're up against, there's an article in the New Republic that just sort of talks about the smearing of the students is sort of symptomatic of their like ideological exhaustion on the right. And yeah, they're going up against, as they put it, they're facing a genuine conundrum. It's like the students of the shootings and just other victims in general who are, you know, voicing their opinions. They're combining unimpeachable personal testimony, which is their experience surviving shootings, with specific gun control policies that are popular with a sizable amount of Americans. It's like the worst enemy of someone who's trying to actually have a debate.

You're like, damn, like I'm in a really bad spot. And so all they can do is just attack the person, not the ideas. And I think, yeah, it shows you sort of where they are in terms of the tricks that they have left in their back, which really isn't nothing now. What's interesting about it too is their whole position on Trump's kids is like,

oh, you shouldn't attack the minors that are involved. And it's weird how it's fine to attack minors when it's someone you disagree with, but when it's someone that's on, oh, you shouldn't attack the minors that are involved. And it's like weird how like it's fine to attack minors when it's someone you disagree with. But when it's someone that's like on your side and you're like, that's off limits. Like, what are you doing? In the beginning, there was a someone wrote, I think a conservative person wrote about how these kids are fair game now because they're actually public figures voicing controversial opinions or whatever. Therefore, like they can be rebutted, but like in a respectful way. Yeah. But now we've seen them like just levy all kinds of photoshopping a Nazi uniform onto a kid is

definitely beyond that. Right. I'm not saying it to you. I'm saying it to them. But yeah, like there's a certain point where you have to go, oh, no, you're bully. Like you're bullying, quote unquote. No, I think we need to tell Miles to stop doing that. Yeah. Yeah. It's become a problem. Yeah. My kids didn't know. Well, guys, this is how I find the limits. You have to cross the boundaries to know where they are. Yeah. NRA funding and NRA donations on the right, you know, to combat the, you know, students and the surge in gun control. But so I was looking at that because I kept hearing that. And I think I talked about it on a past episode.

But I actually found what they were talking about. And it's basically $500,000 more than they would normally make in like a quarter. They made in the quarter during that the shooting took place. But the numbers they were like, which it was primarily comprised of $200 donations or like around $200 donations. So that breaks down to 2,500 people. Which is not a lot. Yeah, that's not like really a huge overwhelming like

the number if 2,500 people had showed up for even one of the marches that they had had over the weekend like the conservative media would have been like talking about that and making a point of how there wasn't grassroots support like that's not a lot of people well it's yeah and interesting how like they also do the bullying thing of like they're saying oh these kids are bullies because they're using the logic of they bullied the shooter into the position of them shooting up the school and then they now get to claim being victims despite being the bullies but then that argument doesn't track too because like there was you know there are a lot of tweets over the weekend that were saying like oh if it's about being bullying then where all the trans and like lgbt uh you know the poor kids overweight kids who are also fucking bullied and why aren't they doing it seems it

seems to be a specifically white male thing well that bullied thing is becoming a big thing now there's this whole walk up not out movement which is like trying to like rebut the walkouts that were happening and that myth of the bully school shooter goes back all the way to at least columbine if not further and there was the idea of like oh dylan klebold and i can't remember eric harris i was trying to say dylan harris i'm like no that's not right and that's dylan roof no uh yeah they like there was the whole argument oh they were bullies and they were like mocked in school and they were but like they then it's like you get photos of them in like a full limo going to prom and like they weren't on they were just like they were like it's like like this Nicholas Cruz guy.

Like there's that article that came out this week that was written by a Parkland student or interview was like I was nice to Nicholas Cruz and he still killed my friends. Like it wasn't like this idea. I remember when I was in school after Columbine because of that narrative. Oh, the bullied kid is who the school shooter is. bullied kid is who the school shooter is. Then what happens is then everyone becomes afraid of the kid who's already isolated and already being bullied because like, oh, now he's going to shoot the school and like makes it 10 times worse for that kid. We had a student at my school who basically the rumor became he was going to shoot up the prom and people were like, and he actually, I don't know if he sued the school or not, but I remember like that was a big deal to where I made

a comment about it when the walkout happened, where I said, this is how my generation reacted to it. My school picked a kid who was already tormented and made him into a school shooter mentally in our head. He wasn't a school shooter. Yeah. And like somebody messaged me about it and they go, I was just thinking about, and they said him by name.

So they knew exactly who I was talking about. They remembered this kid from 20 years ago that was being called this same thing. And so it is definitely – this is the worst argument because it basically just further isolates kids who are already isolated and are not going to be school-structured victims. And they're probably going to get shot by school-structured. It's also a false narrative. The deep dive book into Columbine that won one of the major literature prizes points out that it wasn't a situation where either of them were really bullied. Right. One of the kids was kind of a loner

who was just like kind of a mopey kid who was open to, you know, persuasion. And the other kid was just a, from birth to the time he did this, complete psychopath, like clinical criminal psychopath in every sense of the word. And he manipulated this other kid into

doing it with him and that's it that's what happened a person who was a maniac criminally deranged person created this crime but we turned it into a morality play on like high school which is like blaming the kids who are being murdered for not being like psychologists who could help fix right a broken person now granted yeah we shouldn't bully people in high school though like we're not pro-bullying but and i don't know about you but i had my shit fully together by 15 yeah yeah yeah i was i was ashamed when did you then lose it because you don't have it now no no i lost it it when I was broken up with in college, 22. I mean, like I was a closeted trans kid in high school. So I was like always a little bit isolated

and always a little bit disconnected from everything. And I was tormented. And people didn't even know that I was trans. Like I was not at all open because, but I think when you have a secret, people can just sense it about you. And like even up until like through my senior year, I was getting like picked on and tormented

and stuff like that. So like, it's like, and i never once was like oh i'm gonna shoot up a school i mean i thought about hurting myself right tragically that's usually the yeah the conclusion a lot of kids come to is self-harm yeah but yeah and when now laura ingram is definitely facing the music because uh i think uh you know rachel ray nutrition is no longer advertising with her i think wayfair. Rachel Ray's dog food. Rachel Ray's dog food. I think like Wayfair and a couple other companies. So that, I guess, got her into gear and she just did the most half-assed apology.

Was saying something about like, in the spirit of Holy Week, I'm looking back and like, I feel bad for if I hurt any of the brave students of the shooting. It's just so. But it's like, no, you're crying because you're losing your ad dollars. And even when she was talking shit about it, it wasn't like she was like, ha ha, you loser. She was just like, hey, looks like this guy didn't get into college.

Easy to predict with like the acceptance rates and his grades. His only a 4.1 GPA. Just like gossipy, crazy shit. It's like you're a nationally... You're an adult. An adult who's like a media figure talking about a kid. That's shit another high school student says to another high school student where you're like-

Being petty as fuck. Oh, yeah. You didn't get to use your- Yeah. And then you're going to say something about bullying. Right. Really? It doesn't fucking-

Yeah. Yeah. The bullying narrative is not one that- I remember Emma Gonzalez and the first speech that kind of put her on the map like started this whole thing was saying, you guys don't know this person. People accuse us of being mean. And I didn't know what she was talking about. But, yeah, that is apparently a real narrative that it's like these students who were bullies. And yet there's also apparently a lot of sympathy for the shooter himself just in general.

Probably because this narrative that he was a bully victim when he really was. I mean, I don't know anything about this shooter. I haven't read the article about being nice to him. I haven't read it yet because it's kind of traumatizing, kind of triggering a little bit. But I need to read it at some point. But, yeah, I think that when you make someone that is like this martyr character and you're going to have people who suddenly are like, well, then I feel bad for him. Well, yeah. Apparently, he's been receiving, as they say, scores of mail from fans across the country

while he awaits trial for 17 counts of murder. But yeah, apparently, it's been everything from donations to his commissary account, which is critical for people who want to get food in jail. Anyway, from donations to his commissary account, which is critical for people who want to get food in jail. That isn't in the... Anyway, from donations to his commissary account to straight up like thirsty photos from teenage girls that are like scantily clad and saying like,

I'm beautiful. I want to be with you. And like, you know, there was another one of an 18 year old from New York. Someone told him to keep his head up and said, no one else is dealing with your demons, meaning maybe defeating them

could be the beginning of your meaning, friend, which was friend which was whoa interesting as well as like an older woman from chicago sent him nine photos including shots of her cleavage in a bikini eating a popsicle close up of her backside yeah i mean it's not new because it happens every time people are you know get hyperstophelia or whatever the people like sexually aroused uh over someone like doing criminal shit or like horribly heinous shit. Many serial killers have had plenty of fans and stuff like that. But the public defender who was representing him was just really shaking because it's a lot of teenage girls too. And it just felt slightly –

It seems like it's a cool thing. Because of their age. Right. Yeah. And I think that – I wonder – this is a really off the deep end thought. And I think that I wonder, this is a really off the deep end thought, but I wonder if it has something to do too with like a lot of YA oriented things have like these anti-hero characters. Oh, right. Like fix the monster. Yeah.

And I do wonder if like, I like that in my fiction because I do think that very few people are inherently evil and a lot of them are just misinformed or whatever. evil and a lot of them are just misinformed or whatever. But as a Harry Potter fan, I am as Slytherin as my house and I have gotten plenty of arguments as to why Slytherin is not inherently evil and you can be a good Slytherin. I think that what's interesting in the

Harry Potter and the Curse of the Child play that was written later, they really do a lot to retcon why Draco Malfoy is the way he is. I do wonder if there's that element of... Or people are elements of that right like even like in star wars like there's so much in the most recent one about like can kylo ren be brought back from the dark side can he be fixed and i think there's something that that kind of fiction like maybe makes people go oh i bet i can fix this right and i'm not saying he can't be quote-unquote fixed like rehabilitating

yeah but if that's where people's sympathy is sort of rooted. But yeah, and I mean that's also how the media covers these people. The media wants to – we've been seeing some criticism of the New York Times for their coverage of the Austin bomber. Just the preferred narrative. You mean the domestic terrorist. Right, the domestic terrorist who they were covering as like a good kid from a good family who from a loving family. His wife fell apart or something like that. to the public. And like, this is something that was done in Germany when some German guy, like 15 years ago, their last mass shooting, went on a shooting spree at like a preschool and they didn't show his picture on the news and they didn't put his name out. And it was like,

they were trying to experiment with this idea of you know not doing that and we need to take a serious look at how we're covering these people yeah i think that's the problem in general with news as a commodity you know it's i don't even know how you scale back that nowadays because like infotainment whatever is such a prevalent part of our society like with the 24-hour news cycle and like cable news and also internet clickbait but like back when news first came on like tv it was an hour of like a loss hour you put on like as an exchange for being on government airwaves and it was much more informative but now it's like oh it's interesting here's a really cool interesting take on this bomber that makes them sympathetic and then people are gonna click on

that and then we're gonna make profits and like i don't know how we now in 2018 versus like you know 15 20 years ago in germany when that wasn't as much of a thing. How do we fix that? Because I think it is an issue. I think you're right. But I don't know what to do about it. Well, at the very least, the media can emphasize the sort of talking about the victims and what can be done to prevent this kind of thing rather than just getting fixated on like, well, why did this one happen? Like, you know.

Tell the stories of the victims. Like, tell the stories like these people. Humanize the victims more than the fucking perpet these people what was happening humanize the victims more than the fucking perpetrators of the crimes how about that yeah seems like a simple start

yeah and I mean this is not something I have any hope of happening you know the last time this was really put forward there's a expert

on you know media coverage of these sorts of events who just keeps banging this drum like don't show the picture don't do the name tell all the other details you need to but no picture no name and don't show like there are these weird things that he says matter like don't show sirens when uh

you're doing the news coverage because that is like a sign of you know oh it's exciting it's like right drawing everybody's attention to it but um i read a washington post op-ed from one of their reporters being like this is ridiculous we owe it to the people to like tell them what they want to know and it's just like not really man you you have a responsibility that's not what your responsibility is right but the thing is like that's the school of journalism they've probably going through they believe that's what they want and like it's so hard in a culture where we do have freedom of the press, which is great. But how do we then go, no, you can't report it that way.

Like it's hard to have a conversation that's more about the ethics of something than the legalities of something. Because as long as it's legal to do it this way, people are going to continue to do it. Like even if 50 papers say we're not going to do it this way anymore. And then the one that does it then sells more because it's sensationalizing. Yeah, right. Then you got to do it. Like even if 50 papers say we're not going to do it this way anymore and then the one that does it then sells more because it's sensationalizing it. Then you got to keep up. It's like I don't know

how we overhaul the culture to kind of like move away from that kind of element. Yeah. At the very least get people to be able to parse through the coverage and know like what they're seeing might not be the best version

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And these are more just kind of overall interesting things that are happening in countries that affect a lot of people, but they're definitely not the most, you know, sensational stories. Right. they're definitely not the most sensational stories. Like in New Zealand, their prime minister is pregnant, which is, I think, the first time that a head of state has been pregnant while in office. Okay, let them know. That's really cool. And I'm sure there are all sorts of really interesting stories to tell about that.

But yeah, I don't know. Would that be a huge story if Hillary was in office and pregnant? Well, probably because she's way post-menopausal. So it'd be kind of nuts. That would be an amazing story. It'd be a medical miracle. It'd be a science thing too, yeah. I don't know.

I mean, isn't Tammy Duckworth pregnant right now? I think she is, yeah. Yeah. So I mean, we have people in office, but yeah, I guess not a head of state though. That's significant. Well, we have a head of state who was threatening to have fistfights with a former vice head of state on twitter so i think we can talk about emotions and what uh like how crazy somebody pregnant would be imagined if it was somebody who which

is funny because in a poll that was taken uh most people thought joe biden would win that fight of course he would but i love that someone actually was petty enough to have a poll who can win that fistfight but yeah i mean like women I mean, like, women have babies. I mean, cis women have babies. And I think, like, yes, if you're going to start putting more women in power, you're going to have more women in power who are having children while they shouldn't have to, like, stop running country. It's not like the prime minister doesn't have assistance to help her raise a child while also being prime minister.

And, like, that's, you know, there is so much to point out that, like, being a cis woman and having a child does not mean you have to give up your whole life. Right. I think we're going to see more and more of it happening until it's not a big deal anymore. For sure. I hope we do. Egypt is talking about the election that they just had. They just had a sort of a similar election to Putin's quote win in Russia in the Russian quote election because so

the person wrote Apparently the guy running against CC voted for him in the booth because he couldn't see his name and not vote for him It was like how his opponent said it he was like I was just overcome with the Grandeur of the incumbent and had to vote for him. So the whole election is a sham. They put up a candidate who is obviously a straw man. In Austria, this just reminds me of better times. In Austria, the former government established a law to ban smoking from restaurants and bars but the newly voted government abolished the law before it came into effect i remember when so you can smoke in bars yeah now

like they stopped it from being outlawed uh oh so dope yeah i mean that's also not good for servers what's the new government what else is different the new government besides their smoking rules could be like way right wing on top of everything else. But I do remember when smoking was being outlawed from like different places in public and that was our biggest news story in America. Like, God, those were the days. Love to have those days back. Iran, this is an interesting sort of blend of state controlled media is their government wants the people to support domestic production, even though according to this Redditor, most of it is hot garbage.

They've already started passing shitty laws, banning certain imports. So it's sort of a combination of them messaging people to try and get them interested in those things. And then accurate reporting being like this, this is not good for our economy. Yeah. But South Africa though yeah they're going through it they put someone in jail for the first time for talking some racist bullshit which is crazy to me this woman vicky momberg used racist

language against these police uh specifically the k word which is like the most offensive racial slur in the country uh and it was like a viral video uh that because like this woman was robbed and then she was saying she wouldn't speak with the black police who only speak with a white person uh and she was given what like a three year sentence with one year suspended uh for like using this kind of hate speech which is very interesting because that sparked all kinds of debates sort of like not just in south africa even like people in America. The idea of criminalizing speech is sort of crazy to us because of the First Amendment.

But in Canada, France, in Germany, they already have laws that you can be penalized criminally for hate speech. So it's crazy to see, especially in a country like South Africa, for them to really kind of – not to suggest that South Africa is completely upside down. But it's crazy that they're following through on things like this, like to really try and crack down on hate speech. Because I'm sure there are many countries – this country especially could do with something like that or to look at our laws. Well, South Africa is interesting in that South Africa has such an even more brutal – like with the history of apartheid and stuff like that. The fact that they've gone, they've swung so far in the other direction is interesting and kind of notable. So yeah. And like, I know at first,

like her lawyers were trying to say that she was in a very frazzled state after being robbed. Although, you know, other witnesses came to sort of corroborate that like she had sort of always been racist. And I think the judge found her to be sort of completely unremorseful. So, I mean, yeah, that is something to think about because there are people who are sort of unrepentant, hateful people.

And, yeah, where is that line where you have a democratic free society where, yeah, you have free speech, but you also understand that there's types of speech that humiliate and harm people. And how do you deal with that? Yeah, maybe it's just my little bit of civic pride that I have left over. I maybe it's just my little bit of civic pride that I have left over. Right. It's just like one bridge that I feel like even I, as super liberal as I am, and as someone who hates being misgendered and hates being called, you know, slurs, I just, I don't know if I feel comfortable moving that. It can be a slippery slope.

Yeah. Because yeah, it's such that, that is one thing where I'm like, ah, that's like, I mean, I'm a boy. I wish there was like, I think the way that we do it now where it's kind of the court of public opinion is is sort of the way that like can also backfire and that's why it's like it's so hard to tell what the limit is and like what should be criminalized and what shouldn't and so i i tend to lean more towards still keeping speech free yeah right um and like in this case i feel like what she could also have been arrested for in the exact same scenario is

like resisting arrest or like like failure to comply with the officer's direction like that's that's more what's happening here i mean like i know that they actually have these laws but like the same situation in america the same person could be arrested and it wouldn't be because of what she said but because of her actions and what she was doing situation which i think is important like i think that usually in cases where someone is is using hate speech here you can kind of usually prove some form of discrimination as involved with it too and that's where you can maybe get into a more legal yeah civil court yeah for me the idea of like you have to like systematically define what a slur is I'm like yeah they like and I could see that you know

laws are put in place to prevent the saying of racist things. But then when a Republican comes into power, then using the word racist becomes against the law. But it does, at the very least, it sort of stimulates these sort of conversations, you know, of like, how do you, because I know ideally we want to figure out a way to dissuade people from speaking like this or holding these views.

But, you know, some people may just, you know, be so lost that they cannot be changed. Yeah. I want to hear more from our South African listeners if we have any out there. Oh, we do. They're out there. South Africa is bonkers, man. We did an interview with somebody who lived in South Africa talking just about like the

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