The Daily Zeitgeist - Firefighters Who Can’t Use Water, wOkE Is bRoKe? 11.12.24

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

In episode 1774, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist, comedian, and host of The Bitchuation Room, Francesca Fiorentini, to discuss… Genres Of Post Election News Story: You Have to Hand It To Them? Americans Shifted Towards Republicans And Now The Democrats Need To Be More Like Trump... AKA Democrats Need To Start Being Cruel To Minority Groups! Trump’s Pick For “Border Czar” Is As Horrible As You’d Expect and more! Trump’s Pick For “Border Czar” Is As Horrible As You’d Expect The secret history of the U.S. government’s family-separation policy How The Family Separation Policy Came To Be Interim Progress Report: Interagency Task Force on the Reunification of Families What to know about Tom Homan, Trump's new "border czar" Trump’s ‘national conservative’ allies plot a revenge administration Trump Taps Family Separation Mastermind to Be ‘Border Czar’ ICE Cold: How a Loyal Obama Bureaucrat Became the Face of Trump’s Deportation Force LISTEN: Stressed | A COLORS SHOW by DoechiiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah. Investors, welcome. Yeah, we only want to hear from arms manufacturers. Because it seems like that might be... We need them to back some... The West's answer to Joe Rogan. So why couldn't you nuke a hurricane? I mean, no one's actually ever explained this to me. I think the equation is just like, believe everything. Right?

Hey Justin, Justin, can you Google this right now? Just Google it. Justin, pull this up. Justin, pull this up. Can you do like a chat GPT simulation if we nuke to a cat five hurricane? His ability to believe that Elon Musk had like a magical app that solved, that like won the election

just made me, it was like, oh, it's like my kids watching a magic show it's he's just willing to go with all right well follow franny fio if you think that starlink flip votes to trump so i don't know some of us are willing to go there others of us still live in the make believe is there is money there? I guess you just have to grift your own people. No, but I will grift, I'll be real. Brought to you by Kraft Foods. Where the votes go. Brought to you by Floride.

Yeah, someone's sticking up for us. Thank you. Yeah, just go against. Is it F12? Steer away from the curve. That's what they say always works, right? It's Tuesday, November 12th, 2024. 11, 12, 13? Oh wow. Well, uh, this is what a weird day. National pizza with the works,

except anchovies day. We're in hell. We're in hell. What the fuck is this? So you so you have pineapple and like a bell pepper Yeah, or did like Michelangelo from the Ninja Turtles, right? This one I feel like half of the days feel like they are, you know Just some corporate interest group invented them and then the other half are just five-year-olds who really this is the pizza I like and we need to have a birthday party for it. You know? Right, right, right. Well, anyway, here's another one.

Fucking chicken soup for the soul, babe. And this one, hey, for us from LA. Yeah, I don't know. I've cried at a couple of those. Okay, well, I can't read. So I protected myself from that kind of pain. The other thing though, just for people from LA and this is just an LA thing.

It's national French dip day. So there it is. That's one of our- That's only an LA thing. Is that an LA thing? No, because Coles is, is, uh, observed as the, like the place that created the French dip and that's downtown. Yeah. Yeah.

I like- I never also knew what a French dip was until I met Matt. Yeah. Well, it's cause he's from the city. He's an LA boy. Yeah. He's an LA boy. Yeah. He's an LA boy. LA boy.

LA boy. LA boy. Is it just like beef broth? Is that beef broth? We call that an au jus, actually. It's a prime rib sandwich with an au jus. It's basically meat sweat water. Yeah.

Meat sweat water. It's very good. Yeah, very good. But I've, I've had it outside of LA, but you were just saying it was originated and beloved in Los Angeles. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. My name is Jack O'Brien, AKA, oh, gonorrhea, gonorrhea, gonorrhea on the show. Everyone knows that it doesn't spread on the beach. The beach. The beach. The beach. I have gonorrhea. That one courtesy of AWD spinning.

Wow. In reference to the worst person I've met in the past couple episodes, the guy from 90 Day Fiance, who speaks in broken English to his fiance. Yeah. To his Filipino girlfriend, like, and says stuff like this. I don't think gonorrhea going to spread on the beach. Yep.

They're not going to spread on the beach. Yeah. I think the pills is no leaking. Yes. Anyway, little taste of 420 Day Fiance on the Daily Zeitgeist. I mean, in the new Trump administration, are they going to come for 90-day fiance on some like revoking visa shit or Load yeah, they don't work out. So I have a feeling I don't know Maybe it's the other way where the show will now be about Americans

Basically like yes fishing for getting the fuck out. Yeah cat fishing for EU citizenship Yeah, and then they're like, you poor child. You think it's not coming over here too? Oh yeah. I'm got EU citizenship and I'm like, I'm an Italian. So it's like Georgia Maloney. That's- Yeah. You're like, no, no, no.

Yeah, yeah. I'll fight them over here. Yeah. A frequent guest, Katie Goldwyn has been like, it's not great over here. We are a couple of years ahead of you. In fact, anyways, shout out to AWD spinning. And I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my cohost, Mr.

Miles Gray. Oh, it's miles gray. Okay. It's been one week since democracy chopped its nuts off and then started bleeding five days since we came to see insane dickheads go and brag that they're winning three days of Impendendum if they know this is their fault they wouldn't tell you yesterday someone made a speech But I was too busy making Molotov cocktails Halcyon salad for that one is it has been one week and what a week it's been

Finger pointing finger point was that was, finger pointing. That was really, really inspired. That was great. Oh yeah. How's he on that? We could look, shout out everybody on Discord. Oh, also if you want a Discord invite, sorry, I've been trying to avoid social media just so I can continue doing a daily news show. But hit me up and I will send you Discord invites.

That's how we try and keep the show, mostly the Chill's Eye Gang. But anyway, hit up. Cause I saw some of you hit me up about that. Anyway, if you want the discord hit me up. I'll give you the bare naked ladies will lead us to the promised land. Yes. Is that Canadian? Yeah. Were they Canadian? Yeah. Scarborough, Ontario. Scarborough, Scarborough country. Yeah. One of my least favorite countries these days. One of my least favorite countries these days. One of my favorite morning hosts though. Yes.

Killing it. Miles, we're thrilled to be joining our third seat by one of our favorite guests, a brilliant comedian, writer, journalist, activist, you know from plays like Al Jazeera, MSNBC's Young Turks from the podcast, The Bitchuation Room. It's Francesca Fiorentini. Francesca. I am nothing. I don't want to sing. I don't know shit. I don't want to do a joke on my name. Everything's terrible.

All right. I'm going to roll. I'm just like, I'm like, when, when, when are the pitch street battles? Let's go. Yeah. But no, I'm, hi, nice to be here. Hey. I'm excited to use my like three week old cough to just scream about Democrats for the next hour. Oh my God. What do you think you're going to do? You're going to pivot? You're going to try and get the Dems, Joe Rogan, Dem dollars? Are you going to keep doing your thing or fully pivot to the right?

Because everything's on the table, I think right now for everyone. Yeah. Wouldn't it be so funny if I pivoted to the right, but like, no one cared. That would be so great if I staked it all and was like, you know what, I'm leaving the left, I left the left. And everyone's like, okay, bye. Like, and like, who the fuck are you? Who are you? It's me. Sometimes I go on Piers Morgan, but then I realize it is woke. And that's what? That's why I wouldn't pivot to the right. Because what if it wasn't big enough to actually get me any sponsorships? People were like, cool. Yeah, cool.

Welcome. Anyway, so here, we're going to burn this cross in front of that house. You got a truck? Never mind. I do feel like it's probably going to be pretty full up. I think there's a lot of pivoting to the right happening. Yeah. No, I'm going to pivot to, you know, this, I'm just like, honestly, maybe podcasting is not the way we do the revolution, but so long as people still listen, I'm going to try and have more activists and strategic thinkers on and actually just kind of get involved

like locally too. If we can't change California, what the fuck? We're not a blue state worth its salt. Look at Minnesota. Tim Walz may have lost but like the people of Minnesota won like they still get him. Yeah, so but we got our own fucking freak job, man. Gavin Newsome. And that's that's what we are around is we need a thing as bad as their thing. Right. What the you are completely homeless encampments like God he did it himself he did like that's the kind of energy we need I'm like you are so unserious please stop next door Anderson Cooper you know he's like can I get a wheelbarrow it's like no no this is someone's yard I don't care I'm throwing

this stuff away fuck fuck yeah yeah how do we punch down better? Teach us that. Teach us those punches the right way. Yeah. We want to do a sick lower cut, not an upper cut. But how do I? Undercut? Yeah, yeah. There's a magic punch you've never seen.

All right. Francesca, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. I just want to review some of the genres of post-election news story. You got the, you have to hand it to them. Trump and Elon Musk, blah, blah, blah.

We'll talk about the Americas shifted towards Republicans. And now the Democrats need to do that and be more like Trump. Woke is broke. Kamala Harris actually did good compared to how bad it could have been because other parties in other countries had similar results regardless. So, actually not so bad. And any other favorites that we want to talk about. We're going to talk about Trump's pick for borders are as horrible as you might expect.

Also originally got his job from the Obama administration, weirdly. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about things to be worried about in the upcoming presidential election, all of that, plenty more. But first Francesca, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Um, so there is a bill that could be passed this week that, uh, God damn it, if the Democrats do this, like I'm fully giving up on the party completely.

We're talking about the tax exempt status. Yeah, it's revoking the tax exempt status of any organization that's so-called supports terrorism. Obviously, this came up because of the anti-genocide protests and organizations like JVP, Jewish Voice for Peace, or if not now, other progressive Jewish groups, but also Muslim and Arab American groups. Anyway, fun. And I was like, let me just see if some of these right- wing organizations, like the actual terrorist organizations that like do domestic terrorism have tax exempt status and lo and behold, little pro public article. Yeah, the there, there are many different organizations like

the Oath Keepers had tax exempt status, American Patriot Vanguard, 3%. I don't even know what that was that a splinter from the 3%ers? I don't know, but a lot of them. So I was just sort of curious as to whether those groups that actually do terrorism have tax exempt status. Isn't that fun? Yeah, I know. They're going to be like, oh, that's crazy. That boomerang, huh? Pretty weird if they end up voting for... I don't know. I mean, I'm, God, when I saw that that was coming out, I was preparing for people to completely forget what is on the horizon. But I don't know.

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. I mean, if people are still listening to this in the morning, you know, you can still call your Congress person and tell them to vote no. But I do think it'll be very revelatory because this will just be handing Donald Trump. Not that he won't already try to revoke the nonprofit status of these groups and many, many others, but yeah, it'll just be handing it to him.

Yeah. Project Esther is part of project 2025 that whole plan to just basically attack, dismantle any voice of opposition to Israel's military campaign. Yeah, exactly. Any camp, any of them. Yeah. Yeah. Any of them, any of them.

What is something you think is underrated? I mean, talking to your neighbors, you know, like, yeah, there is a MAGA flag down the road, a piece, just like a few doors down, which I'm like, okay, girl. But I've been trying to exchange phone numbers with my neighbors lately, and these are people who I see walking their dogs and I've talked to and da, da, da, but I never got their number and whatnot. And so we'll see if little Franny gets a neighborhood dinner together or some kind of meetup.

But I definitely think it's important to find your direct community. And yes, those are the people that live around you. And again, not just through next door and being like, the homeless man's back again, you know, whatever the fuck. Right. But like really. I called the non-emergency line for the police station. Yeah.

Just like really talking to folks and like making a point. You know, Working Families Party is doing these things called, We're Worth Fighting For meetings. So, We're Worth Fighting For, worthfightingfor.org. WFP again, as a third party, they run many different candidates. I think they have like 70 candidates that won in this last election. Some of them are just Democrats, but others are WFP independents as well. So, you know, that kind of thing is like, how can we build more community because no one's coming to save us?

We have to be here for one another. Yeah. Yeah, it feels pretty, it's hard to be like, the Democrats are gonna figure this one out at this point. Yeah. Better not. They are actively and immediately finding ways to not figure it out or figure out the wrong lesson.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. I mean, do you feel like we're WFP or like other of these kind of smaller, more local parties like have the ability to build and like be a long-term solution in kind of- I think so. I think they have to be. And I think given that you've seen the discussion around the working people being abandoned

by Democrats, it's like, well, it's in the name, Working Families Party. And they are strategic, meaning they will endorse Democrats when it makes sense. They will go after seats that make sense to go after. It's not like they are just sort of ego-driven and simply against the two-party duopoly. They're really trying to run candidates. I mean, what's interesting, we had Maurice Mitchell of WFP on my show, The Bituation Room, and he was mentioning that, and I didn't know this, but Letitia James, District Attorney of Manhattan, was a WFP candidate originally and ran on a WFP line. And that's incredible to me. Now she's obviously, well, the right is threatening to put her in jail,

but TBD on that. But those kinds of things where you're like, oh, you imagine. Yeah. I mean, it's just like, either we get the Kirsten Sinema nut jobs who are like Randall DeGree in party line and then are accountable to literally no one. Right. No one. And then becomes a regular ass corporate Democrat. Or we really nurture candidates from the ground up. And I'm not sold in the Democratic Party. I'm not willing to say a week out from this election given the massive amount of rolling

over to say nothing of the massive failure that I would ever invest in them again. That being said, I understand elections are in four years. This is, there's very little time to build up an alternative. But if there's a moment to think about one, it's now. And again, WP doesn't necessarily not endorse the Democrat. There's a bar that has to be cleared. Yeah, there's a bar that has to be cleared and you have to... Everyone needs a political home right now. And I think it's important, especially

progressive leftists, socialists, there's not a lot of places you can feel like are your political home. So how do we build that? What does that look like? Yeah, because there's a schism coming. And I mean, it's happening right now but it's like it's about how which side is gonna be able to funnel that energy properly into whatever this next thing is because like you know as we're gonna talk about every every genre of post-election story is basically being like hey keep trusting us or you have people who've been like we need to fucking put that shit to bed in terms of like establishment Democrat policies.

Yeah, that's that's going to be very interesting to see how that sort of fight for who wants to be the home for, you know, disillusioned voters where that's going to happen. Whatever the solution ends up being, it's going to be incredibly unpopular with like the current Democratic establishment. Like that's one thing we can guarantee. like the current democratic establishment. Like that's one thing we can guarantee. It is currently a machine that is designed to convert like these sorts of like class-based frustration that we're talking about into like pro-market action,

political action, like that's what they do. And then like kind of just cover that up. So like they're built for this. They're built to like basically combat what's coming. They're built to lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, exactly. At all costs. They're built to lose and fundraise off the loss. Yeah. And then scare you into going back to them. And look, get, you didn't hear me arguing against voting for Harris. Not on, honestly, not on any issue. I was out there saying we have to vote for Harris, but you know, we all have our limits.

And being just a strategic, a moral, a political failure might be our limit, you know? Being such a toxic brand, your brand is weak, your brand sucks. Nobody likes your brand. You are the sketchers of political parties. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Okay. And my hamstrings have been very- My hair just slid out of and back into his shoes. With ease and comfort. No, but it's true. Yeah, no, it's- I mean, again, for most people, they were like, yeah, this is going to be a pinch your nose election. Hold your nose at the polls thing.

That's the problem. It's like, oh, God, fuck, dude. This is the best that we can do in terms of an alternative. And yeah, that's not the best thing. And under Biden, I mean, when Biden was elected, we were like, well, we're all wearing masks anyway, so not about holding your nose. Let's go. Smells great in here.

Hey, he says he's going to be a bridge. He says he's going to be a conduit. He's a transitional candidate. I'm sure he'll back away. He'll be an open primary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why is he doing that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why, why, why, why, why? Why is he glitching out? Shout out James Clyburn. Open Primary? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why is he doing that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why, why, why, why, why? Why is he glitching out? Shout out James Clyburn. What's something you think's overrated, Franchette? Oh, God, yes. I didn't mean for this to be so long, but it doesn't.

I do think that running on democracy is overrated. Threatening people with the loss of democracy is overrated in this country because our democracy is on life support. Our democracy has not delivered for people. Our democracy has been abused not just by Trump but by many many politicians whether it's from the amount of money that is festering in our democratic process to the fact that we've had stolen elections. Hello, year 2000.

2004, a lot of fuck shit went down with Bush's reelection. So you cannot sell the American people on a system they don't think is actually delivered for them. Democracy is only so good as you can actually deliver for people. And so you can't scare them anymore until they're like, you know what, I kind of like a good scare until everyone starts to get all Halloween about shit and is like, yeah, yeah, maybe we need authoritarianism and nasty

portations for my, the price of eggs to go down. Ooh, like, so I just think that is, it's very overrated. I wish it weren't, but case in point, how was Trump even able to run in the first place? Two states tried to remove him from their ballot and his own fucking hand picked Supreme court allowed it to, said that was illegal for them to do. People tried. We have a constitutional amendment that says you can't run for election if you incited an insurrection against the country.

So what the fuck good is our fucking democracy? And you sure as shit aren't gonna convince me, I'm sorry, to invest in this party that within 24 hours has rolled over for Donald Trump after you just said he was the greatest threat to our democracy. Well, act like it bitch. Act like it. Yeah, yeah. Where's that energy at? I thought you're not keeping the same energy. The only same energy I've seen is from the fundraising texts that are still coming in. And then you read that thing like, oh, y'all are broke.

We blew through a lot of money, man. Also, how? How? Where? Look, why? We were lying to Harris the whole time about how much money we had. We were in a lot of fucking trouble with some bad people. We paid way too many influencers to do terrible videos. Do not look at the cost of what it took to put that shit on the orb in Vegas. Yes. Oh my God. Yes.

Julie Roberts not cheap guys. Trump must've been so jealous of that. If there's one thing you can be sure of, he was like, fuck, that work was cool. It did seem like a lot of their campaign was just doing stuff that would piss Trump off. Like the Julia Roberts endorsement, like doesn't matter to anyone except Donald Trump, who is still stuck in the late 80s in New York City. And he doesn't even know her name. He just calls her Pretty Woman. Hold on, did Pretty Woman come out against me? Oh, fuck.

But yeah, I think you're exactly right. That like running on the current system is in, is under threat by the other guy was maybe exactly the wrong message. Right. Exactly. It makes your primary message at a time when everybody wanted change. Like that's all anybody cared about. And when your message is the current system is under threat,

he's going to dismantle the whole dang thing. And also the current system is better than you think it is. Yes, you can't say full things. That's going to fuck you real, real, real hard. And it did. Yeah. I mean, we have one of those things as, as it was happening. I felt like every week, we're like, oh no, the change.

It was so wild. It was like, that's like, that's not a good ad. That's not a good ad. Like you're saying if anything, it's like, yeah, the Republicans like what we're on. And you're like, oh, that's okay. Okay. The change stuff, like in addition to being just horrific and exactly like just a perpendicular, like exactly in the wrong direction for like what they should

have been doing from a international relations, you know, what, what, what our international policy was on the genocide in Gaza. have been doing from a international relations, you know, what, what, what our international policy was on the genocide in Gaza, it's just like, from an economic standpoint, like the big failure that happened that like started people down the path of being like, this whole thing needs to be fucking torn down. Like that, like made that realization, crystallized it in people's minds happened when he was running the cut, like it was widely

agreed that he was running the country at that time. And like, Well, and she voted with him 90% of the time Liz Cheney did, but honestly, let's be real, like the Republican Party bankrupting us from two plus wars in eight years of Bush is very relevant to the point where the Republican Party bankrupting us from two plus wars in eight years of Bush is very relevant to the point where the Republican Party now sees those former administration officials as bad for their brand because they understand

and it's just like I can't I can't I mean that was one of the first ways that Trump broke with the Republican establishment. 100%. It was like George Bush is a fucking disaster. Dick Cheney is a disaster. His brand obviously is much more like, we should have taken all the oil and let's go to war with the cartels. Let's put a lot of money on the table. They will go to war with the cartels, by the way. This will happen.

That'll be so good for us. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm really excited. It's like, what if like our like special forces are gonna start to be like as awful and disgusting and just like, well, we've got to create, you know, the whatever, you know, the MS-13 of the US military. Right, everything's just that way. It's like, well, we need our own MS-13.

Yeah. Yeah, they're called the police, dude. You can think of they're everywhere. You can do whatever. Do whatever you want. Do whatever you want. That does seem to be one of the big takeaways, which we'll talk about when we get back from this break. But the idea of like, well, he's a bad guy. Bad guys are exciting. We need our own bad guy. And it's like, so what now are we saying? Yeah. We should be evil. We should just be the evil in a different way. Eviler. Yeah.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. We're back. And yeah, so I just wanted to, you know, I feel like there are broad groupings of types of post-election news stories, genres of post-election news story that are damaging and sort of sending people down a unhelpful path. I think mostly the mainstream media response has been that with like a handful of stories being like, maybe it's the, maybe it's just the democratic party cratering because they didn't do the thing that their base has been telling them they needed to do for the past, I don't know, 10 years, maybe longer. But what one of them, and we got this in 2016, and I think it seems like we're getting it again, is the, you gotta hand it to them.

In 2016, it was, you gotta hand it to Trump and Bannon. And now it's gonna be, you gotta hand it to Trump and Musk. Like these guys, I mean, they already fucking- I mean, they worked with so little, with only all of the world's riches. They were able to do so much. Who would have thought with everything available to you, you could win an election. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So assuming that they knew exactly what they were doing all along, like Elon Musk knew Trump won before anyone actually voted on Tuesday because he has his magic app according to Joe Rogan. They're just like behind the scenes brilliant geniuses. This assumes that either of them could have been any other way in this election or ever at any point in their life, which they've never,

never not done exactly what they were doing. Like this is who they are because of the deep set of like moral catastrophes that are like their entire personalities are built on and all their very specific personality disorders that are happen to be cheat codes for the system that we're operating under. I think the thing that was incorrect, the assumption that was incorrect or was hopeful,

copium, cope cane in the lead up to the election was that it was harming them electorally. And in reality, in the very specific situation where they were the only alternative to a democratic party that insisted on doubling down with the establishment, like they were, they were right, like they could do what they were doing and anybody pointing out how fucked up what they were saying was, was just underlining that they were outside of the system, outside of the establishment. Giving them free press and drawing people to their very coherent, fascistic message of demonizing anyone who is other and white grievance. Yeah. It's wild though, like, you know, for the longest,

you know, since basically Biden took office, always talked about how, wow, now the Democrats are literally just, they're only stressing like, well, at least we're not them. At least we're not them. Hey, you see, these guys were not them. And the Republicans ran, again, that campaign was everything anecdotally you You heard was like, this shit is so

backwards. But the Republicans said, hey, at least we're not them. And people were like, yeah, at least you're not them. Like, yeah, that's how easy it was. It was really that simple. Like, aside from again, it's not that easy because there are definitely a huge, a disturbing amount of people that were totally bought in on going full fucking cruelty with this administration. But then again, there are people who have no idea who Liz Cheney is, no idea how like, like half these news stories didn't get to them. But merely they're like, yeah, at

least they're not them ended up working out and just the irony of that, rather than delivering something or at least giving people to say, this is how things can be different. That that didn't work. I don't know. It's just, it's a very cruel irony to watch play out in real time. But I think something that most people who observed it were like, this isn't a

good strategy, like that's not enough to just be like, Hey, we're not them. Yeah. Yeah. We're not. It should have been more like they not like us, right? Right. Right. As now Donald Trump is not. It should have been more like they not like us, right? Right, right. Thank you.

As now Donald Trump is not closing out to it. We just needed one more endorsement from Kendrick, and I feel like the Dems could have pulled through. Yeah, yeah. That's all it took. I'm shocked that they didn't get a Drake endorsement. I feel like that would have been so on point. And like just in keeping with their inability to not fuck up.

We got Ja Rule and Drake coming up, y'all. Ja Rule and Drake coming up, y'all. Ja Rule and Drake? Okay. That last second headliner that canceled at the DNC was actually Diddy, and they like found out what was coming. They're like, oh shit. Okay, yeah, that might not work.

Diddy, Drake, Collabo. Yeah, there's some, yeah, like the whole thing of, we must hand it to them is so disturbing. Because like to your point, Francesca, it truly does be like, well, I guess we got a we got to hug them now. That's that's all there is. And that kind of energy is so alarming to see again, based on what you're like, exactly how they were campaigned, like this is the end of the fucking everything

as you know it. Yeah. And then, yeah, all right, whatever. Because, and I think that also reveals to them too, because Democrats love all like the political, like, yo, guess what? I get more dollars when I have to be like, all right, man, how are we going to win this next one? Let me see those consulting dollars real quick. And that's when you become, I don't know, it's just so easy to become cynical if you're observing it, you know, in this way constantly because yeah. Yeah, exactly. Act like it hurts to lose and then we'll believe you when you say that you

must win. But when Joe Biden is out there saying Americans just chose a different vision, I'm sorry. You're not the leader of the party. You've never been a leader of the party. Honestly, like the whole week, it, this feels like the end of usual suspects. Spoiler. If you're an idiot. And as a spoiler for, yeah, skip ahead two minutes. If you don't want spoilers for the usual stuff. And it's pretty surprising because now like the, the person who ends up being a bad guy, like you're, you're never going to believe it these days.

Okay. Go ahead. Francesca. No, but just, just like, I think the election might've been called, you know, in 2021 at the end of that year, when it was so clear that Joe Biden was unable to deliver on his promises because he could not actually bring some of these corporate centrist Democrats in the Senate, like Manchin and Sinema to actually vote with him, wasn't able to apply pressure to get that, only gave

them concessions, and allowed a Senate parliamentarian to block raising the minimum wage via the reconciliation bills. For hindsight on how much ground we lost, Bernie Sanders' last book is very, very painful, but also really important to like, oh yeah, so much was squandered in those initial months. To say nothing of Merrick Garland actually going after Trump for the Jan 6th stuff. But again, presuming that none of that would have had an effect because nobody really cares about January 6th, just put that away. Actually delivering for the American people. And so my mind is like, I'm like there, you know, like Chas Palminteri, like watching the or Chad Palminteri watching like

all the little pieces of evidence. Yeah, I like Chad Chas Chas. Yeah. Did I get it right the first time? No, you did. I just got it feels like oh, it's like that's not a name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the mega Chas Palminteri. It's Chad Palminteri.

Exactly. I love I love this movie. The strong chin is Chad Palmetter. Exactly. I love this movie. Strong chin on Chad Palmetter. Oh, okay. Democrats won't replace Senate parliamentarian. Build Back Better gets scrapped for Inflation Reduction Act. Inflation rates skyrocket. Biden refuses to lower the interest rates until whatever, whatever. 2026 is only when the Medicare negotiations for drug prices will even kick in, like all of these things. And then you're like, oh, shit, we're going to lose. And then Biden's out there hobbling away and then his leg starts to straighten out.

And this bitch, that's actually him, you know, if I had money to do this sketch, I would, because this is what it's felt like. You could do it. I probably. You know, sketch, I would because this is what it's felt like. You could do it AI probably. Yeah, you actually probably could. I'm staring at, I'm glaring at myself. Sorry. AI is actually pretty tight. I don't know if you've heard about it, but...

Yeah, you could do all that. Watch, I'll probably cook some up by the end of the episode, you can check it out. But yeah, no, it is so, I mean, because you also look at the polling, like it was the highest when he's like, Hey, man, y'all need some checks, right? You'll need some material support. Yeah. And then everything that expired, it's like you can tie a fucking ribbon to like the polls going down with every with every bit of social safety net and every bit of support that was coming out dwindling and turning into

dust. And that's when it's like, yep. And we've hit bottom because now like y'all are on your own anyway. So I'm going to be running in a couple of years. So just a quick preview. Let's add like have this, this black woman run, pick my flaming pile of dog shit of a campaign off the ground. And if she doesn't win, we can all blame woke. Yeah, right. He threw up his hands and was like, what am I supposed to do? Like my hands are tied.

I'm only the president of the United States. And then we're surprised that they lost, he lost and his administration lost to a strong man who's like, I fuck that. You know, like, and then like one of the things that Trump indexed the best with is just like, can change things, can like do strong leadership, can do a strong leadership. Did you see those things? Like when AOC posted, like she asked people who split their ticket, why they did that and so many people were like, I don't know, Trump's different, but then I

voted blue so there people could put the brakes on whatever Trump tried to do. But like, that, like that thinking was so much like change it at the top, but at least put brakes in the form of a Democrat, like a voting in Democrats. And then it, yeah, it's just such a diff, completely different world that voters are living in. Then again, these consultants who are saying stuff like ignore the polling that says people don't understand that the Biden economy is not working for them. They're haters. They're haters. The Biden is actually good.

Yeah. There's so much of that. Oh, you're good. You're good. Don't worry about them. Don't worry about them. Go to, go to more of this. Don't worry. They're fucking, it's all fucking good. And that's what's like, so again, like this this new like the other genre of story that you see so much too is trying to go all in on well all that shit of like being considerate of people's needs and like marginalized groups that's all out the window that's fucking garbage that's nothing that doesn't that's again all so many of these arguments are just to avoid the fact that they weren't willing to really grapple with the real issues. And again, that both parties are beholden to capital. And so because of that, it's the Democrats, they come off as like firefighters that aren't allowed to use water or talk about water to like solve.

They're like, yo, bro. OK, man, we're going to put this fire out. Trust us. And everyone's like, yeah, man, water, water will help. They're like, ah, anything but that. Any other thing? Foam? Can we use some foam? Can we maybe use some chemicals to put it like, no, no, no, water. That's really good. And they're like, no, fuck that because that'll fuck up. Shut the fuck up. We can't talk about that solution because that actually, that upsets the entire balance of power that we're there to protect. So it just looks foolish. When on from the outside, you're like, deliver

for people are fucking hurting. But then the people that are running, there's a thing right on most people at the heights of democratic leadership, that they just do not understand there's a specific sense of pain and fucking hopelessness that comes along with being in a in a group of truly oppressed or marginalized people. That's something that your class and race typically insulates you from. Not to say that you are completely insulated just based on that. But for the people that rise to those heights, either they

maybe they experienced it for a little bit, but for too long, they have not felt that pain and hopelessness that normal, that regular people feel when they look at things like their income, how do they make sure their kids are going to be educated? What's their healthcare look like? All that shit. And it's a feeling of injustice that crushes you because you see no way to get that weight off. So acknowledging these forces is what brings people together in a powerful way that actually supersedes so many other versions of how people identify.

They're like, damn, yeah, I do feel that shit. There is something deeper that I'm feeling. But again, they only offer empty words of solidarity and then act super confused at the end of the day when none of that shit worked. And I just think that that's a huge part of another part of the disconnect that they're experiencing. Yeah, and I think the question is, what's the water, right? What can't we say? And I just think that that's a huge part of like another part of the disconnect that they're experiencing.

Yeah. And I think, you know, the question is like, what's the water, right? What can't we say? Is it economic populism or is it also being able to just name that this is not about left or right? This is about a, you know, a war between the haves and the have nots. This is class war. This is about billionaires versus the rest of us. And not being able to name corporate capture and not being able to name the billionaire class is, it's like, yeah, it's like, you're right, we're running this fucking campaign, like we're playing a game of taboo. And we have to, you know, avoid saying all the things that actually galvanize people.

And what's so frustrating is like, you allowed a party to win on perceived grievances, trans people in sports or whatever the hell, perceived grief, the white race in decline, men not having enough rights. When you have all of these legitimate grievances that are very real that you can't even name. I mean, I think the other thing about the Democratic party that I think, you know, Trump is awful, but he is at least honest about the amount of cynicism that Americans have about our country. The Democrats have to be honest about that

cynicism and about that desperation. Otherwise they're just in fucking la la land. And it feels like they're, they're not serious about anything. So that is just amazing to me. And again, not only that, but I don't know when we're going to talk about this, but your lessons from your James Carvilles and your Joe Scarboroughs and all these other fucking former Republicans, I don't know if Carville was, but might as well have been.

You know, it's like, well, we were too woke. So once again, you're going to hit the already oppressed communities again and again and again and again. And you're like, leave them is what the message leave them, leave them behind, leave them behind. No, yeah, fuck. No, no, no. It's wild that they Yeah, they were running in a campaign that if you focused on corporate capture corporations and billionaires, like billionaires are the most obvious bad guys, and you're running against a billionaire. Yes.

Who is more funded by billionaires than ever, and you just squandered that opportunity. Not even naming. There are some things that the Democrats do where they'll name a thing that they know is bad, like racism and, you know, and, but then, or like they'll say hope and change and actually not do hope and change, but like they wouldn't even say the billion, like other outside of like the Sanders campaign, they wouldn't even really make that a focus, you know? Like they just wouldn't do it because it's too damaging to the donors.

And so they outraised allegedly and got completely killed. Yeah. And obviously, I don't know how much we can talk about it, but it's like, you know, you look at the numbers, the numbers aren't that crazy. It wasn't a, you know, it wasn't a sweep. It was just a couple million people not showing up. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, that's another one that we've kind of talked about a lot already, but would love to have your, you know, the America has shifted towards Republicans and now Democrats need to start being cruel to minority groups. Right. That seems to be a big genre. mean, only Trump wants diet stuff, it's like, but nobody else wants the diet version. I mean, meaning Coke, I can't make that joke work, but you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just nobody- Diet Coke, we actually call that crack. Right. Exactly. Yeah, that's a push of T-bar. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back, we'll talk about who Trump bar. All right. Let's, uh, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.

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And Peloton instructor and Ratchet Mom Club founder, Kirsten Ferguson. And I remember going. We're back. We're back. And wait, Francesca, are you actually, do you have some belief in the like stolen election conspiracy theories? If I'll say this, if some actual evidence came out, I go go on, I'm listening. Yeah, yeah, of course. It's all about the actual evidence. I mean, I'm someone who doesn't, I think that the truth does matter. Right?

Like, so I'm someone who I'm a leftist who thinks that the democratic party used the Russia stuff as an excuse, but I also believe the Russia stuff was real, the Donald Trump president, uh, campaign colluded with Russia, backchanneled through Roger Stone and Paul Manafort, who met with Julian Assange. That stuff is real. It is real. The NRA was a funnel for massive amounts of dark money from Russian oligarchs into the Trump coffers. Whatever. I think it's important. The problem was when you're like, why did I get her started on this? The problem was when Republican Robert Mueller was seen as this fucking hero, this bitch

not going to do anything. He found that there was a collusion and he recommended no penalty because he's the president ultimately at the end of the day. So that's my thing is like no matter us finding the truth, maybe there was Starlink satellites doing some weird stuff. Shouldn't we know how much and to what extent and if this is ridiculous or not, that doesn't take away from the fact

that this still was a loss from the Democrats. I mean, Greg Palace investigative journalist always says you have to overwhelm the steel as Democrats. You have to, you know the voters are going to get purged, namely black Americans in the South are going to be barred from voting. You've got to vote so much that you overwhelm the steal. But that's very unjust at the end of the day.

If things were stolen, we should know. So yeah, I'm like 5% in at this point, but if I see more evidence. Yeah, with the Russia stuff, I feel like it's similar to some of the things we were talking about earlier with Democrats poisoning their own brand where like there was, it did prove the incredible power of social media and like all these, you know, back channels and just like things that aren't evident to the mainstream media or just like evident to people at all that are happening on social media that

are really hard to police. But it became the Russia stuff, you know, and like Mueller, you know, fucking up the investigation. And ultimately it becomes something that like doesn't actually hold water as like a thing that the Democrats can complain about or focus on. And I think we're now in a place with this world of tech oligarchs having a huge part in the election that just happened. Also, we know every accusation is a confession. So when Marjorie Taylor Greene is like, the Rothschild space laser or, you know, Sidney Powell was saying like

Italy gate where satellites flip votes for, you know, from Trump to Biden in 2020. And you're like, that's so silly. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why are they saying that? Where's this coming up? I'm remembering that. They're not that imaginative.

Right, right. So two satellite overthrow election. Yeah. All right. So just in terms of like some things to keep our eye on in the coming Trump administration. Hooman. Hooman. Hooman.

Hooman. Hooman. I'm calling him Hooman. Yeah. Oh, I like it. Use a hooman. Obviously, the mass deportation promise that the Trump administration has made like day one is near the top of everybody's list.

And Trump has announced that his borders are will be Tom Ho man, his former acting head of ICE, who was quote, one of the architects behind the family separation policy, he began heading ice during the Obama administration, which is when the Obama administration broke all sorts of deportation records. And he had previously said that if Trump is reelected, they had seen shit yet. Wait until 2025. Oof. They ain't seen shit.

Yeah. I told him that at a dinner. Yeah. There's always more scum in the Trump orbit that usually, again, scum from other administrations, Biden administration had scum too, but it's so funny that this person was part of the Obama administration and helped him deport, be the deporter in chief, which by the way was all a product of the fact that he wasn't willing to dismantle what George W. Bush had created and set up post war on terror.

Like if he had done that, then it, the, the, the mechanisms to deport people wouldn't have been there. But I digress, you know, I've been debating right wingers and they'll all be like, you know, Piers Morgan will say to me, well, Obama was the deported in chief. And I was like, yeah, and that was bad. And then you turn around and embrace the same guy. And again, this is just, it is, it's laughing in all of our faces. There is no left, right.

There is no blue, red. These are the same ghouls day in and day out. And yeah, they're working against the majority of us. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, coupling that too with like Stephen Miller, Teenage Mutant Ninja Gerbils own fucking quotes would be like, there's gonna be a turbocharged operation

to denaturalize people, which is, my mother is a naturalized American citizen. You know what I mean? Like many, many of us who have immigrant parents, they are, they are naturalized U S citizens, and that is a very grim thing to like wrap your head around about being like, what the fu- I know. And like, I think, and a lot of people who voted are doing things like, well, they're going to go after the bad people first.

Right. First. Right. And then they, they're going to go after the bad people first. Right. First. Right. And then they, then they make their way down the list. I mean, unless they are going to deport Melania, in which case there's, that's a great, maybe policy for Trump's divorce or whatever. But that's like, that is the, just the, it's like the hard truth of it all. That like having to really wrap your mind around these things is really fucking, it's unsettling.

Like having to really wrap your mind around these things is really fucking, it's unsettling. And for all the people too, whose, whose families come here in whatever capacity they do and to think of how that's going to completely destroy that, I think is something that we're, I don't know. It's also feels like one of those policies where Republicans are like, yeah, we're going to do that. And they're like, wait, that's my wife. Elaine Chao.

Bye. Right. Right. Exactly. Uh, he's suggested that politicians who limit cooperation with ice should be You know what I mean? They're like, oh? Elaine Chao. Bye. Right. Right. Exactly. He's suggested that politicians who limit cooperation with ICE should be charged with crimes, publicly warned immigrants you should look over your shoulder and you need to be

worried and sometimes referred to undocumented immigrants as, quote, tunks while he was in Washington. According to two former DHS officials, people familiar with the term say it is border patrol slang that comes from the sound made when hitting someone over the head with a flash lighter baton. So he denied using the term and said he hadn't heard it in years. Oh, that is such a weird denial. I know.

Hi, did you, sir, did you use the N word? Why? I haven't heard that in years. Weeks. Huh? He said in front of Congress, you should look over your shoulder. Like, this is what I'm saying. These motherfuckers relish in the fascism. They're so excited to do this stuff.

Yeah. And the, the, the is, remember the first administration, we were all like, okay, well, the silver lining is he's disorganized, you know, and he wishes he were Mussolini or Hitler in the way that it was like- And everybody getting in line, right. As if the trains are gonna run on time.

First of all, number one, what trains in America? But number two, you know, like everyone thinks, it will be chaotic, but also you don't have to be chaotic. Cruelty is the point. The point isn't necessarily to be exacting. It is to be cruel. It is to my earlier point to be a gang. It's like, no, we're gonna be a narco state as well.

We're gonna be the kleptocratic. And they're gonna be scared of us. Yeah, and if it also means open season on, you know, minutemen or people on the border who are militia, who happen to take matters into their own hands, because they're waiting for the Trump administration to staff up to say nothing of the kinds of people who would then be folded into CBP,

as if CBP is not already a reckless, lawless organization in and of itself with some of the most extremist members. I know this is very depressing. It's too hard to talk about it, but you know, yeah, no, right. It buckled all your neighbors. Yeah, it's, and it truly is like, I feel like some of the quotes that you hear to truly do feel just they are, they want to exert as much stress and fear, or inspire as much fear from people as possible.

And like part of you like, that's, that's, is that rhetorical? And then you're like, no, this person is pretty bout it. Like in terms of like what their entire career has spelled out and that they were like too extreme for some organizations and now are like finding a home in the Trump organization, it's yeah. Uh, it's. Yeah. You're just speechless, you know, and I think that's going to be a really interesting part too, is to see how many people are able to connect the cruelty policy wise to what happened in this election.

Or if some people are going to, I mean, that's the thing is like, how many people are going to be able to look at what's happening and either explain it away in their head so they don't have to engage with it or actually begin to understand like the actual threat that this poses for everyone. Cause I think America still has that thing where like all of the terrible shit in our society is like mold on the corner of a bread loaf. But people live on the opposite end of the bread loaf. And they're like, yeah, that shit's over there. That's for them. Without understanding how mold proliferates and eventually reaches you.

But do you eat the other side of the bread though? Yeah, right. On this show, we do believe that you eat the other side of the bread. I believe in just, yeah, you just like cut off the moldy part. Yeah, cut it off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe we can. I mean, yeah, Florida, bye. Yeah. Or it off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we can. I mean, yeah, Florida.

Bye. Yeah. Or just, yeah, I mean, just understanding how these policies are going to intersect with people's lives. And like, I also just, it's also really disheartening to hear. I understand the anger people feel and they're like, well, I hope you get every single thing that you wanted. Blue MAGA. Yeah. And yeah. And it's just going to be like, most people are going to experience some form of huge disruption and pain because of what is happening. So rather than like, don't think you're going to be fine just because you're a Democrat or some shit, like that's completely absurd. And I think more people need to actually kind of think about what that means, like how we're going to have to like protect each other. Not to say we need to go hug our MAGA neighbors, but that

the actual support we need to offer each other as human beings, that is going to be much more pronounced than previous eras that we've lived through. But it's crazy because it's like I have neighbors, you know, two doors down who I was saying like, well, I don't know if I told you guys that has a MAGA flag and like their daughters will sometimes sit for my kid. And I'm just like, oh no. And I didn't see that, you know, the MAGA flag. The girls aren't responsible, obviously. But then right in front is like, you know, this Latino elder Latino man.

And I'm like, I just checked in with him to see what's going on. If he's good. He's yeah, you know, everyone's nervous. You know, the California is just full of like, just full of mixed status families in terms of immigration. And so it's like, in one block, you can have that kind of dissonance. And so I'm yet to approach the MAGA neighbor to say, hey, if you need anything, if the tariffs really come down hard on you or- Yeah. Right. I know this could be really bad for you. Yeah. I mean, I'm thinking of all the homeowners trying to get like,

their second homes remodeled, but there's going to be no day laborers to hire once they're all deployed. Think about them, you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. You think this is just bad for you, think about them. We wanted a Cape Cod farmhouse type thing and now we're just gonna have to deal with this ranch style home.

Yeah. Jesus. Well Francesca, it's been wonderful having you on the show as always. Thank you so much for coming on and talking about these difficult things at this difficult time. You're always so smart and really appreciate it. I feel like I got smarter

and maybe a little bit more hopeful having you on. So thanks for, thank you for doing it. Where can people. Your face right now. Well, I feel bad because I'm like, well, I ranted so much. We only got to a couple of stories, but. No, I mean, but this is. We always have more stories.

This is where we're at. This feels like there's so much shit in flux right now. I don't know how, like, we, like, everyone just needs to articulate whatever they're feeling. I think that's the only way through this very early period that we're in. So yeah, I mean, what, I mean, yeah, we can focus on more of the specific horrible shit that's up the road, but yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what I'm just like, you know, everybody needs to find something that's like generative and makes them feel good. Like even moments where you're not, you, I mean, plug into the news,

listen to this show, listen to my show, the bituation room. I was going to plug that because you were leading to that. Bituation room, trying to have like comedians and experts and activists on, but also like do shit that like is good for you and your people around you. I feel like that we have to reclaim that. Well, also resisting, but not in, I don't know, in a way that feels healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any, anything else? Any, any other places people should go to check you out? This has a bituation room.

Yeah. Just follow me on the socials. Franny, Fio, F-R-A-N-I-F-I-O. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? I found something. There's- Yay. Usually it's Instagram these days, but it is from Inside History, lots of followers. This one's for me really. Female frogs fake death to avoid unwanted attention from males

And it's just a frog like like just like eye rolling up like looks like it's turning gray and I Love that. I love the idea that you would just try to die before some guy approached you in a bar. It's like Start joking on your own spit, or just like have a heart attack. No, that would only incur like him to try to save you. I know, I was like, does that work for the frogs? I feel like- Holy shit, dude,

did you take cyanide, lady? Yeah, but the idea of trying, yeah. I mean, I like, I guess my version of that would be kind of to act crazy, like very erratic. Like if you're walking home late at night and you're a woman and you're alone, just do a little zigzagging, little weird zombie movements. No one's going to fuck with you.

Yeah. Yeah. But good on frogs. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, Blue Sky even. Yes. Miles of Gray, even Miles of Grey.

However you find that, follow me there. I've literally haven't started following people there, but you gotta make sure you're diversified in these social media days. Also find Jack on the basketball podcast, Miles and Jack on Mad Boosties, and you can find Sophia, Alexandra, and I talking about 90 Day Fiance,

as you kind of heard in the last episode, on 420 Day Fiance. You know, in terms of like media, I'm just really just watching music, watching a lot of musical performances, art, self-expression. So the Colors show is always a great watch on YouTube and you always find amazing artists doing that.

So just do that. Cause honestly, social media, like I can't, like it's fucking ridiculous right now. The color show. Is this something you enjoy your little one? Yeah, because it's cool. It's just like, it's just a live looks like artists performing in front of like, like a one color backdrop. And it's just them on a mic. And it's just super

simple. But usually, like, when the performances are good, they're so good, because it's because you can just see their energy as a performer in a way that's just very simple and easy to understand. I love it. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at jack underscore o'brien. Tweet I've been enjoying, Kate Lull, oh no,

tweeted, kettle chips are great because the crunch is louder than my thoughts. And I think that's a useful tool for all of us to have in our arsenal. You can find Arsenal, Miles. There's one for you. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist. On Instagram, we have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? Again, I'm in my West Coast bag. I'm in my LA bag. Dochi is such a dope artist who's killing it right now. Their new album is out too. We went out on a track I think Nissan Altima a while back, but she also did a Colors Show performance of her song Stressed and that one again people don't realize how lyrically nice Dochi is you must get familiar because she is spitting magma okay that's that's heat

rocks so this is Stressed a Colors Show magma magma m-a-g-m-a yes molten rock uh yes this is stressed from a colors show uh it's available for most streaming platforms but really check out the youtube version because when you watch her like actually rap it's trans it's it will it will you will it's transported you will go to its transcendence okay you will go somewhere else anyway stressed dochi a color show check it out D O E C H I I all right we will link off to that in the footnotes we will also link off to our YouTube channel where our YouTube episodes can yes yes the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of IHeartRadio.

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