The Daily Zeitgeist - Fixing Those "Horny" Teddy Bears, Improving The Oscars 2.09.22

Episode Date: February 9, 2022

In episode 1081, Jack and guest co-host Jacquis Neal are joined by co-host of Like A Virgin, Fran Tirado to discuss Oscar Nominees Are Out Which Means TDZ Looks Back At The Oscars from 5 Years Ago, Ne...w “Horny” Build-A-Bears Are Nothing New (and Not That Horny), Maus is Now a Bestseller Thanks to That Ban and more!  Oscar Nominees Are Out Which Means TDZ Looks Back At The Oscars from 5 Years Ago New “Horny” Build-A-Bears Are Nothing New (and Not That Horny) Build-A-Bear just launched an 'After Dark' series of horny teddy bears Yowza! Build-A-Bear Launches a Horny Teddy Bear Line Build-a-bear launched a range of horny teddy bears and we're confused Maus is Now a Bestseller Thanks to That Ban The Inside Story of the Banning of “Maus.” It’s Dumber Than You Think. Banned books week: How the blacklist can goose a book’s sales LISTEN: Scottie Pippen by Mick Jenkins & serpentwithfeet Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:30 I'm Jess Costavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:00:56 or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture.
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Starting point is 00:01:52 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 223, episode three of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it's Wednesday, February 9th, 2022. My name is Jack O'BrienA. his name is Joe Burrow. He is kind of a dork. He is so ice cold. He's got Petey Davidson eyes. That is courtesy of Falcon Fuckhat.
Starting point is 00:02:36 It is based on my theory that Joe Burrow and Pete Davidson have the same eyes. It's not really a theory. Observation. Opinion. Maybe. It's a roast. It Not really a theory. Observation. Opinion. Maybe. Just a roast. Not a roast. They're both like I have a theory that
Starting point is 00:02:49 this is the direction that people seem to want hot dudes to head is to kind of have those buggy Pete Davidson Joe Burrow eyes in some cases. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined by that voice you just heard. Today's very
Starting point is 00:03:06 special guest, co-host, and award-winning podcast host, or writer, podcaster, producer, voice artist. And even though it's not one of his written credits, one of my favorite singers, also my wordle twin, although he's getting better. I think he's better than me now, so not so much
Starting point is 00:03:21 twin. Aspirationally, my twin. And not, again, not one of his written credits which i'm a little insulted by it is jakees neo and i sing because I'm new. His eye is on the side guy. And I know Jack watches me. Jack watches Me Ooh As my good friend Joe Rogan
Starting point is 00:04:10 Likes to say What up niggas How y'all doing Yes The N word for me And Joe Rogan only baby That's how we do it Yeah you said he's allowed to say it.
Starting point is 00:04:25 I did. You know, people, that part of the news cycle didn't come. You know, they trying to, it's because it's Black History Month. They don't want me to be blamed for it. So I appreciate it. But I did give him the card. Let me shut up for, you know, the black people that listen to the daily. It's like, guys guys come in my door.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Yeah. We rolling up on Joe Rogan. We gonna shoot him, y'all. We gonna shoot him with kindness. It's okay in Texas, right? That's allowed. Is that where he is? He's in Texas?
Starting point is 00:04:55 I think he fledged to Texas after being like, L.A. changed. And he was talking about Calabasas and like living on a compound where the only people he saw were like the weird white supremacists that he invited to his podcast. He was like, what's going on? LA is different now. Yeah. Anyways, Jaquise, we are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined by the host of the wonderful new podcast, Like a Virgin. They are striking an intellect and wit, according to Las Culturistas, a queer champion, according to the New York fucking Times. Please welcome the hilarious, the talented Fran Tirado!
Starting point is 00:05:35 Oh, I thank you. Thank you for having me. I will say, without any context, this is quite a rollercoaster ride of an introduction to a podcast. I feel like i know everything about y'all and also nothing so yeah i mean you know this is amazing thank you i appreciate that i appreciate that it only it's only when i'm here i think this is only when the n-word is dropped on the daily zeitgeist yeah yeah you know i i have i i um i feel like that speaks for itself but the thing that i wanted to comment on was, or rather ask, is what celebrity's eyes do I have? Oh, that's a great question.
Starting point is 00:06:11 Let's see. If this is what you're going for, if you're trying to paint a picture for the viewer. I mean, look, I'm seeing a little bit of, I'm seeing a little Freddie Mercury eyes. Little Freddie Mercury eyes. Or maybe some maybe some bruno mars eyes beautiful i don't know if this is insulting to you or not but i mean as a compliment both are very flattering both are very i was gonna say my favorite stand-up comedian che diaz oh yeah i mean i get shady as a lot honestly truly like an insufferable Instagram narcissist,
Starting point is 00:06:45 a Latin non-binary podcaster, I am suing, okay? Like, absolutely a plagiarization of my life and the podcast into Hollywood pipeline. What the fuck? Yeah, I get it. I was insulted for you, and this is the first time we've ever met.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Thank you. I'm here to hold Sex and the City accountable to that. Please do. Thanks for having me. That's why I'm here. The Daily Zeitgeist, the heroes we need and deserve, everyone. We do like to front load just a lot of information out of context to just have our guests really off balance and our listeners. It's like hazing.
Starting point is 00:07:26 balance and our listeners just, you know, we, it's like hazing. We like to, you know, make sure that our listeners feel only the one, only the true heads last through the first five minutes. Oh yeah. Fran, are you watching and just like that? Are we watching? Yes. Oh my God. Religiously. I'm not just watching, but I'm, it's like appointment television. And I listened to not one, but two podcasts about, and just like that every single episode. So, um, I am, do you enjoy it? You know, everybody who I know watches it, hates it there. I'm like, why are you watching it? But I guess that's why we watch euphoria too. So, you know, enjoy.
Starting point is 00:08:02 That's a, that's a complicated word. It's, I don't know if anybody would really be able to answer that question specifically. However, I will say it's very fun to talk about. And I have been unable to think about literally anything else. So I mean, that at least it has in its favor and the testament to the writing, I can say i'm i'm definitely on a ride i guess that's what i will say we talk about it a lot on i'm like a virgin so i love it i could i could talk about it for hours but i'll spare you all yeah and let's give uh the listeners kind of an idea of what like a virgin is like beyond being a and just like that fan cast what you know what do y'all talk about yeah it's it's it's a mix of things but me and my co-host rose dom you we kind of like unpack pop culture from your um with a lens from today so you know we'll take a deep dive into something like buffy with a guest that you know is writing book on Buffy. And we'll talk about what it meant to, you know,
Starting point is 00:09:05 a kind of a group of people that see it as a cult classic. And then how we think about it today with like the Joss Whedon of it all, or like the way that those actors were treated on set or, you know, like deep diving into Harry Potter and then talking about J.K. Rowling's transphobia, things like that. And so our kind of goal is to just like take things that have long been in our cultural historical lexicon and I guess like talk about them in a modern context, but also just we're very irreverent and trolly and funny and we like to make fun of things. And so, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:40 It's a great show. People need to go check it out. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, yeah. I love that. Well, Fran, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we'd like to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. The Oscar nominees were announced yesterday morning, which means the Daily Zeitgeist will look back at the oscar nominees from five years ago i i have a thing i i think that the oscars should be given five years after the fact so we get all the you know over excitement and the oscar campaigns out of our system and like see what what movies lasted and had an impact
Starting point is 00:10:21 so we're going to talk about the nominees from the year 2017 celebrating the movies of the year 2016 and uh also the winners and it's it's kind of a weird one because it's one of the very few times where i think most people agree they got best picture right is that the moonlight la la yeah that's right it's the moonlight la la like they were so surprised that they got it right that they gave it to la la land for a couple minutes but yeah so we'll talk about that i'm gonna pitch a couple new categories for the oscars because they're always talking about like we need to make this more fun to watch and their only strategy seems to be nominating marvel movies for best picture or
Starting point is 00:11:02 like that seems to be the only thing that anyone's really proposed in the mainstream media. So I want to talk about categories that might be fun. And then we will do a quick look at this year's NOMs. We're going to talk about banned books, Mouse being banned and seeing its sales skyrocket. We are going to talk about the new horny Build-A-Bear. Hopefully we will get to that because it's just it's not as horny as it needs to be and we love that my opinion we we are a sex positive podcast especially when it comes to build-a-bears yeah always been our policy but before we get to any of that frame we do like to ask our guest what is something from your search history oh um i have been binging america's next top model for the first time and the last thing i was on was jay manuel's wikipedia page he's the
Starting point is 00:11:56 makeup artist and creative director he's kind of one of the three like hosts of the show do y'all watch american america's next top model or have you watched it before i've watched i i've like i did a reality show podcast last year and one episode was dedicated to america's next top model the tyra banks screaming episode uh tiffany be quiet tiffany um yes yes yes it's it's amazing it's it's so funny to watch the show now because like if it were made today would be shut down immediately but like it really did invent an entire genre of reality tv so i i have been just retroactively i guess deep diving into things like j manuel love it yeah what are you learning about j manuel well i had no idea that he was biracial first of of all, I just thought he was, you know, got that LA tan or something.
Starting point is 00:12:46 I thought, or I thought maybe he was Mexican, which he's not. And so, yeah, his parents survived apartheid and he was, I guess, adopted in the United States.
Starting point is 00:12:55 So, so much from his background that I didn't know about, but I was also learning that like he was Tyra's makeup artist forever. And that's how he got the gig. And he originally wasn't supposed to be a part of the show. He was just going to do Tyra's makeup. forever and that's how he got the gig and he originally wasn't supposed to be a part of the show he was just going to do Tyra's makeup but then he you know inevitably got folded into the what it is
Starting point is 00:13:12 today and was such a natural part of reality TV so I thought it was I love learning about it even though the show is so so problematic now I bet I mean because when what was that like 2000 like early 2000s right like 2003 four somewhere around there is where you started it's why i could it's wild we're
Starting point is 00:13:31 gonna do an a whole episode on it on like a virgin but like the level of like absolutely unhinged things that they did to these girls, psychological warfare, honestly, to these 18-year-old girls. And a lot of gaslighting needed to kind of convince them that what they were doing was completely normal. Right. It gamifies all of the problematic things about the modeling industry and makes it into just a game
Starting point is 00:14:01 where that's how you win. I watched one season because a friend of mine was a contestant and she did well, but she, you know, bailed after. She got knocked out and never did any modeling or anything. She became a lawyer. But that's definitely, I don't know if becoming a lawyer is good for anyone, but she seems happy.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Yeah, exactly. Probably a little bit more stable. But yeah, they're just straight up talking about the things that people are like, should the modeling industry be this way? And they just straight up make it into a game, right? Yeah, it's absolutely bzonkers. But that said,
Starting point is 00:14:51 excellent television. That's why we watch reality TV. We want... If it wasn't no drama, if it wasn't any shit, then we would be like, I don't know about that. We wouldn't
Starting point is 00:15:05 want to watch it we wouldn't want to watch it we would watch american idol absolutely which even american idol is kind of problematic in many ways as far as they treat like their talent at least it used to be back in the day so justice for jennifer hudson honestly yeah yeah we were going to talk about the oscars. Justice for Jennifer Hudson again. Yeah. Oh, she didn't get nominated for Aretha. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:15:30 Damn. Damn. How dare they? Does American Idol still do the thing where they have the person on who's struggling with a mental health crisis and then the judges just kind of smirk through it? Is that still happening? Probably. I haven't watched American Idol since Taylorlor hicks shout out taylor hicks wait i think me too i think that was also my last season maybe that was just the last season period and we actually don't know yeah we don't really have no way of verifying whether that was the last season. So I guess we'll just,
Starting point is 00:16:05 we'll never know. History. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there. Taylor Hicks, the last American idol. Taylor Hicks win. Is that why you guys stopped watching as a protest of Taylor Hicks winning?
Starting point is 00:16:18 I actually liked Taylor Hicks. I mean, there were more talented people in that season who have had a career beyond Taylor Hicks had a career. But I like Taylor Hicks. Oh, like, really can't sing, but it's really entertaining. Old gray head, salt and pepper. I fucked with Taylor Hicks, but he was not the best one.
Starting point is 00:16:37 He should have been eliminated like week eight. Right. Yeah. I'm from Chicago and we used to watch that as a family. And so, oh, my gosh, no way. Okay, so like really the person who wins American Idol is usually the one with the most Midwestern appeal or like middle of the country appeal. Anyone that's not in New York or LA, like that's the person that wins American Idol. I feel like Taylor Hicks was the kind of most palatable star that could have come out.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Absolutely. Cause he was up there singing easy like Sunday morning. My grandma was like, Ooh, Sunday morning. Ooh, let me listen to this church man. She don't know the song. Fram, what's something you think is overrated? I was noodling on that. I really couldn't think of anything this morning that was overrated except for um urinals i i i just i think that urinals are an unfinished idea
Starting point is 00:17:35 i don't really know why we use them i i don't you when you go when you go to pee in a urinal it splashes back on your pants bro like it's it's, it's totally gross. And it only saves you a few seconds of time. But like, I think that like efficiency culture and like how we've like been taught to like make the most out of like every second is like so asinine and it's so much more relaxing to just sit on the toilet and piss, just, just piss sitting down. You know what I mean? sit on the toilet and piss. Just piss sitting down. You know what I mean? Yeah. Now, listen, I'm with you, Fran, on the peeing and sitting down. I am an advocate. If I'm at the crib, my ass cheeks hitting the toilet seat as much as they possibly can.
Starting point is 00:18:17 But if I'm in the public- That's just general policy. That's just general politics. But if I'm in the public, everybody else peeing on that toilet seat, I don't know if I'm trying to sit on every, which look, is male privilege because we don't have to sit down on every toilet seat when we use the restroom. But I do agree with you. Urinals are. Unfinished ideas. It's true. They never, they just like put it, they came up with the idea in theory and then put it in every restroom around the world and never took another look at it.
Starting point is 00:18:49 If you had never heard of it before and someone said, you're going to piss on this hole in the wall right next to someone else. Like, I just would never, I would never want to do that. And like, yeah, I mean, brown kid culture, yeah, we're taught, like our moms teach us to hover over the toilet seat but like your ass is already dirty just right just true just you know bring bring little wipes everywhere you go you'll be fine i don't know i don't know if you know this friend but i'm known around these parts as the cleanest ass in america he takes so much pride in it so much pride and no germs being on my cheeks oh wow i also think i also think urinals this is probably a stretch but i also think the actual urinal too is a product of just dudes being toxic a little bit like i agree because because i you're
Starting point is 00:19:44 from chicago i don't know if you've ever been to wrigley field or not oh yeah but but so you know those bathrooms just used to be a big ass open bucket where everybody trough a trough right which is what i think they used to be before they became you and people were just like i don't want i'm touching elbows with this person and people looking down at my junk. And so they tried to separate them instead. But I think a trough is even better because it's way down. Yeah. It's basically like you're pissing on the ground.
Starting point is 00:20:10 No splashback. No splashback. No splashback. I think we should go back to all troughs. We should go back to troughs. Troughs for everything. Troughs for every bathroom experience. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:20 Great. Yes. Awesome. We're so good at ideas. yes awesome we're so good at ideas i i feel like the urinal cake industry is what's keeping urinals around urinal cake and those like plastic things that they have to put there to like doesn't splash guards doesn't remove the splash but it's i guess it like cuts back on it yeah it gives me a hole to aim it and it it also, you know, makes the piss smell like, you know, like a clean piss. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Yeah, which is always nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. What a great overrated. That is an all-time great overrated. What is something that you think is underrated? Underrated. You know, I don't want to insult this cultural entity by calling it underrated but i
Starting point is 00:21:06 will say not enough people are watching abbott elementary have y'all heard of this show i haven't ever much it's one of my favorite first of all yes black black sitcoms are back and it's beautiful abbott elementary is truly one of my favorite new shows that i've seen in a long ass time it's so good have y'all talked about it on the show already? We haven't, no. Oh, it's amazing. I mean, basically the gist is it's a Philadelphia elementary school that is kind of Parks and Rec
Starting point is 00:21:32 slash The Office style mockumentary. And all these teachers are just basically trying to improve the education of these kids in very funny ways. And it kind of exposes and pokes fun at how underfunded literally all schools are and how they don't have the budget to do anything and it's i mean like to a comical degree that they have to like go to great lengths to try and get these kids you know new rugs or like a a
Starting point is 00:21:59 gifted program or things like that yeah what do you think about it it first of all it's office like but with black folks uh centered in the middle which is really cool to see and i the thing i love about it is the writing is so specific and so funny and everybody on that cast is eating everybody janelle james is fucking eating tyler christopher what he is uh or what's what's i always forget tyler something williams i should know that everybody loves chris or hates chris tyler he's fucking eating like he's a genius his deadpan look everybody on that show if if multiple people don't win emmys on abbott, there's a flaw in the system because they're all so good as a cast and ensemble. And that's what I love most about it is the ensemble is very strong
Starting point is 00:22:51 and mixed so well together that I think it's one of the best shows in the new, you know, freshman class of TV. Tyler James Williams, I have to call that man Tyler Christopher Williams. I mean, yeah, the show is incredible. It also has, even though there's no explicitly queer characters, it has a queer appeal because Chessie from The Parent Trap is in it. And Chessie was, you know,
Starting point is 00:23:13 a lesbian awakening for so many baby gays back in the day. And she looks exactly the same. And her character is so funny too. But yeah, just as you were saying, like every character is so rich and it also digs up these archetypes from your past life that you never thought about. Like the school nurse and like their deal
Starting point is 00:23:32 and like how they're so over it, you know? Like it was, it's such, there's such funny archetypes in this school, you know, from the principal to the janitor. And I just like, it's nonstop fun. Every joke is funny and the casting is sublime. It's so good. Watch it.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Watch it, everybody. Damn. It definitely feels like it's getting a lot of love from, it's definitely on my list. I just haven't watched, I haven't taken the time to put it into my DVR, but it definitely feels like it's getting the sort of love that like the prestige,
Starting point is 00:24:08 like HBO shows, like the people who are usually talking about those shows are talking about this. Uh, which I mean, that's, that's big for a, for a network.
Starting point is 00:24:17 I feel like networks, not just this year, but like, it's been, it's been a while since they kind of hit one that everybody was like, yes. That's why I said underrated. Cause I was, anything on network television, people aren't watching that. It's super underrated, but a lot of people are starting to get in that word of mouth.
Starting point is 00:24:35 And again, I just want to take your underrated just a little even further and say the black sitcom Grand Crew is great. Abbott Elementary is so good. The Black sitcom Grand Crew is great. Abbott Elementary is so good. There's a lot of really dope Black-led sitcoms that are coming back to the forefront this freshman year and in their freshman year of seasons. And it's pretty dope to watch. It's, when I was a child, there was more black television and more than there was from like 2000 to 2020. And that was so weird to me. We went backwards in a very weird way. So it's really dope to not only have like a show that like was written by a black woman that's succeeding, but it's on ABC. And it's getting played. So shout out.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Shout out to them. Love that. Love that. Thanks for that. Alright. Let's take a quick break. And we'll come back and talk about the Oscars. I'm Jess Casavetto.
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Starting point is 00:30:02 From this year, I do like to look back five years ago this is an idea that i think i stole from bill simmons the sports writer who got the idea basically for like the sports world like when there's a hall of fame ballot they don't just immediately like once a person retires be like well they go into the Hall of Fame because, you know, you're too emotional and you just you don't have perspective yet. And like, I feel like even if it's not the Academy Awards that ends up doing this, I do feel like a Hall of Fame for movies that like goes five or 10 years in the future or in the past for for each year would be fun. And you you wouldn't get your Green Book's coming through. Yeah. Did Green Book win?
Starting point is 00:30:49 Green Book won, right? Green Book won like two years ago or three years ago. Green Book won after Moonlight. Yeah, right after Moonlight. It was such a slap in the face. That's right. Even though I love me some of Herschel Adly, I think he is one of the best in the industry right now.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Green Book was whack. Green Book was whack. Green Book was whackity whack. We should be, you know what, not to jump the gun here, but I do think we should be able to take nominations away. Like after a few years, after we look, you know how they always be like Academy Award nominated. We should be able to take that damn tag away after a while. Be like, you know what? We thought about it. That shit wasn't an academy award nominated worthy and if you want to keep your uh union card you have to come to the
Starting point is 00:31:30 ceremony where it's being taken from you and given to somebody else or honestly or honestly we should be able to give retroactive nominations to people because let me tell you Jennifer Hudson JLo deserves one for Hustlers okay I think Toni Collette needs one for Hereditary I think a decade from now we should give one to Gaga for House of Gucci honestly we're still going to be watching it we're still going to be talking
Starting point is 00:31:58 about it exactly that's what I'm saying that long ass three hour movie we're going to watch just for Gaga and also to be clear, today, we understand she didn't get nominated. We understand, like, yeah, she didn't get nominated today. But 10 years from now, once we live with this. We're going to be like, oh, that shit was dope. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Exactly. You get it. Who cares about the accent? Who cares? Which they also said about Benedict Cumberbatch. They said, who cares about the accent? But they still gave him an omni. Yeah, his accent was terrible.
Starting point is 00:32:30 Terrible. I always say he sounds like Hans Gruber in Die Hard when he's trying to do an American accent. When he's like, oh, my name is John Gray. There are moments. It's a great performance. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been nominated. oh, my name is John Gray. There are moments. It's a great performance. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been nominated.
Starting point is 00:32:51 I'm just saying if you're going to get all picky about accents, fuck out of here. I didn't watch that movie. I didn't watch it. It looked boring as hell. It is boring. Yeah, so you got to catch me on a good day to watch that. You did? Yeah. I thought it was a very, I good day to watch that. You did? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:07 I thought it was a very, I think it would have been more successful as a short film. That's what I think. I think it was really, really gorgeous and perfectly constructed. Like it's masterful filmmaking, but I just think it should have been a short film. And I don't understand why, I mean, spoiler alert,
Starting point is 00:33:24 that Benedict Cumberbatch is like a closeted homosexual. And like, that didn't get folded into the story at all, really. I mean, kind of, but like, I don't know. I think there were some things about it that I didn't love. But I understand why it's Oscar bait to the max. Yeah, it's bait. It's 100% bait. But anyway, Kristen Dunst, she can, she can hate.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Yeah. but it's like dominating the awards like they gave it to Plemons like Plemons it's Plemons just being Plemons I love Jesse Plemons everything I see him in I enjoy well not everything but most things I see him in I enjoy
Starting point is 00:33:59 he plays his role very well also I think it's dope that a couple got nominated. They both got nominated for the first time. He's married or dating. I don't know if they're married or not, to Kirsten Dunst. Oh, no way!
Starting point is 00:34:12 Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know that either. Oh, that's so sweet. Yeah, I thought that was pretty. I thought that was dope. I thought that was pretty cool to see them both be excited about getting nominated for the first time.
Starting point is 00:34:22 And it's definitely a performance where you're not like, oh, they're they're definitely fucking like when you're watching it it does it does not scan that way at all uh but that's it's that's a good good performance but anyways i i want to talk briefly for my selfish theory that we should be talking about movies five years ago so this is this is the one where they got the best picture right moonlight one but i feel like there are lesser fuck-ups kind of all over the place like so molly shannon and other people have you guys seen other people love that movie and she's so good in it and wasn't even nominated for best supporting actress which viol, which Viola Davis won for.
Starting point is 00:35:07 But she was the best actress. She was straight up all over that movie. She was definitely the lead in Fences. So just put her in the lead actress category. I agree. And that's who wins Best Actress instead of... Yeah. Oh, she gamed the system that year.
Starting point is 00:35:24 She was like, you know what? But she might win best actress, but I'm definitely going. Yeah. That's it. Is that the Academy? Actually, she knew that they just needed to take out three of her lines and then she
Starting point is 00:35:37 would qualify for supporting. And she was like, could you please just edit out three of my lines? Yeah. God. Yeah. So Chris Kelly, I thought should have been nominated Other People, who is the co-creator and co-writer of The Other Two, which is one of the best, I say underrated shows of the past couple of years. Agreed.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Hacksaw Ridge is the year that everybody was like, let's let Mel Gibson off the hook and give him a fucking oscar nomination yeah i nominated that year feels like every year honestly over the place what the fuck it's very weird too because like that was the i i generally watch the oscars but the reason i'm so like i don't know much about this one is that's the one i didn't watch and i was in a bar when the best picture nominee went down for this and like everybody like tuned in and was like la la land one and then everybody just went back to their drinks and then like two minutes later like we were hearing commotion it was like yo but yeah i don't i don't need mel gibson uh nominated for best director which was like a surprise at the time
Starting point is 00:36:41 people weren't like this is the best directed movie. It's just, you know, Mel Gibson blowing people up and making gross shit happen to human bodies. Loving by Jeff Nichols. I feel like Jeff Nichols just in general, really good director who hasn't been nominated. for both five years ago and this year. For a supporting actor, Ralph Fiennes in Hail Caesar was just like an unforgettable scene for me. Like that scene just like sticks in my head. Just everything about his performance. He's only in it for like a couple scenes, right? But I don't know if that needs a separate category or if we just have like a best scene. Best cameo.
Starting point is 00:37:27 Best cameo. That's a dope ass. That's a dope. Because cameos are becoming, especially, you know, with the Marvel movie forefront. Industrial complex. Yeah. In the past 15 years. Cameos are it.
Starting point is 00:37:41 There should be an award for did the most with the least. Yeah. You know what I mean like i would i would love that like i i think this year's example is bradley cooper and licorice pizza like is only on screen for like three minutes but he's just so like i yeah he just takes over the movie in a yeah and he's playing barbara streisand's husband like a real hollywood producer so weird who's like a monster and it's a real like it's just watching like a force of nature like passes through this movie that's like somewhat unrelated but you can't stop thinking about it even when he's not on screen i kept waiting for him to come back i'm never gonna watch that movie but i almost did because the trailer the trailer convinced me that it was some sort of barbara streisand like you know coming of age biopic and i was
Starting point is 00:38:37 because i didn't obviously didn't perform even a cursory google and i was like oh i would see that and then you know i googled and I was like wait this is about an adult woman who wants to fuck a teen like wants to like date a teen and the whole premise is that there is I just like don't I was like I'm gonna pass on that one but cute name and I love Haim love Haim it'll be a cold day in hell before I watch licorice pizza cold day i'll watch roots again before i watch licorice pizza the the i i think licorice pizza should like that that's the one that made me think we should have a best trailer category because the trailer for that first of all i didn't realize until i like listened to life on mars like in its entirety that basically life on mars is the plot of the movie for the most part like he just
Starting point is 00:39:31 listened to life on mars and then wrote a movie and it's it's just a great trailer that like that movie nor most movies is able to live up to but i think a best trailer would be a fun category and you would get to watch it while you're watching the broadcast i i love that i love best trailer because they're they actually do need to bring a couple more categories because there's always like three days of the oscars there's the two that we don't see where they give all the awards that they know don't nobody want to fucking see uh and then like they have the actual ceremony yeah then they have the actual ceremony i would love a trailer category but trailers got to go back to what they was in the 90s uh you need a voiceover you need the voiceover you need best performance by a voiceover trailer yeah
Starting point is 00:40:21 yeah yeah if we if okay so if we were to, if we were to offer nominations for best trailer, I would say across the universe. Do you remember that Beatles movie? Yeah. It's just one long music video, terrible movie,
Starting point is 00:40:34 but like an amazing trailer. So like such an exciting conceit for a movie, even though it's like so average. But I also have to say, if we were to offer a, did the most with the least drew barrymore should have a nom for scream because yeah is one of the most phenomenal
Starting point is 00:40:54 things she's ever done in her acting career period yes i just saw the new scream like a week last week or something and the person i went with i guess forgot because i i thought i don't want to spoil it but i thought they were gonna do the same thing in the beginning of the movie i guess that is a spoiler who who gives a fuck if you haven't seen screen it's the beginning it's the beginning i thought they were gonna do the same thing and it was like well no she's a star and i was like well drew barrymore was a star when she got murked in the first five minutes of that movie and that shit was like revolutionary because especially in our age
Starting point is 00:41:28 we weren't used to that like we weren't used to stars getting killed in the first we still aren't like I remember when the other guys did it with the rock and Sam Jackson and it was so funny because you thought they were going to be in the whole movie like it's such a
Starting point is 00:41:43 really good trope that doesn't get used often, but the people who it does get used with generally are fantastic in those three to five minutes there in the movie. Did you think it was going to do the same thing because it has the exact same title as the previous movie?
Starting point is 00:41:59 It has the exact same title and it starts pretty much exactly the same. It was great though. I did love the new Scream. I thought it was fun. the exact same title and it starts pretty much exactly the same yeah it starts it's actually it was great though i did love the new scream i thought it was fun i think a lot of work could be done in the best original song category from five years ago la la land had two songs nominated moana had one didn't even sniff the award and you're welcome like they they gave up the opportunity so you're what i have a three-year-old and a five-year-old so like i listened to a lot of moana soundtrack
Starting point is 00:42:30 but you're welcome is a fucking jam it really holds up and they could have had they could have had the rock yeah rapping at the oscars like that's how you get people to watch the Oscars is like, I don't know. And then there's like some visual effects stuff like Jungle Book 1 for that. I feel like
Starting point is 00:42:51 in retrospect with the live action Lion King under our belt, we recognize that maybe that's not the path for movies to head down as much.
Starting point is 00:42:59 But, I don't know. And then I think like a new category that would be fun is like in-camera special effects. Like if you, if you got category that would be fun is like in-camera special effects. Like if you just did like the best practical special effects and then they like showed you how it was done during the show, that would be fun.
Starting point is 00:43:17 But yeah. I have to say, how is this? I mean, what we're talking about when you're talking about like soundtrack. How is this Beyonce's first, what we're talking about when you're talking about like soundtrack, how is this Beyonce's first Oscar? Right. What? I thought she was halfway to an EGOT already. Like I'm so confused.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Yeah. But yeah, I also feel like, you know, Encanto like was one of my favorite movies, but the music was not good. Yeah. The music wasn't great.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Yeah. But like, I don't remember any of the songs. Yeah. If they were to nominate a song, it should have been We Don't Talk About Bruno, which is now like a TikTok sensation.
Starting point is 00:43:49 Right. But yeah, I agree. There's a lot of, you know, retroactive work to be done in this category. The music one is a tough one for me because I, it's very weird.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Like, all right. So, you know, if we go back in the five years, most categories should have, I think most categories should have more nominees. It shouldn't be kept to five because, you know, obviously you're going to get snubs. That's how it is and everything. But some of the snubs are just outlandish, which is wild. So I think you should just have like seven to ten like they did for The Best Picture when The Dark Knight didn't get nominated. And that's why they changed that category up. But for the actual songs, we should 100 percent go back and take away like the Oscar nomination for some songs.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Because like some of them songs don't hit, man. Some of the songs don't hit songs because like some of them songs don't hit man some of those songs don't hit no more some songs don't hit they don't they don't matter but some songs do hit like the bruno like that shit's gonna hit it's gonna be popular in two years you mean to tell me that's not a oscar worthy what else we ain't going to the movies to listen to songs so if a song hits and it stays popular that's an oscar that's a fucking oscar there you go yeah yeah and then my this is a controversial opinion that i don't even know if i believe him but so if they want to like really get these like movies that everybody saw involved what about a separate category that's not best picture it's just best movie like okay kind of having a separate sort of category that's just like all right this isn't necessarily art but
Starting point is 00:45:31 it's like the most fun people had at the movies so just looking at 2016 you had finding dory zootopia the force awakens moana arrival America, Civil War, Deadpool. Like those are all pretty iconic movies. Like, so I don't know. I'm shocked that Arrival wasn't nominated. That's crazy. I love that the rest of them are children's movies, though. You really are. You really are.
Starting point is 00:45:55 You have kids. We get it. We got you, Jack. We got you, Jack. I mean, I love that. The only thing is it would only be Marvel movies. Right. Especially now. They're making, yeah, I know.. The only thing is, it would only be Marvel movies. Right. Especially now.
Starting point is 00:46:06 They're making, yeah, I know. They're making so many. A year or two would be like so many Marvel. I mean, but, I mean, the Spider-Man movie was my favorite movie of the year, period. More than any of these noms. I tweeted this today, actually.
Starting point is 00:46:20 And I generally don't like to have debates with internet strangers about my opinions or theirs because I don't give a fuck. But I wrote that if Don't Look Up was nominated, then Spider-Man No Way Home should have been nominated because that movie not only did I like Don't Look Up. I'm not shitting on the movie but i thought spider-man no way home was a better movie almost in every way the story was better the action was better i had more fun in the movie the acting was better it was better like in every way that movie was better the script was good and let me tell you don't look up that like tepid, like Netflix algorithm generated. Like, yeah, like that.
Starting point is 00:47:08 The function of that movie was nothing but like performance on Netflix's streaming service. I was it was so transparently like, I don't know. I it took me I'll just say this. It took me three sittings to finish that movie because i kept getting up and being like i don't really know what i'm watching i don't know what the appeal of this is outside of the fact that it's had so many stars i thought cape blanchett was awesome i thought actually jonah hill jonah hill was really fun but yeah the movie in general i was just like i totally agree with you i was like i don't understand why this is nominated i mean actually, actually, I do. It's because, you know, the devil works hard, but Netflix's publicists work harder.
Starting point is 00:47:47 And they will get Emily in Paris all of the awards. They can do that for Don't Look Up 2, let me tell you. Well, it sounds to me like you are both climate deniers, climate change deniers. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:48:02 Unless you thought it was the best movie of the year, you just don't understand the message and you hate the environment hey man i don't see no comments coming near the i'm good over here talking about can i say one more controversial thing about five years ago those oscars first of all let me preface it because again people on the internet are dumb and they don't read context moonlight should have won should have won but it was only after that debacle where people start acting like la la land wasn't a good movie i had a good time watching la la land like it was okay it's a great i'm not saying it was like a it was
Starting point is 00:48:37 not a best picture nominated but i think after that was over hive mind of social media kind of like dictated oh and now we also hate La La Land. Like y'all motherfuckers was up here tap dancing in the streets and singing all the songs and shit before the Oscars came out with that movie. Y'all liked it. It was okay. I think the hate that La La Land got for that fuck up after the fact, it's a little whack. It's a little whack. In my opinion.
Starting point is 00:49:04 It's honestly just wrong time, wrong place for that movie. Yeah. That's a little whack. It's a little whack. In my opinion. It's honestly just wrong time, wrong place for that movie. It was just a stunning movie. A stunning movie about a guy who, you know, likes to mansplain jazz to an aspiring actress. Exactly. As most movies are
Starting point is 00:49:20 about that. And I felt like, you know, it was gorgeous. But yeah, wrong time, wrong place. And I felt like, you know, it was gorgeous. But yeah, wrong time, wrong place. And the culture wars of that year.
Starting point is 00:49:30 All right. Since you guys called me out for being kid movie focused, I won't go into my 15 minute bit about how Cars 2
Starting point is 00:49:38 should have retroactively been given all the Oscars. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Build-A-Bears. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series,
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Starting point is 00:54:16 That is, of course, all the headlines about the new horny Build-A-Bear. I'll just give you some samples. CNET. Build-A-Bear just launched an after-dark series of horny teddy bears. Fatherly.com, where I always go for my i don't know i don't know what takes yowza exclamation point build a bear launches a horny teddy bear line build a bear launched a range of horny teddy bears and we're confused says indie 100 uh and then uh the new york post raunchy new furry and in quotes, toys released just in time for Valentine's Day. So the one thing that is actually horny about the entire thing is they did put out a fun image that is, i think it was like a promotional image it's a stuffed lion in a
Starting point is 00:55:09 like silk robe leaning on one one elbow very tom selleck yeah very tom selleck very burt reynolds on a bearskin rug oh and just kind of definitely giving you the impression that this stuffed lion wants to fuck you. Oh, my God. I will say. This rose over roses bear is killing me because she's just holding rose. Is that what the horny is? Yeah. Alcohol.
Starting point is 00:55:39 An important detail is like they really they thought that these bears were so controversial that you have to go through like a parental like wall, like an 18 plus. Oh, like, like site wall that says you're about to enter the bear cave. There's adult content in here. And you click through and it's like a bear that's wearing a T-shirt that says like wine mom or something like that. And it's like, what? Like, I'm sorry. If these bears were actually horny, we would have heard about it on Tucker Carlson the next day.
Starting point is 00:56:09 Okay. They did not go hard enough. If I'm going to buy a horny bear, I want strap-ons. I want. Yes. Give me a bear with a fleshlight. Yeah. I want piss pools.
Starting point is 00:56:21 I want nipple clamps. Okay. Ball stretchers. I want niche sex toys on want nipple clamps. Okay. Ball stretchers. I want niche sex toys on all of these bears. Okay. Yeah. If the bear is horny, like, let's just go ahead and say what we saying. We got to fuck this bear.
Starting point is 00:56:37 And I can't fuck this bear. Yeah. That's right. I can't fuck this bear. This is wild. I love this. I love this. I love this, by the way. Like I said, this is the first time I saw the headline.
Starting point is 00:56:49 I did not see the pictures. These pictures are very funny. I thought it was going to be something risque, like nipple titties out or, you know, showing hole or something. I didn't know. I didn't know. I guess that doesn't make sense because they still got to sell these to fucking kids. Right.
Starting point is 00:57:05 But. Right. But what world? I feel like in the 90s, if a brand would have did this, it would have been more horny. But we as a collective society are hornier than ever. I see so much sex on Twitter and Reddit and OnlyFans. We horny as shit. It's more comfortable. And this is what you come out with? You could have did better than this. I should at least see some bear cleavage.
Starting point is 00:57:30 The actual products are a teddy bear with sunglasses on and a dad t-shirt that says, I want to take you out. Which is also not like this one. Like he's gonna kill me right like there's a
Starting point is 00:57:48 there's a whole exchange of pulp fiction about how ambiguous that phrase is now i do like that take you out all right daddy yeah like they maybe they are like leaning into the threatening aspect of that phrase and that's why it's being included here. But then the other one is it's wine o'clock somewhere and it's just a stuffed teddy bear. Is that a teddy bear or is that a
Starting point is 00:58:15 wine? I don't even know. This is just a testament of the fact that there is an untapped market for horny bears. And we want like teddy bears and full leather gear in like sex slings okay um and i i feel like there's someone out there to do it and if you want to hire me to consult i will i will gladly be a part of that project so let me know friend that's friend has volunteered themselves to bring us to the new frontier.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Absolutely. Horny animals, baby. You know what? I'm here for it. I am here for it. Also, if I gave this to if I gave this to a date, like if I gave one of these horny bears to a girl for Valentine's Day, we like, hey, baby. Right. I love you.
Starting point is 00:59:02 You look good. Here's what I think for you hey it's my dick gonna be dry the rest of the night i'm not kidding you ain't getting no ass after you remember builder bear i'm 35 years old motherfucker what you giving me this for is the idea to maybe like make it a date night thing that people can go and do but yeah i mean these are available for online orders so i guess not i think it's for what's the what's the religion or the people that get a year to uh like go explore the world before they go back to a gap year a gap yes man a gap year yes man no it's like a religion or something right um oh yeah one of these yeah yeah i think this is
Starting point is 00:59:46 yeah this is to ease them in slowly their year slowly they're sideways when they go sidewaysing they have a year of absolutely abhorrent godless heathen behavior and then they go back to mormonism this is for them this is to into, you know, the rest of the year that they're going to have. Got it. Yeah. Also, Build-A-Bear had the same promotion last year and it prompted similarly confused responses from people. So it's just, it's just, you know, clickbait. It's mainstream media clickbait, essentially. Also, the 18 plus warning may be just on all parts of their site because they don't want kids grabbing their parents' credit cards and ordering like a dump truck full of custom-made teddy bears. So that also might just be a misunderstanding by the mainstream media to,
Starting point is 01:00:38 you know, try and write some comedy, try and spice things up a little bit. Let's talk really briefly about Mouse, which is now a bestseller thanks to a Tennessee school county's ban. So the pretext for banning the book was that it had nudity, technically illustrated animal nudity and bad language, which included the words bitch and goddamn. It was the anchor text for an eighth grade module on the Holocaust. And the like, you can actually look at the minutes of the school board meeting devoted to this topic. And it's like worst thing you would expect. First of all, they get mad that the author had once done artwork for Playboy. So they're like, that goes on your permanent record. One board member called the book offensive and then admitted they had never read or even seen the book, but had read the reviews. They tried to see if they could just redact words from it. And then when they found that that was a free
Starting point is 01:01:43 speech issue, they said, well, anyways, that wouldn't do. It's more offensive than that. I have not seen the book and read the book. I read the reviews. And then that was the only item on the school board meetings agenda was what to do about mouse. of Amazon charts dominating online book sales, top three literary graphic novels were three different versions of Mouse. So our writer, J.M. McNabb, was pointing out that this isn't new. And John Grisham, I guess, A Time to Kill was once put on a banned book list and that skyrocketed the sales of that as well. But the problem is that it only it
Starting point is 01:02:26 usually hinges on like how profile an author is at the time of the challenge so there's just you know warehouses of banned books that yeah are written by people who don't have names that are people are familiar with when a book when a book is banned are they saying it's banned from schools is that what they're saying? Or it's banned? I think schools and then maybe it's restricted at libraries, perhaps. Right, school libraries. Or banned from some run libraries. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Taking out the curriculum. I mean, banned books, they need to learn that they're just putting these books in business. Let me tell you, that one children's book that's like, you know, Kimberly Has Two Mommies or whatever, is one of the most sold children's book that's like, you know, Kimberly has two mommies or whatever. It's like one of the most sold children's books of all time because of like, you know, culture wars. And like, they're only putting these books on the map. And Mouse is like, isn't it a Pulitzer Prize winning book? Like it's a gore.
Starting point is 01:03:18 It's a gore. I read, I remember reading both of those books in college and adoring them. both of those books in college and adoring them but also i never learned as much about the holocaust from like history as i did from those books specifically yeah yeah and i think that it's just a testament to the fact that people don't know what the fuck they're talking about and also honestly like that they just are so hypocritical because the bible that book is whack okay like it was back there's like just it just like endorses slavery and like people having sex with their dads and like i just like i don't know like like that's a crazy book and there's there's a story in the bible where like god tells all these people to like because of a few people fucked up in the town god tells everybody you gotta move out of
Starting point is 01:04:05 your town like people who lived in the town their whole life this was their home and they just gotta up and go and god was like and don't turn around and look back i'm telling people like to not look back at the place they've known forever and the one person who did he turned her to a pillar of fucking salt. I remember that. That is the most petty, violent, overreactive shit that I've ever read in my goddamn. Yo, don't look at your home you lived in for your entire life, or I'm going to turn you into a pillar of salt. As you're hearing it, be destroyed by God. You're not allowed to look back and be like, whoa. Right.
Starting point is 01:04:43 Just out of curiosity, be like, damn, that's just wild. Don't look at me. I'm disgusting Right. Just out of curiosity. Don't look at me. I'm disgusting. That's what God said. Don't look at me. It's funny, too, because I will happily admit that I am not a avid book reader. So keeping up with the banned book list is never something that really clicks on my radar. But it doesn't make sense to me because for instance which is the reason why i asked like are they banned in schools because like some books like
Starting point is 01:05:10 you ain't reading 50 shades of gray in eighth grade so like i i get like not being able to read some books in school depending on what the content is but the fact that they're like restricted in certain areas of the library or bookstores and things like that. You mean to tell me that like some of these like romance novels, these graphic novels, these violent things, I can just easily go up and down the library and get, but you're going to ban a book about the Holocaust? Like that doesn't, it doesn't make, it doesn't compute in my brain because it's not about banning things because they are graphic. It's about banning things because you don't want people to know shit, probably.
Starting point is 01:05:46 You know, for the most part. It's what it seems like. And, like, I haven't read this book, so I don't know the content of it like you all do. But I don't get banned books. We don't ban movies. We may slap a rating on them, but that's about it. Oh, my God. There's an amazing documentary about the rating system that,
Starting point is 01:06:05 and how the rating system was also invented by the same people that banned books. It's like, these like conservative Christian moms that like decide,
Starting point is 01:06:12 you know, whether a movie is, you know, PG or PG-13. I think it's called This Film Is Not Yet Rated. It's not yet rated. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:20 Strongly recommend. Okay. I want to watch that. Yeah. One of the best documentaries. Yeah. Phenomenal. But yeah, and the specificity of the things they object to are it's like they object to showing women have feel pleasure experience pleasure so like you can get away with a sex scene in which the woman is uncomfortable or it's is being assaulted but you can't show the woman
Starting point is 01:06:46 have an orgasm because that is this the movie rating i forgot about that yeah mpa yeah because it's a bunch of old it's it's funny i do i do know this i didn't i've ever seen this documentary but like the word fuck for instance the difference between pg-13 and rated r you're allowed three fucks but as long as they're not sexual like what's the fucking difference exactly like what's the difference between three fucks and four fucks and what's the difference between if the fuck is not sexual or not it's still fuck it's still like it doesn't it doesn't make any sense to me it's so funny it's cuckoo for coca yeah the four the fourth fuck is what pushed you over the edge yeah it makes you stop believing in god and yeah the president of the united states yeah yeah i mean they're also talking about banning judy bloom books in texas and that was my first indication
Starting point is 01:07:38 that judy bloom books were cool like that and now i'm going to want my kids to read them at the very least i probably won't read them i feel like that would i'd feel weird about that but yeah i don't know it's like i i remember there there is something powerful both about like the fact that books like can get away with more than like three fucks in a in a book without being banned and like they don't have this rating system and also like i don't know they're like the the feeling of getting to choose whatever you want to read and like finding out that there is like authority that doesn't want you to read it is like one of the most powerful like i guess you can say like marketing tools, but like, it's not marketing. Like marketers don't use it. It's just like that.
Starting point is 01:08:26 That makes you want to read the hell out of some books. Yeah. Literally. It's an amazing incentive. It's literally why I'm corrupted now. I'm, I'm a godless heathen because, you know,
Starting point is 01:08:37 I tore through my local library after, you know, reading all the banned books I could get my hands on. I think that I'm almost glad that they're banning books because all it does is make kids want to read them more. Oh, so this one's cool too. Okay. Well, Fran, this has been such a pleasure having you on Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? The pleasure is all mine. You can find me on social media at Fran Squishco, or you can just search my name, Fran Torado, and I should pop up. But more importantly,
Starting point is 01:09:10 listen to my new podcast, Like a Virgin with Rose Damu, an iHeartRadio sister, and you can listen to anywhere you stream podcasts, even Joe Rogan's Spotify. Yeah. That Rogan. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? My favorite tweet as of late was, yeah, I'm into NFTs, non-binary fem talks, which is a little bit of a queer insider joke there. But all my exes really are NFTs if if i thought about it so there you go um i guess yeah that's maybe my tweet of the day jakees as always so wonderful having you as co-host you know it where can people find you and follow you and what's a tweet you've been enjoying ah well you know you can always find me in these streets uh as per usual follow your your boy. I'm getting closer to that 10K that I've, the elusive 10K that I want.
Starting point is 01:10:09 So, you know, go ahead and follow your boy and do it for Black History Month, y'all. If you don't do it this month, just go ahead and admit that you racist. Just admit it. Stop playing. Stop fucking playing. Add Jackie's kneel on everything
Starting point is 01:10:26 y'all know what it is uh so you know i i am one of the adults who watches euphoria and yeah we exist uh i was thinking about this earlier like yeah uh adults in our age range watch like movies centered around teens because we get it like i mean euphoria is fucking wild but we we used to be teenagers and like we've gone past that phase we we can understand that more than i can understand watching a movie about 50 year old white men so i get like i get being a teenager like it's not that unfathomable uh this is more like this is it isn't one tweet and like they're mostly visual but it's just been a bunch of tweets that i thought based off the last episode of yo this was rue in the last episode
Starting point is 01:11:13 and the picture is like a torn up fucking town or like buildings on fire or like there's the grim reaper meme where he goes from door to door and there's a blood trail out of each door and one tweet from uh coralina dean was like rue making her rounds around euphoria town on a mission to ruin everyone's weekend you've seen this last episode you know the section that we're talking about and she was fucking that town up and it was a joy and so uncomfortable to watch and i loved it like i loved it so that's what i'm talking about that's the tweets jack thank you for having me i appreciate you appreciate you you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien a couple tweets i've been enjoying miles at the superior pink tweeted this can't be the future
Starting point is 01:12:05 dip and dots was the ice cream of and sarah at sarah aj cleary tweeted i think this is a true story john waters just came into my cinema exclamation point to see jackass exclamation point a film we aren't showing exclamation point and then dan the rock yang tweeted big news my bodega guy promoted me from boss to my brother which is just a big moment in any new yorker's life you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes on our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. And Super Producer Justin, do you have a song that you would like to send people to go check out?
Starting point is 01:12:56 Well, yes, I do, Jack. people on this podcast with Chicago Roots, Fran, Jacquees, and I. I figured I would shout out a Chicago artist, Mick Jenkins, referencing a Chicago Bulls legend, Scottie Pippen. Check out this track. It's featuring an artist I put on last week, Serpent With Feet. The whole song's a metaphor about how you need a partner in life, and you can't just shoot all them baskets by yourself. You got to have support support and so this song has an incredible instrumentalism to it it's got these really floaty keys that are grounded by this counter melody that's played on this guitar that really really makes you relax and chill and ease into your night so put this track on Scotty Pippen by Mick Jenkins and
Starting point is 01:13:44 Serpent With Feet and you can find that in the footnotes Scotty you trippin if ease into your night so put this uh track on scotty pippen by mick jenkins and serpent with feet and you can find that in the footnotes scotty you tripping if you're listening you've been tripping lately scotty let me just go and say that you tripping that is actually a lyric in the song i've been yeah it's like i've been tripping i was pipping i was bullshitting you got you guys got to check this shit out yeah by it is. By the way, I also have Chicago roots. When I lived in Kentucky, the eighth grade class trip was Chicago. Wow. Where we got to go to the Rock and Roll McDonald's and Medieval Times for some reason.
Starting point is 01:14:16 Those are pretty much the only two things to do in Chicago. Well, now we have the bean. Now we have the bean. We have the bean. We have the bean. A fucking chain restaurant. They took us to. Anyways, the Daily Zeitgeist.
Starting point is 01:14:28 The Rock and Roll McDonald's where many high school students went after prom sometimes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We went. All right. Well, the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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