The Daily Zeitgeist - FlipFlop Filibuster, REVENGE Procrastination? 3.25.21

Episode Date: March 25, 2021

In episode 844, Jack and Miles are joined by Bald Talk's Charlie Sander to discuss Biden flip-flopping on filibusters, the White House sidelining staffers who have tried pot, Disney testing facial rec...ognition technology, Republican men refusing to be vaccinated, a top Saudi official issuing a death threat against UN investigator, why we stay up late on our phones, and more!FOOTNOTES: Report: Biden Wants Dems To Find GOP Support For Sweeping Voting Rights Bill Instead Of Gutting Filibuster Democrats plan to squeeze GOP over filibuster The Senate Means Minority Rule Even Without the Filibuster In wake of shootings, Senate renews efforts to overhaul U.S. gun laws Biden White House Sandbags Staffers, Sidelines Dozens for Pot Use Walt Disney World to Test Facial Recognition Technology at Magic Kingdom Entrances Through April Disney Data-Mining Theme Park Guests “Now More Than Ever” According to LA Times Article Why face-recognition technology has a bias problem The Major Concerns Around Facial Recognition Technology Disney Link To the F.B.I. And Hoover Is Disclosed Why Covid may mean more facial recognition tech Schools Adopt Face Recognition in the Name of Fighting Covid 49% of Republican men say they won’t get vaccinated. These wives and daughters are on a mission to change their minds. Top Saudi official issued death threat against UN's Khashoggi investigator Why You Stay Up So Late, Even When You Know You Shouldn’t  LISTEN: Notorious B.I.G. - Unbelievable (Nick Bike's 'Express Yourself' Mix) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:33 That is courtesy of Katie Didn't at Katie Didn't. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Grandwashed Sparkin, a.k.a. Mr. Gray Goes to Washington because that Philly's busting out with weed from that blunt. So thank you so much to Rob Cunningham and Johnny Davis for those, you know, just little a.k.a.s. Wait, I didn't get that last one.
Starting point is 00:03:02 I've actually never seen Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. Because the filibuster? Oh, Philly-busting. Yeah, because I know Philly-busting. You know the spark of Philly. Okay, anyway. Come on, Jack. You listen to enough 90s golden era New York hip-hop. You know what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:03:20 I was going to say, Joe Biden is all philla, no killa. You know what I'm saying. Because he's not killing the filibuster. Definitely not. Maybe. Who knows? A pun that I had saved for later, but it's
Starting point is 00:03:35 the best thing I've got. Probably the best thing I've done in the past couple weeks. So I figured I'd just blow it right up top. One of the first things I learned doing improv when I went to UCB is don't think of a joke to come in on. Don't do it. I don't know, man. I thought that worked really well.
Starting point is 00:03:52 I thought that worked really well. Well, we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by someone who knows a little something about that improv thing. Someone who knows a little something about that improv thing. He is the hilarious, the talented, Mr. Charlie Sanders! Hey, what's up? What's up, man? What's up? Nice to be here.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Thanks for having me. It's great to have you. It's only reciprocity after I came on to talk to you and Brian on Bald Talk. That's right. My bald brother and my bald-headed brother. Yes, I was so bald. I was spilling some bald gossip, bald to bald earlier. You were.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Before we went on the air. Maybe later. We'll see if it happens, then we'll come back and say it. We'll get to it now. Yeah. Bald talk on our sister network, our like imprint,
Starting point is 00:04:44 big money players. It's, it's actually like male vanity and like how, our sister network our imprint Big Money Players it's actually like male vanity and like how much thought men put into it and don't acknowledge about vanity I've always thought that's like one of the most interesting
Starting point is 00:04:59 subjects for like that is just unexplored and then you guys came along with uh one of my favorite pitches for a podcast oh thank you all the time yeah i'm glad you like it yeah it's funny we i did not at all plan for it to be a deep dive into male vanity it just kind of became that but i'm glad it did it's fun i like it it's interesting and not people don't talk about bald like fucking lance reddick and shit he was great oh my god i love talking to lance yeah he was amazing yeah yeah you also uh many seasons writer on key and peel one of the one of the all-time
Starting point is 00:05:38 greats yes yes all all five seasons of key & Peele. That's fucking amazing. Yeah. See, with this show, we're not, see, too much talent today. I know. It's a lot. It's a second-rate podcast. I don't want to, like, throw off the dynamic, but I just, we don't usually mention people's credits up top, but that one needs to be mentioned. Key & Peele, writing on Key & Peele was the greatest job of all time. It was pure fucking joy when they when they decided to end it i was like are you guys
Starting point is 00:06:08 sure you want to go on and become famous can you please just keep or at least just keep paying me to write sketches we can just do digital stuff yeah i've like i was also very disappointed to hear that uh jordan peele was going to stop acting because i've always said that like some of his performances on key and peel are like some of my favorite comedic he's just like so subtle and detailed in his performances um yeah but i guess he's good at directing too i guess yeah he's okay at that i mean yeah i think you know we all know where we all know where the skill is that he'll be back doing sketch comedy in no time oh i hope so that'd be cool i'll be like come off it jay man it's funny like you guys were mentioning ucb earlier like everyone i've written on sketch
Starting point is 00:07:00 shows with is always like oh i'm so ready to move on from writing sketches and write sitcoms or movies or whatever i'm like i could write sketches for the rest of my life i never get i never get fucking bored of it so well you guys were so good at it but i feel like that show perfected it all right uh charlie we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about uh we're gonna talk about how joe's gone back on uh killing the filibuster uh the the thing that back forth like was he gonna anyway yeah it's like where are where are where are we who are we joe where are we where's my applesauce well also uh are you using jokes from cAC now? From CPAC? Joe Biden, who are we?
Starting point is 00:07:46 Where am I? Where's my applesauce? What was it? Criss Cross, where's my applesauce or something? Yeah, it was something like that. I mean, they are. No, it was who's the boss? Where's my applesauce?
Starting point is 00:07:59 There it is. Who's really running the Biden administration? Charlie, that's something you should know uh key and peel some of our favorite comedy writing also cpac uh the yeah some of our favorite i'm trying to get them to hire me uh biden the biden administration uh let a handful of staffers go for uh ever having smoked weed i think is basically and i just want to talk about that that standard uh i want to talk about this uh saudi official who threatened to kill a un investigator uh of the hashoji death uh in a meeting with the un was like, hey, you might want to call them off because I might have them killed.
Starting point is 00:08:49 I think we said we'll take care of it, all right? Very Sopranos. He even said it with a Jersey accent. We'll talk about facial recognition technology at Disney World. We'll talk about... recognition technology at disney world we'll talk about what yeah baby
Starting point is 00:09:07 i mean fine yeah it's a proving ground for carceral technology sure uh we'll talk about the uh toxic the newest flavor of toxic masculinity uh which doesn't allow you to get the vaccine uh and uh maybe some self-care. Maybe throw some self-care in there. All of that. Plenty more. But first, Charlie, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are?
Starting point is 00:09:37 Oh, my search history? Yes, sir. Oh, speaking of Sopranos, the latest thing was a Sopranos clip. Oh, yeah. Which one? Yeah. Speaking of Sopranos, the latest thing was a Sopranos clip. Okay. Yeah. We love the boys from Satrials over here. Oh, my God. They're the best.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Now, I was going to ask you. You mentioned someone named Katie Diddent earlier. Katie Diddent. Yeah. Is it D-I-D-D-E-N-T or something like that? It's D-I-D-D-E-N-T. Yeah. Yeah. It's a D I D D E N T. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:05 That is that a Sopranos reference? Cause that's what Christopher says when he shows up on heroin to help. I did that. I did that. He says, you're a fucking junkie. You shut up or whatever. And he goes,
Starting point is 00:10:14 I did dent. I thought it was a reference to Katie dids the, uh, what is that? A bug? Yeah. Probably all a melange it was a sketch comedy group in chicago there you go all three a triple reference yes it's funny how much that is a line that is so
Starting point is 00:10:35 simple it's just merely mispronouncing the word didn't yeah and is like part of like meme internet lore like even my partner her majesty who i who I got watching The Sopranos, she hooked onto that line right away. She's like, I said something offhandedly. She's like, I didn't. And I'm like, what the fuck are you? Moltisanti over here. Well, Michael Imperioli is such a good actor
Starting point is 00:10:59 that those two words that he sort of turned into three words conveyed so much. Must have crawled under there for warmth. Oh, I love one of my favorite scenes ever from the Sopranos is Christopher's intervention. Yeah. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:15 With Elias Kodias as the intervention, interventionist that he recognizes from the beginning. Yeah, that's right. Didn't you steal all those pork loins? He's like, I did, but that was a long time ago. That's not why I'm here.
Starting point is 00:11:28 That's not why I'm here. Oh, my God. Oh, that. And then I was, it's, what's his face? Silvio's letter that he reads to Christopher. He's like, I came in to open the, yeah. Toilet water in your hair. Disgusting.
Starting point is 00:11:42 That's his whole personal letter you i said my piece christy oh my god uh which is also you know the og like fashionable toxic masculinity anthem the sopranos you know as a show yeah totally speaking of which one of the great comedies uh of all time it actually is it's very funny and dramatic it's somehow gotten funnier i don't know it might have just been where my head was at at the time and also like anytime there's a show that has like a dramatic tension you're kind of focused on like what's gonna happen next yeah yeah and the first time i watched it yeah re-watching it's so so fucking funny yeah definitely what is something you think is overrated sir oh the q documentary
Starting point is 00:12:34 have you guys okay oh the one on hbo max yeah into the rabbit hole or down the rabbit hole it's called oh it's not good huh i did not like it no No, it's, it just doesn't really like go into queue that much. It like follows all these weird people that are into queue, but it's more like social tourism into these like really weird people's lives. And so, I mean, I get why other people might like it, but for me, I was more like, I wanted more like information because I'm like, what the fuck is it? How does it happen? Um, maybe that'll eventually happen but um in the first two episodes i kind of felt like i wanted more information right it's like a new york times piece normalizing q conspiracy theory that's kind of what it feels
Starting point is 00:13:16 like honestly right that's what i feel like the like what i saw from the trailer was like are they really gonna figure something out here or they're just gonna be like can you check these people out huh it's it's the latter it's like right at these weirdos and i'm like right you know i'm of course i think q is extremely disturbing and horrible but like i also like felt kind of bad like oh are we just like mocking people that are so lost in the world that they right we aren't i mean the documentary but um yeah so anyway that was that's my overrated just check out the podcast q anon anonymous oh really like yeah if you like if you want to like get into it uh the the the fellows over there
Starting point is 00:13:58 uh bring the heat on that i'll check it out because it's like you know i know that like they believe these crazy conspiracy theories and stuff like that, but I'm still like, what is it? I don't totally understand. What if this led to me becoming a QAnon person? Like I had to find out more. Miles recommended the QAnon podcast. I think there's a lot of truth here. Not that one, Charlie.
Starting point is 00:14:19 We have a show on our very network from Jake Han hanrahan former guest uh on tdz called q clearance that is actually like focused on the q like who is q like that question answering that question right right and figures it out which i think a handful of people have figured it out oh really who is yeah it's one of the guys who runs the board that you first emerged on oh i think i did hear that on the daily yeah and it like it started possibly as somebody else but then they like kind of hijacked the account because they had all the permissions and oh it just makes sense that like that much power, like, and then there's an opportunity for somebody who has control over. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:09 You know, even within the Q community, they're going to be like, oh, GQ truthers. You know what I mean? Right. We're like, no, that's not cute. But you're you're huffing adrenochrome on. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what to say.
Starting point is 00:15:24 What is something you think is underrated, sir? Oh, I forget if I said this last time when me and Husky were on. So I may be repeating myself, but it's not underrated in the world, but it's underrated in the USA, which is the sitcom Gavin and Stacey. Okay. Do you guys know of it? With James Corden? Yeah. Yeah. It's hilarious. I it? With James Corden? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:46 It's hilarious. Oh, it's great. You should watch it. It's like one of the funniest shows I've ever seen. It's like, you know how during the pandemic you have those things where you're like, that got me through the pandemic? I've watched Gavin and Stacey all the way through three times this year, just because it's light, it's funny, and it's just like I escape. So I've watched it three times through in a year. And it's on it's light it's funny and it's just like i escape so i've watched
Starting point is 00:16:06 it three times through in a year and it's on hbo max it looks like oh is it really yeah where where you been watching it brit box brit box what is that is brit box is uh um a streaming service that has british sitcoms on it appropriately are you ingesting a lot of uh you kind of an anglophile when it comes to comedy uh yeah quite a bit you know i love the office and extras and all the brittany stuff and gavin and stacy and then um those are the those are the main ones i like but i'm kind of an anglophile in general yeah same as well and i'm i love carl pilkington i don't know who that is actually you know oh he was like, did you ever see the Ricky Gervais show that was on HBO that was animating the radio show he had? That I have not seen.
Starting point is 00:16:49 So it just started off with the, he just got so just interested in the producer of the, at the radio station, this guy, Carl Pilkington, who was just this, like, I think he's from Manchester. I think he's from Manchester. Just a very simple guy who just comes straight at you with his take on something. No matter where he's coming from, no matter how ill-informed it is, he has the confidence of a thousand sons. And it just cracks Ricky and Steven Merchant up constantly. So they started animating what he would talk about. That's funny. And then it became that show Idiot Abroad. Okay.
Starting point is 00:17:20 That's funny. And then it became that show Idiot Abroad, where they were basically, Ricky and Steven were sending Carl to any number of countries because he was such a closed off guy. They're like, he's going to fucking freak out in Vietnam. And they sent him there and they're just kind of like watching him do his thing. Oh, that's funny. Okay, I got to check that out. Their radio show is, I don't know. I found it like when I was first getting into podcasts, like there was such little podcast, like so little podcasts out there that like, that was one of the things that you could,
Starting point is 00:17:54 I was just like on a forum and found it and download it. That, that radio show is really good. Yeah. I got to listen to that too. Yeah. It was like that. And Mark Maron were like the two podcasts.
Starting point is 00:18:04 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's that Mark Maron were like the two podcasts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's that Marc Maron guy up to these days? I don't know. I assume he's still doing WTF. Yeah, yeah. I remember when he sold that house and it became like a fucking tourist attraction. That's right.
Starting point is 00:18:18 I want you in the garage. Yeah, he popularized Highland Park. Yeah, right. We can thank Marc Maron for gentrifying Highland Park. Single-handedly. Right. That's a strong claim. Not many people can make it in the city.
Starting point is 00:18:35 They're like, it was me. And I'm always at that pizza place on the corner. So Gavin and Stacey, is that like what's the premise? Just like broad pitch. So James Corden and I and and Ruth Jones are like the secondary characters. This is sort of the trippy element of it, but they're kind of the main character. So Gavin and Stacey, I'm blanking on the actor's name at the moment. The place Gavin and the actor that plays Stacey, she's Welsh and he's English.
Starting point is 00:19:08 And they've met through work over the phone, but they've never never met in person but they've fallen in love over the phone and so they go to meet each other for the first time in london and he brings his best bud james james corden uh along and she brings her best bud ruth jones along and then but then uh we end up following the story of ruth jones and james corden kind of like falling in love oh Oh, interesting. But the comedy is really comes from like their families all meet. So it's like Welsh people and English people mingling and just getting, they like get hammered and have parties and it's just kind of full of like fun.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Yeah. Great lines and stuff. I'm a, I'm a big nodding Hill head. I really am a big nodding Hill apologist. And that isn't there like a welsh english dynamic there i can't i saw it in the in the theater i came out so i can't remember but i love the neighborhood i've been there several times uh i i haven't seen it in like a decade i just remember
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Starting point is 00:24:59 like bipartisan weather balloon just to see how many people will come around to this like sweeping voting reform bill and the goal i guess is being like trying to get senators to work with republicans and to get them on board but we all know that is fucking useless uh given that they're just entirely an obstructionist party and also the voter reforms that they're proposing that's like you know trying to get the snails to support a new mass salt dropping program across the nation it's the bill is an existential threat to them so fuck them just keep it moving joe so this is either joe going you know full centrist at the expense of the country's future and trying to like shore up our voting laws to keep voter suppression at bay or he's trying to triangulate and create pressure on the gop before fully going you know
Starting point is 00:25:53 scorched earth but i don't think that's gonna happen he's probably somewhere in the middle um because he knows the gop is bullshit uh but he also isn't willing to go fully like on switch it to progress mode either so i think they're like so the plan so far we've heard that they're the democrats plan that they are saying out loud is democrats say the strategy is twofold quote it will make republicans go on the record in opposition and could demonstrate to democrats wary of reforming the legislative filibuster that much of their agenda will be stuck in limbo without reforms and that is it that's the idea that they would just bring back the them having to filibuster
Starting point is 00:26:32 like physically is that if they amend it right they could have a talking filibuster or they could just say we're not we're gonna go just straight majority vote here i'm not crazy about for this that idea yeah i think it needs to be the majority vote because the like amending it to just make them physically do it relies on them having shame. Yeah. Like they're not going to like that. I mean, they will do that gladly. You know, it's not like they're it just seems to rely on this type of big D Democrat thinking that, like, will shame the Republicans into acting correctly. You can't shame people with no shame. Shame the dog into not shitting on the carpet.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Right. Dog doesn't fucking know shame. Right. You're talking about. I mean, put it outside. Miles bipartisan weather balloon was your Herald team, right? Yeah, exactly. It was actually composite sketch. And the logo was every member's face in one in one fucking form.
Starting point is 00:27:36 No, like, you know, this whole thing, the way they said it's even working now, just look at fucking gun control. Right. Nearly 90 90 of the country is in favor of universal background checks 90 of the country that that number includes republicans yet the gop and democrats are acting like their careers will will end for i don't know protecting people in the country chris mur Murphy from Connecticut, who had a turning point after Sandy Hook, like in terms of gun control, he's he's really vocal about the shit. He said, quote, if a measure that has 90 percent to 95 percent public support and can't pass the Senate just because of our rules, not because it doesn't hurt the majority of support in the Senate,
Starting point is 00:28:19 then something's really wrong here. Democracy dies when things that have the majority of support in Congress, the support of the president, and 90% public support can't become a law. Right. So how is that? So what's going on? And I think, you know, meanwhile, throat-faced killer Mitch McConnell is pump-faking again, saying he's going to go, this is going to be a nuclear soldier and for everybody you know you
Starting point is 00:28:46 don't want any look we we get it we've seen what happens when you have all the chambers wrapped up and you go for shit that is so wildly unpopular you end up pulling back because you're like oh fuck there's no way people are going to be on board really with all this shit so it's a bunch of fucking nonsense and you have senator thune lamenting that the whole, I think, argument from these constitutionalist type conservatives who are trying to make this argument about the Constitution, about being like the 60 volt threshold prevents the majority from trampling all over the minority. But even without the filibuster, the Senate still preserves minority rule when you just do some back of the napkin math. Right. In terms of like representation? Like the fact that they have that Wyoming has as much
Starting point is 00:29:32 power as California? Right. Like right now, even beyond that, 50 Senate Democrats represent roughly 61% of the country's population. The 50 Senate Republicans represent just about 49% of the population and the reason it's not adding up to 100 is because some states have split like they have
Starting point is 00:29:50 a senator from each party so don't don't that's why it's adding up to 110 i wasn't gonna correct your math man i can't subtract two minutes so from the run time of the show and even when you put mansion with the republicans right like even even there was there was no filibuster freeze if there was no filibuster in the senate they could still use a simple majority vote to stop anything right you know what i mean they could get mansion they could court a vulnerable democrat and boom you've still managed to as a 49 percent share of the country pushed back against the 61 percent share with a simple majority vote so i'm failing to even understand this thing of like it's gonna stem the the tide
Starting point is 00:30:33 of uh of just how imbalanced everything is yeah it it seems like there were two kind of possibilities with biden heading in there was the he's going to try to negotiate with the terrorists and triangulate like Obama because he's an old school politician but then there's also the fact that he lived through Obama just having his entire presidency paralyzed by trying to do that and like you you would just think that like, that would teach him that like that, you know, after Sandy hook, they weren't able to get gun control, uh, past, even though it was, you know, supported by the vast majority of the country. Like the, this isn't new and he has been the vice president while it was happening before like what it really seems
Starting point is 00:31:28 like he should be ready to move on this yeah it must be bizarre to have been vice president for eight years then taken four years off and then become president yeah right for sure you know just so especially those four years the worst fucking four years that have ever happened i feel i swear to god i got anxiety disorder from those four years oh yeah i think it's like you're like a good comedian and a terrible open mic or before you know like i'm gonna crush this though the bar is so fucking low right now i'll say one one setup punchline structure joke and people think i'm fucking and you just stretch your prior but it's like the way he's slow walking this shit is like a parent that's not willing to fucking punish their child for bad behavior like you keep threatening the punishment you're like if i do you won't have toys and i'll turn i will i will and you and they don't give a fuck they're
Starting point is 00:32:24 like i don't fuck toys mom yeah i don't give a fuck. They're like, I don't fuck toys, mom. Yeah, I don't give a fuck. And then the parents like, what do I do next? You got to bribe them with chocolate, I think. You know what? That might work. Fuck it. Yeah. Try it. They're like, you know, I'm kind of coming around to this voting thing after they dropped off that big Hershey bar. voting thing after they dropped off that big Hershey bar at my house. Well, let's talk about something that Biden is focused on and ready to move on. And that is firing people who have ever smoked weed. Oh, my God. You know, far be it for me to worry about, you know, a handful of Ivy League kids who are going to have to go work in the marketing industry instead of the biden
Starting point is 00:33:05 administration for a couple months but like when you consider how how many like people within like politics probably within this administration have blacked out before let's say and then they're going to fire like fucking nixon was blacked out drunk and bragging about how he could launch a nuke towards the end of his presidency and they're gonna fire someone for having smoked pot legally in the past that feels like i don't know weird yeah it just it just feels like a very like specific place to be coming from that is decades ago. Yeah, I don't... Who the fuck, Joe? Who are you?
Starting point is 00:33:54 I'm going to make a bad confession for being a Daily Zeitgeist guest, but as of January 20th, I have not looked at the news since, because I was like, I've been glued to the news for four years, and i need some time off from it so i actually didn't even know about this weed firing thing until right now yeah it how it kind of became a story over the weekend they were like yeah we let go of like a small number of people and they had other issues so it's not like they they still wanted to be uh they wanted credit for having a more liberal policy than previous administrations. But it's still like, yeah, but it's it's legal now. And also even the pod save America.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Tommy Vitor is like, this is absurd in 2021 that that's part of a security clearance background check. Right. Like what the fuck? I don't't know that guy's famously a big pothead yeah i mean yeah we we see tommy at all the dispensaries around town just fucking smoking like a chimney yeah but yeah i'm shoes i don't know what the fuck he thinks this is gonna prevent or how this makes his like his cabinet or administration function better. Or if he's just so hopped up on this. Because I remember when Joe Biden was a child, they were saying, the Negro and the Mexican become lustful for the white woman smoking the devil's weed.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So he's like, I don't want that. Corn pop. I'll push back on corn pop if he's puffing that weed. Also, I believe your vice president was on the fucking breakfast club or somewhere laughing it up about how she's like i'm jamaican my family's jamaican right i think which if i've smoked weed i mean i'd be worried that he was gonna have to do something there if i believe remotely that she was telling the truth uh but she did not come across as somebody who uh
Starting point is 00:35:47 so you think you smoked more weed than kamala harris yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah oh four oh yeah i just need to ask three questions you know what i mean what's your favorite movie to watch hi what's your favorite thing to drink hi what's your favorite snack to eat high yeah she's like uh yeah i don't know same question willy wonka uh but i personally don't think you should be allowed to have that much power if you've never done drugs like your brain isn't ready like look at look at hitler look at trump the things that they had in common was that like they didn't drink didn't they were very anti-drugs until they started using uh basically cocaine uh via prescription when hitler was loving the meth though yeah but it was all it was all subscribed uh or prescribed via doctor right as a way like yeah yeah using opiates to you know
Starting point is 00:36:46 keep the veramacht and also strong meth is one of those things like i think psychedelics like think uh even weed like gets you outside of like your narrow perspective of like how and like kind of at least alters your relationship to your own ego and like self perception and like that's incredibly important perspective for somebody to have if they're going to make huge life or death decisions for uh vast swaths of uh the human race and yeah but you know it's funny though you could probably i bet charlemagne could have tricked joe biden admitting he smoked mad weed because joe biden just seems like one of those opportunistic common ground makers out of thin air oh yeah man he's like oh yeah me and uh
Starting point is 00:37:37 uh dorio we used to hang out and he would bring these cigars over and they had they smelled different i'll tell you that and then he'd put some sunny rollins on and we would bring these cigars over and they had they smelled different i'll tell you that and then he'd put some sunny rollins on and we would it was a party i said back when i smoked it was called grass and wasn't as strong as this stuff today that's why and that's the reason because this stuff i don't know what's going on i forget what day it is and without it anyways this is some bullshit um again not the not the number one uh concern with the was there any like did they have an actual statement as to why they felt it was important or like imperative that people who were working in that administration have never smoked weed no it was basically like there were other issues that they like kept it vague
Starting point is 00:38:26 but then one of the people who was let go was like they did not give me any specifics on like what it was why we were being let go um and it wasn't just like five people there were people who were fired there were people who were placed on like this like work from home thing lest their uh contact high like start spreading across the administration yeah geez yeah so it's it's fucked it's just you know they presumably like somebody was like worried that it was going to become a thing um and so they yeah i mean this um this will also make for humane drug policy too. If this is how you're looking at shit like weed, you're like weed,
Starting point is 00:39:09 get out of here. You failed human. Also, you want me to have compassion for drug charges? Get the fuck out of here. Like, what the fuck is this? Um,
Starting point is 00:39:18 all right, let's talk about, uh, facial recognition technology. You know, this is something that in America, corporations are at the forefront of because corporations have all the power.
Starting point is 00:39:33 So the bleeding edge of facial recognition technology use is China. The People's Republic of China has every face in their population in a database and is able to track people. And we see that they have concentrate active concentration camps happening in China, but in America, because we are a capitalist nation where, you know, capital has all the power. Corporations are kind of the main actors. And we're starting to see what that might look like in practice in Disney World. We had a previous preview because Amazon was, I think, planning on opening these stores that have, like, cameras everywhere.
Starting point is 00:40:23 And you just pull things off the shelf and it like matches your face to your Amazon account. Right. And then you just walk out. You never have to never have to check out. They're like, oh, we know what you bought. Right. Oh, fuck off. want to think for a while with these uh magic bands which are like uh live strong bracelets uh mixed with uh that collar that they put around your neck that makes your head explode if you
Starting point is 00:40:52 leave uh the prison camp in some 90s movie that i can't think of the name of was that in um well in wild wild west they had some weird collars though too that would yeah yeah yeah come through and then uh what's another one anyway look there's there's plenty of there's plenty of booby trap vests and in that real life robbery uh they also did that oh yeah right um but that was like remote detonation anyways uh they're different than the one in a swordfish from the opening scene so they're uh magic bands they give them to you ahead of time and then you don't have to like swipe anything you just like walk wherever you want and it tracks you and then like you know it knows you're coming to the gate so you don't even have to interact with somebody you just walk
Starting point is 00:41:39 through the gates and they're like okay that he has the magic band we're good um and they're just basically planning on expanding that to facial recognition technology which is more terrifying than like you might think at first um one of the big issues is that they are staggeringly biased against people with darker skin people of color they had facial recognition technology that was tested had error rates of up to 34 percent for dark-skinned women a rate nearly 49 times that for white men 49 times so it's also based on my limited experience with my new face unlocking iPhone. It's biased against people who sleep on their face. What do you mean? Like when you wake up, it's like, who the fuck are you, bro?
Starting point is 00:42:35 I can't unlock my phone for like an hour after I wake up. It's like, ah, what the fuck? It has taken me all year of the pandemic i cannot stop trying to use the face unlock thing with a mask on and it never recognizes me but i still every time i do it i hold my phone up to my yeah it's and it's a panic too have you ever tried like pay like with your phone somewhere yeah fuck do i take my mask off for a second to get the baby like no fuck passcode passcode passcode right but you know they're they're pointing out in this article and our writer jm kind of put together a piece on this just saying like we have we have precedent that corporations will share any
Starting point is 00:43:19 surveillance technology they have access to with the police um oh yeah and you know many police departments in the u.s including new york chicago detroit and orlando have begun uh using facial recognition technology so it's and it's also like a little like a lot of people don't talk about the fact that disney disney world is named after a man who was a secret fbi informant during the red scare like from 1940 until 1966 yeah from 40 to 66 he served as a secret informer to the fbi uh and just like sold out writers producers directors technicians union activists that he suspected of political subversion which i'm sure just meant like you know any sort of collective ideas about fairness right yeah wait hold on they called me racist yeah oh no no that sounds like some
Starting point is 00:44:19 communist i need to call i need to call my boy real quick. Walt snitch me over here. Meet me at the Tam O'Shanter and I'll give you everybody's name. Yeah, and the Red Scare, obviously, for our younger listeners, ended up being bullshit. So don't. He was just selling people out because it was convenient for him. And to be an informant for that long you have to be giving a lot of names right like you they it's not like they're going to let you just skate without uh as just an honorary fbi informant like yeah he was the mob you call him a top earner right exactly i mean he's go out there and crack some fucking skulls a good reference
Starting point is 00:45:05 i mean yeah it's we've talked about this every time any kind of algorithm is created based on like identifying any kind of person just the inbuilt racism is just unavoidable because at the end of the day it's always flawed human beings trying to create a flawed algorithm yet there's still this like we're thinking about the future in which we can digitally suppress people of color it's going to be awesome yeah the it's like if minority report like you find out oh those precogs are white supremacists oh it wasn't a clever name. They were just going after minorities. Right. Got it.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Cool. Cool. Oh, minority report. Oh, minority report. Right, right. I thought it meant, I don't know what I thought. I don't know yet. I don't know why I thought that yet.
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Starting point is 00:50:30 Or Big Lebowski, remember that? Except he said also cry. I think about that line probably more than any of the dudes quotes. I think of that sequence. Oh, yeah. And brent being like like just that tour he gives of his wall of fame but strong men also cry is just yeah it's top it's top shelf right there um but yes oh that you know this is the case of the gopP men who this is their battle cry in that 49 percent, according to this new poll, 49 percent of them said they will not get vaccinated and they don't care about getting the virus because fuck that.
Starting point is 00:51:17 Meanwhile, 92 percent of male Dem voters said they are ready and willing as soon as they can to be vaccinated because they're they're acknowledging science um but it's just like this again it's about this idea of masks whether it's masks or vaccines i think we saw this first with masks and realizing that it was literally toxic mask unity happening there where people like nah fuck that uh you know that make that means i'm weak therefore i'm not a man because i'll die of a preventable illness. And even their fucking Godhead, Donald Trump, got vaccinated. So it's just like this weird thing where even if when you're the thing you're a fan of, even though they did it, he still can't overcome this idea of what it means to be manly with a big capital M. Yeah, that's uh fucking disturbing well there's a story right now in the lily which is a like a sort of offshoot of the washington post that's talking about the struggle
Starting point is 00:52:12 of like spouses of conservative men that are trying to get their partners to get fucking real about shit and get vaccinated and it's like like, it spans the, like the whole spectrum from, you know, one person just being like my son or my, my husband is a Jehovah's witness and he's a conservative. I'm a Democrat. We still find a way though. Um, but for whatever reason, this one, he's saying it's whether it's religion or his like, just idea of what his destiny is. Um, they, they just can't come around to it. And, oh yeah, just again, a very easy thing that sociologists have observed, saying that if a man views his masculinity
Starting point is 00:52:51 as central to his identity, studies show he will be less likely to wear a mask. Would not be surprising that this pattern would hold over vaccinations. And some people like trying to bribe their partners to get vaccinated like bribing them um this one woman uh granger's wife who also voted for trump worried the family would be limited in where they could go on vacation granger's family usually travels to disney world
Starting point is 00:53:18 every year he said and she thought the park might require proof of vaccination granger's wife was also worried about her elderly father who still hadn't received his vaccine if granger wasn't vaccinated he recalls her saying he might put her dad at risk ultimately granger agreed to get vaccinated we've been together since august 10th 1985 we've built up enough trust we know each other well enough to know when something is really important to the other your Your fucking life? You not dying. That's... Yeah, it's... There's some physiological thing
Starting point is 00:53:52 where testosterone is actually a toxin where it is actually in enough... It's a poison to the body. Wow. I feel like this is like the psychological, like social version of that, where it's just like masculinity is trying to kill you. Like this version of masculinity is toxic and is like literally toxic. More worse for you than heroin. Like you're like trying to kill yourself right just because
Starting point is 00:54:29 getting getting vaccinated and living dude that's like the most unmanly shit i've ever fucking heard of bro right the big dogs they die prematurely preventable causes like what the fuck i like when you see a couple walking around and the girl has a mask yeah the guy doesn't i see that all the time yep that's always my favorite you see so much in la though too you know what i mean like yeah it really is like i mean i'm sure you see it everywhere and i'm only saying that because i live here so this is my one example of it yeah but like out on like hikes and shit. Hikes. That's right.
Starting point is 00:55:05 I always see the mixed ideology couple. There's always going to be one person. Not always, but there's no matter what, some person is just on a different kind of program or has like the wildly offensive non-mask mask. That's like chain mesh. I feel like,
Starting point is 00:55:23 I feel like the dudes that aren't wearing masks on those hikes always like, because of course I'll have a mascot. They always like kind of stare me down. Like, I dare you to say something. Right. And what? That's what their masks is. And it's around their neck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:42 I mean, I would, you would just early on i remember like in may of last year there were still people who like weren't rocking masks and it was like clear like we're about to go through it and i i would just be like put a fucking mask on like i would just be biking by or whatever and some people would be like oh like would actually cringe and other people would are kind of the ones who want the smoke and like fuck you yeah and you're like all right idiot the loudest i heard like the biggest fight i ever witnessed was a woman like flipping out on an older dude for asking her to put on a mask like she like her at the anger came from somebody who wasn't willing to put on a mask which is just
Starting point is 00:56:26 yeah i mean it's it's very like that seems to be the pattern and those like viral videos of people being dragged out of bed bath and beyond is like their their complaint is that they were asked to put on a mask yeah yeah they get very very angry and then lose it you know what i mean like no one's ever calm no one's a calm anti-masker no everyone is just sort of like always a freak out i need a i need like some kind of release valve to lose it in public and the way i'm gonna i'll catalyze that interaction is by just not having a mask and then i can scream because i'm actually unhappy about a myriad of other things many many other things but normally i just come in here to just yell at the manager because the fries were called yeah i mean there's there's obviously like at some level they
Starting point is 00:57:18 recognize that they're taking their life uh into their own hands or you know they're putting their life at risk by not wearing masks so there's already some aspect of their personhood that is like on tilt and like is not uh making rational decisions so it makes sense that like yeah the that would coincide with people who are just like what did you just say to me, bro? I didn't say anything, man. I was just walking along. Yeah, it's just like ask. It's probably the same day people get pumped up for like a big rivalry sports game. You know, you watch the clips of all the times your team fucking fucked up your rivals.
Starting point is 00:58:01 You know, in this case, Tottenham Hotspur for me, who still is in our shadow. But you watch those clips and you get amped up just like these anti-masker people watch the I have a disability card videos and just hop into it just like that they're like I'm off this energy I've just been watching all this YouTube and I'm fucking ready for the same shit I've been watching because in that article they're saying the one through line was that there were many people either partners or parents who were seemingly reasonable in their past, you know, in the before times. And then they have just slowly succumbed to the steady stream of bullshit and misinformation they're getting off their phones that has completely warped them. So it's just like, that's so disturbing.
Starting point is 00:58:41 I'm really glad that didn't happen in my relationship. I came close. That's so disturbing. I'm really glad that didn't happen in my relationship. Yeah. I came close. I mean, if you think about it, Charlie, if you think about how much oxygen you're not getting by when you have a mask on, that has to count for something in the long run. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:58:57 But I'm off it. I'm off it now. I'm off it now. Get the fuck off my podcast, you son of a bitch. If Fauci said to jump off a bridge would you do it that was something i literally saw somebody uh no but i'm not jumping off a bridge so what right huh the the new tactic that i've seen is concern for the environment trolling for anti-maskers because you know i i've had to keep some people on my instagram you know because that's how i that's how i stay in touch with the earth you know some people who like normally you probably just be like unfollow for self-care
Starting point is 00:59:32 follow for research and self-harm but you know i like i see some of the takes coming out of these people and one was just this like captured debate between these two anti-masker activist women and they're being like you know three it's true the pollution created by disposable masks is alarming like there's a ton of discarded masks and things like that and that is something to talk about but they're just purely relying on that fact like it's destroying the earth and there's really no point i mean like you think about all the plastics that aren't going to degrade i mean at that point like why are we wearing the masks to destroy the earth in the effort to save life?
Starting point is 01:00:06 And you're like, what the fuck? Just a second ago, you were saying how fucking renewables are fucked up. Suddenly you're really into recycling. Get the fuck out of here. All right. Let's really briefly check in with another sort of side of the right wing coin uh and that is uh friendliness to saudi arabia and specifically mbs so a un investigator recently was like leaving her position she was the one who was in charge of investigating uh hashoji's uh murder and basically was like yeah it looks like it looks like uh mbs totally approved that shit but even
Starting point is 01:00:54 like as she was first like asking questions uh a high level meeting took place between uh saudi officials and un officials so it was like an official meeting with the un in geneva doesn't get more official than that yeah and uh they criticized her reporting made up a conspiracy theory that she was uh being funded by q. And then one of them said he's received calls from people who want to, quote, take care of her. And everybody on the U.S. I was like, wait, I'm sorry. What did you just say? And everybody, all the other Saudi officials were like, oh, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:01:41 He didn't mean that. That was just like him saying what he's heard. But like, he didn't mean that that was just like him saying what he's heard but like he would never say that then all those officials left the dude who had said it stayed back and was like no i meant what i said you heard me motherfuckers all right i will have her taken care of and so she still you know heroically went went forward with her investigation completed it found out what everybody kind of suspected was true and yeah i mean in fairness that guy was the head of the hospitality bureau first this the country of saudi arabia so i think when he said she will be taken care of oh i think that was an
Starting point is 01:02:20 invitation oh yes she will be taken care of by all means linens will be changed have you seen the four seasons is a prison uh in riyadh yeah it's just wild that's i mean those are how's that surprising you know yeah that's uh well you know our former president normalized saying something threatening and then and then having a bunch of defenders go oh he didn't mean it like that right and then him saying i did mean it like he did not fuck what you heard fuck what you heard it's i didn't fuck what you heard it's what you're hearing and i'm saying this shit now i'll do that shit he didn't we haven't talked about his uh upcoming social media platform really um i yeah yeah i'm gonna quote sopranos again i don't know what that is and to be honest with you i don't want to know
Starting point is 01:03:17 that's my favorite sopranos quote is christopher comes in and tony's like sit down he wants to talk to him about something he goes is, is this about the Easter baskets? The Easter baskets. Oh, that's right. And then Tony goes, I don't know what that is. To be honest with you, I don't want to know. And you never find out, right? Like the show doesn't let you know.
Starting point is 01:03:36 It's never mentioned again. This is about to explode. I think, yeah, with the revival of Pokemon cards, I just think of Pussy when he's like, you know about these Pokemon cards? All right, let's talk a little self-care here. I find myself doing this. I think a lot of people are finding themselves not getting enough sleep, procrastinating, letting things kind of hang over your head head and then just like sitting on your phone in bed for hours right but not knowing that's what's going on i think a lot of us know just
Starting point is 01:04:12 close your eyes is this you have you been in the darkness in your bed and the only light is the cell phone which is glowing on your face and you're in bed being like why am i still on narco tiktok it's been three hours and i'm laying down and i what the fuck and you're just not going to sleep there is a parent there is a word for this that was like a combination of two different studies but they've now they've called it revenge bedtime procrastination the revenge part comes out of a chinese study so like the way they were labeling it just sort of translates like that but it it makes sense but the way these experts are describing it revenge bedtime procrastination they say is common in people who feel they don't have control over
Starting point is 01:04:54 their time such as those in high stress occupations or parents and things like that and are looking for a way to regain some personal time even if if it means staying up late. Cause you're like, fuck, I didn't have shit to do all day. Okay. The one thing I will do is again, I'll look at narco tick tock and that'll be how I'll go to sleep. Um, and it says when it quote, when it comes to the evening,
Starting point is 01:05:13 they categorically refuse to go to bed early at a time they know will suit them best and enable them to get adequate restorative sleep and feel better. Nevertheless, there is a sense of retaliation against life so there is an idea of revenge to stay awake and do whatever fills their bucket and that's that is um like the idea of filling your bucket actually i found myself uh staying up to watch movies more uh over the past like month and i do find myself like more refreshed and like having like having art like put into my brain is like actually energizes me more than uh just going to sleep an hour and a half earlier and not having that i sometimes. So you're arguing on behalf of your revenge procrastination?
Starting point is 01:06:05 I am. Yeah, I am. Wow. Okay. But then that might not be it for you. If you're actually saying, when I wake up restored,
Starting point is 01:06:13 then I don't think you're suffering in that sense. Yeah. I just found myself like being very focused on like, okay, got to get to sleep by this time. And, and then, you know,
Starting point is 01:06:24 I started being a little bit more uh lax on that and just like making more of an effort to uh once my kids were in bed actually take the time to like watch something that was interesting to me or you know fill that bucket up a little bit and i think it's been overall a good thing i do have this eye twitch that you guys uh have probably noticed uh and one of my ears is bleeding yeah and you've only been shaving half of your face and i i thought it was a style thing and now i'm just sort of like it's pretty cool getting yeah the long side beard call me two-face and i was like all right jack i think the movie theory is working the shave path is fully
Starting point is 01:07:06 made up right no the thing they say is like if if you're a serial procrastinator uh or like the things the personality types it may affect is like you're you are a serial procrastinator um that's me for sure or you have issues with self-regulation, which they say like, are, you know, you have traits such as like impulsivity or being easily distracted. So if you haven't had the time to process all of your emotions throughout the day, you really just may be using the end of the day to do that. And that sets off this thing of like, I actually just need to have time to like process a lot of shit, but it's manifesting in the form of like just scrolling or whatever it is we
Starting point is 01:07:45 do at the very end of the day that keeps us up for ever. Yeah. I mean, what do we do? This is, this is kind of tangential, but rather the movie thing I've been lately, I've been pretty,
Starting point is 01:07:56 I'm knocking on wood here. Lately, I've been pretty good about going to bed at a reasonable time, but I've definitely had phases like what you're talking about. But I found that for a long time during the pandemic, especially, I would just like I was saying, I watched Gavin and Stacey three times through is like I would just watch like the same shows over and over again. Like I'd watch Queer Eye again. And, you know, it's great. I love it. But I have found that when I watch like a screener instead and take in something new, I feel like I sleep better. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Then kind of just looking at the same wallpaper again. greener instead and take in something new i feel like i sleep better yeah yeah oh right then kind of just looking at the same wallpaper again yeah yeah like something about you i guess it maybe it
Starting point is 01:08:32 uses your brain a little more to have to take in the new information rather than the old right but just like jars something loose or something yeah something like that. Yeah. I love the, my favorite aspect of this study is the idea of like one part of your personality taking revenge on another part of your personality. Because I think that's, I mean, that's so true. Sounds like an M. Night Shyamalan movie. Yeah. But it's also like, there is a lot of psychological research that, you know, says it is helpful to just think of yourself as having multiple people inside of you and they're not obviously like it's not like this one is named jane and she is the one who smokes but like just you know the wait no i want to do this tell me more about this maybe this
Starting point is 01:09:19 will help me deal with my anxiety so there's like anxious charlie and then there's just like not anxious charlie well first you got to shave half your face, Charlie. Right, exactly. And then... Which side do you want? You want anxious Charlie or happy Charlie? Happy normal Charlie. short term that they know are like harmful to the later version of themselves and there's that ends up almost like branching off into two different versions of the self um but uh and then yes you do have to shade like make one half of your face one of those people just to let people know you literally contain multitudes and we're the most mismatched outfits. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:07 Half a button down and half a tank top. Well, Yankee hat, Red Sox shirt. Who is this guy? Who are you? LeBron James? Yeah. Oh, wow. Good point.
Starting point is 01:10:27 But a lot of the experts are saying, you know, one of the best things in general, sleep procrastinator or not, is to do something is the power down hour of breaking up the last hour of your day into three 20 minute segments the first 20 are dedicated to things that need to be done if you have any loose ends i need with some emails or whatever you have 20 minutes to do any real shit get that done the next 20 minutes for hygiene so they say such as a hot bath, just something to relax you, just kind of probably bring your attention to your body again on some level. And then the final 20 minutes are for relaxation. So meditation, prayer, journaling, you know, whatever that is. Do something like that just to kind of bring your energetic level down and be a little more inward. I can't agree more with the hot shower bath thing that's like my go-to um because it's just it whenever i've you know back when you used to travel for
Starting point is 01:11:11 work and you'd be in a unfamiliar hotel room or something i have trouble sleeping and then you're thinking like shit i gotta be up in like six hours to do this other fire and then you and did they really wash these sheets right and then you're fuck it. I'm sucking on them anyway. But then you take a hot shower just to really settle your body down. And then getting in bed makes it so much easier for me to sleep. Oh, nice. It's also like bath cultures, like Japan, Turkey, Finland, those kind of places. Baths at the end of the day are very normal.
Starting point is 01:11:43 And I think there's another inbuilt way to begin your relaxation i really like this everything about this that especially like i do feel like the first the part that i when i'm thinking about like things like self-care routines i often will leave out the the first step which is take care of the things that are going to be like hanging over your head that is gonna like take up so much energy uh and you're gonna like let it you're just gonna give so much energy to like that task whereas you could just like knock it out it's like an email that you'll knock out in five minutes and also like limiting that to 20 minutes. So you have 20 minutes, get that shit done and forget about it. That's the part that I always forget. And then just let these like things that are hanging over my head.
Starting point is 01:12:32 And you wake up being like, fuck, I did. Should I write that email right now? It'd be weird if I write it at two 30 in the morning. I'll wait. And then you're like, ah, damn. But it's like the day's already started. And like, yeah, the first thing on, yeah, but yeah, you got it. I've been having with sleep all the time is like waking up really early, like five 30
Starting point is 01:12:52 in the morning and being like, fuck. Uh, and then being like, oh, I'm not going to be able to fall back asleep. Should I just get up? And I'll be like, I'll think five minutes has gone by. And then I'll look at the clock and it's like nine and I had fallen back asleep and didn't know it. Right. Right. Right. Right. right right yeah yeah getting the shit done is key though you know a tip to anybody when you have shit that you have to do just write it i'm not joking this it's the most like fucking overused tip but write it down on a list the act of crossing something off
Starting point is 01:13:21 even as simple as being like write that email it will lift a tremendous weight off of your subconscious if you know even if the physical act of being like yep i love did that you know what i mean and and then you can make it easy you got three things like if you're doing these 20 minutes like even just write out those three things that are on your mind that you know you have to get done just Just do it and go boom. Yeah. It's so much. It's powerful, baby.
Starting point is 01:13:48 Yeah. Get you a post-it note. My to-do list will have these like, if I let them, if I don't like think about it, they'll have like these very like vague, huge things that I need to get done like on them. Change life. Exactly. It's like address relationship with father okay figuring that uh i'll probably knock that out tomorrow a different version of me we'll knock that out tomorrow have reckoning with childhood trauma of divorce as it relates to current problems with commitment. Knock that out in 20 minutes at the end of the night.
Starting point is 01:14:30 There you go. All right. And reckon. All right. Well, Charlie, it's been such a pleasure having you, man. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? pleasure having you man where can people uh find you follow you hear you all that good stuff um you can listen to my podcast bald talk which is on iheart radio and the big money players network and uh we have an instagram at bald talk pod and then you can find me i've at charlie sanders on
Starting point is 01:14:56 instagram and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yeah i feel embarrassed it's about the sopranos yeah i feel embarrassed it's about the sopranos i feel embarrassed i've talked about it so much but this is a tweet i like you guys know who mark harris is uh film critic no thanks oh he's he's much of his twitter is political um so trigger warning about that but it's uh but he also is very funny so like every like 20th tweet he says something funny so okay that's when he's talking about a dream he had in my dream carmela soprano and rosalie april have taken a shopping trip to milan and are staying in the same hotel as adam driver and lady got carmela quote do you think he's handsome very tall rosalie she should use a real name what is
Starting point is 01:15:47 she ashamed that's so isn't that hilarious that's such a good line sopranos line that was never in the sopranos about lady gaga yeah um yeah you guys should check mark harrison i think you'd like him he's he's super funny he's written some great books about film and stuff it honestly that sounds i and i hate to nitpick that feels more of like a gabriella dante line than a rosalie rosalie's a little more aggro and she's definitely smoking a cigarette yeah yeah or she would add some it's like what is she ashamed like being italian isn't good is a rosalie appeal line gabriella Dante is like, what is she ashamed? Yeah, totally. Anyway.
Starting point is 01:16:27 Well, thanks for having me on Sopranos talk, guys. Hey, we always love talking Sopranos. Frankly, after most guests were like, that motherfucker didn't mention Sopranos once. We'll never have him on again. Talking about income inequality. Miles, where can people find you find you what's tweet you've been enjoying uh twitter instagram playstation network miles of gray also if you like reality shows come listen to me and sophie alexandra talk trash reality on 420 day fiance talking 90 day and others as well uh some tweets that i like man it's a lot of good tweets uh this one is first of all i retweeted it but there is a photo of justin bieber like laughing
Starting point is 01:17:15 and someone just said like these photos make my heart melt but someone quote tweeted and said the people's princess because it really does look like princess diana and i'm just gonna put this in the chat really quick so y'all can see this and have a reaction with me but this is a photo of these are two photos of justin bieber and it has such strong diana in the 80s vibes holy shit yo whoa what the fuck that's crazy he's look he has the people's princess vibes uh another one is uh from noah harold at noah harold it says in like 0203 i bought coke out of the window of an suv on coanga that was baby blue for some reason did it anyway in the bathroom at daddy's on vine if you remember that bar with a friend that friend just
Starting point is 01:18:05 told me he's not sure he's going to take the vaccine because he doesn't know what's in it and then one more from colin young at colin y-o-v-n-g stylized uh tweeting in zach snyder's justice league superman goes crazy and batman calls calls him Clark thus finally answering three doors downs question oh man yeah well it's just uh you know now it's ours it's thank you let's see what else did I like I liked this story from Helena handbasket. She tweeted, My neighbor just dropped the cake she was carrying from her car into her house and sat down and cried until her husband carried her into the house
Starting point is 01:18:52 and I've never felt a stronger connection to any other human being in my life. Baking her a new cake now. Oh, shit. Even has a Hollywood ending. Elena Smith tweeted, Nobody is ready to party like a vaccinated grandparent.
Starting point is 01:19:08 That's true. Oh, yeah. My mom and her homegirls, I don't, like, they're time traveling the way they're, like, partying every day together and, like, sending pictures like, oh, mask off! And I'm like, okay. I'm like, you know what? You deserve it.
Starting point is 01:19:23 Yeah. And tying into something we were talking about at fibula one tweeted there's just not enough time in the day and then screen time 11 hours 23 minutes yep uh you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram, and we have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our
Starting point is 01:19:53 footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, and also a song we recommend. You can also find all that in the Shannotes. Shannotes. Which is the text that comes out with the episode anyways miles what song is your recommendation for today um this is going to be a mash-up of the notorious big's uh unbelievable with the uh jackson or no with the Express Yourself.
Starting point is 01:20:25 Okay? You're going to put this together and you're going to get something really, really something wonderful. And this is just again from Nick Bike, wonderful DJ, but you've got to get this one on SoundCloud. Okay? That's the only place you get it.
Starting point is 01:20:40 But that link will be in the Shorn Arts. Try not. do you fuck with uh what's that app it is called hype machine oh yes that's a good place to good way to yeah find find shit like that anyways um that is gonna do it for this morning we are back this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we will talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye. Bye. In 1982, Atari players had one game on their minds, Sword Quest, because the company had promised 150 grand in prizes to four finalists, but the prizes disappeared, leading to one of the biggest controversies
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