The Daily Zeitgeist - Forgive, Forget, Fascism? Impeachin’ This Creep 2.0 1.12.21

Episode Date: January 12, 2021

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 167, episode two of Dead Dailies, High Geist, a production of iHeart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Tuesday, January 12th, 2021. Like seven, eight days until

January 20th. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. One More Time. Trump's trying to coup today. Oh yeah, oh no, don't call for violence. That is courtesy of Soltis and

I am thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host Mr. Miles Gray. Hey who I'm is. Perma band man. Twitter kick me off fam. Crying all night. 45's got no backup plan. Call me Baron man. Always John Baron

man. Wait they got parlor damn rudy's got burners man uh thank you to christy yamaguchi man at wopple house for that rubber band main uh inspired aka yeah i mean wow now now the now now actions are taken hey so weird i'll take it i'll take it um i don't know yeah trump got banned at right after we recorded our last uh episode of last week uh so um yeah big whoo hey i don't know yeah who's that who's that ghost coming in who's that ghost from the wings the decent the ghost of american decency she is the hilarious and talented caitlin dorante what's up i've got a new anagram to share. This comes from a Bechtelcast Patreon subscriber, so I don't have their

Twitter handle. So if this is you, let yourself be known. But this is from Chris. That's the only way I know how to identify them. But the anagram is tinier anal duct. Okay.

Tinier? I think it's an improvement. Tinier anal duct. Tinier anal duct. How do you have all of these? And no, it's tinier. Yeah.

It's a tinier anal duct. You can't even see it. You can't even see it. If you have a pen, just put a dot on your paper. There it is. Yes, Caitlin traditionally brings anagrams for her AKAs. For any new listeners, we have heard Latin Dancer UTI.

We have heard Nine Tit Dracula. And we got a new entrance into the Caitlin Durante Anagram Hall of Fame. A tinier anal duct. Anal duct. You're welcome. Yes, thank you. the Caitlin Durante Anagram Hall of Fame. Tinier Anal Duct. Animal Duct. You're welcome. I'm always just in awe. It's always like, that had to have been every single word now. And now we're getting even more obscure

and specific. It used to be Latin Dancer UTI. I thought it was the best, and now it's tinier. Okay. Looking forward to the next one. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you guys uh thank you chris and uh all the artists all the anagram artists it's truly an it's an it's a science and it's an art right yeah yeah perfect blend like hacking exactly like hacking you have to hack the letters of my name too it's really's really, it's like there's a whole-

It's like sample-based hip-hop. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, I know, that's familiar. Isn't that Caitlin Durante? No, that's 9-Tid Dracula. Yeah, the remix. Exactly. Remix.

Oh, shit. Leonardo da Vinci, famously big into anagrams. If you read the Da Vinci Code. He put his codes that would span across time and be so difficult nobody could figure them out. He put them in as word jumbles.

Also the Da Vinci Code written by Leonardo da Vinci. Yes, of course. His most famous work. Caitlin, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna just check in with the news cycle uh it seems like uh just generally we're trending towards uh forgiving forgetting is this impeachment thing really gonna work out and then there's some fear-mongering stuff happening about how

they're planning more attacks uh so we'll check in with all of that you mean fear-mongering to dissuade from impeachment yeah to dissuade from impeachment that that the uh there are attacks planned if trump is removed from office before i believe that either way yeah i believe that i don't think that we like has that ever been the policy of any country let alone fucking america to to be like well they're gonna do terrorism if we uh don't do what is going to keep the most people safe so let's just sit back and let it ride so we'll talk about that and how the Republicans are asking for healing. We got Impeaching This Creep 2.0. So maybe we'll hear a little bit of that.

I think we are. I'm talking about Impeaching This Creep. We'll check in, ask the question, is this a new era of social media? And we will also check in with Saxon Musk Musk which is the name of one of Elon Musk's forgotten children so I just have a tweet from him that I want to get you guys thoughts on all of that plenty more but first Caitlin we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are I just

googled where and when is paddington three i need to know i i found no new information oh boy i really needed that one caitlin really needed that one uh there's nothing even announced i mean is it in development uh do we know if there's a deal i believe it's it's in development still i don't even know if it's gone to pre-production there's information about the only thing i know is that paul king the director of the first two movies is not returning or at least he was which is like i know it's like oh you we need paul king there um we don't really know anything about release dates. Uh,

what, who, who's the villain? We, we know nothing. Oh, the only way this could possibly get worse is if the Democrats divide the country and go forward with impeachment,

then the day is truly lost. I would say, Oh my God. I know. I'm sorry, everyone. Oh my God. I know. I'm sorry, everyone. Oh boy. Have there been examples where a director directed the first two and then the third one was actually

like, okay. It was on par with the, you know. With the new director, you mean for the third movie? Yeah. With a new director for the third movie. I know there are some people who ride for Jurassic Park three, but generally it's seen as like not a good one i think it's like uh film nerds who thrive on alternate takes and dying on the wrong hill yeah yeah um but you know home alone we saw that that one fall off although i don't even know if home alone 2 was directed by

chris columbus i'll tell you home alone 3 was wild as shit yeah yeah i mean they recast everything i couldn't handle it do you know if uh paddington is going to be played by the same paddington he damn well better yeah i think i would imagine so i think think, yeah, Ben Whishaw is never not going to be Paddington now. Good. I know. All right. What is something you think is underrated? I think quitting is underrated.

Specifically quitting comedy. I think more people should quit comedy who are doing comedy i think i should quit comedy i think we should all just normalize quitting as like a as a good thing every time i've ever quit anything i felt really great after quitting it i think you know we generally associate uh negative emotions or negative um you know uh connotations with quitting and i think it's generally a pretty good thing i mean i think it's all how we look at stuff you know like if you're quitting something or you're treating your life as a collection of experiences that you sift through and some you like and serve you others you don't or aren't what you thought they'd be and then you you put

that aside and you allow yourself to evolve more i think that's like the hard thing too is like creating a language within your mind to make it like because the word quitting feels like you're just throwing your hands up you're like ah i don't have what it takes up yeah yeah versus like oh this isn't actually the ideal way i thought my life was going through this narrow way I was defining it. So now I maybe can let that go in service of something that is more appealing to me or more fitting or gives me the better feeling as I engage with it. projects and just being like it has to be this and causing myself so much distress because i wasn't allowing myself the flexibility or elasticity to be like yeah don't just i didn't have to define myself as only being successful in this very narrow way versus like what the feeling is i'm chasing like am i fulfilled versus like am i on snl right and i'm neither of those. Podcast stuff's comedy, though, specifically?

I don't know. I, well, I mean, just the grind of like doing stand up and like that. I mean, now that that's obsolete or you know put on hiatus indefinitely right um i'm just thinking about like if if ever we resume like a more sense of normal like kind of go back to the way we were of like being allowed to go outdoors and be around people and like go to venues and have shows and stuff like that. I'm thinking,

I'm like, do I even want to go back to that? Do I even, do I want to keep go like doing, so I don't know. I'm kind of, I'm kind of torn and I'm like, maybe I should just quit.

Was I even getting that much enjoyment out of it before all this? So I've got some things to think about. Got to honor yourself though. Number one. I think that's the one thing that i've learned overall through you know this 2020 and everything is just how much more like it how much more important it is to really be focused on your well-being or sense of like happiness versus like traditionally used to be like well if i do this or i get this or i work there then i can be happy.

And thinking that happiness is like this transactional sequence where you can very much engage in happiness, but you have to kind of find it and really embrace it. That's what the movie Soul is all about. Soul? I think that's what got me on this train of thinking.

Oh, man, he's chasing it. Chasing it. Oh, boy. Is it good? I haven't seen, boy. He was chasing it. Is it good? I haven't seen Soul yet. I've been trying to get my kids to. Yeah.

I rather enjoyed it. It's good. I was hoping it would be Black Coco, but it wasn't. So I was like, all right. It's more like, it has like a very broad human message. Because, you know, just to see the characters, I'm like, oh, these are African. Okay. Like, was it Black People?

Like a Black Pixar movie? But it sort of transcended it. Not that it needed to myopically be this sort of like, you know, portrait of blackness in America through Pixar filters or anything like that. But it ended up being just like very like, I was like, is this for kids? Because, I mean, I'm over here like second guessing my shit watching this. I'm like, yo, this might fuck a kid up. I'm over here like second guessing my shit watching this. I'm like, yo, this might fuck a kid up.

Yeah, there's all these people in their like 30s and 40s and older who are like, damn, like Soul really spoke to me. And in a way that like is not really relatable for children. I mean, I guess it's like a kid who sees it will like take that message into their future and like into their like career and hobbies. like remember so career and hobbies right but um yeah it's like not the the themes that the movie explores uh like aren't super for children right i think it's still good but yeah yeah i mean that never that never stopped them from like like we so i put on the part of disney plus that has the pixar movies trying to be like oh look at this one looks pretty good and uh they they wanted to watch wally again they're at that point where they like like to watch things a thousand times yep yep and wally is still such a great movie but yeah it does not like it's some dark shit like to wrap your mind around they're like wait so why are why do they look like that now why is everybody so lazy um

because a runaway consumer culture yeah exactly like oh what um yeah but i i'm gonna get to soul in the next week hopefully yeah i watched it i remember like that was the best part of that break when you're like oh shit like things that i've never seen before are now watchable online yeah and i like i was never quicker to watch something i think that's like the one interesting part of these films being released on digital is like it's really it's eliminated all the barriers or obstacles for me a lazy like fucking sedentary rock person uh would like have like not going to a movie i'm like i don't know just press buttons and i'm watching the new great i love it yeah i was just picturing

one of those rock people from the uh never-ending story ah yes yes yes that shit freaked me out another movie uh i watched when i was in my thousand movie phase it was labyrinth and uh never ending story labyrinth i fucked with heavy because my mom like vibed with david bowie so she's like yeah you could watch labyrinth why should we put that on again wait what is your thousand movie phase like you were saying like when you're a kid and you start watching oh watching a thing it'd be like you're like i only know how to watch again get satisfaction from watching this same piece of content over and over and over again. And even when people go, I remember vividly, even as a kid, when my like anybody, older cousin, parent, uncle would be like, you know, if you like this, you'd really dig.

I was like, fuck you. It's not this. No. What do you mean? It's like, is it this? No. Then no, I'm not. What the fuck are you talking about? Pass. Hard pass.

Hard, hard pass. I have some that are, I think, universally among just different generations like Jaws and Karate Kid, but then Teen Wolf. I watched Teen Wolf so many fucking times.

And that is just imprinted on me as like, this is what you should expect from a movie. Caitlin, you've talked before on your amazing film podcast, The Bechdel Cast, you've talked before about how Titanic is one of those movies for you. Oh, yes. There was an entire summer where I watched it every single day twice i spent seven hours a day watching like a full-time job um twice a day like for like uh was there a seven

hour block or you kind of you punctuated your day throughout the day you needed to hit it twice no no no it was a full no breaks no p breaks even oh so it was like going into work like nine to four yeah exactly i would get up in the morning uh it was back when there was on the two vhs tapes so we'd watch the first tape watch the second one then have to rewind them both and then just immediately start over after rewinding them you didn't have like the the vhs uh rewinder machine on deck he's like no get in no we weren't that. You didn't have like the VHS rewinder machine on deck? No, we weren't that rich. We didn't have a separate

machine for rewinding. Oh, man. Well, let me tell you, that just allowed for just a few more viewings of Ace Ventura, Pet Detective on VHS for me. What is something you think is overrated, Caitlin? I think making your bed is overrated.

Wow. I'll never do it. I think it's a waste of time. I think it's a racket. And I don't get it. Big bed. Big, what is it? Big military that's pushing us to make our beds?

Yeah, exactly. There are some people I know who ride really hard for making your bed like uh who are just they're just like it really helps me mentally if i make my bed to each their own to each their own yeah i don't because i guess some people like i understand looking at them like you don't want to get into a messy bed like i i can i can understand that i don't feel that at all because i'm like you don't want to get into a messy bed. I can understand that. I don't feel that at all because I'm like, I don't give a fuck. There's only me sleeping in this motherfucker's. I'm like, some secret family has been sleeping in the bed all day.

And now I'm like, oh, I don't know. That you know of. Yeah. But I get the process because I remember in high school, one of my first high school girlfriends she was a fucking militant bed maker and like we weren't having sex or nothing like that you know it was like i'm we're i'm tutoring and then we make out in your room type shit and i remember like we'd be on the bed and she would like fucking straighten everything up i'm like you got an inspection coming what the fuck no i just really like it neat she's like there's no better feeling than when you get into bed and you pull

the sheets and you can feel this shit and i was like okay you're just like this is like yeah yeah yeah i'm like okay good for you like i get into it when i get into the hotel i yank the bottom part of the fucking shit out before i even get in the motherfucker because i hate that tuck at the end it's so restrictive i hate yes yes absolutely thank you. I am in a, my significant other is very messy sheet-wise and also will sometimes snack in bed and it is a big point of contention between the two of us. Wait, so how do you handle that? I'm also not a morning bedmaker, but I will make the bed before we get in the bed at night just to have it so that there is one sheet and not just a crumple over in one corner or something. Right, right, right. But yeah, there's little goldfish crackers.

Cracker crumbs are my... And then my kids will then feed off that. It's like bait. Yeah, exactly. That is fucked up, though. Like, I know that feeling you got dirt in your bed and you feel that shit on your skin. Like, what the fuck is this shit in here? It's like, no.

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Let's just check in with the news cycle it's moving fast uh this is our first recording in a couple days uh and you know the so i think pence has officially said he's not gonna the 25th amendment's not gonna happen um oh he said definitely not now he said not going to, the 25th amendment's not going to happen. Um, Oh, he said definitely not now. He said not. And then he said he was still open to it over the weekend, but it just seems like more and more people are assuming it's not going to happen. Right. Uh,

even though, you know, those people tried to apparently seem like they had the intent of possibly doing him harm up and including to killing him. The first coordinated chant eyewitnesses, uh, the first coordinated chant after they broke through the glass was hang Mike Pence.

Uh, and they had, uh, a gallows set up out in front of the Capitol and zip ties. Um, we actually talked on a episode towards the end of, uh, last week about the uh security guard

his last name is goodman oh the capital police officer yeah the capital police officer who was it seemed like he was just full-on uh in retreat mode because there's this huge mob and apparently that was part of a strategy to lead them away so that they didn't hang mike pence or anybody else uh and it worked because you see at the end of that video they this angry mob walks into a open sort of atrium where there's a bunch of other cops um yeah but it's wild because they say the timing of that was like the recording of that moment was maybe around 2 14 is what they think when he basically gets up to the staircase and looks down the hall where the entrance to the senate chamber

is and realize there's no one there to guard it so yeah like that move was just like shoving the dude in the q shirt and then making it and luring them the other way is like it's wild the whole everything about that whole shit is just so fucked up especially now when you see more and more the fucker the very high probability of fuckery that was going on yeah within actual law enforcement uh it's just like it's like every day it just gets way more less of a thing you can laugh about yeah you know like it's one thing when it was like whoa look at the viking dude ha ha ha he has horns on and then you like you just start seeing like the timeline of events and how coordinated things were and even how things weren't coordinated and if they were could have been much more severe um but yeah but still i think there's a definitely

a group of people i definitely see that on the internet who still think this is just some shit to make jokes about like and i get that through humor we can make ourselves slightly more comfortable in dealing with something so fucked up i totally get that but like there are some takes i see that are completely dismissing of it as like anything to actually be serious about um truly just being like, oh my gosh, can you believe these yokels? There's a CNN article about how there is currently unprecedented support for Trump's removal from office and it hinges on passing the impeachment. But then the article talks, most of it is spent talking about how passing the impeachment will fail because it won't happen in time and people will want to put this whole thing behind them and the Republican Party, even though that is now like a white

supremacist hate group, like they're still both sides in it. Like, yeah, but on the other hand, this these people are on board with it. And then there's an article that went up yesterday morning on on abc about how uh the fbi is saying that there is a huge armed uprising that will happen if uh trump is removed from office ahead of inauguration yeah and it's not like so we're on it and we're taking these motherfuckers down it's like so like the way it's written again it's just right because it's almost unimaginable other outlets who covered that same fbi communique are just sort of like yeah this is bad you see um it's not going to stop because they're already saying you know and a lot

of people were saying the reason that the trump twitter was taken down was that tweet when he said i won't be at the inauguration basically giving it a green light for violence yeah um and then a lot of other people who are much more you know uh up on like op sec and how social media companies work and how they can actually foresee certain things are like they probably saw really saw how much activity was happening on their platforms to organize another violent act. And we're like, oh, shit. Okay. Like, we already let that one happen.

So, yeah, it's a it's it's really hard to watch, too, because everybody else, there's certain people who are like, this is such a clear and present danger and has has been for years decades were but even more specifically let's give them the benefit of the doubt and be like okay you didn't you didn't learn about white supremacy till this summer okay right you found out this summer and you really didn't do much about it and you still let this guy say all this other shit and let him let all this other shit slide and this is where we are but um it's it's truly it's like you want the all leadership to be in the same place uh like on you know both sides of the aisle but yeah you're seeing how republicans are like well you know we're we're gonna try and like delay you guys realizing how much of a cancerous malignant growth we are uh until it's too late the i i mean most of the mainstream media coverage of the response to this is around uh

trump's twitter getting uh indefinitely suspended or you know parlor getting kicked off of all the different uh platforms where people were able to use it um and i feel like it's not like that that stuff is should be par for the course but like there there's a story about how fox news is moving its only news show from the 7 p.m block uh to the daytime to make the evening programming just 100 pure trash um like they they're going to have a no holds barred all around like round table of opinion contributors at 7 p.m instead of a news show um and the opinion contributors have since the uh attack on the capitol have been talking about you know how it was led by uh antifa and spreading like widely debunked rumors like they're the fact that they're still pushing on the fox news side is oh yeah i think what should be seen as most remarkable by the mainstream media

facebook and fox like that that's still a huge component to all this that's still their diet sure you took trump's twitter away and parlor but they still got fox they still got facebook and it's from all the people that are like monitoring things yes there's fracturing happening on the right especially in the like the alt-right trying to figure out okay well did trump screw us is he a plant is this q is it not do we go more violent do we retreat and there is all this kind of just chaos happening at the moment but yeah well you look at fox fox and friends this morning janine pirro you know she compared the

deplatforming like of uh on like on platform parlor and shit like that she said it was quote akin to kristallnacht yeah yeah the night of broken glass um wow i mean and i think that's what's that's but that's what i don't know half of me is like do people know do half of these people know what crystal noctis probably because it's like of calendar they date they celebrate because they're fucking despicable people but right it's it's just weird of all this you know using these historical examples to try and whip people up who for a moment began to actually like look at what's going on uh would see just how absurd it is but this but we're not dealing with people who are are reasonable or can be reasoned with like that much is clear there's

nothing you know they the from hearing like um interviews with people that were at the capitol there were some people were just like I don't know like I'm waiting to kind of like take orders that's why I showed up and other people were like oh when they went in the Capitol I was like this is too much for me and I left but there's but every sort of part of the spectrum

is being currently represented in this party and they're all very vocal yeah I mean the Kristallnacht thing really reminds me of, you know, a strategy we've talked about them constantly using, which is when somethingallnacht was like a signpost, like big moment in the Nazi uprising. They start accusing social media for banning them of being Kristallnacht, which is, you know, it just takes the, it turns that accusation and that characterization, which is uh you know it just takes the it turns that accusation and that characterization which is obviously much more appropriate uh coming from the left about the right um is obviously much more

appropriate in that direction but it turns it into a no you are which is kind of deflating i think right that's why they do it. I mean, it's funny, too, because even in Kristallnacht, you know, German authorities just watched and sat idly by as it happened. Yeah. You know what I mean? And, like, there's so many things you can map on to what's happening currently in the United States

and compare it to fucking nearly just, like, not inexhaustible, but plenty of modern examples of how not addressing this or taking these sort of things seriously over time just becomes a completely runaway force that becomes very hard to deal with. And at times will completely overtake a nation. so yeah it seems like there are people like that's the fox news side is sit back be like well these are people or rush limbaugh these are people who uh they're saying like we're just you know sick and tired of it and just trying to normalize that shit and then you do have the side of it that is outraged and are trying to turn this into like a bright line that they crossed but it's there is certainly that contingent that just wants to let this thing slide like yeah who were like yeah no you should be walking that old lady out

holding her hand and letting everybody leave uh the the capital after they stormed it. Like that is, yeah, there is a huge fascism problem in America now that there are a lot of people who are openly for it, who have been openly for it. And if we're not aware of that after this and after, you know, Fox News's response to this, then we like you have to be actively ignoring it to not be aware of that. Yeah. And you can basically start a countdown timer to when these people find a way

to come back into power fully and not fuck it up a second time. Right. Yeah, all experts in historic fascism are like, this is the first step. This is not the final step, or at least traditionally in history, it hasn't been the final step. This is the failed coup that precedes the more well put together, more coherently planned out coup, which then precedes the actual taking of power. than precedes the actual taking of power. Yeah, but just some journalists have done a deep dive into who was actually there. They haven't been able to find a single left-wing agitator,

which I think the right was certainly looking very hard for. But it's you know, there there's a Republican political donor and CEO of Cogentia, some shitty named Chicago based data analytics firm Cogentia. Arrested with a group of a half dozen Trump supporters who clashed with officers Wednesday inside the Capitol. He had contributed more than twenty five thousand dollars to Trump's campaign. Derek Evans, a Republican recently sworn in as a delegate to the West Virginia House. Live streamed himself. And yeah, live streamed it. He said he said his name. He said Derek Evans is in the capital and you're like okay uh thanks for making it easy there's a lieutenant a texas sheriff announced thursday

he had reported one of his lieutenants to the fbi after she posted photos of herself on social media with a crowd um yeah seattle pd they know at least two of their like on duty well they weren't on duty but people who are from the department were there too yeah and all over yeah yeah i mean it's like that's all it takes you know like you you need buy-in from like you know the moneyed people in maga world which are a lot of these people like that that sort of hotel lobby scene that we saw right after where people just kicking back sipping drinks everybody looking sort of like a pretty you know upper middle class to upper class gen xers boomers what have you that they're the analysis too is like you know for as

much even i would and i think we would even talk about how, um, poor people are manipulated into sort of seduced by this sort of ideology, which is true, obviously, but the, there's a, this other thing that was really interesting is that a lot of the, uh, like a lot of the contingent that was there too, are like people who are like the, like wealthier people of the areas in which they live in. Um, not necessarily when you compare that to like the entire United States, but like demographically for where they are, they meet those things as well. And so there's just this,

it really, it's a broad coalition of people, but there's a lot of money invested in it too. Because when Charlie Kirk is bragging, now we don't know that he said the turning point had paid for 80 plus buses of people to be taken up there. It's not just, yeah, there's people who clearly have the money to be there themselves. Then there's also people who are willing to enable this for those who don't have the means to be like,

I will physically get you there, but I just need the chaos from you and I will use you for my own aims. And that's what makes, I think the future of this, like it's such a multi-level problem aside from the social media, like the dark money spending. We don't know who the fuck is actually funding all this. Like people are funding this. People funded all of this shit that went down last week. They,

from the people who, you know, there's like, there are sort of like a go fund me type things for like Patriots who are in need of financial assistance that they will help subsidize your travel to get you to an event and things like that. So it is definitely like, we have a lot of light that we have to shine across the, across the board. Um, but again, these are all things that a lot of people have been saying from the beginning, like you to get this like weird dark money where you don't know where it comes

from out of politics because yeah it allows things to be like i'll basically pay for thousands of people to just be there and then you do what you got to do and then hopefully you know match gasoline boom yeah and i think i think there's a need on the part of mainstream Democrats to acknowledge that these right wing institutions that are asking for unity from the Democratic Party are actually, you know, they're either have ties to fascism or enable actively enabling fascism. Like Turning Point USA needs to be... Skull fucked. Yeah, into non-existence. Yeah. There's this woman, Christina Malamon, in the article, just listing all the people who've been identified using social media,

them shouting their names, like you said, as they entered the Capitol. But she is a higher up in turning point usa like she's an ambassador for them uh it's actually interesting she's like the forrest gump of bullshit trump activities she was the organizer of that boat parade in oregon where all those boats got oh right she's like one of the in the leadership for like the young republicans yeah yeah exactly um but she also has pictures with donald trump jr and roger stone and She's like one of the in the leadership for like the young Republicans. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But she also has pictures with Donald Trump Jr. and Roger Stone. And it's, you know, and there's a business owner from Utica, New York. Like it's it's all sorts of people who have power in their communities.

Like you were saying, I was like, these are people who are wealthy people in their communities who are pushing. And they could take it. And again, they're taking advantage of people in a lower socioeconomic class than them by being like, Oh, I can get these people turned up because they look up to me and I look up to him and they look like,

it's like, it's like this, just, you know, the snake eats its own tail. But the unity cheers are just so fucking anybody who for a second entertains these things i mean please enlist to be on the front lines to fight these people in a few years like if you really think that you can just be like oh hey like it's like a i don't even know i we i don't

know i'm running out of examples of what this bullshit is like but you know there's lee zeldin who's a representative from new york and this is like but you know there's lee zeldin who's a representative from new york and this is like the kind of takes we're seeing across conservative media and even like weird centrist dem apologist media uh wednesday's violence was terrible but some people need to take a deep breath breadth interest breath like the breath Anyway. And look in the mirror. Those who committed acts of violence in the Capitol must be held accountable. But stems and media eager to use Wednesday to settle political scores would only be dividing our country more. You divided the country. You are dividing the country. It's only going to divide more Republicans. And there is a thing I saw this like take on Twitter all the time that sort of you don't heal with insurrectionists. You deal with insurrectionists. That's that's what has to have you. You have to deal with these people because all they're saying it's like just I don't know.

I don't know. It's like a guy has a fucking gun and he's walking close to you, but he's smiling. And I was like, well, I don't know. They seem nice. Like he has a fucking gun and he's walking close to you, but he's smiling. And everyone's like, well, I don't know. They seem nice. Like he has a fucking gun. What are you talking about? It's like nobody, but he looks nice.

And he was, he was sorry about the last time he shot everybody and wasn't smiling that time. And he has those fancy little friendship bracelets. He wants to give us, Oh, Oh, those are zip ties.

Oh yeah. No. And that's what people will happen. Like they're so used to not seeing each other as a threat especially like or seeing this white supremacy like manifest into this mob or whatever and be like oh that's that's a problem because these people actually came here to stop anything from moving forward past donald trump any kind of progress past that is what they were saying oh this is our red line like the most progress we'll tolerate is donald trump anything past that well then it all bets are off because that's a

threat to whatever diet i'm ingesting but it probably has to do with american exceptionalism and white exceptionalism yeah just to continue with these examples uh the minority leader mccarthy also saying the same thing our country's not just divided we are deeply hurt the task ahead for the next congress and incoming biden administration couldn't be more momentous first of all okay yeah it's now it's on them uh but to deliver a better america for all partisans of all stripes uh first must unite as americans and show our country that a peaceful transfer of power has occurred impeaching the president with just 12 days left in his term only divide our country more what do you mean more you can't divide it more than people saying we're here to fucking chop off one branch of the government through

violence or overturn an election it's like triangulation but uh clinton kind of made an art form of this thing where he would take what's on the right take what's on the left triangulate in the middle and like that would be the uh most popular position that he could take on anything and that ended up with him basically uh governing as a republican um but that's sort of a cheat code for the old form of how the government operated when both the democrats and republicans were kind of working within the system, even though they were like had fucked up values, like they at least agreed on what the rules were. And now that is no longer the case. But we have a leader coming into power who,

you know, the first time you heard unity coming out of someone's mouth after the events of wednesday the 6th where you know biden saying like we need to come together and it's just i i feel like he's uniquely like a sitting duck to be targeted with this sort of unity bullshit yeah i would be shocked if he put any muscle, any political capital behind the impeachment and removal of Trump or the holding accountable the people who stormed the Capitol. I mean, it'll be interesting to see because he's he's he has such a romantic idea of making out with these Nazis like they're going to be like, oh, don't worry. Once I kiss them, they're going to like oh don't worry once i kiss them they're gonna snap out of it and everything will be okay right no like anybody who is saying and like because you know they're really doing the the right is doing the most to throw this like distraction flash bang down of like self-victimhood and censorship to completely

take the conversation away from uh the Republican party just led an insurrection and five people are dead because of it. Let's, let's talk about that. I don't care about the other stuff because if you is insurrection good or bad, right. You know,

like our, can we, and then if that's bad, then let's really keep going further in there to actually keep this thing focused because all that does is because too many people are stupid and just watch TV and are like, well, I don't know. They're not, I guess on TV, they're not as mad that they almost tried to kill every, like a bunch of people in Congress. I guess we can move on based on like the cues I'm getting on TV. It's bad.

But, you know, I will say this with the censorship thing, Twitter, permanent ban. And he tried to flop from burner account to burner account. It was like whack-a-mole. They were just banning people left and right. Snapchat took him down. I think there's a quick lock, whatever that is, but it's going to be... He doesn't really use Snapchat anyway. Facebook and Instagram have a short to medium ban. And we don't know what indefinite means, but that's what they said. Shopify and PayPal have pieced out, but parlor is the one that is really the one that people are using to focus on because a parlor will have them completely skull fucked. Uh, as I would say, they've been taken off of the Apple store, the Google play store, uh, Amazon

isn't hosting the actual servers anymore and they don't have any way to make transactions the ceo went on fox and said uh at like amazon apple and google were attempting to quote actually destroy the entire company and he also added that he'd been quote ditched by their lawyers um you hate to see it and you also hate to see that a ton of hackers, whether they scraped and hacked all this information off of there to the point where ninety nine point nine percent of its content has been saved with like raw geo targeting, like geo location data affixed to every piece of content from there. So whether that is actually used in a meaningful way, I don't know, but it'll be hard to feign ignorance and be like, well, we just don't know who these people are because there's a lot of people outside of law enforcement, especially like people who've been doing a lot of anti-fascist work and reporting to be like, nope, we need to do that. We need to capture this. Got

to figure out, let's save it all. People, if you find live streams, we need to save it all because who knows what law enforcement's going to say when they go, Oh, I don't know. Facebook said they deleted it. So I don't know what we can do. And then you go, hi,

there's all this shit. Please look at it. Um, but that's really, that's a wild thing to think as well, that they have over 56 terabytes worth of shit from there. Um, and some were even claiming that they were able to, to get to the data that had people's like lice drivers,

licenses, uh, attached to accounts to the data that had people's like driver's licenses attached to accounts. To become like a true patriot poster on Parler, you had to scan your driver's license so that they knew you were a real person. And so they have access to that for like some of the bigger influencers on that platform. So it should be fairly easy. I mean, it's... You'd think, you'd think, you'd think, you'd think. How is the FBI still asking us to give them tips? I mean, there are arrests happening,

but also it seems like, I don't know, in other instances, they would be all over this shit. Yeah, I think it's a dip. I don't know. I really don't know how how they think or operate over there. But I mean, there's a lot of also like damning allegations against the FBI and their response to what things are going down at the capitol as well right um but it makes sense because trump has spent the like the interim since the election putting fucking stooges in these positions like at the pentagon and shit so right yeah uh when you need them suddenly it's gonna you're gonna have people like devin nunes's best best boy in the building being like oh i don't know i guess i didn't see anything and just slowly um you know just hamstringing the response yeah it's been disappointing just across the board the the law enforcement uh response yeah surprising yeah i don't know that's why it's like

it's so weird because i'm like well i, I probably would have been like, they're not going to do shit. And then when like, they're possibly not doing as much as they could. It's like, fuck. Right. Right. Yeah.

That's there. We'll, we'll, we'll see who, who, what side people are on. But that's why I think, um,

whatever Democrats do is, is going to be an indication of just how serious they, they take this threat. Regardless of what Joe Biden says, like you'd hope in Congress or like, I don't care what fucking joe said i was like we were hiding uh and we heard these people screaming and i would have hated to be on the other side of that door without any protection yeah um and see where they go with that yeah uh i my hopes are not high uh despite what pete budieg's campaign would tell me.

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where it's like let's let's let's wait till uh biden's been in 100 days or after the inauguration so the senate math is different um and others are like you know there are people there are republicans in the senate they're like absolutely i'm not gonna no uh mcconnell hasn't really said anything i don't know what will happen that's what's so you know that's that's why you're like you look at what it takes because the house can just get it through purely on their majority uh but then what happens when it goes to the senate and what form does it take do you have to then have the chief justice preside over like the hearing the senate trial or do they just take a vote there's so many ways to

do it uh and my head was spinning over the weekend just trying to like catch up with all these like wonky like scholars who are like well there's this way then there's this way but if you do it this way i'm like oh i don't know man like god couldn't pence just be like this motherfucker tried to have me killed so i'm not playing that anymore so i hear there you go uh 25th amendment boom boom uh and there's even report but that's that's not easy too so all it just everyone seems like yes we know it's so hard to do but i was like oh but it's so hard and you know maybe then we'll forget about it it's just the connection between how urgent this is and then being caught up in like the obstacles to it is just like so stupid because you're like well then so the alternative is just to be very passive about it

right right that doesn't seem helpful no not at all did you guys read the like 200 post analysis of uh trump's speech on on twitter this dude just like went piece by piece through every part of trump's speech and just kind of laid out how openly and clearly he was uh using language that that crowd would have understood to tell them uh to go to go up and raise you know uh basically do what they did uh but hopefully you know they he he did he made these like chilling things like in the alternative uh mike pence isn't gonna want to know what happens to him or shit like that that was just straight up like you know a death threat um or a threat of violence and then yeah another another interesting note is that he keeps being like and we're gonna go up there and we're gonna like he's gonna be with the crowd and then he went back and

uh you know hung out backstage with his son listening to gloria and then uh went to the white house and watched on watched on tv and then complained that they looked poor really did you read that headline yeah as he was watching he was making complaints about the appearance of the fucking insurrectionists wow that they looked low class i don't know why that's surprising to me i don't know but like but that's just so real you know what i mean like it that whole that whole ideology is based on exploiting people weaker and poorer than you for your own gains and not giving a fuck. Even people who support you are dying.

You're like, I don't care. I'm just trying to fucking stay out of jail, dude. Also, I'll take your money, too. Who does he think voted for him? Does he think everyone's a millionaire? Oh, yeah. Kanye, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, all the cute people. Only cuties voted for me.

I don't know. Yeah. I mean, but that just shows how even then his ego is so wrapped up in all of it that it's it's not even the pure pursuit of power. Like if it was, he wouldn't give him a fuck if they all looked like shit and couldn't read like Dan Santa. But like the fact that it's just more like he also wants it to like look slick, like, oh, like where's Giselle and Tom Brady? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, it's still this weird. It's still very theatrical.

like it's still this weird it's still very theatrical and it's it's interesting to see the levels of people who are actually connected to the severity of what had happened and those that like are not because clearly we saw the lines of like oath keepers that were like you know serpenting through the crowds very in a very organized fashion to get to the doors and like there were people with a they're clearly motherfuckers with a plan who use these big ass crowds for cover. And then you have people who like I've just been I've been trying to read as many interviews of the actual people who went in who are just kind of like some people like, yeah. And then we got in there and and then we showed them. And it's like, what?

And you showed them what? Right. You didn't. And there's like this thing where that's I think the dangerous part is like those people who found themselves walking in and then kind of being confused when they were in there and be like, oh, huh, what do we do? Oh, I'm on a no fly list now. Um, like those people getting them to that next point where they know what to do is what is the actual danger here is like, there's plenty of people who were, who just went to the fascism show uh and realized oh i think i kind of vibe with this i didn't realize fascism was the headliner i thought i was there for trump but fascism closed the show out and i some people didn't fuck with it some people have been you know down since like their first couple albums and i just heard it like i heard some stuff but now i'm kind of interested because it kind of made me feel powerful in a way

that put me diametrically opposed to all these other things that I've been ingesting, saying that these are the forces I'm working against. And that's what I think, you know, that's that radicalization process that people need to begin to think about and what deplatforming means in terms of emboldening those people. Because you're damn sure not going to storm a Capitol if you didn't think a president had your back right you know what i mean the just over over the weekend i was kind of researching a lot of like stuff about historic fascism for no no real reason whatsoever and just some light reading your hobby one of the experts was pointing out that like yet another red flag we should have seen a long time ago is that fascists are typically disgusted by their supporters like fascist leaders are oftentimes the way that trump is towards his supporters they're just kind of a means to an end that uh because it's driven so much by narcissism and for the narcissist nothing that they're trying to fill the hole in the middle of their soul with is ever good enough so right you know he hates

the supporters for the same reason he hates donald trump jr um it's they they don't live up to his image of what you know how what it would take yeah what what it would take to make him happy which it would that that's never going to happen so um that's kind of why it's this perpetual uh despair machine both internally and then out out outternally is i think the correct outturnal um i wonder is that why uh had Hugo Boss design the Nazi uniforms probably he's like honey these uniforms are a mess get Hugo Boss in here

we need to look sexy we need a head to toe makeover he was a PR he was obsessed with PR and looks it's the beer hall push that failed and his ass is in jail. He starts being like, all right, so I need to I need to fine tune this propaganda now. Exactly.

Like and that's what is, you know, again, just like anything, you want to do something bad enough and you get fucking thwarted. You'll go back to the lab and try and figure out how to do that shit better. And that like to think that that process is an emotion, I think is just so naive and foolish. And as much as, even as you listen to this show, you might not want to acknowledge that there is a growing issue of fascism in the United States, but make no mistake, this is something that our lives are not going to be the same and we are going to have to confront this issue head on for anything to happen because the you've clearly seen there are people even that you think will protect you that are in on it right uh that or at least don't give a fuck to the point

that you know you are protected or you are safe. And I think really accepting that is going to be the first step of the citizens of this country to actually be participating actively in snuffing this shit out because it's not going to be handled just by Nancy Peluso and Chuck Schumer. Which is why all this talk about unity

and we have to unify from Republicans and Demss is just like it feels like it's just brushing this very real issue of fascism under the rug. And it's just like, forget about that. It's unity. That's what we need to focus on. And it's like, yeah, no. It's just like what happens to any huge issue. It's like, oh, no,'m telling y'all uh you know white supremacy and racism is a big issue in this country centuries later you know what i mean yeah

and what's gonna happen if people do the and i get it you don't want to think you live in a country where you might have to confront fascism directly or have that shit on your doorstep and decide what you would do uh like to you know speak up against it uh or call somebody out or really try and figure if you have a hand in probably doing something to take someone's influence away or draw i don't know whatever it is it's uncomfortable but that's the thing people have to accept and you can tell like for people who are like joking and being like like it's all you know whatever it's past it's not it really isn't it really really isn't and i and i don't mean that to like you throw people off but it's just you can't you can't look at what happened and you can't say that this isn't going to radicalize more people, that this isn't going to this ends on January 20th.

I mean, people on fucking TV being like, guys, on January 20th, though, Joe Biden will be president and we can find. Uh huh. Uh huh. Yeah. We'll go back to, you know, mass shootings from white supremacists that are just swept under the rug and then presumably more and more coordinated fascism um yeah one so you know just kind of tying this all into the social media movement of you know trump being uh banned from twitter and you know we were talking about the beer hall pushed it's interesting to me that like fascists at that time you know, we were talking about the beer hall pushed. It's interesting to me that like fascists at that time, you know, I've talked before on this show about how the creator of the loudspeaker blamed himself for the rise of fascism.

Yeah. Because it was this new technology that enabled one person to reach a stadium full of people as opposed to just you know whoever was in earshot and I that is an explanation that gets swept under the rug because it's not interesting and it's just kind of weird to think back of like technology we take for granted as something that when it's new and unregulated and people don't know how to deal with it can lead to the rise of these authoritarian and fascist uh you know hate groups that turn into like national governments that wage war but one of the uh commissioners at the EU or the EU commissioner was speculating that,

you know, this could be the, a turning point for social media and for just big tech in general, if they actually, you know, follow through and keep using their platforms to persecute uh or prosecute fascism and you know fight fascism uh because you know the thing that is needed is is for them to i don't know like they need to take responsibility as publishers not as platforms they need to quit it with this platform shit because when they act like they're just a platform and everything is unregulated, fascism just inherently wins out. getting spread on their platforms as they put into trying to grow their platforms, if not more like, I mean, they also just put an entire industry of fact checkers and journalists out of business.

So like go hire all of them and put them on fact checking and having some responsibility and what your platform is used for, because it is used as a publishing tool and you're just not, not acknowledging that. Yeah. And even the, a man, if,

if you have to explain censorship to people again, I'm sorry you do. It's so sad how people just go like, you can't, I can't do racism wherever I so sad how people just go like, you can't, I can't do racism wherever I want. This is censorship. No, that's like if you get arrested and they're just saying based on just solely

what you see, you can't say that you're arrested for saying that now for committing, it's for saying that for having to take too hot, you are arrested. No, they're saying you're engaging with a private company you know what i mean and you you've entered an agreement by using their services and for them to just fucking mine the shit out of your data uh for you to say that shit and when you and and when you violate it that's

when you're taken off and i think even people to like there are people that are much more intelligent who understand this is not a censorship thing. But I think the interesting take on it I've seen is like, I think this just demonstrates the gigantic power of big tech though too. That a couple companies go, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's pull the plug on this. And suddenly it gets quiet. Yeah. And then you're like, so what does this mean exactly? Do you have a monopoly or something?

What's going on here? Because I think that's another issue that obviously has to be addressed as well. But the idea of, you know, all this other shit is just such a deflection from, you know, five people lost their lives because this person in the Republican Party just basically, you know, bankrolled an insurrection low key and use a bunch of stooges and people on twitter to kind of keep the momentum going um on the 1984 stuff uh i retweeted this guy gabe del delahaye uh who tweeted just to be clear the president being able to invade your consciousness anywhere at any time to spout off psychotic nonsense is way more Orwellian than the president not being allowed to do that, which I think is a good way to kind of put the whole thing into perspective. just taken for granted or, you know, claimed that they aren't responsible for, uh, wielding up to this point, like that this needs to be a huge focus of, and also it would create jobs.

And that's the most important thing in America. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, dog. I mean, hey, just creating jobs in the Capitol, man. All that cleanup. That's right. I mean, hey, creating jobs in the capital, man. All that cleanup.

That's right. Caitlin, it's been a pleasure having you on The Daily Zeitgeist, as always. Where can people find you and follow you? You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram, those wonderful social media platforms that are so good and helpful, at Caitlin Durante. And you can check out my website i guess caitlin durante.com i don't know why you would do that especially now that i'm quitting comedy officially no but um oh and then uh listen to the podcast that jamie loftus and i do the bechtel cast which is all about feminist film analysis yeah it's a great show um is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying yes i have a tweet from at solomon georgio palomine very funny comic, who said,

no one has consistently presented a better case to defund the police than the police. And another one from him as well that I just retweeted, relevant to our conversation earlier. If you want unity, you're more than welcome to join us in condemning and toppling white supremacy. So that's from Solomon. Miles, where can people find you?

What's tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram at miles of gray. Also for 20 day fiance. If you just want to, you know, vibe out on some reality, you know,

just vibe purely, purely. Um, let's see some tweets that I like first. There's this one. I'm gonna just send it to the chat. I I'm hoping y'all have seen this one. Uh,

it's, it's the image that makes this truly, uh, one to remember. It's like this little boy just in like this oversized coat. And it just says, took my brother to target. But like this kid kid he looks like a jawa from star wars because this little boy is wearing a coat so big it just looks like a walking coat like the guy's just taking photos of it like

walking around target and the boy's like so just this is funny man it's just so it's just sincere you know i needed something like that i didn't need any like you know capitalist shit capital storming shit posts to laugh at anymore because i'm starting to wear thin uh but also this other one is from patty harrison at party harderson uh for all the babu frick live out there uh she tweets pause up They just cast Babu Frick as the new Samantha in Sex and the City. Because I think the reports are that Samantha might not be in the reboot or whatever. Whatever the new thing is. Uh-oh.

Fuck it. Yeah, Babu Frick. I'm here for that. That would actually make the show interesting. Seriously. If they had to treat Babu Frick as Babu frick like and not as like samantha like and babu like what's going on with you and i just feel like i would watch a show where charlotte and babu talk about uh babu's failed relationship with a gallerist who he thinks is just using him for

you know repairs on her droids just using you horny babu frick representation where yeah where is it horny frick hive jamie come on now write this episode write this jamie i implore you write this speculative episode of sex in the city where samantha has been replaced by babu frick tweet i've been enjoying uh elon musk at elon musk on january 9th tweeted my 14 year old son Saxon said he feels like 2021 will be a good year. I agree. Let us all make it. So,

uh, and I just, wow. First of all, I can't believe there's a dude named Musk Saxon or Saxon Musk out there. That is just wild. And such a, this is like two days after the storming of the capital uh i think one day after he was named the richest human being on the planet earth

possibly in the history of the planet earth um so just dynamite uh self-awareness oh hell yeah Just dynamite self-awareness. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah, dog. No, there's no white person born in generational wealth has any kind of awareness. Right. I mean, maybe like that one Disney granddaughter. There's very few class traitors like that. Mm-hmm.

Because we remember the little boy, he had who's running around with emeralds in his pocket. Yep. Hmm. And you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes,

where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on miles. What are we riding into this fine week upon? This is another one from Al Pagoda. I know we went on Al Pagoda yesterday, but I was just reading more about Al Pagoda. This guy started off like scoring films and then kind of was just like, maybe I can start making like instrumental like music as well and

this album that the song black that we wrote out on earlier uh was from is like a bunch of these like voice notes and like ideas that he kind of put together and wanted every track to sort of feel like a film like where it feels like there's an op like an establishing shot like he thinks very much like a like a cinematographer as he makes music so i kind of started listening again to that and it sort of makes the music very very enjoyable uh so this one is called steel by al pagoda and you know check out the whole album it's really nice to have on in the background and do work or read or whatever so al pagoda this one's steel and just close your eyes and see the movie where the fascists are held

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