The Daily Zeitgeist - Fox News Cancels Christmas, Fake Oppression Please! 11.21.25

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

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It's 58 by me. Miles, I'm so sorry. One of the signs of the rapture, I'd say. Yeah, yeah. My fingers are going to break off. All right. Fun news day. Fun news day.

Yeah, yeah. There's just some weird. shit. Okay, we love a hoax. So I'm like, okay. Hoaxes are great, yep. I mean, they're not. Yeah, not really, no.

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the sidelines, waiting for a face like hours on screen. Listen to starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 415 episode 5 of Dernetely Zekeyes. This is a production of IHeartRadio. It's a podcast where you take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it's Friday. Friday. It's Friday. Yeah. November 21st, 2025. T-G-I-F.

Thank fuck. It's Friday. Wait. T-F-F-F. Thank fuck it's Friday. No, thank God. T-F-I-F. That was the first draft for the ABC sitcom block. T-F-I-F. Thank fuck it's Friday. We do things a little bit differently here at T-F-I-F. You're going to want to buckle up for this. It's actually national gingerbread cookie day. All fucking national stuffing day. One of my favorite things on a fucking holiday plate is the stuffing. Okay.

So I like that. Also, substitute educators day. Shout out to substitute teachers. What a fucking hard job you have. It was hard enough to be a teacher. I can't imagine it was like to be a substitute teacher. Although I did take the Seabest test to be certified to do substitute teaching because The economy, like, I got out of the economy crashed right after I graduated in 2007, and I'm like, I guess I'll be a substitute on call for a little bit.

And, yeah, didn't work out. Did you ever get, did you ever get called up to the big leaves? No, no, because I ended up getting a job at a T-shirt store. Much better. Much better. Where are my paychecks bounced? So was it, was it a T-shirt store, like with just standard screen print T-print T-shirts? No, no, no, no. we did heat transfers there so you would come if this was like such a bad business idea to launch

in the year of our lord 2007 okay when the fucking everything's going to shit economically it was a t-shirt store you come in this woman who owned the store by like six of like this is like the time when the i the new iMac came on their like flat screens mounted them to a wall and you could go pick a design you bring up your order and then i would heat press the shirts like whatever dumb shit you wanted with whatever we had blanks and we had graphics and you could combine any of them in an unholy marriage and I would make them. But really what happened was we were on Beverly where a lot of the Orthodox Jewish people are and most of the kids came in to use our computers to look at shit they couldn't look at at home. Wow. So we really didn't have customers. I was running

like an after school program for kids who wanted to look at the internet. That's about it. Anyway, much of paycheck spouts. Anyway, shout us up to teachers. Shout us love to teachers. Speaking of TFIF, Monday morning, we got the second icon episode. There's a new TDZ episode format that we're dropping every Monday morning. First thing, you'll have a TDZ episode on Monday morning, but it is a new format

where we dig into a different icon each time episode one dropped this past Monday about Einstein episode two coming. A little character you might know from TFIF by the name of Steve Hercl. Did I do that? This is a fun one.

All right. My name's Jack O'Brien. A.K. Birds all fuck with rain. Yeah, yeah. That one courtesy of Snarfila and Millie Vanilli and the people who wrote and sang Millie Vanilli's music instead of them. And our conversation where we, as people who are just experiencing rain for the first time in L.A.,

we're always like, what? What is this? Notice that birds don't all fly away. Not to get on holding call field on you, but if you ever wonder, where did the birds go during the rain? They just tough it out, man. They're still out there singing. I can't believe it.

I see them again on the wire right now. It's about, don't they fucking read the news? It's about to be pissing outside. I don't know, man. These birds might be off this, like on fentanyl or something. Like, they don't know what the fuck's going on. That's probably. But if I had to guess, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray.

Hey, it's Miles Gray. A.k.a. the Lord of Lancashim, the Shogun with no gun, a.k.a. I like Sig, Buttsin, I cannot lie. Shout out to Sir Roses of the River. As we were asking, the first cigarettes we had, mine was a butt that was left in an ashtray, which I feel is most, I don't know. Not in a public ashtray, though. No, no, a family ashtray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have, look, I'm half Japanese, everybody's butt. In the 80s and 90s, everybody was smoking in Japan around children.

So, yeah, I dabbled in a... My grandma smoked, but she was also the relative I had that was most likely to kick my ass. Did you say she was like a tough motherfucker? Oh, yeah, man. She raised eight children in inner city, Philadelphia, like on her own. In her fifties and shit? Yeah, yeah. The fuck.

Damn. No, no fucking, no messing around. She did not care for me. Like Lucille Bluth? Yeah, exactly. I don't care for Jack. That's right. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests on TVZ, a poet and podcaster.

You can hear on the American Hysteria podcast exploring the fantastical thinking and irrational fears of Americans through the lens of moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories. Please welcome the brilliant, the talented. Chelsea Weber, Snow! Hello! Fellows. I am reminded by your cigarette comments about the sheer sense. joy of going into a Denny's smoking section as a teenager. Oh, yeah.

I mean, that was freedom, baby. I was always like, they're not going to check my ID. Oh, you're just going to let me smoke in here like I'm in fucking pulp fiction? That was like your, you flex. You're like, let's go smoke at the fucking Denny's really quick. Let's get some pancakes and make them taste like shit at my smoking at the same time. Let's get some pancakes and make sure I can't taste them. Yeah, yeah.

What cigarette? What was your starter pack? You know, I know. I can't remember because it was like people stealing them from their parents, but I know. Just a grand bag of different cigarettes. Different length. Lusies. All kinds of loot.

Just truly lucies. Yeah. You just put like a quarter in one of those machines and a cigarette comes out and with those little plastic bubbles. No, but it was a Marlboro mediums. That was my, uh, I just went real hard, I guess. Yeah. That was my cigarette of choice for a while. Wow.

I like a Marlboro light. I like a little slender Marlboro light. Because in me, I'm a little slender Marlabor of choice. The Marlboro the Red Pack, right? I don't know. I haven't smoked since high school, luckily. The Marlboro Red Pack is one of the design feats of Capital It, like, that's a beautiful work of, yeah, it looks a sexy box.

It's such a good box. I agree. And also the cigarette machines that were at the back of the Applebee's where we all hung out in high school, and there was, like, they have the thing that you like pull out that is the same thing that you pull pinball machine. Pinball machines? Yeah. Yeah. I like that they were just like, this company, we're going to get

the pool arms from them, whether it's a pinball machine or a cigarette. I beg my mom to let me buy her cigarettes so I could do that in the machine. Thunk. Yeah. And then in Japan, it was like digital. So like, I would just beg to press the button on the vending machine all the time. My uncle would have to be like. So futuristic in Japan.

Does she let you? Well, then they have a fucking thing. Then it got to the point where you had to tap your ID to release the fucking cigarettes. That was like in 2004. We don't even have that technology here. No, no. Because that's how they prevented kids from just buying cigarettes just out in the open from because, dude, when I was fucking 13, trust me, I was loading up.

Yeah, when you were in your tan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could buy a can of beer too. Maybe. Coming back smuggling cigarettes? Were you bringing them back for the- Oh, fuck yeah. And I'm like, go to your called John.

There was this one brand called John Player Specials. John player specials? And I was like, this is the most ballers. I'm like, oh, this is a John player special. That sounds like a Philadelphia slang or something. Right. All right. Well, Chelsea, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment.

First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about a hoax, appropriately enough. Yes. Natalie Green, 26, a Rutger law student, had to appear in federal court, where she, it was the details of this case, just trying to make herself into a victim of a... Just for being MAGA. Mega attack. Like, being attacked for being MAGA.

Yeah, yeah, not like a Jesse Smollett version. Right, no, no, no. Inverse. So we're going to talk about the details there. We're going to talk about the fact that U.S. Border Patrol is now becoming, like, the CIA of the interior of, like, domestic things. And one thing you can now be pulled over for is, like, driving on the wrong street, having suspicious transportation patterns, essentially.

And that is because they think that AI works like the people in the milk bath and minority precogs, Jack, precogs. They think that they're just like, AI know the future. And so they will pull your ass over if the AI doesn't like your travel patterns. So we'll talk about that. And then we'll talk about, it's finally happened. The war on Christmas is real. And it's being waged by Fox News.

Fox News thinks that we should not buy Christmas presents this year. Not because Trump's economy is bad. It's because it's so good. That's because it's so good that we just think that maybe you shouldn't because we need to save money because of this economic condition. But it has nothing to do with Trump being bad. in his job. Anyways, all of that, plenty more. But first, Chelsea, we do like to ask our guest. What is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Okay. Or what you're researching. Yeah, it's, you know what I'm doing. Uh, I love to come on here and talk about

whatever weird ass thing I am researching at any given time. My search history now is woman Santa. And, uh, woman Santa. We talking Mrs. Claus? No, we are talking. Talking woman Santa, which is different than Mrs. Claus. Okay, so part of, I'm doing an episode about mall Santas, the history of the mall Santa. I'm going to do it with Sarah Marshall, who I know as another friend of show. So that'll be like sometime in December. But one of the really interesting things that I found out was in the 1940s, like during, you know, the wartime women are taking men's jobs because they're away fighting the Nazis. And I would have never supported the war if I knew that shit was going to happen.

Well, I know. I know, because they never went back. Furious. Thank you. That's what that New York Times article was about. And they're like, have women ruined the workplace? With their mall Santa? No, someone's holding on to that until Christmas season, and they're going to pop that out at the NYT.

But, yeah, it was like one of the jobs that a lot of women took at that time was the role of the mall Santa. So there were all these rules about how to become male enough in your look to pass as Santa Claus, which, of course, didn't work super well. And there was definitely like a lot of anger around the fact that women were becoming Santa Claus. I'd love to read you guys. Was like the first trans panic? Basically, yeah. Well, what's so interesting is in the 1930s were so like queer, positive, which people don't really remember because it was like in entertainment. And then once the war started, there was this need to like hypermask, like make the culture hypermasculine again. So the kind of love of drag that

became so mainstream was killed. And so when in the 1940s, when you have a call back to that drag time, there was definitely a lot of anger. And here's here's a great quote from the St. Louis Star Times in 1941. It is customary in wartime for women. to take over numerous fields of employment, conventionally reserved for men. A woman's place is an office factory, courtroom marketplace, corner filling station, and other locations too numerous to mention. But there is one male domain, however, that should be defended at all costs. Thank you.

A woman, Santa Claus, heaven forbid, that would be stretching the credulity of guileless children too far. Wow. That's child abuse. Yeah, it's fucked. You get a woman, get on Santa's lap and stand a woman? This picture of a mall lady Santa? I'm like, I wouldn't have been terrified of mall Santa if it was this. You know what I'm saying?

I'm like, yeah, I prefer this than like a guy with like gin blossomed face. Who's like, hey, what about you? What's your race, son? What's my race? Why do you smell like gasoline? That's whiskey. You're a lot darker than your mother. Huh?

Whoa. Bro, you're bad. I used to hear weird shit. Walking around the Asian lady in the late 80s, bro, it was fucking. Anyway, shout out the Mall Santa's, the Sherman Elks Mall. I get that sometimes. I'm sure you do. Yeah.

Older woman stopped me and said, are those your children? Oh, boy. I said, I don't believe you. She did not. Is that true? I swear to God. She seemed a little bit off her, you know, like she was too old to be walking around by her. She's been watching a lot of Jim Caviezel movies.

Yeah. And that's just the war on dads right there. That's a perfect example. I didn't know that the 1930s was like a drag positive time. It was. Like all our best times get written out of history. They absolutely do. And it's not a coincidence, I don't think. You wouldn't know about the anarchist movements and stuff like that. The, you know, labor movements that were fought with, like, dynamite. Yeah, right.

Just like, shh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't get any ideas now. What is, what's something you think is underrated? Well, guys, I come on this show so much that I feel like I'm running out of underrated things. So I am just going to say pencils, number two, Ticonderoga. And then I, when I said that, I thought of the office quote, of course, because I was just looking at things in the office and saying that I think they're underrated. Are you just looking at the things around you and saying you love them? Bricks. That's basically what I'm doing. But I don't know. I love a pencil. I don't have a lot more to say about it. But I just think I don't type when I, when I need to like process information, got to have that pencil. I need to erase. It's just a, it's a joy for me. The Taekondrogo is with the green erasure. Yeah, it's like the most classic.

Yes, yes. Yes. Archipal plutonian pencil. Oh, see, I think of the most classic as being the pink eraser. No, no, the green, the metal that holds the eraser too. And. And the, like, the lettering is like a shiny green. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. What about mechanical pencils? Where are you at on that? Eh, you know, I mean, I don't, I'm not going to, like, tell anyone they're wrong.

Right. I'm really accepting of all kinds of pencils. I don't like, but you were always fucking against me. Of writing, like the feeling when you break the lead on that thing. It's not good. No. Pressing too hard, baby? Pressing too hard. You pressed out?

Are you always pressing too hard? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The one good thing about a mechanical pencil is you can click the lead all the way out and then pretend to give yourself a shot and stick it to your arm. So that is true of smear it. Did you do the thing where you could shoot staples out of it? No. Like a big pencil, if you took the tip off, the actual click part, you could put a like a staple that's been like bent from a stapler, flattened out into the place where the lead goes.

And if you pull back on like the eraser that clicks on it, it would the tension would just fucking a lot. launch a fucking staple of people. That's amazing. I would have been doing that a lot. I guess all the cool shit. Yeah. Hey man, if the power goes out,

baby, I got all kinds of fun shit we can do. Did it come out fast enough to actually cause any kind of pain or even a sensation? No. I mean, if you maybe hit somebody point blank in their eye,

but it was enough to like fuck with someone and be like, what the fuck? And that's what you want. You want the line. Yeah, you don't want to go to the principal. I think ever where someone like errantly turns a

head and like now they're you know in the dan krenshaw zone rocking the iPad i'll put number two pencils in there as also a thing that i think out of context like years in the future could be in the same room of the you know future moma as like cool design thing yeah like the color is really the colors are all really working together it's just like a real like with with the marlborough pack you know number two pencils they look really good together i feel like they could be married Oh, my God. And they're kind of a couple. I shipped them, actually.

Yeah. Because the Marlboro filter is a similar color to the number two pencil, you know? Yeah, a pencil and a cigarette. So many things in common. Deep ochre. What is something you think is overrated? Okay, I feel like this is really very controversial, but I'm going to say I'm not so hyped on all of the Trump blowing Clinton. jokes. I'm just not funny. I'm like, I think it's like, it was funny for like a little bit,

but now I just, I think I'm just kind of bored of it. I think it's boring. What other jokes have you said? Because I definitely have laughed at the absurdity of the notion that this has happened. Absolutely. But I know, I mean, I've definitely, I've, like, is it becoming a just a memed to death kind of thing now too? I think that's what it is. And I think that, that it's just like when a certain subset of the internet gets a hold of a joke and then it becomes, it's like the boomer just like, oh, he's blowing Bubba. It's so far. Like, I don't know. I just like, I think they're in the right hands. That joke can be incredible in the wrong hands. Yeah, yeah, sure. It's super fucking boring. I think it, yeah. It depends on what direction you're using to like. Yeah. Because I think some people are like, it's fucking weird because it's gay stuff. Yeah. And you're like, well, then you've missed the point entirely. And I'm not even like, but I mean like, but I see like that. But I mean like, but I see like that. version powering people's like idea of it where like when it when it first came out i was like how the fuck is this even a thing that's being written down it's incredible like that i'm having to hear about it i much prefer the idea of beastiality to be on sure yeah just another

another step yeah yeah that's that slippery slope they've been telling us about for 30 years yeah but i'm sorry if i've offended anyone out there no no no i mean i want you all to live you're, you know, I want everyone to be happy. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I've seen, I've seen a lot of people comment on that, too, because I think it's one of those things where it, like you said, in, in the wrong hands, it's, it's just a weird thing to keep harping on. Yeah. And it's like, people aren't going to let it go for a long time. Oh, no. This is permanent. Yeah. That was written on our brain and on our culture and permanent marker, unfortunately. Yeah. And again, I do know it's funny. It's, it's, of course, it's funny. But

It's, yeah, it's, it is going to be just the font of like, you know, eight, eight year old level comedy for ever now. Exactly. I think the idea that it is probably the last thing that he wants to be known for. Donald Trump wants to be known for is the one is the one thing that's like a redeeming quality for me. Yeah. Is that he, he doesn't want that. Yeah, or just their own homophobia on the right. Oh, yeah.

Just coming back to be like... Did you see that video of Alex Jones from like years and years ago? So what if there is? Yeah. Does that mean that was out, though? That information was out? I didn't see the video. He implied that...

Yeah, here, I'll bring it up. I think it's worth it. Because he basically implies that there is this, that something like this does exist. Here it is. There's no video of President Trump sucking a ding-dong. Interesting. And so what if there was? That's a lot better than World War III, Owen.

I never sucked any ding-dongs. But I'll tell you, if they were going to blackmail me to start World War III about one, I'd say, hey, I sucked a golf ball through a fucking gardener. Yeah, that's the line from the movie that you were trying to quote. He goes on to say, though, that he's like, but I've never slept with a man. I've slept with 300 women. And it's very embarrassing. Yeah, it's a really embarrassing video.

But it's weird, right? It's like, I've never sucked a ding-doll? I don't know. Was this out? I don't know. I'm not an Epstein expert, though, so it could have been hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.

I mean, that felt like new information. It did. Or it felt like it'd be circulating. Or I think it made it, I think, I don't know if it was probably being talked about in line with like the steel dossier and pee tape. And it just kind of got swept in that. They're trying to do that. It's just like so far, so many.

beyond like what we knew of Donald Trump at that time that people were just like editing it out. They're like, yeah, no, that's like a step too far. Nobody's going to believe that. I mean, they'll believe that he did the P-Tape thing. Commendable that. That does kind of make sense. Yeah. Commendable that Alex Jones isn't homophobic enough to start World War III.

I know. I know. He's like, then I'll say, yeah, I did it. I'm not, I'll prevent World War III. I don't care. But I've been with 300 human women. Why did you specify human, Alex? there's some weird stuff going on out here folks he would be the first to fucking alien though

I feel like he'd be one of the first thing he has to like resort to being six years old when he's talking about it ding dong uh-huh I don't think you sucked a ding dong he's still a little yeah it's still a little too much for him to say yeah yeah yeah a wee-wee I don't know anyway and even if he did he's preventing World War three right I've never sucked a man's little thingy yeah It's the only time you can do gay shit is if you're preventing World War III. I was preventing World War III in that rest stop. Would you rather? These are the Would You Rather games that Alex Jones put?

Yeah, his co-host, that guy Owens, is like, I don't know, man. The show's kind of changed. Yeah, he's not looking good. He's like, I got to get out of here. Let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back. ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island

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We're back. We're back. And it's hard out here for, I mean, they've been telling us for years. It's hard out here for the straight, white conservative in America, constant struggle to, because the thing you you want the most in the world is to be victimized. You want to be oppressed. That's all you want. And fucking nobody will do it.

Nobody's oppressing you. You can't get pulled over. Yeah, you can't get pulled over. You can't get fired for a drug drunk with children in the back of your car. You can't get pulled over. I'm nice boys. All right, fine. yeah so i mean again is god to be in the hegemonic class it's and and try to be the victim oh it's it's so hard out here for them

and we see them like rhetorical manufacturing of oppression happen constantly but occasionally you get the people that go full method daniel day lewis on us and go you know what i need some shit to happen in physical space that i can take a photo of and be like you see what happened to me because I'm a white racist. Do you see how hard it is? So case in point, former MAGA congressional aide Natalie Green from Ocean City, New Jersey, Jack.

You know her? You know her? That friend of you? Ocean City. Yeah. Yeah, it's Natalie? Yeah, it's Natalie. Yeah, it's Natalie?

I thought she used to work at Manko, Manko. There you go. And then she switched over to Uncle Yugi's, the sub shop. But 26-year-old Rutgers Law student was in court Wednesday charged with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and hoaxes and one count of making false statements to federal law enforcement because back in July, she said, she alleged she called 911 to report, or a co-conspirator at this point, called 911 to report that Green was attacked by three men on a walking. trail in the Egg Harbor Nature Reserve. Quote, when officers found green, she was lying with her hands and feet zip tied, and her shirt pulled over

her head. She was crying loudly and yelling, he has a gun, he has a gun, he has a gun. She had cuts on her body and the phrase Trump whore written across her stomach. And Van Drew is racist on her back. That's the Congress person. That's the Congressperson who she was an aid for. So, oh,

pretty specific to be like, and we know a Congress member. name? Like, people saw her on the trail and recognized her as a congressional aid to Van Drew? Yeah. And they were ready. They were just ready with all the stuff they needed to take her down. I do want to say that I think it's very weird that they would think that a leftist would write Trump whore on a woman. They would obviously write Trump sex worker. Yeah, I was waiting on that one. Yeah. I love that. And also, it would have been MAGA. I feel like it would have been MAGA. I was like that's how, like, if there was some kind of attack from someone on the left, it would have been maybe characterizing as MAG up. But anyway.

But yeah, you wouldn't say whore. You really wouldn't. Just know your opposition. They also probably would have added their favorite phrase that we saw written all over America during the 2020. Black's rule. Black's rule. Yeah, Black's rule. Totally.

In cursive. Yeah. In handwriting, you're like, it looks like my grandmother. This person was definitely. in public school in America in the 40s based on the handwriting. They all got the same fucking handwriting. But it was a pretty brutal scene.

Like she was clearly cut all over her body. But as the investigation picked up steam, the holes in the story just got fucking bigger and bigger. So, quote, investigation revealed that Green had paid an artist specializing in scarification to use a scalpel to lacerate parts of her body in a pattern that she directed ahead of the incident.

Investigators said black zip ties were found in her car on the night of the alleged attack that resembled the ones used to restrain her. Investigators also found that two days before the attack, the phone of Green's alleged co-conspirator, had been used to search for zip ties near me. Do you better. Zip ties near me. If you do near me, just. Put into Google Maps and it'll... The laziest fucking Google. For whatever reason, when Google autophiles near me, I'm like, that is how a pleb

Googles. Right. Okay. I know how to get specific. I know where I am. We'll just give you access to my location. Okay. Again, because then it's like, allow location?

I'm like, no. No. But yeah, uh, zip ties near me. And then didn't even take it out of her car. Like, that's, well, no. It's... It's that white conservative hubris, I feel like it is. It really is. Yeah. Yeah. No one will question this story, even though it's so sensationalized that it like rises into the ridiculous, which I think is a great way to look at hoaxes. It's like when something like this happens, it's like, has it risen into the realm of the ridiculous or is it something that you can, like, it's like getting beat up is okay? But then it's like, is it getting to like a super villain level? We got to kind of. Yeah. least, at least pop a couple questions out there.

I mean, it's, what's also kind of ironic here is that, like, the, the, the, the U.S. attorney who is talking about this case is Alina Haba, who is Trump's personal attorney who he made a U.S. attorney in New Jersey. So it's, like, weird that she's the one being like, this fake ass magos, like, what the fuck is going on right now? Yeah. Well, she's giving the real people who are victimized for loving Trump a bad name, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep. The dedication here is wild, though. Yeah. Like, the scarification is, like, a level that is so frightening. Like, that's where it's like, there's something much deeper going on because, like, these are, it's not just a couple. Like, it's all over. No, it's brutal.

All over. And you're like, my goodness. Yeah. Something ain't right. But then this also, I don't know if people remember this for old, old political junkies like me. I don't know if you remember it in the first Obama campaign at 08, there was a white. There was a white lady named Ashley Todd who said she was attacked for being a McCain volunteer. And do vaguely remember that, yeah.

I'll read some of the news clips from this from 2008. Todd initially told investigators she was attempting to use a bank branch ATM on Wednesday night when a 6'4 black man approached her from behind, put a knife blade to her throat, and demanded money. She told police she handed the assailant $60 and walked away. Todd, who is white, told investigators she suspected the man then noticed a John McCain sticker on her car. She said the man punched her in the back of the head, knocked her to the ground, and scratched a backwards letter B into her face with a dull knife. Police said Todd claimed the man told her that he was going to, quote, teach her a lesson for supporting the Republican presidential candidate and that she was going to become an Obama supporter. That sounds like a Tim Robinson life.

You know what I mean? You're going to become an Obama supporter. And you will now be Obama. What? Backwards B. And again, I put the, I put the picture in the dock. The backwards B is really great because that is, of course, the sign for Obama. Oh, wait, no.

For Barack? Anyone do a B a backwards B? I mean, I mean. Oh, did he do it. Well, looking at in the mirror. No, he was doing it in the mirror with her. He's smart. He made it look like she did it to her.

He's so smart. Yeah. He did it so she could read it. Yes. Yes. Yes. I want you to see Barack Obama's first initial, not even the symbol of his campaign,

which was his last initial. I want you to see his first initial every time you look in a mirror. Yeah, with a dull night. I'm like envisioning a split personality where she's saying all the shit to herself while she's kind of cutting feet. You're going to support Obama now.

Please. I'm six foot four. It's like, six foot four. But again, with that dedication. Like, what the fuck to like cut your face up like that? She, again, this was saying, lady earlier in 2008, she was caught, she was a Ron Paul supporter in the primary. And she said she got her tires slashed by McCain supporters because she was a Ron Paul supporter. So I think this, I mean, again, I think it's probably a combination of histrionics, constantly seeking attention, opportunism, not being well. And then the political climate to be like, this is all going to make sense to somebody. And this, this is foolproof. Even though I just, I googled zipties. near me. Yeah. And there's not like a cohesive political agenda here. It's it's no aside an attention

agenda. Yeah. Because they're living in the reality where I'm because this is the perceived threats that conservatives have like I'm being attacked for merely believing what I believe. Yes. Right. You know. And that's and they're trying to sort of draw parallel to like all the homophobia, the racism, the xenophobia where people are actually being attacked merely for who they are because. Yeah. They want to be a protected class so bad. Yeah, yeah. Even though they are if they're Christian. I don't think people know that. They're so protected.

But they can't get over the fact that they're protected. They read about it in the Bible like that. You know, there's a certain class of Christian who like is just so horny for the whipping scenes and stuff like that. You know, they're just like, yeah, that's my dude right there. Look at him taking a punch like that. Love a cat with nine tails, as they call that device. And then they don't get to experience that themselves. They read about the early saints who are.

were, like, getting their heads cut off for being Christians. They're just like, come on. I think not even that. They're probably in arguments with coworkers or a person of color or somebody's like, and what the fuck have you been through? Right. And they're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. Think of something.

Fuck. Definitely in their minds. They're in those arguments. You know, because I'm sure they look at the sort of just the stories that are out there. There are numerous stories of people who are not cis, white Christian, just cis, white, just white people generally of not being a sort of victimized by police or these other sort of systems of oppression in the country and they're like man we need to put a few more on the scoreboard here yeah i can also be like what about that late what about me what about that and

look y'all you can point to the one thing that's oppressing all of us which is capitalism you know that's right we can all be oppressed you don't have to do it with your own hand capitalism will do that to you i cannot argue with you being disenfranchised because of capital. I truly cannot, but you're not in that boat. You're trying to do the thing where it's all the black people hate me or whatever the fuck it is. I know. And we could just be together. We could all be together in our oppression under capitalism. Maybe one day. Yeah. I'm wondering how soon like billionaires are going to pretend they're like, like, look what happened. They are behind the scenes. That's exactly what they're doing. But they have something like this. Right. That's true. Well, I guess I'm the bad guy for having been successful. Okay. I'm sorry. If I had known from the start, I wouldn't have gone to college, okay? Right. I guess. Yeah. And this, see, this is why.

This is why we need to have the conversation about what we do with the pilot who flies us to our bunker, our island bunker after the apocalypse. Do you think my great grandfather wanted an entire building at Harvard named after him? Like, it's, it's hard. hard for them. But I mean, we could all be together and maybe we soon will be because U.S. Border Patrol is monitoring, everyone's driving, and then dumping it into a, so there's cameras everywhere. They started at the border, having cameras that would like read license plates, you know, monitor where people are, send it to a database. But now with the advent of, you know, flawless AI that is always right, they're now dumping it into a

database and then drawing conclusions based on that. This is a quote from an AP report about this new trend in getting pulled over. The new trend uses a system where the predictive intelligence program has resulted in people being stopped, searched, and in some cases arrested. A network of cameras scans and records vehicle license plate information, and an algorithm flags vehicles deemed suspicious based on where they came from, where they were going, and which route they took. predictive intelligence.

They literally think AI is the precogs. It's auto. No, we know it's not. It's auto complete. Yeah. And they're like, and it can auto complete

that you are only in this neighborhood because you wanted to steal Amazon packages from rich people. What? We talked about Brian, the editor was talking about this video that went viral where a woman's pulled over

for like driving in a neighborhood too many times. And they're basically saying, like you must be stealing people's packages because you're you've driven on the street too many times and our AI algorithm says that that's what's happening and yeah that just because they're like well why would you be driving through all the time like because I commute yeah like on a yeah so I'm just wondering how they then find the person to pull over like they get the data are they like waiting for them to take the same route or are they like able to track their car through like a

phone or something. Does anybody know? I don't, but I think that these cameras can like basically spot when like a car, you know, they know where your car is, basically. There's enough cameras out there that they know where your car is. So it doesn't, you know, they can just be like, where is this car? Okay, we're going to go out there and pull them over. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because they don't like, the, the license plate reader thing is like a thing they really don't want people to know that they're using too. Yeah. But it's, it's pretty it's getting more and more omnipresent the AP article goes on to say suddenly drivers find themselves pulled over often for reasons cited such as speeding failure to signal the wrong window tint or even a dangling air freshener blocking the view and now we're getting to some of the things that yeah it's minority report literally i feel like this is just new pretense to pull over people of color they're then aggressively questioned and searched with no inkling that the roads they drove, put them on law enforcement's radar. Once limited to police and the nation's

boundaries, the Border Patrol has built a surveillance system stretching into the country's interior that can monitor ordinary Americans' daily actions and connections for anomalies instead of simply targeting wanted suspects. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, because their jurisdiction is 100 miles in from the border. Right. It's typically like, you know, typically, I mean, according to their own charter or their own regulations. Yeah, which doesn't seem like they're stopping at that. They're saying that this is now made U.S. Customs and Border Protection, like the new Trump, you know, B, B, B, B, B, B is, like, sending $2.7 billion

to build even more of these sorts of things. So now Customs and Border Protection is, quote, something more akin to a domestic intelligence operation. Yeah. Right, yeah. They say their criteria for driver behavior that would be suspicious or tied to drug trafficking is for anything from driving on backcountry roads, being in a rental car, or making short trips to the border region. Jesus, yeah. Yeah.

Book them. What if you live off a back country road, your car, you need a rental car because it's in the shop and you're just near the border. They're like, oh, man, everybody here, I guess. But, yeah, again, they'll whatever they can use. to begin to create any sort of pretext to harass people is all they need, and especially for them where they just need to be perceived as being active when they're not. They're just fucking harassing people. I feel like the next level of this, even separate from like border, quote unquote,

border activity is like, as soon as my phone started telling me my, like, how fast I'm going in my car, it's like, it's only a matter of time before they're auto giving tickets, like, through the kind of data where you're like, you go over a certain speed limit and you're just like, right, right, right. I feel like that's going to come eventually. That is happening in Europe. Is it really? Yeah, yeah. That's been happening in Europe for a while. And I think people are, I don't know how it's affected driving, but now people, like, basically, the speed limit is literally the limit.

And when you go over it, they're just like, okay, so you spent this much time over it. And now you. Dang. Okay. Yeah. Well, it's here. It's, it's common. Our country's just so terribly terrible on the infrastructure front, it's going to take a little. little bit for us. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I also feel like that's something. I do feel like that's something we can count on the mega types to really push back again, like the same people who were protesting. Have you ever seen the old news clip article where people were like protesting seatbelts or

there's also a really good local news report from, I think it was Texas, where people are furious that you're not allowed to drink and drive. And they're like, I'm going to continue to have a couple beers in my car on the way home from work and nobody's going to tell me that I can't. This is the cause. Yeah. So they'll probably get mad about the one where like it gives you a ticket for going over the speed limit. I mean, all this stuff just really just shows you how much like you'll be safer and

maybe life's easier if you go back to the most primitive technologies too. Right. I mean, obviously you need a car to get around, but it's like, God damn, like so much I look at the phone and I'm like, do I only have? have like a newer phone for a camera to take a picture of my child that's the only thing at that point i'm like i cannot keep having this sort of vector for bad information in my hands through social media and that other stuff and i'm like maybe i think by next year i might have a dummy phone i'm like getting there you're gonna do a dummy phone i keep talking about it damn and that's usually

how the shit starts with me is like i talk about a thing i'm like i might i might i might i might and sometimes i do sometimes i don't but the more i just think about it i'm like god i think Just simplify things a little bit. I feel like that movement's coming. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's already happening with young kids. Yeah.

Younger kids, like, they've already, they've burnt out before adults have already on social media. Like, we talked about it a few months ago just about like a study where like younger kids are like, I don't want any kind of social media on my phone. I prefer something dumb if possible. Yeah. Because now they're rejecting their parents' culture. And that's a good thing. That's what that's what kids and teens do. Yeah.

Yeah. That was going to happen regardless of what the culture was. Yeah, it doesn't matter what it is. They can transgress any. And I think that's a lot of what we're seeing with, like, the conservative youth because they're growing up in a more liberalized pop culture society. They're pushing back. And I think maybe they'll get over it. That's my dream. Yeah. Yeah. We've seen it. It yo-yos. Look. We do this all the time. Baby babies. White nationalism. Yeah. La-boobo. Yeah. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers, but it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught.

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If we say stuff like happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas, you know, if we're just like, happy holidays, this is a holiday season in our country. So, you know. Did you tell my grandmother to burn in hell right now? No, I just said, happy holiday. There's many holidays. We took that and we're like waging, woke America is waging the war on Christmas. And they don't want us to even have fucking Christmas parties anymore. Now they want it to be faith-neutral holiday parties, which is never like that it's always been over-exaggerated from the start.

Yeah, the Starbucks Cup. It's like commie-red, you know? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, come to think of it's so Santa Claus. Hey, something's going on here. Yeah. Probably started by those women malls, Santa. Yeah, that's what I think.

Uh-huh. But, so, you know, this particular holiday season, everybody's braced. for higher costs, even though Trump has claimed prices are falling. Everybody with eyes that tell information to their brain, as Jeffrey Epstein so helpfully pointed out in his email to himself

titled Breakthroughs. Eyes transmit information to brain. Is that true? Oh, yeah. He just sent himself this, like, series of high thoughts that were like so dumb. They're so dumb. It's just like, it breaks

your soul even further. You're like, Skin part of brain, membrane, but he spelled it meme brain. Yeah. And then, yeah. He taught high school math at a private school. It's so crazy to watch him try to put a sentence together. Beard and mustache trap smell. Oh, yeah, that's right.

That was just like, for what? Why even? Yeah, okay. One of the line items was just groups versus individuals. That was a question mark, question mark. I think this is a good point to Chelsea, you're underrated. It was like, just write that shit down and no one's ever going to have to see that. Yeah.

Hensel, maybe. Like, if people saw the notes I take on creative ideas, everyone would give up on me. Yeah. If you're writing a secret, make it so you can burn it. That's what I say. Or just, you know, or it's written in a way where it's like, I know how these words are going to hit my brain and reactivate the idea. Anyone else would be like, I think you're a child and you have a childlike perspective on everything. And that might be true.

But anyway. But yeah, anyways, this is all to say, if literally this is only a story that could have come out on Fox News, because if anyone had said it anywhere else, Fox News would have, like, broken. They would have, like, gone so hard about how people were trying to cancel Christmas. But because it's Fox News and because they are backed into a corner of having to talk to real people who are being affected by the economy while also trying to hold water. for Trump's economy. They've gone to this.

During a segment about tips to save money during the holidays, guest Jade Warshaw argued that adults don't need gifts. Focus on the people in your life who are age three to 18. Grandma doesn't need slippers. If they don't live by you, don't get them a gift.

Hearing it said earnestly on a news show is like, again, people can't afford shit. So this is a new. rationale right to be like yeah fuck christmas anyway budget budget budget you need a plan also remember adults don't need gifts okay focus on the people in your life who are age three to 18 grandma doesn't need slippers if they don't live by you don't get them a gift now's not the time to spend and break the bank sending packages across the country dana focus on the people in your life age is three to

18 that's my 30 seconds for you that's my 30 seconds you know baby gifts no gifts for infants What's going on? Fuck grandma. Leave the baby. Leave the baby. Your cousin's had a baby man. To quote Michael Jordan, fuck them kids.

You know what I mean? It's in this economy, no. You know who doesn't give a shit about toys? Two-year-old? Yeah. I'm surprised they're not defining adults as three to 15 at this time. I know. That's right.

It's getting there. Where's the conservative news math on what is a child when it comes to pedophilia and what is a child when it comes to gift giving during Christmas? Yeah. Can you reconcile those two numbers, please? By the way, that a woman who is on there is Jade Warshot. I was like on the Dave Ramsey show, who's like, you know, a lot of people know him. Like this financial guru dude, he's also like out there Christian conservative guy. Like he fired his employees for premarital sex.

Wow. Yeah. He fired them for premarital sex. No, he's fired all. Employees are having premarital sex should be disqualifying for public life. Why do you know that they're having premarital sex? Don't worry about it. They admit it.

He admitted it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He admitted it. Yeah, and you're fired now because you said you had sex before you made. One, like, really goofy part of all this war on Christmas stuff. We did an episode called War on Christmas that I will push, like, many years ago. But the history of Christmas.

is such that the Puritans, who I would say are these people's cultural ancestors, they banned Christmas. They hated it. They thought it was overly decadent, right? And it's like, so we're going, you know, we're returning to basically what their proto religious icons rejected. So it is just, they don't know. I mean, they don't know that. In the same way, they're becoming Nazis to, you know. Right. Yeah, it's weird. They're just taking a trip through all the best people in history. Yeah, definitely. The witch burners, the people who did the Holocaust, they're kind of. They're kill him. They're like, you know why your grandpa couldn't hug anyone, right? It's because of World War II and all the shit that it did do him. But you guys just called him a tough bastard.

Anyway, and now he's spinning in his urn because you're cosplaying as a Nazi, but yeah, sure. CNN jumped on this and was like, I feel like this might be Fox admitting the economy is in the

toilet, because elsewhere, they're like, the economy is thriving, but just so, you know, you can't buy people Christmas presents because the economy is so good, I guess. Don't worry about it. Just shut the fuck up. It's so patronizing because it's like how you try and convince a kid

to not do something like, oh, doing that is not cool. That's actually not good. They don't need it. They actually don't need that. Actually, Christmas gifts this year, not good for adults. It's actually really dumb to do. Actually, food. Food is like such an

indulgence, guys, in potable water. It's like, come on. For child's play. Yeah, just seeing them shift the goalposts. Slate actually wrote an article. It's time to stop giving gifts to adults. There is one in the Guardian. My family has got a lot better since we stopped giving presents.

I actually was just talking to somebody who was like, yeah, my family doesn't give, doesn't celebrate anything. Wow. We believe in nothing. We believe in Nassing, Labowski. Okay. So this is a point that's been made before. I don't think it was made in direct reference to how shit the economy was in the past.

But I do, like, anytime it's framed as like unnecessary consumerist impulses where you're just like buying a present to buy it, it's just like it seems like a lot of this could be addressed by just like being better at giving gifts, not giving shit that people are going to immediately like throw in the trash. Be precise. Yeah. Yeah. I bought 50 AirPods cases in bulk. that I'm just going to hand out to people, not even knowing if they have them, but I just need to give somebody something. Can never, can never use too many of these. Are the Fox News people doing any kind of like smoke screen shit of like Christmas is about being together and, you know, or they

just like don't get gets. They're not quite there yet. I think they're still trying to do a thing where they're trying to act as if they are dealing with reality and like prices are high. And here's some budgeting tips. I don't think they haven't quite, it's, that would be something to really hit just trying to ship gears ideologically that quick to be like it was actually never about this ever ever it should be just about the vibes folks not the presence and i always have that attitude of like it's so obvious that you right right right right right yeah telling you to be hyper consumers our whole career you want presents for questions again this isn't going to bode well for a country that has been so had the marketing hammered into your skull since

birth that you must consume. Yeah. This isn't going to happen that easy, but I take umbrage with targeting grandma. Why are we, why? I know. What the fuck? And slippers. Slippers are like some crazy indulgence.

It's wild that they're, it's wild that they're targeting grandma since those are the only people who watch Fox News, right? Yeah, true. And, but I do feel like she kind of has a point in the sense that there might be like a carmic debt for that generation. Like, they're the generation that broadly has hoarded all the wealth.

They tend to be the ones who are watching Fox News. So I feel like if your grandma was a Fox Watcher, oh, I think if you might have my permission to not buy them slippers. You just have an ironclad argument for your Fox watching family to not buy them presents. You're like, I was just watching. They're just watching Fox and they said no adult. Presence this year.

So I'm not buying anyone who I've ever seen watch Fox presence this year. But why do I think that they still expect presence? Of course. That's what's so stupid about all of this. It is also like such an American ass like, you know, Fox News just like being the most American values, which is just like, stick them in a home. Fuck them. They're no longer useful to us, you know. Stick them in a home that won't even be subsidized by Medicaid.

No. Right. Whoops. Go bankrupt. What about that part? There's another act coming up that we'll have to reckon with. Yeah. I mean, it's funny because I do, I totally get like, there have been years too or like Hermacity

and I are like, man, let's not do presents. Because it is, it's a, it can be a burden to try and like give a good gift. It's a gift here. I have to effort to give good gifts. I'm not like, I know people who are so gifted. And the pun is intended at identifying like a good gift for someone. I like it's come to the point like with her majesty like if she says something like offhandedly I'm like I'll put that in the fucking yeah yeah yeah maybe this can be a fucking gift that can maybe be a gift

yeah and I'm like writing yeah I'm writing down like Titanic cruise and I'm like what the fuck was this what the fuck was this I'm fucked oh my god it is that phenomenon too of like when you're a kid and you're obsessed with one thing like mine was wolves right and then you're in your 30s and you're getting golf shit from your aunt and uncle that don't really know you. Yeah. It's like, we don't have to do this. We don't have to do this. I get a book like comedy books, you know? I'm sure. Yeah. That's more used. Calvin and Hobbs. Yeah. Anything from the humor section. Hey, you did a comedy thing. You know, Matt Graining before the Simpsons, he did these funny books. Life is hell. Check it out. But anyways, I feel I get all of your

relative's presence if you can afford to don't especially like I'd say the 18 to or the three to 18 and then maybe skip up to the elderly but the elderly get no fucking love and attention for people in this world like that don't don't skip your grandma like you could come to an agreement with your significant other that that's that's totally fine but like skipping out on the elderly just feels too much to no country for old men we're already skipping out and maybe like a good middle ground is like get your grandma an experience take her somewhere yeah you know get get her a take her out to dinner something like that you know you know whatever it takes something different something different i mean unless they watch fox news in which case you can just be like just send them this clip to send them like slippers you burned oh here's your gift yeah hey was going to get you slippers but dot dot dot this link but you're wearing this you send a photo you wearing the slippers decided these are nice actually nice as hell feet are sweating now damn uh Chelsea such a pleasure having you as always where can people find you follow you all that good stuff well it's always a joy thank you

for having me uh you can really i would prefer just for you to go listen to american hysteria wherever you get your podcast the only uh social media i got right now is uh instagram at american hysteria so you can follow me there as well there you go is there work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh yeah, I did find something. This was actually from like 2018, but it's making the rounds. It's a Twitter at, uh, at robot rowboat. And it says inventing the hot air balloon, I don't give a fuck where I go. So, you know, isn't it? Why? How is that a thing that people do? Well, and I will say just one more a little push, we did a balloon boy

episode a bit ago. If you guys remember when the balloon kids got the hoax, right? But we also do a history of the hot air balloon, which is incredibly insane. Wow. Go check that. Remember, what was the name of that family, the balloon boy? Weren't they Japanese or something? Was the

mom Japanese or something? I think his wife was Japanese, if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah, but not him. And then but the kids, yes. Do you remember that video they did Pussified? Oh, yes, I do. If you don't think I If you think I don't know every new Of course you know, yeah.

Yeah. Pussified music video. Yeah. But go ahead and revisit that, everyone. Yeah. So please do. Please do. Miles,

where can people find you as their work in media? You've been enjoying. Uh, yeah. Find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. Find me talking 90 day fiancee on 420 day fiancee. Uh, work of media. Like, I've just been,

uh, just been getting a. I love L.A. There's just so many fun things out right now. And I'm glad I'm somewhat keeping up with the discourse, with the pace of the releases of these things. So yeah. Oh, and there is a video I like. So in the World Cup qualifying, Scotland has qualified for the World Cup for the first time, like 28 years. And it's a big deal for, like, countries who haven't been in the World Cup to qualify because Scotland. Yeah, Scott. Scott Lind. Oh. Like somebody named Scott. Oh, you know, Scott Lynn.

Yeah, yeah. Larry Lynn's brother. So this is just a clip of when Scotland, you know, wins the game to qualify for the World Cup. And it's like in a pub in Scotland. And this person at Ewan Smith PR just put, poor lad was just out for a quiet pint in his local, uh,

meeting his local pub. And like, you'll just see these guys fucking losing it when they win. And a guy just trying to enjoy his pint. Oh, shoot. He's about to shoot a long range. Shot and win.

This guy right here. It's just a guy. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I doubt he was, like, they beat. Absolute chaos. And then there's one guy sitting by himself with two beers of them.

Fuck. Unless maybe he was Danish. I don't know. They did beat Denmark. So I doubt he was a Danish fan. But it would be a little bit weird. He's like, yeah, I'm going to show them at the pub. Yeah.

Gosh. Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. Blue Sky, Jack O'Bee, the number one. My work of media, I'll just shout out the new icon episodes of TDJ that were dropping on Monday morning's first thing. Episode one was Einstein with Michael. Swam, Episode 2 with

Jaquise Neal. It was about a little guy by the name is Steve Urkel that drops on Monday, and it's a lot of fun. Go check that out. You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zekeyes. We're at the Daily Zykeyes on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to

it and there at the bottom, you will find the footnotes. Which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode. We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah, since we're talking about just, you know, we've, death cults abound. This track is called Death Cult Zombie by the Australian Ghanaian artist Genesis Ousu.

Really dope. It's kind of like punky, electro kind of vibe. But just sort of talking about, you know, I think I was reading about like his sort of inspiration for it and just kind of how like, you know, we all choose a thing and we'll live by it. And pride will not allow us to ever let logic or facts. sometimes intrude those things. So, like, we're all kind of death cult zombies. But he mentions a few names that I think are a little bit specific to the kinds of

death cold zombies out here. Oh, no. It's not me, is it? No, I don't think you're known to him at all in any capacity. It would be a big moment, though. Would be a big moment. Anyway, so this is Genesis Ousu with Death Gold Zombie. All right.

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