The Daily Zeitgeist - Fox News Debates Kids, Psychedelic Salvation 5.6.21

Episode Date: May 6, 2021

In episode 903, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and Gangster Party Line co-host Greg Edwards to discuss Facebook not allowing Trump back for now, more Fox News nonsense, the Carter/Biden photo, ...how MDMA can help PTSD, and more!FOOTNOTES: Facebook Oversight Board Will Not Restore Donald Trump Back on the Platform Brian Kilmeade Tries to Dunk on a 6th Grader for Saying Biden Is Better Than Trump The Wide Angle Lens Understanding the weird Biden-Carter photo could help you take better selfies A Psychedelic Drug Passes a Big Test for PTSD Treatment LISTEN: Don Quichotte (No Estan Aqui) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:58 A little The Verve pipe for you. Not to be confused with The Verve, a band. Randomly two Verve- based bands at the same time in the 90s and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray his hairlines no lie miles is balding he's so balding His hairline's high So far back there He got no hair Oh yeah
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Starting point is 00:03:46 a new player has entered the ring or at least i'd never heard that name before that's a new one that's a good strong debut from the rookie did you know that song the freshman by the verve pipe yeah yeah did you all right so the beginning it When I was young, I knew all of this. Chia Punkarelli never took advice. Did you think that was saying Chia Punkarelli, like someone's name? You know, in a way, that part always just was the thing I took the L on. And I was like, I don't care enough to look it up. I was like, damn, he had a friend named Chia Punkarelli? What is it?
Starting point is 00:04:22 That sounds right to my ear. Chia Punkarelli ever took advice it? That sounds right to my ear. Chia Punk who rarely ever took advice. See, I didn't hear that. You were trying to make me think it was Chia Punkarelli. Chia, Chia, Chia. Punkarelli. Chia Punkarelli. That's my other AK, Chia Punkarelli.
Starting point is 00:04:38 And we are thrilled, fortunate, in awe to be joined by the brilliant the talented the hilarious greg edward hey fellas thanks for having me man it's good to be back it's great to have you back thank you for stopping by man oh yeah miles hold up first and foremost let me see that hair man let me see that head come on take that top off oh come on man you got a nice you got a nice piece i got a good yeah great shaped head you got that buddha I got a good. Yeah. Great shaped head. You got that Buddha Buddha. Oh yeah. I mean, like, like I said, if I ever, you know, need to flee the law, I will just put
Starting point is 00:05:11 an orange robe on and go to Southeast Asia. Sorry. Bye. This is a wrap. You tell her you give me my bees and shit. I'm good. You should, you know, you can be a dope DJ. Just put the robe on.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Yeah. I thought about that as like a, as a bit like, it just were like white on white air forces and stuff. Yo, he's got a, he's on a wave. You can make $3 million in like two months. Yeah. Watch. Okay.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Look, easy. TikTok experiment. I'm the funky monk. Uh, he smokes blunts and gives wisdom like sage, like advice. Nah, you can't talk. You just got to do it most death style and write everything down. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Right. Shout out Yasin Bey. That's the way to do it. He doesn't talk. He just writes things down, though. Well, he used to do it. He did that for like a year. He just wrote everything down.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Yeah. I guess that cocaine was really good that year. It's like I can't open my mouth. It starts moving weird. thing down yeah i guess you know i guess that cocaine was really good that year all right greg we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about facebook has ruled kind of they're they're saying trump is not allowed back uh in the party quite yet uh so he started his own twitter from the president's desk his own trumpler is it yeah it's not even a twitter because no way it's not a social media platform it's just yeah it's a tumblr Trumpler. Yeah. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about where Fox News is at. They're now bringing child soldiers into the game.
Starting point is 00:06:51 We will talk about MDMA being an actual wonder drug. got some findings in from a like double blind study and it is like shockingly effective at treating ptsd uh we'll talk about that we'll talk about the real cancel culture going on the gop seeking to ban the teaching of history in the u.s schools uh all of that and plenty more but first greg we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are right now sometimes i just uh search pharrell and see what he's wearing i just want to know what like what's pharrell into these days what is he doing you know he's like a style icon to me i don't have the uh i don't have the bravery to to rock everything like Pharrell rocks,
Starting point is 00:07:46 but I do like, I'm like, oh, Pharrell's like deep into the sock game right now. I see him. He's deep into like the shorts. He's doing like the above knee shorts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like fly fancy socks. The thighs are out. The thighs are out.
Starting point is 00:07:58 With some like low key chill shoes and some uh human made cool t-shirt he's he got like this cool dad wardrobe style right now so i do that sometimes i search to see what pharrell is rocking and uh yeah yeah i like to 2002 constantly what's he wearing what's he wearing it's funny because at a certain point like his style got too fashionable like right i can't keep up with this motherfucker anymore like it was one thing when it was babe hoodies but like now it's like okay so i'm gonna wear this vivian westwood i'm like okay i how much that hat seventeen thousand dollars okay well i mean you i mean just remember what he did to the hat game though yeah i mean everybody was wearing one of those hats the trucker hat and then but
Starting point is 00:08:45 that that big crazy the cartoon hat where like part of you was just in a cartoon all of a sudden yeah everybody's rocking it you know my style icon is pharrell williams 10 years ago i wear what he was wearing 10 years ago always that's a good look that's that just no i'm just always like about 10 years behind what fashion forward people are wearing i'm like yeah yeah i mean even pharrell 10 years ago he's like three years ahead of now right right i mean like that's why i'm i i fuck with pharrell up until 07 ah this is i'm a little too simple for this now. Yeah, I'm just looking at these. Like he was rocking the tiny beanie, like at the very back of his head. Like, you know, 10 years ago.
Starting point is 00:09:31 10 years. And that shit's just now like filtering through, you know, East LA. Remember all the bracelets? Right. He was doing the whole like the bracelet thing. And then everybody jumped on that. I mean, it's so crazy. Everybody just jumps on his shit.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Yeah. I do have to give a shout out to my wife she's been rocking you know hundreds of bracelets at a time uh since we were 18 so oh yeah she's always been on that oh man just a i like it yeah i didn't even know she had full-sleeved hats for most of our relationship until her bracelet game was so on point. She looked like she was training in one of those martial arts films where they got all the brass rings on their arms and shit trying to get their strength up.
Starting point is 00:10:16 She was full-sleeved at 18? Nah, I'm just joking. I was like, damn, I was dumb! Full-sleeved at 18? That would be great. Spiderweb on the elbow and everything, man. Like 10 years into your marriage, you find out that your significant other. Like, wait, hold on.
Starting point is 00:10:33 I never was Dolly Parton style. Yeah. What are those three dots on your hand? Oh, don't worry about that. Don't worry about those. Jack, how long have you been married? I've been married 13 years. 13 years. Yeah yeah i just i just
Starting point is 00:10:46 got married last week so okay wow congrats man oh yeah yeah yeah thanks thanks fellas i'm talking to all my married friends and just trying to uh get get a little insight 13 that's dope okay the um my experience was that the whole like conventional wisdom about marriage, that it's like, you know, there's the honeymoon phase and then it like gets hard around seven years and like all that shit. Like that's my relationship has gotten better as it went. Like the beginning was the harder, the harder part. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. It's new.
Starting point is 00:11:22 You're still figuring your shit out. I think, yeah, it all depends. But you're still figuring your shit out i think yeah it all depends but like i try and like solve issues in my relationship very quickly like i don't like to see shit fester because that's what i saw growing up and i'm like you got a dead shit immediately or else shit's not going to grow properly so yeah like first three years me and her majesty yo fucking why you know what i mean yeah and then we kind of got our shit together and started like you know working on ourselves and being more like putting our egos out of the way and realizing like shit if we're gonna like if this is gonna last it's about hearing the other person and
Starting point is 00:11:56 being like okay i hear you on this maybe i can do that differently but yeah now it's i'm not married yet but it's only been up you know so yeah yeah that's beautiful that's beautiful man i like to hear fellas talk like this oh thank you fellas that's awesome yeah yeah what is something you think is overrated overrated i think social media is overrated yeah yeah i mean forever yeah uh i mean we all need it but I think social media is like smoking right now. I think in like 30 years, everybody's going to be looking back and be like, oh, yeah, we let kids do this shit. Wait, predators were able to holler at children directly? Yeah, I think it's going to be in books.
Starting point is 00:12:42 Yeah, people will be talking like, like dad were you doing this shit i was like look man tiktok was wild you know right i know there was like a study that came out recently that said like children interacting with technology didn't show like negative results like in the long term but i think that's just going straight up talking about technology versus social media which plenty of studies have shown like the effects of that and like even listening to like some people who talk about it to it in a way where they talk about what it's done has also allowed you to like almost read people's thoughts right people can come at you and tell you what they think about you and all this other shit that it's like a
Starting point is 00:13:20 superpower nobody fucking asked for and depending on how what your relationship with it is it can be absolutely devastating that's why like on yeah you gotta you gotta examine your relationship with social media to to find like a healthy balance and mine is everything avoid i know like uh parents that you know like they don't let their kids uh first of all they don't let the kids have a phone and they don't let their kids do like social media at all right and i'm like that's probably a good move that's probably a good idea you know right i can't imagine if i had like facebook or all of it instagram twitter i can't i can't imagine having that in high school i would have been such an asshole to people you know what i mean just just to be able to do. I would have been such an asshole to people. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:14:06 Just to be able to do that, I'd have been really shitty. Yeah, because I already had like a slick mouth. Oh, totally. So if I was able to fuck with people over text too and be like miles away, like because I was already in AOL chat rooms fucking shit up. So then that was like the height
Starting point is 00:14:22 of it for me. So I'm glad I wasn't able. Yeah, that's a double sword anyway how you know people with kids that are in their teens what what the fuck do y'all think is it fucking their heads up let us know yeah i can only imagine or do you have to like lord over this shit be like give me your phone let me see your d what the fuck is going on what you like oh my god why are you following this vape account smoke tricks no okay we're off this just like knowing like you already turn you know your your skin is never thinner than when you're like a teenager at least mine wasn't just oh i was c3 i was the inside out boy you could see
Starting point is 00:14:57 my my skin was so thin um but i would clap back just sort of disproportionately and that's when it would turn into like, I would become a villain. You know what I mean? Classic villain where you're like, you can't take it. And then you dish out just disproportionately. And you're like,
Starting point is 00:15:12 Oh my goodness. And I'm like, sorry, sorry. I'm hurt. You said wild shit at 13 over the internet. And it's always up there. It's like,
Starting point is 00:15:20 that's not fair, man. That's not, that's not fair. Come on. Yeah yeah at a certain point right come on man i can't imagine me at 13 i'm like i said so much mean wild shit to people that was on record it's like come on look man i was i was a kid i'm sorry i think the worst thing i have is like me of like videotapes of me and my friends like crashing our bikes in front of cars and residential streets to see if they'd stop and help us like as like a prank but really
Starting point is 00:15:50 when you look back you're like were we trying to just get straight ran over right and we're like oh this shit's so funny that lady thought i was hurt yeah i mean we're like yeah so jackass copycat shit that's in the archives for sure man. We were egging houses. I mean, we were doing, we were doing so much fighting people, just doing bad country, dumb shit.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Yeah. And I would have gotten caught doing so much more shit than I did. Cause like, you know, I was hanging out with wild kids going, like sneaking out, doing vandalism and shit. When my parents thought i
Starting point is 00:16:25 was at like my good friend's house or whatever oh you know that would oh you had good friends for cover like i mean not really like they were there was one house that i was not allowed to go to because they yeah it was known it was just like the parents were kind of passed out most of the time and you just went there. And it's weird. Like when you think of like how cool that house was when you're a kid and then you look back and like, that shit was actually the most tragic thing. And you know,
Starting point is 00:16:51 I'm worried about my friend because their parents were actually weren't there. Even though at the time we're like, yo, we could smoke weed in his bedroom. Yes. At 2 PM, you know?
Starting point is 00:16:59 And it's like, Oh yeah, yeah. His dad's passed out on MDMA. Hey Jack, what was that dude's name? I can't. I'm not going to shout him out. You can't say it?
Starting point is 00:17:09 I will say that. I will say that it's the same kid that... Did I tell the story about... Oh, no, I was telling that to another friend. But, yeah, it was one of my homies who was just just constantly talking shit getting in trouble would have been all over social media would have found it funny that he got me grounded for like three months right he was jake paul basically yeah yeah yeah are you still friends no okay i that was dating so that was i moved away from there when i was 12 and didn't fully keep in touch with all those people but great
Starting point is 00:17:45 times at his place all my friends like that are not doing well right now yeah it's only a couple they're not doing well like the scum house as like a kid who like got out of it which is sad yeah because you i mean it's exactly what you said like Like, oh, man, you can do this. We had girls. We could party three in the morning. Yeah. Nah. Ray's dad's porn stash. You know. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Exactly. All the good stuff. There's another kid named Miles at my school who's like, he lived with his grandpa with a wild porno collection that like treated like a library. Right. Yo, which tape did you get from Miles' grandpa? They're like, yo, let me get the other one. No, not the one where they're wearing gas masks and shit.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I can't get with that one. I can't get with that one. I can't get with that one. I'm not joking. There was this one where we're like, yo! When you're in sixth grade, you only used to vary vanilla porno and shit. And his grandpa had these wild
Starting point is 00:18:41 compilation tapes that were unlabeled, but you knew his people were all unlabeled gas masks from like the world war 2 era that's why they were into it it was weird they were wearing them and they were greasing each other up and I was like greasing each other up
Starting point is 00:18:56 that's hilarious love it that's amazing 12 year old me sorry couldn't get down to it for sure i don't know no shame at all it's just it's just yeah i know i just it's just it's just a weird thing when it's like it's like old you know like fucking heather hunter you know what i mean oh like a heather hunter scene yeah and then and then hard static and then gas masks and you're like whoa it was weird because all the porno that you could find at that area like early 90s was from the 70s it felt like i feel like yeah or like 80s or it's like weird aggressive 80s bootlegs right right right it's interesting what is something
Starting point is 00:19:40 you think is underrated greg nicenesseness. Just genuine, straight up nice. Niceness. Like letting people in on the freeway. You know, just speaking to somebody, even if they don't speak back. Just country niceness. Country niceness. I like that shit. I like when people just nice for no reason.
Starting point is 00:20:00 You ain't trying to get nothing. Yeah. It ain't even for them. It's strictly for you i always say it's i don't need jarring for me i've come across it before like the first time i came across that kind of niceness i had my fist clenched because i was like growing up in la people are not people are fucking shitty you know what i mean i totally someone's like hey how you doing i'm like right for me right now you're like hey lakers huh if i grew up out get it. So it's almost like, hey, how you doing? I'm like, what the fuck is this motherfucker?
Starting point is 00:20:26 I don't know what's up for me right now. You're like, hey, Lakers, huh? If I grew up out here, it's no way. I was like, yeah, you can't trust anybody. You're in Los Angeles? Right. It's like, no way. First of all, LA is like 50 places in one city.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is, what LA are you in? Which version of it are you experiencing? The multiverse of LA. Which Sims is going on? Yeah. Are you a fake working class wealthy comedian version of. Are you an actor who is pretending they don't come from a wealthy dynastic family. I mean, it's there's so many versions.
Starting point is 00:20:57 But yeah, the nice thing. I think it's it's great because I've I think over time gotten into it because it's less energy than like driving to festival. What this motherfucker trying to get in right now? Oh, hell no. They don't know about me. No, no, no. Like now that I'm just like, yeah, yeah, fine. Yeah, come on in. Yeah, go for it, dog. Alright. Just switching that gear feels very
Starting point is 00:21:18 easy. I had a friend that was like, because I drive like that, right? And my friend was like, why you do that? I was like, look, man, what's the goal? I said, what's the the goal we're trying to get somewhere right right i'm not trying to fight nobody i'm just trying to get to the place safely he's like but that's the goal then they're gonna think you're a little bitch like what i was like i don't care i'm a bitch well i'm not exactly but like i wouldn't let that happen to me i'm like well that's your ego so i don't i'm in a car trying to go buy a hot dog i'm chilling i'm chilling where did you grow up i grew up in um
Starting point is 00:21:53 virginia okay newport news hampton virginia bad news yeah which is very country very grimy but it's so grimy that you like learn to like oh i'm gonna be nice yeah because i don't want to get beat up easier yeah less wrinkles you're not scowling all the time yeah i'm gonna be cool i'm gonna just be chill yeah country nice is for sure it is a real thing and it's just love it yeah it takes, takes so much less energy, less thought. And you can just focus on things that are in your control. Like that. I feel like it's a thing that I wonder if this is the way it is for everyone, but like I, it was a bigger deal.
Starting point is 00:22:36 Like how interactions with people I didn't know when, when I was younger, like the stake seemed higher and not like, as you get older and you realize, Oh, I'm never, I'm literally never going to see that person again in my life. Like, right. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:49 If it just used to be, man, this person don't think I'm a bitch. Yeah. It's just like sheer mathematics that like the more people like now I've run into a million people over the course of my life and haven't seen 990 000 of them uh ever again so it's just you're just like yeah like why would you put negativity out there in into those people's lives and also yo give people a thank you wave too yeah show gratitude also i do that too when people let
Starting point is 00:23:19 me in because i like you know truckers like i always let truckers in i get it where y'all got y'all got you've got places to go you're getting my shit around i fuck i'll slam my brakes to fucking let truckers in and then i like when they hit me with the hazard flashers i'm like yeah i got you i got you no it's beautiful and that shit like you know that that pay it forward energy is real yeah you know that like that that wave so i'm like if you just keep doing that, you know, maybe that in 20 years, that dude won't rob me, you know, like it won't come back to me in that way.
Starting point is 00:23:51 Yeah. I, I feel like a preemptive, like a thing that you can do. That's truly a selfless thing in LA. Use your turn signals. Use your turn signals. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:02 That is not the status quo in Los Angeleseles people do not use their turn signal people think we're all mine i don't know that's why i'm like fucking just i mean this is this is car talk basically we're talking car talk with some old guys talking about how to be nice and pick up pick up one piece of trash yeah yeah you know if you pick up one piece of trash. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you pick up one piece of trash, you know, just pick it up. Just like, just pick it up. You never know, though. One of the teachers at school might see you,
Starting point is 00:24:31 and you'll get a prize. They used to have it at my school. They're like, hey, I saw that. You got caught doing a good deed. Here's a free ice cream. I'm big on that shit. My dad's one of those dudes. My dad's like, hey, man, be nice to everybody.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Because my dad was like, man, first day of college, my dad's like, OK, so we go because my dad was like man you were first day of college my dad's like okay so we go to the cafeteria he's like look my middle name's trent and i'm a junior so my dad's like look trent you see those cafeteria ladies i want you to know their names i want you to be sweet to them because they gonna hook you up all the time he's just right my boss was nice to everybody and he gets he was a mailman. So like Christmas time, my dad's getting hooked up. I mean, hella Brett,
Starting point is 00:25:09 just money and just gifts. Cause he's that nice old black man, mailman. He's like, everybody's looking him up. Right. Yeah. It's a big thing.
Starting point is 00:25:18 That, that quality and that energy and that, that genuine niceness. People are trying to do it. You can only win, you know, by putting out positivity whenever possible. Because you know what?
Starting point is 00:25:29 Life is one big Curb Your Enthusiasm episode. You come talking that dumb shit, wait till Act 2 when that character is the person that you need some shit from. So always just treat it like that. So when Act 2, that person comes around, they say, I remember, yes! Or if someone asks, they say, I remember. Yes.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Or if someone asks, they say, I don't know about them. They're fucking dope. Yes. I like that person. Especially in Hollywood, too. It's like you get work from other people. Yeah. And it's funny because there's so many fake ass nice people who think they're being slick with it.
Starting point is 00:26:01 It's so clear to see someone who's sincerely like a kind person and someone that's being opportunistic some people can't read that as well but i think a lot of the times there are people doing a lot extra shit when you're like you're being a little too hmm control but yeah just be nice yeah shout out to the nice mailman of the world i've had so many nice mailmen yeah man shout out to the nice mailmen of the world. I've had so many nice mailmen. Yeah, man. Shout out to the mailmen. Yeah, all the postal carriers out there. Yeah, postal carriers.
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Starting point is 00:30:56 uh facebook the scotus of facebook the supreme court they were basically like i don't know why are you guys asking us yeah he can be banned but like you guys need to make a decision don't throw it to us right facebook had like basically threw to their supreme court whether they were right in banning trump for life and they were like the the for life thing seems weird but it's you guys's call you're you're the business. So I don't even know what this board is for, but he at least remains banned for probably the next six months. Yeah, they'll revisit it in six months. And they're just saying, just go with your policy. If he violated the rules to actually be banned, then do that.
Starting point is 00:31:41 So what's going on? But I think because it's like this oversight board is sort of quasi-independent and there's still a lot of questions about how much they actually, like how many of the decisions they actually inform. And like Mother Jones, like back in March, Pima Levy wrote this sort of just blurb about it saying, quote, while the company has touted it as an independent body that will make final content moderation decisions thus far the board has only decided a handful of cases and concerns about its true independence remain the outcome of the trump case could either help build the body's reputation among academics and civil and human rights advocates as a valuable shield against harmful
Starting point is 00:32:18 content or dash hopes so they came with uh we'll kind of sit right in the middle bit of a chest pass right back to him that the fact that they were like i don't know you guys decide was actually made me hopeful that they are independent because that doesn't seem like if mark zuckerberg could have uh written this publicity like hit that he would have had them say that, you know, right. Their ruling would include them being like,
Starting point is 00:32:50 I don't know. Facebook is, you know, being derelict in his duties by throwing this in our court. It should be up to them. They can make the decision. Yeah. They're just the only,
Starting point is 00:33:00 the only thing that they didn't like was just saying like, figure out what it is because indefinite doesn't work. And that goes against whatever your policies are. So he's either back or he's gone for life. Right. Tell us in six months. Okay. I think Facebook is trying to, like, trying to defer from being a monopoly.
Starting point is 00:33:16 You know, I think this is all, like, they're looking at the long game. if we don't let them back in then sooner or later uh big government is going to come into us and try to break up this monopoly that we have over social media right i think that's what they're looking at i mean they're definitely looking at many things right because one side of it is like do we piss off the democratic uh administration that's in right now by saying he's back baby and here's a fucking ig live to go with it or yeah like what do what do they do i mean at the end of the day i think it's true they need to come they need to figure out what to do with these companies very quickly because the fact that mark zuckerberg could just unleash a storm of disinformation with the snap of a finger is a problem yeah it feels
Starting point is 00:34:03 like we're in this it doesn't feel like we are in a situation where if like three oligarchs are having a bad day, they could fuck up the whole world. Yeah. So social media is terrible. Yeah. So they already are. Yeah. Yeah. They need to figure this shit out quick.
Starting point is 00:34:18 But it seems like that's like the one thing that there may be some bipartisan agreement on. Because on one side, they're like, they're stifling us us even though we're like nine out of the top 10 content creators on facebook right and also you know for the other side democrats like yeah this isn't healthy at all right yeah it it's too much power they know it the the fact that he described this board as a supreme court it's like companies aren't supposed to need a supreme court my guy like that's exactly yeah like that but that is a tacit acknowledgement of the fact that you guys have way too much power in the world and you're basically uh wielding the power of a massive like nation state so maybe maybe let's break that up but yeah i i think you're exactly
Starting point is 00:35:07 right greg like this is everything they do has to be seen as a reaction to the you know the fact that they're trying to avoid being uh broken up and you know democrats want to break them up on principle because it's poisonous for the i mean not democrat not big d democrats but i'd say like people uh for the left want to break them up on principle and then people on the right now are gonna be pissed because they're trump's on trumpler yeah trump yeah so we should also talk about that the hot new social media tool that is just a single webpage where Donald Trump writes
Starting point is 00:35:49 stuff aka a blog yeah he has invented a blog I think it's bull.shit bull.shit slash fuck out of here dot fuck out of here slash go
Starting point is 00:36:03 but yeah it's all just and what's wild though too is it's actually worse for him because at least the tweets were succinct quote unquote you know like you can only do you can only ramble so much in a tweet now this motherfucker got paragraphs and like you get exhausted like he's this one on may 5th 9 51 a.m warmonger liz cheney who is virtually knows it but it's just like oh my god i can't like warmonger well hold on man like whatever it's already just does my head in and it goes on and on he's like taking shots at all these other people and yeah it just it all continues with these one-off blog posts that are just not good. You think he'll run again? You think he's going to run again?
Starting point is 00:36:47 If he clears all that legal shit, I mean, it's possible. But part of me feels like he knows how much it probably stressed him out. I don't know if it stressed him out or didn't. It's so hard to know what he knows or thinks. But I know he didn't like doing the actual work of the president. I think he definitely wants the status again. Oh yeah. He loved that attention,
Starting point is 00:37:08 man. Yeah. He loves that energy. Yeah, exactly. He can't, he's, I can't,
Starting point is 00:37:12 he's like Jordan. He's like, I can't, I can't walk away from the game. Absolutely. Yeah. He's like every athlete, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:20 the, like, it's not in the best interest of his, of anything for him to run again but i would be shocked if he's able to stop himself even if people don't like if there's no if people are like he really is going to get killed by desantis or whatever like he would have a hard time stopping himself i think because he's a he's a narcissist who has that one experience where he was right. And the world was wrong.
Starting point is 00:37:48 And I don't think he's ever getting past that hit that high. You know, he's going to be chasing that high for the rest of his life. He's like, what the fuck you mean? I left. I started off with the four or five on me. Like Michael.
Starting point is 00:38:01 And he got a big crew. He's still got a whole bunch of supporters and people that you know creepy racist yeah they're buying his jersey loving it i mean i think there is i think people underrate how specifically perfect he is for twitter like how he and twitter were made for each other because like uh i remember when like during the rise of trump during the 2016 election, Cody Johnston pointed out to me that he had a YouTube page where he was doing basically his shit, his Twitter thing, where he's just being like, Kristen Stewart needs to dump Robert Pattinson. Or actually, it was vice versa. But it was that mixed with like him doing birther shit and like racist shit and like all the dog whistle shit all the stuff that would
Starting point is 00:38:50 make him really popular on twitter those videos had like 300 views like they were just like very like nobody gave a shit about them at all and like they were a minute long but it's just like that's not what people go to YouTube for. And so, uh, he can't sustain an entire idea for more than a certain amount of characters anyway. So it gives, it also helps, you know,
Starting point is 00:39:15 helps him to like punctuate his ideas because he's limited by what he can say in one tweet. Yeah. But anyway, peace out. Uh, hope to never see you on this cursed internet yeah yeah yeah man i hope you find something in his life man you know like archery archery would be amazing
Starting point is 00:39:32 you know just do something man joust i don't know or like the ark of the covenant that he thinks he can open up and look straight into oh man meditation i don't know that's where he kind of looks like he's melting he looks like maybe like he got a look at that for like a split second and like started the melting process and then they shut the lid up real quick or like a homie showed him a picture on their phone of when it opened up and he got like the second hand arc of the covenant melter off of it that would explain a lot of it yeah exactly it's like not quite melting it but it's like your face look heavy though oh oh no you look look at my man you could tell he looked into look at his face
Starting point is 00:40:20 what what are you talking about like the Fugazi fucking arc of the bootleg. That's hilarious. That would explain a lot. If the conservatives all just like had the arc of the covenant and like couldn't resist looking at it like every once in a while, they're like, gosh, that's why Mitch McConnell looks like that.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Like when Mitch McConnell's face turned purple and shit, that was because he took it. Come on! His wife, Elaine Chao, is like, Mitch, what are you doing? Oh, nothing. Feels so good.
Starting point is 00:41:02 feels so good oh man uh let's talk about what fox is doing in their uh they're enlisting child soldiers in their uh culture wars now yeah this is a thing fox fox and friends likes to do where from time to time they'll have like kids come on and like a panel of children just to sort of do like a thing to underline it take it'll be like even the kids see how bad this is like even the kids see how great trump is type shit so this time because they're so bored and they can't talk about real shit anymore because if they talk about biden it makes it makes the viewers like him so they can't talk about him in any way to report it. So it has to be all like a slam dunk contest on Joe Biden constantly on Fox.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Is that true? Is that like a report or something? Yeah. Well, they show when there's any massive reforms, like when the stimulus and stuff was getting passed or like anything else that was like a sweeping bill, they would not report on it because a lot of them had bipartisan support, like from the people,
Starting point is 00:42:07 not necessarily from the politicians, but from citizens who were like, yeah, I like the relief bill. And so they didn't say shit about it. I think that was the Dr. Seuss week. It's always like whenever one of those cancel culture things pops up, it's usually just a distraction from some news,
Starting point is 00:42:24 which is either really bad for the GOP, like like talking about matt gates or having to report something good about biden so brian kilmeade has these four kids on for them to just like have this like panel of children to take a shit on joe biden like in his like handling of them going back to school so the first clip is just you know joe bynum and dr jill bynum just out of fucking school talking to kids who are back in class just to get like a temperature check how did you like remote learning i didn't like virtual you didn't know you didn't like it i liked it yeah good luck with that the president getting an earful from students in Virginia this week. Was he prepared for that?
Starting point is 00:43:06 Kids across the country are stuck learning on Zoom and begging to get back in the classroom, including our next three guests. Joining us now, 6th grader in Philadelphia, Mason Sears. Good morning, everyone. I'm seeing Mason. That is such an aggressive intro for something where he's about to introduce a kid. Yeah, good luck with that.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Kids are fucking pissed, bro. One one kid said i didn't like it one kid said i liked it oh wow good luck with that they got the pitchforks out for this motherfucker wow good luck what the fuck what are you saying i can't believe that that was actually how it was presented oh yeah they got i didn't like it yeah i did like it okay and then wow pissed america is pissed then but the way he talks to these kids like they're the leading experts on child development is hilarious so this is when he talks to a little girl who is so brave because she memorized all the things her maga parents are making her say on live television mind you this, this Fox, this, this shit was airing at six 40 Eastern. So this child had
Starting point is 00:44:11 to wake up at three 30 in the morning in California to talk all this nonsense on a school day. But anyway, let's allow kill me to just let me get, let me get the tone from this 10 year old, an expert in this. Lily got up got up at 340 for us. I appreciate it out in California. But guess what? Your numbers are the lowest in the country. You should be back in school right now. The danger is infinitesimal.
Starting point is 00:44:34 What's the reality for you? Way to use nice small words that kids can understand. Very clearly used to talking to children. What the fuck are you talking about? What did he want her to say back to that? Yeah. I don't know, man. Joe Biden, he's fucking up, huh?
Starting point is 00:44:53 So pumped up till he's so animated. It's like, goodness. The energy is really something else. Like, to scream at these kids to get them to be like, Joe Biden sucks, right? And you know what your numbers are the lowest is like such a weird like whoa what the fuck like yeah what numbers like three four five i know those numbers i'm a child you dumb fuck yeah man we reading numbers mathematics are you talking about science numbers yeah so this is uh this is him talking to this young girl
Starting point is 00:45:26 and then like he again he's talking to these kids like they're fucking assholes do you think we really need to get back into the classrooms because it'll be far more beneficial than online is right now lily it's unbelievable i never heard of this you have to go you get your assignment you do it at home that's ridiculous you can't even get a teacher to zoom call with you yeah that is nuts and you're not learning anything you just told me right no i probably haven't been learning anything since march 13th 2020 which is the last day school that we had well. Well, don't blame yourself. Blame your politicians and your unions. Your unions? Your unions?
Starting point is 00:46:09 What, the child union? Whose unions? What are you talking about? Again, because these kids... Oh, yeah, don't get me started, Brian. I know how organized labor is going to fuck up the American dream. You don't have to tell me, Brian. Now, Tommy, if I understand understand you think school sucks is that correct
Starting point is 00:46:25 actually so he does go to mason the sixth grader and this is where mason uh he fucked up okay because he made the grave error of saluting joe biden to brian kilmeade in this next clip when brian kilmeade thinks there's a toss-up he's like mason what do you what do you miss what do you miss from school what are you missing out on? Tell us about that. I miss most, obviously, seeing my friends and all the after-school activities that I've done. And I think that we're very, very close getting back to school.
Starting point is 00:46:56 And I think that the way that our new president is handling things is a very good way. And we would not have gone to this if it were still the last president really that's hard to believe because the last president was saying i want every kid back in school uh so uh lily for you oh really throwing it back to lily mason shut the fuck up more on that later li. He's treating this young kid like he's some drunk asshole that wandered into a kid's soccer game. Like, yeah, really? Come on, asshole.
Starting point is 00:47:29 Out you go. What the fuck was that? Really? That's hard to believe, Mason. Lily, bring it back home. Blue Lives Matter, right? Mason's son is great, man. I like that kid. I know, Mason. Sounds like he actually has a head on his shoulder. And he was confused when Brian came and was like really he was like yeah yeah uh like because the this new administration
Starting point is 00:47:52 believes in science the last president almost died of covid we're in school and school teaches like science and shit and yeah yeah thanks uh thanks, thank Copernicus and, uh, the unions for that. Uh, you could thank Mason for, uh... You guys have any grandparents that died? Yeah. Thank Mason when Ilhan Omar comes to skull-fuck your dad's Ford F-150 and turn it into a little electric scooter, okay? Poor kid, man.
Starting point is 00:48:17 These poor kids. That is so wild. Like, why are you picking them up? Like, it's so stupid. It's so fucked up, but again, this is this is it's really it's just idiocracy type shit just in real like you're like holy he's screaming at kids they brought kids on and he's screaming at the kids that they brought on but also like what exactly was the point of this right because even if mason didn't get out of pocket like some fucking free-thinking asshole, like, that they were just going to tell the Fox
Starting point is 00:48:48 audience things they already believe, so how's that going to move the needle? Or is it just more to be like, let's just keep them more entrenched and use this cacophony of child voices to further the... Nobody vetted the kids? How did they know? I know. Producer got fired. How you know? Quick, he was like,
Starting point is 00:49:03 what the fuck is Mason doing? Brent, get in here. Oh, poor Mason. Miss my friends. Yeah, sounds about right. Miss my after school program. But you know, at least this new president is on some science shit. Oh, yeah, really?
Starting point is 00:49:19 Oh, yeah? Well, because the other president wanted to open up schools when everybody was dying. So shut up, Mason. You look like a twerp, okay? Yeah, look, your chest isn't even developed. You look like a fucking bird, fool. Get out of my face. Get out of my face. You should push up your eye a little bit.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Fuck you, Mason. Oh, really? Back to you, Lily. Isn't Mason like this? Back to you.ly isn't mason like this don't we think mason sounds like oh i'm mason oh right uh that's really mean i don't brian it sounds like you're kind of bullying him my teacher said that's bullying oh shut up lily you fucking loser all right let's just go to commercial. These kids are fucking dumb. Yo, has that gotten a lot of play? That is wild, that segment. I mean, people...
Starting point is 00:50:10 Like on first-rate shows and podcasts. I don't know. Possibly. This happened today, so I think, you know, hopefully maybe some writers on Last Week Tonight are listening and, you know, that'll be in the show. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:22 We'll see. That is beautiful. Wow. I mean, it's truly like i mean it's kind of it makes sense but they are like the the conventional wisdom is that like when the other administration is in office they'll be able fox news gets to eat you know that's when they're really like served up all the red meat that they can like outrage their base with. But their policies like went so far with Trump that like they and they're just not popular, like they can't do it. And the that myth, like the bootstraps, like we're so number one, everyone's life is perfect. Myth has eroded.
Starting point is 00:51:06 So like to a much further degree where it's hard to bullshit people about their lived experiences day to day anymore. Like where people are more in denial about it because on one hand, they can be like, look at Joe Biden just giving all these lazy people's like all this money away, which they do to some extent. But if they reported like on the stimulus like too many people like nah i i actually need that money right right so they're like fuck what do we do so i guess we just have kids say dumb shit yeah look they painted themselves in a corner they sure did eat shit idiots yeah and i mean a version of that happens on you know like on msnbc too where it's like they can't fully, you know, for how like progressive they seemed when Trump was. It's like it's not the same intensity now that Joe Biden's in office.
Starting point is 00:51:53 So it's just a little bit like, oh, this is great. Like, you know, everybody has their the thing that we used to be doing with fox news which is like criticizing the substance of like the bullshit that they're reporting that has now shifted to like okay that's more like what the mainstream media is doing and fox news is just this like strange like disconnected parody of itself that like it it's not even like they're not they don't even like make a claim to any sort of accuracy it's just wild all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back i'm dr laurie santos host of the Happiness Lab podcast. As the U.S. elections approach, it can feel like we're angrier and more divided than ever.
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Starting point is 00:56:52 right right looking like actual human giants next to the carters it was my it's my favorite photo uh right now like Like the Carter. I don't know whether to be terrified of the Bidens or like really, you know, worried about the fact that the Carters are deflating. Yeah, the jokes were pretty funny that were coming out. But I mean, clearly a lot of lens distortion. But it's nice to see because I remember looking at him like, hold on. So they got custom built tiny chairs because i'm like based on how joe is stacking up he can't fit in that
Starting point is 00:57:30 chair i think these is this a tiny room they had made but you're like it's a wide angle yeah it's yeah so i i did like a bunch of research on not a bunch like 20 minutes of research on uh just how how this happens and finding like pictures that were taken with a wide angle versus a you know regular angle and like the person looks completely different like they look like a different person oh right right yeah sort of distorting yeah your features and shit yeah like if if you're up close to something with a wide angle like you'll look like a completely different person than you normally look like it's yeah uh pretty wild they were so little though i mean just it makes me mad that they aren't that little i know like i like to think like you just you just shrink into a little
Starting point is 00:58:24 fun person right when you're out of office you do shrink think like you just you just shrink into a little fun person you know when you're out of office you do shrink a little bit yeah you definitely shrink for sure but like it this look like you know tolkien type shit yeah it did i kind of want to see the carters with uh jay-z the other carters jay-z and beyonce and the kids i want to see the carters and the carters all the carters i want to see all of them with different families. Family matter. Switch it up. Switch it up so Jay and Beyonce are the tiny ones.
Starting point is 00:58:51 And June and Jimmy are just towering over them. Like, hey, look. Right. Jimmy Carter. I love Jimmy Carter, though, man. Dude sold his peanut farm to become president. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Look at him. And he put up solar panels on the fucking White House. He did. And to become president. Yeah. Look at him. And he put a solar panels on the fucking White House. He did. And he's had. Yeah. And then Reagan took him right down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:13 Well, you know, you know, good old Ron. Ron was like, yeah, it's going to mess up my satellite for my TV show. It's like, how am I going to get the latest track or crack statistics? The shit on my roof. Crack statistics. Get the crack ticker in the O crack statistics. I need to shit on my roof. Crack statistics. Get the crack ticker in the Oval Office. Jesus Christ. Oh, Ron.
Starting point is 00:59:32 It's wild that, like, they get credit as being, like, more down to earth than Jimmy Carter because Jimmy Carter let people, like, smoke weed on the roof of the White House. But Nancy Reagan was consulting a uh like psychic basically an astrologer for uh her what was her thing she like chewed her food a hundred times before she'd swallow it or something yeah that's time to eat like well her mom would chew it a
Starting point is 01:00:00 hundred times before dropping it into her mouth oh she's a little bird yeah yeah have y'all seen the picture of Nancy Reagan with Mr. T? I think Nancy Reagan's sitting on Mr. T's lap. Yeah. One of the greats. Captures a moment in time that will never be recreated.
Starting point is 01:00:17 Any celebrity who came to that White House, every photo looks surreal. You know, even like that Patrick Ewing one? Yeah. You know know you're saying patrick ewing and john thompson here 80s were a wild yeah bad but very uh fun to look at era let's talk about mdma nice so we've talked in the past about how therapists who treat ptsd are like very encouraged by early trials of MDMA when paired with actual therapy.
Starting point is 01:00:48 So they finally got this sort of major groundbreaking study. Double blind had a significant number of people, and they found that two months after treatment, 67% of participants in the MDMA group no longer qualified for a diagnosis of PTSD compared with 32% in the placebo group. So the placebo group got placebos, but then they also did the therapy. So this guy, Gull Dolan, who's a neuroscientist at Johns Hopkins, who has no involvement, is just like, from an outside perspective, this is about as exciting as clinical trials get. There's nothing like this in clinical trial results for neuropsychiatric disease. So, yeah, it's just super encouraging. just super encouraging i also i feel like this is something that should be a movement over the course of like this entire next like generation of humans that like there there's a reason people were risking their lives and uh you know their freedom to self-medicate with these drugs it's like they there's a there's something useful and
Starting point is 01:02:07 if you use them in a very controlled environment like it's it's gonna be powerful like if you just take seriously the experience of drug users who say actually like psychedelics gave me a really positive shift in like my mental spiritual life like that like if you think about like if any of the other you know if like paxil or like one of the prozac was taken off the market tomorrow there wouldn't be like a booming paxil or prozac market where like people are smuggling those drugs because they're just not like i i think that combining the market uh instincts of just like people and like the black market with what we're able to find uh through like clinical trials i feel could be, could be a big deal. Could be really useful to science. I think the,
Starting point is 01:03:07 the thing that makes it really psychedelics advantageous and sort of a therapeutic context is that like, you know, like when you're, you're partying on them, you feel is this like openness, you know, that's why people enjoy that because it, it allows you to sort of experience your, yourself in a way that is completely uninhibited, like you might normally be if you're not taking psychedelics. we have so many walls up and trauma causes all these fucked up ways. We try and protect ourselves that it's more like, let's melt those walls down so we can fucking get like really to some healing. Um,
Starting point is 01:03:52 and I, yeah, it's true. I think the next few years are really pivotal because it's almost like we need to start. Also, we need to have more of a, I mean,
Starting point is 01:03:59 there's clearly a movement to move away from just like drugs that are just going to mask things and actually trying to figure out how we can improve things for someone rather than to just make things bearable and i think this is a really important step and for years a lot of people been pointing to this year they felt like 2021 could be the year where we're gonna finally start getting some like legal mdma to start using in these therapeutic settings yeah and i mean all you read and hear are just like really interesting stories of how much it's helped people and you know who'd have thought that it would work better than the ones that are just meant to sort of numb you yeah it's deep yeah they uh this one person's experience i
Starting point is 01:04:37 always find like descriptions of psychedelic experiences kind of mind-blowing because they reveal the power of the mind like this person describes their experience in the therapeutic setting and it's basically like this drug gives him access to a part of his mind that just creates this beautiful, surrealist work of art that his brain was just producing in the background in order to allow him to heal himself. So it's talking about this guy, Ostrom, who was in Iraq. His days were punctuated by panic attacks. He had nightmares, really vivid nightmares, about being stuck in a town like cut off from his
Starting point is 01:05:25 troop and like being followed around by insurgents the bullets like instead of firing out of his gun with like dribble out of his gun um and so he like dropped out of college pushed friends and family away got into an unhealthy uh relationship was charged with assault and attempted suicide so then he does this uh therapy and they describe his sessions he now says he's literally a different person uh during his first of three sessions in early 2019 lying on a couch with eye shades and in a lucid dreamlike state mr ostrom encountered a spinning oily black ball like an onion. The ball had many layers, each one a memory. At the center, Mr. Ostrom relived the moment in Iraq. He said that, I became the person I needed to be to survive that combat deployment. Over the next two sessions,
Starting point is 01:06:17 Mr. Ostrom engaged with, quote, the bully, as he calls his PTSD, alter ego, and ask permission for Scott to return. That was who he was before the war. Now he works steadily as an HVAC specialist, owns a home, which he shares with his girlfriend, has a service dog. And he says, the reason I like calling this medicine is it's stimulated my own consciousness's ability for self-healing. this medicine is it's stimulated my own consciousnesses conch is that right consciousness is ability for self-healing uh you understand why it's okay to experience unconditional love for yourself like that uh for that passage really gets it like what i find so promising is like
Starting point is 01:06:58 the thing that the thing that uh gets in the way of our you know psychiatric uh progress is like that the mind is this massive powerful constantly shifting uh just more complicated than we could even possibly like conceive of thing that we mostly don't have access to like with our conscious mind and like the fact that this just gives you access to this thing that's so much more powerful than uh you can you can imagine as opposed to like you were saying miles as opposed to like numbing one part of that thing or you know uh separating us from the effects of that thing like i i feel like that is kind of. Again. Could be like a sea change. Yeah. Because I think it's like almost undoing.
Starting point is 01:07:49 All of this shit that we have societally. That creates. That puts us in the condition we're in currently. Yeah. And depending on if the environments you grew up in. And your experiences were traumatic. And things like that. That on top of all of this.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Can create a situation where it can become. Nearly impossible to have a level of self-examination or awareness because you've had to build up so many layers to survive and just prolong your experience, even no matter how tormented it is that you sort of need this to like, again, this idea that experiencing unconditional love for yourself, I think sounds foreign to most people, at least in America, like a lot of people, maybe on a, you know, Pinterest way, no loving yourself,
Starting point is 01:08:33 but in a very truly holistic idea of like what that means to engage in, you know, practicing unconditional love for yourself, to treat yourself with kindness, to be aware that there is a relationship between you and yourself that you have to enrich. I think, yeah, it's one of those things that you can feel vibrationally in those moments. Yeah, just reading that. And, you know, psilocybin has been used for people who are about to die, like they get to have these clinical experiences where they encounter that and i don't know it just makes me wonder like why we wait to give people a fear of death curing like
Starting point is 01:09:15 circumspection pill until they are about to die like what if our teachers and police and leaders and you know all had the opportunity to view the world with that wider lens maybe we wouldn't have as many soldiers coming home from wars with ptsd in the first place right yeah to consider what it means to be human uh yeah well and then but like then you'll have people like elon musk like yeah i microdose all the time yeah it's really fucking trippy right i don't know why it became snake from the simpsons but uh like there's an but i think there is like to to pair it with like the the desire to improve yourself and and having someone there to help you with that professionally i think it's like man i yeah again i hope this will become the norm because we so much of our medicine and things
Starting point is 01:10:12 like that is just to get people to like zero or like neutral never to go past that or you know just to make things bearable like rather than how can we actually help everyone move push past certain things and actually enrich themselves that's so funny shout out the mushrooms the tech industry yeah yeah it's funny that the tech industry is using this tool for like greater human understanding and like circumspection to like it makes me better at capitalism dude just like it makes me i'm like so much like just on it you know in the pocket ready to go just thinking outside the box on how to exploit all this intellectual property you know what i mean of course they are the fuck man so i came up with nfts yeah that's dope nfts is totally mushrooms That's totally just Yeah that's a mushroom trip
Starting point is 01:11:05 Hold on hold on I got something Get it away from these people Oh no We can disrupt the entire fucking world Nobody asked for that We're just gonna disrupt the fuck out of inequality Ready Player One and all that shit
Starting point is 01:11:22 Is totally just psychedelics just on a whole another level. Hold on, so I could just be this dude when I put these glasses on and I could just fade out into my own world and I could fly for hours? Fuck yeah. That's called me on the Oculus right now.
Starting point is 01:11:40 The Oculus is pretty cool. I just used it for the first time a couple weeks ago. Oh yeah? Yeah, it's pretty wild pretty wild yeah watching a movie in there i haven't watched a movie yet i just like uh i just i've seen a little bit of video content like oh this would fucking ruin me i haven't done like certain things i'd be like with like some good headphones on right good thing i don't have one yeah yeah. Yeah. Greg, as always such a pleasure having you on daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you and follow you? I believe you are on a podcast.
Starting point is 01:12:12 We were recently talking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With your girl. My homie, Brent Weinbach. We're doing a gangster party line podcast.
Starting point is 01:12:21 Brent, Brent created this video like 10 years ago. Maybe it was about yeah i think it's about 10 years ago where like he did like a weird infomercial about people calling a hotline to get talked shit by gangsters and uh and the video you know brent's like the homie from way back and the video is weird as fuck and uh he had a real hotline and people call the number so and people been calling the number forever so brent decided to do a podcast of the people that call and so it's me him adam sherry and we have comedic guests and people just call and we just talk shit to people and it's great you know it's it's really fun because in a world of everybody's kind of not scared to say
Starting point is 01:13:03 you know everybody's cautious nobody wants to hurt people's feelings nobody wants to get cancelled but in this realm of the gangster party line people just say whatever the fuck we want to say and it's kind of fun and I like it when somebody calls and they're just like oh man your mama eat nothing but broccoli and they just
Starting point is 01:13:20 they just call and they like immediately start talking shit and then we talk shit to each other and then we're like alright each other. Right, right. And then we're like, all right, cool. Ooh, got that off my chest. Thanks, man. All right, see y'all later. It's funny how some of the calls end like, they're like, oh, really?
Starting point is 01:13:33 Okay, well, you're a mom. And they're like, oh, all right. Thanks, guys. Yeah, cool, cool, cool. Thanks for picking up. And then it's like. Yeah, it's great. It's great.
Starting point is 01:13:39 It's like cathartic for everybody. Yeah, yeah. It's real fun. And some good shit talkers too so um yeah gangster party line uh podcast you can check me out on twitter as well greg the grouch and on instagram at uh greg comedy all right and is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying you know what somebody mentioned this uh website uh website, this Instagram account where people in New York leave furniture on the side of the street and people take pictures of it and you can see free furniture. I forget the name of the site.
Starting point is 01:14:17 I just saw it the other day, the name of the Instagram account. But it's pretty fascinating and I love it. I just love New York. And every time I go there, it's just a fun city that i never got the chance to live in like i wanted to stooping and stooping nyc yeah and it's great and people find like dope furniture all around the city and like really good for you know new york people like man i just wanted to live here for a month and i got to put all my furniture out i'm not paying for it so they put it all on the street and other people grab it and sell it.
Starting point is 01:14:45 Yeah. I just found that Instagram account. It's great. Yeah. New York just feels like one of those places where inexplicably people are like, do you want all this stuff for free? You're like, what? They're like, yo, I have to. You just bought this TV.
Starting point is 01:14:58 It's like, yeah, it's got a job in Chicago and I'm not taking any of it. And they're paying for me to just leave right now. So do you want everything? Yes. I was like taking any of it. And they're paying for me to just leave right now. So do you want everything? Yes. I was like, yes. Yeah. My mom can take the TV. Miles, where can people find you?
Starting point is 01:15:13 What's tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, miles of gray. And also the other podcast for 20 day fiance. Hit that up on twitch.tv slash four to zero day fiance. Some tweets. day fiance hit that up on twitch.tv slash 420 day fiance uh some tweets i like first one is from at french eeks tweeted five years ago i quit my job at applebee's to do comedy today i just started working at the same exact applebee's shit didn't really work out for me that's great That's so real, too. Shit. And then this one is from AnarchoHoodism. This is just quote tweeting a Tommy Lahren tweet where she tweeted. This is from like over the summer.
Starting point is 01:15:53 She said, hate cops. Next time you're in danger, call a thug. Let me know how that works for you. He said, she don't know. That's my go-to move always. Yeah. Dial seven digits and you have goons come through not fucking police oh that's amazing hey shout out to that person that didn't burn that bridge at applebee's though
Starting point is 01:16:15 man that's how you do life yo don't burn bridges yeah yeah yeah you know i answer that one tweet i called out of like a few months ago or this some some dude said when he was working in San Francisco, he called his friend who was an aspiring writer who worked at an Applebee's and called him up and said, hey, I'm calling from Hollywood, California. I love your script, and I want to offer you a job working at the Applebee's in California. I did this whole switch on him over the phone and got this dude so excited and it's like yo that's so fucked up damn tweet I've been enjoying
Starting point is 01:16:52 Greg 1667 6935420 there are that many Gregs on Twitter I guess just tweeted got him and then tweeted a conversation. So Jose Canseco, the slugger, tweeted, looking for a crypto token developer.
Starting point is 01:17:12 And this dude tweeted, hey, it's Greg. DM me, Jose. I can help. And then Jose Canseco DMed him and said, hey, are you a token dev? And he replied, no way, Jose. Jesus Christ. And then tweeted, we got him that's great uh you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a
Starting point is 01:17:42 website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you should go check out. Miles, what are we recommending today? Okay, look. It's almost the weekend so you need to get your body
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