The Daily Zeitgeist - Fox News Fighting Itself, Le KFC 3.17.22

Episode Date: March 17, 2022

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 228, Episode 4 of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist! It's a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is, of course, Thursday, March 17th, 2022, which means it is... Miles, I don't know how to read what you've written down here. Street something or rather day. I forget.

Saint something. You know, March 17th. It's one of those saints days, isn't it? March 17th. Oh, shit. I should know this, right? Saint, Saint Gertrude. Saint, Saint.

Patty cake. Saint Patty cake, Patty cake. Also, shout out to my nephew Who was born on St. Patrick's Day That's it There it is My nephew who was born on St. Patrick's Day What St. Day is it?

I don't know I don't know I just know it's happy he was born on St. Patrick's Day Anyways My name is Jack O'Brien A.K.A. Jack Cousteau O'Brien day day anyways my name is jack o'brien aka jack custo o'brien with that get up according to mampers 84 i guess because i was wearing a orange beanie in the picture we posted yesterday yeah i was also wearing a wetsuit and had a harpoon gun. So it could have been that as well.

No way to know. But I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Started from the bottom, kind of weird. Started from the bottom, made this whole nana disappear. Started from the bottom, kind of weird. Started from the bottom, ate the whole fruit from the rear okay shout out to christy amaguchi man at waffle house who was calling people were giving us new uh fruit eating techniques like peeling the banana from the bottom or what we think is the bottom or eating

an apple from the bottom you still haven't tried it though sometimes people give me a strange idea and i'm like maybe that one the idea of eating a banana from the bottom didn't even enter my brain I was just like what about the apple the apple what felt it just felt it was like that picture of the guy who pretended to be Justin Bieber who couldn't eat the burrito who's just eating it like a corn cob to see somebody eat an apple like that I'm like you're trying to get a rise out of me, right? Sorry, did I say? That's what I meant. The apple thing didn't even enter my brain. Banana, I've eaten

bananas all sorts of ways, including as a corn cob. By the way, shout out to whoever the person was who was like, I look like Bieber, and I know that if I go out into public as Bieber and eat a burrito as from the middle outward, it will break the Internet.

That person is a genius. And I hope that one day they use their powers for good. They got us. They got us. We devoted an entire episode of the show to it. What's wrong with Bieber? During the Trump administration. We just couldn't figure it out.

Our show has gotten better, I think. Anyways, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined by podcasting royalty. Yeah. A writer, media critic, and the host of one of my favorite podcasts. You're wrong about her writing has appeared in the believer on buzzfeed and she's just truly one of the best people in the world at interrogating the myths and narratives we use to define ourselves in the world around us the the stuff that we try to do on this show she's the best please welcome the brilliant and talented Sarah Marshall.

Sarah! Ah! Welcome. I love how much shouting is on this show. I'm learning so much about where to point my head when I'm shouting. There you go. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy to be here.

And I had no idea that there was a fake Bieber who couldn't eat a burrito. I feel like all I do is monitor the internet and I still miss all the good stuff. I'm so happy to get to learn today. It was a flash in the pan. Yeah, just went, dressed up in Bieber-esque clothing, sat on a park bench and started attacking a burrito from the middle. It is. The paparazzi were on it. I want Werner Herzog to make a documentary about this event. It would,

it would be good. And I, I truly mean what I said, like the, the level of subtle kind of tapped in Edness to the zeitgeist and the fact that that would capture our imaginations. Right. Hats off.

Yeah. The way the confused Canadian eats the burrito. In his eyes, I see only Tara. How are you doing, Sarah? What's new? What's new with you? I feel the optimism of spring sort of approaching. And I was just looking at the weather before we started talking and saw that we're now at, you know, equal amounts of darkness and light,

which is really exciting. I feel cautiously optimistic. But I guess that's my normal mood, which is probably a good way to go through life because you like hope good things will happen and then you find it believable when they do happen. But you don't, you know, expect to wake up to things functioning or anything. Right. Right. Cautious. All right. Well, we are going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We're going to talk about some Kremlin talking points that are continuing to cause problems on Fox. And just, you know, Fox is actually in this specific instance representing kind of a major debate happening in the international relations community.

But deploying it in a very cynical way that only serves Fox. Of course. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the fact that workers are maybe open to the metaverse, are being like kind of cornered into being open to the metaverse. Yeah. And yeah, we'll talk about whether that's a good thing or not. I think anything we can do to just, you know, continue to live in the world that Mark Zuckerberg built for us, I think is a good thing, right? I think we can all agree on that, right?

Yeah. That's the face of a benevolent deity. Good head on his shoulders. I created my own Buddha statues with his face on it. I changed all kind of deity statues I had. I did a lot of work to make them look like mark zuckerberg because he knows the way he does the way the path forward and we're going to talk about kfc going full demolition man with a uh with a degustation menu which is a tasting menu but in french in a french word that when i say it sounds close to disgusting, but I think the French probably have a much better handle on the pronunciation of that word. But anyways, KFC has a tasting menu.

We'll talk about it. I'm surprisingly okay with it. All of that, plenty more. But first, Sarah, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? I feel like generating Google search history is all I do. Like all I do is distract myself every five seconds, wondering about random things. Like this morning, I was like, I was lying in bed and I was like, what's Amy Jo Johnson doing now? You know, the Pink Power Ranger and Felicity's friend from Felicity. And I found out and it was really fun. What's Amy Jo Johnson up to? Oh, so I'm so happy you asked. She lives in

Canada and she is directing movies now. And according to her Wikipedia page, she taught some kind of martial arts class in 2004. I have no idea why that's on her Wikipedia, but it is. Okay. So the most recent funny thing from my history, I think, is Ratz and Berger's Star Wars, because for some reason I was reading, oh, here's what happened. I was reading, all right, I'm going to tell you about a little journey I went on this morning. Okay. I was like, apparently I'm obsessed with how old everyone is. So I was like, how old is Carla Lally Music? And then when I found out how old she was, I learned that her father-in-law was Lorenzo Music, the voice of Garfield.

And that Garfield is now voiced by someone whose name I forget, but who's an incredibly prolific voice actor and that he's the third highest grossing performer actor in movies. And I was like, who is the highest grossing actor in movies? And I forget who that is, too. But one of the top ten is John Ratzenberger, who played Cliff Clavin on Cheers. You're really getting insight into like the steel trap of my brain. and i was so i was like why is john ratzenberger story yeah well he's in every pixar movie right yeah which i didn't know and so i found out that he was in or every pixar movie until 2020 but yes every pixar movie for like 22 years or whatever it was. So he's in the top 10. And then I read on his Wikipedia page that he was in The Empire Strikes Back. And I was like,

no, he was not. And then I looked it up and you can see a picture of John Ratzenberger on the base on the ice planet Hoth in The Empire Strikes Back. And I was just so thrilled to learn that. And that's my little, that's what happens when you like give in to your unnecessary impulses to look up random people for no reason when you should be getting up and starting your day. Right.

Because I think the highest is still Sam Jackson, isn't it? Yeah, that is correct. According to the list that I'm looking at. Which Sam's earned. That feels meritocratic. Because the second he did those Star Wars prequels, it took him to the next level and then he added the MCU

stuff. But I think the other, like Robert Downey's really close too. I think now it's Rise of the MCU performers being on that list yeah i'm looking at it we got to read it down for the listeners so that they're not crashing their car googling this themselves uh we got samuel l jackson number one with like 5.6 bill robert downey jr 5.4 bill tom hanks that that feels meritocratic, as Sarah put it. Scarlett Johansson feels, you know, I mean, these are all people who like, they pick movies well, you know, they like, with the possible exception of Robert Downey Jr., who might be like, you know, he had his hits and misses but like samuel jackson and tom hanks

and scarlett johansson like they they just nail it time after time bradley cooper is a surprise for me coming in number five and i think that's more impressive because he's not in a star wars or mc yeah that's what like all these other ones. I'm like, oh, yeah, like something pops into my head like Bradley Cooper and Tom Hanks and Samuel L. Jackson, even though I guess he got the boost from the. He's in the MC. OK, Justin's saying Bradley Cooper's. He's. Oh, Rocket Raccoon. Rocket Raccoon. There it is. He's the voice. That's why he threw me off. So. So basically everybody has the MCU. I guess Tom Cruise and Harrison Ford. Tom Hanks. And Tom Hanks are non-MCU people on this list.

But you know what? There's some Ratzenberger erasure because nowhere to be seen on the list that I'm looking at. Oh, I think I have a list for maybe voice and also non-voice actors. Yeah. So it depends on which list. So Cooper, if cooper is doing it without without rocket raccoon because that is just a boy's performance as far as i know unless they fit him into like a really tiny raccoon costume he's got a little facial mocap stuff going on

okay okay so they do do a mocap for him that's incredible i love the idea of bradley cooper trying to emulate a little raccoon that That's like, what a performer. Yeah. All right. Well, Sarah, what is something you think is overrated? because I was eating a mixture of peanuts and cashews the other day, and I found myself really favoring the peanuts. And that got me to thinking about the fact that cashews are more expensive, more difficult to harvest. I think the labor involved in making cashews is a lot more intense.

I don't think we really grow them domestically. And so now I have a conspiracy theory that cashews aren't better than peanuts. They're just more difficult to obtain. Right. Like we're like at the will of the old like nut prices of the 19th century where they're like cashews are like gold. And we're still like, I don't know, the taste isn't that great compared to peanut. Because like cashews have a flavor, but they don't have that peanut bite. I'm cashew gang.

I love cashews. Wow. Despite the fact that when you look at them and how they're grown, they do look like the poop of another fruit. They're just like little curly things that hang out of the bottom of what looks like a pepper, like a yellow bell pepper. And I still love them because they're soft. They're softer, so they don't get that little... Easy on the teeth? Easy on the teeth and easy on the... I don't get the little chunk.

Like almonds, I feel like I'm eating little pieces of wood, and the wood pellets get stuck in my throat, and then I'm having coughing fits like out of nowhere, like 45 minutes later. I'm just like, all right, well, this conversation is ruined. I'll be over here coughing like you've poisoned me for the next 15 minutes instead of having a conversation. But cashews don't really fuck with me like that because they're just, I don't know. I think they start very soft and even after they're roasted, they're soft and easy to get down. I swallow them whole. Is that not correct? That's kind of winning me over. I should try doing that. But yeah,

the softness of the nut, I hadn't thought of that. You're right. Because like most nut situations, you're like, I am working to obtain these calories and cashews just like want to get inside of you that is a good quality but is the the flavor thing not a a knock against it's pretty bland you know i like the flavor it's like salty and kind of creamy to me that's right no i mean i get i i i fuck with all the textures if it's probably rich in oils that's why it's very easy on the i get i i fuck with all the textures if it's probably rich in oils that's why it's very easy on the teeth but i don't know like the the flavor of a cashew treat isn't as appealing to me as a flavor of like a peanut treat just going off of that alone that's all i'm saying that's all i have to say and there's no need to escalate this disagreement

any further i mean if we're going peanuts versus cashews, like in terms of overrated, underrated, like how many candy bars are there that have cashews as an ingredient? Like zero, right? Yeah, we have no basis for comparison. We're flying. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. And maybe maybe that's where I'm being robbed as a consumer of not being able to have those cashew choices, uh, in my, in my candy bars, but nothing wrong with these fucking peanut ones.

Cause I fucking love to fuck. Yeah, no, I, yeah, I'm happy with the place of peanuts as the predominant, like peanut butter is one of my, you know,

probably takes up about 25 to 30% of the calories. I can, it's your blood type. I think my doctors are very concerned. Yeah. It's not good. Actually's very bad very bad i think i think i paused yesterday's recording of tdz to take a big bite of peanut butter toast and miles miles called it out and was like that's the worst possible thing you could be taking a massive bite of, like, right as we're introducing our guest. Of mouth glue while you record your podcast.

Just intentionally wading into the waters of that Aaron Burr Michael Bay commercial. That commercial was incredible. Like, I really love how many people absolutely remember it. Like, no trouble at all. You say Aaron Burr and they're like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That commercial. Still the best thing Michael Bay has ever directed.

I didn't watch Hamilton because of that commercial. I was like, I already get it, bro. I get it. I don't need to know. You're like, the legacy is complete. Yeah. I'm like, really in my mind, I was like. There's nothing left to learn.

Right. I was like, I already learned the parable of the man in the body cast who was trying to. Was that kind of body cast? Aaron Burr. I don't know. I don't think he was. No. Oh, he's a different one.

I think he was working at an Aaron Burr museum. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. He was a different guy. And weren't like the fighting like muskets like in a box next. There was some other like artifact next to him.

Yeah. He had all the all the artifacts there the the body cast is a different got milk commercial yeah sarah what is something you think is underrated this is such a beautiful segue because actually i wanted to plug chocolate milk and it's i'm happy that we have sort of wandered over to the the milk campaigns of the 90s because when i was a kid i actually owned a book of the milk ads where they had the celebrities with milk mustaches which was a different campaign from the got milk ad which is like i can't i don't know there's something very 90s about growing up with like two different and equally prominent milk campaigns.

Maybe I should do a podcast about that. So I'm not a milk booster by any means, but I think chocolate milk is like an incredibly decadent, delicious, perfect dessert, snack, whatever. delicious, perfect dessert, snack, whatever. And I think that a lot of adults are sleeping on it because we just remember, we think of it as a food of childhood maybe, and we haven't, it's not integrated into our lives. But like, I think if you had never had chocolate milk in your life and you had some today, you would be like, what is this brand new, incredible product that is going to be the new trend food. I think it's, I think that we've been sleeping on chocolate milk as adults. Yeah. There's a shame, you know, that we're too mature. Our palates have gone beyond the chocolate milk. And I just started drinking mochas in the

morning. Like when I walk by this coffee shop, I'm like, you know what? I want hot chocolate with a little bit of coffee in it. And I'm not upset about that. That's what I need. And the chocolate Oatly, that oat milk has brought me back into drinking chocolate stuff again. Cause like, as if it's so funny, you bring up like the, like, I'm like sort of self-awareness around being an adult buying chocolate milk. But in my mind, I'm like, where's the new Oatly thing that's out there? It's oat milk and it's chocolate. So might as well try that rather than saving the world. Yeah.

I have babies. Thank you to the oat milk. Yeah. What were the 90s chocolate milk campaigns like? Were they just like the got milk campaigns, but just with a chocolate milk mustache? I mean, I want to say that they did at least one of those where they had somebody drinking milk. And I could be totally making that that up because this is how memory works it seems like something that would have happened i feel like i could have seen that right i don't know i but i'm really curious about what all that was i thought you said you had a whole book of chocolate milk oh i had a book of no just regular okay got it

remember as they were like yeah the milk campaign and the other normal milk campaign. The Olsen twins had one? Lipnicki, that's right. Lipnicki had a chocolate milk one. Yeah. Yes. Did you know the human head weighs? Right. That's what the campaign is.

Wow. Do you remember the actual mustaches, though, from those ads? It was not milk at all. And that always bugged me as a kid looking at those ads. It was not milk at all. And that always bugged me as a kid looking at those ads. I'm like, whatever they're drinking is so fucking thick because it looks like white out on their mouth. And I'm like, there's just a whole... I don't know.

Photographs better, yeah. Yeah, it's impossible for me to get behind that. I think the book talked about that. I think they were like, it's part ice cream. And maybe it was like... Yeah, I want to say ice cream was involved. But I mean, yeah. It's always funny to me when there's some kind of national campaign for just a food that doesn't have a brand behind it.

Like, I feel like we also got a lot of ads for eggs as a concept. Oh, yeah. Eggs. They're pretty good, right? All those interest groups remember when it was like beef you know like just like and they were playing oh my god pork yeah the other white meat the other white meat oh my god yeah and it's so over that shit yeah it's very depressing to me like how how much i loved these commercials when I was, like, 11.

And I remember a friend, when we were, like, 10, we, like, found the phrase. No, we were calling something the other white meat that we thought was very funny. But just how, yeah, this thing where, like, I fondly remember all of these very sort of weird, high-powered, you know, probably quite cynical ad campaigns from my childhood. And it's like, that's the culture that you end up with. Kind of a bummer. Yeah. At the same time, like, I've talked a lot about, you know, Big Dairy being, like, the original power industry in America that, like, you know, caused a lot of, it's caused a lot of people to die earlier than they probably should have. The only time that American obesity and heart disease deaths like dropped like to a normal global average was during World War II when there were dairy rations. And then the second they stopped rationing the dairy, it went, popped back up. Same time, like, if we're

comparing that to, you know, the foods that we're advertised today on a regular basis and, like, the state of the human body today versus, like, the 1950s, 60s, 70s, like, it's probably okay by comparison, I would say. I was really thinking you were going to talk about raw milk deaths because my favorite fact about Nixon, which at this point is old enough in my brain that I'm sure I'm getting something a little wrong because that's how it goes, but is that I believe that when he was a child, he had a sibling who died after consuming raw milk that was, you know, something wrong with it, as can happen. And that's and that, like, influenced his desire to regulate the milk industry and industries generally, which is like, you know, yeah.

One of those moments where you're like Nixon, mostly a monster, but had some some ideas and that was a weird ad campaign the nixon mostly a monster but yeah had some weird ideas that worked out like all right they had all the celebrities with nixon masks on and yeah nixon he yeah the nixon mustache if he's been through a personal trauma directly connected to the topic nixon, it will get worse. There are chocolate milk ads. I forgot about these. They've been out for a couple of years where it's like athletes saying that they refuel with chocolate milk. There's one with Al Warford, the basketball player.

He's like, I'm built with chocolate milk. There's one with Carmelo Anthony. He's like, when I give 110% in a game, I got to finish it with chocolate milk. Another one with Klay Thompson. Yeah. It's his official recovery drink of Klay Thompson. Kevin Love. It's interesting. 10 in a game i gotta finish it with chocolate milk another one with clay thompson yeah it's his official recovery drink of clay thompson kevin love it's interesting it like i've always thought that's a very specific tier of athlete like they're sub gatorade but like you know they're like right like it's not steph curry it's clay thompson yeah it's not lebron james

it's al horford it's not lebron james it's kevin love it's not lebron james it's not LeBron James. It's Al Horford. It's not LeBron James. It's Kevin Love. It's not LeBron James. It's not even Kyrie Irving. It's Kevin Love. It's Kevin Love. Being like, hey, man, that's how it was built.

But I get it. You know, maybe it's it almost reminds me like that meme of like when you grow up with like athletes like who just don't put anything into themselves,

but are somehow like at their peak levels. You know what I mean? Like they're like, I don't have a trainer. Like I don't put anything into themselves but are somehow like at their peak levels. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have a trainer. Like, I don't eat right. I'm just kind of gifted. That's almost like what these ads make me feel like. It's like, I don't know, dude.

I just drink chocolate milk. Yeah. I'm an NBA, so. Check it out. My body is basically a miracle. Science should study it. But you could try drinking chocolate milk, see how that works for you. Probably not as well as it works for me.

You'll probably just need a nap. Whatever. But I know, like, I have a, my brother-in-law is actually a really great, like, long-distance runner. And he's been known to, like, slam a thing of chocolate milk after he does a long training run. So I think there's something to it. Yeah, it's got a lot of good stuff in it. Hey, in this ad, it's Clay Thompson with the basketball says, It's the ideal three-pointer.

Nutrients to refuel natural protein to rebuild. Backed by science. Yeah, there it is. In that there's nutrients and protein, technically, but don't talk about the sugar. Right, right, right. That's all good. Don't worry about it. No, it's irrelevant. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Fox News, the Kremlin, the whole confusing slash not that confusing situation in Ukraine.

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Because Fox News. And I think for most people who don't watch Fox News or who aren't like, you know, racist brain, they will watch the show and you can kind of watch the how the pundits sort of like everything. A lot of the punditry feels like a stream of consciousness freestyle, like where you just have to connect certain like phrases like losing our freedoms, woke agenda, and Biden is destroying this republic. And then you've got like a take somehow like ready made for any show on Fox. But if you aren't careful, repeating the hot takes you're here on the office, I think may cause you a bit of on air tension, specifically on Fox and friends, because Brian Kilmeade and Rachel Campos Duffy had a bit of a, you know, a disagreement over just sort of their geopolitical takes as it relates to the

russian invasion of ukraine brian killmeade if you forget on fox and friends whose past hits include things like the burning of the fox news christmas tree is an attack on christian america or we need to reopen new york city in may of 2020 he's not the brightest star on Fox, but this week he was given a nice chance to be the smart guy when Rachel Campos Duffy, you know, decided to give her take on what is happening in Ukraine and who's at fault here.

Joe will not be part of NATO. Well, I'll tell you what, you can never give in to what Russia wants other nations to do. They're going to decide to go into NATO, go into the European Union, when they're a European society that wants that? Well, we have a Monroe Doctrine,

and I think we would be very concerned about this kind of action in our hemisphere. I think he said, keep it neutral. And in the end, probably Ukraine is going to lose more land because of this. Again, the main problem here, as you see, and as we discussed, well, no, actually, the main problem is still China. And now we've created a bigger block, China and Russia together. This is why our policymakers aren't thinking long term.

Provoking this war has brought our two enemies closer together. They provoked the war. We're not going to let them do it. We're not going to let them do it. We're not going to let them do it. Provoking this war has brought

our two enemies closer together. They provoked the war. They had a red line and we had an agreement in November with a security agreement. They can't make a red line in other countries, Rachel. It's not up to them to make a

red line in other countries. This is the fate of the geography of Ukraine. And they could have remained a free country. We could have armed them. We could have actually. You understand, Russia got

their way. They lost their stooge in an election. The minute they lost their stooge in an election, it had nothing to do with us. They took Crimea and the two Donbass regions. So he goes on to state facts about certain things that have occurred. But, you know, Rachel Campos Duffy, who obviously isn't just a former cast member of the 1994 San Francisco Real World cast. That's wild. I did not realize she was a fucking talking head. That's Rachel. That's Rachel. Wow. Okay, the season with Puck in San Francisco and Pedro, okay, iconic season on

Real World. That's what ascended to these things. The season, I feel like. Yeah, that's that was like the first season when I feel like they really started getting real and stopped, you know, whatever the fucking tagline is. Yeah. But that is such an iconic season.

That's wild. Okay. So this is actually the debate I'm seeing a lot of people have. So somebody had brought to my attention the work of this international relations professor, John Mearsheimer. And he's in the he's in the realist camp of which they they just they were smart when naming themselves, I guess. But this is the version of international relations where like great powers will inevitably fight, will inevitably test each other. And back in 2008, this dude was like,

we are fucking up by pushing a NATO agenda in Ukraine because that's going to piss off Russia, and we want Russia as an ally because China is the real threat. So that's, I think, the talking points that are coming, where her talking points are coming from. Like the realist point, like this is something I even like took a class on in college. And like the problem with the realist model of international relations is it's deterministic it's like this is inevitably how people behave so like the he brings up the monroe doctrine a lot as well and basically says look how the united states

reacted when there were cuba brought some missiles by. Right, Russia put missiles in Cuba. They almost, the U.S. almost ended the world. And so by trying to invite Ukraine into NATO, that is like the equivalent of that. And therefore, like they should never do that because this is just how the world works. And that's always been my issue with the

realist point of view is that it treats things as like fixed and inevitable. And like, this is just how the world works. And you can't criticize it because this is just, you know, Putin is just doing what a great power politician does. And there's no like normative judgment on it. It's just like, yeah, that's just how it works. And we need to befriend Putin and so that we have a stronger, you know, stance when it becomes the U.S. versus China. So my issue, like I have agreed with some of the things they've said, like that the U.S. should have been better at diplomacy when it came to conversations around NATO and Ukraine. And when it came to things like Obama calling Russia like a regional power or, you know, whatever you call them, like those weren't great diplomatic moves. But like, does that mean that it's the United States fault for for Putin bombing maternity wards?

Fuck no. That's the problem that deterministic thinking gets you into, is that you're just like, there's no right or wrong. It's just like, this is just the way it is, folks. Sorry. I'm pretty sure Rachel Campos read that Mearsheimer New Yorker interview. Yeah. And found something that worked because you you know, you have to go on Fox and you got to do something that will at least hit Biden, you know?

Right. And this does give it like somewhat of an intellectual argument as to the missteps that occurred, you know, historically to bring, you know, to bring the situation to this point. Historically to bring, you know, to bring the situation to this point. But I think that's what I was saying earlier is like, she's using this to just most people think it's a problem to be solved well that's and even in that interview in the new yorker right the the journalist i don't i want to get their name uh isaac cottoner is who's interviewing him saying well like you know but the monroe doctrine in a way is sort of saying that the u.s determines what any sovereign nation's foreign policy is. So isn't that problematic? It's like, yeah, but we've been doing that forever.

Yeah, but we shouldn't be. That's it. Yeah. That's always like that's like that entire interview is like, well, what about this? Yeah, but that's just how it is. And it's like, but that's fucked up and bad. And so how do we get better? And I get, I guess for him, the realist part is saying, how could you ever think for a moment that these entrenched superpowers are

for a second going to like have redefined what a nation state is or whatever. So everybody can get along. Yeah. Why does this feel like excerpts from family therapy? Right. You just treat things like they're always going to be that way dad i'm trying to change the paradigm not everything's black and white oh it isn't it either is or it isn't and right now it isn't like what better opportunity to criticize your own nation's like way of doing things than when

everybody is getting to see what it looks like when a nation acts the way that your nation does you know like that it's not a time to like dig in and be like well see this is how it is and we should have been nicer to them so that like they wouldn't bomb these maternity wards and like that yeah it's a it a, I think the realist camp is a good way of describing how things have operated for a long span of history. I don't think it's a good way of like operating and like thinking the world should operate. Yeah. It's a, it's a, right. An analytical lens to look through, not a philosophy to move into society to the future.

But yeah. Yeah. philosophy to move into society to the future but yeah yeah because you could look and like you would be like meersheimer be like well we've been overthrowing governments for a while that's bad i don't know i don't know but yeah it is it's just interesting to watch that tension spill over on fox too because i think of the other thing that meersheimer was arguing against he's like it's too convenient for the west and western media to just say, yeah, it's all just Vladimir Putin. And completely extracting themselves from the diplomatic missteps that may have like in his worldview being like, you can't poke a friggin monster with a stick and then expect nothing to happen. That's just how that's just not how any of this stuff works.

But even then, you're just seeing like this kind of these worldviews trying to like reconcile with each other on Fox News of all places. your show is like a little bit further in the you know rear view than like an war that is happening on a day-to-day basis but like i'm just curious to hear like how do you follow a story like what what's happening in ukraine i mean do you follow a story like that you have the emotional bandwidth unfortunately the way that i consume news in the last couple years is mostly from my friends telling me what's happening. And then that's how I know what's happening, because that's all we ever talk about anymore. I feel like there was a time when you could, I don't know, I'm sure there are people who still live like this. It's strange to contemplate. But when you would just sort of like talk with friends and like current events wouldn't come up even once during a single day.

And now it feels like that's just all we talk about. And so I feel like my filter, it's like my burnout is being accommodated by the fact that people are constantly bringing me headlines to discuss. to discuss. But yeah, I mean, I think it's, I guess like it's both, it makes it both more and less underwhelming to engage with, you know, what we're talking about today and be like, well, this is, this feels like the debate that we have been having forever about, you know, what is human nature and this idea of like, well, here's a way humans behave selfishly. It's what we're destined to do. And if you try to, to live differently or to believe in something, some other reality, then you're a sucker. And I do think that's, I guess it's like, I, I follow stories by breaking them down to, to the ingredients in that way. Right. You get, no, I'm not gonna, I could launch into a whole thing about why my

belief in UFOs makes me feel good about doubting the realist point of view. And I will not do that. I do really want to hear that. Oh man. Does this like connect to the sort of the themes of arrival, which is that aliens might just sort of lovingly pity us? which is that aliens might just sort of lovingly pity us. I think that might be it. Like, yeah, basically. So I don't know. Like, I feel like we've seen a lot of shit that makes that suggests that there is something that is much more technologically advanced than us, that is present around us and is not like the military is aware of it and they don't want us to know about it i think because

the way that that alien technology behaves is so contrary to this like this sort of realist perspective on the world is what the entire pentagon the entire u.s economy because it's so propped up by the military what we like even our theoretical understanding of physics like are coming through and just being like we're just gonna like check out your nuclear weapons plants to make sure you guys can't kill yourselves like all at the same time and then we're gonna dip it's like no they like obviously it's not a thing that, like, the more advanced you get, the more you're just going to, like, fuck everyone over. Now, granted, that seems to be, like, other than a handful of movies, like, Arrival, like, that is the model that we get from our movies about aliens. the reason that the military is so intent on covering up the like contact and like, you know, all of these instances of like encounters with technology that's like beyond our understanding is that those technologies exist, like apparently exist and aren't being used to just like murder us

all. And like that kind of fucks up their whole model and fucks up the whole like realist model too this is my kind of conspiracy theory i gotta say and yeah i feel i mean this connects with one of my core beliefs which is that like the myth of the brilliant serial killer like the mastermind you know murderer whatever this idea that like murdering people connects them how to intelligence which i think is like an unstated idea that we have i think is makes no sense to me yeah i because it's like people who are well adjusted and like doing well and at their peak don't murder people like they just don't you. Right. Not to sound like Elle Woods, but I feel like we have this

sort of Hannibal Lecter paradigm of like, what if there was someone who is smarter than everyone else and really had their shit together and like chose with a free will to be a serial killer? And it's like,

I don't, I don't know. I don't think that sanity really aligns with the need to kill people over and over. That's my take. Have you guys done Dahmer on You're Wrong About? We did, but a long time ago. That was one of the first ones.

Yeah, that is a really good example of this. Yeah, because I feel like Dahmer happened after Silence of the Lambs, but it was right at the same time. happened after silence of the lambs it was but it was like right at the same time and like the yeah zeitgeist was hungry for a like you know pardon the pun but like the zeitgeist was hungry for a cannibal and they this serial killer was discovered who had body parts in his apartment and the police like sort of got him to be like, yeah, I tried one like once. And they were like, Dahmer's a cannibal. There he is. There he is.

Get him. Thank you so much for knowing that like he wasn't eating human flesh as a main diet and that he had body parts just to have because like nobody knows that. And I realize it might seem like a fine distinction, but like it's weird, right. Like, why would you need to grade inflate your headlines if you already have reality? And just like had the bodies all over the house because he was like a like exactly what you're talking about. He was a broken, destroyed human being who I think I really like wouldn't be surprised if the idea that he even tried to like tried one of the body parts was like kind of pressured into him by the police and he or just by his like realization that wow people really respond when responded when i i said that so like i'm going to go with that right after silence of the lambs came out but anyway a really good question i mean also and well yeah and speaking of people who evade detection you you know, it's like it's it. I don't think it's ever because of superior intelligence. And in Dahmer's case, it was because his victims were mainly people of color.

Yeah. He lived in a low income neighborhood and primarily a black neighborhood. And his neighbors complained about the fact that they seemed to be living next to a serial killer. And he had victims escape and the police returned one of them to him. And, you know, yeah, like you don't have you don't need a brilliant end. Like causing harm isn't a sign of having your life together. And the ability to cause continued harm to the people around you also doesn't mean that you're smart. It means that the authorities don't care about the people you're hurting.

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ass script to an artist and like saw what they did with it and then they were like i don't like making movies this sucks and didn't really make anything else. He had such a vision that he was trying to apply. And like the suit is like, what? He's like, dude, I'm an artist. What if this was in it? They're like, no. And yeah, completely soured him on it.

And now you'll probably see his work. If you go to the standard in New York, he does like, I always talk about this guy's art because it's he's an amazing visual artist. If you're at the standard in New York, the hotel has like a small miniaturized version of one of his art pieces when you go up or down there's like this like a collage of different film film like little he like like rotoscoping out little moments from film and shows you like the ascent into heaven or the descent into hell depending on which direction you're going into the damn the. I've been there and did not realize that was him. But that, and also I was going to say it makes so much sense. It does not, given what I know of Demolition Man,

because Demolition Man does not have that sort of trippiness to it. But it is like a fully realized, like artistic vision of the future. And in that future, Taco Bell was was a the only restaurant in existence and b consisted of fine dining featuring small portions of food with pretentious presentations taco bell had won the what do they call it like the franchise wars franchise wars yep i'm a fan big fan of the film dude like is it implied that those were actual wars or just you know like hostile take i don't know but don't we need a prequel about that it would be better than that clone wars thing like yeah let me see like san angeles like the 10 years before john spartan is thawed from ratzenberger has to has to there. So the, and it has to be full, full Ratzenberger,

not just a voice so that he can take his place on the, on the list of the most successful actors of all time. Yep. But yeah, so apparently KFC is going down a similar path, at least for the purposes of a marketing stunt that got us hook, line, sinker.

They fucking nailed this marketing stunt because we are talking about it and there's nothing anyone can do to keep us from talking about the fact that KFC is going prefix menu, a tasting menu, a degustation menu featuring 11 courses, a wine pairing, and it costs yeah baby cost just over 50 dollars so i don't know what kind of wine i mean that's like five dollars a course i would do it yeah like that is a deal that is so it's the food kfc though the food is kf KFC. Let me take you through some of the courses. Enlighten me. The photographs that they have are what one is a single chicken wing being unveiled. Have you ever seen those when they do the deconstructive cooking and there's a glass

little shell on top? Yeah. of cooking and there's like a glass little like shell on top yeah glass dome on top of it with like foam or with steam in it and then they like take it off and the steam like smoke yeah to get you the smoke flavor they like hit it with smoke for a little bit right yeah so they got that but with a kfc chicken wing a single kfc chicken wing and just like some fancy garnishes so that i'm gonna just skip right to the one that really intrigues me because this feels like a genuinely creative idea. There is a bun that comes with a gravy candle. And as this gravy candle melts, you can dip your bun into the melted gravy wax. Yes, I'm back. I'm so into it i love that

i love that shit so much like a gravy candle a gravy candle what's funny is that i thought that do you remember the mario lopez movie that they did like like the 20 minute Lifetime movie where he plays. No, the hot. No, he plays the hot Colonel Sanders. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I did not watch it. I was so against that. I was like, this is terrible.

This is completely against what Lifetime is for. I hate this thing where Lifetime and KFC are trying to be in on the joke about how they're both like things that we consume when we feel bad about ourselves. And that's what they're for. But like, I don't't know i feel like such a simp for a gimmick but like i think this sounds amazing yeah and they've taken some big swings but in the past they had that log like the yule log that smelled like spices they had like a weird video game there is there was a lot they tried a lot but this one, like you said, Sarah, I can, they said gravy candle. And that's all I need to hear.

All right. Exactly. I don't know if we're allowed to say this. Super producer Becca, are we allowed to talk about the fact that we have brought in-house one of the KFC marketing geniuses? So one of our newest producers,

super producer Becca Ramos, she came to us from the world of marketing and worked on the kfc marketing team and she single-handedly came up with the mario lopez every single idea every single one of those ideas no i'm just joking i don't she i love it erase the work of her co-workers she conceived all that shit No, I'm just joking. I don't know. She does not. It was great. I loved it. Erase the work of her co-workers. She conceived all that shit. You got half the credit. Man, Mario Lopez getting a lot of burn on the dailies.

I know. Back to back days. Yeah. Yesterday's guest, Sarah, was co-starred with Mario Lopez in Feliz Navidad, a Lifetime Christmas movie. We evoke Lopez's name on the regular here. But is this fancy feast? Can we get that in here? Do you go to a restaurant?

Or this is for another country where people have nothing? It's Australia, and it's a limited. You have to know the president to get on the list, the wait list I don't know if that's true but it's how I imagine things work in Australia yeah, hey Aussie Zeitgang please get on that wait list

let us know do you work for Aussie KFC? can you hook us up? I really want to see this gravy candle. The gravy candle just needs to become a thing. Like candles that melt into various things that you can dip bread in. Give that to me 10 years ago. It's so romantic.

Yeah, exactly. Honestly, i'm so into this idea like i would go to a concert where they just lit one on fire and we watch it melt i'm like yeah just bring your own bread yeah get a little dip yeah come on yeah because it kind of solves the main problem with fondue which is the like bubbling pot that is like just sitting there like a bathtub that various people have like exactly food into this everything is freshly melted so you you don't feel like you're you know that there might be a toenail in there or whatever that's fine too protein um calcium but the i there are actual edible candles because i searched and i was like please tell me i can just

get this on my own and they're just putting me onto something that exists right now i think most edible candles are like chocolate for like a birthday cake so it melts chocolate pond the cake man we had trick candles by accident for my uh four-year-old's birthday party and like that is that has changed my my children's relationship to candles in its entirety every candle they light they're like it's a trick in the world yeah no trust in christ ever get it i remember like a kid at one time at like I was seven and someone had trick candles and everyone was like, Oh wow. And this one kid was like,

watch this. He just licked his fingers and like snubbed out the flame on the wick. And he's like, that's the only way to put them out. We're like, this isn't even your fucking birthday, bro. Who are you?

I went outside and smoked a cigarette. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The kid who could put the cigarette out on his tongue in middle school, that was that kid's, I don't know where his parents were, but he wanted to beat me up pretty bad, actually, now that I think about it. But shout out to him. it but shout out to him but yeah there's something about being like the first kid to smoke and being the kid who can put a cigarette out on your tongue that i feel like there might be some overlap there so i i feel like i'm a little less excited about the other offerings besides the gravy candle there's like one of them like i mentioned single chicken wing but just you know it has a smoky

little what's that movie where everybody's under the dome under the glass dome under the dome under the dome yeah it's a in an homage to under the dome right there's there's one that's just three pieces of popcorn chicken but then they like pour something on top of it and like serve it with like some curled up spinach leaves. The one that I feel like I just don't know how to feel about is an edible stencil art of Colonel Sanders' face, which you were supposed to lick. Okay. Lick the likeness of Colonel Sanders off a plate.

No. Yeah. That's where I'm back at. But I don't know. But like, I want every fast food company to do this like if mcdonald's did this i would be all over it and like i don't you find it absurd that mcdonald's even has ads at this point it's like they're just a constant aren't they recession proof like it's just do people ever did not go to McDonald's? But I mean, but they've

been doing increasingly desperate stuff lately, I think. And like, listen, this is a desperate thing that would really pander to me directly. And I'm still somewhat relevant from a marketing perspective. So do it, you guys. Yeah. The marketing is only to get young, young children, I think at this point, everybody else, they're like, yeah, you guys get it. Kids love tasting menus. They love tasting. I mean, I think we've proven we're all just kids. We just were chocolate milk drinking, plate licking, gravy candle loving, adult food.

I mean, that is like a billion dollar marketing idea, though, that like a week it's like restaurant week in you know la but like a restaurant week for all chain restaurants where like they all offer their own tasting menu of like culinary creations taco bell using the same five ingredients they use for everything else but like they you know just new. I feel like that would get people interested. Yeah, you should. I'll back you. Hey, I'm going to give you the ultimate compliment, Sarah. You should work in marketing.

For every creative. That was what I wanted to do when I was a kid. I loved commercials. I wasn't allowed to watch non-PBS. So commercials were like this beautiful forbidden fruit and that probably never left me. That's the same with my kids. The only

TV they're allowed to watch is sports when I'm watching it. And so they just ignore the shit out of the sports, but when the commercials come on, they just come right up to the TV and sit there like they're getting to watch the greatest things. They're like, yes, Prilosecc otc my favorite commercial but that like that's where i got my evidence that like that's

what these commercials like that's why mcdonald's still advertises because you know we've haven't almost never eaten at mcdonald's in their lives and they're like i want mcdonald's fries i'm like how do you even know what the fuck McDonald's fries? Oh my God. That is why it's because new people are being created. That's the only people who need to see McDonald's ads. People who are five. exactly.

So there, yeah, exactly. Inoculate them, get them to understand. Get them. Well, Sarah,

uh, truly a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you, all that good stuff? It's a beautiful thing. So you can find me on You're Wrong About, which is on Twitter at You're Wrong About. I am tweeting a lot about Jell-O history right now at Remember underscore Sarah. And I also have a feelings podcast about movies called You Are Good, which has not talked about Demolition Man yet. And I feel like that's really an oversight. Wow. What's a good starter episode for people on You Are Good?

We just released one about Arrival, actually, with Ryan Ken, which I think is, I just really love that one. I think it's like, it's about a great movie. It's a great conversation. It's a wonderful guest and just like gets into what we were talking about before. This idea of what if there was this tremendous power out there in the universe that viewed us with compassion? And how would we even figure out what to do with that information? And yeah, it feels like a movie that continues to grow more relevant.

Yeah. And is there a tweet or some of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yes. Well, so many, but... So this is a tweet by Aaron Summers, at Summers Aaron,

who had... This is actually two tweets. So there was an original tweet this morning that says, we didn't have five bucks to beat the tooth fairy last night and reaching some new frontier of parenting snuck five dollars of my daughter's own money, in quotes, from her stash and put it under her pillow. And then the follow up tweet to that an hour later says, people commenting on my tooth fairy tweet that five dollars is too much, dot, dot, dot. Tooth compensation has been stagnant since the early 1990s. We believe deeply in fair pay, which, like, I love that.

It's a tooth. It's, like, it's the first. I don't know. I think if adults lost teeth regularly, like, not in bar fights, we might be more inclined to compensate children better. Because, like, it is a process. I respect this philosophy. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, it was five dollars of her own money. Come on. That's right. So she's breaking even. I feel like all the people who are like, that's too much. We're like CEOs of like John Deere and fucking Home Depot. Well, yeah, it's their inner capitalist coming up. You can't just raise the rates.

I only got a dollar. They're getting five? No, we're not canceling student debt. But also, the move was pretty capitalist. I took the whole motherfucker's money and gave it back to them. So those people shouldn't be too mad. Miles, where can people find you?

What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and instagram at miles of gray and also uh you know you know you know me on 420 day fiance but you know jack and i we have a basketball podcast coming out i think we can say i think we will say that out loud yeah if you listen this far and we'll tease that out a little bit more and we recorded an episode and it it's good, I think. It's good. It's a lot of fun. It's fun.

It's for the casuals like us. You know, we're not doing X's and O's. We're having a good time. So check it out. You'll hear a title soon. You'll see some art coming soon. But I just want to get the zeitgeist out there primed and ready. Yes, we are doing a basketball podcast.

That is not a joke. So hopefully you'll support us there. A tweet I like. It's from Lauren Lapkus. At Lauren Lapkus tweeting. basketball podcast that is not a joke so hopefully you'll support us there a tweet i like from lauren lapkus at lauren lapkus tweeting instead of i was today years old when i learned try i just learned or i'm very stupid but did you know that's great all right a tweet i've been enjoying i i love john boyce who is like a i think he's a sports writer for like one of the blogs he makes like fun documentaries he made one about mma fighting in a time of loneliness with felix from a choppo trap house anyways he tweeted most of

his tweets are just him being like giving the most down the middle mainstream sports opinion possible but this was actually a good point he said collecting baseball cards in the 90s immunized at least some of us from nfts you spend five dollars at the card shop on a chuck knoblock on base leaders card because that's what beckett says then try to trade it and realize, oh shit, no kid in the entire neighborhood wants this at all. That's exactly right. That's so good. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people should go check out? Man, I found an old playlist that I had typed out in an email from when I was just, I found like an old playlist that like I had typed out like in an email from when I was just getting out of college. And there were some artists on there that I was like, oh my God, I haven't listened

to shit in years. And there's this one LA band called Moving Units that was like kind of one of these, they're kind of like a post-punk band. And I was at the time in in college not really listening to anything except hip-hop and then like you know a couple pitchfork articles later i'm listening to moving units and there's this one track called anyone that's just kind of got this good i don't know but i consider this gateway music if you only listen to hip-hop and need to broaden your horizons check out anyone by moving units uh because yeah this is a good track. So check it out.

I don't know, Miles. The only unit I listen to is G-Unit. Okay. Get out of here with that pitchfork bullshit. Hey, I mean, to be honest, G-Unit is in it if you just take out the M-O-V-I-N and then G-Unit. Yeah. Get the moving out of here. Get moving.

Time for G-Un here. Get moving. Time for G units. All right. Well, the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning. We're back this afternoon to tell you what's trending, and we'll talk to you all then. Bye. Bye. Bye. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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