The Daily Zeitgeist - Full Nazi, Scary Executive Order Fantasy Draft 01.22.25

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

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The thing I haven't sort of gotten a real answer to is like, where are all the cars going now? Because like, you know, it's traffic much worse on the BQE or is like, you know, for instance, the BQE is literally like, it can't take any more cars. Like if more cars come. Brooklyn Queer Expressway? Yes, that's what we call it. Well, once it passes into Bushwick, you call it that.

Your bullying is really on point, Polly. I'm advocating for queer people. There's a lot of queer people in Brooklyn. It's just so easy to- LA has a window now where it can talk shit about New York. No, where you can pretend that you're better than New York. But that window's going to close pretty soon. But you can get it in. I don't think. We can't even open our windows here. That's the lesson I've taken. Yeah, that's the lesson I've taken from the year so far.

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My name is Jack O'Brien, aka, Zeitgeist Got Trends. Internet Trends, my friends. Zeitgeist Got Trends, my only friends, the trends. That one, courtesy of Less Than Zero on the Discord discord less than zero written all cool and hackery that song By the doors, I don't know feels appropriate as hell right now Jim Morrison impersonation by the way. Yeah, anybody can do it. It turns out that guy couldn't sing for shit Drunk and Karaoke hack just do do this you can do Elvis too

Right. No Elvis had Elvis had pipes Okay, Elvis had pipes. He did. You can do Elvis. I'm just saying like you do that I can I can do I can do Elvis I can do Jim Morrison. I can do Springsteen You know the white guy, blood and rotation. Dream, blood and rotation. I'm thrilled to be joined in our second seat, our Miles seat, by a hilarious stand-up comedian, writer, Hi guys. Hey, hi. You got the gush. Hi. I wanted to go totally different than I normally do.

Just play a character for the entire episode. Why not? Welcome to Comedy Bing Bing. That's good too. We are thrilled to be joined, Pallavi, in our third seat by a podcaster extraordinaire. You know from this day in esoteric political history, he's also hosted 30 for 30 for ESPN, the FiveThirtyEight Politics podcast way back,

but that's where I first found out about him. So I'm always gonna bring it up. Way back when Trump was elected president. Way back when Trump had the red and black lumberjack and the hat to match. He's the lead producer on the puzzler. It's Jody Abergaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yeah, exactly. So perfect. So in executive orders, you know, 14 executive orders later. Exactly.

This will be way more than that. I think it's dependent on like Trump's attention span and signing his own name, which I feel like is long. He's like carpal tunnel. Like his hand is cramping up. Well, once the tariffs on Sharpie markers hit and you know, it'll slow down. Yeah. Jody, how are you doing?

You, uh, Paul V Jody, you guys picked it'll slow down. Yeah. Yeah. Jodi, how are you doing? You, uh, Paul V. Jodi, you guys picked a good one. Oh yeah. You landed a good one, uh, in terms of, you know, the news cycle, my overall level of comfort and ease, uh, it's going to be an interesting one. I appreciate you both being here. Jodi, we were talking about the old New York v. LA comparisons, both cities. The coastal elites go head to head.

The coastal elites are freaking out a little bit collectively right now. Main character syndrome for both cities. We're like, that's not an important city. We're an important city. I do love that right now New Yorkers can't say they hate us. Because LA people are like, we get so much hate. You'll be like, I'm from LA, and people will be like, I hate LA. And right now, while we're burning, people are like, you guys got heart.

Holly, can I tell you? I am a New Yorker and I hold this irrational, like New York is the greatest city in the world. I love New York. No, I do. I mean, obviously I do too. I think there are other great cities, but I kind of like, I really indulge in that. And over the last like four or five years, I've known a lot of people who've moved to LA. I have become kind of like enamored with LA.

I, and, um, but then- We're pretty cute. A couple of weeks ago, I decided just as the new year was starting, I was like, hating LA is bad. And I actually tweeted it. And I was like, the playing nice is over. He set the fires. He incited fires. It was the day before the fires broke out,

where I planted a flag. I was like, I'm going to talk shit about LA again. And then the fires broke out the very next day. And now we're in this window where... Even the climate scientists. And the fact, your bravery, that you've stuck with it every single day, tweeting something aggressive and mean about LA

ever since then- It's remarkable. Admirable. Yeah. They deserved it. I remember that one. I remember you tweeted, they deserved it. They deserved it.

I mean, I'm putting refund requests into GoFundMe's. Just lame emojis everywhere, you know? This one looks suspicious broadly across every GoFundMe report. I actually saw Jodie looting in evacuation zones. That's crazy. He's starting so that the right-wing comedians will have something to complain about. He's playing the role of a looter. If New York can't hate on LA, what do we have?

Exactly. Literally everything. Yeah, most everything else. Meanwhile, I've been over here talking. The one news story that gives me hope is the congestion pricing. And I'm just like, everyone in New York, I'm like, what's it like to be around the policy? It's like that meme, like this would be the world with it with, and then it's just like this futuristic Valhalla.

Yeah, that's exactly what lower Manhattan is like. A single law aimed at improving the lives of citizens with no clear corporate tie-in where it's like. You have to give us all of your credit card information. Watered down and delayed by months and months and months, but yes. We're going to find out they're killing kittens for it or something later. All right, Jodi, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about today.

Where to begin? We'll talk about just a quick rundown of Trump's executive orders that are getting pushback in courts and aren't getting pushbacks in courts. And then we do have to talk about the Elon Musk Nazi salute. Yeah, you don't have to put a question. You don't have to put a little question. Well, I don't know. The Anti-Defamation League seems to think it was just an awkward gesture. Well, they're anti-defamation of every kind.

Yeah, that's true. They don't want to be simply Elon Musk def real. They don't want the same Musk. There you go. Straight up intentional and aggressive Nazi salute. And we'll talk about why primates, including people, pee in groups, all of that, plenty more. But first, Jodie, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

Well, I, it's very, see, everything I say now will be cast in this New York versus out. It's very cold here in New York right now. And it snowed recently. It is like, yeah, I know it's very hard for me. I went sledding with my daughter. The blanket covering the city. Wow. Yeah. A hush. And there's no cars now because of congestion pricing. So you can just slush your way down the middle of the street. It's really wonderful. But I got thinking a lot about the real feel temperature,

because we're getting these forecasts now in New York where it's like, it's 30 degrees, but it feels like negative five. And I've basically come to the conclusion, why don't we just get the real feel? The real feel should be the real temperature. They're like, it's 40 degrees, but it feels like your mother kicked you in the teeth.

I mean, all I do with temperature is feel it. Like, I don't have any other things that I do with temperature. And so I started to just like go down a little rabbit hole of how that temperature gets calculated. And I couldn't really explain it to you, but it is kind of fascinating how the rise of real feel. And I know it's subjective. Is that just a guy standing in Central Park being like,

I don't know, uncomfortable? I'm like, yeah. It's like the smiley face is on a doctor's little range. Yeah, yeah. But I genuinely would like to propose that we make real feel the temperature feel the default temperature that we get. I mean, what's the point?

Every measurement though, it's like, we thought we could get rid of daylight savings that bitch is still on our ass. You know, we thought we could do like metric measurements that made sense. No, no, no, no. And then now it's like, what you're feeling isn't really how, it's like the weather people are gaslighting us. They're like, no, it doesn't actually, it's not actually what you think it is. Yeah.

We just need to get our, we just need to get the polling in and then we'll know what the temperature is outside. That is really interesting. I've also never heard it referred to so consistently as real feel. It feels like they, they're winning some branding war right now. Yeah. Because I've always called it like the feels like temperature or the wind chill factor, which is

not real. It sounds like there's more things than just wind chill. It's real. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I think humidity has something to do with it. You know, did you get enough sleep the night before? Like all those things kind of going to a wet cold is not something that I realize, you know, like a wet, like when the air is both humid and really cold, I didn't

realize how cold that could feel until I was in Ireland one winter and it like gets there, like they say it gets inside your clothes and you're like, Oh, you affable Irish people. Then you feel it and it's like, holy shit, it's inside everything I'm wearing right now. There is cold air on me. Just like the British. Yes. I did say that to make sure that they liked me over there.

Yeah. Yeah, Jodi, that sounds really uncomfortable over here. We're checking the air quality on airnow.gov. And a little feature that I want to shout out the airnow.gov people on is they've built in a little moment of suspense, a little storytelling into the app where you go there and you hit the like where I am. And then it starts at zero at like very clean air and then it like kind of boop boop boop boop boop. It needles up to the bad, it needles up to the bad air quality that you're at which there's a moment of suspense. How much asthma am I going to have today? Exactly. How bad is this air? How much mesothelioma is this air going to?

They're just trying to get you to stay on the app for a second longer. Yeah. Well, you know, that app was purchased by a private equity firm two weeks ago, and now they're just trying to extract as much wealth from it as possible. It's the same guy who tells them what it feels like in New York is like, you know, their focus group. So, can I ask you, I'm happy to not talk about what's going on in LA and talk about some of your things like Trump's executive orders.

But yes, it does is I've heard over and over from folks in LA like the kind of all the that muscle memory of deep COVID is kind of back and like the masks, the isolation, the sort of like, just sort of hyper weird reality. Is it is that right? I mean, I think it's like reverse. Yeah, you go. Yeah, you were about to say it's like reverse COVID where you wear your masks outside and take them off inside. Yeah. We were thinking that too. I think it really depends because there are some parts

of the city where people are just acting totally normal because it's such a big city. And also I think people are still tired from taking all those precautions in COVID. But in my mind, I'm people are still tired from taking all those precautions in COVID. But in my mind, I'm going a little COVID crazy. I'm like, when do, like, what about my dogs? Like I can't mask them.

Like what do, like, what's the air quality like? I went to a kid's birthday party yesterday and everybody was unmasked. And me and my boyfriend were masked because we were like, what, the air quality, it says it's not great. But also, is that just what LA normally is? So like all those sort of weird borderline choices are back. Exactly. That sort of social texture is weird.

But then also I feel like it's not as isolated because people are able to be around each other and like help each other. There's a lot of mutual aid going on. There's still shows going on to like raise money and stuff. So it is different. Yeah. The thing you're afraid of is not other people. It's the air. So that's kind of the-

The paranoia is like, when do I unpack my stuff? Because like I unpacked my stuff and then it was like, the winds are coming back and the fire weather is back. And then you're like, ah, fuck, am I gonna catch it, the fire? Like, you know, so there's that for sure. Our important documents now live in a bag by the door. And that's just gonna be what it is.

You have a GoTub? I have a GoTub. It's GoTub. All right, Jody, what is something that you think is underrated? Well, my underrated it relates to something I've been noodling with lately and I'm curious This electric guitar My underrated is is is drinking uh-huh. So I've been thinking that be related to the cold

So I've been thinking- Could that be related to the cold? No, it's related a little to, it could be related to the cold. It's related a little to dry January going on all around. And then, you know, the Surgeon General recently issued that the sort of warnings on alcohol and basically said like, no drinking is good for you and, or any drinking is bad for you. And then just in general, this, you know, these kinds of stats and just this cultural thing that we all see of like drinking has diminished considerably, especially among young people.

And I've been thinking over the last couple of weeks about that trend. And on the one hand, I like, you know, I've cut back my drinking a fair amount. And I think like drinking is pretty harmful, but I've cut back my drinking a fair amount, and I think drinking is pretty harmful, but I've also been thinking that maybe that the decline in drinking might be a symptom of, or a symbol of the, people call it the loneliness epidemic. But I really feel like there's a chance

that young people aren't not drinking because they're making healthy choices, but because they're at home on screens alone. And I think that is like... Vaping. Vaping by themselves. And so, I don't know, it's just been this interesting kind of thing I've been trying to puzzle through because there's part of me that's like, yeah, drinking is really harmful,

but then there's part of me that's like, yeah, we need to go out and grab a couple drinks with friends. We need more of that. We are very isolated from one another. So I'm just, you know, I would also say, like, there should be more options. I think things being open longer should mean more like should have more options, like juice bars and coffee places. Like people were talking about how they we need more 24 hour like coffee places or whatever, like where people can go hang out and just chat and have things be open. I think drinking is sanctioned at night,

and so those places stay open. But I think if we just had more, what is it called? Like third spaces. Yeah, even, I think a lot of people do stuff in like parks and things, but they're not always in the best situations or available or whatever. So I get what you're saying about the loneliness thing. And people were talking about how we don't have enough house parties,

and then we were like, we don't own houses. What are we supposed to do? Yeah. Man, nine years ago, I would have agreed with you so hard on this one, but I- We should drink more. Too hard, in fact, and now I don't drink anymore. But yeah, I agree that I think it's good to have a place, something that gets us out. I think social isolation is a major problem.

And it sounds like America's top doctor, the Surgeon General, caught the woke mind virus and needs to be stopped with that. That's exactly what I'm saying. I do just want to say, like this is- Too bad we can't be vaccinated against the woke mind virus. Oh my God. I mean, listen, I've got a couple of podcasts I'm going to recommend for you that kind of function as a vaccine. By the way, who's Joe Rogan? No, I'm kidding.

Okay. I will say, I don't think there could be a more New York take that is anti-LA than this. And you talked to LA people and were like, yeah, man, if I hadn't gotten off it nine years ago and switched over to meditation, I would agree with you. I suggested juice bars. Juice bars.

Pauline did suggest juice bars. I was like, have you tried the Healy Beaver smoothie at Arowanda? That's right. That's right. Jody, what's something you think's overrated? Gosh, overrated. Well, my overrated was actually weather forecast. I'm just so hung up on this.

That's going to be my answer. Totally fair. Yeah. And just in general, all of this stuff is, weather forecast, smoke forecast, all this stuff is, mostly just winds us up. And you just gotta step outside to find out what it actually feels like, what it real feels like.

What it real feels like. Listen to, do your own research is what Joey says to you. Do your own research. To all of the LA people, do your own research and decide when to leave based on how close you smell the fire. That's right. That's what Joey's saying.

That's precisely what I'm saying. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll get through some executive orders, talk about Elon Musk's Nazi salute. We'll do it all in a moment. We'll be right back. I will not do the Nazi salute in a moment, Jack.

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But you know, this is what was promised by project 2025 that we, we knew it was coming and yet here it is. The straight agenda. That's right. Some of the things that he's done are illegal or at the least are going to face legal pushback. 18 states are suing to stop the birthright citizenship order. He's trying to overturn birthright citizenship for people born in the

United States, you're not necessarily a citizen if he doesn't want you to be. Okay. But also I'm like crying that it was only 18 states. Yeah. born in the United States. You're not necessarily a citizen if he doesn't want you to be. Okay. But also I'm like crying that it was only 18 states. Yeah. So far. Yeah.

But yeah, again, we knew that this was coming for a while. And that's in the Constitution. So, you know, it's a little hard to undo the Constitution. We'll see. Right. He is just saying no more Constitution. There's no evidence on pushbacks on some of the more striking actions. Like pardoning all the January 6th rioters for some reason just keeps coming,

coming back to me as being like real troubling. Are you guys doing the same thing I'm doing, which is like keeping the sort of leaderboard in your head of which is most dispiriting and it just keeps shuffling. Like you're watching like trains at a match. I have officially as of yesterday become apolitical. I've decided not to think about anything anymore and I'm a lot happier. That's so smart. I love that. I'm just like so not into politics anymore. I don't know what's going on. Oh my god have you tried the Hailey Bieber smoothie? Oh my god I love the Hailey Bieber smoothie. It goes really well with choosing to be apolitical. And not thinking at all.

Yeah, what's everybody's leaderboard for most troubling, you know, birthright citizenship number one with a bullet for me seems like that's going to be really bad and immediately actionable in a way that includes violence and destroying families. For some reason, the January 6th rioters, all of them being pardoned at the same time, when you look at some of the deep dives into the culture that was growing in those prisons and around those prisoners, and when you look at what far right extremism has done over the course of the history of this country, that one seems like significant to me, and not just as like a own,

but like as like a, you know, strategically, they're going to do something, they're going to do bad things. So on that point, so I was surprised, I gotta be honest, I was surprised that it was a blanket pardon for all 1500. I mean, I was, that went further than even I expected. But, like, how many times have we heard stories from Iraq or Syria where they're like, why is this extremist group all of a sudden?

Why was there this coup or why was this violence? It's like, oh, a hundred prisoners got released, right? All these radicals were in prison and the prison got broken out or collapsed or whatever. Like this is literally, you know, what happens. Like to your point, I mean, I'm just realizing in real time, it's like these groups of people are now longer in prison. And then lo and behold, a month later, you have this kind of political violence. So that one, you know, they've gotten ripped in prison.

So we're even in more trouble coming up. They've been warming up their pipes. They have that singing performance on that one song. Working out and doing choir. Yeah. I got to say my leaderboard, I mean, the J6 stuff is just really just sort of awful. I, the pulling out of the WHO to me is just like such a clear, I think, like own goal, you know? I mean, I get the like performative own the libs politics of it, but I just feel like there's going to be another pandemic.

Probably on Trump's watch, it's going to deeply harm him. Like that there was no one who was just kind of seeing that is remarkable. But I guess what do you expect? I'm very concerned about like the health related stuff given my background and everything, so that's something that is that background again, Paul V. Cause I've stopped including it when I, you don't need to include it. It is worth noting. What is that background?

PhD dropout. That's what I am. I'm a biomedical engineer. Oh, biomedical engineering. But it's fine. Listen, I need a job. And this stuff's all going to be fun, right? I'm very concerned.

I'm very concerned about it. Would you have been at the lab engineering the next COVID? Had you stayed in that PhD? No, I'm not even kidding. The job that I had before my PhD was in infectious diseases. We were working on a non-active Ebola virus control to like test to make sure people didn't have it. Cause at the time that was happening.

And then my friends who stayed at that job were working on COVID stuff. So like, yeah, I would have been involved in that if I had stayed at that job, like for several more years. So but that's like I worked with infectious diseases. I know. I should have married, I should have married Hunter, you know, getting gotten a pipe, pardon. It's not the first time that we've suggested that for you on this show.

Yeah. Yeah. You would have been out there just trying to make sure that we didn't know the truth about Ivermectin. Yeah. Those feel like the top three to me, but I'm happy to be overruled. Listeners reach out with your faves, you know, let's treat it like song recommendations. What are the exact borders?

Please send us your panic attacks. But you know, the legal battles is where the action will be over the next couple of months. And there have been some legal pushback. And I think, you know, think about this day four years ago or eight years ago, right? I mean, you know, we were all out there wearing our pussy hats and, you know, marching in Washington. And that's not happening now. There isn't that mass mobilization. But I think there is the legal front is still there. hats and marching in Washington. And that's not happening now. There isn't that mass mobilization. But I think there is the, the, the legal front is still there. And I mean, I, I remember eight years ago, the moment to me that most stuck out from

the early Trump years, uh, the early Trump days was when there was a night at JFK. Where right after the Muslim ban went into effect, a bunch of immigration lawyers went to JFK and sort of stood on the ground and aided immigrants coming into the country. And it was like, to me, that was the moment where I was like, okay, I see the sort of contours of the, the quote unquote resistance. And I was like, you know, lawyers are going to save us.

And I still think that that is out there. I don't think we're going to see another mass millions of people in the streets, but I do think we are still are going to see moments like that. So it'll be interesting to see if the Supreme Court can keep up with his corruption. You know, it seems like they want to let him do whatever he wants, but like he's just, he's moving so fast in so many different directions. Well, that was the strategy. Being like, what do we make the law so he can get away with the maximum amount of bullshit? I do think like in the last eight years, there have been like a lot of people, like you said, Jodi, who are now lawyers or policymakers who weren't in those positions before. Like I know a lot of like scientists who went into like legislation or policy or like politics when they weren't originally going to because of him.

So like hopefully that's had... And someone into comedy, right? Yeah, some of us did a favor to science by leaving it. And you're welcome. But yeah, so I think like that pivot and that incubation period has happened, and hopefully we'll see that behind the scenes more. Yeah. All right. So I think the other most striking thing from the first couple of days of the Trump administration was Elon Musk among the most powerful people in the history of the planet.

He's going to have a major role in the Trump administration. He's been doing all sorts of far right sympathizing and just influencing around the globe. And he gave a speech after Trump was sworn in that included giving a full on Nazi salute. Like when I heard this, I was like, well, we've seen people give kind of Nazi salutes before and then they're able to, it just like kind of-

Fades away. Fades away, they're able to be like, I wasn't really- Yeah, like I've seen someone raise their arm at an angle before. Yeah, yeah. But this is pretty unambiguous. We we're gonna for the people watching on video will Will show it here. This is from a New Republic article called Did Elon Musk just do give a Nazi seriously just give a Nazi salute. Yeah. Yeah

Actually said that elections they come and go some some elections are you know? Important some or not, But but this one, this one, this one really matters. And I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you. OK. He OK. So for people who are just listening, he hits his chest. He like bites his bottom lip like he's about to, you know, do a push-up or, you know, lift a weight.

Have another child. Have another child. Then smacks his left chest and then gives such a hard Nazi salute that he audibly goes, uh, like as he's, as he's doing. Like a tennis dude. And he does it multiple times. And then turns around and does it again. Yeah, turns around and does it again.

And if you play them side by side, it shows like you can play with Nazi protestors or marches and him, it's like the exact same movement. It's crazy. Like he's been studying. They synced it up, yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, I'm sure we all felt some of this. One of them of them is to me like I think a lot of the conversation around this has Been like well, there's a line there, you know, there's a very reasonable line. Don't give a Nazi Salute and he crossed that line to me though. The line is not don't give a Nazi salute Maybe though is it unreasonable to think the line should be don't give something that could potentially be interpreted as a Nazi salute I mean the line should actually be a little further back. Further back. Well, fully supporting. To me, that's the lapse of, I think he intentionally gave that salute. He knew what he was doing,

but even the lapse of judgment of not being able to recognize that this might be misinterpreted is just as bad as anything. Yeah. Yeah. It's so just so this is not a one-off. So this is from the New Republic article. Just one month ago, Musk came out in full support for the far-right Alternative for Germany party, which has been accused of neo-Nazi sympathies.

Less than two weeks ago, Musk hosted AFD leader Alice Weidel in a live stream on X where the pair dismissed Adolf Hitler as a communist. Musk has also voiced his support for British neo-Nazi Tommy Robinson in an attempt to influence politics in that country. All these would seem to suggest, I don't know, that despite earlier denials, Musk does seem to harbor actual Nazi sympathies. And then he did that on the biggest possible scale. At a time when people are like, this guy has way too much power in this administration, in the world, and immediately after the president is sworn in, which I don't know.

I feel like Trump and Elon Musk over the past eight years have sort of been 1A, 1B in controlling the news cycle and having all eyes on them. And there's definitely a, yes, my precious energy to that where they need that shit. And I do wonder if this was him knowing, I got to go big here because everybody's going to be talking about Trump and all these executive orders. So I need to do the most Nazi thing to get all the eyeballs. So just a theory on what's going on with him. Meanwhile, Grimes is like defending his video game playing abilities. What the fuck was that about?

She was like, the father of my child actually is a gamer. And then later, Elon Musk was like, yeah, I use people to whatever, you know? And I can't believe I ever listened to her music. She was so she was so great when she first came out. You have to separate the art from the from the Nazi ex-wife or ex-partner. What the fuck was that about exactly it was that he was Was like ranked top seven, which is like you cannot like those people if they're playing on their own They cannot like spend any amount of time away from they're playing for like 18 hours a day

Like to get that ranking because it's so incredibly hard, especially on that specific video game, from what I've heard. And then when he went in and live streamed him playing, there were sections that were like, Elon's Maps, and like, why would you name your own maps, Elon's Maps, unless somebody was logging into your account and playing for you, and they're not even called that.

He didn't understand how to use them. So people were like, like he he wants the approval of like gamer in cell, like all of the like all of these different groups that he thinks are cool. And so some of them were like infighting against him, like gamers that he pays attention to on Twitter and all these other things. Like they were like like, oh, he's, like, Asmongold is one of the Twitch streamers who has, like, kind of right-wing ideas and was also, like, rebelling against him. So it was this whole thing, like, a gamer in-fighting right-wing thing where people were like, you're fucking loser, dude.

And then Grimes defended him. And then he was like, oh no, yeah, I do use some people to up my scores. He's like using other people's labor to make himself look better, basically. That doesn't sound like Elon Musk. I'm not sure if I can believe this. I'm staying with Grimes, using other people's labor

to make himself look more brilliant. Yeah. Can I float a theory to you or a question to you? Yes, please. That actually relates to, I think, the video game thing and the Nazi salute and what we saw on Monday in Washington. But this window, one thing I've been thinking about is, I wonder if the window between the election and this week

was the kind of pinnacle, the peak of kind of the proto-fascist tech elite having cultural cachet. And like that was the window in which Elon could feel that he was the coolest person in the world. And I wonder, I genuinely wonder, you know, this isn't just hopeful, whether like we just saw the peak of that. And that maybe the Nazi salute was going a little too far or that maybe now that there's actually going to be some sort of policy and some sort of implementation of that stuff.

And I think it applies to Trump too, that like what Trump really wanted out of the presidency, he got on Monday. He wanted to be there signing a bunch of stuff, acting like a king, getting a lot of adulation. And now it's just downslope from here. And so, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm kind of wonderful to look back and say, you know what, that was the, they touched the hot stove, they flew too close to the sun up until this past Monday.

I mean, I would hope so, but I feel like they were almost like more industrious during his four years than like Biden's administration was in like achieving their so-called agenda points. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't like it. I mean, it was chaotic, but I feel like that was part of their intention. So I would hope it's the peak, but I think we should prepare for it not being. Yeah. And I'm mostly talking from like a cultural sense and obviously all sorts of policy ramifications, people will be in genuine harm, but you know, these, these worlds are, are very connected, you know? I was trying to like talk about this and failing yesterday. I'm having a hard time getting my head around this cultural moment because yeah,

I would like for that to be the case that everybody sees that and like, this is the worst things get, but there also feels like there's just this America loves a winner type thing. And that there's also this America has a mind boggling blind spot for how influential wealth is and capital is in this country. And now that all the capital seems to be getting in line with this vision, I feel like we're in a really dangerous place where like, I don't know who applies the breaks at this point to this. And the media environment is so broken that like, yeah, there may be people who will just never see Elon Musk give that salute. Right. Even people who

would think he's a cool guy, but then would see that and be like, whoa, what are you up to? They will just literally never see it. Yeah. And that I think I don't know how. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Listen to Building One on the i powerful person in the world giving openly giving a Nazi salute for if you'll indulge us for another few minutes here for some reason this seems important. So maybe one of the most eyebrow raising defenses of his salute came from the Anti-Defamation League, who tweeted that it was merely an quote awkward gesture and we should all cut him some slack during this quote delicate moment, which I think seemed to shock a lot of people that the ADL was defending a literal Nazi salute. There seemed to be, I don't know, their reputation is pretty significantly out of line with what their actual work has been

forever, but especially in recent years. We've mentioned before that it was founded to defend Israel, not really fight bigotry. And the fact that they run a program that sends U.S. cops to train in Israel should probably tell you something. That's something that we've covered before. A delegation of top American law enforcement officers is in Israel. This is from a intercept article, is in Israel for the ADL's National Counterterrorism Sem seminar, which includes training on topics such as leadership in a time of terror and balancing the fight against crime

and terrorism. So yeah, the current executive director recently compared the CAFIA to the Swastika, has repeatedly aligned the organization with the Trump administration and refused to call out the Trump administration's blatant hate speech. I will say one group that is calling it a Nazi saluter does seem to be like, hmm, that looked like that. That's what we thought it was, right? Our actual Nazis, Christopher Polhouse, the leader of the notorious neo-Nazi

group, Blood Tribe posted the clip of his salute on Telegram with a lightning-bolt emoji in the caption, I don't care if this was a mistake, I'm going to enjoy the tears over it. So that seems like he might be like, I don't know, did he mean to? Who knows? Another neo-Nazi leader, Christopher Hood, who founded the New England race separatist movement, NSC 131, one of the less popular CBS crime dramas, also posted the clip to Telegram with the emoji exclamation point question mark and smiley face.

There's, yeah, there's a bunch of it. One of them shared the clip with the caption, incredible things are happening already. LMAO and Okay, he's race separatist. No one wants to hang out with you. Anyways, okay Nobody is trying to mingle with you in a fucking happy hour, right? So don't worry about it Yeah, another self-described ethno nationalist and anti-semite shared the clip in a post writing Okay, maybe woke really is dead guys. Am I right?

We got one. We got one. Yeah. No, there's anti-woke and then there's that. But wait, with the ADL, is it coherent to their politics to not call this out or is it bootlicking? Is it sucking up to power and wealth?

I think it's both. Yeah. Because they're going wherever Israel is propped up. And so I think like given the relationship between Trump and Netanyahu and like what Trump has said or intends to do, I think that aligns with their goals. And then I also think, yeah, everybody is falling in line right now. Yeah, it seems to be kind of in line with they, if they are not really against defamation as much

as, you know, involved in a political cause, they are like a lot, you They are like TikTok and other organizations that are all just trying to... Donald Trump is a fairly simple instrument to operate where you just say that you agree with him and flatter him and just display loyalty. He's like a... And wire a couple of mil into the bank account. Yeah, exactly. Buy a bunch of his meme coins so that he becomes even richer. I don't know if this means anything, but I checked the Fox News website and the only mention of Musk's salute on that site was a write-up of AOC pushing back on the ADL and saying, you know, like, what are we doing here, folks? This was clear. We all know what this was. Like, how can you possibly call for understanding in this moment? Which to me, you know, I don't know. It's interesting to me that that's the one thing

that got attention. And I think it shows like, huh, maybe like actually taking a stand gets people's attention. And like the language of the right has been that for the last eight, 10 years. And AOC knows how to play that game. And I don't know, maybe I'm over reading it, but the only mention on Fox news was in this moment where someone actually like clapped back. Yeah. Do you think though that they're, well, I'm not sure. I don't know the language of the article you're talking about.

Do you think that they're like putting her out there as chum so that people get distracted because she's so incendiary to the right? A little bit, though. I, I, yeah, I mean, sure. Yeah. I think ALC is going to get attention no matter what, but like, that's the game we're playing here, right? Yeah.

I don't think ALC cares if she's all over Fox news and people are talking shit about it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like sometimes I just feel like they use people that like, that are almost like trigger words to the right. Just to distract from the actual. What like her putting her as a shield in front of Musk, kind of like look at her saying this stuff about the ADL rather than her that points are valid.

No, it's certainly like a third order story, right? It's not covering the actual thing. It's like refracted through this now spat, but yeah. Yeah. Just a couple more quotes from people weighing in here. The Proud Boy Ohio chapter posted to a clip of the Mucks video to Telegram with the text, hail Trump. They just got worse as they went.

How many pages of Nazi quotes do you have in your Google doc right now? Just the ones he got in his email. Yeah. I'm just scrolling through my inbox here I fucking hate that there's like proud boys chapter, Ohio First of all, Ohio isn't real and we all know that and second of all That's a Twitter thing everybody jokes about Ohio not being real but second of, why do they, I hate that they're so organized. I hate that they have such structure.

They have a secretary taking notes on how many times they say slurs. Right. All right. Should we talk about primates peeing in groups? Would that be a good palate cleanser? Yes, this one's for the girlies because we love going to the bathroom together. This is for the ladies, a little something for the ladies, right? Yes. Yeah, since time immemorial, men have been wondering this question.

Why do they keep getting up and trying to get away from us? To talk shit about you, dude, to see if we need protection. Everything cool here? Hey, that guy wasn't weird, was he? All right. So scientists at Kyoto University recently discovered that peeing is seemingly contagious amongst chimpanzees. They watched 600 hours of footage of captive chimps at the Kumamoto sanctuary, which captured

more than 1,328 urination events. That's what I call it every time I have a slurpee. That's right. Do slurpees make you pay? I don't know. Okay. I just was trying to think of some big drink. Big drink, big old slurpee.

Big old drink. They, uh, they found that when one ship decided to pee, others would often follow suit, which is not unlike humans. Our decision to urinate is influenced by social context that lead us to urinate simultaneously with others. This is usually something that we talk about with the context of sneezing. Like the-

Or yawning, right? Yawning is the one, yes. That'd be crazy if it was sneezing. Sneezing. I'm like, Oh, good idea. Sneezing. No, in the context of yawning, that like, yawns are contagious. And even though they feel like a thing that our body is forcing us to do, it's

like, no, it's, it's our brain. Uh, we're just, we're silly. We will just do whatever everybody else is doing. But yeah, like with going to the bathroom, it does feel so like if you're at the end of a long road trip and like suddenly you get to your front door and you're like, wow, I really had to pee that whole time. But like somehow your brain, you're like super ego, like all of your, uh, you know, conscious consciousness scaffolding has like kept that reality suppressed

from you. So I'm not shocked that we're learning that this is like highly contagious and socially defined. But it's like, that's like, when toddlers are in emergency situations, they fall asleep, like it's an evolutionary thing for them them to fall asleep just to be quiet, to help their families or whatever. My toddler never learned that one. No.

You're trying to recreate emergencies just to get a break. You're like, oh no, a robber. My toddler, now six-year-old, but he was evolutionarily designed to create new emergencies. Yeah. When an emergency... That's fair. My daughter, when she was like three, four, would develop this thing where she would talk about

if she needed to pee, and I was like, oh, like we really can't, like right now, you know, that would be very inconvenient. She'll go, she goes, okay, I'll just do the trick. And I'm like, and for a while I was like, great, okay, you're doing the trick. And then after a while I was like, wait a minute, what's the trick? She's just like, I just decided I don't need to pee anymore. I was like, my God.

I mean, the mind over matter is incredible. But yeah, she's just, she just developed her own trick where she just doesn't need to go to the bathroom anymore. Which made me question, which made me question whether she ever really needed to go to the bathroom. And then I think that gets into this sort of sociological element to this, which is she likes a trip to the bathroom or whatever. Jodi, believe little women, okay? Believe little women. But they say they have a trick to just not have to be anymore.

This one trick that doctors don't want you to know. Life hack. Make it so you never have to go to the bathroom again. Just do it. It's the Nike logo. I do like to sometimes take a little stroll to the bathroom, even if I don't have to go too bad. I like to see what the bathroom of a given restaurant is. Oh, 100%.

I love that. Do they have that candle? Stretch the legs. Oh, when they have great lighting. Yeah. But then they have one of those weird sinks that doesn't really have a basin. Have you ever seen those? Those are starting to be a thing. Oh, yeah.

Like the Kim Kardashian, Kanye, did you ever see the pictures of the inside of their kitchen where it's like a faucet on a countertop and then like a little line? And the water runs off into it? Yeah. I will say like going to the bathroom, I was like kind of joking earlier,

but it also is like a really great place to check in with women. I've made so many friendships in bathrooms that have been like blasting honestly some of the first When I wasn't in stand-up I went to sketch fest with my boyfriend at the time who was doing improv and I met So many stand-ups so many female stand-ups and we were just like lounging in this nice-ass Bathroom and we were bonding and I kept in touch with them and like ask them stand up advice and everything like later on. But it really like I think it really is for women like a great check in and a place of like comfort and like support for each

other. It's beautiful. Wait, take us take us inside this because Jack will do that but I won't I won't go I won't just go partying in to check it out. Yeah, yeah, Jack's always going into women's restaurants. I'm always going to check in with women at the restroom. Yeah. Does the chit chat and the bonding happen as you're walking in? Everywhere. And does it contain you as you're peeing? Are you even peeing?

It just depends. Has it happened afterwards? Often there are lines, which that's an issue. Women's bathrooms lines are longer. Yeah, which we should have more stalls. We should figure it out. Whatever. Non-binary bathrooms we should have more stalls. We should figure it out. Whatever non-binary bathrooms. Not in this America. Yeah.

But we sometimes we'll make we'll chit chat in the line. And then sometimes sometimes it happens in the stall. Like if you run out of toilet paper, if you need a tampon, if like some, you know, sometimes you're there with friends and then somebody else hears and makes a joke or something or like at the sink. It's just, it's, it's just a beautiful place for, for camaraderie, you know? It's, it's, I just love it. I'm like, men need more of this. That's the, put all the men who are in the loneliness epidemic in a bathroom

together in a nice bathroom. Yeah. Peeing alone. That's the next book. Yeah. Don't you guys all just pee in a trough? Isn't that? That used to be the way back when men were met.

No. Yeah. I've been to like really old sporting event venues like Fenway Park and the Kentucky Derby, like infield are the places I've been where everybody's just standing around a single trough peeing into it and just, yeah, mostly pretty drunk. So it's, everyone's cool with it. Yeah. Can we go back to the study for a second? Because this one line you read where the scientists at Kyoto University watched 600 hours of footage of captive chimps and captured quote,

more than 1,328 urination events. Yeah. Probably as a former scientist. Is this a good use of their time? Yeah, I used to watch like rats touch things. I used to have to go through hours of recordings of rats like touching different objects in a circular maze or whatever.

So like you do have to like sit there and like time it and record it and whatever. But especially I'm assuming with chimps, there's so many like I hate behavioral studies. I hate them so much because it feels like so imprecise because they could be they could be influenced by so many things. Like there was a study that came out that you found out that like male, male researchers affected the behavior of mice differently than female researchers. So it's like people who were involved in the same experiment and were doing it in the same way could still influence the behavior of these animals. The Heisenberg principle. Yeah.

Yeah. We're going to find out the male influence was just picking the mice up and moving them around with their hands, trying to click them. Yeah, trying to teach them how to dap. So it's super informative because that's what you can do to watch behaviors of animals. You just have to watch a bunch of footage and record it, and it's strict of a measurement as you can, but- This is like the sort of thing when we just,

we always bring up like when AI is used in a way that is like, guys, not this. Like we don't need a worse Coke commercial that's just a smoothie made of every previous Coke commercial. This would be like scroll through the 600 hours to find the urination events. That's great. That is AI.

That's something that I don't mind if a person is not doing. Yeah, there is a lot of that of like trying to automate some of these like image processing or video processing things. Like that's something that like I even like worked on at the in one of my rotations or whatever at my PhD. But it's still, sometimes there's a qualitative things too, that they want to observe. And it depends on how the tech is.

Champ peeing or not. I mean, that's a difficult AI task. Yeah. Yeah. You have to, you have to. And like the duration and yeah. Wait, is it this actually a storyline in that show Silicon Valley where they design an app to see penises and porn and then, or for hot dogs.

And then it actually is able to identify penises and porn. I know there's some great, it's a great storyline. That show continues to be the most pressure show there is. Um, but it's literally, I was in the Bay when that was happening and tech people were like, that is us. I'm like, Oh no, shouldn't us. We do have concerts. I'm like, oh no. It really shouldn't be. All right. Well, Jodi, it's been a pleasure having you on the show.

Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Well, look, I host this political history show called This Day in Esoteric Political History from Radio Topia. We're trying to actually do more conversations about what we're going through right now through a historical lens. And I'm just kind of really happy with those conversations. The listeners have really enjoyed those.

So, um, you know, if you want to hear about weird historical moments, but then also kind of need a little help processing what we're going through. And is this unprecedented? Um, I hosted with two actual historians. It's really a fun show. So I would encourage people to go check that out. And then one other silly thing that I'm doing, but I've been enjoying is, um, every week I get a New Yorker in the mail and the New Yorker cover has a title.

I don't know if you knew this, but every New Yorker cover has a title. Um, and so I've always played a game for myself where I try and guess the title. And then I go flip open and see what the actual title is and see how close I am, whether I like mine better or like theirs better. I'm doing that on my Instagram page now every week. So that is my hit new series where I guess, try and guess the title of that week's New Yorker. So how's it going?

How close are you? It's going great. So far, it's been two weeks into the year and I've had one where I liked my title better, one where I liked their title better. Which was because there was the Elon Musk getting sworn in. The Elon Musk one I liked their title better. With Trump out of focus. Yeah.

Okay. Got it. That's on my Instagram page. All right. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Is that the work of media that you've been enjoying? Well, I guess that is the work of media. But no, the day we're recording this, Garth Hudson from the band died today, the last remaining member of the band.

And I watched a really wonderful, God, I wish I could recall the name of the person who did it. But if you Google Garth Hudson, or if you go to YouTube and search for Garth Hudson, one of the first things that come up was just a kind of really lovely tribute to him and his contributions to the band and his sort of genuine Weirdness and avant-garde-ness and so I'm taking a moment to kind of enjoy his work in the band and all of that. Great Pallavi Wonderful having you where can people find you and is there work in media you've been enjoying? Hi Thank you. I am so out of it. Oh, hi. Hi. Oh, my God. Hi.

She just, you know, I just. You faulted. Hi. The brain was like, you are on a podcast. What do you say? I was looking up. I was looking up Garth Hudson. He lived to be 87. OK. That's beautiful. There was also an English footballer named Garth Hudson, he lived to be 87. Okay, that's beautiful. There was also an English footballer named Garth Hudson.

Okay, I am gonna be at SketchFest on Saturday and I'm gonna be on comedian clash with Jackie Sneal, friend of the pod. And I'm also co-producing facial recognition comedy at the Lost Church that night. Tickets are going fast. Please buy them. Please tell your friends to buy them. I am trying to find a work of media because I fully did not prepare for this.

I'm on Blue Sky a lot more, but I'm noticing people are going in between it and Twitter a lot. Have you noticed you've been losing a lot of Twitter followers because of Elon? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have too. Because I think a lot of Twitter followers because of Elon? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have too. And because I think a lot of people are quitting Twitter. That's true.

Yeah. Okay. There is a tweet from Dexerto, and it says, Chappellrone says she doesn't play first-person mode on Fortnite because she wants to see her Ariana Grande skin, which I thought was cute, because she wants to see her Ariana Grande skin, which I thought was cute because there are pop girlies and they're all we have right now. I'm going to pretend like I understand all the references. Really? You don't know that?

You can wear a person's skin as a character. If you're not in first-person mode. I don't know why I know gamer stuff now. I think I've been too online. That was fourth on the list of references that Jack didn't get, by the way. Yeah, yeah. No, I know what a skin is, and I'm assuming there is an Ariana Grande one. I don't know what ties it all together. Does Chapel Run have- It's her as white.

Oh, got it, got it, got it. Okay. She's playing her white character, Ariana Grande. No, Chapel Run just plays Fortnite, and she doesn't want to do first person mode because she likes viewing herself as Ariana Grande, which made me happy. Okay. Got it. They like to play each other. All these pop girlies are getting along.

There was a time when they weren't. They're not making fun of each other. That is nice. All right. Got it. Let's see. I just wanted to give a little further detail on something that Pallavi mentioned earlier. Grimes tweeted over the weekend, just for my personal pride, I would like to state that the father of my children was the first American druid in Diablo Diablo to clear Abattoir or

Xer and ended that season as best in the USA. He was also ranking in Polytopia and beat Felix himself at the game. I did observe these things with my own eyes. There are other witnesses who can verify this. That is all. And- And that relates to her personal pride, how?

Yes, Pokeypup on Twitter tweeted, for your personal pride, girl, this is so embarrassing. Thank you. Yeah. And you can go to the episode wherever you're listening to this, check out the description and you can find the footnotes on the website. And you can also find the footnotes on the website, and you can also find the footnotes on the website. And you can also find the footnotes on the website, and you canist.com. You can go to the episode, wherever you're listening to this, check out the description and you can find the footnotes, which is where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode.

We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Super producer Justin, Miles will be back, by the way, in the not too distant future. This is like an Avengers movie, Miles will be back by the way in the not too distant future. But- This is like an Avengers movie. Miles will return. Miles will return, still sending a lot of good energy to him and his family. I was texting with him this morning.

He's still very funny, which I don't know how he is still so funny at a time like this. Honestly, pretty fucked up. You know what I mean? Kind of a pretty fucked up. You know what I mean? But with miles out we like to turn to super producer Justin to Recommend a song that he thinks people might enjoy super producer Justin Connor Is there a song do you think people might enjoy? Yeah, I wanted to attempt to lift your spirits after a rough news cycle today by recommending this amazing song. It's called It's Not Easy by a band named Ofege. And they were a group of high school students.

Mount Rushmore songs. Yeah, yeah. They're a group of high school students like age 15 to 17, which is really hard to believe after you hear the song. They were recording back in the 70s during the much overlooked psych rock movement in Lagos, Nigeria, and it's got this nostalgic, fuzzy, peace loving, open hearted feeling to it. This is by far the most popular and accessible song. I don't even know if people listen to the songs I recommend on here half the time, But I highly suggest checking out their whole catalog because it's impossible not to love and there's something very special about this song Specifically so that again is it's not easy by Ophegé and you can find that song in the footnotes. Wait, I have a question Do you guys have a tbz Spotify playlist of all the songs you've recommended. I don't think so really there. Um, I there was

Yeah, I thought there was at one point there was at one point I don't know if it's being kept up right now or not New work Yes, thank you I appreciate You can call one of your discord people into doing that. Yeah, I'm sure someone's right on it somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.

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