The Daily Zeitgeist - Georgia Runoff Scam, AI Portrait Artist Is a Pervert 12.07.22

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

In episode 1386, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist and host of A Tradition of Violence, Cerise Castle, to discuss… Georgia Run-Off is Full of Self Owns and Grifting…, The State of Policing and Human Caging In This Country, That AI Selfie Art App Is Also Pretty Creepy and more! Georgia Run-Off is Full of Self Owns and Grifting… Mike Lee, Burgess Owens are raising money for Herschel Walker’s Senate campaign — and keeping half of the cash Plan Tests Tense Relationship Between N.Y.P.D. and Mentally Ill People 70-year-old dies at Harris County Jail; 2022 now has highest number of in-custody deaths in past decade ‘Catfishing’ Virginia cop who killed California family was detained in 2016 after violent threats “Are You Prepared to Kill Somebody?” A Day With One of America’s Most Popular Police Trainers That AI Selfie Art App Is Also Pretty Creepy Lensa AI app: What to know about the self portrait generator The creative thief: AI tools creating generated art Thief Steals Genshin Impact Fan Art Using AI, Demands Credit From Creator LISTEN: Obaa Sima by Ata KakSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 266, episode 3 of Der Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness, and it is Wednesday, December 7th, 2022. Look, that day lives in infamy. Y'all already know. National Illinois Day, also a National Cotton Candy Day. Okay. Illinois Cotton Candy.

Yeah. And Pearl Harbor, if you don't know the quote I was going off of. Anyway. Yeah. So those are the three. Power Trio today on December 7th. Kind of ballsy of Cotton Candy to be like, I think we got this one. I think once we step in, Pearl Harbor folks are going to take a back seat.

Yeah, I wonder if it was even like invented on the 7th. No, I think they just pulled up and were like, yeah, that's probably open. Looks open. I'm not seeing any other days. Anyways, my name is Jack O'brien aka take me down to the roku city where the blimps are free and the guests are litty oh take me zine oh that's kevin maloney and axel rose and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Miles Gray, aka, we are young, we smoke green, think

grandma might be mean, talk the zeit, see the gang, feel alright. And that goes really long. Shout out to Lockaroni. That's the super grass track, Alright, where there are references to Lambo, Jack's Thighs, Mountain Dew, and the rest.

And blunts and more limp fries in honor of my loves. So, yeah. Shout out to you, La Carona. Wait, are my thighs and Mountain Dew included in your loves? I think the show's loves. Like the lore of the show. I was just checking. Yeah.

I'm trying to get there. I'm trying to get to a place where my thighs are worthy of your love. You know, one day at a time. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by an award-winning reporter whose 15-part history of deputy gangs inside the L.A. County Sheriff's Department and tradition of violence is mandatory reading and is now mandatory listening as a podcast on this network. Please welcome back to the show, the brilliant, the talented Cerise Castle. Thanks so much for having me.

Hey, thanks for coming back. Yeah. How's life? How's life post podcast launch and election? Yeah, life is good. Yeah, post-Villanueva, we have a whole new sheriff. His name is Robert Luna. He was sworn in on Saturday,

and he sat down as sheriff for the first time on Monday at noon. And yeah, we got a new sheriff. Mission accomplished. I guess I can hang up my hat. Yeah, exactly. He seemed like he was like, and, you know,

I hope you hold me to account when you interviewed him. He was like, I just plan on doing a good job and I hope you hold me to account. And he seems like he knows the eyes. The eyes are on him. So that's good.

The gaze is upon the department for sure. I got to say, Villanueva, the footage of him watching himself lose was pretty satisfying. I feel like we don't often get that front row seat. But somebody was kind enough to be taking video of him as he's watching the results and doing like cartoon like what yeah shout out to kate kegel spectrum news she got that incredible footage of him just refreshing the page refreshing the page and looking cartoon like disbelief yeah i want this kate does kate go into that like you know quote unquote election night or well could have been a victory party like being like, the shot I'm getting

is this dude looking at his phone and realizing it's an L. That's how perfect the shot is because I think it was quite literally like a tonic many of us needed in LA who were like, get this fucking guy out of here. And then he's just squinting like, huh? Huh?

Taking glasses off other people's faces to look through them to see if... Yeah, he was fun to watch in loss, in defeat. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, congratulations to you on that defeat and to all of us. We are going to get to know you

a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about today. We're going to check in with the Georgia runoff. We don't know the results as this recording, but we're just going to check in with how we got into it, how we got here. The Republican grift is real. It's some of these fundraising statistics of like where the money was going to miles was pretty wild that you dug up. So I want to talk about that. We want to talk about the state of policing and human caging in this country. Just, you know, the reporting you continue to do on your podcast, Cerise,

and then just kind of relating it to stories we're seeing nationwide, Houston's Harris County Jail, the NYPD being allowed to arrest and use force on someone, giving themselves the precog abilities to be like, they might become violent later, so we're allowed to use force. And just generally, where all of this fits within the zeitgeist, because, I don't know, we'll we'll probably be digging into it more we we discovered john bernthal's podcast real ones are you are you familiar with this no i'm not oh yeah actor john bernthal has this like propaganda podcast like to make him feel like he's a he's a real a real one should he come on my podcast yeah he's an amazing guy because his podcast is like a all you can lick boot buffet and you're like what is this dude

saying you like realize how much he like wants to be a cop and it's just so weird like where his empathy goes in these interviews but yeah but generally, like, where your reporting fits within the, like, sort of shared consciousness and, like, movies, I think, inform a lot of what people think police are like and what they do. And even, like, the anti-hero movies like Den of Thieves are just, like, so incredibly positive. Den of Th thieves is about deputy gangs did you know that yeah they like fully they like fully are like oh yes the regulators which is i think episode six yeah yeah exactly but they also like are doing it to get like the biggest bad guy like they're like we gotta we gotta someone better than us to get like the biggest bad guy like they're like we got it we got someone better than us to get the baddest bad guy he's so bad they like basically re recreate kaiser soze for this movie and it

and it feels like it's like the least flattering mainstream depiction of police like in a movie really and still you're like oh that guy's pretty cool yeah and still they're like a big nick that's like the main character and they're like he fucking rules so i just want to talk about that we're going to talk about that uh ai selfie art app which is the number one app in the ios app store for photo and video and it has some troubling implications about privacy, but also about art and how it's using other people's art to create art or create these images that people are paying for. Inspired creations. The artists aren't getting any money. But before we get to any of that shit, Cerise, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? The crown memes.

For what, season five? For season five, yes. What's, what, is there any, I haven't seen it because everyone was like, this one's, people have said it's the weakest one. Do you agree? I don't, I haven't seen it yet. I'm not on season six yet. I'm still on season five.

Oh, wait, okay. Is that the one? Okay, I saw that one. That's the one where Charles and Diana just met, right? This is the one where they have their separate, or they separate in the course of the season. Got it, got it, got it. They have the babies.

They have the babies. They go on like trips. Diana becomes a star. Oh yeah, go to South Africa. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah.

What kind of memes? What kind of memes are you looking at? I was just looking for any kind of meme. I've been watching way too much of The Crown lately and been going around my house calling my girlfriend Your Royal Highness and just critsying a lot. Oh, she's been crown brained. Okay. Yeah. Wow. just critsying a lot okay yeah wow i love when people get crown-pilled like that yeah there's no turning back it's funny because it's such a like long detailed you're just staring at these people who don't have shit to do for the whole but like like they do but you realize that it's a lot of,

it's mostly meaningless stuff. It's like ceremonially they will issue a statement, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to come back to season six because the, the thing I've heard about season six is that it's like even slower. They're like, Oh,

you thought the previous ones shit didn't happen. We'll get ready to watch it really not happen in season six. So I don't know. I thought this was going to be the one where like it all falls apart and Diana passes from this planet. And that was the point where the crown was like at its least popular, apparently. And that's like a real crisis. And I guess that's where. That's when the monarchy was at the least popular.

Right. I can't believe it's bounced back, though. Like people are like, yeah, now now it's cool again. So now anyways, what is something you think is overrated? The monarch? No, I'm kidding. Not on my watch. Not on this podcast.

The holidays. Yeah. Go on. What about it for you? What are you not? What's not connecting with you? I'm just not a holiday girl. Wow.

I'm not. You're not festive at all? You never have like a festive attitude? No. Not really. I'll like pretend for my friends and loved ones. Oh, no. So they'll never fucking know that.

These eyes that they're staring at, that you are not having fun. I guess they'll know now. Is there one holiday that speaks to you in any way? Like Halloween? Of course. Halloween. there one holiday that ever that speaks to you in any way like halloween okay i was gonna say halloween but i feel like that's the one consistent one for people who are like i don't really fuck with the holidays and i'm like halloween and they're like well yeah of course of course but i didn't do halloween this year i didn't dress up i got on a plane and i went to a journalism

conference okay did the adult thing very adult yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love, uh, I just, I think what it is for me, I lean in like the one time I like to get into the spirit, which really just means like, I will just lay around. I think it's Christmas because it's like leftover momentum from my childhood

where that break, like for between when you got out of the school in December to the new year was like the only time, like, I felt like my parents would just let me like watch TV all day. And something about that, like I still hold highly in my mind. I'm like, and that is a holiday because I hated when my parents were like, you were watching too much Martin again. Art, please. Yeah. art please yeah i was gonna say you should have worn worn a halloween costume dirt on your flight but i feel like that could go you know i thought about it oh i really did i really thought about it

and there were a lot of costumes at the airport let me tell you the burbank airport workers they come to work in costume and they are festive as fuck and i love true airport thank you yeah i love that about that but then so christmas are you like one of these people like you start hearing christmas like oh my god turn it the fuck up i'm not a scrooge i'm not a scrooge i'm just not like a chris i'm just not like an enthusiastic participant in the holidays like i will not put on christmas music of my own free will but if you turn it on hey i might even sing along with you okay okay i like that yeah i did i'm i'm not huge huge christmas person but when i the first time i hear mariah like come on i'm all

that that just feels like uh i remember where i am i'm like okay here we are change my name to karen anderson when december hits man because i'm fucking with it though the candles come out it's so weird again i don't know why it does this i think it's all because i was able to watch so much tv as a kid at that period and i'm investing back in the community uh i was feeling bad about how much tv i let my kids watch this weekend and now you're TV as a kid at that period. And I'm investing back in the community. I was feeling bad about how much TV I let my kids watch this weekend, and now you're making me feel better. They'll remember that as

their finest weekend. They will. I don't know. I mean, again, I'm so media-brained from the 90s. I truly felt like I saw most things that came on the television or films between 92 and 98. So I hold those memories dear.

Yeah. Yeah. What's something you think is underrated, Therese? Something that I think is underrated? Oof. Voter participation? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaking of the runoff. Yeah. I mean, more people should vote. I can't say that enough. Get out there. Exercise your right. It's a privilege. How did you feel about all the local elections in L.A.? I mean, it was nice to see. with the fact that we saw a lot of candidates that seem to be a direct response to a lot of

the corruption that we've seen at City Hall being voted in. We saw Kenneth Mejia elected a city controller and his campaign was essentially, hey, let's audit the police and got a resounding, yes, let's do that, which is great to see. I love to see people, you know, voting in accountability candidates. And I'm excited to see what the city is going to look like under this new, younger, progressive guard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kenneth Mejia just took the charts straight to the people, like just put the put the information directly in their veins. And I, I'm still, and this is something I'd be interested in hearing you talk

about because it's, we, since the election, we've talked a lot on here about the mainstream media and like the New York Times' refusal to really like pick up that story. When you give them an opportunity, when you give them the information, are fans of progressive policy. But the way the mainstream media has covered it, it's been more anything but that. I know you've talked before about the fact that this incredible story that you've been reporting on for years now has been what for a long time was just left alone by these mainstream media outlets. What has your thought been on just sort of the overall mainstream media allergy to covering progressive victories and progressive policy. Yeah, I think that when you're talking about California specifically and Los Angeles, the legacy media, which is solely concentrated in New York City, doesn't really see Los Angeles, California as something worth investing time and resources in. So when they do do coverage,

it's in the style of sending an East Coast reporter to parachute down into the West Coast and do these really bizarre dispatches that you get. There are so many of them. And like, these are the articles that, you know, go viral on Twitter because they are just so far departed from what the reality actually is on the West Coast. spend significant time here in California and build up their newsrooms here in Los Angeles, in San Francisco, across the state, really, because this is one of the most densely populated states in the United States. Policies in California are the policies that go on to shape national policy. And yeah, I genuinely think it's something that more people need to be paying attention to and taking seriously. Okay, thank you. I don't even need to ask anybody else. It just feels like the tone of so many New York Times articles, especially about California, that are just like, according to these three cops, this is what the deal is. It didn't speak to one person in the community or someone who even had a counterpoint to any of that. And that's reality. best guess for like how the how this bias like works itself into a newsroom like this like sort of finance brained bias where it's just like well if it doesn't have billions of dollars behind it

does it's not like an actual adult like opinion it feels like something that we see repeatedly but do you think it's like is it like top down ownership level? Is it that like these reporters are all all have these like Ivy League backgrounds and all their friends like work at venture capital firms and shit? you know, capitalism brained and like can't can't like think their way outside of that? Or what's your thought on like how that bias is so resilient? Well, newsrooms are really homogenous places. Newsrooms are mostly mostly the people that work there are white men. Most of them are of a certain age. Most of them, you know, are of a certain financial background with, you know, lots of resources. They've gone to a lot of the same schools and they know a lot of the same people. And they don't really go outside of that circle really ever. And when something from outside that sphere emerges and challenges that point a secret that it's not a very diverse place to work.

And it's not a secret that it's a really hard field to be in for people that are not white guys. And I think that bias is, you know, a product of having such a homogenous industry. industry. And I think that, you know, there are some places that are charging head on into that and challenging it and reworking their structures. But unfortunately, a lot of places aren't. And they're really digging in their heels to sort of prevent any of those changes from happening. And you see that in actions like union busting, refusing to recognize unions, that sort of thing. Right. Totally. I just think of like, I mean, even from your perspective, right, like for the piece that you originally wrote with Knock, like that wouldn't have been in a newspaper of like on a wide scale. Or at least if it was, it probably really sanitized to the point that you probably wouldn't have been satisfied with putting your name on it. And to see like a story

like that, just because of the pure, like the truth contained within it, and how much like people connect to that to see that it like transcends even those normal obstacles stories like this have, I think is a real testament to the like the work you've done. And then to see it also continue like as a podcast to me is like,'s it's very heartening to see those kinds of things because before a lot of people might dismiss these kinds of topics as being something of interest to only like activists and not the general public and then just with that reporting i honestly feel like after the when the piece came out it became like sort of shorthand in la to just say google lasd gangs yeah you know and like i feel like part of like all of that really helped

raise awareness to a level that probably wouldn't have been possible like with these sort of like legacy media companies and how do you look at all that like because the work you do is so important and you can only trust you know like the the like these newsrooms or editors so much because you know how important these stories are how are you navigating that while also thinking like maybe there's a possibility for like the la times to be you know like to be at the level that people feel that it should be but how do you look at it all well i mean story, I did pitch my series to all of the legacy outlets in Los Angeles, and it was rejected by every single one for a lot of the reasons that I was talking about in my previous answer. I had several editors say to my face,

you know, this is a story that's happening in an area where we don't have subscribers. So it's not worth us investing the time and resources into the project, which is really unfortunate because I don't think who is buying your paper should determine what kind of story you do. It's the job of a reporter to be the voice of accountability. And that's not something that is limited to who is, you know, purchasing the product that that would be corruption, which is ostensibly what journalism is supposed to fight against. Right. legacy outlets are talking about these issues. But again, I see the terms that are being used are, you know, they don't call it a deputy gang. They say it's a subgroup. They say it's a clique, which is really sad. I think that's really unfortunate. The Los Angeles Times in the 1990s was perfectly happy to use the word deputy gang, but something happened and now

they refuse to print the phrase. And it's really important to call these things what they are and talk about these issues in true uncertain terms because you can't begin to reckon with the issues if you can't call them what they are. Right. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the Georgia runoff and we'll talk more about policing in the U.S. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series

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And it's, I mean, it's look at, so the big headline that we're seeing everywhere is that like the record-breaking vote turnout right early vote turnout and you know just from people who are standing in the lines like it's it seems like a remarkably and by design inefficient voting system oh yeah just a lot of people voting, but it seems like they're voting in response to the voter suppression that people were trying to enact. Yeah. So like after Trump was screaming about how the 2020 election was rigged, a lot of state legislatures like just cooked up some wacky voter suppression bills to be like, and that's how we're going to protect like using the voter integrity wave to just bring in all this new voter suppression. Well, that bill in Georgia

shortened the period between the general election and a runoff. So while also restricting the ability to register new voters in that period, and a lot of it seems to be like helping Democrats inadvertently, I think because the shortened time has led to a lot of people just turning out in droves because of like just generally the condensed time frame. And previous elections, Democrats, they struggled in runoffs to motivate voters to return to the polls. But again, this shortened period seems to have enabled like Warnock's campaign to sort of continue the momentum from November November while the Republicans were just trying to sue their way out of this and being like, can we not actually have early voting the

weekend before or like right after Thanksgiving? Have it start then. That would be bad. And then the judge was like, no, sorry, that that doesn't make any legal sense. So the early voting will commence then. And since then, we're just seeing like Republicans slowly start to be like, oh, yeah, maybe maybe maybe this one isn't that winnable. But it's also worth mentioning the whole runoff system in Georgia was put in place, you know, originally to dilute the voting power of black voters in the state, because the idea being that working class black voters in places like Fulton County, they wouldn't necessarily be able to go to vote again on a Tuesday, like since they have their own obligations. And so even despite all of that, you're seeing a lot of this turnout, who knows where it's, you know, where it could lead. I mean, the poll said

that Warnock had a slim lead, but you know, well, we believe things when we see them in this day and age. And while all this is happening, like, they're the Republicans are kind of retreating, like barely anyone was campaigning for him. And he's hardly done any real campaigning himself. And the email for the election night gathering was described as an election night party. a victory celebration. They're like, join us for the victory celebration. They said they might as well have been like, yeah, yeah, we're going to have the game on on Tuesday if you want to stop by. Sort of like the energy from that email. So, you know, and while all and then again, on top of this, we have grifting like Trump and Senator Mike Lee in Utah and other Republicans are just using this runoff to fill their own

coffers. They're sending emails talking about like, help us. Like Mike Lee sent one that said, quote, Warnock has been drastically outracing Herschel Walker and we have to pick up the pace. Please rush a generous contribution to help finish the job and pull off a huge win for Herschel. The thing is, finish the job. Yeah, right. Exactly. Take him out back because this man, he doesn't even know what office he's running for half the time. Senator Mike Lee, if you look at the fine print, he was keeping 50 percent of what was donated for himself. And then Trump was also doing this. This dude was keeping 90 percent of what was donated for himself and the other 10 percent would go to Herschel Walker.

of what was donated for himself and the other 10 would go to herschel walker on and then even worse and then when people were like yo 90 he slowly went down like a 50 50 split after getting called out then the niche the nrsc the national republican senatorial campaign these are the people who are in charge of like the senate races for the republican party they were keeping ninety nine cents of every dollar donated. So it's just like it's wild to see the levels of just like all kinds, like just how race is playing out in so many ways. Like the runoff itself is like a relic of like a tool of white supremacy. The Republicans thinking that like black candidates are interchangeable to voters. Wow. Like, OK, the like the lack of nuance or just the ignorance there. And then like the extraction of capital, like off the back of his campaign to benefit mostly white Republicans. It's like it has it all, folks. This has it all. So we'll see. But I mean, the Democrats already have their majority either way.

But this is it's something else to look at. Wow. Ninety nine cents of every dollar. That's wild. I mean, that whole apparatus, like all the fundraising that Trump was doing in the aftermath of the last election and like not doing anything with that money, like just building up his own personal quote unquote war chest. It feels like something people are like that's crazy and then we just kind of moved on from but yeah it's straight up grifting the people that he's relying on to come out and vote for 2024 i must say is the republican party just going to crash and burn in a pile of grift yeah i mean it feels like it because like already there's infighting because

marjorie taylor green denounced nick fuentes so now like the super far right that even had her back is now like oh she's a chump like right like getting mad at her you're like yo you can't make this all this whole group of people happy like yeah like it's just it's it's going to be interesting i mean i think that's why it's interesting to also see desantis's whole like strategy in 2024 which his whole thing is like he's trying to say as little as possible and trying to let trump do as much damage to himself before they start like trading shots and that's really the one i'm really willing to see if trump is able to just bully everyone into being like, OK, fine, you're the fucking nominee. Like, you know, or if they're going to try and find a different strategy.

But I don't know. The one thing with the Republicans is they're not very elastic. No, they're thinking. Well, they are when it comes to white supremacy and letting, you know, far right white supremacists and nazis into the party they will stretch the shit out of the tent in that direction they can bend that way sure sure sure yes but that's one thing they can do that's one thing they do well that the the democrats don't do is they can make people in their party fall into line around the points and the democrats are allergic to that the democrats i feel like aren't aligned with what the people who end up voting for them actually want whereas the republicans they're like yeah yeah we just don't say that shit out loud but we actually want the thing that you are voting for and that like you you want like ultimately they're aligned with their base and the Democrats are,

have to like remain. I don't know if it's even have to or want to, but they're ultimately beholden to, you know, corporations. And so you can't even really compare the two parties because the Democrats are like a corporate machine that is just doing the bidding of like unseen unspeaking like ultimately the most powerful people in the party and they have this base

that they have to like pretend like they're doing the bidding of whereas the republicans i think have the the advantage of at least they the courage of their convictions which are you know being being white supremacists exploiting like white grievance politics yeah yeah because that is like a thing they're like yo look we all get it right we're mad about this okay we can move forward where yeah it's hard for democrats like we get it working people need support and we need to stand by the unions in order to fight their employers for a better wage and cut to that railroad. Unless they question the line go up. Yeah. Ultimately, they care about the line go up. I wonder if like eventually they're like, look, y'all, we'll try and get you health care if you can figure out a way for y'all to have health care and make line go up.

Right. If you can do that, then sure. Like, we're all ears. But everything y'all are talking about means line goes down for people we fuck with. And that's, you know, this can't happen, baby. All right. Well, speaking of systemic problems. Yeah. Want to kind of continue talking to you, Cerise, about just, you know,

you've been reporting for years now of just this systemic problem of unaccountable police violence in Los Angeles. And the similarity of the stories is shocking. Like each one is this cataclysmic failure of human rights and of just, you know, any sort of anything that anyone would think of as a civilized family. Like, it's just, but over and over again, you know, the police or the sheriffs shoot or maim someone many times in front of their family. The person in question is often, you know, having a mental health crisis or doing some nonviolent offense like dealing marijuana. There's also, you know, an epidemic that you highlight of like brutal beating of people in prison, like to death or near death while handcuffed. And if the person isn't immediately killed, they often leave them to die with no medical attention,

oftentimes, again, in front of their loved ones ones and then the officers make up a lie not like many times not even really attempting to make it believable like they'll plant a gun that doesn't even match their or not even report yeah or they won't it'll be a ghost gun yeah yeah but they'll be like yeah it was a black gun and then the gun they plant is a chrome gun and they're just like oh yeah you got us because the lie they don't even have to like do a meticulous job of lying because when they get caught they just get sued for millions of dollars that comes from taxpayers like taxpayers pay for their fuck- ups and then you know it's not not only is it not addressed at a systemic level the officers in question are either like left to

continue doing the same job and like oftentimes kill other people or made to retire and collect like huge pensions again paid for by taxpayers and it's just i don't know it's really startling to you know read it in your original piece and hear it you know in your reporting in the podcast just like laid out side by side that like there's just nothing being done over and over and over again and yeah I mean, I don't know. Like we're also seeing, like how do you think, you've done so much amazing,

like detailed reporting about Los Angeles. Do you hear from people in other parts of the country saying that they see similar things happening where they are? Oh yes, overwhelmingly so. I've heard from people, that they see similar things happening where they are? Oh, yes. Overwhelmingly so. I've heard from people, and I want to say 20 different states, that have either been victims of what they believe to be police gang violence

or even I've heard from police officers that reach out to me and say, I am really concerned about what I think is a gang within my department. Right. Yeah. Is it like just operating pretty much in like the exact same way? Like they have they have like their semiotics, their symbolism, they have tattoos or whatever names. It's not just sort of like, oh, that station is kind of out of control. Like they have a like identity as well. They do. Yeah, they're they're doing activities that meet well, what we have in the California Penal Code as the standard of the gang, which is three or

more people. They have a common name or unifying symbol or hand gesture. They are committing criminal offenses and they are doing that in order to further the reputation of the gang. Yeah. Do you think it's like, I feel like it's just like any social setting, like the, that people get in groups or whatever. And in this case, when you have people who are armed and can just kill with impunity, like that, like that, almost that this gang thing is probably, it's safe to believe that more than not, it's probably existing in someone's city?

I would say so. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely corruption happening in your city. That's not unique to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. The tactics that are used by the LASD, I've seen repeated across the country, and there are lots of stories by other journalists that break down these tactics that completely mirror what we're seeing in Los Angeles. What's happening in the L.A. County Sheriff's Department with deputy gangs, it's probably the most well-known gang issue but it certainly isn't the only one

yeah it really they the just lack of accountability and the like they they feel like drunk on on power sometimes they're just drunk but just doing whatever the fuck they want it like it's it feels like a fraternity or you know like at like some ivy league school full of like rich kids who've just never seen a consequence in their life because they there's just this institutional knowledge that they can get away with fucking anything they want and the the only thing that they seem motivated by is not keeping anyone safe, but insisting on their own right to basically kill people at will. Like that seemed the thing that seems to really motivate them is when that is threatened,

when that's questioned, they really seem to get that. That's when they like come together and do a lot of damage is, is anytime they feel like somebody is going to criticize them or make it so that systemic advantage is not there for them. Right. Exactly. There's a quote, I think, in the Jump Out Boys episode where they they're like booklet, they're like gang book defines them as alpha dogs who think and act like the wolf but never become the wolf, which I don't know if it's like an overt

reference or if it's just heavily influenced by the teachings of David Grossman who we've talked about on this show. But he's this former army ranger who goes around like teaching cops to think about the places they police as enemy territory. That's like warrior

mentality, right? Yeah, warrior mentality right yeah warrior mentality his his uh quote-unquote science is called killology and he's basically yeah he's he calls himself america's top police trainer and that sounds like he's like bragging but he teaches you know countless police forces to basically kill at a moment's notice and not feel guilty about it. And it's just straight up like, I mean, his background's military and he's giving police forces this marine training, this just systemizing of like killing and violence and like that it's a it's a nationwide kind of program that he's gotten rich by just like putting out there and the thing he always talks about is like you gotta have the wolf mentality and like because there's wolves and we're

sheepdogs but we have to be able to think It gets very complicated and like you need a fucking flow chart to like know who's the sheepdog and who's the wolf. And when you're acting like a wolf, but you're a sheep in wolf's clothing and all this shit. But ultimately his belief, like, for instance, with the Black Lives Matter protests, his state of belief is that they need to be more prepared to use force because of the Black Lives Matter protests. Because, you know, he was a big spreader of the lie that like the Black Lives Matter protesters were trying to kill cops, which, you know, comes up in your show that like, that's just a thing that they really want to fucking believe and have no support for that like when people are protesting them that they're actually trying to harm them what's the

mentality like Cerise like because we've seen clips where you know like people interview cops like John Bernthal on his podcast he has like this other cop he's like where do you think all this police reform stuff's coming from man like where do you think this is a dead on impersonation that's literally what he said in

this thing we're like yo what sir how like you know like with the added scrutiny with like like reporting like yours and things like that is there even awareness within the departments like that they're like hey maybe we need to tone it down or are they completely like on some like self-righteous shit where they're like no no, no, no, these people are tripped, these people are tripped? Most police officers that I speak to are very in favor of reform, of oversight. A few of them even say

that they need less money in the department. That's another sentiment I hear a lot. They won't use the words defund the police, but they will say we do not need a budget. We don't need more money. Yeah, I mean, they say we don't need more. We do not need more money and we certainly don't need all the money that we're getting. And yeah, I. And that's police officers that I speak to across the political spectrum, Democrats, Republicans, they all, for the most part, agree that, yeah, there is a huge issue going on. We do need more accountability. We need more oversight that is

not coming from inside the sheriff's department. It needs to be outside third party. And yes, we could do with less money and we should do with less money. Yeah. It's almost unbelievable. Some of them even say we should get rid of the department. And that's coming from both sides of the political spectrum as well. Is that because they're saying like, I'm not sure what good we're doing anymore or. Exactly. Oh, they think they think that they're doing more harm than good. And they think that the department is so far gone that it can't be saved yeah it seems like a lot of the police that you interview are former police officers right they have this experience up close with like detailed you know just seeing the corruption encountering like what happens when someone tries to address the corruption and yeah that like it's understandable that they're like i i don't know, this is hopeless. Yeah. How do you feel with Robert Luna coming in,

in terms of his potential to obviously be somewhat better than Villanueva? Yeah, the bar's really on the floor there. Yeah, I think Robert Luna would have to do a lot of really, truly awful shit to get on really anyone's bad side at this point. Yeah, I'm hopeful that, you know, we can see a return to normalcy in the sheriff's department. And we've already seen that. I mean, I've never, I don't think there would be a chance in hell in the prior four years for me to interview sheriff alex vianueva but i was able to interview now sheriff luna which yeah you know sheriff vianueva like bounced me out of his press conferences yeah so that's that's already that's pretty positive right he's willing to speak so yeah that's right yeah yeah and i think you know we'll see we'll see what happens i i don't think that you know he single handedly can eliminate the deputy gang issue in four years i mean it's it's a 50-year problem and he's one man and i think that he understands that it's a deeply entrenched issue that's going to take, you know, some serious overhaul.

And I'm excited to see, you know, what the Luna administration is going to look like and what it means to have Robert Luna as the sheriff of Los Angeles County. Yeah. I mean, Villanueva came to power on like as a quote unquote progressive Democrat, but he like your podcast like really exposed the like he was connected already to like Kevin de Leon and like some of these people who have now been outed as white supremacists. this deeply entrenched you know problem so that was like i guess something that was making me feel less hopeful about luna is like well vianueva came in and was claiming that he was going to reform things and he was like worse and like created more of a problem and so what's to be different about this guy and it does seem like there's a difference because of your reporting and because of, you know, some of the systemic white supremacy that's being exposed just throughout the political machine in Los Angeles. And much more, much more to be exposed. Yeah, of course.

Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back and talk about some that AI selfie art app that everyone's buying. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades.

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And I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the Biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? The Boone County Rebels will stay the Boone County Rebels with the image of the Biscuits. It's right here in black and white in print. They lying. An individual that came to the school saying that God sent him to talk to me about the mascot switch is a leader. You choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team?

I'd just take all the other stuff out of it. Segregation academies. When civil rights said that we need to integrate public schools, these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And yeah, Lenza AI. You might see this if you use photo and video apps on your iPhone, but it is at number one in the iOS App Store. It will basically take, you send a bunch of photos of yourself and the app generates avatars of you that look like they were created by a digital artist but were actually

created by an ai and i don't know the examples are like i can see the appeal like they look they look like marvel movie like movie posters or something like the concept art for a Marvel film. That's a perfect description. They put you as the star of your own Marvel film. Complete also with they'll just like women, they give huge boobs even if you're just sending them

a picture of your face. They take off all your clothes and give you enormous tits. Wow. So wild. give you enormous dicks. Wow. That's so wild. Thank you, Lenza. Who made this? This is you.

What do you think? This was a human being that you were sending the shit to? And they sent it back? I gave you no shirt and massive boobs. I said I just wanted something nice with me and my dog on a mountain or near the ocean or something. Yeah, yeah. I heard you wanted mountains on your dog. I made you a sexy Viking.

Is that cool? Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, obviously, anytime there's an app that you're just feeding raw pictures of your face, there's concerns about the history of privacy issues involving apps that do that. And then there's also... But theirs is different, though. Well, how's that? They say because the second it's done, like analyzing your face, it deletes all those images. Allegedly. Alleg images. Allegedly.

Allegedly. Allegedly. At least from that particular space. From that server. Yeah, exactly. What we didn't tell you about is the other server. It's the cloud. Yeah, right, right, right. They also say that, so their privacy policy is somewhat eyebrow-raising.

It states that while they don't use your photos for any reason other than to apply different stylized filters or effects to them they also state that you grant them certain rights to use your photos right so right like the the ones that come out the other end of the machine are the ones you feed it like are they trying to say like whatever is made from here is like also like our intellectual property or they're also like that that is what you feed it is yeah like that selfie too oh i'm sure there's like i'm sure that we use some like before and after pictures to be like look at look at this sad sack that gave us this picture and look how cool we made him look you know like we're for instance where are we we have two sample images of two different human beings a woman and a man like leading off this

article our writer jm pasted them in who are those people and why like are they just employees or like we don't know you know and they're probably using people's pictures to i thought that was you the one on the left oh yeah. Yeah. Wait, the Katy Perry one? Make me look like Katy Perry, please. Yeah. Make me like one of your pop divas. Talking to that AI. Yeah. But yeah, there's also the concern that it's just overly sexualized. photos of her face and got just like a 70s porn van like artistic treatment where she's

like her boobs are out and like in bras but like just out in four of the picture or like two two of the pictures that they provided two of the four and there's also the standard racism like in this case the app struggles with asian faces according to people who have tried it yeah i it struggled with me i'm not asian but oh you did it it put me in yellow face like straight up put me in yellow face and it also i was really pissed because like the photos that i did get the photos actually look like a human person right they put me in yellow face which was just offensive and most of my photos like i thought i was really ugly for like a good five minutes there before i looked in the mirror and remembered who the

fuck i was but it it struggles with like if you're not white like yeah i was my features were legit like smudges i had like cone-shaped like potato head like you couldn't process your like non-western european features truly oh no it's too bad this is like an audio podcast because like some of this stuff is like really like i had to save it because i was just like good lord like mind-blowingly really really bad like yo oh my god cerise what the fuck is that that is so brutal that has nothing i mean it looks like the shape of your face but that's no that's like no it's wild that these white people are getting like all these like they're like wow look at me i'm looking good and this one's like uh this looks

like someone like rubbed their hand on an oil painting of it right or like that that woman who tried to restore the jesus it looks like the woman who restored the jesus painting it's right and you end up looking like a sloth or something. What the fuck was that? Oh my God. Struggling with Asian faces. Wow. Everybody's. Wait, how did you do it?

So you have to pay for this app? Unless you are a journalist and ask questions. Oh, interesting. In which case, I'm a journalist. Well, I didn't ask the app for questions. Right, right, right. Well, I was just asking people that had done it before i was like hey like i'm seeing that like you have to pay for it like i really

don't want to and a friend of mine had signed up you can either sign up for the free trial or you can sign up and subscribe for 40 bucks and my friend subscribed for $40 and got unlimited avatars. So they blessed me with a Jesus Fresco of myself. Yeah, Jesus Smudgy. The other concern about the app, besides the fact that it is clearly, you know, channeling some horny guy and also that it is racist, is that it is just trying to replace artists like one of the pictures that they created still had a signature on it because they had so thoroughly ripped off like someone's deviant art i'm assuming and they so their signature was like still in the corner of, of the thing that, of the avatar that they created because they, you know, that's how much they were using it for the basis of the, of the avatar. Yeah. Well, now people are trying to pull, you know, their intellectual property off the internet.

So it doesn't end up becoming like, you know, inspiration. Right. Or whatever for these ass i think it's a fucking slippery slope like jeez there are so many great artists on on like deviant art and places like that just go find one you like and pay them commission a piece to like do a painting help support a human that will be even better right oh yeah and that you can actually be like all right this is actually offensive if it's not good. You know?

Right. You're like, I paid you $40 to not look smudgy. Please. Yeah, but people are like they're asking photography agencies to scrub their work from the Internet. And I think it's completely understandable. Yeah. I don't know i guess i this doesn't really like relate to the other ai that like can write about peanut butter sandwiches

being lodged in a vcr in the voice of the king james bible but right still that that is the the death of authorship is something that I think we're facing a little bit. We already kind of face it. Like if you've ever written a joke and then just seen it completely stolen and, you know, have your name taken off of it. understand that like the the memification the way the internet like just memifies anything that's funny is kind of already doing this but this just completely this it creates a machine that is just a machine for taking artists and individual vision out of the artistic process yeah we shall see i mean it's always interesting to see because like there that always felt like there are all these like like you know think pieces written like 20 years ago about like the future of automation or ai and they're like you know if you're in the creative

fields or like like a using your intellect like journalism or something like that may help stave off your obsolescence uh you know like once the computers like become, you know, very, very smart. But you're already beginning to see like even that one chat GPT thing, it it definitely knows what a shape of an answer looks like. You know, sometimes the actual information isn't right, but it sounds right. You know, sometimes the actual information isn't right, but it sounds right. And that's what's like really interesting to when you see these, you know, AIs begin to really refine those kinds of skills. Hey, and at least that one passed the Nazi test. So we'll see if this Lenzo one does. Right.

Yeah. I would be surprised if it did. It just gives you Hitler with big boobs or something. Like, what the fuck? Cerise, as always, such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, continue to enjoy your work? You can find and follow me on Instagram and TikTok at your majesty. Little crown throwback there. My last name is also

Castle. And I'm on Twitter for as long as it'll be here at Cerise Castle. Yeah, yeah. Great follow. Everybody should go follow her right now. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Something that I'm enjoying on social media is actually it's artwork by a young creator of color that is posting their work on the internet they haven't scrubbed it yet because of lenza and this person does anime of abbott elementary it's it's shipper Anime of Abbott Elementary featuring Janine Teagues and Ava Coleman. And oh my goodness, it is very spicy. Please go check it out. Shipper Anime.

Wow. Oh no. Made Lenza jealous with that one. Yeah. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? At Miles of Gray, where they got at symbols. You can also find us,

Jack and Miles, on our other basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. We're, you know, we just get to scream about the NBA. The love of ours. And then also check me and Sophia Alexandra out on our other podcast, 420 Day Fiance.

We're talking 90 Day Fiance. Just watching that whole dumpster fire unfold before our eyes. A tweet I like. A few people put this tweet on my radar, but I got a shout out at WAPA House. Christy Yamaguchi-Main, who DM me, said, I think you're going to like this tweet. And it's from Socialist Dog Mom at Socialist Dog Mom was using Pacer just to look up some court records and stumbled upon this, said, OK, never mind. It was all worth it just to accidentally stumble across this exchange between a judge and a prosecutor and a federal agent where only the judge knows who Biggie Smalls is. And I'm just going to read you this back and forth from the court's transcript.

This is, I think, one of the this is the prosecutor, Ms. Coker. No further questions, Your Honor. The judge, I've got a follow-up question about the Biggie Smalls lyric, Ms. Coker. What about the what? I'm sorry? The judge. About the Biggie Smalls lyric, I got seven Mac 11s, about eight 38s, nine nines. That's a Biggie Smalls lyric. Are we looking for those firearms? The witness. I don't know. I don't recognize that. The judge. This is in the government's exhibit eight where it says, I've got seven Mac 11s, about 838s, nine nines. That's a rap lyric. The prosecutor. I'm the judge. The court's independently aware of that. And it's a what? I'm not understanding the words, sir. I apologize.

The judge. So if you look on page eight, yes. Government's exhibit eight, page one. The prosecutor. Yes. The judge. Where he says, I'll need a list of ammo to get. Then he says, I got seven Mac 11s, about eight 38s, nine nines.

I understand the rest. We're about to get 308 12 gauge pigeons. That's a genuine shopping list. But that to me seems like he's just tossing a Biggie Smalls lyric into the chat. The witness. I don't recognize the lyrics is what I'm saying, sir. The court. OK, yeah, well, that is a Biggie Smalls lyric. The prosecutor. I'm still not understanding the word. I apologize. The judge. Biggie Smalls. Biggie Smalls is a dead rapper.

Miss Coker. Oh, the court. It's a lyric from a song by the dead rapper Biggie Smalls. The prosecutor. Got it. The judge. There's a lot of other stuff going on here, but there's a lot of other stuff going on here. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Wow. About 3899. 10 Mac 10's of shits never ends. Come on. We all know that one. Not the prosecution. Yeah, definitely not.

It's like to be so like, huh? Vicky, what? I don't understand that word. It's the word. Vicky Smalls

is the rapper. These are the people who are so in touch with everything that are prosecuting for the federal government, folks. A tweet I've been enjoying from Soren Bui tweeted, My daughter, falling asleep for a rainy day nap, feels my cheek with her tiny hands as I lay beside her.

Yuck, she says softly. That's just... Kids are mean. Like, a lot of people give them a lot of breaks for you know being cute and all this shit but they are they're really mean yeah just f y you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website daily zeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes, where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's

episode, as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? Okay, we're going with some more deep African tracks that I'm finding. This one is from the artist Atakak, A-T-A-K-A-K, a Ghanaian artist who like made this mixtape like in 1994 when like this dude lived in Chicago, like as a student and like made a couple cassettes. And then some like music dude found the tape and then like resurrected it. And then this, this guy now like 30 years later is like, has a career because they're like, yo, This guy now, like, 30 years later is, like, has a career because they're like, yo, this shit is really good. And it's like, this whole tape is super DIY, but it's like, clearly you could feel like there's, like, Chicago house influences in it. But he's, like, rapping in Twi, like a Ghanaian language.

And he's, but, like, it's funky as shit. So this is, like, a really dope cut. It's called Obasima, O-B-A-A-S-I-m-a by atakak a-t-a-k-a-k and it's check it out it's like super out there uh super retro super diy but like it has so much heart and it's just nice to see like these things where someone just made a tape when they were younger and then people like yo this shit fucking goes and like, okay, I'll tour in my 60s. And you're sure the name is not a reference to Moving Out by Billy Joel where he says,

a heart attack, attack, attack, attack. No. Okay. No, definitely not. Definitely. He's on the show. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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