The Daily Zeitgeist - Geriatric Town Hall Battle, Poll Shaming? 10.16.20

Episode Date: October 16, 2020

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He is the hilarious, the talented, the best-selling author, my former co-host of the Cracked Podcast, one of the smartest dudes out there, Mr. Jason Parjan! I was on here in May, I think, and I can't tell if that feels like 10 years ago or last week. Because on one hand, it feels like a different era. On the other hand hand so little has

changed yeah because i'm looking at like the stuff i'm going to ask about like coven and it's the same damn questions we were asking about it in the spring and man i did not think it was still going to be a thing in mid-october i did not yeah it's wild when you think about things that happened earlier this year, they both seem like they happened a long time ago. And like, I was looking at the most popular Halloween costumes and Harley Quinn is number three. And that I was like,

oh, right. Because birds of prey came out this year, which both seems impossible because that seems like a decade ago but also it's like yeah that was like the last movie to come out in movie theaters right it's time makes no sense it's the same thing like with when uh the lakers won and then anna like sent that tweet that was saying like kobe died like 824 days ago and for a second you'd believe it but they're like no that was that was January of this year.

But honestly, I was like, yeah, that might have been two years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but nothing has happened. Everything and nothing has happened. Or a lot of the same thing has happened is maybe what it is. All right, Jason, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today so first of all we are uh miles and i are going to time travel into the future into your future uh we're gonna watch miles is gonna watch the joe biden town hall

i'm gonna watch whatever happens on nbc uh the apprentice uh reunion whatever whatever that ends up being the fuck that is and we're gonna recap that in our act two uh we're also gonna when jason comes on his likes his underrated his overrated his myths are always a meal so there's gonna be a lot of that uh we might talk about what one pollster is predicting about trump winning in 2020 uh we're gonna talk about uh if we get to it the most popular halloween costumes uh and how that deep state investigation from bill barr didn't uh bear any fruit and so we got the hunter biden new york post story and Hunter Biden, New York Post story instead. Hit him with the bridge. All of that, plenty more. First, Jason, we like to ask our guest,

what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? From about three days ago, do bandanas work as COVID masks? Because there was an article that I vaguely remember. It turned out it was from August, but it could have been from June. It could have been from last week. It turned out it was from August, where there was a study where they showed that neck gaiters, which I didn't know that word until, but like the whatever the material they make those out of, you see runners wear, that they and other cloth things, bandanas,

just putting your T-shirt over your face is actually worse than no mask, because it's just breaking up droplets into smaller particles that travel further and that if you're not using a mask type mask multiple layers that that's actually worse than nothing so i was googling to see if that turned out to be true and apparently according to web and deep according to cdc they're back to i guess what they were saying in the spring that having something is still better than nothing but a real mask is one where you should feel it restricting your breathing somewhat like people like the neck gaiters and bandanas because they

don't feel like anything it's like i'm wearing it's like i'm wearing nothing at all i can run in this and it feels great because it doesn't block my breathing at all it's like that's the problem it needs to you need to feel it redirecting the air and because that's that's when it's actually stopping droplets too yeah it is amazing how little we like there's been so much news so much news coverage of uh you know the pandemic and yet it feels like we've had you know a handful of studies on like how this thing actually transmits that are worthy of committing to memory my interpretation of that mask study was that like we it's worse because people are more confident when they have just a t-shirt over their face. We actually had one of our producers had to be at a location scout,

and there was a Hollywood producer who was out there with a silk scarf wrapped around their face and just acting like it was all good. They were in a hazmat suit jesus but yeah that's all but now that i think about it that's all just based on my vague understanding yeah well everything there's even like i remember in the beginning of september there was like this theory that came out in the new england journal of medicine where they're even thinking that masks

were giving people like immunity because it was giving people such a small viral dose that it would trigger like an immunity response like so it's so hard to know what like until anything is certain it's so it's just so hard to know like what's the safest thing aside from like you know like masking up with surgical masks or n95 and things like that but i do think that one is right because it was new england journal of medicine yeah i mean it's a theory and like a lot of people haven't pushed back but it's not they're not there being like okay this is what's happening but they're seeing some kind of correlation there but all that to say is like everything is constantly in flux regarding our knowledge of it and part of the problem is it's the same problem with trying to study the effectiveness of something

like condoms is that you're assuming people a are telling the truth about how they used it like like a lot of the high failure rate with condoms is guys saying oh absolutely i never i've gotten six women pregnant but i wear a condom every time because they don't you know they don't sneak into your home and record you that's against the law um and so you're basing on self-reporting and then the other thing is with human nature are you wearing it correctly did you maybe pull it aside to talk on the phone blah blah blah like all the condom yeah a lot of people got the nose

peeking out again with the condom yeah okay alright same logic it just feels better just feels better like this under my nose but that's the rough part because with any mask it's always based on the assumption that you're wearing it perfectly. Where you even see people like wearing the mask that I now buy, the disposable ones. But you've got it around your ears.

They bunch up at the sides. You breathe out. Your air is puffing out past your ears. So somebody's standing right behind you. And if you're saying, well, has anybody studied that? No. There's not that much data out there yeah there's you pointed out in a side note uh that like what one of the things that they

found is that singing talking or exercising inside uh like anything that involves heavy breathing is like that six feet of distance is not enough and yet like you still see just that sort of spacing wherever you go like that six feet of distance is is the magic distance i guess i mean even the vape cloud competitions they're respecting the social they're putting 20 feet in between i mean and it should be more like 20 feet but it but this is something we've known for a while, but I feel like it never penetrated into the average person the way that washing your hands for 20 seconds, everybody learned that. Masks, everybody's learned. But this thing about how basically if you're doing anything indoors, if you're eating indoors, if you're in church, if you're at a gym, ventilation is everything. And the thing is, if you're listening to this, you're saying, well, how the hell do I know how my gym ventilates?

How do I know what ventilation system my church has? That's the point. You don't. There's no risk-free. This is why it is different dining outdoors than it is inside. Because once you're inside, this virus can, you can get enough of it through aerosol droplets that spread further than six feet because it's not just a big sneeze droplets it's the talking and breathing hard and singing droplets or if you're in a bar shouting over the music

this is why bars are such a nightmare but i've got a link here to where they had basically a super spreader event at a it's like a spin spin studio in Ontario where I think they've traced 61 infected and exposed another hundred on top of that, something like that. Yeah. If you shout the way I do at a, at a spin cycle. Oh yeah. Or at a spin. Come on, one more hill motherfuckers. They were following all the CDC guidelines, putting the bike six feet apart,

50% capacity masks on before and after the class. So at the, you know, at the desk, you know, you're all the other times you're cleaning up, you've got the mask on. They did everything right.

Disinfected all the equipment, everything, or at least they claim they did. Right. But it doesn't matter. We now know, we will know that if you're circulating the same air for a long time, you know,

an hour, however long you're in there, that's high, that's super high risk. This is why bars are the worst thing you can do. This is why that church is anything like that. A lot of people indoors, long time doing things with your mouth open, talking, singing, whatever. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated jason so today i guess uh doctor is fauci correct am i saying his name right you nailed it okay that's how you say it how would you say fossey like oh man i really embarrassed myself at that spin class. I'm telling you, you nailed it in terms of what my understanding is based on how I've been pronouncing it inside my head when I read it. I've read it 10,000 times.

I may not have said it out loud until just right now. But anyway, he came out and said in an interview i think with cbs mentioned offhand that hey if you're planning a thanksgiving get together um you know you may want to avoid that because again just what i described a bunch of people 12 people however many sitting around a table for hours on end a lot of them elderly you're there with grandma and it's going to be cooler since community doors like that's these are spreader events. I wrote a column on Cracked a couple months ago saying that we are underrating what a nightmare Christmas might be. Because we already are seeing what we were afraid of, which is cases starting to go up when the air got a little bit cooler. Because people who used to jog outdoors are now taking it inside to the gym.

People used to be happy eating outdoors now asking to eat inside in the dining room. And as it gets colder, more and more people do stuff indoors. And this even happened with the Spanish flu. There was a second huge wave in the winter. So this is something we've known was coming for a long time. So when I say Christmas may be a nightmare, I don't mean that a lot of people will die of the virus. I mean, if, hypothetically, Trump loses the election, and then if, again, Fox News has always been in war on Christmas mode, that the liberals want to kill Christmas. mayor saying, hey, we are canceling Christmas plays, parties, like gatherings of more than X number of people, we're canceling it because we're in the middle of the second spike, that is absolutely going to hit Fox News as Joe Biden, not even in office yet, and has already outlawed Christianity. And they're using COVID as a veiled, And so already you see, you know, protest against mask stuff.

Wait until they have to gather to prove that they are trying to keep Christmas alive against the communists and the godless liberals far, ultra far left who are trying to kill it. I could even see it happen on Black Friday where they're like, let us shop. Oh, that's definitely going to be. We need these deals. Because I know that's like another thing. All these stores are trying to figure out. They're like, how are we going to do this? Right.

Because we sell a ton of shit, but I guess it'll be online, but also kind of want the door. I don't know. It's all. Yeah. The thing that's like, really, I'm curious to see is is how like because New York like seems to be really I was reading an article about how New York's Koreatown was doing just an amazing job, like immediately adapting to outdoor dining and doing it relatively responsibly. But Koreatown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And two square blocks.

So, yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just but they were very much focused. Like it was cool because like they had decked out their outdoor dining like they very much made it feel like a vibe even though you were eating outside but like yeah what how that transition works into the winter months because of course everyone's like are we just going to put everything on heaters and like risk a massive tent fire or something one day i don't know it's just all so many things happening at once yeah and i mean what we've seen to this point is that people would rather you know flout the recommendations of the government and scientists than uh not and so we might see people getting sick and dying i

guess it would not be at christmas but it would be in early 2021. Well, but I mean, if people Thanksgiving something normally on a normal Thanksgiving, something like 30 million people travel. So normally we flood, you know, like air travel is still like 30 percent pre-COVID levels right now. But I mean, Thanksgiving is when people fly home to see the family and it will be family that many of them have not seen literally since last christmas so if a lot of those people i've decided well this will be the thing i'll travel for this is what i'll pack an airplane for well everything i just said about ventilation and you're sealed inside of a tube for six hours seven hours ten hours however far you're flying plus the time you spend on the tarmac um all those people gather in the airports all those people getting on planes,

all those people then gathering at grandma's house with 12 other family members. You just need one infected person on that plane, and then all of those people will leave that party and will fly back to six different states where they came from, carrying the infection with them. So if that occurs in late November know, late November, Thanksgiving, then by the time Christmas comes. Oh, that's when the wave is hitting, like on Christmas Eve.

That's when the wave could be hitting. And I'm not trying to scare people with like an apocalypse scenario, but the truth is I had up till like this podcast recording had been assuming I would see my family at Thanksgiving and Christmas. I've got some elderly relatives where you don't know if this is going to be their last one. Right. You can't, especially now with a pandemic on that targets elderly people, you don't know. And if any of them are listening to this, I'm not talking about you specifically.

I'm talking about someone else. The other one. But it's not a minor thing. I'm happy to not eat at restaurants for a while. I don't go to that many movies. I don't go to bars. There's a lot of things. It was easy for me to give up,

but the idea that I'm not going to travel to go see family and knowing that I have no idea when it'll be okay to do it again. I may be one of those people who don't join the protest. Right. But just quietly do it. Right. And get a test. Cause I can get a test here.

I can get a test and get results back, but just usually the it right and get a test because i can get a test here i can get a test and get results back but just usually the next day i'd get tested and then i would keep myself indoors and i would go right yeah it's there's a lot of motivation too like even from in my own social social circle where a lot of people who are transplants or have family around the country have been looking at this like i'm I'm not fucking not seeing my family at Christmas. Like, you know, for people who have like that tradition of getting together on the holidays,

like it seems like a lot of, you know, for better or worse, this mentality of like, this won't stop our family, but it's, it's such a, it's such a risk right now still.

So yeah, it's scary. Yeah. So there wasn't much pushback as far as I can tell. Nobody else noticed this quote from Fauci. I think if he comes back in a few weeks and says, oh, by the way, same thing at Christmas. Like your Christmas play, the church thing you do where they get everybody together and you sing the songs. Like, don't do that.

That's, I think, when it will be a crap storm. That's why i i think now it could be wrong it could be that at fox news and a lot of those circles let's say you know what let's tone down the outrage this year even though it's going to cost us some ratings like the bench of heroes of the world they're gonna say you know what we don't need to be a grifter today yeah not today not when our democracy and lives are at stake because ultimately aren't we all americans they'll say they'll say do we have to act outraged at every little thing that comes down the pike can we just tell people look the the war on christmas thing was always kind of a grift we

never actually meant it nobody thought christmas was in danger so please yeah it'll be like the world war one uh christmas day uh soccer game where everybody's just like hey guys let's all sing just for one day together for one day and right back to trench warfare play soccer on the frozen dead bodies oh man that story that everybody talks about is heartwarming is pretty pretty horrifying when you think about it. I think most people just realize, look, as long as there's money to be made on Christmas, it's not going fucking anywhere. Just remember that. Right. on the part of everyone who profits, not just from the gift stuff, but from selling the turkeys and the cranberry sauce and all the candy and all the stuff

that's expected to be there, the pies. They very much have a motivation to push, let's let Christmas be our official, the pandemic is over holiday. Right. Because there are some retailers out there where 30 of their income they make at christmas and that's that's common you know this is the american economy pivots around christmas so again as much as we've heard concern about the theaters

going out of business and the airlines struggling boy wait until there's talk of of christmas uh revenue being cut in half or whatever it would be if people were just mailing gift cards to each other. We've talked before, Jason, you've talked about how you wrote a column back when we were both at Cracked about how Christmas is basically a, like it goes back before christianity as like a winter solstice holiday that is the like coldest deadliest day of the year uh where humans like gather together indoors to celebrate the fact that that nature hasn't been able to kill them just yet. So that's like kind of drilled into us. It's also like mating season.

If you look at the most common time for humanity for people's birthdays. Yeah. So it's ingrained the, the idea that we all get together indoors and, you know, have traditions and celebrate traditions together. Like that's deeply, deeply ingrained in human history and in our culture, possibly in our psyche. So. You can even see it now. Look how many non-religious people have no problem with

Christmas. They don't even view it as a religious holiday. It's Santa Claus and the tree and gifts. And, you know, there's atheists celebrate Christmas. It feels right. And yeah, when the Roman Empire made everyone be Christian, like when they would go to these places and they're like, well, we, you know, we're not going to cancel our winter festival. They're like, that's fine. It's Christmas now.

We're just going to rename it. Because again, it's the same deal. Like they had an economy revolving around their december or whatever get together and it's like well we're we'll give up our religion but we're not going to give up this it's like that's fine you can keep the same holidays yeah it's a celebration of our triumph over wilderness that we celebrate by uh beheading something from the wilderness and dragging it indoors and dancing and singing around it. Yeah, eating it. Yeah.

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This is something I've been banging the drum about for like four straight years. The concept of gaffes, as in like when a politician or a candidate says something dumb in public, those, like the concept that that's something that matters and will actually sink a candidate, Trump has killed that forever. Okay. And I'm glad because Twitter loves this. If Trump misspells a word in a tweet, that misspelled word will trend all day. misspells a word in a tweet, that misspelled word will trend all day. And I'm telling you, I watched for three and a half years when everyone was like, oh,

that's going to be the thing that alerts America that this man is a moron. It doesn't work like that anymore. The average American actually finds it kind of endearing when you're not polished as a politician for whatever reason in the modern era we we we kind of like it when they screw up and it was the same thing of the primaries and they're like biden is a gaffe machine he he can't string together two sentences without getting the name of the city he's in wrong or something like that nobody cares let that be dead forever because what happened with trump where his numbers didn't it took a worldwide apocalypse to make his approval move down by like the four points it required to give the other candidate a lead and some kind of substantial lead in the polling right right but the 20 000 gaffes he committed did not do that at all yeah in general it's like seems like nothing even attacks from the right about

like the behavior of politicians who are democrats just like they ring so hollow and it's like i i think this is we're past all of this now because you're so craven over there like the fact that you're upset i'm having a failure to connect the outrage that the people on the right have you know like for even like with the hunter biden things where they're like oh this will get them and it's like no everyone's completely numb to everything actually i feel like it might motivate your base but i don't know if it's kind of that effect of like oh god did you guys see this thing it's lights out for them huh right there was an underage a woman who had claimed that trump had sexually assaulted her when she was underage that that story just came and went in a blip like no one listening even knows what i'm talking about

like it just like something that would have been a showstopper 20 years ago and then the new york times did this huge breakdown about how trump was basically just using the white house to divert money to his businesses and they probably probably devoted $150,000 in resources and reporting and man hours putting it together. No, it trended for like an hour. I saw a few political types on Twitter tweeting. It's like, oh, this is great reporting. It's a great breakdown of the level of corruption here. Yeah.

The fly on Mike Pence's head trended longer than that. Right. I mean, but that thing was hilarious did you see that thing it was it was sitting there and it didn't even leave dude longboarding to dreams i mean come on um yeah i i do think that it's some sometimes like because people do do say that hillary clinton's email, like the fact that Comey reopened that investigation a week before the election had an impact on voters. And I think it's something to do with

how the negative story interacts with what we suspect about that person or what we suspect about that person and or like what people suspect and like what the overall negative feelings are like with the rick perry thing where he couldn't name anything like he's just couldn't remember anything like that interacted with the fact that he's clearly like not not smart and like propped up by uh speech writers and uh you know then they make him start wearing glasses after that but what hillary that's the thing is that that was the culmination of literally 20

however many years since 1992 20 some years of anti-hillary anti-clinton the crimes are corrupt hatred like if you were in conservative circles in the 90s you had like the clinton murder list like the list of 49 people that hillary and bill clinton had murdered together right they arranged a plane crash was one of them and like car accidents like this made them and in conservative circles like that they were these deeply corrupt people so that even though the emails didn't say anything, it was just a signal to people who were already ready to hate her. And I think that's one lesson we have about 2016 now is that probably any other candidate, even one chosen at random, probably squeaks out that election. Right. But they just uniquely hated Hillaryary so much uh for a

bunch of reasons some of it sexism some of it the clintons but yeah she was like the like in terms of her negatives and all that if she was it was a case they're kind of like asking people to hold their nose and vote for her and that's one reason why this year is different people genuinely do like biden like they but you know again it's the contrast with him and Trump is just so strong that maybe anybody would have the same effect. Yeah. Finally, what is a myth? What's something people think is true you know to be false? that right-wing conspiracy craziness will calm down after trump is gone if trump loses right because i know that like trump has a thing where he intentionally like retweets q anon memes or

that thing what was the thing about the seal team six he just retweeted the other day that that biden let bin laden go and then he killed seal team six yeah even though those people have are all like public figures and they have like book deals are they saying yeah i think a couple of them died like one of them died in a car accident or something and so i think there was a helicopter crash involving some of seal team six later on but this is like they had the dude who took the shot out here being like i'm sorry like what i i know what happened what is is this shit? Right. So while it is like with all that criticism,

that's all valid that, that like QAnon has been boosted by Trump and the same thing, like these French groups, like the proud boys that they're boosted by Trump kind of, he does a nod and a wink and the kind of legitimizes them. But I think people's memories tend to be really short and they kind of legitimizes them. But I think people's memories tend to be really short and they kind of maybe don't realize that like Pizzagate came about during the Obama administration

based on those emails that were leaked from Podesta and that Hillary was whatever, that they had that pizza restaurant. And then of course, Pizzagate became QAnon. And then during the Clinton years, during the 90s, that's when that right-wing the 90s, that's when that right-wing militia movement, that's when that got started. That culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, of course, killed 170 people. Alex Jones got his start in radio by spreading

OKC bombing conspiracy theories, claiming it was a Clinton inside job. That's how he made his name. He started InfoWars in 1999. That was during the Clinton years. So I think that those of us around during the Obama years, like The Daily Show, all of those kind of left-wing platforms, they got big by making fun of what a crazy conspiratorial turn Fox News had taken, right? Because they had platformed Glenn Beck, and he had these conspiracy theories about the czars. Do you remember that?

How he kept claiming, because Obama kept appointing czars. He's like, well, czars are Russian. And czar, like the root word is Caesar. And he had this whole thing. And so they were kind of like pointing and laughing. And he had this whole thing. And so they were kind of like pointing and laughing. But that whole theory and that whole worldview comes from the idea that like white Christians are an oppressed minority. Like it thrives more when the other party is in power.

So you're going to see that pivot. That's one reason I have this theory about Christmas, especially if Trump loses. Because they want to set the stage, all of the grifters do. And again, the reason these exist is because there's massive money to be made. Let's be clear. Like QAnon QAnon sells merch. Yeah. They sell t-shirts,

they sell stickers, stuff like that. So all of the people who are planning out their post Trump lives, it's not going to be by moving to the center. Right. It's going to be setting the stage for everything they can detect that joe biden of all people is an ultra far left uh communist maniac out to exterminate this lifelong catholic got to exterminate christianity is they're going to start that

immediately like the moment the election's over they've got to start that immediately. Like the moment the election's over, they've got to start hunting for any indication. Every appointee, everybody that is in the cabinet, they're going to find anything they wrote in college that was like anti-Christian, anything like that. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Trump is definitely, as has been said by everyone,

he's a symptom of a larger problem. It's another symptom of that problem is that in a statistical, historical anomaly, American life expectancy among white, non-college educated people started going down. I think it's all part of this same like there's been this part of america that the mainstream culture has sort of ignored and looked down on and just dismissed completely that has metastasized and that isn't going away like that's's Trump. I also don't think Trump is going away even if he loses the election. Like I think that could make him

a more dangerous leader slash organizer. You know, the conspiracy theories, if he loses in a landslide to loses in a close election, the only thing that will do will give him uh ammunition to claim that uh he was cheated out of the white house and just get more and more conspiratorial and he'll start openly embracing q anon like i don't i don't see how we move beyond this specific wave yeah i mean the only way he becomes quiet is he does that thing where he

just doesn't want to take L's publicly anymore. So he just retreats and doesn't talk about it. But he's not taking L's as far as he's concerned. He's in a bubble where he goes out in front of people and gets the thing that he craves and that is his lifeblood, which is being a stand-up comedian,

being a stand-up comedian who people worship as a messiah yeah okay but let me ask both of you this like trump can be indicted on several crimes the moment he leaves office because obviously the southern district new york they've got stuff waiting from the trump, his various charity stuff to stuff he did in office to the many, many things that have been uncovered that his family's been involved in and with funneling money around. If they charge him and it turns into a years-long legal battle, do you think that's good or bad? Do you think it's better to not turn him into a martyr and let him just eventually die?

I can see him getting martyred pumps up fire. It just gives his base every reason to believe every single thing he's been saying the whole time in a way like it feels like that could that could fuel it uh because i don't know if they would look at a decision made in a court and be like well seems like that's he did wrong and i guess you got to go to you got to you got to be punished i do think that being prosecuted for financial misdeeds is a very boring way to be martyred though so if you're gonna martyr someone like martyring them under like a bunch of like red tape and financial misdeeds is probably a good way to go as opposed to you know i guess there will be video of him being arrested and there's gonna be violence from

the the right like that's just i mean there already is violence from the right but one way or another like whether he leaves office because of a legitimate election whatever it is like they're not gonna go down they're not just nobody's gonna just be like yeah okay that was a fair election you guys uh we we admit we were wrong and we'll shut up now and we're we're liberal now no i mean it's just that's why they're they're better at being the minority party like they're better like they're the conservative culture thrives to your point jason when democrats are in power like they don't know what the fuck to do when they're in charge it's like oh fuck we don't like we're just gonna try and do all this other it'll be chaos but they're the i think they have more energy to

respond to a democrat in power than like a republican in power and then trying to explain away all this shit about why nothing's working like it's better to just always be like no you see what they're doing that's what's going on and that's why they're in power and that's so yeah but i think trump gives them the unique position of actually being able to both be in power and also be a prosecuted minority because the media is out to get him and because well that's why he had to invent the deep state right that narrative that's the only way that narrative worked it's like well actually the president is powerless it's the deep state

that oppresses the president it's like okay because you could you could pass another stimulus package that would be enormously popular at any minute, and he just doesn't know how. Yeah. It would actually do, it would have, if he had done that like a month ago, it would have boosted him in the polls, maybe by a lot. And he just doesn't know how to do that part of being president, the legislation part. Yeah, he's an open mic comic. The art of the deal. Yeah. All right. part of being president the legislation part yeah he's a yeah he's an open mic of the deal um yeah all right one thing that some of us were hoping maybe he would be good at right you know that that's like saying look the the best deal is the one that most americans want and it happens

to be the one that the democrats want so let's make a deal and pass it nope no no it turned out that's not that's not how he thinks yeah because his whole thing is owning owning them and the other side being wrong can't get to a place of like compromise that way all right let's take a quick break when we come back miles and i are going to recap the uh what what happened on the town halls last night and And then some of the stuff that we were talking about maybe getting to that there's no way we get to in this episode, such as the Hunter Biden thing and popular Halloween costumes coming up,

we will get to in Monday's episode. And yeah, we'll be right back. And we're back. That's how I'm cutting that conversation off. We're actually here in the future. Oh, man. Listening to Super Producer Ana Hosnier talk about a billionaire. Bad boy, alien air, Indian bad boys.

In the world of Formula One racing. And I couldn't take it anymore. So we are starting our post town hall record. Yeah. What is post game analysis? Joe Biden is actually still talking. I'm not joking. I think it's over.

No, like I'm looking at it right now on ABC. It looks like he went home. He's still talking to the people. He's standing up and like just being very grandfatherly and making the same hand gesture. But it's over. His was an hour and a half. Trump's was an hour. So, Miles, I watched the Trump town hall on NBC.

This kind of feels like our Netflix rewatch already. All right. So I watched the Trump town hall. I watched the Biden one. Thoughts? Yes. The Biden one seems like people, the Twitter analysis I was getting was that he had detailed, long-winded answers to questions. Yeah, he was able to talk normal.

Very uninspiring, especially when he was talking about, shoot him in the leg. He said it again. I instantly thought of Lacey. Leg 2020. Yep, he was like, he brought that up. He constantly would bring up his son, Bo. The main takeaway for me is whenever a person of color,

a black person specifically, would ask something about the black american experience and what he would do or his connection to past injustices or crime bills and things like that he just he doesn't have like the good clean short answer that doesn't make him sound like somebody trying to make a bunch of excuses right um but he still gets around to like well like you know he'll he'll point to certain things but at the end of the day like there was one guy who was like can you tell me you know like besides i ain't black like what that means to vote for a different candidate or if i'm not satisfied with what i'm hearing from both parties at the moment like he specifically called out the i ain't black thing and that kind of caught him off guard and he just started you know talking a lot of words uh but all in all i was you know like anything i i was i have a very

low bar for joe biden so when he comes out and says sentences i'm like well good for you you know there's a couple moments where you you made a you made a brain fart look like a like a deep thought yeah and i'm like, yes, good, good. You're finessing it. That's what you need to do. Didn't see this for you. No. All right.

Well. Which is all to say, this shit was an hour and a half. And I'm like, I don't know. There was nothing really great aside from maybe those moments. He couldn't really decide whether or not he was into fracking or court packing but that's always to be uh said when he's like in a state like pennsylvania where fracking matters and or is a contentious issue rather so i watched an hour of trump's and then i watched like the last half hour of biden's and i found biden's more stressful because i feel like Biden still gets held to a standard where if he flubs or says a thing wrong, even he gets a little disoriented. And the media will actually pick that up.

Whereas Trump, it's just nonstop lies and just throwing heat. Was he talking at one and a quarter speed? Cause the one, the first commercial break in the Biden one, I quickly went to NBC to see what was going on. And it just came with like, and that's the thing. And I was like,

Whoa, I don't. Yeah. So Dave Anthony, the comedian and host of the dollar podcast tweeted, Trump has never been on this much speed. And I got got i got that impression as well he really it was yeah uh at at the end of his limits uh as a high-flying circus

yes yeah it was i think maybe and it may have just been too because i had just been listening to joe biden for 10 minutes 15 minutes that just comparatively it seems very fast but i you know we listened to his voice a lot i was like this seems a little more and like he seemed like up but yeah he was way up all the way answers uh so he said that he he wouldn't answer when he had the last negative test he said his doctors certainly can, uh, which the doctors have refused to. So Savannah got like his tax returns. So the one thing that I thought could have,

you know, redeemed NBC is if this was like a setup, if like the, uh, people at the toll booth had ducked when, when he showed up and it was just, uh, they started just drilling.

Oh, look at how they massacred my boy. Yeah, but it was none of that. And in fact, it was kind of a nice setup for him. There was a pretty young woman behind him in the shot, just nodding at everything he said. Almost like like I think how Trump would have set up the shot like everything he said that she was like yeah yeah absolutely right on um and savannah guthrie did a good job uh and you know was like uh held him to a standard of like wait but you have to not be that foolish at certain yeah right i saw that

with like his uh 400 million debt question i saw her kind of press him on that one where he's like and you know i'm under levered i'm like oh you're under levered okay that's under leveraged yes i looked it up under a lever right now don't move it one use of under levered so maybe you can go either way but uh he did at one point say 400 million dollars is a peanut it's small i'm under and so she's like so you do all that much money and he's like well you know i will say it's just a small amount you know you got mortgages that's what it is and she's like so it sounds like you do owe 400 million dollars okay yeah um he she tried to, I think the kind of big moment of the night was, you know, she asked him about would he denounce white supremacy? He said, I've always denounced white supremacy.

Like, I don't, why don't you ask Joe Biden if he denounces Antifa? And she said, well, I don't, I'm not interviewing joe biden and he said ah that's cute uh very right like dismissive and sexist then she asked him to denounce q anon and so this has happened before where somebody asked him what he thought about q anon never heard of him never heard anything about it don't know anything about him and he did that again and then he said i do know they don't like pedophilia and i don't i don't like pedophilia so um so he just found the one like acceptable q anon belief and was like so i'm kind of on board with q anon i guess um so he knows he knows what he's doing he knows yeah and i think he also just said like i agree about like pedophiles are

bad or whatever you know it seemed like if you were cute this last time was a proud boys this week q anon right uh got their little wink but yeah uh wow it's funny that how he's like i'm against pedophilia but also i wish that woman gielin maxwell who's a pedophile all the best yeah to that pedophile but i hate pedophiles the other thing that's really interesting is i was reading about how a lot like legitimate human trafficking organizations have been like intersecting with q anon people at times and they're like dude you are actually fucking up our real work of tackling this issue like with your meddling and like like it's just uh it's it seems like they're like accidentally overlapping with QAnon and then being

like wait you're fucking things up or yeah or somehow they'll be invested like there may be some real human trafficking investigation going on and then Q people are starting to like try and send information or act as if they can crack it too and they're like please get the fuck out of the way like we're

actually doing this that's the most widely held belief among Q people is that there's a vast cabal of pedophiles there is it just happens to include a lot of trump's friends and you know a lot of just elites on both sides but it seems like that was a calculated thing he picked the thing that's also the thing that you'll see even people who are just like flirting with Q or are like undercover closeted Q members. They'll still be like talking about sexual sexual like going after perverts and pedophiles. So he knew what he was doing, which is funny because he was like at the last rally, he was just at a rally, like throwing out all the fucking anti-Semitic shit, talking about globalist takeovers and things like you're using the exact same language in this audience. Then you go there like I never heard of him. I know a lot about him.

I don't know if you check the receipts from a couple of minutes ago. Talk a lot about it. Yes. Yes, it's all very kept saying that 85 of people who wear a mask caught covet 19 it was like a new study came out 85 of the people who wear a mask catch it so what are you then 85 then savannah guthrie was like astronomical that's not true but there were a couple times when like somebody asked him why didn't you put in place more covet 19 precautions uh that was one of the town hall things she was like you told bob woodward that like you knew it was an airborne disease it was a huge threat why didn't you put more in place and he just went on like a riff for two minutes about uh the travel ban and like how he was he did the travel ban everybody said it was

bad it was everybody thought uh it was xenophobic but i did it anyways and like that would have been an easy one like cody johnston was pointing out like all you had to say was mr president the person asked you why in response to covid you didn't do more than the travel ban not for a two-minute rant about the travel ban please answer their question like that would have been fairly easy one to push back on uh where it was just like but this is tv so we have to like move on to the very next thing i did see that one point where he was just like but this is tv so we have to like move on to the very next thing i did see that one point where he was like but the thing is i didn't i wanted to downplay it i don't want to make everyone panic yeah he's like well what do you mean it's like what am i

gonna do go out there and say everybody's gonna die and she's like well you can split the difference like no you can't she's like no you don't have to go that far what actually you can't uh you cannot you have there's only you're all gonna die or nothing's wrong that's it I think her best moment came when she pushed him on the thing we were talking about on I think yesterday's episode maybe today's episode where he tweeted that

Biden had SEAL Team 6 murdered to cover up the fake assassination of Osama Bin Laden he was like, well, uh, I didn't say that. I just retweeted it.

It's a retweet. It's somebody's opinion. And she was like, yeah, but you're the president. You're not somebody's crazy uncle. Uh, and he was like,

yeah, but it's a retweet. It's nothing. I'm so what I'm allowed to put things out there. Uh, so that was a good moment where she kind of said what was on every or just be like so do you do you retweet things you don't agree with ever right yeah that's my quote that would be my next question it's like there are so many i

there there was one moment i was like just screaming at times because i wish savannah guthrie just be like fuck it i'm just gonna fucking own this fool on camera yeah uh because i would have loved something like when he's talking about 85% be like no mr president that's mathematically impossible what you're saying is untrue like and there's no way you can prove it there's i'm telling you right now there's no way you can prove that well i don't know i mean that's probably what he would do he's like well that's your opinion and you're abroad so what would would you know? Trust the guys. He, at one point, was bragging about how he didn't ask Amy Coney Barrett if she would

like deliver him the presidency. He's like, believe it or not, I didn't ask her about it. Would you believe that? Believe it or not, I didn't ask her. Like, what? Okay. Points scored, I guess. Yeah.

That he didn't ask her. Like, what? Okay. Points scored, I guess. That he didn't. Like, could you imagine if he had been like, so you'll give me the presidency? What do you think? What do you think? You'll do it, right? Give me a handshake. I need a loyalty oath. Omerta, like the mob.

Overall, it felt like the thing it mostly accomplished is like normalized being a trump supporter because it was like 50 50 and there were a lot of you know women of color who were like on the fence or trump supporters there were uh you know young people who were trump supporters there were people with birds in their hair right there and there's they had it all there's a woman who was like you have a great smile you're so handsome when you smile someone said that yeah and then uh okay and then asked him a question that was like i come from immigrants are you going to be kind to like are you what are you going to do about daca and dreamers like implying like would you kind of be nice to them and he was like you're gonna love what i you're

gonna love what i do to them i'm gonna but like implied that he was gonna be like hard on them he was like talking about building the border wall and they closed out saying how would you improve and he said because i've done a great job uh which was an interesting way of no no the question was how would you improve do better because i've done great uh he's it's he really seems incapable of thinking forward on which is just an unbelievable thing to be true about somebody running for president but the bar that he's held to is so shockingly low but it it just doesn't it really doesn't matter well that's what's interesting too because like joe biden you you realize that people who are interested in a candidate for the democratic party have way more intense questions to ask because i think most people like yes people are going to try and get trump to you know

flub or you know ask him something but he's never going to give an answer but that's with joe biden like he has to there's a lot of more nuance that people are packing on in their questions uh but either way it seemed like i'm not sure what this is going to do except for we'll see when the ratings come out if he's just you know him and the writer just like circle jerking over like the ratings like you see he can't even he can't even get a crowd there was this middle class latinx woman leaning towards trump which i was just like fucking kill me but she asked him about obamacare she's a frontline medical worker and he was like the the problem with it like she asked a very nuanced

question was like I'm a frontline medical worker we don't have oh is that the one with the daughter with the daughter yeah and he kept just saying the problem with Obamacare is it's not good we're gonna do a much greatly it's gonna be much greater there

and Savannah Guthrie rightly was like yeah you've been saying you're going to repeal and replace. You haven't replaced it with anything. You've like changed one part of it. And he just was like, it's not great. It's not very great. And the thing we're going to do is great. And it's going to be very affordable.

And yeah, if people held him to any sort of standard, that would not be a sufficient answer. But yeah, yeah, it seemed to go over. You saw that you saw the woman. I did because I was like, oh, this is getting interesting because I remember them being described as she voted for Trump in 2016. Her daughter was voting for the first time, but was leaning Biden. first time but was leaning biden and then she asked this like very like question that did not seem like a trump supporter would ask the president knowing that you would hope that what you're i mean maybe she's like one of these naive trump supporters like maybe if i ask i a frontline doctor frontline like medical worker who supports him a very direct question about like what's

happening to us maybe he'll be nice about it, but that did not happen. That one in particular made me wonder. I don't know. I have a hard time conceiving of these people who are rational, self-interested actors who are still supporting him after all this. Well, if you just want things to be super conservative and you know go back to like the whatever fucking times right that's like you know it's you we've seen

like over and over how much people can get like really focused on one thing and ignore every other bad fucking thing about the president because like they're just so energized by just one fucking issue uh but yeah i thought she was a plant for a second i was like are you just pretending you're trump supporters you can ask this like gotcha question about fucking over medical workers i kept waiting for them to just fucking light this guy up and they just it was not it was not to be they're all fucking probably pre-approved and shit. Yeah, yeah. He also had a couple moments where he was like, have you ever heard of a word called negotiations?

I'm negotiations. I'm negotiating. Where he would do these silly faces and voices. He's a performer. He really is. The camera loves him uh he's got a great smile he's so handsome when he smiles and uh and what you just said was our new pledge of allegiance uh all right any anything else anything from the biden uh not much not much there.

You know, if you, if you were, if you were interested about like getting to the bottom of certain things about renewable energy or, you know, police reform and things like that, you weren't, you know, it's the same things we were talking about even in the primaries. That's not, this is not the candidate who's going to take those things head on. And, you know, maybe you can drag them to the left if he gets into office and it's not stolen. But, yeah, it was not, I don't know, maybe it was disheartening. I'm just like, all I can think about is like November 3rd. I'm like, what the fuck would things look like after that?

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As Jason was saying, if Donald Trump falls over and has a seizure, this whole episode will seem very crass and i feel like that take will always be fun right as jason was saying if donald trump falls over and has a seizure this whole episode will seem very crass or if bjork murders donald trump uh during the town hall this this episode will seem pretty hot as though it's in pretty pretty bad taste but let's real quickly before we get out of here, I did want to talk about this story that I think doom scrollers everywhere noticed, which is a gentleman by the name of Robert Cahaly, who was one of the only pollsters that predicted Trump's win in 2016. And, you know, they're a handful. Most of them are predicting that this time is different robert kahaly is saying nah we've got another we got another one coming it's a re-up yeah he's gonna

win yeah i mean his whole thing in 2016 was that he said a lot of pollsters weren't he has like his own method where he's trying to he asks other questions to try and nail down who this person might be. And the big thing that he always talks about is this idea of social acceptance or social desirability bias and how that affects people's response in a lot of things. And he said that, in fact, in 2020, he thinks it's like a worse take to have now to say you're supporting the president, that he's trying to adjust for that as well. But one of the big things he was saying is like, you know, a lot of the polls say Biden's going to win Georgia or Florida or North Carolina or like, you know, leading. And he's like, that's all. Fuck it.

There's no way. He's just saying Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, Arizona. They're they're not nailed on for Biden, like by any stretch of the imagination, despite what the polls are saying. And he predicts Trump will win in all of those states. And he was also saying that, you know, while he has lost a lot of support, you know, he was saying like, yeah, he's lost a lot of support with suburban women. He's lost some support with the elderly, but he has picked up support with black and Latino voters. Surprisingly, he said he was really like it's gone up slightly. So there is some movement in that area. But with all that to say, I was just there, I'm like, we got Jason on.

So I'll put that down and let us discuss that because yes, he feels very strongly that there's not much difference between the two. This is, is for one thing no one who gives an answer answer to this is not somewhat motivated in the reasoning like i don't want i don't want to give anyone a reason to not vote and obviously people who are afraid of a second trump term are also very afraid of saying anything that causes people to maybe be to relax and so there's a motivation to kind of in those channels to kind of boost anyone who's saying hey trump's chances are better than you think because you want people to go out and vote it does from the early voting it appears people were going to have like record

turnout like and anything can happen it's you know the whole issue that i i like nate silver i know a lot of people have grown to hate him what i like about him is he's one know the whole issue that i i like nate silver i know a lot of people have grown to hate him what i like about him is he's one of the few people that points out that look we have not had that many presidential elections period in the modern era in the polling era and in the mass media era you're only talking about the ones going back to what 1960 and the era in which tv has been a thing like that's just, that's a small sample size. And this is why. And so anybody who says,

well, you know, cause you hear this, these headlines like, well, no president has ever lost when the unemployment has been blank or, or this guy who's predicted four straight elections, you know,

says blank is going to happen. And in every case, it's a really small sample size in every election. You know, they used to consider it almost an extreme scenario that you would have a popular vote and electoral college split like we just had. And I don't remember anybody predicting that Hillary would win by 3 million votes and lose the electoral college. But now that it's happened, it makes perfect sense. It's like, oh yeah, this is kind of baked in.

The Electoral College has a conservative slant because it gives more preference to rural voters, right? So knowing that, yeah, it's not—in the simulations they run at 538, they've got somewhere, I think Biden wins by like six points and still loses the Electoral College. Biden wins by like six points and still loses the electoral college because of so many of the votes are concentrated in California or whatever states he flips and then Trump narrowly wins all these others and that can do it it's mathematically possible it's just that virtually every other polling agency other than this guy disagrees because the whole the whole concept of people being reluctant to give like an unpopular answer. That's been, that's been a part of polling methodology going back to the dawn of polls.

Like this is a, an ongoing problem. They actually have algorithms where they try to account for it. I've got a link here. We can include in the footnotes or whatever from five 38 when they talk about that, the issue is not one it's i don't know how many trump supporters you know they tend to not be shy right and and this guy's saying well

yeah but in a blue state they'd be afraid to admit that they're but these polls are not conducted on the street in front of their their liberal friends they're they're often anonymous online surveys. And a blue, a Biden supporter in deep red Alabama, you could say the same thing. They're afraid to come out. It's like, that's a place where you put a Biden sign in your yard and somebody's going to shoot it with a shotgun. So again, the reason people like this narrative is because of this kind of thing that liberals are so mean to Trump supporters and the cancel culture and whatever they throw around. These people are so vicious that everyone's afraid to admit they support Trump. I mean, Trump is running ahead of a lot of Republican Senate candidates. He's running ahead of Congress.

So if that's the case, you would think you would have those same Republicans saying, oh, yeah, I support blank for Senate, but I won't vote for that filthy criminal Trump, even though they secretly are. You're not getting that. You're getting the opposite answer. So anything can happen. Again, every time you say something like this on Twitter, you immediately get a wave of answers like, don't get complacent. Please don't get complacent. I'm telling you, there are many, many motivated Trump voters. It's just that it would be much weirder if he won now than if he had then won in 2016. 2016 was unlikely.

I think if you redo that election, he wins it three times and loses seven. This time, it would be much stranger. So just going off of 538, because I agree their methodology is more valid than a lot of the other ones. They're still, and I think rightly so, they still have a sizable chance that he wins. It's not, like it's 13 in is is what they currently have it at they currently give him a 8 and 10 chance that biden wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college so wait 8 and 10 that he wins the popular sorry sorry 8 and 100 so 8 and then 5 chance that trump wins both the electoral college and the popular vote right

so that's what happened the first time i think we look for polls to do something that they can't do like last time i think heading into the election it was high 30 chance that trump would win so he's still an underdog but that's not that much of an underdog. Like if a baseball player going up to bat, bats over 300, that is a good hitter. You are not surprised. Yeah, you're not surprised at all if he gets a hit. And this is a 1 in 10 or a 13 in 100 chance is not likely, but it's also, you know, it's a thing that sometimes happens. Like if a pitcher gets up in baseball and gets a hit like you see that all the time,

that happens all the time if you watch a lot of baseball. So I don't know. I just think that like anything can happen. Those states that he talks about trump winning like that that are being granted to biden are all very close in the 538 uh polling averages and even if trump wins texas ohio georgia iowa north carolina arizona and florida he would still lose if biden won pennsylvania all right he has to be it has to basically sweep everything where he's down by a few points right so you need a polling error that is somehow wrong across demographic groups across states which again which happens yeah i mean they've made the point uh that when it's not like these are all independent variables right it's not like these are all independent variables, right? It's not like if suddenly he overperforms by six points in Ohio, it would require him to equally unlikely overperform by

six points in Pennsylvania. It's like, no, they're responding to the same condition that was true across Ohio and Pennsylvania and Florida, which is what happened in the last election. But those are all things they take into account. They're all things that can happen, which is why Biden, they were not the ones who in the 2016 election were like, yeah, Trump has less than a one in 100 chance of winning. They were like, no, it's like he's an underdog, but it could easily happen. And it did.

They were, yeah. Some of the pundits, the way they were talking, it felt like the halftime of game six of the NBA finals were like, the Lakers were, had such a lead. We're like at halftime.

They're like, yeah, credit to the Miami heat. They really, they were really fought hard. And I was like, yo, yo,

don't do this shit right now. Like let the game fucking end. And it has like this similar feeling but yeah i think i think most people still have that trauma of feeling like the polls are accurate and i think at the end of the day all you can do is just try and uh get as much turnout as possible but the one thing anything can happen the one thing i think they're vastly underrating that they say uh a four in 100 chance that the election hinges on a recount um i think that we're very likely to see trump and the republicans and fox news find a way to invalidate uh states where it's close or even not that close but they will find ways to throw question on a bunch of votes and claim voter fraud and you know it's just something republicans have done before

and this is an administration and a republican party that no longer is required to hide it when they're wrong or when they're doing something illegal. Like they have lost all, uh, you know, any tether to accountability. So why wouldn't they do that? Yeah. It's like a case where if, well, like, let's say you're in the NBA finals game where for some reason, according to some rule, we have to win by 15 points. Right. Yeah, exactly. It can't be close. We can't win by one vote.

I don't know if the Republicans in your audience hate it if I keep saying we like we're on the part of the Biden administration. But it's a case where it has to be a big – it doesn't have to be a landslide but it's got to be enough that on election night we pretty much know and that there's not enough of a where there's not it's not close enough to trigger any recounts or anything like that it's got to be you know seven points in pennsylvania you know maybe three points in florida like where even if all those that where they won by two one two three points where it still wouldn't get him to 270 or whatever. It's got to be an overwhelming victory. So it's, yeah, that's what I'm nervous about.

It would be stunning to me if Trump got more votes. That would mean something truly weird had happened. And especially the fact that 10% of the people have already voted. There's something like 17 million votes in already. What I'm more alarmed by is that it's it has to be by a comfortable margin if you want this to do what it's going to do which is truly be a rebuke to trump and truly send the message that doing it the way trump did it is not a model for future republicans like having you know an attorney general that's just your

attack dog like this is not a model that works. I don't want Tucker Carlson to be out there dreaming of running in 2024 as like Trump, but a little bit more media savvy, a little bit smarter and younger. I don't want that. I want it to obliterate the idea that this is a good way to function as a president. Yeah. That is a thing that's being talked about a lot on the right is Tucker Carlson, the future Republican presidential candidate.

I mean, he'll do great. Yeah. He's, uh, I mean, he probably will. I mean,

he will because there is some actual, like, you know, racist asshole with his shit together. That's looking at Trump. He's like, you're fucking this all up, man. Yeah. He's like, this isn't how you do it. It could have been so much worse if Trump actually knew what he was doing.

Yeah, exactly. And I know those people are rubbing their mitts for another bite of that apple. Right. Tucker Carlson's already done the populist economic thing that trump like made uh head fakes towards populist economic policies but didn't uh embrace them at all and still yeah it's funny because then tucker carlson was like why is it a surprise now that millennials prefer socialism well if you look at the economics of it and like he's it's like he's smart enough to know like where what the motivations are generationally and i think that's where that And I think that's where it gets dangerous.

Because if some people are like, well, you know, Tucker Carlson got a point about that. I mean, I'm not a person of color or in a marginalized group. But what he's saying about my class thing, that's facts. And he knows how to be a messy bitch who loves drama. He accused the Nework times of giving away like doxing him oh yeah okay give it a rest yeah uh all right jason it's been uh a pleasure as always having you here on the show where can people find you follow you read you uh where are you at i have a new book coming out this week that is on shelves. You

cannot miss it because it is titled Zoe Punches the Future and the Dick. I want to see that shit on the New York Times bestseller list next week, you guys. Go buy this shit. That would be the dream. I know that the New York Times can pick and choose what they want to be on their list because it's not a list of sales. They kind of decide what's going to be on there. So that's fine. But yeah, that would be the dream. Otherwise, no.

The cover, it takes place in the future. It's a sci-fi novel. It is strangely relevant to things that are going on today that's why it has a title that fits the tone of 2020 because that's where we are as a culture uh is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying this is a tweet from at b kratz who simply said sociopaths are always so smart in movies and tv that you forget they can also be dumb yep if you want to a lesson for the future from this era that would be it you can be a sociopath and also a moron trump was never playing four-dimensional chess uh he just had that narcissism hack the that can take you a long way in america but not but

only so far uh miles where can people find you and what's the tweet you've been enjoying uh twitter instagram at miles of gray the other podcast for 20 day fiance if you like that 90 day talk uh some tweets that i was perusing first one's's from from Yedoya Travis Pasquez. He says, White people? How do y'all get in Tyler Perry movies? This is a very interesting question. I also wonder about that. Another one is at no power raid in USA

tweets, Hey babe, I really appreciate you taking birth control even if it fucks you up. It just feels really good on my penis and I wear a condom for the 15 minutes of sex we have twice a week. And then another one from at Colin Barrett 82. It's kind of a reference to what we were talking about earlier. Massive respect to everyone still experiencing time as a linear sequence.

Add that one to native. The living dead tweeted. White people have no culture. Oh, yeah. We'll explain cults. Add that one too. Nate of the Living Dead tweeted, white people have no culture? Oh yeah, we'll explain cults. And then Marcel Arguello tweeted, can't wait to have Alzheimer's and forget everyone around

but still know all the words to nothing but a G thing. Which is definitely where I am headed. And then finally, Merrick K tweeted my cousin Vinny more like my cousin Vinny's hot fiance. Oh shit, real quick.

Before we go, we got to figure out what we're watching. I'm going to be out Monday. Apologies for that. So this will be Tuesday. Again, there's another one where you get a little bit of extra time to check out what we are going to be watching on Netflix I you know what's weird for the first time I saw like a social video like a social media ad for a Netflix show and I wanted to watch it and that was

the cabin with Bert Kreischer well that qualifies it is that number six in the netflix top 10 uh we got the haunting of bly manor number one qb halloween hanging tough number two emily in paris number three apparently i quit before emily starts just having sex with everybody in paris so i have to keep going on that one uh four shits creek five the 106 the cabin with burt kreischer seven evil eight money ball i guess that just became available nine cocomelon and then ten that uh really darn ain't going away yeah cocomelon's gonna be here uh when we're all gone but yeah so you were saying the cabin with burt kreischer appealed to you what what what's the premise here it's just him and like a bunch of comedians actors it looks like they're just getting like fucked up in a cabin like smoking cigars having What's the premise here? It's just him and a bunch of comedians, actors.

It looks like they're just getting fucked up in a cabin, smoking cigars, having some drinks. But the thing that I saw was this stand-up named Miss Pat. She comes on. There's an episode with Joel McHale and Kaley Cuoco, and they're having drinks, and they're talking about their own careers. and they're having drinks and they're talking about their own careers. But then there was a moment where Miss Pat, she's like,

I don't really fuck with Big Bang Theory. Wait, Kaley Cuoco is the star of Big Bang Theory, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Joel's like, dude, it's literally the most popular thing of all time. And then Kaley was just sort of trying trying to be like oh i'll send you the box set so you can watch him she's like no you know what honey i don't think i'm uh i'm gonna really mess with that and then she said some shit about being like uh she's like it's too smart and i'm not dumb but it's corny i just can't get into it and then just said when i heard y'all were

making a million dollars an episode i was like who the fuck is watching this show to pay these people a million dollars an episode straight to kaylee cuoco's fucking face yeah so i was like yo you got me i love just when you just see people being like i don't give a fuck right i'm gonna talk to you like i'm not gonna you know it's a you know it's a little spicy obviously you're disrespectful but kaylee cuoco like just sort of crumbles yeah and i'm part of like whatever just go cry on your mountains of cash just forget about it all right so we're watching that then we're watching the cabin with burt kreischer we'll watch a handful of those eps and uh talk about that he's got quite the backstory too so we got a lot of yeah you were saying a lot to talk about. He's the inspiration for Van Wilder. Yes, and Oliver Stone fucking literally

optioned his life rights to make a film about him. Party that hard? Or party that smart? Party that smart, dude. FSU, bro. Shout out Coach Bobby B. Shout out.

Shout out Snoop Minnis. Did he play for FSU? Who? Snoop Minnis. I don't know. Anyways, we're going to talk more about Burt Kreischer's party biography and what he gets up to at the cabin with Burt Kreischer. All right.

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We ride out on miles. What are we riding out on today? We were talking about Canada. Now I'm talking about a canadian group from ottawa called gar songs and this is a track called ladybug and they're got you know they're like sort of they they span many genres but it feels like a little bit of prince a little bit of outcast a little bit of kid cuddy um this track ladybug has just got this got good feels to it and a little

guitar playing and some falsettos. So check this one out, Ladybug by Gar Songs. I feel like Kid Cudi is one of the more influential artists who didn't have a ton of mainstream hits but everybody who makes music

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