The Daily Zeitgeist - German History Buff or Nazi Fan Boy? 04.11.23

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

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it feels good to talk again. I hadn't spoken since I was last on the show. Took your vow of silence. The chords are a little creaky here, but this is Again, I hadn't spoken since I was last on the lake. Took your vow of silence. Yeah. Wow. The chords are a little creaky here, but this is still a production of iHeartRadio. This is still a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday, April 11th, 2023.

That can't be right. That's too far into the future. National Submarine Day. Is it? National 8-track day. National Cheese Fondue Day for my people stuck in 1982. Get your fondue fountains ready. I haven't had fondue. Have you ever had

fondue? I've had fondue. When was the last time you had fondue? It's been years. I feel like I had it in 1989, like when I was 5 years old and i've never had it since yeah i mean i think a lot of people put their fondue sets away and they just haven't haven't been back out hey the cheese always seemed very like light and i don't know i don't know what that cheese was i think if it had been queso, I think I would have been more. That's our American fondue, basically.

Right. It's queso. You know what I mean? Texan fondue. Without the, like, stainless steel skewers and stuff that just dip pieces of bread in. Right. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien,

a.k.a. Swollen Thighs, swollen sweet little thighs. That just popped into my head right before we started recording. And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Hey! You know, let's just put the emphasis on Jack's return. I am merely just, I'm still the 818's Lord of Lancashire.

I am here with the Geist Child in the other room. Her Majesty has gone back to work, and you are going to begin to see or hear Miles do the balancing act of newborn child in the other room her majesty has gone back to work and you are going to begin to see or hear miles do the balancing act of newborn child in the other room while recording podcast rocking the baby in one arm right now shout out my mom who's who's came to hold him and give him some food right now but in upcoming episodes you may hear him in the fucking studio with me so prepare thyself for that for his podcast debut yeah Yeah. Shout out to the Geist Child. He has risen. He has risen. Yes. We're thrilled to be joined by a very funny creator, writer, performer who you've probably seen on TikTok. I was letting them know before

we started recording that when I wrote TikTok into my notes app, it auto-corrected to Fick Tom. That's how frequently I am referencing and talking about TikTok. That new app. He's gone viral talking about everything from performed mediocrity to the ratatousical. It's Widlin Pierre-Abel! Welcome! Welcome, welcome, welcome! Welcome, welcome!

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Great to have you. Great to have you. great to have you. Yeah. Where are you coming to us from today? We don't have to talk about this. Okay. Yeah, no, I'm in Portland, Oregon.

Okay, okay. Shout out to the PDX. I don't know how they landed on that acronym, but it's my first time here. I'm coming from New York to Portland for like two months working on some cool stuff. Okay, cool, cool. Is PDX their airport? Why are they so... Do they know that other cities have airports?

Because they're very proud of, like, just focused on their airport. They, yeah, they call it the PDX. They had like the blazers had a uniform that was inspired by the carpet in the PDX airport. Oh, I call it. It's like such a big part of the culture, which I don't know. I think I've been to the airport and it just,

it feels like an inadvertent time capsule a little bit like when you when you when you land you know when i landed on the they got off the plane everyone who i guess was a local when they were dismounting and they got into the airport they touched the ground one time they like kind of keyboated and did the sign of the cross i just just wanted to fit in, so I did it too. Yeah. Did you cross yourself too? Yeah, I did. It was really powerful. It was really powerful. Point up, yeah, take a little bit of green carpet,

cross yourself, and then give it up to the guy. They must be pretty proud of the airport, yeah, because I think the airport is PDX, but the PDX acronym, whatever, has transcended into so many other things. It's on trash cans and like graffiti everywhere they're so excited about the airport right it was good it was good it's the same thing i think like i was reading i'm i was right now i'm like where's the x come from it's

the same reason why we have lax lax yeah yeah where it's just international it's like a place hold but it's apparently like a placeholder oh Oh, really? Because P and D, like first and last letter of it, and then they put X. They said, this person said, in the 1940s, the IATA started assigning three-letter codes after an increase in airports led to a shortage of two-letter codes. Oh. So taking the National Weather Service symbol for PD, they added the X. I said Earp or so. It's like I'm australian or something several other airports i also added x2 like phoenix went to phx not because of the x at the

end of phoenix and then that's confusing don't use that example yeah all right that's funny because i was like no i mean it stands for international because international of course has an X in it. Wait, what? Where did my brain make that leap? In my mind, because you're crisscrossing. Yeah, you're crisscrossing the globe. Well, something like it's international, like exoticism.

There's something exotic about X as a letter in general. Oh, yeah. You know, it's like. Yeah, very like 1999 marketing. It's like PDX. PDX, X, X, X, X, X. I love that. It's extreme. yeah very like and like like 1999 marketing it's like pdx i also just love how yeah like becca's all in the chat because she used to live in portland she's like it's so fun and it's i every time i go i always stop by the pendleton like kiosk and i'm like do i buy the big lebowski dude sweater this time i'm in the portland airport i always do this thing where I'm like,

I look at it on the rack and I'm like, I might do that. Nope. I was definitely underselling the Portland airport. There is a movie theater in the airport. I love that. I did see that. I watched the Big Lebowski. It was my first time.

Perfect. And they're like, please exit through the gift shop where you can buy the sweater you just saw. You're like, how American? All right, Whitlam, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the fun things we're talking about today. Just have a follow up on the Clarence Thomas story, the ProPublica story that I know you guys talked about last week. But the Wall Street Journal came to weigh in on things.

They basically nothing to see, hear the whole thing in a way that I thought was kind of funny. There's also emerging details about, is his name Harlan Crow? Yeah, it is. They conscripted better. Fucking rules. harlan crow yeah it is they conscripted better fucking rules uh that is chef's kiss best fictional name for that guy yeah just written in reality well done we're also going to talk about the no labels party because yeah you know they're going for it yeah they're we're we're tired here on the daily zeitgeist of the extreme right and also the extreme left like joe biden joe biden

is their definition of the extreme left yeah yeah yeah so we'll talk about what what their whole thing is because you're going to be hearing more and more about the i think so the no labels party yeah it's not a front for corporate greed at all. We just don't like labels and we're using that to fucking. It's like the fuck boy thing. I don't like to put a label on anything, but to try and use that to get away with some shit. We don't put labels on anything. You sound like ethno-nationalists. No, we don't like labels.

We don't like labels, actually. We're a group of concerned Americans, I think is the most the label will give us. It's so funny that we don't like labels. We don't like labels, actually. We're a group of concerned Americans, I think is the most the label will give ourselves. It's so funny that they went with no labels. Anyways, all of that, plenty more. But first, Whitland, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? So literally the first thing that comes up,

and I might be telling myself in a bunch of different ways the lyrics to Never Too Much by The Vandross. Oh yeah. Never Too Much Never Too Much This is going to be a 20 minute run. There's some slap bass on the fucking uh for all my music lovers out there.

It's nasty. It's nasty. Yeah. But yeah, what, yeah, what, what, what, what, did you get hung up on some of the lyrics? No, you know, first off, yeah, there are so many lyrics because he's. Right. We've been telling like the deepest story in three verses, you know what I mean? Right.

From beginning to end of this romance, you know? I still remember all those days when I was scared to touch you. I was like, oh, no, whoa, whoa, where are we going? Yeah. But I'm in Portland doing a production of Choir Boy, which is a play by Terrell McCraney, who's like the resident playwright at Yale University, University of Yale.

I'm but a low-life creature who knows not the formal name of the Yale. I just know it as Yale. That's how you know your university's really made it is when it doesn't need a last name anymore. Yeah, Yale. Like Rihanna, like Prince. Right.

I only knew it was Fenty because of the products. I was like, oh, that's your last name? Okay. Oh, yeah. I'm finding that out now. I was like, oh, that's your last name? Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm finding that out now. I was like, oh, yeah, Brandon. That makes sense. There it is.

But, yeah, and, you know, he won the Oscar for Moonlight and so on. But he has a brilliant play called Fireboy that I saw in 2018 in New York. And I've been able to do a couple of productions in the last year. So I'm importantly doing it now. And it's about music. Music lives at the center of the show. It's like, it's a quote unquote play with music, not a musical. Allegedly.

Wait, what is the difference there? I'm because I'm not, I don't know the nuances of something. Oh, musicals have like, they're structured in a really particular way. There's something called the Rodgers and Hammerstein structure that like comes from the 1940s and 50s and uh and uh dramaturgically when you're thinking about the structure of how these things are built if you check a certain number of these boxes then they'll be like you're a musical and i guess also whoever wrote it gets to decide but the main tell is do you use psalm to compel what or does song just happen because it's cool and we like song right right right i like i think of that uh norm mcdonald

snl sketch where he's just the one person in the musical who doesn't know he's in a musical and everybody like breaks into song and he's like what the hell is that? What the hell is that? That doesn't have... The music, when people are singing it's not... It's the way people would sing in everyday life. It's not like they're just forwarding the plot. Oh yeah.

They're like diegetic and non-diegetic sound. There are times in musicals where people are conscious that they're singing because every musical now is like, we're bringing you all of Tina Turner's hits. It's like Tina Turner in the studio. But yeah, plays with music, usually it's people who are like, sit around the campfire and sing our old favorite song that dad used to sing something like that you are my shining star my guiding light my love fantasy i never oh you know these well you know them i i had to look up because i never knew i i always misheard love fantasy i was like your love

and tissy i like i couldn't the way he put some, you know, his own little funk on it. I was always mishearing love fantasy. I was like, am I love? I again, I was hearing it through a child's ears until later on. I was like, miss like singing it. And I was like, let me know what I'm saying out loud. Loving that tissy. Yeah. My love and tissy.

I know that's what I was like. I don't know, Luther. I'm nine. My love fantasy. It also made me think it also made me think like in the way that this production anticipates that the aunties will show up and like sing along. And I'm like, the whole bit is that I don't know the words in the context of the show. Right. In the way that they're like hoping these aunties will show up and be like love fantasy right right right you know i'm like when i someday i'll go to a play and i'll be like

or a tornado flew around my room you know exactly what is gonna be i've been thinking about you no no do you think about me still do you or do you not think so I've been thinking about forever that song in an arena Frank Ocean just puts the mic out for the part where he goes up like three octaves oh man I love it.

So you're performing. So this is a play you loved when you saw it. And then now you're performing in it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's a really dope full circle moment. I did it in new Haven and,

and, uh, you know, Terrell McCraney, the playwright got to participate and was really present in the room, wrote new scenes and stuff. It was like a really, I was like, whoa, a lot of loops are closing right now. So it was brilliant.

That's dope. Yeah. That's cool. What's something you think is overrated? Non-chain restaurants, I think. I think it's getting out of hand. PDX? You hear that, PDX? Yeah, because they don't have that here.

We don't care for your... It's all local stuff. Sparrow spelled a different way. What's Rabbo's? But I, you know, I just... Especially in the context of... Especially in the context of, like, you know, dating and, like, trying to get...

And this is going to sound so awful but I I'll start here I went on a road trip with my dad a couple months ago and he like doesn't eat a lot of red meat you know he's at that age where he's like I can't eat this I can't eat that I can't eat this I'm like okay great

but it was his birthday right and I'm like orchestrated this whole thing and he's like I want a steak really bad. Okay. Like, I just want a good steak. I'm like, fuck yeah, let's get that shit. Yeah. Yeah, I'm Googling.

We're in Chicago at the time. I'm Googling. I'm like, where's the best steak? Let me get it. We show up to this spot, and when I tell you they burned the steak and the vegetables were like chopped so pretentiously and like, you know what I mean?

It's like filet mignon, you know? And it's a non-chain. So it's taps like, you know what I mean? Right, right. So I'm like, damn, I'm upset. I'm like, you want me to pay for this? And I just like trusted these Yelp reviews that you probably paid someone to do. You know who never would have done this to me?

You know who never would have let me down? The Red Lobster. Outback. Yeah, Red Lobster. You know? Yeah. Everything's on a fucking timer. Like, it's so like they've completely taken out the humanity from cooking, like in those places that it's foolproof where it's like, yep, you store it at this temp.

So you can only, you know, put it at this side, this side, and then you get consistency. But I know. Yeah, I know that feeling. There are all these circumstances where it's like, I actually need things to go to plan, like very specifically. But I'm like, look, I just met this person. I really can't fumble with the restaurant being awful. Right. But I also can't take you to an Applebee's

and that's, it's getting, it's just so, I'm on- And that needs to change. I'm on Google reviews all the time and I'm so sick of them. Wow. Especially the people who don't use pictures. I'm like, put a picture up.

Yeah, you got to see what you're dealing with. I think also too, you know, great restaurant I was in Portland the last time I was there. I don't know if you've been there. It's like this Thai restaurant where they also have barbecue. They have a white brisket curry that was like, it's unbelievable. Okay.

I'll just say that. I got that tip from some Portlanders when I was out there. Can I ask you, how many locations do they have? They got one. No, I'm good. Oh, wow. We're out. We're out. They got one. No, I'm good. Oh, wow. We're out. We're out.

They got 72. They got 72 on the Northwest. If it was so good, there'd be more. If it was so good, they should have 700 locations. That's why McDonald's. Is it as good as McDonald's? Interesting. Yeah, Becca's on board.

Yeah, Becca spent time here. I will wait on a list. I actually am like, I haven't gotten to leave the couple blocks radius of where I'm staying. It is interesting. Portland is actually really dope. I've never lived in a place where you can look out the window and see mountains, which is

crazy. I'm from Florida. I shouldn't have said that on record. That's all right. We'll get through it. I'm from Florida. I shouldn't have said that on record. That's all right. We'll get through it. Please do. I know we said you could swear on this, but that was a little bit too far.

Content warning. I'm from Florida. What's something you think is underrated? Fall Out Boy dropped a new album. Fall Out Boy? Yeah, Fall Out Boy. The new album is good know it's good it's that you know but it just sent me back to you know according to them this new album is like a return to form you know kind of for their pre-hiatus work they're like yeah

this is you know this is the music that we would have made if we never took that break in 2009 or something. Wow. And then I went back and I listened to the music pre-hiatus and I was like, this shit is fucking... It sounds crazy to say that Fall Out Boy is underrated because I think they are

one of the most commercially successful rock bands in the history of the world. For sure. But how they're esteemed in like the mainstream or you know yeah i'm like yeah like you i'm like you should i should see more of you i feel like you know thanks for the memories and infinity on high like that's another band who i didn't know what the fuck they were saying that's no that's just valid that's valid we're going down i was like i used to be like i'm going down like and i was like i think that's what they're saying those are the

words right it's down in an earlier round and i was like what i remember because uh her majesty she like she was singing i was like wait what the fuck are they saying she's like you're going down in an earlier round and sugar i'm going down swinging i was like, wait, what the fuck are they saying? She's like, you're going down in an earlier round. And Snigger, I'm going down swinging. And I was like, what? Well, she figured that out? No, she was like a fan enough to know what the fuck the words were. But I'm more just going by if like, you know, it's in the background. I'm like, oh, it's that song. I used to, this is, I'm exaggerating, but I used to not like music very much.

You know, as a child. You know what I mean? I guess I was an actor. I don't know. You don't know. All right. I'm always like perplexed, too, when people like I've met one person who sincerely is like, I really don't like music. And I remember it was a date.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like on a date when I was like just getting out of college and I was so confused. I was like, is this like a contrarian take or whatever? And they're like, no, I just like, I mean,

it's fine, but I just don't find myself like ever wanting to listen to music. That's how I was until I was like seven. Essentially. Like I was like, yeah, music is cool. Like other people like music and I'll listen to their music,

but I had no opinions. I'll say I had no opinions. Got you. And I go to my public library, um, shout out to public library, savior public. Got you. And then I go to my public library. Shout out to public library. Save your public library. Yeah. And I picked up

this like blue CD album off it and I just took it home and it was Take This to Your Grave, which is like Fall Out Boy's like first or second like full length album, right? And that shit changed my fucking life. I had no reason to feel the angst that they were

trying like trying to get through but i felt it deep in my body you know i mean in my bones i did that shit was live right and so i'm indoctrinated deeply enough that now when people talk about not understanding the lyrics to sugar we're going down. For relatability reasons, I agree, but I know every word. Although, I don't need a translator for Patrick's stump anymore. I understand. That was the one, when I learned it, I bothered to know all those words because I

always, it was like one of those just like word salad things I just knew the sound of. And then when I figured out Loaded God Complex, Cock It and Pull It, I was like, oh, that's a great lyric. That's a bar. I know. I was like, whoa, okay. All right, fam. Loaded God Complex, Cock It and Pull It.

And I was like, okay, now I'm in. Now that I can sing along. There's another song that they've got where Pete Wentz, he says, I love you in the same way there's a chapel in a hospital. What? What? Yo! you in the same way there's a chapel in a hospital what what

yo shut up shut up that's a war are you kidding me hey man like it was never so serious until he took it there so this new album is like they're fully on the emo pop thing. Like they're, they're back in it basically. Yeah. You know, they're there. You know, it's not, they haven't taken it all the way back.

I think that they're like crossed a commercial. I don't want to say that they sold out. That sounds so annoying to say, but they're like, boy sold out, man. No, but they,

they, they're older now. They've like crossed the commercial threshold. And so like, you know, as much as they can, like, I can't imagine that this would have been that they're older now. They've crossed the commercial threshold. And so as much as they can, I can't imagine that this would have been their next step in a multiverse where the hiatus didn't happen. Right. But there's nothing like that last album

right before they took a break, while they did their crazy bangers. They're just doing something different. I'm going to peruse that back catalog now. Yeah, definitely. I'm going to beuse that back catalog now. Yeah, definitely. I'm going to be looking for other phrases that I want to get tattooed on my body. Like, I love you in the same way there's a chapel

in a hospital. That is a tattoo. Dude, could you get that on your throat? Really tight cursive. Red flag city, yeah. With like filigree around it to make it artsy do you want to see mine oh yeah let's see your throat yeah i've got it it's lower back is that okay oh yeah yeah yeah okay just let me pull up my waistband down a

little bit so you can see it it's right right above the tailbone. Yeah. Lower back Helvetica. Yeah. Ooh. Helvetica knew. Yeah. They were the deal on Helvetica. I'm thinking a church steeple with snakes going around it would be like a good, you know, little feature to go along around the words. I don't know.

I'm just spitballing here. Chime in or someone do some photoshop with uh us with our fallout boy lyrics tattoos on our on our all right let's take a quick break we'll come back and talk about some news news i'm jess casavetto executive producer of the hit netflix documentary series dancing for the devil the the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed. Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and LA-based Shekinah Church, an alleged cult that has impacted members for over two decades. Jessica and I will delve into the hidden truths between high control groups and interview dancers,

church members, and others whose lives and careers have been impacted, just like mine. Through powerful, in-depth interviews with former members and new, chilling firsthand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and extremely necessary perspectives. Forgive Me For I Have Followed will be more than an exploration. It's a vital revelation aimed at ensuring these types of abuses never happen again. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

And I'm Jemay Jackson-Gadsden. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline, a new podcast from LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts. When you're just starting out in your career, you have a lot of questions. Like, how do I speak up when I'm feeling overwhelmed? Or, can I negotiate a higher salary if this is my first real job?

Girl, yes. Each week, we answer your unfiltered work questions. Think of us as your work besties you can turn to for advice. And if we don't know the answer, we bring in experts who do, like resume specialist Morgan Saner. The only difference between the person who doesn't get the job and the person who gets the job is usually who applies. Yeah, I think a lot about that quote.

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these charter schools were exempt from that. Bigger than a flag or mascot. You have to be ready for serious backlash. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And so I know you guys talked about the Clarence Thomas

stories. We've learned so much more though since then. So this conversation definitely has to continue. It's what a story. First of all, shout out to ProPublica.

So Wall Street Journal over the weekend came through and they dove in to defend Clarence Thomas and the entire system that they believe in. Rich, rich guy supremacy, I guess. And their defense was to describe the events like while making a jerk off hand gesture, like seems to be, they're like, guy has a rich friend. So what? Then they just like quote big chunks of it and act like that. What they described isn't just beyond the pale for someone who's on the

highest court in the fucking way. The piece is loaded with words and phrases intended to convey that this is all somehow disreputable. Wait, this is from the Wall Street Journal article, and then they're quoting words from... Super yacht. Luxury trips. Exclusive California all-male retreat. Sprawling ranch. Private chefs. California all-male retreat, sprawling ranch, private chefs, lavishing the justice with gifts and more.

None of those is elaborate. A super yacht, I'm pretty sure, is probably legally defined as when you're selling your yacht. I'm sure there's a designation of super yacht that you have to, or a private chef is different from a non-private chef. That's not a lavish overuse of adjectives. That is what it is. Yeah. When I was buying and then when I sold my first super yacht.

You tell us. That's why I brought it up. I saw that TikTok. There was a great TikTok you did about it. It was part of a brand sponsorship. It was like a super yacht yeah you tell us that's why i saw that i saw that tiktok that was a great it was it was part of a brand sponsorship it was like a super yacht super yacht super yacht expo um yeah yeah coming to clearwater florida this summer get your ticket actually just super lot super yacht ants now right right right exactly it's easy for any person to have it but i think i mean from watching uh below deck i think it's like 70 like 80 feet or something is when it's super yacht i'm sure and then

mega yachts like beyond that but whatever either way we're just saying seeing that he took him on a yacht trip and we're like and it's big so we're gonna call it a super yacht. Yeah. That's what it is. It's detailed, so you can understand what the context is. Claiming a private chef is like, whoa, guys, lay off. It feels like it's written by people who are like, I don't like to think of him as my private chef. He's really part of the family. Who does not eat with us. On the property. He does not eat with us.

He's not allowed to make eye contact with us but the fuck are you looking at mark his shed is really nice though his shed is super it's yeah and they've got a table in there and yeah based on the previous owners when we bought this plantation we found out that the shack that he actually stays in was for some of the other helpers previously it's really it's just very whimsical and it used to be a great generations of people who have been in that facility. It's very quaint. Very quaint. He loves it. And they also come in and say that he technically

doesn't have to disclose any of this shit, which... I'm sorry? Okay. But, like, their whole article seems to be based on the premise that people don't have a right to know that he hangs out with a guy who collects hitler memorabilia we'll get to that in a second but like and takes

him on massive trips and has like a very clear political bent that is sending him in a or that happens to coincide with this wild direction that has sent america in a very anti-democratic direction like and this like self-described like balls and strikes philosophical instrument is actually made up of you know people who are being courted constantly by people with like very extreme right-wing political opinions like that that feels like relevant information i don't give a fuck if like they've gotten to congress enough that like well technically they don't need to mention it it's still i'm glad i know it you know yeah i always suspected it but i'm glad that i now have the ability to know it and the fact that the wall street journals like this is their editorial board

this isn't this isn't like some opinion column this is the wall street journal like speaking with their full chest being like get out of here this is adjectival overkill and they're trying to you know make something a mega molehill out of or a mountain oh wow he collects nazi memorabilia why could it just be historical artifacts so even the pro-public article i don't think even mentioned this but no harling crow's house is full of hitler art like art made by hitler. And it's important to note that it's hanging on a wall next to, like, a Norman Rockwell painting. Oh, shit. He's even got, like, check out my teapot. Look, it's got A and H on it.

Guess whose it was. Like, yeah, you have Hitler's fucking, like, private teapot. And you're like, just for, I'm just into history. I'm not a stealth Nazi. Not to play devil's advocate here, but are they aliens? Are they family? Was it his

grandfather's? I'm sure maybe his people were there. Did he storm the eagle's nest and get that? Maybe that's his to have i don't know or he oh he bought it at auction oh yeah yeah yeah has it next to yeah like a norman rockwell and also like a george bush painting yeah like george w bush which like the reason i i'm assuming

he's not putting those up next to each other to make a point about George Bush. He's not being like, yeah, Bush did 9-11. Am I right, folks? He's probably up here being like... He's like, he did that shit. Yeah, look at that. He's bigging it up. You know he also has Sitting Bull's death mask?

He's the one who has Sitting Bull's death mask? I remember when some rich conservative billionaire got that yeah he has it he's the one who has it wow and they're like uh maybe that the lakota people should have that but there's like yeah check this shit out i got this too bro like he's he's got it all like any fucking thing you would be like, oh, fuck, this is Red Flag City. He's got it all. Yeah.

He has a whole garden of sculptures of like the worst dictators of all time. And the Dallas Morning News, like a reporter from the Dallas Morning News visited and were like, hey, what? What's your deal with all the Nazi stuff? Like ask the question that any human being would be like what's up with all the hitler stuff uh sorry a signed copy of mein kampf is one of the things that he has which is just worth noting signed by i i believe adolf hitler i believe the author you could have said an author signed copy of a German book.

Maybe, I don't know, maybe Obama signed it. I don't know. He would say that. He's like, it's actually Obama signed it. I feel like we're net zero if Obama signed it. This reporter came and like froze like this you know famously everyone's like what perfect

southern gentleman but when you ask about the Nazi art he gets visibly uncomfortable and doesn't have much to say on that subject which is interesting. Yeah. Because he's got it there for all to see. It is wild how like he's got it there for for all to see it is wild how like

there is like this one conservative opinion writer who like when i think patriot takes was like tweeting out images of his like garden of evil that has like stalin and other people and shit in it that this guy comes in he said it's not a tribute to evil or something to be mocked it's an attempt to commemorate the horrors of the 20th century in the spirit of never again. Harlan Crowe is a deeply honorable, decent and patriotic person. He's not the straw man Thomas haters are trying to make him. Right, right, right. Never again. But unless you come here and you can look at it again and again, right. Rather than just be like, yeah, I don't know what they mean by that. I mean, I understand that we always use that in like terms like of like, you know, you know, theust is like the most famous one that we think about especially

in the u.s or something like that or we do like never forget but it's like so hollow especially when you put it all together with like his political bend his love of nazi stuff which i don't think there's ever been a person who unless you're like in charge of a historical collection for a museum right i don't know how you collect nazi stuff and it's not because on some level you're like romanticizing it and because you're like i love these little treasures from this time i wish i was living in i mean especially like like when you you pair that with like the hyper exclusivity that you know that a man like this like keeps in terms of who has access to seeing these things and who's

invited into his private spaces and who's intimately like related to him enough to to see them there's like a valor in the way that he's displaying them all these pictures like of that the pictures of the hitler merch it looks like i mean it's like not on display it's like it looks like something he brought out of a briefcase. Cause you, cause you, you know, he made a joke.

He really liked that. His dinner party or something like that. He's like, wait, you're cool. You want to see something? Yeah. Oh no.

Yeah. Here, pull on the 14th tooth of this skull. That's crazy. Yeah. Oh shit, dude. What is all this crap?

Yeah. Uh, let me just put in the code for my vault here one four eight eight okay great click open you don't say the vote code live can we can we cut that out i know well here's the thing i'm like really it's surprising though too how little the democrats are doing to be like this like we have to do everything we can obviously there's no way they can impeach him because they don't have the fucking votes for that. But like to just sit when one person was like, I don't know if the American people have an appetite for another Supreme Court controversy. And that's why we'll just like sit on it.

You're like, wow, wow, wow. The Brett Kavanaugh thing was counted against us. That's what the implication of that is that we were that that's our fault and we the people are mad that they had to be dragged through it rather than yeah they i mean you skipped over and he thought on anything better yeah i mean that was another just right through the door but i think it's it is really something that has to be like uttered over and over again, because between this and Jenny Thomas, you're like,

yeah, the fuck on these people are so fucking flagrant. It's just, you know, and I think that's part of his little way of feeling like, like you can't take me down. You tried to do that at my confirmation and fuck you. Like,

I'm just on my own shit. Like I'm, I think he's just feels he's invincible and now When you have the backing of people like this And like you're chumming it up with like Leonard Leo Of the Federalist Society You're like come on like you're seeing them All hang out in the fucking like

Evildoers lair together Yeah but of course and like how a lot Of conservatives will do like I'm just seeing Some friends hanging out on A on a fishing trip and you're like these are the architects of our judicial fuckery yeah getting together like again they love to take this is like the new thing that i'm seeing a lot of it's not just not just with the clarence thomas thing a lot of like oh so what he did like it was a paperwork error for

like trump's indictment or something like that it's all just trying to take everything out and just distill it down to a thing every person could relate to you know and it's yeah it also it also makes me think of there are these uh they're these like tiktok i mean it's it's so funny they're the children, man. I work on it a lot. So I have a little TikTok if you haven't had. But I think it's so like every time I see what the kids are doing, I'm like, you're tapped into something crazy. You know what I mean? You're tapped into something incredibly brilliant, like comedically or like philosophically or something. like philosophically or something like I think that I just think it's really impressive the way that TikTok fosters community and encourages young children to like really process differently,

you know, the world and the way it's happening around them. But there are there's a trend where the this like AI voice modulator, you can take on the voices of different people and so all of these videos have come out of like donald trump barack obama ben shapiro whatever different political pundits that you would expect would be on opposite ends of of the spectrum coming together and they're like they're like playing minecraft together or they're like debating a pokemon tier list you know right and and in a way it's like oh this is ridiculous but also like the thing the great unifier there is a unifier amongst all of these men like there is something the way they're both invested in like imperial interests you know what i mean and in

capitalist interest in uh preserving this union as it is, right? Right. There is a lot in common between Shapiro and Trump and Obama that would bring them together. That's definitely going to happen before I ever hop on a Twitch stream with, again, Joe Biden. That's way more likely. Like, they have a group chat. I'm never going to be in that group chat. I'm here with my proletariat people.

Right. And it's like, yeah, at the end of the day, I'm like, Franz Thomas does Superyacht with his buddies. I'm sure he does. Oh, yeah. And his buddies collect... Think Hitler was an underrated artist. They're like, I'm just saying.

You look at some of the brushwork. But it's... Yeah, to your point, Miles, like, they want to get real up close and, like, question the grammar in the article pointing this shit out. And it's just like, just take a take a step back, try and take a historical view of this. this and we have somebody who was a driving force behind doing a wildly anti-democratic thing an overturning row and his wife tried to overthrow the last u.s presidential election and he's hanging with a guy who collects hitler and dictator art and like leonard leo from the federalist society it's a very clear picture i don't like, yeah, I might not know all the legalities or what's going to hold up in a fucking impeachment hearing. But I think it's pretty, it's painting a pretty clear picture. It's like the same way you think of like how chummy Clinton was with like the finance industry.

Yeah. And why Wall Street was deregulated on his, on his watch. Because he's just, he's talking to the homies and he's like, oh yeah, okay, sounds like that. Okay, I might be able to do that for you. That's something you get with access to me. And I actually agree on your worldview because I'd rather maintain the status quo that the richest people can extract as much capital out of wherever the fuck they want to until for as long as they'd like. And in this sense you know all of these guys are getting together with their ideas about how to you know restrict power and consolidate it

in very small places and you know have a real wonderful plutocracy formally and i think yeah all of it together is is definitely uh disconcerting but i think with them with like the wall street journal and these other politicians again they they know how bad it looks so all they're doing is they're figuring out what's our response to this that is seemingly reasonable and gives people who take our takes open mouth uncritically that they can just start regurgitating out into the world and start saying oh so what he those are his friends what do you want him to do not hang out with his friends he can't have friends and you're like that's not what this is about but way to just completely you know reconfigure what the actual point of outrage is to just bring it down to something

very simple and it's also interesting too because they doing like we've talked about it i've kept joking about in the context of them like de-racacializing like the rosa park story in certain textbooks it's like yeah they'd love to just make that also about a woman sat in a bus seat she shouldn't have but because she was because of who she was we won't even mention race and then it all worked out and you're like what is that story even at this point someone who was on a bus and you're like yeah moving on that's all it was was on a bus and you're like, yeah, moving on. That's all it was. It's a story about buses mainly, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can all agree on that. And a really rude man.

It had nothing to do with segregation. Or this really rude woman who just wouldn't follow the rules. They might be, but that might be the spin, actually. Yeah, and nothing came of that. Okay, we'll just leave it there. We don't know her name.

It makes me think of, have y'all read, you haven't, I'm sure you haven't, because you're not children. Do you remember Rainbow Fish? No, I'm old. I don't think so. I was working in public schools for a while and was with a kindergarten class and

they were like, it's time! Usually our teacher reads us a book from the shelf. And I was like, ah, shit, Rainbow Fish. Oh, the book, the Rainbow Fish. Yeah, I was like, oh yeah, Rainbow Fish goes hard. Yeah, she goes hard. So I pull it off and I'm thinking I'm going to read this really wholesome

story. But it totally made me reflect on like how these stories, like so a political under, they have a political underbelly, right? It's like this fish has beautiful rainbow scales. And the moral of the story is that a wise octopus tells the rainbow fish, if you want to live peacefully amongst your community and belong there, you have to literally shed these rainbow scales off of your body and give one to each of your community members so that you can all homogenize.

Otherwise, you'll never belong here. They'll never accept you. And like the kids are like, I'm like, what do you guys think of that story? They're like, Rainbow Fish did the right thing by assimilating their autonomy to assimilate. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know. Are you sure? Yeah, we want to fit in and nothing else. It's like, I don't know. Do you think that she should have given the bus seat up? It's like that's clearly how the story is going to be written.

Right. Very good. And then because you see how much like when you like look at these books that are supposedly outraging parents and stuff they're all they're always the ones that are about like inclusivity right yeah inequality and then you know that's like i just don't i just don't want these messages taught to my kids because that you guys are getting them too early with these books and they start telling me that i'm being discriminatory or racist. What the fuck is happening? It's like, fuck you. Oh, so.

So you thought you would go study early childhood development that you could get the jump on me. Fuck you. Right. I'm pulling my kids out. They're going to the charter. Right. Right. Home school.

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We're so excited for you to hear our brand new podcast, Señora Sex Ed. Listen to Señora Sex Ed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And we're back. And you mentioned the Clintonian Democratic Party, which I'm starting to think I can picture some candidates who might be a good fit for this no labels party but why don't you tell us what the what the no labels political party is and what what it means for 2024 yeah we've brought it up in the context of like they announced that they're like there needs to be a unity ticket we're like get the fuck out of my face you who you okay go over there and do that but that's not what people are interested in. Anyway, so they're saying, like you were saying in the intro, they're like, you know, we need an alternative for people that are fed up with the extreme right and extreme left. And really, I just want to just before I, you know, get into it, it's really you should just look at it like this. They're a fucking front group for billionaires and other corporate interests. That's all this thing is. And that they're using this fucking label, like no labels thing to try and act like we're not here to cape for corporate

interests. We're just trying to say like, is there like a middle ground between like fascism and like affordable housing? Right. Is there we can find, can we do something like that? And right now, the narrative that people are seeing is just like that they have $70 million and they're merely just looking at the possibility of entering the 2024 race. But observers have began raising alarms that they're basically using loopholes to skirt campaign finance laws that would have them disclose who exactly is funding this BS, aka corporate interests, without getting into the wonky policy of it all. Essentially, what is going to happen is these wealthy people are going to pull their money together and then secretly pick a candidate that they feel will toe the line.

And the loophole they're exploiting is they don't have to disclose any of their donors until they've formally nominated a candidate. So it's not until- Who controls those laws about campaign finance and what gets disclosed? Is that the Supreme Court? Yeah, they had a hand in that. Yeah, a few decisions. Citizens United might have helped up. But there's another decision in 2010 that relates specifically to this loophole. But yeah, we know about dark money and how it fucking infiltrates everywhere. So it's going to be very, very murky up until then. But if you're like, it makes sense

that people want an alternative, keep in mind that this group has been making it rain on corporate members of Congress since 2010. Recently, you probably saw their handiwork in the Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema doing fuck all and standing in the way of nuking the filibuster, they were basically elevating them spending money on like their reelections, doing whatever they can to support them, as well as Josh Gottheimer, who's another Democrat, Democrat, who's in the problem solvers caucus, which again, is just a loose assortment of corporate Democrats and Republicans who are just like, Look, dude, we're here to just do whatever the fuck you guys are asking us. And we'll do it under the guise of we're solving problems but it's because we answer to the same people which is our very wealthy benefactors so anyway this is like the thing that's getting really murky though right

is that we you know that a third party ticket in 2024 would most only benefit the gop and no labels doesn't even have like an articulated policy agenda yet or a platform. All their website says is vague shit about Americans not wanting these extremes and that it's for people that get that America isn't perfect, but it also isn't that bad. And so they've basically taken like the mob boss approach here and said that they won't run a ticket unless they feel that the parties are not coming close to addressing here and said that they won't run a ticket unless they feel that the parties are not coming close to addressing the quote issues that their quote supporters are passionate about so it's basically like hey i'd hate to ruin a an election here if you guys

don't you know maybe soften this extremist shit and see what the fuck we can do to you know help out the the corporate interests even more so, like in a more aggressive way rather than we already have between the two parties. But is this like, so Andrew Yang tried the forward party, right? Where he was trying to be like, we need to get rid of the far left and the far right and just move forward. That's the only direction I care about. And nobody there there was no support for it so i mean it it feels like the place that a force like this has had the most success operating is behind the scenes right yeah 100 is that they've been doing is their proposal

they're they're gonna keep operating from behind the scenes but just add a candidate to to the the mix as a third party candidate or are they trying to like formally get something together where they're like this this is our like no labels is no no kind of edgy sounding party no they're they're just there to fuck around okay you know and like like i said, they've been doing this since 2010. Yeah. And, you know, I'm trying to think who was like in the beginnings of that. I think like Michael Bloomberg, you know, just to have an idea of the kinds of people that were like palling around with them. Essentially, what it is, is no labels except, look, we're here to fucking keep the status quo.

That's really all it is. to fucking keep the status quo that's really all it is like we're not interested in anything that i think to them the extremes are disrupting the status quo especially as it relates to things like energy policy or the financial sector or taxes and things like that and that's why they've been you know slowly just uh pushing their influence since uh the last 13 years. So we've already seen what a no labels party looks like, and it is the obstruction of Joe Manchin and cinema and all that shit. Yeah, it's extremely frustrating

for everybody. Yeah, yeah, 100%. They're supposedly having a convention. They're going to have a nominating convention in April of 2024 in Dallas, but again, they're like, you know, we're still figuring it out, because if they said they were going to do stuff more like disclosures would have to happen so they're like playing this like fuck they're walking this line of like you're like we got all this money but you don't know where it's from and we won't tell you

and we don't have to until we nominate someone and then we only have to design we only have to disclose from that point forward, not retroactively. So it's very murky in this way. You're like, who the fuck is really pushing all this? But when you look at the kinds of people that are lining up, like Joe Lieberman and Susan Collins and these other people, you're like, oh, these people are just soulless husks of Congress people that are just there to do whatever that is asked of them from their donors the hunger the hunger games author huh the hunger games author i yeah suzanne collins love her work i love her work yeah and then like and then also like some of the people that are like behind the scenes that a lot of people are like oh who's like the ceo this woman nancy jacobson she was a main clinton fundraiser and her husband also a clinton campaign advisor and then you just have like again like joe lieberman who went from senator to fucking lobbyist and like

people like susan collins who talked many times like i don't think she knows she just reads a script basically when she's out there and it's working yeah that these are the kinds of people who are like might not be they're like well we're not really trying to do like ethno-nationalism but it's not gonna affect us if that takes over as long as like the tax benefits are secured you know and that's when you can kind of see the real cynical nature of how this group is moving but yeah the real threat to them is the left is any sort of leftist policy it's not the it's not the right no but that's the you know that's the bullshit smoke screen to act like they're they're truly somehow in the middle when they're like dude if they fucking like because if you think about the main things that they really

wanted to affect like even with the early joe biden like agenda it's like voting rights you know things to do with like our energy mix and like climate change then yeah why would you want to have like fairer elections if you know all the analysis that tells all these ceos and people that's like the numbers are shrinking for this kind of shit yeah like we got to figure out how to stay like because there's too many poor people that are starting to figure out that we're the ones making it the problem. Right. Yeah. I'd be interested to see like

what policies passed by the Trump administration they actually object to. What legislation? They love those tax cuts. Yeah. I'll tell you that. Those are working for them. But it also, uh,

Jack, I mean, I think, I think the bit that you gave about, about like a toxic boyfriend or something, you know, like, I guess not boyfriend.

There's no labels. Like it feels like, yeah, no labels. I appreciate you. It's a thing. It's like a thing. We're seeing each other.

Like one of those, we're seeing each other. So diminishing. It actually like a thing. We're seeing each other. A boyfriend is like one of those. We're seeing each other. So diminishing. It actually reduces down what we actually are. Yeah. What we are is eternal. Like, I love you in the same way there's a chapel in a hospital. That might be a terrible thing to tell someone.

I know. This is definitely a weapon that is going to be used on dating apps, or probably has been for years. But I think it just gets the jump on whatever, like the hypocrisy allegations, like you just have no there's no obligation to consistency

and so you can absolutely just cherry pick and pick and choose if there is a democratic or whatever policy that comes up that you're like oh actually that might that might be great for us you know what i mean it's like yeah yeah it is you're just you're it's so on the nose in the way that it's priming they're finding themselves to manipulate in the way that a boyfriend or partner or someone we're seeing we're just saying you know like something like a it's an entanglement.

An entanglement. An entanglement, yeah. In the same way that there's no writer good enough to come up with the name Harlan Crow, there is no satirist good enough to come up with a party that is the no labels party. It's just like, oh, come on, man. I don't like labels. Just to give you an idea on their website, oh, come on, man. I don't like labels. Just to give you like an idea, like on their website,

like what they're saying, there's like one tab that says insurance policy 2024. And they're saying no labels is insuring. Working to ensure Americans have the choice to vote for a presidential ticket that features strong, effective, and honest leaders

who will commit to working closely with both parties to find common sense solutions to America's biggest problems our strategy we are preparing for the possibility of nominating a candidate we have not yet committed to do so we will run only under the proper environmental conditions which must be met for us to proceed like you see how they're already being like here comes the blade the guillotine blades right oh it's only gonna come down with the right environmental fucking

conditions and then they go on to say our project will proceed down one of two paths the first the major parties wake up they see the growing voice and leverage of the common sense majority this that doesn't exist and nominate candidates and release policy platforms that cater to the needs of this majority instead of the wants of a partisan minority. If at least one of the major parties does this, there's no need or path for an independent unity ticket and no labels will stand down and double down on the great work we've been doing in Congress. Or both parties keep forcing the American people down a road they don't want to go and nominate candidates most Americans don't want to vote for. If this happens and no labels polling in the research show there is a path to victory for

a unity ticket to win the electoral college, then we will offer our ballot line to a ticket. Yep. And that ballot line again is being purchased through loopholes. That's why they have access to the ballot. Yeah, 100%. Something to think about.

I just like very mobbish about very much anticipate eagerly yeah it's it's really wild to like the the website is it's done in a way that's really unsettling because for the amount of money that goes in like they're using impact font like in certain parts and i'm like dude this looks like a fucking like science fair slideshow i made like in fucking eighth grade. But it's like no one has ever built infrastructure for an independent like no labels is building for 2024 in that you're buying as much as you can, like in terms of, you know, setting up this infrastructure. So anyway, they apparently think that there's no such thing as a spoiler candidate and it's all good. And this is actually what the people want. candidate and it's all good. And this is actually what the people want. So I think if you look at polling, most people are like, I don't know, y'all going to tackle inflation or affordable housing

or, you know, wage, wage stagnation. Are those, are those things on your platform or is it going to be like, well, we got to work with both sides here, meaning us, the billionaires and you the workers we talk a lot about or i i often say that america like if america is a human body it is allergic to like socialism and socialist ideals and i i think one of the first times i've like started thinking about that was when we were talking about like but clearly they just need like a third party candidate to the left of biden to like force him to the left and just knowing that like that could never happen and of course the alternative happens that yeah it's a candidate to biden's right right that right is trying to pull him further right because that's where the money is this kind of goes along with like our predictions

for this year that we're going to see the billionaire clap back of calling people who are looking like that call them out as like haters and now they're trying to make like they're trying to formalize their power by being like well we can just start king making outside of the two part parties like or use that threat to bring you in line and it's like i, huh, I wonder where that goes. Yeah. Stand to stand down, like explicitly using the, like stands down as a, you know,

yeah. Ideally we'd like to stay or whatever the, whatever the syntax was, but like that's right. And he had seen, that's a loaded God complex. If I've ever heard one, yeah.

Cock and they're ready to cock it and pull it. Much better call back to the Fall Out Boy lyrics that we were talking about up top. I think we're all pulling our fair share of weight here with the Fall Out Boy callbacks. Oh, yeah. It's been such a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you. Where can people

find you, follow you, all that good stuff? For the next couple of weeks, you can find me here in Portland at Portland Center Stage in Terrell Al-Makrini's Acquire Boy, directed by for the next uh couple of weeks you can find me here in portland at portland center stage and uh terrell mccraney's the choir boy directed by chet miller and i'm doing a i'm talking and i'm singing and uh and you might cry so bring your kleenex but other than that you can find me on my socials instagram and tiktok it's uh at not whitland Cause I thought I was cool in meta, but I was actually just 16.

So at not woodland everywhere. And yeah, that's, that's where I'm at. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Follow go,

go to thick Tom and check out woodland there. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying yeah yeah i um my hero academia is an anime that just had their season finale and um it's actually turned into there i guess the this like last little bit of their season that they just had has really turned into like a beautiful commentary on like patriarchal masculinity and kind of like the main character having to reform his idea of what his masculine like what he will do with this the show's about superpowers essentially and this character has inherited what is the greatest power in the world and his and um you know he's uh his idol who's given him the power was like always smile you gotta save people sacrifice yourself put your body last you know all of these like kind of toxic

self-destructive patriarchal ideals for masculinity and he isolated himself and he you know this character you're watching him deteriorate over time because he's like focused on the mission because he can't ask for help and you know all of his community comes together to like bring him home and bring him to the hospital and bring him back into their kind of their base right so in a weird way i'm like wow this is this is i don't know if this was intended by the people who wrote this but it's like uh it is kind of reframing and recentering what the beauty of that character was, which is that he was thoughtful. He was intelligent. He thought, you know, non-traditionally about problem solving and like didn't have to use brute force all the time.

And, yeah, they've really tied a beautiful bow here. And that's something that I love to see in anime in particular, but like all media you know so yeah my hero academia really dope nice where where is the suggestion where do you uh hulu you can stream it on hulu there you go or uh anywhere that you might watch any a youtube tv or something that's if you want to watch it in english a friend of mine i a friend of mine that i've just convinced to watch it was like yeah i'll do it but i i i can't do subtitles i was like oh watch it on youtube on hulu for the most part you can get through most of it in english also but do the subtitles you can do the subtitles get some japanese in your ears you know yeah yeah there you go miles how about you uh where can people find you how about me well jack it's real good to have you back.

Putting this thing right back on the rails because it was touch and go there for a while. I'm not going to lie. Coming back from parental leave, not sure what news was and what screaming is. But anyway, yeah, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. You can also find Jack and I on our basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad boosties. Whoa. Yeah.

Playoffs are coming. Playoffs are coming. And somehow my Lakers are going to be in the conversation with a little bit of bead of sweat goes down my face. And you can also check me out on four 20 day fiance where I talk 90 day fiance, but like really high with Sophie Alexandra. And then let's see a tweet i like

where was it uh oh this one's from sarah haji at kind of haji uh hagi uh tweeted i haven't gone to the dentist in a very long time parenthetical broke freelancer and uninsured uh i've got haven't gone in so long that when i told the receptionist how long it had been, she just went, oh, wow. Anyway, looking forward to seeing how far dentistry has come. I don't know why I always relate to like dentistry anxiety tweets or whatever, because I also have like this experience with my dentist where it's kind of like, oh, okay. It's been a minute. I'm like, I know fool. I know. I don't make me feel bad about it. I've been already hiding from this response in my

mind for the last two years. I'm back. Please just let's get to it and then tell me what the damage is and let me be on my way. I don't want to hear Oh, wow, Miles. It's really been a while, huh? These the same teeth as last time? It's been so long. I just said

you're still working with the same hold on whoa are these wood oh no the the only person that's allowed to shame me for not calling for a long time is like my aunt you know what i mean right i don't need it from you no exactly but that's the problem when you've gone to a dentist like since you're you had teeth that's my relationship because oh it's like family already. Anyway, shout out to him. Great dentist though. Great dentist.

Keeping my teeth good. There you go. Tweet I enjoyed EJ at EJ having fun. Tweet it. Regular people drive Kia Soles now by the way. It's not just hamsters.

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episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles is there a song i think people might enjoy i'm just look i found this japanese beat maker named bugsy and he is a fantastic like in the air like the vein of like dj crush or like nuja best like one of these sample making sampling beat making dudes and the boom bap levels of it are fantastic. This track is called Stonehead by Bugseed and just great samples and like all of the beats are just, I don't know, it just makes me feel

like I'm 16 and I need to like smoke a blunt in a Honda Civic and start freestyling. But these are fantastic instrumentals. But this one is called Stonehead. So check this one out by Bugseed. There you go. You can find that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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