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Episode Date: November 29, 2024

In episode 1784, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian and co-host of The Worst Idea of All Time and Til Death Do Us Blart, Tim Batt, to discuss… Social Media Ban Joins Gun Buyback As Thing in Australia That Americans Can Just Watch Jealously, Dictionary.com Names ‘Demure’ As Its Word Of The Year For 2024 and more! Social Media Ban Joins Gun Buyback As Thing in Australia That Americans Can Just Watch Jealously Dictionary.com Names ‘Demure’ As Its Word Of The Year For 2024 LISTEN: peekaboo (feat. azchike) by Kendrick LamarSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So listen to Moms Who Puck on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, the internet and welcome to season 366, your podcasts. Daily Zeitgeist Pod on YouTube. I don't think we have a new episode this week, but we got an old one and it's live. In person? That one was crazy. We were like, we should try a live episode. It's J'Kees, it's Miles.

We are in the studio together talking about Smokey the Bear and a lot of Jesus stuff. For some reason, every time we do a video episode, Jesus stuff comes up. I know, it's funny, because in the one with Blake, you referenced this, like, why does this always happen? But that, people don't real, people hadn't seen the Jackie's episode we did where it all kicked off.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Blake episode we were talking about, how, like, his, he claims that he was sacrificing by washing people's feet, but actually he was, he a freak. Yeah, he a freak, bro. And in this one, it's even worse, stuff that my parents would be even more ashamed to actually be able to hear me and see me say in this case. So glad to do that. It is Friday, November 29th, 2024.

I'm just remembering the day after Thanksgiving to everyone. Lick Friday. Yeah, it is. It is. It's a time to get those deals. There's so many weird just things that are just the day after thing. Like, obviously, there's like buy buy nothing day like discourage mass consumption. Obviously Black Friday to encourage mass consumption. There's also your welcome giving day. What the fuck is this? It's basically just saying hey, just say why don't we all remember to say you're welcome today,

which sounds like things are falling apart If you know I say that even when people don't say thank you. Okay. Yeah, I'm a big Yeah, you're welcome Someone they haven't even gone through yet. You're welcome. Well, I'm not I'm not going in there I'm not going in there. All right. You're welcome. You're welcome. Uh, it's also national date of American heritage day.

I think that's pretty important national day of listening and national flossing day. You got, you got it all. Oral hygiene, remembering the absolute, uh, decimation of, uh, indigenous people of America and getting a fucking sick deal on a flat screen. The American way. The American way. My name is Jack O'Brien, AKA hot frosty stud. I'm a keep on fucking the snowman.

That's dumb. I'm a get dig down by a carrot that comes. I want the ice dickle of the hot frosty stud, hot frosty stud. That one courtesy of Chrissy Yamaguchi, man on the discord. One of the greats to ever do it. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Hey, it's Miles Gray, AKA.

Sometimes I feel my name is ba-ba, Miles of Gray. My name is Miles Gray, AKA. Sometimes I feel my name is Bop Bop Miles of Gray. My name is Bop Bop Miles of Gray. Shout out to Hannah Ramick View. Hannah, been a minute. Oh, that is true about you also. What? Sometimes you do feel like your name is Miles of Gray.

Sometimes I do feel that way when I look on my social media handles. Yeah. And I do, I say it in public. When I go to Jamba Juice, name Miles of Grey. What is this, the year 2017? We've got an AKA from Kristy Yamaguchi man and Hannah Ramek view on the Discord. I know, the OGs.

I guess Discord put them around. But two of the oldest and finest. That was back in the Hannah Soltis era. That's right. Anyways, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined That was back in the Hannah Soltis era. That's right. Anyways, Myles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of our favorite guests. He co-hosts the podcast, The Worst Idea of All Time with Guy Montgomery's very funny standup comedian, TV writer, producer, chat show host. Welcome back to the show. The hilarious, the talented Tim Bell.

Hello. I want to give myself a singing name referencing intro as well. I want to be part of the crew. Where's your Tim bad. Where's your Tim bad. That's basement jacks for everyone. Under the age of. Where's your Tim bad.

Yeah. It's funny. That's not the first time we've started singing that song out loud because I love that. I love that basement tracks track too. Man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, to me. But where's your Timbatt? I mean, that's like, surely I can claim the throne. Hold on. Get him on the phone. Hey, can we work something out here? It's almost like two on the nose. Yeah. Yeah.

Tim, you're a dad, you're a father. Yeah. I've, I've, I realized I saw that on social media. Congratulations to you. Yeah. I think the last time you were on, you were expecting and congratulations. Thank you so much. Fatherhood. Uh, I've got two, one is seven months old and just got out of hospital.

The other one has a broken leg who is the house is a war zone. Oh no. How do you, what, how did, what kind of kid fall did your kid have to break the leg? This sucks man. Trampoline, which is an old classic, but he didn't even fall off. It was just, it was like half a dozen kids on there and an adult who now feels very bad. It wasn't me, uh, who accidentally double bounced him and it just kind of like a, like a ground shock up his leg and gave him a fracture.

And now he's got this cast that goes the whole way up his leg. The double bounce was so powerful. It broke his leg even without jumping. Without his three is, but you know, we don't even know if something is candy canes at that point. Exactly. So what kind of, uh, what kind of litigation yen? Well, what's your, uh, what's your lawyer doing to sue that motherfucker?

Jake, we're- Oh, I'm sorry, you're not in America. We're not so base. We're not so base and crude as you Yankees. We have a different system here. Brother- Vix would see that leg break and my eyes would turn into dollar signs. Yeah.

Oh yeah, I would just tell Mike, stay down, stay down, stay down, stay down, stay down, stay down, stay down. You can, stay down, stay down, stay down. You can't walk. You can't walk. The only catch in the world where your son gets a broken leg and you go, yes, cha-ching, cha-ching. Okay.

I spin in two dollar signs. I think daddy's going to get 20 inch rims this summer. Christmas is looking pretty good. No, but for real, it sucks. For real sucks. If you're a broken leg, you got to carry them everywhere and they can't go to daycare anymore. Yeah. Oh, right.

Right. Oh, well, that's brutal. I'm sorry about, you know, your youngest being in the hospital. Oh, that's right. Yeah. It's, uh, it keeps happening. He's got it. It's just like bronchiolitis.

Um, it'll be sweet as, but yeah, never good. Never good to have a little one in the hospital. The worst. Yeah. So some of the worst times of my life. In the spirit of, um, you know, the day after Thanksgiving, I'm very thankful to have my beautiful boys. It is very anchoring when the world, you know, gets a little crazy.

You just look at these two little kids, you're like, you fuckers are so cute. You don't know what's going on. You little fuckers. Let's just play with you. Truly, I find myself doing that so much nowadays where I'm just like, looking at a monitor, and I'm like, you're so peaceful.

You sleep there. You sleep here and I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do. I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do. Exactly. You sleep there. Ignore everything happening outside of these walls. Yeah. Right.

Right. Right. I spent this morning in a lazy river with my six year old and eight year old. Just chasing them around. It was a fucking blast. Jack, that is a postcard. Guys, I'm already one virgin pina colada deep. So, I don't know, you'll probably be able to hear it in my voice.

But all that sugar, Jack, your skin, be careful. You'll get pimples. You and my dad, I think, are the only people who think that's true. Did I just do a dadism to you? Yeah, that's one of my dad's things. He was like, yeah, I had terrible skin in high school because I was drinking all this soda pop. I'm like, that's why I think you were just like high school.

Yeah. And it could just be your skin type. You were more prone to acne maybe. Yeah. That's also the thing my mom was. I got heaps of acne from alcohol and I didn't figure it out till I was like 25, but in New Zealand, you start drinking pretty young here. And I think as a teenager, it really screwed me up.

And then I had to take a break on antibiotics or something. My skin cleared up. I was like, Oh, true. booed huh was it the sugar that it was turning into in my body oh maybe it is the sugar goddamn yeah all right Tim we're gonna get to know you a little bit better and ask you for more medical breakthroughs in a moment but first a couple of stories we're talking about we're gonna talk about the social media ban for children under, what is it, 12? 16.

16 in Australia. It feels like another thing that while the efficacy of the ban might come into question, it does feel like a thing where it's like, that is that country cares about their people more than the corporations that they do business with. Uh, it reminds me kind of reminds me of the gun buyback in a weird way. Not that weird actually, just like, yeah, that's, I guess that's what a government would do, right?

Like, if they were just hurting kids, get rid of it. Right. Oh, wait, but you can just do that. Well what's he doing? It's hurting kids? Get rid of it. Right. Oh, wait. But you can just do that? Well, how can you? Is the question. Yeah. Yeah, that is the question.

We'll talk about it. We'll talk about dictionary.com, fumbling the word of the year again for 2024. All of that, plenty more. But first, Tim, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? I Googled, what is a toady?

Because I am so, I'm in like a maximum dad zone at the moment, and I just feel like I am disconnected from the culture, but toady is one of those things that's coming up a lot. My algorithm is delivering me. And talk show podcast where people accusing other people of being toadies. I'm seeing the odd CNN clip where people are talking about Trump toadies. I was like, what is this? Yeah. Brand new fresh term to add to my lexicon. So I

had to Google it. Do you want to know what Google told me it was? Do you guys, you guys must, you guys know what it is, obviously. I'm like, toad, doesn't that sound like they did possum king, that band? Yeah, that's kind of what my experience with toadie is. It's the band that did possum king. Yeah, that's truly it. I think this might be a regionalism. That's like, be out in the woods, sprocket. Yeah. Or they're cute little toads.

It makes me feel a lot better about my ignorance. If you do. Yeah, yeah, no, this is, this is the place to come to feel better by your ignorance. You hear us talk out loud for sure. Uh, wait, so yeah, just inform us, illuminate this for us. According to Google's, um, weird new AI version of giving you answers on shit. It is a toady is a person who flatters or shows excessive respect to someone

more important in order to gain their favor or help. The term is informal and disapproving. Ah, yeah. Suck up. It's like a boot licker. I think that's one that's been happening a lot in the US. Boot throter. Yeah.

Okay. But toady's kind of cute cuter version of that. I think, what if, what if bootthroater was more, had more of like a studio Ghibli vibe, you know, I know. And it completely like defangs the intent of calling someone that too. And it's like, yeah, we're a little toady, you know, I'm kind of, I'll sell out my values for like whatever my own personal game, you know, it's true.

It's too cute. It's too cute. I do love it though. Yeah. And it just makes me feel better about being a complete ass kisser who, uh, you know, I, for one, I, I think we need to give the Trump administration a chance. We don't know. We don't know what if it's know. What if it's good?

What if it's good, you guys? Yeah. What is something? The toady side-fuck. I mean, he's very rich. He must know what he's doing. I don't know. This is my best attempt at channeling a Trump toady. Is that what they say?

Yeah. I reckon he's very rich. He's smarter than you. If you were smart, you'd have a billion dollars. The toady play right now surely is dudes trying to get a carve out from the tariff, the new tariffs coming in. Yeah. Oh, right.

Cause I sort of like had, uh, briefly looked into this yesterday. It seems like the play is, this seems like an absolutely cataclysmically stupid bit of economic policy, but what it actually is, is giving the administration an ability to pick and choose winners, like to an intense stupid bit of economic policy, but what it actually is, is giving the administration an ability to pick and choose winners like to an intense degree. Cause if they can select specific companies to have an exclusion or a carve out, it's like, they're just tipping the scales. So it blows my mind that these are the, you know, formerly the free market flag

waivers, cause it's just this huge distortion, complete distortion of the market so that they can pick. It's inevitable. Yeah. That their embrace of just free market capitalism leads to this stage of it. We're like, oh, I guess, and now it's not working from, oh, well, yeah. Now I get to pick. Yeah. I mean, you get that. Skechers made the Trump shoe and therefore they're the only shoes that's going to cost

under $700 in the United States from now on. Yeah. Welcome to the free market, baby. There's that. I mean, and there's also just like all the economic instability that it provides to, you know, again, for the same reason, right? Because if certain businesses or industries go down, it's right for the picking for the oligarchy too.

For us. Oh wait, the oligarchy? God, the little turkeys. Again? Again? The turkeys with the little rucksacks over their shoulders. Yeah. All you need is a $10 million buy-in to have dinner once at Mar-a-Lago.

And then, you know, you're good. You can own our telecoms industry if you want. I care. I'll do whatever the fuck you want. It's truly. It is. It's like when you hear about how Russia got the way it is today, and it was the breakup of the Soviet Union, and they just had these coupons that were like, all right, 10 of these coupons and you have like the entire gas industry,

10 of these coupons and like the, you would have the ability. And they like sent people in like at a time when nobody understood the power of the coupons and like even had people like dress up as like, you know, unhoused people or like drifters and we're like, yeah, I'll buy that off you for like $20. And then they like consolidated all the power. It really feels like we're in that moment in America where it's just going to, except it's like not with none of the fun, you know, dress up of that story. Instead, it's just going to be rich businessmen paying to eat dinner with

Donald Trump and then owning giant chunks of the U S economy. I have to put this on the record, you guys. I know, I know times are tough and things are pretty bleak. I got a lot of faith in you guys as country. I think, yeah, like think things are going to be difficult and shitty and a lot of people are going to be affected. But I listen, man, America's a crazy place. And one of my favorite things about it is what a patchwork it is.

And I don't, this is what I love about US elections. Like it's impossible to hack them because they're so fucking patchwork and so decentralized and everyone is just doing completely their own thing. That it's actually makes it really difficult to commit like a network wide wholesale election fraud style thing. It's the same with your whole country, man. Like she's going to get any sense. Yeah.

Tricky for four years, but just by virtue of you guys being such a great collection of messy bitches, I've got full faith. Are you going to come out the other side of this? It's going to be hard to get everyone in line. Cause I mean, like even there's already in fighting with like wings of the Republican party where people who wanted Trump out like this guy's going to fucking try and take over. They're like, I had my own fucking goals of being Godhead.

Like foot. So, yeah, I mean, that's the one thing you count on. We're really good at getting pissed off. So we'll see, we'll see how that manifests in the long term. But yeah, it was nice to hear that assessment from the outside because every American I've met in real life has been a good person. This is like, I think, you know, the media will, will constantly throw you like the

very worst people or whether not just an American thing, obviously that's the kind of the news's job, but like, I just got back from Vegas, everyone I met fantastic from the Uber driver, the drug dealer, to the croupier. Just stand up people through and through. Well, you're hanging out with the best professions right now. It's true. Yeah. The golden trio can't go wrong with Vegas drug dealers.

What is something you think is underrated? The current search for UAPs, a completely non-political, potentially human uniting quest to see if we're alone in the universe that has gotten really fricking interesting the last few years. But where are you on your, like, do you, what, because we, we are fans, we're interested, but I also don't really know where we stand. Like in terms of, do you, do you believe that, did you believe like the David Grush testimony at the... David Grush, I actually do believe him.

Like he's just the, and I've seen long form interviews with him and stuff. He's just the right level of, I think he, like, I'm not saying this is slight whatsoever. I think he possibly has said himself or a friend of his has said, he's kind of slightly autistic in a way where you can really trust him because he very much values detail and the truth. And like that guy really seems to be

an incredibly trustworthy source of what he's saying. Lou Elizondo, I don't know what the fuck that guy's deal is. That guy, I smell a rat. There's something, there's something just a little bit. I don't know what his end game is, but I mean, it seems like his end game is like, we need bigger guns to shoot the aliens. And this is fair right. Lou Elizondo, if people don't know, he's one of the sort of foremost people who's been

blowing the lid on the current UAP phenomenon and bringing these documents to bear and talking to Congress and stuff. But I think this is the same with Grush, but there just seems something grubbier about it with Lou Elizondo that everything he sees has to get approved by the Department of Defense. And I'm like, well, then why are they telling us this? Like they don't generally, they're not big fans of just full disclosure and transparency.

Usually they have an agenda behind releasing information like that. So Lue Alzheimer, I don't know, Grush, I'm a Grush boy. I'm a Grush girl. I don't know what his groupies are called. Grush groupies. That works. I've got a grush on that guy. Orange grush. Lue Alzheimer's facial hair is the main reason I distrust him. But go ahead, Mo. Oh, interesting. No, no. I mean, I think with all this, like I'm I'm in that thing. We're like, bro, I need us to not be alone. Like I fucking need this.

I need this. But I also need to believe to needing I fucking need these motherfucking aliens here now. But I guess the thing that I'm like, like everything's like, I just give us some modicum of hard evidence, please. Like I just, I, I'm willing, I'm willing. I just need a little bit, just a little something. You got to tune in brother. The, the Tic Tacs, the Tic Tac video from like three years ago, that was made in all of these military officials coming out saying like, we've got it on radar.

I saw this thing with my own two eyes. That thing doesn't fly like anything that sort of obeys the laws of physics. It's fascinating. It's cool. Yeah. I think it's the other part where it's like, when we're talking about like, well, we have non-biologics that non-human biologics and those technologies or whatever. And talking about like this global to potential network of crash recovery groups

and how they send that technology to governments like Just give me a fuck something just give me a fucking uniform like a little badge from that shit Just something a little bit more because I think that's where most like I think It just sort of ends with the tic tac videos and that's certainly enough for me to be like, holy shit what? But now I'm like, what's the sort of next phase of disclosure? And then when I hear all the people, all the theories about like, do they can't fucking just think here's a drop all that shit fucking right now, dude. They got a priority and I get that part too, but, but really can I just make with it?

Yeah. It doesn't make sense that we have alien bodies. But like that, that just seems like too big a deal to possibly be true that we've just got alien bodies somewhere. Right. Like in Washington. And Trump hasn't done a press conference with one of them. Like that's impossible.

Yeah. There's no way he would be able to keep the lid on that. Well, they wouldn't endorse him. So he's cut them off. Right. But I mean, so, but what do you think? Because Grush did say that he's like, I haven't seen them. But I know people that have. Yeah. And I was under, I think sort of walked right up to the line of saying

he's basically saying that my thing. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. To. Hey, I want to see him, too. Let's see. We all want to. I want to look at that. Yeah. I'll be cool about it. I'll be cool. I think it's underrated as it's just like, there's so much hectic shit. That's a bummer at the moment.

And this is just like a very, hopefully it will be remaining a politically neutral, exciting possibility that we can just kind of like, okay, okay. Okay. I can just, I know climate change is real and democracy is over. And, but can I, can I just think about the aliens while I smoke a joint for like 30 minutes for my, I'm like, bro, I would love to smoke a joint with the alien. You know what I mean? Now we're talking about, bro.

Maybe you have, I go, Oh shit. I didn't know you like to get wet. Whoa. This is PCP, man. PCP, my man. When they sent, um, Dennis Rodman to North Korea, uh, Snoop Dogg will be our representative of Earth to Alpha Stintur. Yeah, absolutely.

That makes perfect sense to me. Yeah. And I think that's who they would pick. They'd be like, Hey, could we take us to your, uh, actually Snoop Dogg? That's sort of your, right. Right. Can we just get some accomplished like astronomer and they're like, do you know Snoop Dogg? We love that song.

Drop it like it's hot. It just hit our airwaves from 20 years ago. Yeah. I wouldn't want to smoke a joint with, um, Neil deGrasse Tyson, but I would with Snoop Dogg. No, no, no, no. I don't see. Yeah. No, he's a bummer.

Total bummer. He, he, I feel like he would just start asking you what you thought of him in various ways. Yeah. Do you have any cute cousins? Do you have any cute cousins? What are you talking about, bro? So what, are you guys, this is interesting to me because I didn't know there was any, I've felt a little,

I've got mixed feelings about that dude. He gives off an interesting vibe. I feel like he gets them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't fuck with Neil deGrasse Tyson. Now me neither, man. As a figure, first of all, as a, like he's apparently, you know, not cool as a person.

And then also just his general, like, there's a fine line between people who bring additional scientific insight that makes the world more interesting, and people who are just fucking haters and are just like, no, no, actually. And he like just doesn't seem to have a very good instinct for making things more interesting. Instead, he just is there to like kind of quote back things that sound smart or like point out things that are wrong. And it just, I don't know. I'm like, what are you in it for then, man?

Like, why are you, why are we even here? If you're not like on fire to like make space and science more interesting to people, what are you even doing here other than just trying to like corner the market? And like, sometimes I feel like he does that, but a lot of the time it just feels like he's just trying to point out when shit is wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd never put my finger on it before, but it's like an own the libs thing. It just feels like he's just trying to point out when shit is wrong. Yeah. I'd never put my finger on it before, but it's like an own the Libs style of scientific education.

Owned. Shows up places as a big stamp. Owned. You've been de-grassed. Yeah. Neil deGrasse Tyson's punch out. The worst NES game. Let's take a quick break.

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I had picked this before and now I think it's too much of a bummer, but I'm going to bring it up because my brain is so sleep deprived. I can't like conjure new ideas right now, but just austerity. In New Zealand, we've got this new, well, they're not that new anymore. We've got this government that's made of three right wing parties. And they've basically just brought in austerity to try and fix the economy, which was flailing and surprise. It's made it way fucking worse. Wait, what? Trying to balance the governmental, the government's economy, trying to government like treat the government like it's a household budget.

Exactly. Does it work? Exactly, man. Yeah. It's like, have you guys ever met an actual macroeconomist in your life? But it's because it's convenient for them to parrot this line that, you know, it makes some intrinsic sense to people. And like, you know, we got to balance the budgets. Like you kind of don't and you kind of like shouldn't go too hard that way because everyone will get boned. And at the moment in New Zealand, like everyone is getting boned.

Obviously everyone had inflation after COVID and that's what they've used as cover to bring in all of these new policies. They're firing everyone from the public sector. Like they're just slashing whole departments. Our healthcare system, which was pretty bad to begin with, is just getting absolutely torn apart and it sucks. I mean, I mentioned earlier, I've got a little kid who's just in hospital and like, you know, these things that we take for granted in New Zealand, which make life

so good, but they're kind of invisible until they go away or the cracks start to appear. I'm just worried that we forget that, you know, those were pretty hard won fights from a long time ago that brought us like great centralized, nationalized health care, for example. And there has been from like the moment that the national government who are in charge now were campaigning, a lot of people were saying, here's what they're going to do. They're going to come in, they're going to slash the healthcare system. Then they're going to use all the bad stats that come from the fact that it's massively understaffed to just privatizing the healthcare system. And even like, I love a good conspiracy theory.

I just telling you guys about how much I'm fucking rooting for the aliens to be real. But even there, I was like, you know, you go get, let's hear them out. Give them a chance. This feels like you, you know, rabid, uh, left wingers who, you know, have, have formulated this opinion before the people have even got in and the policies have had a chance to come in. I am now utterly convinced those people are right. Like it is just, it is horrible to watch in real time, this sort of

slow moving train crash of the different sectors, especially a healthcare system in New Zealand as a result of austerity. So austerity, I'm putting the Timbatt stamp on it. Overrated. Oh shit. Fuck out of here. You've been Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yeah, it is frustrating. Like I didn't want the left to always be right about everything. It fucking sucks.

Yeah. It just turns out they are very frustrating. And then it just turns out they are and never ever get credit for it because nobody, it's the one thing that nobody can get rich off of. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing.

I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing.

I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. I think that's the biggest thing. And then it just turns out they are and never ever get credit for it because nobody, it's the one thing that nobody can get rich off of. Yeah. But yeah, it sounds like you're in the future. You're in our future. So that will one day-

Times-wise and yeah, Yeah, exactly. Politico economically as well. Yeah. I mean, I feel like we're not far off from like New York Times op-eds. I'm like, Margaret Thatcher did in fact save the UK economy. And you're like, whoa. It is feeling, it is feeling very interesting.

Like they're going to mainstream austerity too, because that's a huge thing that there's like, Americans are going to have to feel some pain so we can hoover up more wealth up to the top. What's amazing as well is how they've like, because they can't use the word, the word austerity now, because everyone knows it doesn't work and it's awful. And it just creates like wholesale human suffering for everyone who isn't at the very top. So they use it, there's different terminology and language now. But I think maybe this is something that's belt tightening, fiscal

responsibility, all these euphemistic words that mean we're going to slash core services that service the working class. And then we're going to privatize stuff because that will make us and our buddies rich. But I think we need to like whack that label back onto what's happening to just make people have a really clear picture of what's going on. They kind of fight over language, man. It's unfortunately also kind of important. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Just need a functioning media. Yeah. This sounds good. Right. I want to do that with Warren G. Deregulation. Oh, fucking regulations.

Nobody likes regulations. We need deregulation. D, fucking regulations. Nobody likes regulations. We need regulations. Regulators. Mount up. Exactly. We want to save water to drink. We're in GNA, dog. We're right.

Regulations are cool and need to exist. That's what the song is about. Now that's what Kamala's campaign should have done. That's right. Regulators. You got Elizabeth Warren up there. She's like, financial protection bureau. Where you at?

Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Now they're dropping in yelling a tad bit late. You should have listened to us when we said regulate. I mean that and buzz and fly, you know, that's the West coast in me. It's the West coast in me, you know, it feels like something that would have happened in the eighties.

Like the Democratic Party of the eighties would have put out Bill Clinton on saxophone while. Oh, yeah. He's just like us. His cat is called Sox and has a video game. Don't look past. That's all we need to know. Naf to who? Yeah. All right.

Let's talk about social media ban because this feels aspirational to me, even though I get everybody being like, how the fuck you going to make that work? Asshole. My answer to so. All right. make that work, asshole. My answer to, so, all right, uh, Australia is on the verge of passing a ban on social media for people under the age 16. There's a lot of people wondering how that's good, how they're going to make that work.

The, this AP article gives most of its word count to objections to critics also argue the band would isolate children, deprive them of positive aspects of social media, drive children to the dark web, make children too young for social media, reluctant to report harms they encountered and take away incentives for platforms to make online spaces safer. And I don't know, like, I guess when you on the question, read the question, how am I, how are we going to like, figure this out or like implement that? That's not my fucking problem. That's the problem of the social media companies.

Like they made a product that is super fucking dangerous to the point that the only, so that last point about like platform, well, there's no incentives for platforms to make online spaces safer. What a veiled threat. Like what is that? We just have to make them more fucking dangerous. We're selling guns on here. They have-

It's like you already do. They have so much incentive to make their product safer that it's existed for over a decade. And the only time I've ever heard of any tech executive doing anything to keep a kid safer on their platform is that they all ban their own kids from using them. That's the only thing that I've heard. They, they all like never heard any, any tech executives be like, yeah, but my kids use our product and we think it's good They're all like to a person like no, of course. I wouldn't let my hell

No use this we don't my kid to go into a deep depression universe, right? That but they don't do shit to make the product like as is The current product does not work. It is harming people. I get that a blanket ban under a certain age group might be like a blunt instrument that doesn't... I don't have all the answers, but I do like that the law is just like, they're gonna have to figure it out in the next... They have a year to figure it out and then we're gonna start finding the shit out of them. It's like, great, yeah, they can go fuck themselves.

Like that's, they, they made the dangerous product. They can figure it out. You might've made a believer out of me, Jack, cause I've been following the story and I'm sort of like, I hate to say the word both sides, but I have sort of been seeing both sides of this thing. It's, it's kind of tricky, right? Because you're right. Like the, the intent of it is fantastic.

And, um, I like one of the biggest things in my head around my two boys is just like, how do I get them offline as much as humanly possible? Like, how do I just mainline sports into them? And I'm not a sports guy, but I'm like, that is the only way that I can think of that guarantees they're not going to be holding, you know, like a tablet or something in their hand at all times. At all times. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But on the flip side of this, right?

So they're bringing in this federal law, which means that if you're under 16, you're not allowed to be on social media, which is great. But it is tricky because then it goes, well, now we have to prove everybody's age in Australia on the internet, which is going to fundamentally change how the internet works. And I'm 30, what am I, 37? And I've been an online kid my whole life. So I've seen this mutation of the internet being a space where it was originally a bit niche and anonymous, and now it's completely mainstream and decreasingly anonymous, which is sort of good for discourse because it means people can't just come and say whatever

the fuck they want without any accountability. But it does, there's privacy concerns. And the thing that I just can't square in my head is that governments generally are really bad at like tech policy. Yeah. And this will be a deeply like technical thing. So I looked into this law last week, cause I do a tech commentary segment on our version of like, what do you call it?

Not PBS. What's your like state broadcast? Yeah, PBS. PBS. Yeah. Radio New Zealand is what it's called. And so I looked into the law and it turns out that technically SMS text messaging like falls under their current legal

definition of social media. So if people are under 16, as the law is currently proposed, they would be banned from texting. But also, we then have to prove the age of everyone who has access to a device that can do SMS text messaging. So it's just like the intent, fantastic,, the devil is in the detail and it's going to be like such a fucking hard thing for the Australian government which is filled with the oldest dumbest people alive to figure out how to prove people's age. But we're also like exporting the dumb shit to Australia because you start seeing the people in Australia parroting the

stuff of the Republicans over here like oh, you're copying this crap up here. And it's one of the saddest things that's happened in New Zealand. I've always got a litmus test for people in New Zealand. I see commenting online. If you use the word Patriot, you're just some fucking news. Yeah, we don't say Patriot in New Zealand because we've got this beautiful thing called tall poppy syndrome where we bully the shit out of each other. If you express any like pride for yourself or your country.

And sure, it gives us like a depression epidemic, but it also really tamps down on nationalism and right wing sentiment because no one can fully rally around the flag. So if anyone describes themselves as a patriot in New Zealand, I know that's a red flag that they're just like mainlining American right wing news content. The other thing with this, with this lore that was weird to watch is that it's been championed by News Corp, which I'm pretty sure is the Rupert Murdoch joint. And so I'm also like, there's a little bit of follow the money with this, with me. Sure. What are you getting at? Yeah. What's this mean for you?

They're like, Ooh, we get access to like everybody's person. Like we'll have to like, everybody will have to have like some sort of like online ID that like follows them around the internet and it'll make advertising like more effective for people over 16 or something. It totally might be there. I'm hoping it's just a vendetta because all the social media networks have taken all of the advertising out of, you know, Rupert Murdoch's newspapers and stuff. That makes sense. Yeah.

But yeah, I'm so sorry, Jack. This should be a thing that we're just like, finally some good fucking news. We can all get behind. I agree. These are all like complicating factors that I can't wait to see how the tech industry figures out and to see how the tech industry figures out and you know, like they, they have a fucking money gun to their head and it's like in a year, figure this shit out.

Like, I don't know. I don't know. I think a big reason that tech policy is so shitty is because they are at least in the U S and I don't know like how much lobbying is a thing in like Australia and other countries, but like they are by far the biggest lot. You know, we, we think of like fossil fuel industries is like the number one lobbying industry.

It's tech. Tech is the reason crypto. Yeah. Tech and crypto are like pouring so much money and have been for so long that it's easy to just like we're now at a place where we're just like, yeah, the government can't solve all these tech problems. We have to lean on the oligarchs to solve them. And it's just like, no, they're not going to without any like without somebody forcing their hand. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's hard because, you know, the genie is out of the bottle

at this point, so I'm not sure that just being like, I just vaporize it for kids under 16 is the answer because I've been 16 and people told me I couldn't get shit, you know, how quick I got that shit. Like it's just part of the experience of being like a younger person is like, Oh, you can't have this. It's like, yeah, all right, more on that later. Asshole. Watch me fucking get five of these things. of being like a younger person is like, oh, you can't have this. Like, yeah, all right, more on that later, asshole. Watch me fucking get five of these things.

Even the Australian lawmakers who had bring this in have been championing the bill, have said they're like fully aware, because all it's going to take is a VPN, which is like the easiest, cheapest thing to implement on a device. But they've said, look, we know that what we're basically trying to do is give parents as much ammunition as possible to say, like, no, I can't help you make an account. No, you don't need an iPhone 16 Pro Max this year to sit on Instagram and TikTok all the time. The fancy schools are banning smartphones. Like that's, again, it's, yeah, like a bunch of like Eaton in the UK and stuff are banning smartphones. Like kids, they're giving kids

and they're copying that in private schools. Like flip phones and then private schools in the US are copying that. I think we did that too. Yeah. I think New Zealand banned cell phones in high schools. I feel like I should know that, but. The thing is like, like to your point, Jack is like, all of the emphasis needs to be on these social media companies to get their shit together in terms of

like content moderation and how it's being served and who they decide to serve content to and all the algorithms and shit. Because I think one of the things when you look at all those studies about like what Instagram has done to young people, it's like it's all about like unrealistic body expectations or unrealistic lifestyle expectations and those kinds of things. And that sounds like a huge thing to tackle right like, I know one should have it. I mean, this is this of style expectations and those kinds of things. And that sounds like a huge thing to tackle

rather than just like, ah, no one should have it. I mean, this calls for a much larger examination of like what is ailing a society too. But I think if there's also parts of that where you lean on that and you don't allow this kind of stuff to proliferate and be like the main thing kids see when they go on social media and give them an idea of what life is supposed to be like or look like

or what we're supposed to look look like that would be a huge benefit also. But yeah, I mean, I think like, because social media has become such an effective marketing tool, it's, you know, once we I guess the bigger thing is like, can we get the capital out of this thing? And then that's, that's, that's a real, that's, that's a moment that, I mean, it is long overdue, but I I'm cynical in terms of thinking that that's going to happen. So yeah, maybe it just needs to be some of these sort of chaotic things to eventually arrive there.

But yeah, it's, it's definitely, it's, it's, we all know it's bad and all the options aren't optimal, but there's clear, there will be a combination of these things that I feel like can actually reduce the harm that, you know, the, the kids that experience these apps and fuck it even adults. It is cool. They're doing it like it's bad ass and it's crazy, you know, in some ways that it's Australia, like a super, you know, Western relatively big, you know, rich country is actually standing up to the platforms going, nah, there's, Western relatively big, you know, rich country is actually standing up to the platforms going, nah, there's, there's this interesting cat called Jaron Lanier, who's

kind of known as like, one of the founders of virtual reality. He's this technologist and he's invented a bunch of stuff. And he's sort of like a techno philosopher in some ways. Like he talks a lot about the effects that technology has on society. And he talks about this fear that he has where everyone is on social media so much now, and the effects are so damaging. But there are so few people now that aren't on social media. We can't measure the effect of it anymore. So like we don't have a control group to look at how humans normally act when they're not online.

Yeah. like we don't have a control group to look at how humans normally act when they're not online. Yeah. And so like, it's kind of, it is cool that Australia, like a country is, is big and developed and wealthy that it is, is kind of going to do this experiment on behalf of the world and go, all right, we're just going to fucking say no one under 16 on here and we're going to try and figure it out and we'll see how that goes. Yeah. Yeah.

16 on here and we're going to try and figure it out and we'll see how that goes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I personally, I think blaming all the, the mental health crisis that's happening with young people entirely on social media is probably not right. I think that involves a lot of just, we've talked before, like these kids are watching the grownups that they're supposed to admire and look up to, just ignore climate change and be like, I don't know, man, it's your fucking problem. So I think they are going through a uniquely fucked up existential experience of having a

existential threat to humanity and watching the people who are in charge of the world just completely ignore it. And it's one that's going to make their lives really fucked up for decades and decades. I feel like that is wildly underrated. But I do think that these technologies, having marketing this deeply infused into your day-to-day life is a powerful, you know, way that people are robbed of their free will, like every day, and specifically kids. And yeah, just fucking anything.

Like this seems obviously and clearly the right thing to do because it is fucking something like that's what all like that's all that is the bar that I'm asking somebody to clear here is just do fucking something. Yeah. It's like seeing like a boulder come down a hill and they're like, should we, should we stop it? I was like, how do I get in front of things like, dude, put a fucking refrigerator in front of it.

Let's see if it fucking stops it. And even if it gets flat. Just something. Yeah, we'll learn something. We're like, all right, the refrigerator did not stop the boulder. What else have you got? Blow it up, whatever.

But you got it. Don't just do the thing like, Brian, what the fuck am I going to do with that? And yeah, that energy is not, that is not the way we're going to solve these sort of existential problems we're all having. Yeah. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. Hey, Beau. Hey, Matt. Can you believe we have a whole bunch of wicked episodes coming up? Oh,

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or wherever you listen to podcasts. Listen to Podcasts. And we're back. And it is that time of the year where news stories have to be written in advance as journalists go on vacation. And so the dictionaries of the world come together and give them a nice little layup by naming a bunch of words of the year or a new word that we're adding to the dictionary this year. And they're hit and miss, you know? Like Miriam Webster hits sometimes with one that's like, yeah, that's so weird.

That wasn't a word this time last year and now it's in the lexicon. I think last year was authentic. Was there Webster's word of the year was authentic? That one sucks. We knew about authentic before, but that one was not so good. Riz was number two. But Riz is a word that I can't stop hearing. Love is young people are just telling me I've got it constantly everywhere I go. But I feel like the one thing we can count on is dictionary.com is going to fuck it up.

Yeah. So last year, their word of the year was hallucinate. AI hallucinates, okay, okay, which is bullshit like that's that's AI is not hallucinating AI is just making shit up because it's wrong because it's bad technology And it's just they just like chose a like buzzword used by AI marketers to try and like spice up what they're, how their AI fucks up to be like, try and use that in your job when you fuck up and see if you don't get fired and you're like, yo, sorry, I was hallucinating like a

motherfucker back. Sorry. I crashed the forklift. I was hallucinating. Yeah. Fucking why, dude? How? I wouldn't need to get into the why. Yeah.

I mean, I got a little bit. Every time you're auto-correct, like, puts the wrong word in, call that a hallucination. Like that, because that's essentially all the AI is doing. It's just being programmed incorrectly and like pointing in the wrong direction and making things. I mean, really what it is, is AI is designed to give you an answer, whether it has the right answer or not. And so it will make one up. Anyways, this year, dictionary.com went with demure as the word of the year for 2024. I liked the first video that used demure.

2024. I liked the first video that used demure. I haven't enjoyed a single reference. Like a single person being like, this is very demure. Like in reference to that video, it just was immediately like, nobody's like really used it in a fun way. It sucked right away. I feel like. Yeah.

I it's, it's, it's fine. Like whatever, like you're just saying, like that was a cool moment on tick talk, but then it's also a thing where now like you, a lot of us are like, dude, stop fucking saying that like, just like, shit is cooked already. Like we're done. That's why I guess hallucinate is better and more because it's referencing something that is going to affect all of us. And even if they're not, you know,

sort of interrogating that in a more meaningful way, it's like, the word is hallucinate. Whereas again, when you look at, oh, you said, oh, of course, yeah, I understand the trans girlies love in Demure. Cause I know the creator of that, there was a whole thing I remember because the IP got stolen

and there was all this drama about who can use Demure and all this other shit. But the thing with, like you look at like just other words of the year that feel that they encapsulate things, they feel, I don't know, I guess, part of me is like, why do I even give a fuck? The world's fucking ending, man. And we're fucking talking about demure.

Because in shitification was the, I don't, I've never heard of this dictionary, probably because I'm American, the Macquarie dictionaryaries word of the year. Christopher McCrary, the guy who wrote usual suspects. Yeah. Yes. I think so.

Yes. Is in shitification, but it's also interesting that the honorable mention, one of the honorable mentions is raw dogging. So maybe we always do need to reference something from social media as our word of the year. I'll take raw dogging. I'll take raw dogging. I'll take raw dogging. Yeah.

Raw dog. But even then I'm even dubious about people that are actually raw dogging flights. I know there are some people who literally don't need anything, but so many people were posting shit like, yo, I just raw dogged the whole flight to fucking Berlin fam. No, you didn't. Sorry. Did one of the dictionaries lend its heft of word of the year to raw dogging? Or was that like a finalist?

It was a finalist. That was from Aquarius. Yeah, that was a honorable mentions outside and shitification Word of the Year, I mean, right to disconnect and raw dogging were honorable mentions. Raw dogging reality, raw dogging. Yeah, basically a word for sobriety. I feel like. Well, let's be real.

Raw dogging is having sex without a condom on. Like that's what it, that is what that comes from. That is hilarious to me that they are mainlining, you know, that term for the dictionary. The staid square poindexters at the dictionary thought, you know what? We fucked too. Raw dogging will be our word of the year. We're actually cool guys and we go to parties.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, guys and we go to parties. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, we'll see. We'll see. We, we don't still don't know Webster's word of the year. Yeah. And we'll cover that in our year in review of the years and review articles with that we do at the, at the end of the year.

Did you, were the, were the youths of New Zealand, uh, using Demure a lot? Do you know? I mean, obviously cause social media has created such a global culture, but. Yeah. Did you hear a lot? Demure definitely had a moment. I produced two queer podcasts basically. And yeah, Demure had a big moment, but it's like culture moves so quickly now.

These memes like move through the population. They go, they hit so big and they're there for about three afternoons. And then it's on to the next thing, which does make it tricky. You know, if you're going to start leaning into internet culture to determine your word of the year, it's like dog shit is going way too quick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Why? That's what I'm like. It just immediately felt like a 55 yearold magazine editor was like, all right, you need to get me five headlines with Demure in it. Every time I saw it used after the initial video, just felt like people trying to fucking fit it in and having no familiarity with the culture and how it was being used. Just felt like L city.

Um, can I throw something up at you guys and you can like, feel free to, you cut this, right? Yeah. If you want, I just like, I think the whole, the Hikoi thing and the treaty moment we're having in New Zealand at the moment, if we, if we, I would feel bad to not at least float the balloon to talk about that as a dude from New Zealand with the audience that you guys have. And I'm not very like super well versed on it, but I just think it's such a crazy important thing that's happening at the moment.

And if you guys want a little sort of information on the ground about that. Yeah, I would love to hear about how it feels in New Zealand right now. And yeah, just what's happening. But Tim, I do want to ask because in America, we get very narrow sort of depictions of what is happening outside of the US, especially if it's intersecting with things like indigenous culture. But I know a few weeks ago, or maybe it was last week. Now at this point, time flies so slow and fast at the same time. I think a lot of people on the internet were like, yo, they're doing the Hakka like in parliament in New Zealand, and most of the discourse sort of ends like

dash, it's sick. Me looks at it like looking at a broader historical context context in terms of colonialism and stuff. I'm like, this is amazing. And also heartbreak. Like, can you just sort of break that down for our audience as well? Because I don't want everybody to think it was like, that's sick. They just did the haka and everything is okay.

Because that's sort of felt like, for most of us who are fully tuned in, it sort of came across. I'm glad that you asked about this. It is such an incredible moment to be living through, like as a New Zealander in Aotearoa, New Zealand at the moment. So a bit of backstory with this. There is a guy called David Seymour, who is the leader of a right wing libertarian party here called ACT.

And he is this very weird guy who has just stuck around and been funded by very rich people. I don't know if you guys have talked about the Atlas network before, which is like this super capitalized right wing media and political network that exists around the world. Mainly in the mayor. Yeah, we got one of those.

Yeah, you got a couple of them. You got quite a few. But basically all libertarians are so well funded. Like they're a little, oh my God. It's always these like super opaque invisible like trust situations where the funders are hidden from public view and these public interest groups just pop up and they've got like incredibly slick advertising. And they employ

like 50 people, even though no one votes for them in New Zealand. It's like where the fuck you guys getting your money? And a lot of really good journalists have dug around and tried to figure that out. And I think the short answer is billionaires from America, mainly. So this guy, David Seymour has proposed essentially to lay down in law some different definitions of the Treaty of Waitangi. The Treaty of Waitangi is the legal document that is sort of the foundational document of New Zealand that was signed in 1840. It is the legal basis for white people such as myself to sort of be in this country, which had the sovereignty of, was looked after by the Maori people,

who are the indigenous people here in New Zealand. So when Europeans started coming here, British people came here, there was a lot of terrible shit that they were doing. They're basically like criminals and causing a lot of trouble and they kept coming. And so a lot of the Iwi, which Iwi is the name for a tribe, like a Maori

tribe. So they kind of came together and they were like, Hey, you guys got to sort your shit out. Like we will allow you to form a governmental structure in New Zealand because you need to sort all of these trouble making British people out who are like drunks and thieves and starting violence and raping our women and all this sort of stuff. So there is two versions of this document. There is the English language version, the Treaty of Waitangi. And then there is the Maori language version, which is Teteriti. The definitions, as you can probably guess, and the two with the language

that are used are quite different. So we've got a problem here. We've got this one document, which is supposed to mean the same thing, but in two languages, which actually means quite different things and guarantees different rights and responsibilities to each party. And there has been a long storied, slow, productive sort of march of progress of people over the many decades since we've had like real low points in our national history, trying to deal with this issue. people over the many decades since. We've had like real low points in our national history

trying to deal with this issue. But there's, from about 1970, which was when there was a resurgence of Maori language in New Zealand. So Maori have their own language, Te Reo, and it got beaten out of them at school. Like they could not use it by dint of violence. There was a resurgence of that that started in the seventies, which has

started a real revitalization of the culture and the whole Maori worldview, which is like being this really beautiful and kind of world leading, um, indigenous movement and a real beacon of hope to other, um, indigenous people around the world. And like most Kiwis really embrace this, like average Kiwis really embrace this thing and they love it. Of course it's got its detractors and stuff at the at the right fringes in particular, but like it's been a really beautiful slow moving sort of journey towards how we get this thing together. So you know this politician David

Seymour, libertarian, really well funded by overseas donors, has managed to just by sticking around and taking slings and arrows over the years. He's now the Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand in this weird coalition right wing government that we've got. And he has proposed a bill, which all the other parties said, we're not going to like endorse this whatsoever. But he's got a first reading of it, which would try to redefine basically the terms of the treaty. And it has been one of the proudest like moments of my New Zealand life to just see every Māori, you know, group and all of their allies come together and just say, not on your fucking life dog.

No, we've made way too much progress for you to come in here and fuck the shit up. So there was a, what's called a hikoi, which is a peaceful walk, uh, that went like, what is this, I think it's about 800 kilometers from Auckland to Wellington. So, and they even started further north. So they did this huge march down the country where they gained tens of thousands of people along the way to come to the seat of power at parliament and go, nah. And then you've seen like the Haka that was in parliament, TJ Perenara, who's an all black,

he did a very specific Haka targeted around this issue during an all blacks game recently. And there's just been, it's like- Oh, is that the one against France? Yes, yeah, yeah, that's right. I think so, yeah, right. And it's, oh, Italy maybe? Italy, actually, yeah. Oh, Right. And it's, oh, Italy maybe? Italy, actually.

Oh, okay. So that's Italy match. It's, I would implore people to kind of, if you've got the time and inclination, dig into this issue because I think New Zealand could act as a real beacon for how other countries could try and deal with this. We're by no means perfect, obviously, but I think just there has been a genuine, concerted effort in my lifetime for us to try and figure out how to live together and sort of enrich the Maori culture and also like help this systemically oppressed people who are represented terribly and all the statistics you would expect like health and imprisonment and education and stuff. Because we fucking beat the shit out of them.

It took their language away and their land away and all of the stuff is, guess what? There's implications of that down the line. And my fear at the moment is that this story has bubbled up on the world stage a bit. And it's kind of drawn the attention of all these right wing, you know, sort of Manosphere podcast types where they just see the surface level. And I've already seen like just little glimpses of the commentary on that. And like, fuck that's such a, it feels to me such a dangerous thing that these guys with massive platforms who have zero context for what's actually going on

on the ground here are just making these flippant comments. There's one, there's an interview in particular, which like, I don't know if it'll translate super well if you don't have New Zealand context, but a guy called Jack Tame, who's one of our journalists for TV New Zealand here, interviewed David Seymour last week and kind of dismantled his argument pretty well, I thought. He was like, if you've got an agreement between two parties, isn't it completely unjust that one of the parties, which is the government gets to completely

redefine the terms of it, just at its behest. Yeah. So it's an interesting moment to be living through. And yeah, I think David Seymour has underestimated just how much he's like kicked the hornet's nest here, which is kind of cool to see. Yeah. I mean, I think, I mean, like the one article I read that was like an on from NBC news.com was just so like devoid of details. It was just kind of like they're talking about renegotiate or redefining a contract, the certain support without really kind of drilling into the humanity of it and the history of it, because that's what's so important. And I think for an American audience, who obviously has its own terribly sorted history with how the government was interacting with indigenous people, it's like

a, like unfathomable, like that they're like, wow, because the way this, the there was no treaty or anything, this was just merely like real forced relocation. And now we're saying, well, like, you know, you want to be your own country, then don't ask us for help and here you go. And we'll turn our backs on you and then wonder why things are falling apart. And yeah, I, I'm, I'm always very heartened when I see how, just how different our cultures are

in that respect. And yeah, I mean, I, there is something to that that I would hope could be like something inspirational, but how are these like chud dudes trying to sort of hijack the conversation around? It's wild that the Manosphere has sided with a politician who went on Dancing with the Stars and David Seymour and not the all-black rugby. It's like any credibility, any claim, like where America is like having this crisis in media where

they're like, how do we attract men like, and be like more manly to attract, and it's like, it has nothing to do with, they just want to be fucking racist. They're just like that. Yeah. So much of it is just them looking for a fucking excuse to be fucking racist pieces of shit. And like, it has nothing to do, like if, if ever there was an opportunity for them to be like, okay, which is the cooler, uh, more Manosphere thing, I think it would be siding with the Maori, not billionaire libertarians.

The thing is that the other side of this is like, isn't it sort of part of, you know, testosterone fueled man culture to be against the man? Aren't like all your archetypes and heroes supposed to be the guy who's like going against the system and defending, you know, the downtrodden? That is, I don't think there could be a more stark example right now in New Zealand than the interest that David Seymour is representing and the Maori people who are like just standing proud and strong and developing their own systems to enshrine their culture and their language and their rights, you know, that were given to them not that long ago in a legal

fucking document, which is the whole reason why white people are here in New Zealand. Like, surely they are there. If you're looking for those kind of comic book style, superhero archetypes, like you got one staring you in the face, but unfortunately, yeah, you would have to probably let go of a bit of your racism and intense kind of right wing libertarian economic political view, which is what a lot of the spoils down to, and that's kind of the bit that I find exciting is, is what is good for Māori is good for everyone.

Like it is, it is a, it is stewarding the environment. It's like a deep connection and protection of the environment and saying like, we need to protect the water that we drink and the wildlife that lives in the environment that we inhabit. And the whole concept of land ownership, like I know this is a common story with indigenous people around the world, but it's just like, what are you talking about? You don't own land, you fucko.

You walk around on it and you kind of, you can like take resources from it to sustain yourself. But resource extraction and stuff is just so antithetical to the Maori worldview by and large. And I always say, I don't want to, you know, get too out in front of my skis. I'm not Maori, so I don't want to represent the whole Maori worldview. But it's a cool thing to watch as the New Zealander at the moment, the pushback,

because it has been bigger and broader and louder than expected. And it is kind of nice to see around the world, even though it's drawing the attention of these right wing podcast dudes, the bulk of things that I'm seeing as well, like on Reddit and they're going, this looks fucking, what's going on in your parliament, dude? That looks cool. Right. Pissed, huh? Yeah. I mean, it, yeah, it, it is interesting to see how, I think it makes sense though, that too, that like in the Manosphere, they only respect sort of like violence and absolute power. So they would eventually decide with colonizers to be like, well,

you know, they got colonized, it is what it is. Exactly, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's what's kind of, that's, that's something that I think, I mean, I hope to see sort of that sentiment change, but the one thing that I feels like is becoming a theme more and more is like, you get these sort of right-wingers really

get gassed up on their own bullshit. And then they're like, Oh, not everyone thinks like this. And it's actually getting a massive response. Those are the kinds of things I'm like, we need to keep our eyes on because I think at the moment we're in this country, a lot of people are not sure what to do about anything. And some are just like, do I just retreat to comfort? Do I just keep my head down?

And I think a big thing is going to be about making yourself like making it be known where you stand and what you stand for and a much you know deeper level but that bridge will be crossed fairly shortly. Well put man. All right well Tim such a pleasure having you on the show. And I such a funny comedian. And I just like a knee slapping hilarious crack up. Do you talk about serious stuff? And you're good at that, too. How are we going to not but how are we not going to talk about it? You know what I mean? That's just the thing.

I think it is a thing to feel optimistic about. I think it's a cool thing. And we have to know we have to be aware of our surroundings at a minimum at a minimum you know sometimes it's not funny but at the very least we have to arm ourselves with the knowledge of what is happening around us at a minimum yeah I like that I like that I like you guys yeah and we like you we love you yeah I'll say love I'll say like I love you too but you specifically okay thank you and that this is this is the Joe Rogan of the I love you too, but you specifically. Okay.

Thank you. And that makes sense. This is the Joe Rogan of the left shit. They need to be thinking about just guys knowing each other. They love each other. This guy is so dope. I love this guy, man. This is what I love about just international friendships, man, just being responsible towards

each other. And I can't quite bring myself to get there and say, I love you. I can say that as a man, I'm rooting for the rich guys who inherited who spend all their time floating in mud baths. Okay. We'll find a shaman. We'll get you hooked up. We'll turn your whole world around and you'll be, you'll be peace and love. Exactly, dude. You'll get you hooked up. We'll turn your whole world around and you'll be, you'll be peace and love. Exactly, man. Exactly, dude.

You're going to love me. Does it give me explosive diarrhea? Because there's one that does. No, that's what I'm actually into that. That's what that's my first, that's my question about everything. You need some of that. Yeah. You lead with your welcome every time you meet, you greet someone and ask

immediately about anything. Does it give me explosive diarrhea? Uh, Tim, where can people find you? Follow you here. You see you all that good stuff. Um, I really feel like I'm retreating from the internet at the moment. And I don't mind that at all. I've, uh, I was Instagram's a fun place to be for now until Elon Musk buys that one too.

Sure. So I don't even know what I am. What am I at Tim underscore bat So I don't even know what I am. What am I? Tim underscore bat at Instagram. But you know what? Just wait for me to come back to the Daily Zyte guys. That's right. Find me exactly like Gandalf.

Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh, uh, yes, there is. I'll give a quick shout out. Sorry, because it just came out till death to us Blart, um, an annual podcast. I'm part of where we watch Paul Blart Mall Cop 2. We just celebrated our 10th year. Myself and Guy Montgomery flew to Las Vegas to go to where the movie is set. The three guys in America, the McElroy brothers that we do the podcast with, did not come to Vegas.

So we flew 14 hours to go on a zoom call effectively inside the Wynn Casino and Hotel, which was great fun. So you can check out till death do us part wherever you get your podcasts. The piece of media I want to shout out on top of that, if I may, is a guy called, I don't know if you guys have hit Andy Russo, I think I'm probably saying his name wrong. Yeah. Andy Russo? He's like big on Tik Tok.

He's a young dude. R O U S S O. How would you say that? Oh, R U O. R O U. That first R O U. R O U. Rousso.

Rousso. Yeah, that's probably it. That's probably Russo. This guy is just so sensationally funny. He did in particular this one. I think he put it out a year ago, but it's new to me where he talks about why Duncan suddenly has dry ass donuts and he's just got this beautiful like. Sense of escalation.

I'm going to spoil it for you because there's lots of great ones there, but it's like employee talking to the manager about like, why have we started making these fucking horrible dry ass donuts? And then the, the turn is we've been developing them for NASA to use as a heat shield for this missile, which is going to avoid this comet, which is on course to destroy earth. And then suddenly the employee has gone from incredibly, you know, sad and confused about these dry ass donuts to so proud that he's on the side that's trying to fight for humanity.

It is fucking hilarious, man. He's, he's, yeah, he's very, very funny. Awesome. Uh, miles working people find you as their work in media you've been enjoying. Yeah, everywhere, everywhere. Um, more, more so on blue sky though at miles of gray, pretty much, uh, find Jack and I in the basketball podcast, Miles and Jack I'm at Boosties.

You can find me talking 90 day fiance, or 20 day fiance piece of media. Nothing specific, I would just say, take if you have the time off on the weekend, just honestly, just do watch something you love. Like watch whatever movie you loved in your youth and you forgot about and you haven't seen in 15 years watch that shit It's probably gonna suck, but I'm it's gonna hit your brain in weird ways

I just watched that movie little monsters recently with Ben Savage Yeah, and howie Mandel and I was like Yeah, I was like this shit. I was trying to get her majesty to watch my dish. Shit fucking goes. And we watched them like, yo, what the fuck? It's good. But still, it was like you a lot when I was a kid. Yeah. Oh, I loved it. I loved it. But it's more interesting to see how like you now look at things differently.

But it still had these like this, like these nostalgia endorphins hit my brain in a way I was not anticipating. So whatever that is for you, I encourage you to do that. Yeah. Like I still have the geography of that world, of the like underworld, under the beds. There's like a... The crates.

Yeah. Yeah. The world of the... Yeah. Very specific aesthetic of little monsters. Yeah. Yeah. No?

No? No? You can find me on Blue Sky, which I'm back in on after Janie Danger, a recent guest, turned me on to this starter pack of people to follow from juniper.beer on Blue Sky. That has helped a lot. I highly recommend using that starter pack. That's a good feed. Yeah, you'll get a bunch of good follows and then you'll stop getting all the stuff that

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or even on Mad Boosties where Blake and I and Jabari couldn't stop saying peekaboo, peekaboo, peekaboo. Look, get in on it. At the very least, check check out peekaboo and then you can get in on the Renaissance the revolution that is happening where we you know asking what they talking about they talking about they talking about they talking about anyway get in on that my recommendation peekaboo Kendrick Lamar have a great one hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey that's also in that song. All right we'll link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts from iHeartRadio. Visit the iHeartRadio

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