The Daily Zeitgeist - Ghislaine To The Rescue? Shrooms = Invincibility Hack! 07.31.25

Episode Date: July 31, 2025

In episode 1906, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian, Lydia Popovich, to discuss… Ghislaine Maxell Asking For Immunity to Testify? Life May Be In Danger? Maybe Not, Trump Says He Fell Out With Epstein Because He Was ‘Stealing’ Spa Workers, CALLED IT: Shrooms Will Make You Live Forever… and more! Ghislaine Maxwell Denied Immunity to Testify Before Congress Ghislaine Maxwell’s Life May Be at Risk in Prison: Author Trump Says He Fell Out With Epstein Because He Was ‘Stealing’ Spa Workers Did Trump Just Confess He Learned about Virginia Giuffre before Jeffrey Epstein Recruited Someone Else at Mar-a-Lago? CALLED IT: Shrooms Will Make You Live Forever… LISTEN: A So The System Work by Rudolph FrancisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How's the, how's the effort on getting the airport renamed going? We're at a little bit of a stall right now. Um, and I think that's okay. Yes. But no, it kind of, um, lost a little bit of movement because we started having gnarly ice rates here and I just felt kind of, to be frank with you, it just felt kind of like a silly thing to talk about and try to get people's attention when people are like being ripped out of their homes and restaurants. Like it was, it's been really bad here and just really shitty.

Is she on board with it? Like is she? So she's publicly like talked about it on three separate occasions, which is hilarious. But she's basically like the first time when it came out, she said, she's like, oh, I don't think that's a real thing. I think that's more of a joke. And then the second time she got asked about it, she was like, yeah, she's like, I guess it's real.

There was a petition going around and people are thinking about it. She's like, I still think it's silly. Why would you name it after me? And then she even commented on the catchphrase that we made up for it, which was like, it does sound kind of fun to say you're departing from part. She's like, that is pretty rad. And then she did it on Good Morning America too. Where she's like, it does sound kind of fun to say you're departing from parton. She's like, that is pretty rad.

And then she did it on good morning America too, where she's like, she loves it. Yeah. But she's doing that coy shit where she's like, oh, I think it's more than a joke than anything else. But I have, I have meet and greet tickets to see her in Las Vegas in December. So I will be telling her to her face. Hi, I started that petition and babe, it's not a joke Do I look like I'm joking I'm not fucking around stop saying it's a joke I'm not on the watch list for no reason, bitch. Come on.

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Hello the internet and welcome to season 339 nope 399. God damn almost 400 miles. It's gonna be a big season 400. Yep. Are you excited for it? Yep. I'll be there. You sure will.

So planned ahead. I'll be there with bells on. Episode four of Der Daily Zeitgeist. It's a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, July 31st, 2025. Fuck, man. It's already... August Eve. I thought it was just 4th of July.

I know. And it's already... man, fuck time, bro. Really? 4th of July? It seems like it was yesterday. That is fucked up. Fuck the passage of time, man. I know. And it's already, man, fuck time, bro. Really, 4th of July seems like it was yesterday. Fuck the passage of time, man. I don't like this at all. Anyway, it's National Avocado Day, National Chili Dog Day, National Mut Day. Hey, hey, shout out to all the mixed blood people.

Or I guess this is the dogs, too. They're talking dogs. Hey, if you straddle multiple ethnicities, it's also your day. Fuck the canines. Also, National Raspberry Cake Day. I didn't even know that was a thing. A raspberry cake? Nah.

I mean, it makes sense. I knew it was possible. I didn't know it was an iconic thing that deserved its own day, but maybe, maybe there's a big raspberry cake community out there just trying to get the word out. Yeah, probably. Probably. I like those little, you know, those like, those like tins full of like dry ass cookies You know where there's just like a bunch of different like butter cookies that are oh yeah

That becomes every immigrant mother's sewing kit That's not just a Yeah, the one really good cookie is I think has a little raspberry jelly in the middle of it I hate no I hate that You don't like that one. I fucking hate I whenever I'm eating a cookie, I don't like fruit flavors in it or chocolate or get that shit away from a pure. I like I don't like a fucking raspberry cookies. No, I'm OK. I'm fine with a chocolate chip cookie.

No fruit filling. Like I don't like fruit filling. I don't want like a cookie. Oh, you're like a raspberry. You don't want fruit filling in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I don't like a- No fruit filling? I don't want like a cookie with like a raspberry- Oh, you're saying chocolate, you don't want fruit filling in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I like a straight up truffle. It's weird.

I'm like a sort of- You don't like those chocolate covered cherries? I never even had one. Then the idea- Wow. I won't even respond to the question because I don't understand it. I've never had one and I won't dignify the question with the response.

Straight out of Lucille Bluth's playbook. I know. All right. My name is Jack O'Brien, AKA. Gailen is Epstein's girl. We're doing another uptown girl. Couldn't live long in that prison world. Now she'll turn cope for that Trumpy guy. So she can make a deal and maybe not die. I'll tell you why. That one courtesy of J Macadoozy.

I think that's how we're at J M. Acadoozy. I don't know how to say that, but there's really, there's no wrong way to say that one, anything ending with Cadoosie. I feel like just kind of rips. Jackadoosie. I'd take that as an AK. Whack. Thatips. Jackadoosie. I'd take that as an AK. That guy's whackadoosie.

Anyways, thank you, Jay Mackadoosie for that one. We will talk about Ghislaine and her situation in prison, whether she is in fact going to die. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, AKA. So no one told you life was gonna be this way. I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, AKA. So no one told you life was gonna be this way.

Pedophiles news won't quit. Use Bondi's DOJ. The list's at least as bad as it appears when it hasn't been the gay, the woke drag queens, but it's all your peers. So I'll be there for you. When Ghislaine starts to pour, I'll be there for you. The island? Been there before.

All right, anyway, shout out to Evil Timmy on the Discord. Wonderful friends theme. Just great, great, easy, easy, breezy. I feel like you sang the chorus like you were expecting me to come in for a harmony. I might have let you down there. No, not at all. Okay. Got it. I don't know if that's offensive, but Jack, I was never expecting a harmony.

I thought you did a great job. Miles, we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by a hilarious comedian, one of our favorite guests on TVZ. Dave Grohl once touched her arm and said, hey, you're pretty funny. You can see her on stages everywhere, including upcoming shows in San Francisco, Birmingham, Alabama, Nashville. It's the wickedly talented Lydia Popovich. Lydia Popovich. Lydia Popovich.

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Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. I was literally about to be like, fuck you. They're like, wait, we're living on this station. Um, are you telling me you're a snickerdoodle fucking sugar cookie only bro? Like are you only almond cookies? I was like, fuck off. Yeah, that would be terrible. No, no, no. I, I'm, I wasn't good at wording that when I have a box of chocolates.

You don't want any fruit in there. Nope. So you don't like chocolate covered raisins? Not really. See, I don't think that's a good representation. I think your chocolate covered cherry was a great representation. I love a chocolate cherry. I recently destroyed a whole bag of them that I got from Costco.

Are those fresh or this is a candy? This candy? Like they're like, I'm like a fresh, like a chocolate dipped strawberry. I don't know what a chocolate covered cherry is. We need to walk you through a series. I feel like it's the most classic of the box of chocolate. Chocolates is a chocolate covered cherry, which is like kind of floating in a liquor. Like a goo.

Oh, that mother f- Oh, hell, I've had goo. Oh, that's motherfuck. Oh, I've had that. No, disgusting. Your face. I know that one. Yeah, that one feels like you've eaten like a rotten egg or something. I mean, I like the texture of like the weird. Yeah, like, again, I just I have weird the mother flavors.

Not I don't like I don't I don't the harmony with the fruit isn't always my favorite thing as a chocolate Like I'll eat a chocolate strawberry. Like that's that's a different thing. Well, that's why I get it Like there's fresh chocolate dipped strawberries. There's fresh like caramel apples So like I guess I understand why a cherry you could assume that might be fresh. However, no, it's usually dried or it's usually To Jack's point. It's been steeped in a lacquer which has been gooped up and then Chocolate so you have like a like a sensory experience god damn. I'm having a sensory experience with that description Yeah, he really very like very alcohol. Yeah You know there's a bunch of booze. There's certain foods that like when I was a kid I was like that one tastes funny, but I like it, you know

And then you grow up because it's like whiskey I remember being probably like five or six and someone had given my dad one of those like little christmas boxes It has like the actual liquor bottles that are full of liquor So it would be like Cuervo, Jack, like it had all the little labels on it. It had like whatever, two drops of actual liquor in it. And I didn't know, I just was like, hey, let me be sneaky.

These are five chocolates I think I can get away with eating and no one's gonna notice. Housed them all and was definitely fucked up. Like for sure. It was a little problem. They were chocolates with the actual liquor inside. Yes, yes. Wow.

It was the actual liquor inside and I Pretend that seems like it's a method made like that. That is a product designed by Some secret cabal of trying to get children shit It was the early eighties, you know, I mean I was born in the late seventies So like they were doing all kinds of crazy shit I mean, they were giving us candy cigarettes that actually puffed smoke out. That's true. You know what I'm saying? We were trying to get that.

I think it's bestest construction dust in a tube. And like, look at this smoke. You're like, that's asbestos, y'all. They also still sold cigarettes in vending machines that you could literally put quarters into and think, think, think like with the fucking pull thing, too. I remember I remember me through high school. Yeah, I remember I got my mom to buy a pack of cigarettes because Cause she was like, cause I want to, I want to pull the thing. She's like, I don't smoke.

I'm like, please. Those arms that like distributed the cigarettes were also the same arms that come on pinball machines. Like, you know, for some reason, yeah, they're made by the same people. A good time. It's like shoes worn by priests and referees. They're, they're the same shoes. For some reason.

Disgusting. All right, Lydia, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about. We are going to talk about Ghislaine. Ghislaine Maxwell. just where she's at. It, did she ask for immunity to testify? She did.

She did. But not going forward. Uh, she did get, she did get her case of like, uh, I thought you guys were like supposed to have not been mad at me about this in front of the Supreme Court, which was pretty, I don't know, that was a pretty quick turnaround. Also her life may be in danger according to one of the investigative journalists in Florida, who kind of first broke the Epstein case and got people aware of that. So we're going to talk about that.

We're going to talk about Trump just once again, nailing his attempts to throw water on the flames of this by saying that the reason he fell out with Epstein was because he was stealing workers from him. That's some very euphemistic description. Workers. I'm trying to throw, I'm trying to douse this inferno with gasoline and it won't go out. He was stealing little, the guy who you're talking about, who you're, I'm getting in trouble for being associated with who's a sexual predator.

I was mad at him because he was stealing children from me, who I was employing. Is that a good, is that a good angle? You sure about that? That's the good rationalization? And also the timeline doesn't really make sense. No. So that was actually not the thing that got him bad. No.

It's the thing that he claimed, like he was like, maybe this will be a good lie to tell. He's really lost his bearings on how to lie to his base. So we'll talk about that. And also the fact that he is considering pardoning. Did he show up comes allegedly just that's such a, that's such a good look for him right now. What? Solid look, right? Yeah.

What do you mean deters from, you know, anything else? I think that his anti-black racism streak would be like, go hard on Diddy to try and make yourself look like you're protecting people and then be like, well, maybe they won't. It's kind of wild. I think he's just so inherently a pedophile and like a sexual predator that he just like can't.

Yes. Feel weird. He has to be like, well, you know, I'd have to look at the, what would actually happen, but you know, if it's not fair, what was done to him? Like, that's literally how he's talking about. He's just like, I can't, I can't accept this. And he did like get out of the Access Hollywood tape by just like steering into the curve like the way he does with racism, where everyone's like, Oh my God, he said the racist thing. Now he's in trouble and he just like doubles down on it. And it's like, Oh, but America is racist and they vote for him. He has had success doing that with being a sexual predator in the past. So I feel like maybe he's mistaking being a pedophile and sexual predator as like a

thing that he can just get away with by being like, Hey, what can I say? I'm a student like the Fonz. The world's worst boss. Yeah. Sketch. I don't know. We keep watching recently.

I feel like that's why it popped into your head in the first place, because we're seeing a lot of, a lot of shoulder wiggle. Let me just do something totally abhorrent in public and then hopefully I can just, a, my way out of it. I don't know. Anyways, he's trying to a, his way out of it. We'll talk about all that plenty more. But first, Lydia, we do like to ask our guest,

what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Richard Simmons estate sale auction, something I Googled mid-time last week. The late great Richard Simmons, he passed away at some point last year. In the last two weeks, his personal belongings have gone up at auctions. The first auction was at Bonhams, which is a very hoity-toity, very fancy institution. All of the good rich people, when you die, you want your shit to go to Bonhams.

That was the first one that I looked at. I did purchase two items from said auction. And then a secondary one, we'll get there. Yeah. And then a secondary auction popped up after the first Bonhams one closed. It was absolutely like the second wave yard sale version that was just like oh, here's just a bunch of random shit We found in boxes like all the stuff that was bands. Yeah, like not even that just like hey Did you want some dealing meal cards that are kind of like waterlogged? We got those

Did you want a case full of VHS tapes that never sold got them just like weird t weird tchotchkes are like, hey, this glass clown, did you want this? I got that for you. He was probably trying to get rid of that. Yeah. Literally. It's literally his trash. Yeah. Just like, Hey, here's shit I can't throw away because I've got too much of it.

People will know, Hey, Richard Simmons threw away all his tapes. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he can't be like, how do I even know this shit? But the first auction, the Bonhams auction was full of treasures, lots of treasures. We're talking all of his tank tops, like all of his outfits with the matching glasses and his shorts. We're talking about the Slimmin sign that was on the Slimmin's building itself, which I actually went to and took a class with Richard Simmons. A year to the day that I won my auction, in fact, or for 14 years to the day, I should say, from when I won my auction. He used to

have a studio in Beverly Hills that was incredible to go to. It was a fucking experience. Like, I don't know if I would call it a workout more than just like, you're just standing there, just like pretending to do the moves as you watch Richard just bounce around the room and like sexually assault people. It was incredible. I love it. Could not recommend it more. I'm so glad I did it. I went twice. It was fantastic. But he actually had a lot of incredible art. So I purchased art from the surrealist sculptor, Sergio Bustamante, who's still a living artist. He's a Mexican born artist. He's incredible. He does a lot of fantasy, meets Mexican folklore work. All of his shit's super weird. It'll be like, you know, um, like a moon with a weird human face or like,

it's like Salvador Dali-esque sort of sculpture. Okay. Yeah. He's a surrealist for real. So I bought two- What's his name again? Salvador Sergio Bustamante. Bustamante.

And the first thing that I got was these two suns that are basically like. Oh, hell yeah. These like beautiful suns, they're making different expressions and they have weird hands. And then the second thing I bought and I did not realize how big it was until after I won the auction. And now I am really nervous because it's a very delicate sculpture, but it is this awesome deer that's painted like blue and pink and it looks very whimsical and fancy like fantasy. And then

it has the creepiest human face ever. And I live out in the woods. We have lots of deers. There's antlers all over my house. We've talked about the antlification of my house. You know, the property is called deer ridge. So like it fit, I was like, Ooh, I need this deer in my life. But this year I have found out since that it is three feet high and two feet wide. It like it's a, it's a, it's a whole thing. A whole ass sculpture. So now I have to figure out I'm waiting for Bonhams to tell me how much it's going to cost to ship this delicate surrealist sculpture from Los Angeles to the backwoods of Tennessee. Yeah. If not great road trip movie for you in this one.

I'm looking at the sculpture right now and it is very cool. Is it going to be outdoor? No, it's indoor. Yeah, I'm going to do it indoor. It's super delicate. It may or may not be completely made of paper mache. That's what I've been trying to research and found out. A lot of his works were in paper mache. So now I'm just, I should have read it more,

I should have read the description more carefully, but guys, gals, if you're ever in an auction, don't get caught up, read the detail. Read the dimensions. Read the little things like dimensions. I should have, I just assumed it was like a figurine and absolutely it is not, it is a giant sculpture, but now I'm kind of more excited about it. Cause like, this is going to be cool.

Like this is, and it was in his personal gym and like all the things he really loved the most were in his personal gym. So it's just loaded up with Richard Simmons. Good vibe. So I can't wait. But yeah, what does that say about me? Uh, I like surrealist art. I like Mexican sculptors.

I love eclectic weirdos, uh, from the 1970s. I love gay men. Um, and I want to be writing to them daily. So I can'tic weirdos from the 1970s. I love gay men. Um, and I want to be writing to them daily. So I can't wait for this sculpture to get here. And then when people go, what the fuck is that? I'm like, well, Oh, I love your house. It's got a very serene, creepy vibe. Yeah. It looks like something from the beginning of one of the White Lotus intros. Like, you know, the animal with human face,

human with animal energy things that were happening. Wow, he loves it. There's so many Sergio Bustamante pieces in there. He loved Bustamante, yeah. And I'm a big fan of Bustamante as well, and his stuff is quite expensive and hard to come by. So I was just excited to like get stuff that was by an artist that I liked owned by an eclectic figure that I also like. Yeah. But yeah, wonderful name by the way, just to say Bustamante. Bustamante. It's great. I can't wait to see how my dogs are going to react to this three foot sculpture of a deer with a fucking face on it. They're going

to be like, kill it, kill it. Like, I'm pretty sure that deer is the same size as my candy corso. So they're going to be like, what the fuck? Yeah. Hey, it was this guy. It was this guy. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah, that was my search history. What is, uh, was something you think's underrated?

Easy. I came up with this yesterday. I was thinking about it as I was doing it and enjoying it. I was on my porch going for my, uh, my evening, my, my every evening smoke session, my, Hey, you finished your chores, sit down, get high, take a load off. And, uh, I remembered that you could put ice in a bong and, Oh, wow. We're going back in time. I think we've all forgotten.

Number one, most of us have forgotten about bong hits. Not me. Your girl stays true. Uh, you know, I, I love a big awkward glass bong. I like smoking like I did when've all forgotten. Number one, most of us have forgotten about bong hits. Not me, your girl stays true. I love a big awkward glass bong. I like smoking like I did when I was 19. There's something really nice about it. I got a big old glass bong by a company called Womp It. And-

Womp It? Dude, that's it. And their videos are great for their stuff because it's all about you can Womp It and it won't break. Like it's thick as- Oh, like Womp. Oh, I'm looking at it. Womp It. Yeah, Womp It. Okay as Oh, i'm looking at a wamp it. Yeah

Okay And I break things constantly so these things are the only bongs that I have not broken I shout outs to wamp it literally If you are a bong breaker get a wamp it. I have them in two sizes and it's great But yeah, I got the same toy manufacturers that made skip it. No that toy from the 80s Skip it bop it beep it right wamps. Bop it though. Skip it. Bop it. Beep it. Womp it.

Yeah, no. Womp it. Pass it. Hey man. Wow, this is, yeah, I mean. If you got a nice glass bong that has some like, you know, you gotta have a little indent so that the gap, you know,

it doesn't fall the way down to your stem. But if you fill that thing up with ice and it gets frosty, it's like literally icy bong heads are like the digital, or I'm sorry, like the stoner equivalent of a frosty beer mug. Like everybody loves a beer. A cold beer is great. A cold glass is great, but a frosty mug the fuck out of here. So the fuck out of here. That's incredible. Do you ever put glass in your stounding or ice in your student glass? I have. Yeah. Okay. I was going to say, I was doing that. Yeah, I definitely have. It doesn't have the same hit though, because like right now where I'm in the South,

it's extremely hot outside and my house is very air conditioned. So when I take that bong outside, it frosts up from the... Oh, immediately, right? ...temper difference. So you're holding a frosty bong and it's like the air is cold, the smoke is cold, like the thing is cold, like it's a whole visceral experience. Yeah, I get it. Okay. And then you also know when it's like the air is cold, the smoke is cold, like the thing is cold. Like it's a whole visceral experience.

Yeah, I get it. Okay. And then you also know when it's time to come back inside because the ice starts melting and you're like, we're done here. We're done here. And then you get back inside and you get back to business and you know, you make your family tacos. I'm doing the Google auto complete research, putting ice in dot, dot, dot bong.

Bong is number three on the list. What's number one? Right behind putting ice in front of a fan. Oh, yep. That's a, that's a very low, low, low cost way to get an air conditioner. The next one sounds like a way to start a terrible structure. Yeah. Putting ice in a fryer.

Don't. Great. You're going to have fucking hot grease popping off everywhere. That's not number two, is it? That is number two, is putting ice in a fryer ahead of putting ice in a bung. I think you do the first one to cool down, you do the second one to give yourself problems, and then you do the third one, putting ice in a bung to help alleviate those problems.

While you wait for the ambulance to come? Exactly. What does that mean? problems while you wait for the ambulance to come. I don't like that. Exactly. I said garbage disposal. I don't know what that could possibly do. Um, but putting ice in toilet to clean. Yeah. Do you ever think that ice cleans your toilet? I don't know.

Mike, is that because they go to a bar and see, I feel like they've seen the ice in the urine urinal and been like, Oh, that must be for a reason and not just because the bar had extra ice to get rid of. And it's kind of like a fun vibe. Yeah. Well, hey, whatever. Hey, ice in a bong mill. Yeah. What do you think is overrated? Okay. Summering in summer, right? Like everybody loves to travel in the summer. Oh, let's go somewhere in the summer. Like, you know, everybody travels around, everyone's on vacation. Like if you work at a day job, like July is like a ghost town. And if you're like the only loser that didn't like book in advance, you're sitting there working and

everyone's like in Italy and fucking, you know, Greece and you know, me and my family went here and everyone's summering in the goddamn summer. Uh, that shit is overrated. It's too fucking hot to be summering in the summer. There's too many people around. I say summer in September, the kids have gone back to school, grandma and grandpa are back on the program. Everyone's out of their league.

You know what I mean? Like it's just September. Everyone is, you know, everyone in Europe has gone back to work. You know what I mean? Everyone in Europe gets August off, so they're just fucking around and going everywhere. So it's like, wait till September. Wait till September. Low season.

It starts getting cooler. It gets more manover. Then you can actually enjoy it. Like how many times you're like, oh, I'm going to go with my family to like the amusement park and you come home just fucking sunburned and pissed. And it's like, yeah, because it's too fucking hot to be outside for eight hours what are we doing you shouldn't be doing this we should be inside you should be out for 20 minutes and then get your ass back inside and then but you can't do that because you wasted you know no no no i spent 1200 to be here this weekend i'm gonna

and that's for my ticket i'm gonna give myself cancer having fun in this sun so i say you know what i mean hell yeah take a walk in the summer wait till september you know I mean? But don't everybody start doing that because I want a summer in September. You keep your summer ass in fucking August, July. I'm going to actually underrated summering in the summer is what I believe. Y'all keep doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's good. And that's the advice I'm talking about. Also pull your kids out of school once in a while and go to the amusement park. You'll have much more fun. Oh my god. Yes. Those are some of my greatest memories. They're just like days that my dad was like, you don't have to go to school today. That's funny. Let's go. Go do something. I never had that shit. Fucking never. The one time my mom let me skip school for a non-you-are are ill reason was because Hideo

Nomo threw a no hitter against the Colorado Rockies. I mean, yeah. And mine were only sports related to it was the first two days of the NCAA tournament. It was a big moment. This is a national holiday for our family. Yeah. I remember took like I told mom was like, no, no, no hitter. I'm like, I don't want to go to school tomorrow.

She's like, OK. And I was like, yo, yes, Japanese baseball based fucking wins for me. No hitters, no day. Yeah, exactly. No day. I know. No, I will never forget that. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget. There's a Colorado Rockies. Play your kids out and go.

I'm going to do that. That's my shit. I meant right now is when my kids are back in school in September, I am pulling them out of school one day and taking them to Knott's Berry Farm. Dude. That's great. We were put on to how great Knott's Berry Farm was by Caitlin Durante, I believe. And we haven't gone because it's been summer and it's going to be crowded every fucking day.

But once everybody's back in school, I'm going to combine two great takes by two great comedians and go to northbury farm I love it, but not in the summer. I love it. You're doing it, right? You're doing it, right? You're being you're being cool. My dad, uh, didn't believe in the man So I didn't have to go to school if I didn't want to for the most part And he would pull me out all the time for weird reasons He'd be like you want to go for a drive and i'm like, but I gotta go to school He's like well reasons. He'd be like, you want to go for a drive? And I'm like, but I gotta go to school. He's like, well, you want to go to school. You want to go for a drive?

And I'd be like, all right, cool. We go for a drive and I thought we'd be doing something cool. And we'd really just be like driving to my uncle's house in union city. And I'm like, how is, what, why did we come here? Why are, why are we here? I thought we were doing something cool. And like, and then, uh, years later I came to found out it was usually, uh, he was taking long drives to go buy weed or hash or some sort of drug run.

Uh, that just seemed better if you had a child with you, cause that's responsible parenting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's harder to, you gotta be low. Search somebody when they've been in the car. Take it, my kid. Yeah. She's yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't look at her purse. It's, it's 11 30 on a Wednesday. We're, we're taking into account that, that the cop might be like, why isn't she in school? What school is she in school? Hard knocks officer. Can we, can we go? What's going on?

Get this over with. What the fuck is this? Are you harassing her, man? She just got back from Iraq. Listen, she learned about kilograms the hard way today. Come on. That's right. Uh, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And Ghislaine is how we're saying it, right? I mean, yeah, whatever. Ghislaine, Ghislaine. We said Ghislaine is how we're saying it. I mean, yeah, whatever. Gisling Ghislaine. We said Ghislaine in the beginning. It's Ghislaine, Ghislaine, whatever. I think it's Ghislaine everyone's saying.

I think that's where we landed, but, um, yeah, the, the, we are fully in the, you know, what maybe Ghislaine Maxwell can offer an out to Donald Trump to try and make all of this go away away to make it look like his best friend, Jeffrey Epstein was, I don't, I don't even, I honestly, I don't even know how they think this is going to work. I'm even having trouble finding the logic here aside from probably having her just literally be

like, no, Donald Trump is the nicest guy had nothing and doing nothing. Right. Right. No further questions. Can we be done now? But yeah, like you were saying up top, so she was subpoenaed to go testify in front of Congress.

She said, look, I've got terms. I want immunity. Right. And they swiftly came back to from like, they responded to her lawyer's letter and like, oh yeah, like we're going to go over some of the other requests, but yeah, we will not. The request for immunity from future prosecution

as a condition has been denied. So that is going to be, you know, not on the table anymore. But again, it gets a little messy because she also has like the DOJ is trying to make a deal with her. The, you know, we've seen the deputy attorney general meet with her to try and figure out like what sort of testimony she's going to give or new evidence. So it's not even clear how any of these like, I have immunity but only from this prosecution based off of this, this congressional committee I spoke to, but also I'm trying to get pardoned.

I'm also going to have my appeal heard by the Supreme Court. We have a date now, the end of September is when SCOTUS will, dip their toe into the sordid waters of this whole scandal. She's saying like like when you gave him that highly suspicious deal where you were like, he pleads to prostitution, I think, and nobody who is remotely involved in this can ever be prosecuted again.

In a case that everyone was like, at the time was like that, that seems really strange. She was like, that should apply to me. Every defense lawyer was like, how you do that? How you get that fucking deal? What the fuck? And at the time, Alex Acosta said, I, there, I couldn't touch him.

He belongs to intelligence. Yeah. Hmm. Well, whatever, whatever that could possibly mean. Yeah. But I, I have a feeling she's going to say whatever it takes based on there are journalists who have been, I think, involved in this case for a long time, who've cultivated her as a source and their account of what it's like for her in prison sounds like it wouldn't be the

ideal living situation for somebody who grew up as like a fucking socialite, you know, which she did. Like her dad was like a very wealthy guy who died under mysterious circumstances and who like a bunch of Israeli intelligence officials, like were at his funeral for some reason and people at his funeral were like, people will never know what he did for the state of Israel. But anyways, no, we can't even say like, no, you'll, I, you'll never find out. Literally.

I meant that seriously. We don't like joke when we say people will never know. You literally will never know. But anyways, she grew up extremely wealthy. And now like the story that I'm hearing is she like was worried about these two inmates who found out that she was getting special treatment from the kitchen staff because she's vegan. And so they were like giving her vegan food and they got

mad and were basically bullying her into giving her all their common all her commissary budget like just like giving them all the money and like we're threatening to beat the shit out of her and so they got put into solitary for 50 days and their 50 days are up and they're back out and she like, can't even shower because she's so scared that these two people are going to fuck her up. That sounds like the sort of situation where she's going to be like, literally whatever you want me to say, like my friend, whatever you want me to say. But she's going to say, she's just going to, it's just going to be straight up

nonsense because it's going to be truly like, okay, look, we drafted this set of truths for you to say out loud and it's going to contradict everything that's out there in the world. And just so say that so we can absolve Trump of any guilt. But I don't know. I mean, like, because she's also said, even if, if she's pardoned, she's still down to testify and that's, I'm like, oh, maybe she, then she uses that to turn up. But again, I don't, I really doubt her, her sort of bona fides is like a gangster.

Who's like, I'm never talking like I'll, I'll start rotting in here. Like, no, no, no. Prison is a terrible place. Even if you grow up, even if you didn't grow up as a socialite, you don't want to fucking be a prick. I was saying that's the whole purpose of prison. It's not like it should have mattered if you grew up in like a hoarder's home with rats eating your feet at night. Like nobody wants to go to prison. Like that doesn't mean you deserve to be in prison and have be treated shittily just as someone who grew up, you know, with a silver spoon and satin bows in their hair. It does not matter. The point of the matter is,

yeah, you assisted many, many women being their lives destroyed and trafficked and like, yeah, talk about it. What I'm just worried about is that like, to your point, you know, miles, if they draft up something and say, Hey, here's a set of truths we want you to say. And she just says, whatever. I don't want it to be so outlandish that like the whole thing gets thrown out with the bathwater, because they're like, she was coerced, who knows if she was coerced into this, she was coerced into this and now nothing she says is valid. And like, that's what I don't want to happen is, is for them to negate everything because she's so, she's so, she's so, she's so, she's so, she's so Coerced who knows if she was coerced into this she was coerced into this and now nothing she says is valid and like That's what I don't want to happen is is for them to negate everything because she's such duress

That now we can't trust her when it's like I mean not that we need to trust her But you know what I'm saying like we all know like terrible shit fucking happen. She knows some shit though for real She absolutely does Yeah, that's where does I don't know that we can, I don't know that there is a scenario under which like she comes out and says something that we're, unless it's like so like unfortunate for her and like the people in power who could help her. Like I, any, anything else, I'm just going to always be like, this seems like she's just do it saying whatever the fuck she can to get out of trouble.

Yeah. You don't have a lot of goodwill going into it when you're a convicted child trafficker, so it's a little bit hard. But again, every day we just learn more things and how things intersect and what the deal is. Because just to start off, there were files, but then there were no, there was no list. And maybe Epstein's a good guy, but then Trump is trying to associate other people with Epstein, which means it's bad.

But if it's Trump associated with him, it isn't bad. And like, so nothing is, nothing is ever consistent. Then we're like, so is he a bad guy? And he's like, oh yeah, I stopped talking to him a long time ago. And like, Oh, maybe that's he's implying that he knew something. And that's why like, he's Trump is of such upstanding moral character that he's like, Well, I certainly can't be associated with him. But since Monday, Trump has been slowly revealing that he's like,

you know, like, I knew the guy, but look, he was bad. So we stopped being friends. And then there's nothing to see here, but then we're finding out now. So what the reason is, and he began to elaborate. Why did you guys, what was that falling out? Because here you are saying he's a great guy. And then now you're saying he's bad guy. What happened in between there?

Oh, so let me tell you. So he was on a plane. He was on air force one, I guess, thinking shit that you say on a plane is less scrutinized or something. I'm allowed to say we were over international waters. International airspace. So whatever, whatever I say, it cannot be used in the court of opinion. Snakes on this plane, there's snakes on this plane.

We can't keep the truth. I'm tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane. He goes on, they ask him straight up. They're like, so what's the deal here? What, what, why did you fall out? And he begins to explain that it was for Trump where Epstein was trafficking miners, I mean, stealing workers from the Mar-a-Lago spa is what his explanation. Here's Donald Trump in his own words, explaining what the fallout

was between him and Jeffrey Epstein. Donald Trump in his own words, explaining what the fallout was between him and Jeffrey Epstein. I said, listen, we don't want you taking our people, whether it was spa or not spa. I don't want him taking people. And he was fine. And then not too long after that, he did it again. And I said, out of here. Mr. President, did one of those stolen, you know, persons that include Virginia Neffrey? That's the woman who was, you know, one of the mainly... One of the key witnesses. Yeah. And especially tied up with the woman who was, you know, one of the mainly witnesses.

Yeah. And especially tied up with the Prince Andrew part or Prince Andrew aspect of the scandal. Uh, I don't know. I think she worked at the spa. Oh, you do know. I think so. I think that was one of the people.

He, he stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us. He stole her. And by the way, she had no complaints about us. I'm just so fascinated by the choice of words here. He stole her, stole her. That's a possession. Taking people out of the spa.

Yeah. He didn't say he was trying to headhunt my staff. He didn't say he was hiring people and offering them more money to come and work for him. No, take him. Stolen. He stole her. Stole her. Stole my people. Mine.

My, my people. My 17 year old girl who was working as a massage assistant. Why was she working as 17 in your spa? She was, look. Soft hands. Soft hands of children. Stop zooming in on what I'm saying. Why was she working as 17 in your spa? She was looked. I looked. Soft hands. Soft hands of children. Stop zooming in on what I'm saying.

Okay. Sure. It's because like if you, so mind you, Galeen Maxwell is the one that spotted her as a 17 year old at the Mar-a-Lago spa. She was apparently reading a book about massage therapy and she's like, Oh, would you like to, are you interested in that? And she's like, I can offer you a job being Mr. Epstein's personal masseuse.

And that was the beginning of the end for her. And very shortly after, she was being forced to have sex with men. So this whole thing of like the idea of like, well, taking my workers and stuff like that, that is doing a lot of fucking work here. A lot of heavy lifting for whatever you think or whatever, however you're trying to portray this. And again, he was saying, then there was another person and then after that I said, you're gone.

So first of all, 2000. I mean, at least he, you know, made it, made a swift decision, right? This is. Yeah, it was a swift decision. So here's the timeline, right? 2000 is when, uh, Virginia, uh, Ju-Fray or Jeffrey, however you pronounce that was, uh, first spotted by

Ghislaine Maxwell and then became part of like the Epstein, like just predation machine. That was 2000. And then he's like, yeah. And I kicked him out. But, but let's just think about this. There's that quote that came out where it said, quote, I've known Jeffrey for 15 years.

Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he that came out, said, quote, I've known Jeffrey for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do. And many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it. That quote was given to New York magazine in 2002. Well, we're off.

So you kicked him out after that. But then 2002, you're saying to this dude, Ray, you like the young women. It's not kind of like I do. Right. OK. Then in 2003, that's when that birthday card then 2002, you're saying to this dude's radio, he liked the young women's sign kind of like I do. Right. Okay. Then in 2003, that's when that birthday card of like, are may another, may this day be another, whatever beautiful secret or enigma or whatever the fuck he said. That's also like in his quote, the tone of his quote is no doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys his social life.

Like he's doing the same, like winking, like we have a secret. Yes. And it's a fun, beautiful secret thing. And in the quote he's giving to New York magazine in 2002. So then that birthday card is 2003. Y'all are still homies, but then he goes on to say little wink, wink. We're both pedophile fun, fun jokes. Right. And then it wasn't until a member of Mar-a-Lago's daughter complained about Epstein harassing her and trying to recruit her that he, that he, like, that's when people are like, Oh, that's when it became more public that his

friend is now like, this shit is bleeding into Mar-a-Lago members, knowing like this guy's a fucking creep. Yeah. And apparently that's when he didn't want any public scandal. But when people look at the registration books of who's a member Epstein was still a member of Mar-a-Lago until 2007. So you're like, what? Okay, sure.

That's, that's, that's the new thing he's trying to throw out. He's like, then Jeffrey got, got, was stealing my workers and that was enough. And then there's another version of like, are these people that you were both trafficking or something and that's what you're getting up in arms about, or then other people point to a real estate deal, but no matter how you look at it, it's clear that Donald Trump knew about the criminality of Jeffrey Epstein and was surely at the best he could do is say he knew about it and didn, as we've talked about on recent episodes, I feel like a big part of this is also just like that the implication that these are like wealthy people who are. Preying on people who aren't as wealthy as them and just treating them like objects.

Like there's also that like him being like, he's stealing people from me. Like you were saying, like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like objects. Like there's also that, like him being like, he's stealing people from me. Like you were saying, Lydia, is like, such a, like these people who work for me are my possessions. Like that whole like CEO thing that I feel like everybody's familiar with. If you've like worked for a company

and they treat you as if you owe them your life because they gave you a job, like, and they treat you like they belong, like you belong to them, you know, like that's that I feel like there's that in there also, which again, like I feel like it's an underrated part of this story that everybody like wants these people to go down because we've all been like fucking treated like shit by these like powerful people. And like, so for him to be like buying into that and like, just not able to get his brain out of that place where he is like, he stole people from me is also, I don't know. I think interesting telling. Yeah. I mean, every single thing it's, I think that know, I think interesting telling. Yeah.

I mean, every single thing it's, I think that's what's just so weird. It's like every media report like doesn't really isn't connecting the dots. They're like, this guy's been friends with him for so fucking long. Yeah. Like why are we pretending? Like, this is like an opaque mystery box that we can't figure out. These two men are talking about people. They're talking about children and they're talking about women who they

basically traded like fucking baseball cards, right? Well, he had the fucking Pikachu 1997 and I, I, I've had that gold, gold trumancer, you know, stuck in, in a box and he showed up and he took my trumancer. It's like, no, these are humans. These are people. These are people. These are actual people. Like it's such a power trip, right? Of like, Oh, let me gotta collect them all.

You know what I mean? I know I said baseball cards, but you know what I mean? I meant to get two cards, but still it's just what a way, like this isn't about people, this isn't about his relationship. This is about Donald Trump and power. Yeah. Like power is the thing that gets him off. Not to say that children don't, but like, you know, power is his real thing.

That's what he wants to know is that like, I have the most power. Well, and like, you know, we talked about those other anecdotes or like people who have like met Trump with Epstein, like how Trump would just jump on him. And Jeff Epstein would be like, Oh no, Donald, no, this is young women women would come through and he'd be like, no, no, no, Donald, sorry. No, she's working on a project for me. He would be like, oh, my bad. Also, the person he jumped on overheard him say, I thought she was 16 when I saw her.

Yeah, the context was very clear. Mysteries abound. Yeah, that very clear. Mysteries abound. Yeah, that's right. Mysteries abound. There's new wonderful mysteries around every corner, according to that note that he clearly didn't write, even though he was giving quotes to the New York magazine at the time in the same tone. I'm wondering what the experience is like for all the comms people right now in the same tone. I'm wondering what the, what the experience is like for all the comms

people right now in the white house who they're being told constantly don't Trump's been like, we need to stop talking about this shit cut to him. Jeffrey Epstein. Yes. Uh-huh. Well, let me tell you, and like, he's going, he's not even staying on script for what they're supposedly trying to do and try to stonewall the media.

And then he is constantly contradicting himself and establishing all these different like versions of if Epstein is bad or maybe he's not bad, but these other people that hung out with him, you should look into them, but not me, the guy who's on wax concept. Cause I never had the privilege of going to his island. I don't know if they're just like, whatever, bro. Like he's just gonna like, we just have to fucking just chill till he, you know, he doesn't he does himself in or something. I don't know. They need to replace all those comms people currently like they need to go

restaff them on to like, to be producers on like Bravo and like Love Island so they can actually learn how to produce a story. You know what I mean? Like the people that are in the White House don't know what they're doing. Like I truly, truly believe that where they're like, they're trying to follow by the rules. Like, wait, what is happening? It's like, no, no, you need to think reality, like reality TV mentality. Like seriously, they need to get some producers from these reality TV shows in there to like, get a hold of this. Like I really believe like that mentality is the only way that we're going to break

Donald Trump. You can't do it with traditional mentality. You need to do it with a big show mentality. And I don't feel like any of the people we have in those houses right now understand how to like communicate with him effectively. I don't know. Yeah. Well, he's just, I think when you're dealing with someone senile and dealing with their

own guilt in real time out loud, like it, no, no, there's nothing to be consistent about it. It's just going to be constant sort of like rhetorical flailing, which is all you're seeing. And I'm like, at what point does this really going to have an effect on sort of his leadership or people looking at his leadership differently? Cause right now, I mean, the polls keep going down and down and down and down, but I don't know if how much public opinion will matter if this gets worse in terms of, you know, any, any kind of movement to get him to resign or

something that just seems like a bridge to. I don't think that's gonna ever happen. It's never gonna happen. I agree. Yeah. I think it'll just continue to be a story because there's so much smoke and so many details that can be pulled out. And he's so clearly like there, there are, he was

complicit in a lot of the shit at the very least, but I don't think, I think it'll keep going down and then it hits that like hard rock seller of his numbers where it's just like, and then these people just will, will die before they, like, Cause like close to a third of Republicans either believe he was, he's implicated in Epstein's crimes or aren't sure if he is or isn't. Right. And then like 60 some percent are like, he's innocent, but there's like a sizable

number of like, like of Republicans, whereas like 95% of like, you know, the Democrats that they like, they pull are like, oh yeah, this motherfucker. I do have a question about the competency. Whereas like 95% of like, you know, the Democrats that they like, they pull are like, Oh yeah, this motherfucker. I do have a question about the competency. Like Lydia, you were talking about that these people don't know what the fuck they're doing because like, I was reading this mother Jones piece about like. The idea of teasing disclosure and like how this was from like a month ago. And they were talking about how the Trump administration was always teasing disclosure of like JFK files. The government is always teasing disclosure of like UFO stuff.

And they also mentioned like the Epstein files. And like since that time, obviously they stopped teasing it and started like being like, there's nothing to see here. We're not going to like, we got to the bottom of it and it's, it's done. Which is like, I don't know. So the article says gathering a strong dominant and loyal following was the game all along. An audience hotly expecting new disclosures and revelations around every corner is an inherently loyal one. Which actually reminded me of the show Lost when that show was still coming out. Yes.

Because everyone had their pet theories and believed they were right, and they were about to be proven right on the next episode. Everyone's involved in the detective work of piecing the plot together, and they make the main characters, whoever they want them to be. That works really well. I remember when Lost was on, the fan base was so loyal. Then they ran out of runway and had to go with an answer,

because it was like, well, this is the last episode, so we have to say something. All right, show our hand. They're dead all along I guess. And that was like a huge turn. And like I feel like that is kind of what we're seeing here with Trump being like and this is the final episode of the Epstein thing and it uh not nothing to see here. He was actually an angel. It was actually, uh, he was an angel all along.

But that's the thing that I keep asking is like, why did they feel like they were out of runway? Why did they think, why did he do it? Why did he say, uh, we actually looked into it and, uh, we're not going to disclose anymore in the, there are no Epstein, there's no list, there's no files. Like the U S government has been teasing alien disclosures for fucking like decades, you know, like half a century. Like, uh, I, I just, I don't know. Was it incompetence?

Was it that he brought in like Dan Bongino and Patel to like, put them in positions of power and then they like pushed too far and he had to be like, we're not going to do anything. Did they just like find out that they like realized that Trump was all over the files and like they put pressure on him to like do something because it is weird, like they could have done this indefinitely and instead they chose to try and just be like, uh, and here's the final episode of Lost and we're all good here, nothing to see. And totally fuck it up for every, for themselves in a way that is wonderful.

America's still standing on business trying to tell everyone that we went to the moon. You know what I mean? Like, oh, we went to the moon? That wasn't just like a great film. Like, there's so many lies that they put together, you know what I mean? And like, hey, maybe we did go to the moon. I don't know. Wait, hold on.

I was like, wait, hold on. Wait, are you a moon conspiracy theorist? You're a mooner? I kind of, lightweight, yes. Like, I kind of feel like we didn't go to the moon. Like, oh, we went to the moon. I don't know, man. We haven't been back. We have cars that run on fucking electricity and dreams.

And we're doing the why haven't we been back? Yes. That's the whole like, what did we learn? Why? Why? What was so crazy up there? Like, I don't I don't know, man. Like, I used to believe it. Now I'm like coming back around. And I don't know if that's just because I'm closer to 50 than I am to 30. But to me, it's more representative of just our government's ability to like,

this is the biggest story. No, it isn't. Yes, it is. No, it isn't. The alien shit is hilarious. It's just like the constant chasing of the plot is just very funny to me. For the record, I do think the world is round. I do think it is a round. I do think it is a globe. I'm not a flat earther, but I don't know if we went to the moon. Now who's naive? Lydia. Yeah, I know. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think aren't we supposed to isn't Artemis to supposed to go back soon? Yeah. I think the big reason was because of funding and

shit. They're like, bro, we don't need it. We have other shit. We need to fuck up there. They're just like, well, why didn't we send Katy Perry and Gayle King while we had a chance? You know what I mean? We sent them ten minutes up and that's it, just so that they can hang out. Send those bitches to the fucking moon. Let's do this again. I want to see Gayle walk on the goddamn moon. Neil Armstrong, boo.

Put a stiletto in that dirt, bitch. Let's go. I will say, the other thing with the UFO disclosure, like when they actually had that congressional testimony, it felt like that actually poured a bunch of, like it, there was a lot of like hype growing and growing around UFOs and disclosure. And then they had a press conference where somebody who had like worked in the Pentagon was like, yeah, there's like wild shit that like, you guys don't know. And then everybody just like kind of got quiet on it, which I think is like the biggest testimony

to like people like these conspiracy theories until they get an answer. And then they're like, no, that's not what I was hoping for. And so it like, it takes all the power out of it. I know, man, that alien is this Alien or Cake video really hit for me? I was just like, yes. Yes, it's cake. It's cake. Yes, it's both. What if it's both?

It's both. Yeah. But all of which to say, just everything from the past month and a half from the Trump administration has been an amazing own goal where they could have just teased this and teased this. I mean, the very sort of how did this all this sort of timeline that we know is Bondi told Trump that he was in the files in May. And then Elon, when he fell out in the beginning of June was like, yo, Trump, you know why he not talking about the files?

Cause he's in them. Right. So maybe it's Elon that like spooked him a little bit. And that's why he felt like he needed to, needed to come out. I think it's probably a combination of someone reminding him. There are no files actually. It's probably the combination of Bondi reminding him. It's why he felt like he needed to come out. I think it's probably a combination of someone reminding him. There are no files actually. It's probably the combination of Bondi reminding him.

He's like, yeah, bro, you in, you're in that shit. And he's like, oh, right. Uh, oh. And then Elon be like, Ooh, he's in the Epstein files. And then he's like, we need to dead this shit now. Yeah. See, there's nothing because that's such a weird. I don't know. Like if he, if he just kind of let that cook and not said anything,

I don't know if people talk about it because somehow that wasn't all of the evidence that's existed before all of this wasn't enough for people to be talking about this. It's just wild that like, because the right is now interested in his sexual potential, sexual predation or his intersection with a sexual predator like Epstein, that now it's becoming a thing everyone can talk about again. Whereas before they're like, this is so much to hit drop. Well, because the mainstream media totally takes their cues from the right. They're like, is it okay for us to talk about this?

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Specifically. Of any kind, Miles? No, no, it's psilocybin specifically. Oh, I love those. Yeah. Do they have those at the farmer's market? If you go to the right one, man. Yeah, no, for real, truly. Especially in like a place like Oakland where you can, you go actually pull up to like a farmer's market where you can do you go actually like a farmers anyway

So look no one tell Peter Thiel or the you think the Sunblood addict CEO Brian Johnson? But research guy who uses the Sun as a blood. Yeah, Sunblood not su and so and Sunblood Brian Johnson because researchers have found a possible additional benefit to psilocybin Not only does it make you better at drums. Okay. And then suddenly way worse. Yeah. And then when you come down, you're like, damn, that was only 60 seconds.

I was playing that solo. Shit. I felt like I was doing the Moby Dick John Bonham drum solo. Apparently can extend your life. Kind of. Quote. Um, apparently can extend your life kind of quote in a lab experiment researchers treated human skin and lung fibroblasts with a silicon, a compound our bodies convert from psilocybin. These cells lasted 50% longer than untreated cells.

Then came the mice. This is from a vice article quote, then came the mice experiments, elderly lady mice. Okay, vice really trying to be conversation here. Elderly lady mice. Lady mice, okay. We're viceing it up, elderly lady vice mice. Roughly the equivalent to 60 something year old humans

were given monthly doses of psilocybin. After 10 months, 80% of the psilocybin mice were still kicking compared to just 50% of the control group. Not only did they outlive their sober sisters, yikes, spice, come on, but they also showed fewer visible signs of aging. It's official. You can live forever by eating mushrooms. That's it.

No further questions. Your honor. My client is not guilty. Is this micro dosing or are the mice just going wild? That's one of my questions. Yeah. How high are the mice? Daily hero doses.

Your honor, how high are the mice just going that's one of my questions. Yeah Daily hero doses your honor how high are these mice also? Can I get the black mold in my home swapped out? Right for a cell assignment. I can I get like just you know up the walls and shit Yeah, like, you know when you mold remediation, like, yeah, take this out, but can you don't take it out? Just just swap it. Right. So like, I don't want to see the mold, but like if it's going to get me high and keep me alive longer, let's let's just do that. And then that's my microdose. I wonder if that ever happened. like the, like there, there was a type of, I think mold, it might, it might be a fungus,

like infested the bread, the season in like Salem when the witch trials happened. And like, so everybody was just having a bad trip that whole time. And that's like why the Salem witch trials happened. I wonder if there's- All right. All right. Let's just ease up there. That's just like a man trying to make up a story for why, like I'm sorry, but that's toxic. Wait, misogyny was a brain fungus. It was a bad trip, man. We just murdered thousands of women. I was like, whoa. I told her not to leave that bread out so long.

I do wonder if there's ever an infestation of like good psychedelics where people are just like where you look back and you're like actually everybody was just like really high and having a great time like I think that's called holland right just holland right they're just cool over there everybody's fine yeah that's funny naturally the Salem Witch Museum had to debunk the ergot theory. Oh really? Yeah, they had so people, because they're like, we hear this all the fucking time guys. It's not ergot.

We hate women in this country. It's Christianity. It's misogyny. It's violent misogyny. That's what it is. It took a very odd whimsical form back then. That's it. That's right.

That's it. It wasn right. That's it. It wasn't shrooms. We have to, that'd be funny. Like someone has like the confetti civil war theory of like fungus. They're like, you know, they were keeping slaves because of a moldy bread. Oh, biscuits were a bitch, man. That's it. You just had a bunch of old biscuits. Next thing you know, you're like, let's kill black people.

Like it was, that's right. Why? That's without that, without just had a bunch of old biscuits. Next thing you know, you're like, let's kill black people. Like it was, it was wild. Without that, without that, we would be living in harmony. Wait, so why do so many people in the South still have that opinion? Why do they have a different vision? They have biscuits are new. No, they're still, some people, you know, still have old biscuits. Confederate biscuits. It's just there, you know, sourdough starter, it gets passed on from generation to generation.

How many years has that sourdough started? This has been in my family since at least the 1700s. Oh, I'm not eating that. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. This bread, so this bread was doing slavery. No, this bread is slavery. Yeah.

I'm happy to hear about the drug scene though, because I am a firm believer like part of my like aging plan, part of my personal retirement plan is, you know, really cleaned up my act, you know, from about 30 to, you know, currently on the cusp of 48. I've been living a pretty clean life. I don't even drink anymore. I still smoke weed like the bejesus, you know, I will do some mushrooms every once in a while. Bejesus sounds like a character of youth pastor brings up who smokes a lot of wheat. Like the Jesus did. It's just a bomb with long hair. Short for bong Jesus.

It's got a really cool mustache. It's like, hey guys. When a backwards hat. What if Jesus just had a mustache? What if he had shaved his beard? I think about that all the time. Just like a righteous mustache, just really long and like not twirly,

but just like one of those big that covers the full lip. Like just like a crazy mustache. Yeah. Yeah. No one's doing that version with like looking like Dennis Eckersley or some shit. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, so what's your aging plan? You said I want to like, I want to make it to 70 and then I want to start partying hard. Oh, I make it to 70 and then I'm like, Hey, what's up? You guys want to do some blow? Like what's going to happen? I'm going to die. Sounds great. I know you will. I just get this. Let's wrap this thing up. Yeah, I'm just going to start.

Like I'm just going to acquire addictions. I'm going to be like, you know what I'm into? It's going to methamphetamines. Never did it. Yeah. Never tried it. Let's see what's going on. What's the new shit? There's gonna be new drugs I'm gonna try. I just literally want to be like zonked out on drugs on my property and just have like a very handsome nurse check in on me every three days and be like, she's been on a three day bender, but she's still naked. She's good. She's good. She's good. She's all right by me, sir. And if it's going to backfire on me though, and I'm going to last until 90, I got to know that I got to not take, I can't take mushrooms, just hard shit only after seven.

Oh, interesting. Really hard shit only after 70. That's been smoking heroin like the bejesus. That's where the bejesus lives child. Don't go there. Um, the thing like with all the psychedelic research, you know, like how we see constant breakthroughs with how psychedelic therapeutics are like helping people. I'm like, and now you just see like, they're like, Whoa, this place, psilocybin was just helping this like

tissue last longer. Obviously, this is a very narrow study or whatever. But I just feel like we're 10 years away truly from researchers being like, yeah, psychedelics are always the best thing for us ever, that we should have been thinking about how to use a little bit more therapeutically. And it's actually the solution to all of our societal ills. That's right. All right. Thank you for thank you for coming to the Grateful Dead concert. No further questions, your honor.

Yeah. Either of you guys watch the secret live of Mormon housewives? No, no, I heard about that. Yeah, that was when I came heard about that. Oh yeah. That was when I came out last year. I heard much tell. Yeah. Uh, it was a wild ride, but in season two, uh, there is a scene wherein, uh, one of the,

the couples is doing ketamine therapy together in their home, which just makes me laugh. Cause I'm like, you motherfuckers don't drink caffeine or drink, but you're literally injecting ketamine into your veins and sitting in. I was just like, damn dude, psychosis have come a far away. Religious loopholes are the best though. You know what I mean? Fucking just going into a K-hole together, like in your living room with your children upstairs. What? Like what? Like can't you leave ketamine into like gay clubs everywhere where people can enjoy it the way it's meant to be enjoyed? Like what are we doing? Like at a concert? They're mixing it in with their dirty soda. Yeah. They're like a little

bit of K, a little bit of coconut milk, a little bit of dirty Dr. Pepper going. A scoop of rocky road ice cream. And filthy sodas. Yeah. Got a cadmium in it. Oh shit. So wild. Well, Lydia, such a pleasure having you as always on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, see you, all that good stuff? For sure.

You can follow me at LydiaPapovich.com. That is my website and links out to all of my various areas. I'm hater Tuesday on all of the social medias. I will be in San Francisco at the punchline October, I'm sorry, August 12th through the 15th. Uh, I will be in Birmingham, Alabama at the star dome on August 21st. I will be at, uh, Huntsville, Alabama on October 2nd. There you go.

Yeah, I'm around. I'm bopping and bipping all over the place. So come and see me. I'm featuring for people. I'm telling jokes. I'm bopping into towns. I'll be in Chicago in October for a Latina film, Latina comedy festival. You know, I'll be all over the place, man.

You can come and see me. I'd love to see you in real life and have you laugh at my jokes. Hell yeah. Go do it. Is that gang? Uh, is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? You know what? Uh, I have been trying to stay pretty minimally on the internet cause it rots

our brains and it makes me feel terrible, uh, when I'm on there too long. So I don't really have a piece of media that I want to like really, really support. I think the only thing I would say is the only ones that I have been looking at, there's an Instagram account called Islands in the Meme. And it is a bunch of Dolly Parton themed memes that I always enjoy. And they are lovingly curated by a wonderful young man who is a college student and putting himself through school. So, Hey, follow that kid. Follow some Dolly Parton memes.

Give him a follow. Help this, help this guy get through college. He's a lovely young man and he's very, very funny and he works very hard. So I'll give, I'll give that a shout out. There you go. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Uh, yeah, find me everywhere at miles of grave.

Check me out talking 90 day fiance still on four 20 day fiance. A couple posts I like on blue sky area woman at exploding piano, uh, posted. I thought balls deep meant standing in something that comes up to your balls until I was like 30, like a cranberry farmer. It's like standing in a elaborate, like I'm hearing this bog of cranberry my waiters on and I'm going to get balls deep in that. Wait, is that not what it means? That's what I think it means. Is that not what it means?

It does. It does. Okay. That's what I thought. There was another like other balls and I was like, is there another ball reference? I'm not getting, another, like other balls, and I was like, is there another ball reference? I'm not getting. No, no, that's a good one.

Someone said it's, yeah, it's that one. I don't. I like that better. Yeah. After that swinging the miss on the ergot theory, I'll say, yeah, we'll just, that's what happened there. That's about cranberry bog. And then at L91.biscay.social posted,

in high school, I was complaining about how long the school day was. And my teacher turned to me and said, the days are long, but the years are short. And then I was like, what the fuck are you talking about, you lunatic? And then the bell rang and now I'm in my 30s. Real life, real life. That's real. Comes at you quick.

God damn. I just watched the movie Hereditary. Have you guys heard about this? You've seen this movie? Sure have, seen that. Uh-oh. Love that film. The scary movie Hereditary.

That fucked me up. Watched that last night. Jesus Christ. That's a good one. Yikes. That will, that will fuck you up. Yeah, that was good though. I, like I finally got the 15th recommendation to watch that.

It was actually, my kids were like, so we saw their ads for weapons. All over. Yeah. Yeah. With the kid children in silhouette running into the night with their arms back in that like creepy, like witches Cape posture and the poster is like at 2 17 a.m. 22 children from like this one Mrs. Miller's classroom got out of their beds and ran out their front doors into the night and were never seen again. And like my kids have questions. Oh shit.

Where'd they go? Why were they never seen again? What happened? Could that happen? Is this a true story? Why is it called weapons? I'm like, oh, fuck, I don't know. So now they were like, on the drive, they were like, let's find out what the scariest movie is of all time. Is it weapons? So we asked Siri, because I was driving and Siri said it was The Exorcist, Psycho and Hereditary. And I was like, fuck, I haven't seen hereditary guys so we all watched hereditary together last night you did? no no no I didn't judge myself yeah cuz you were just talking about like common-sense media I have to check out something like fuck it bro

yeah you see Tony Collette in a powerhouse performance let's go you want to see a face a facial expression of a contorted facial expression you'll never leave your mind. Some of those faces. Holy shit. What the fuck, man? Anyways, that's on my mind at all times now is the shit that I saw in that movie. I have to move on to Midsommar. But the director was just on the film podcast, Blank Check, and I was like, all right, all right, I'll bite. What's hereditary? Anyway, you can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien

and on blue sky at Jack OB the number one. You can find us on Twitter and blue sky at daily zeitgeist. We're at the daily zeitgeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it. And underneath the show description You will find the footnotes, which is where we link off to the information we talked about in today's episode We also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy

Miles is there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah, you know, it's it's it's summer It's still I was playing some sweaty dance music now. It's time for some just nice reggae music from Rudolph Francis This track is called a soul the system work and it's just a fantastic track again Go out on your porch with your honky ice bong Take a rip, you know what I mean? And honk it, you know holler at me. But anyway, yeah Womp it, you know, holler at me. But anyway, yeah, this is called... Hey, you mind if I whomp it real quick? Dude, what?

What y'all doing out there? You whomping it? I believe you get your ass kicked for doing something like that. So yeah, check this one out. Rudolph Francis, a so the system work. It's a fucking banger. Check it out. All right. We will link off to that in the footnotes. The Daily Zike Guys is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts from iHeartRadio.

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