The Daily Zeitgeist - Global Warming Is Coming Everywhere, Moana Creates A Tiny Woke Army 10.26.17

Episode Date: October 26, 2017

In episode 14, Jack & Miles are joined by comedian Jono Zalay to discuss Jeff Flake's comments, the GOP shutting down consumer protections, the FCC trying to get rid of net neutrality, global warming and a climate change poet, Ryan Zinke, & Moana. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 3, Episode 4 of The Daily Zeitgeist for October 26, 2017. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Potatoes O'Brien, a.k.a. Young Jackfruit, a.k.a. Obi-Wan Play No D, and I'm joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. Salute to all the Blackanese people out there. And we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by Mr. Jono Zalay, a.k.a. The White Jay-Z, is what I'm calling you. I'm afraid probably several other people have claimed that and are more famous than me. No. But they don't have your initials.

That's true. That is true. Is your legal name Jono? For real? No, it's a Hungarian nickname. Oh, that's crazy, because I have a homie that we call Jono, but just because we thought it was an interesting name. Alright, anyway. Same, sort of. It just happens to have an

ethnic flair to mine. It's more sophisticated and European. All right. Anyway. I mean, like, mine, the same sort of. It just happens to have an ethnic flair to mine. Yeah. Yours is just more sophisticated and European. So what's something that's underrated? Radio. Like the radio, terrestrial radio. I feel like for a long time it was overrated. And then everyone switched to podcasts and Spotify and all the satellite radio and everything like that.

Podcasts and Spotify and all the satellite radio and everything like that. And then now, I just moved to Los Angeles from New York. In New York, I only would listen to podcasts and my own music selection on my iPhone. You didn't just walk around with a radio on your shoulder? I was not ready. I wish I could have been radio-y, but my shoulders are not strong enough. Yeah. And then I just moved to LA, got a car, and was driving around have a i don't have bluetooth in my car so i was listening to radio and like boy they have some

real good tunes on there oh what do you what stations you oh i love uh my i don't even know if i listen to any other ones besides uh k-day oh 93 live yeah the old school hip-hop so yeah and like i have the cds version of those songs but i don't have as many of them on my iphone so it is an underrated concept for a radio station because i don't i've lived in many places and i've never had a local radio station that had just straight up old school hip-hop yeah the guys that own that station are like hip-hop heads really they're like they don't give a fuck they're like we're gonna but they also just bought power 106 oh did they really which is another my secondary station when there's a commercial on 93.5 i go to power 106 yeah shout out to power used to work for power overrated um woody allen no really oh man come

on lay off woody yeah i mean we're all big woody allen fans not just the the person who is a potentially monster as is most people have agreed by now. But he's not produced a great film, and it's feasibly forever. At this point, his batting average is just out of the Hall of Fame. Yeah. He'd be batting eighth in the lineup at this point. Like 200, about. He is like that old veteran they just

trot out there because he's a name and he might fill seats or whatever but he's just like okay well just get out there and do try yeah go for a walk yeah he's still living off that early work you know yeah annie hall somehow was a good film uh all right give us give us another underrated underrated woody allen the stand-up comic. Well, now you've got me listening. Yeah. So I actually appreciate him more. Once I've separated the man from the art, and I do not like his film as much as his stand-up.

His stand-up was very good and revolutionary at the time. Back in the 60s, he basically like basically created every like a style of comedy that so many people emulate to this day. And like, it was, it still kind of holds up and like this timing and, and like his joke writing is, was impeccable. And a lot of people don't even realize he was a standup comic because he's been a creepy filmmaker for so long. Right. And he doesn't really do standup anymore. Something about the standups who turn into creepy filmmakers. Yeah. Um, over stand-ups who turn into creepy filmmakers. Yeah.

Overrated. Movies in the park. All right. Now, this is controversial out here in L.A. I know. I noticed. God. This is like the broke-ass L.A. version of Shakespeare in the park. They're just like, yeah, go sit in a fucking cemetery and we'll project a movie somewhere.

Yeah. I thought it was a really cool idea at first. I was like, yeah, go sit in a fucking cemetery and we'll project a movie somewhere. Right. Yeah. I thought it was a really cool idea at first. I was like, oh, cool. That's a nice little disruption of a normal thing that people do inside. And because you guys have nice weather out here, or we have nice weather, I should say. I moved up here now, too. It makes sense. Like, oh, yeah, you spend the night outside.

It's a lovely evening. But the thing about it is, like, I don't think you can really appreciate cinema if your back hurts right right like cross-legged and like a rocky patch yeah like you put a blanket down it's just like okay i guess i just have to sit indian style right for two and a half hours or like crawl exactly like how many like filmmakers like i my movie is perfect and it's fine in a theater but i'd really love if people could also get mosquito bites right and here's someone's kid running around yeah yeah like there's no one actively telling kids to shut the fuck up in a park whereas like that's the movie theater's first thing they do first law of movement right yeah or

birds yeah i think we're overthinking it with the park thing like movies they created a perfect environment to watch film that everyone can enjoy and then we're just overthinking it with the park thing. Movies, they created a perfect environment to watch film that everyone can enjoy, and then we're just overthinking it with this park. Underrated. We're going back and forth on these. I feel like a coach who's training you. Underrated. School integration. Now, see, I think school integration is bullshit, and I always have.

Why is school integration is bullshit. And I always know why. I will quote you some Thurgood Marshall. Right. I remember, like, I think many of the nation's woes right now along racial lines are because of just a complete lack of empathy with a whole new generation of people that didn't grow up going to school with other cultures right there was a you know real movement to like start busing and magnet schools and like mixing different people from different parts of the city so that they could go to school together play sports together which was huge and like and i think now because you know they they've kind of went away from that many school districts anyway, there's just like a complete lack of understanding of other – like you fail to see other people's races and colors as people the same way you would have if you knew them and grew up with them. Yeah. It's like the way that – there was a study a little while ago that like babies are racist or whatever.

You're basically born racist because you have these built- prejudices. Cause that's who's around you, your family, whatever. I knew babies were fucking. Yeah. And then, so if you've been saying that, I've been saying that it was just me being racist towards me.

Fuck baby. Sure. That is our stance as a podcast. I think that babies should be persecuted. They, they are, they are ruining my movies in the park. Right.

Among other things. But yeah, like, and then if they don't, aren't taught tolerance or to like respect other people, you have to integrate those people in your lives. Otherwise you won't understand them and view them as people. Right.

Yeah. Well, I think because schools are slowly segregating again. Yeah. Despite everyone's best efforts. And yeah, I think that is contributing to, it's very easy to other people when you don't know them. It's not despite everyone's best efforts. I think a lot of politicians and shitty parents are fine with it. And then you also have, you know, the same thing happening in terms of where people live with redlining. And FDR's government was like, OK, black people are allowed to live here and we won't give them house like loans outside here.

And that kind of locked in a lot of racism because people didn't live together. It's the same thing you're describing just in terms of where people live. Well, I could talk to you all day about why school integration is underrated. But we are going to move on to our stories of the day. I think people know you now, Jono Zalay. Thanks. He's a baby-hating integrator. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, so this is the part of the show where we go through stories. Overall, our goal, we're trying to take a sample of the ideas that are out there, change the world, whether we're looking or not. We talk about politics, the president, the vice president, news. But we also talk about things like movies and supermarket tabloids. Supermarket tabloids, as we've said, might seem stupid, but there are millions of people who pass those every day and absorb the stories on the cover, whether they want to or not. So that's the sort of stuff we talk about, stuff that might seem like garbage but is actually important and stuff that seems important and is actually important.

So, Miles, we're going to start off with Jeff Flake is not about that life. No, he is not about that life. Yes, after he had his lunch, all the Senate GOP members had their lunch with Trump. That was, I guess, a love fest, as Trump likes to put it. Yeah, Jeff Flake took the Senate floor and basically flamed Trump and just the direction of the country and our discourse as a nation. Without ever saying his name or did he say his name? Was it one of those?

You know, I mean, he makes a lot of allusions like Twitter and things like that. I mean, we know who he's talking about. He was sub-tweeting the Twitter. Right. He was sub-tweeting Trump in a speech in the same room as Trump. I think we have a clip that kind of sums up the tone of that. But we must never adjust to the present coarseness of our national dialogue with the tone set at the top. We must never regard as normal the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals. We must never meekly accept the daily sundering of our country

the personal attacks the threats against principles freedoms and institution the flagrant disregard for truth and decency yeah so he yeah the strong brave speech that's brave you know he came for trump in front of trump uh this was while he was announcing that he would no longer be running for yes uh senate and that got i mean look he got a lot of because they're like wow way to stand up jeff right so and then this morning he was on cbs uh and they're like wow like what you're you're saying is pretty like you're trying to start a movement and you're a brave man yeah like wow like you were brave you're saying is pretty like you're trying to start a movement. You're a brave man, Jeff. Yeah, like, wow, you are brave. You're going to stick up. Now, what do you think?

I guess play that clip of him on CBS. If he is dangerous to democracy, as you say, should he be removed from office? I don't think any of those remedies are justified. I really don't. High crimes and misdemeanors. People talk about impeachment on the left. I think something's been introduced. I don't think that's the direction to go, nor do I think the 25th Amendment having the Cabinet Act is either. Okay, so then he goes on to be like, I mean,

but with the Twitter stuff. So basically, he's just saying Trump should tone down his Twitter. Yeah, and more people in the GOP need to stand up to him. Right. Yeah. Which is easy to say, again, when you're retiring from office and the existential threat of losing an election is off the table that's when you want to be gangster right i don't think so i mean it is when everyone is the most gangster right the most truthful politicians are the ones that don't have to seek re-election exactly and i think that's what's the most indicting thing about all this even like with bob corker clapping back and even jeff flake starting to, you know.

John McCain, too. Yeah. These are all people who don't really they're not scared of death because they're pulling themselves out of the race anyway. And I think that just shows that the bottom line for every single person in office is not to represent the interests of their constituents. It is to get reelected. Yeah. And like as someone who's worked in politics as an operative lobbyist whatever you want to call it the the whole point of getting re-elected and

staying re-elected is to raise money so if you start talking sideways what's going to happen if you start you know putting forth things that are anti-bank then you're going to lose money to your campaign coffers from banks or from the insurance industry or from pharmaceutical companies because i mean there's a study that came out a few years ago, I think maybe three years ago that basically said 91% of the time, the better financed candidate wins. So it's all about money. It's all about being beholden to your, your corporate benefactors, whoever they may be. It's not about speaking truth to power. So it's just really cringy to me that suddenly you want to be connected with reality when you are no longer sort of beholden to the same people.

And he's still not willing to take action. The rhetoric is fine, but he's saying, oh, we can never accept these things. But then he accepts them. Impeachment's not going to work, but saying something about him will. No one else is joining you until whatever. Hey, guys, speaking of Jeff Flake being a shit ass. So last night there was a vote that took place uh we're going to move on to a section we're calling shit your government's doing while you're not looking and last night uh the gop voted to uh

fuck consumers yeah right in their mouths unconsensually yes well basically the consumer financial protection bureau they had there was a law basically that kept uh you know like when you a lot of cable companies credit card companies uh payday loan places they have loopholes that like when you enter into any kind of agreement with them they used to be able to there was like a loophole that you gave up your right to settle your dispute with these companies in a court of law right to take them to court right exactly you couldn't have your day with court you had to use private arbitration which is where companies are more likely to beat you in any kind of if there are any grievances than an actual court of law it

doesn't have to be public because it is private arbitration right and they have the better lawyers so they can pull some shady stuff. So, yeah, the Senate was split last night 50-50. Granted, Lindsey Graham and I think Bill Cassidy were the only Republicans to actually vote against this. But all the Democrats did. So Mike Pence had to stroll in literally in a tuxedo and cast a tie-breaking vote, which seems appropriate because this is basically just a big fuck you to consumers and them being like, hey, banks, you found a new way to like have your, you know, make up fake accounts or charge people with these like weird fees that no one can quite explain. So really a political cartoon of corruption. Like if you if a political cartoonist like Drew Pence walking in in a tuxedo being like, I think that big banks should be able to fuck consumers. Like you would think that was over the top.

He should have like cast his vote with a diamond studded cane. Exactly. But yeah, what's crazy is like, and a lot of the people in the G.P. They're trying to call us like it's like a win for fairness and efficiency. I don't really because people could have no like real legal means to defend themselves from these giant corporations. Right. Like those poor banks. Yeah, I got persecuted long these giant corporations. Right. Those poor banks. Yeah, guys.

They've been persecuted long enough. Yeah. Right. Free Wells Fargo. So it's literally in no one's interest. Absolutely no one's interest. And a lot of veterans actually, they fall victim to these predatory companies. And that's one of the reasons why Lindsey Graham is one of the few Republicans to actually actually vote for because he has many veterans in his state and he understands what the stakes are.

So, I mean, credit to him. I mean, obviously, Lindsey Graham has like a weird – sometimes he's alive. Sometimes he's just like a zombie. He also probably knew that they had the votes. And so he had the option to vote against it. And even like Lisa Murkowski, she was the 50th vote. So, like, you know, again, these people, they they're not beholden to their constituents. These people, Miles.

Yes. I mean, really. Politicians. Politicians. We're going to be the whole lot of speak that way. We need to integrate these politicians with schools. You can integrate them with like working people. Life is like.

So, yeah, we used to be able to take big banks to court. And after last night's vote, we no longer have the ability to take them to court. We are now, if they fuck you over, you have to go to private arbitration with them. That's the outcome. That's the bottom line. And they did it in under cover of night in a tuxedo. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Right after right after that, Jeff Flake blew up there with everyone's about Jeff Flake. They're like, hey, let's do that vote now. You're voting for this, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff Flake voted for it. So he's a hero. And also, again, I just want to come back.

This dude is not a hero. He's like a basically a Trump rubber stamp. He like voted with him like 91 percent of the time despite his like you know again it just shows a lot of these people they're not actually principled they're just interested in staying or if they are principled they're principled for the wrong things right like they might actually believe banks are great and are have been harmed when when they come up to when a lobbyist comes up to you and it hands you out like a maxed out donation it's like hey i think we think you'll do the right thing. So it's either it's like one of those things.

Is it corrupt or wrong? There's those are the binary choice between those things. Or sometimes both. Sometimes both. Or wrong. There does seem to be a portion of the sort of resistance to Trump, the people who object to Trump, who just object to like the appearances of it, like that he is like uncouth. And like I'm sort of not on board with that. People are just like coughing into their handkerchiefs when he like says, how, how could he?

But we have to move on to because the government's been busy, you guys. So the FCC, it's looking like they may announce their plans to gut net neutrality over Thanksgiving. Yeah, when no one's looking. Yeah, while everyone's eyes are closed around the dinner table thinking of things that they've been in their food coma. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, a lot of consumer groups like who have a vested interest in keeping the Internet fair and open place. vested interest in, you know, keeping the internet as fair and open place.

They're saying that they, they suspect that, uh, agit pie, Mr. Gigantic coffee mug, uh, and former Verizon lawyer who is now the boss of the FCC, the head of the FCC has bit to you guys. He's going to be rolling back like some consumer protections that essentially keep consumers protected from these, you know, monolithic telecoms companies, uh, from, you know, keeping the internet fair and open and accessible. So what will happen is what they suspect will happen is first, the FCC boss will roll back these protections because they can do so because a lot of these FCC regulations are created by partisans at the FCC. So when a new administration comes in, you can just knock all the rules away.

And he'll play like he'll be the bad guy for that section. What this really does, it opens the door for Congress to actually write a law, not just an FCC regulation, but a law that is ratified by Congress and the president probably that will basically make it, I don't even know, a playground for these telecoms companies to really yeah to really just give it to consumers like so in terms of like throttling your your internet speeds or controlling you know censoring certain websites not that that is going to happen immediately right but that is what the whole fight over net neutrality is over is like if we don't keep it free and open then we essentially can you know the telecoms companies can decide what we can access on the internet.

It's financial control of information. Yeah. So much of the world is already controlled by huge corporate monopolies like Google and Apple and Facebook and stuff. places would make it just basically yeah at&t would pay for the right to like give you cnn.com and like there would be you would have to pay extra for like the reddit bundle if the uh right if it got to that point i mean like netflix it's yeah like netflix is gonna like they're already raising the rates anyway so like your parents are gonna be paying so much more once they charge Netflix extra to stream. Yeah, and I think a lot of things don't realize, too, is, like, a lot of these laws will probably be covertly written by telecoms lobbyists anyway. And they'll just be like, all right, now vote on this thing.

And they're going to try to look like a good guy because they're going to be like, well, now that those regulations are gone, now we can really put into law a way to protect people and use flowery language. But it'll probably be so laden with loopholes that it'll essentially just be useless. There's no more reviled industry than the cable companies. Yeah, right. Because everybody loves Spectrum. They already have you over a barrel and love just plugging with you. Because at that point, when you're dealing with a monopoly of your service and all of your internet's slow and you call them, they're going to be like, what are you going to do?

Be switch providers? Right. And they're like, to what? Because internet has become like the new water. It's like an essential resource to live in modern society. So they know you're going to pay for it no matter what, so they can do whatever they want. Exactly. Extort you.

And Ajit Pai, the head of the FCC, who at his, when he was announced as the head, came out with a giant coffee mug. That's what we were referring to before. And if you Google search Ajit Pai giant coffee mug, you'll see like him making this joke like eight other times. He like thinks it's the funniest thing. He's like the coolest prop comedian. If you've seen I Heart Huckabee's Jude Law's character when he's like always talking about Shania Twain, like telling the Shania story, he has like one pre like recorded joke, canned joke that he always uses. Anyways, he also is eliminating the main studio rule, which requires TV station owners to keep a local staff where the antenna is. So basically this will allow huge companies to come in and like take over your local news. And they already have some of that going on with Sinclair.

We've talked about Sinclair before. This is the far right wing company that is now like sending news packages to local news stations and being like, you have to put this up as news. Like, terror desk alerts that are, like, meaningless and often have nothing to do with anything. Instead of a cute little squirrel, like, in your neighborhood, it's now scary Muslims. Yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah.

And the problem with this is, like, when you decentralize the news like this, or you begin centralizing the news like this, you will not see local coverage. Like, this company, Sinclair, is already, like, cutting local newsrooms and, like, having people in Ohio broadcast news for people in, like, North Carolina. Right. That is not North Carolina news. Yeah, exactly. What is happening in Chapel Hill? Come on.

It's all about Skyline Chili. Guys, yeah, please, you know, check our links and the footnotes. Footnotes? And just, yeah, read up on this stuff because... Scary. We will need to actually probably need to make some phone calls. All right, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back after these messages.

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Like he talked about the fact that a lot of the problems are compounding on each other. We have, for instance, we talked in a episode, I think last week, about how these forest fires are getting worse and how increased forest fires actually contribute to global warming. So global warming contributes to more forest fires. More forest fires contributes to worse global warming. So global warming contributes to more forest fires. More forest fires contributes to worse global warming. Worse global warming contributes to worse forest fires. That's a way that they're compounding.

But then so the soot from forest fires, because of the way like the wind and atmosphere works, a lot of that soot is being deposited on snow that used to be just like pure white. It's now like black with soot from forest fires. And because dark things retain more heat, that ice is melting faster. And yeah, so it's just like there are all these things. You know, they had all these estimates of when we were fucked. And we're even more fucked. Yeah, they it's just like there are all these things. They had all these estimates of when we were fucked. Were even more fucked? Yeah, they're like having to speed it up.

Oh, no. Yeah, exactly. Slippage of big ice sheets is happening faster than some scientists expected, partially because there's more friction than they expected, which means more heat is being created by these giant ice flows. So I don't know. It makes sense, I guess, because the world has been an equilibrium, and adding more heat is going to create more entropy and more kind of unpredictability.

more entropy and more kind of unpredictability. I'm trying to like get my mind around why everything seems to be like going badly. Like when a factor is added that we weren't expecting, it always seems to be like making global warming worse. It's never like, Oh shit. It turns out global warming wasn't a problem because of this factor we didn't consider.

It's always just like, Ooh, that's not going to be good. It's more vicious cycles. Yeah. A couple other things he talked about in the interview. The military knows about global warming. They just can't say that they know about global warming, like many conservative politicians. And that was just an assumption that he sort of made across the interview. It was like, yeah, nobody doesn't believe in global warming. It's just a politically convenient stance to take.

So all of the – Because it's all about re-election. Right, right, exactly. You can't bite the hand that feeds. Yeah, right. Stay in power. One, again, also, too, climate change now is a uniquely American conservative thing. Right.

Like that's a like everyone else is like, what are you talking about? Everyone else is willing to kill themselves to win elections. Right. And the earth. Yeah. Their own families. The hostage is the world. And they're like, no, no, no.

We're getting our seats in the house. It really makes it that much more despicable. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they know. Yeah, of course. That's the thing. Even all the people that are supporting Trump or whatever, it's not like they don't know all the evil shit he's doing.

They all agree with Jeff Flake, but I know none of them will say it. They all know more than we do the collusion, whatever, because they got all those intelligence briefings and stuff. Yeah, it's inexcusable. They're complicit is what they are. So the military, he interviewed some high up military person who was like, no, we're in the business of dealing with the world as it exists, not as we wish it existed. That's spin. That guy should run for political position.

Well, but so he was saying, that's why we have to acknowledge it. I should run for political position. equate with like chaos and war uh but not too long ago it was a country that existed you know in in equilibrium and uh then there was a drought that happened and you know scientists and political scientists have done a study of the start of the syrian uprising and they say the drought was a catalytic factor in causing causing that whole thing to explode. Heat, like there's a correlation between temperatures and race riots in America. Right. Historically, like these giant heat waves in the summer during times of racial tension involve and result in race riots. Right.

Just add heat and everything goes to shit. Turning up the heat. Yeah. But I mean, you know, there was a period of time that was the Ice Age. We didn't, you know, come to exist during that time. There was a period of time where it was much warmer and the air was carbon rich and the dinosaurs were around. We didn't come to exist in that time.

We came to exist at this very particular equilibrium. And so it's obviously going to cause problems when we kind of like push the ball off the edge of, you know, that equilibrium. Another interesting thing that he didn't talk about, but that we had kind of come across back during our, our dry run episodes over the summer,

we came across this guy who is a climate change poet that's the best kind of job yeah the job designed to make fathers just be so pissed off that their daughters are marrying yeah they're at dinner they're like hey rob so how's your uh book of ice age prose right exactly so got a job yet but this dude has really interesting insight that um Hey, Rob. So how's your book of Ice Age prose? Right. Exactly. Still got a job yet? But this dude has really interesting insight that. So Miami is probably the city that climate change people think is most fucked because it's it's just a barrier island, Miami Beach. It's and it's only about five feet above sea level. about five feet above sea level.

And also you have a population of, you know, usually elderly people who only have like a five to 10 year horizon that they're paying attention to because they know they're not going to be around that much longer. And so they're just like not that worried about like when people are like 25 years from now, well, this is all going to be underwater. They're like, cool, that sucks for you, man. We're partying. You're like 25 years from now, I'll all going to be underwater they're like cool that sucks for you man we're partying you're like 25 years from now i'll have been dead for 15 years but uh so all those things are you know contributing factors um but he pointed out that poor people and people who

kind of exist in poverty in particular tend to get fucked over by changes like this. Any big sort of change and shift in where people live or what the playing field is, the poor tend to not have people looking out for them. And he pointed to Liberty City, which are the projects from the movie Moonlight. They have been razed, like kind of mostly demolished since that movie was shot there and are being replaced by higher end housing.

You know, they're giving some of the people who lived there, you know, credits saying that they'll let them live there. But that happened in Cabrini Green in Chicago. They were like, yeah, this is we're just making a nicer place for the people who live in the Cabrini Green housing projects to live. And then a lot of those people never ended up living there. And, you know, nobody really knows where they live now. And obviously, Chicago, like, is not doing great since that happened. So you're saying the people in the Moonlight housing projects are not going to get a happy ending? Right.

Hey, nice Moonlight reference that more of you should have gotten, but you've probably not seen Moonlight. Yeah, just pause this episode right now. And once you've seen it, press play, and now you rejoin us. Right. And we're back. Press play and now you rejoin us. Right.

And we're back. So they're knocking down these projects and putting up higher rent, like higher value real estate. And this climate change poet pointed out that Liberty City is one of the very few places in Miami that is like 10 to 15 feet above sea level. And he's like, so, and, and that's totally in line with, uh, you know, how you see things happen. Uh, new Orleans, once it was devastated by Katrina, uh, all these sort of, uh, capitalists and, you know, different carpetbaggers, carpetbaggers came in and, you know, tried to, I think they privatized public schools. They like privatized fucking everything. And it was really bad for the city.

But a bunch of people got super rich. And apparently that's happening in Puerto Rico, which another storm that scientists, people who believe in science point out is definitely made worse by climate change. So Puerto Rico was devastated and a company was just awarded the rebuilding of Puerto Rico's entire infrastructure. The company that got that both has ties to the Trump company and had two employees, I think. Yeah, they had two employees prior to this. Prior to this. They got a $300 million contract from Puerto Rico's electricity authority to rebuild the grid on the island.

And yeah, this small firm, it's in Montana, where Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is from. A lot of the people from there are, like, maxed-out Trump donors. So they've definitely – they've curried favor within the administration. But, again, the interesting thing is usually FEMA or the Army Corps of Engineers are the ones that grant these contracts. But, like, earlier when this story first broke, when they asked them, FEMA was like – they just literally wouldn't respond to a comment. The Army Corps of Engineers said, we don't comment on deals like we're not involved in.

And then when they asked in Puerto Rico, the authority in Puerto Rico who said, oh, yeah, we want to use this company. They said, oh, ask the Army Corps of Engineers. So nobody's taking credit for awarding this company. It's murky at best. How did they outbid Elon Musk? Yeah, exactly. Well, he just went in and was like, hey, I'll do this. We're like, we're just going to build these things.

Right. Test them out. Because, yeah, those solar things are went in and was like, hey, I'll do this. Or be like, we're just going to build these things. Right. Test them out. Because, yeah, those solar things are online in a few different hospitals already. Right. But this company got the crazy $350 million contract. Oh, I'm sorry. They're actually from the hometown of Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke.

It's not just like in the state. From their home fucking town. It's probably like a business started in his garage right uh ryan zinke by the way who you might recognize from scandals such as riding a horse to his first day of work and then like using exclusively private jets to like just get to work like that, like, a couple miles down the road. I don't think those are scandals, really. Yeah. Come on, man. One of his actual scandals is, like, his use of scam packs, which are basically, like, you know, packs that, like, they say they're for one goal but actually use the money for, like, completely other things and maybe spend, like, half a percent on the actual things that they're raising money for. So, like, he used to have a, I think he still has it.

It's a, it's a pack called seal because he is a Navy seal called supporting electing American leaders pack. And basically their goal was to get more veterans into office. But a lot of the money that was raised basically just like went to consultant fees and overhead. And like they basically just use a little bit of the money to actually stable to keep horses so he can ride to work right yeah exactly exactly and uh mostly spent

on oats this is oats budget and not that you're envisioning uh zinky being from this huge city uh the big city in montana whitefish montana right it'sfish, which is a town of like 80 people or something. Holy crap. Whitefish, Montana? Yeah. My uncle and cousins live there. Holy shit. Or grew up there at least.

I think only my uncle and aunt are there, but that's where I visited there when I was like 10. That's crazy. Yeah, I've been. So you know these guys. Probably. Small town. I wonder how rich my uncle is. Did my uncle get a contract to re-electrify Puerto Rico?

Right. But not only are these people from this same small town, but apparently they are neighbors. The people who got the Puerto Rico contract are like... Hey, that's just a coincidence, right? Come on, man. There's no corruption. Come on now. No quid pro quo. Probably won it in a drinking contest it was yeah it was like a just a raffle they put a

beer can on a log 200 yards away and see who could shoot it off first right oh another thing is to note is that with uh after katrina uh it was like mike pence actually was behind like he was the chairman he was behind katrina yeah he was behind katrina shit well i knew it i know he was like the chairman of the powerful uh republican study committee which is a caucus of conservative lawmakers and basically just like right after katrina they got together with like the Heritage Foundation and think tank. And basically they came up with all these lists of like pro free market ideas to respond to Hurricane Katrina. So he even had he was like behind the group that was like, hey, President Bush, like, why don't we like make this like a free market zone and like get rid of labor laws? Now that we've wiped out a city, let's rebuild it with libertarian ideals.

Right. And he he did that. He walked into the wreckage of Katrina in a tuxedo and was like, all of this, it will be mine. Those weren't sandbags. Those were bags of gold coins. All right. So all of that is very depressing. We are going to talk about pop culture when we get back to kind of lighten everyone's load for the day.

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Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And we're going to do a new segment. Have we tried this segment before? The underrated zeitgeist influencer? I mean, kind of. We touched on it. Okay. Well, today we are going to be talking about Moana. The Underrated Zeitgeist Influencer engineer, Nicholas Stumpf. Welcome, Nick. Thank you. So, Moana, it's poisoning our children's brains?

No, I liked it. I mean, actually, I actually liked the movie. A friend of mine recommended it, who's also in sort of deep kid shit, like I am. You mean being a parent? Being a parent, yes. And he said it was actually pretty good, and I agree. It's actually a really good movie. I like the music a lot.

I don't know the movie. I haven't seen it, but I know the song. You do. Because I hear that all the time. Right. The Edge of the Water song? Was that you who was just singing just now? Yes.

Would you mind singing it again? Oh, I don't want to get a cease and desist from Disney. And I knew it was successful. I didn't think it tanked at the box office or whatever. It's currently sitting at the ninth biggest movie of the last 365 days on Box Office Mojo. I think that's pretty good. Right. Well, it came out like two years ago, right?

Yeah, it's been a while. It was November. So it's only been... Is that right? It's still within the last year. Huh. I've heard it. It's between fantastic beasts and uh

below despicable me 3 which is about what i thought i i'd like despicable me 3 was like was okay uh did fine but it wasn't like this you know zeitgeist defining event but apparently moana was successful but not like didn't destroy at the box office like Frozen did but since then it's now like on Netflix streaming it's like all over the place like on iTunes and it's just become

incredibly successful with the young people of this nation and I don't know like I i feel like like jaws is an example of what i would consider an underrated zeitgeist influencer it was obviously huge when it came out in like the 70s but i know so many people who were born in the 80s who like that's their favorite movie for some reason i love it i don't it's among the perfect movies yeah i had

seen that movie uh literally a hundred times by the time i was eight years old um and now we have a shark week uh an entire week of substandard programming that is treated like christmas by people like me because uh because jaws content vaguely incorporates a shark, and I was obsessed with Jaws as a kid. And so we're going to try and identify things like that in the present tense on this show. And Moana, I don't know, seems to be one of them. I don't know. Nick, do you think, are there ideas or values that you think are in the movie that uh are we'll see cropping up in the future yeah well for one thing it's a great movie for girl i have my my kids are both girls have two

daughters and it's uh without seeming like it's sort of trying too hard it it's a really good you know it's a it's a hero role for a girl um as you pointed out jack there there's no love interest right um so it probably passes the bechdel test yeah i pointed that out as in like god why isn't there a love right it was a complaint no i understood yeah wait so she doesn't end up with the rock she and the rock should get together bro um there's no will they won't do with the rock right thankfully although some people have but yeah like so frozen was a huge step forward uh and that was actually by accident uh the movie originally was like one of the sisters uh was supposed to be the protagonist and the other uh who like goes off and goes crazy with like all her ice magic uh was supposed to be the protagonist, and the other, who goes off and goes crazy with all her ice magic,

was supposed to be the villain, and then her song, Let It Go, once the Disney executives heard that, they were like, well, shit, this is too good. She needs to be the protagonist, too. And so they accidentally ended up making a movie with two female protagonists. God's greatest mistake. Yeah, for real.

Inadvertent wokeness. Right. Inadvertent wokeness. But, you know, so that was somewhat progressive at the same time. It was still, you know, one of the reviews of Moana was like, it's a deviation from your standard European lovestruck princesses, which even the women from Frozen were. And they also were all super skinny, blonde, and standard Disney princess. They all kind of looked alike. And Moana doesn't look like any Disney princess before and is is not like hyper cartoonishly skinny no she's not and people have pointed out that they've sort of treated there's a her grandmother as a character

and people have pointed out that they they treated her sort of realistically that you know she she just there's like a realistic old lady character which i guess like body type and body type that you don't see very often and i actually think they did a pretty good job of like the Polynesian element. You know, it's, it's like, uh, they actually use the actual language in some songs and they, I think some of the mythology that they reference is real and they sort of, it seems like it was sort of well-researched and, you know, does a reasonably good job of honoring the, the culture that it's culture that the story is based on. Right.

Yeah, it's really one of the first Disney movies that's authentically based on another culture that's not somehow Western European. Hold on, hold on. What, you're saying Mulan is not based off of real shit? Maybe I haven't seen Mulan. Well, actually, Mulan... No, I'm joking. You look at it.

It is. I was like, oh, shit. Mulan is a Shakespeare play, right? It's a Twelfth Night. Is it? Yeah. I don't know anything about Mulan. Essentially, yeah.

Underrated zeitgeist influencer? Shakespeare. People don't give him enough credit. Sesh wants us. But yeah, at least Mulan was never an adaptation of a Shakespeare play. Right, right. It was just a unique story. And actually, I think it does a good job also introducing, like, environmental challenges of specifically island cultures.

Right. Yeah. Like, it's like, hey, all these islands that you're now in love with because of this movie are going to be gone if you keep melting the planet. Right. Right. They're saying, another thing I was reading, I have not seen the film, but when you were bringing up that it was an influence or, like, a departure from the norm, like, you know, they say it's a great coming of age film that also teaches kids to respect tradition. Right.

Or like what your, what any sort of cultural foundation, your, your, your family's built on that. There is value to that too, rather than like, uh,

shut up old person. Like this is the new school kind of thing. Right. Yeah. And you are always talking about how we need to respect culture and tradition with regards to those Confederate soldiers. Exactly. Yeah. What's next? I love the general Lee car. culture and tradition with regards to those Confederate soldiers. Exactly.

What's next? I love the General Lee car. That's really where my whole thing comes from. No, it's true. Moana does not end up in a Sex and the City loft at the end of the movie. Which I thought was a shame. I thought that it didn't show enough character progression. There's plenty of room for a sequel. That's true. That's probably why they

Moana 2. Living in the city. In the city. character there's plenty of room for a sequel that's true that's probably why they want it moana too living in the city in the city moana was the street i grew up on actually it was really right next it was adjacent to it and you didn't grow up on i was in san diego san diego okay close enough yeah it was basically it was like you know three-fourths of an island so in a way you have the same experience you've lived this story. Yeah. I mean, it's loosely based on me. Well, so what's the effect that it has had on your daughters? I mean, obviously, kids are obsessed with it, but what do you see as an adult? Insubordination.

That's the thing I would say. It probably encourages running away from home and disobeying your parental units. I mean, my kids are three and two, so I can't claim that they're having a big philosophical awakening for either one of them. It's more like my daughter had a nightmare about a big crab last night. I think that was an effect that the movie had on her. But no, they love it. And I think, most importantly, I liked it. So I can deal with it and watch it around the house.

And the music itself is actually really good. Yeah, it's by Lin-Manuel Miranda. I liked it. So I can, I can deal with it and watch it around the house. And yeah. And the music itself is actually really, it's good. Yeah. It's by Lin-Manuel Miranda. Uh, I was actually at a school today and, uh,

there were like no brands anywhere because it was like sort of authentic hippie-ish school. but the two brands that I saw anywhere were, uh, Hamilton and Moana. So I feel like Lin-Manuel Miranda is going to rule the future. Right, it seems that way. Well, I think that's good if kids now,

meanwhile our 80s mediated brains were like, we're like fucking sharks. Right, at least these kids are actually getting some kind of values transmitted to them with the films that they love so much. I feel that way. I feel good about my daughters watching this movie. So you think in about 20 years, we'll see the aftershocks of Moana. The Hawaiian islands are going to be so overpopulated.

No, I think it does represent a step in the right direction for kids' movies, especially for movies targeted towards girls that hopefully you don't go back and hopefully you don't then have racial caricatures and whatever else they used to do. I mean, a lot of them go. My favorite cartoons are about mutant ninja turtles. Like old, weird rats were being caricatured by Japanese people. Right. Yeah.

And I was getting mad at my own mom. Like, why aren't you like Oroku Saki? Right, and that's not that long ago. I mean, that stuff is pretty recent, so hopefully this represents a permanent kind of shift in a better direction. I have zero children,

and I liked Moana. Yeah, I mean, it's good. No, it's great. I watched Frozen when it came out because I worked for Cracked and felt like, okay, this is all anyone's talking about. We had, like, articles written about it.

Enough excuses. You told me not to see it. And, like, I was, like, just found myself trapped in a room that was playing it. And, no. But it is, I didn't think it was a very good movie. No, it's not good. And, like, I didn't think the music was that catchy when people were like, oh, this song is undeniable. I was like, what? I think it's was that catchy when people were like, Oh, this song is undeniable.

I was like, what? I think it's just the stuff of nightmares. I can't stand that song. Really? Let it go. Let it go. I think it's one of the worst things that ever happened.

And Nick is a musician. I mean, I think that's, do you guys have an opinion about that song? I can't. No. I mean, I just,

again, I'm so cynical. Like whenever I, those Disney movies come out, I'm like, just get away from me. Right. Right.

One, I was kind of interested in, cause I was like oh, look, it's not a white character anymore. Right, right. Being black and East, I was like, oh, these people look more like me. I think the best thing Frozen gave us was Adele Daseem. Yeah. Wasn't that when John Travolta said that? Called her, what did he call her?

Idina Menzel called her Adele Daseem. I was like, yo, I might watch it just based off of that. So in a way, that was Frozen's contribution to my life. All right. That is, I believe, all the time we have. Jono, thank you so much for coming. This was a lot of fun, man. Where can people follow you?

On Twitter, at Jono Zalay, J-O-N-O-Z-A-L-A-Y. I perform stand-up now around L.A. and sometimes the road. All right. And I will talk about it and promote shows on Twitter, so you can kind of one-stop shop for that. All right. Miles, where can people follow you?

You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at MilesOfGrey. You can follow me on Twitter at Jack underscore O B R I E N. Nick, what about you? I'll be back in my corner. Okay. The wall. Thank you.

One last thing I forgot. I do have a new podcast. Oh, there we go. Hell yeah. If you guys are from the San Diego area or you just have an interest in San Diego sports, I have a podcast called fuck the chargers.

Wow. Because they abandoned San Diego for Los Angeles. And you know, as an LA native, I also agree with that sentiment. Yeah. But for different reasons. But also, I'm like, why the fuck are the Chargers in LA? Yes, that is exactly the point we're trying to make.

They shouldn't be in LA. They should be back in San Diego. And until they move back, fuck them. Yeah. Fuck the Chargers. Yeah. Fuck the Chargers. On iTunes.

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