The Daily Zeitgeist - Global Warnings, World Cuck Soccer And Troll Control 10.12.17

Episode Date: October 12, 2017

In episode 4, Jack & Miles are joined by 'Yo Is This Racist's' Andrew Ti to discuss the US Soccer upset, how to deal with trolls, a Puerto Rico check-in, wildfires, the Red Cross, & more! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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that we're surprisingly more united than most people think. We all know something is wrong in our culture, in our politics, and that we need to do better and that we can do better. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hello, the Internet, and welcome to the Daily Zeitgeist for Thursday, October 12th, 2017. My name's Jack O'Brien. I am joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Myles Gray. Hola, Mr. Miles Gray. And we are thrilled to be joined by Andrew T., host of Yo, Is This Racist? What's up?

What's up, man? Miles, did you have to push that? I'm so used to being the only Asian person in a podcast for a while that I feel like, thank you. Yeah, no worries. I just need that. I have to hold down two races. I know.

Black and Japanese people. You're busy. Tomorrow morning, I'll do some a little more ebonic. This morning, I hit everybody with the ohayou gozaimasu. For all my Japanese listeners out there. Yeah, I just pretended to know what you said. Yeah, you did that. I was like, yeah, yeah. For sure.

Cool, cool, cool. Yeah. All right, Andrew, for our foolish listeners who don't listen to yo is this racist uh so they can get to know you quickly oh what is the weirdest thing in your search history from this week or this day or all right this is so this is a thing uh when y'all asked me about this i was like oh yeah this will be funny And then I realized there's nothing in my search history from this week because I deleted Google's ability or not ability. They 100 percent sell the ability. I told them they couldn't they shouldn't track my shit anymore.

So what I do have for my search history is basically five survivalist videos and then me abruptly cutting off google what was in those videos man they got you shook huh yeah and nothing crazy what happened was a couple like a couple weeks ago clearly i was like i'm gonna start getting into like i need to learn how to like camp and shit like i was like a uh not eagle scout but i was i did a boy scout thing for a while oh look at you and so i was like i can't get back into this so it's just like a but like a variety of like knife and gun reviews and then all of a sudden i was like you know what i'm out drop off the grid i'm out the military is definitely wait so did something happen in there where you're just like knife gun did someone say something or you're just like i don't want i don't want people to build a case i think it was the mindset no you

know what i think it was also like look it's it's never that fun to to watch a bunch of gun videos but it kind of is and i think i was just like i'm watching too many gun videos right this is bad um all right what's your over under um i came up with a bunch of these uh overrated overrated anti-heroes i feel like i feel like we're in a time where everyone thinks like just having a bad protagonist is enough and i think the what we've learned is that because of either something innate to how storytelling works or because of how western culture has indoctrinated us like there's no anti-heroes they're just the heroes everyone fucking loves these people even though they're quote-unquote bad right up to and including mr uh president you know it's like oh we love to hate him we love to hate him i think i i i'm in

love with this man that's what happens so entertaining my classic example is like every it's like matthew weiner can say whatever the fuck he wants about who he thinks Don Draper is. The reality is people, men especially, like, want to be Don Draper. Right. And it's like, it didn't, the message didn't take. It's like, oh, this is about how fucked up this generation is. Not really. Yeah, Jon Hamm is the voice of, like, all luxury goods from now until, like, people just forget that.

I mean, it's like, if we forget, like, again, I've gone to this well twice in one sentence already, but it's like, if Jon Hamm were less handsome, Don Draper 100% becomes Donald Trump. Yeah. Like, that's exactly who that person becomes. Yeah. So it's like you know uh other overrated sociopath who's empty on the inside yeah and who thinks he's who like is like hiding something but like needs to be better than everyone else right and is a hurt wounded little boy yeah and like in breaking bad when uh i remember when skylar started having completely reasonable objections to her husband being a drug dealer.

Everyone was like, God, she sucks. She's such a bitch. Yeah. It's like we want that narrative to continue. And we have been, again, either trained or like, I don't know, fucking lots of people in this stupid ass town will argue that narrative is innate but to human experience but like we always root for the protagonist of the story right and it's like i mean soprano too i was arguing about this the other day it's like breaking bad is an interesting show if jesse pinkman is a young latino kid and it's told from his perspective

right not that i know people love it but it's a better show in that case yeah hey let's talk about that off the air man a little pilot presentation we got something um give me some what's uh underrated underrated uh corporate wokeness i know everyone hates it but there's a part of me and look i don't think it's good, but I think it's underrated. So like anytime corporations do the right thing for a clearly blatant profit-oriented reason, I'm kind of for it. I'm just like, I will take it. And it's not as bad as like I think we all – It's a step forward-ish. Yeah.

a third derivative reflection of society because their only concern is like do do most of the people think about think of this as the right thing to do and so we will follow suit after it's like so so so safe for us to do it right but it's still a powerful thing so i'm just like i'll take it again it's progress it's capitalism working yeah yeah yeah that's when capitalism works right um so yeah underrated not good but underrated okay cool i love it man yeah you could uh have a whole podcast of you just doing over underrated things i'm sure that's a podcast somewhere right can i can i uh run down uh i the couple other ones that i thought were funny that i wrote down is overrated is how well all of us think we're gonna do in a nuclear war and underrated uh pestilence the horseman

right i think he gets a lot of like a short shrift and when when the apocalypse do come most of us are gonna succumb to pestilence yeah none of the other shit we all think it's we're gonna go out in a war or death or famine nah pestilence it Yeah. None of the other shit. We all think it's, we're going to go out in a war or death or famine. Nah, pestilence. It all dries up. Yeah.

What you going to eat? Fingernails? I was just listening to, or reading an article about the Cuban Missile Crisis and like, they were briefing JFK

about like, the horrifying things that happen to you like when you're exposed to radiation and like, one of them is like, basically sores start opening up

and then you get infections and that's how we're all going to die. Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah. Hey, speaking of this crazy town that we live in, we are currently in week two of the Harvey Weinstein saga of just revelation after revelation. saga of just revelation after revelation. Now it appears that he was basically a very systematized serial offender. All of these women's stories sound almost identical. He had

assistants who are complicit in it, executives at Miramax who are complicit in it. And they all have the same details of like, you know, the robe in his, he comes out in a robe in the hotel room or whether it's their apartment or his apartment or a hotel room, asks for a massage, just all this creepy shit that is like all part of his weird system. And it turns out Gwyneth Paltrow experienced it. Angelina Jolie experienced it. Like basically everybody in this town has experienced Heather Graham has experienced it. The real issue that we have to focus on at this point, or at least that CNN was focusing on a couple of days ago, is how long it took Obama and Clinton to respond to you guys. Oh, man. Just, I mean, what is up with these people? Their silence is deafening.

Right. Oh, man. I mean, yeah. Is it is there a window that you have to hit before you aren't viewed as a supporter of the crime? I don't know. That's like the question they're posing, right? It's like, well, it took five days, so what does that mean? Right. What's the statute of limitations on?

Right. I feel like this is like the bad thing in exactly – it's exacerbated by the fact that like you don't pay consequences as a man or typically. Like that's the real thing is like this is hugely atypical. And like a thing that's been happening on Twitter today is a lot of like – you know, a lot of my close personal friends who are like in the business, just like really talented women that i'm very close friends with the entertainment business um no but they they're coming out with their own personal stories you know of shit that has happened to them in this town like it's not it's not common that people get punished for this behavior man sorry it's not common that men get punished for this behavior and so there's a real calculus among public figures of, you know, and I'm not saying this is right, but it's like, look, we from Obama and Clinton's perspective, it's like waiting for to see where the preponderance of public opinion lands. Right.

They're politicians. Yeah. And it wasn't a guarantee that everyone was going to be like one seems a monster. Right. They're politicians. crimes right right so it's like okay everyone's a coward but everyone is exactly the level of coward that is about fair i think i don't know yeah well i think we were saying earlier too that this tactic is employed on both sides left and right in terms of like well how long did it take trump to to speak out on this or how long did it take republicans to speak out on trump shit and so i guess cnn and their attempt to seem fair and balanced right was like trying to use that same argument yeah now against them but it's like that is kind of

the interesting version of this because it's like whatever conversations clinton you know and her advisors were having or clint you know both clintons obama's everyone and their advisors were having about like do we say something i don't know like potentially weinstein is our base like he's a big donor that's the exact same conversation trump had to have about neo-nazis right it's like well maybe this will blow over like we don't of course we don't like the neo-nazis but like i don't know that maybe this will blow over like you know yeah i don't want to upset them yeah it's like oh we can't you know it's kind of there are there are guys um you know that's obviously the most charitable reading of what could have gone on in the trump white house but you know yeah you kind of see it a little bit it's like he was hoping just like clinton and

obama were hoping that this would blow over right he was hoping charlottesville would blow over but i still don't understand how it took obama that long because i mean he has daughters and as we've learned in all these public statements you have to have a daughter to understand that sexual assault is wrong i don't know yeah that's why i'm confused about the whole thing i'm i'm not even a father i'm like right it's bad right i mean i have a i have a dog who's a woman so right i guess i i'm like almost there. Right. Yeah. Oy, oy, oy. That is – has been every public figure. But it's also like not justifying this, but there is like a good slippery slope that we're on, which hopefully ends with equality. But we're currently on a slippery slope where many people who we like very much have done

terrible things right i mean like hopefully this is like a a warning to to many of those people cut your shit out get help if you truly cannot help yourself but like you know there's that but but there are many dominoes that will fall i mean you know everyone and not to make it a generational thing because this happens in in our generation and people younger than us sexism is rampant bigotry is rampant but like these people like got away with it for much longer bill cosby got away with things because you know hugh hefner got away with things because it was like yeah that's just's just how it goes. And, like, we're at a difficult inflection point where a lot of – hopefully we're at an inflection point. I mean, the other thing that's going to happen is, like, maybe back to the status quo, like we've always done.

Yeah, it's an uncomfortable inflection point, but hopefully it is an inflection point that keeps getting more uncomfortable for entitled people who have used their fame to abuse people. Um, Hey, Hey, speaking of none of that, uh, the U S failed to reach the world. I learned a couple of days ago and immediately,

uh, did not give a shit about that story at all. Uh, but miles, you are a soccer fan and... Football. Oh! Footy.

You're a fan of the footy? Come at me, NFL fans. It's footy. The football. I mean, yes, look. I'm a huge soccer, I guess I'll use that word. Do you call the NFL gridiron football or American football? Which of the wanker terms no that's just that's a shit that's on tv when i'm hung over on a sunday

not even like really ever watching it uh-huh but yes so the u.s failed to get into the world cup for the first time since like the 80s 1986 men's u.s men want to stay woke stay well the men's national because the women they're doing their thing, and they've figured it out. The men's team, however, has not. And, yes, they failed to get in. Now, as a soccer fan and an American, you always want your team to be good. You always want your team to do well. And, you know, for nearly any other sport where there's a national team that the U.S. competes in,

we're, like like crushing shit. But soccer is just like that one nut that we haven't been able to crack quite yet. And it seemed like we were on pace to do that when we had the manager before Bruce Serena, this man named Juergen Klinsmann, who's a German soccer, who used to play soccer, also for a terrible team called Tottenham. Anyway, we can get into that later. Wow, a lot of editorializing. Yeah, a lot of editorializing yeah a lot of anyway but he came over here and he really saw an opportunity with the u.s to actually to sort of nudge it into the right direction by you know encouraging uh you know minorities and immigrant populations in the u.s to begin participating in the sport because clearly there

are a lot of people who come from uh soccer loving countries in this like in the u.s so he said hey let's get these kids playing let's start let's start weaving that into the fabric of the national team uh he was also encouraging players to leave the mls because objectively the mls is not a very competitive league it's just it's just uh well it's very competitive but it's at a very low level yeah which is like the fourth fifth best league in the world? Not even. It's probably like between the second and first. Germany has a better league.

England has a better league. France has a better league. Spain has a better league. But those leagues all have sub-leagues. And those even though are sub-leagues, yeah. I would rank the MLS between the second and third tier of sub-leagues. Sure. And like Englandland for sure probably

um and so you know the mls has really become a place for like really great european players to just get a check and retire and be like yo i can phone it in i look like a god right so perfect so anyway a lot of his attitudes towards like american soccer and the sort of need to begin revolutionizing the sport it definitely rubbed certain people the wrong way, whether it was players who were like, oh, how dare they say the MLS is public. There's some great players here. Yo, fam, like look at it objectively. None of these people, they're not vying for FIFA World Player of the Year.

The talent is just simply not there. So basically after, you know, there was a few dips in form because obviously change doesn't come instantly. Rome wasn't built in a day. You know, he had back-to-back losses to Mexico, which is humiliating for U.S. soccer fans because that's like, that's a no-no. And also lost to Costa Rica. Those are kind of became the last straws and they fired him. And some of these people in the old guard who just did not really agree with Klinsman found a reason to be like, look at this.

I mean, we're, we're failing. Like he's, he's putting us in jeopardy. We got to get rid of them. And the old guard believes in what? Like MLS soccer and MLS great kids who like come up through the soccer program where like their parents have to pay a thousand dollars to get them on like club teams. And yeah, sure. Exactly.

Because, you know, he was even saying like, you got you have kids whether like you know from mexico and things like that who are are who are eligible to play for the u.s like let's let's get these kids playing too like they get the sport in a completely different way um and yeah he was really trying to democratize i think the way soccer was being played here and because you know if you think about it in like urban areas there's no soccer field for you to go play. Like that's for the suburbs and stuff like that. So he was really trying to use he was understanding and identifying that there was a lot of untapped talent and things like that. And I think a lot of it, too, is like, you know, one of the most legendary U.S. players, Landon Donovan.

He also had like a bit of a problem with him, too. You know, he cut him from the national. Yeah, exactly. And it was like, oh, my God, how dare he? But like, look, Land problem with him too. Uh, you know, he cut him from the national. Yeah, exactly. And it was like, Oh my God, how dare he? But like,

well, Landon. Yeah. He was getting old. And also that Lena Donovan is the type of guy who was the best in the U S he went to Germany, basically realized that he was not the best ever. And he got benched and he was like,

well, I don't like them going back to the U S sucks. It was like a cry baby. Like like, I don't like them going back to the U.S. Europe sucks. It was like a crybaby. Like he didn't really go. He didn't take the time to understand that, you know, he had some weaknesses that he could work on. And I think that was more indicative of sort of how a lot of older U.S. soccer people view how we do things here is like we're not the problem. It's the we I think that matters, too.

It's the we, I think, that matters, too. It's like the fact that the U.S., especially men's, but probably actually both national teams, do not represent the people who are strapping on cleats on Saturday mornings. Right. Like in this country. Right. Because it looks like a fucking frat. Like the U.S. men's national team. Yeah, it's very abercrombie and it's like fucking soccer players in this country if you count them up they're a lot browner they're a lot you know they're a lot blacker and browner

than like the team would suggest i mean credit to that team because that that the the complexion literally of the team has begun to change and sure yeah but there's so very much it's not representative no not at all. Yeah, exactly. So essentially we were left with this bum coach, Bruce Arena, who I can talk about all day. He's been the manager of the U.S. He looks a lot like Steve Mnuchin. Like a real sloppy one. You know, marched us to a slow death march to the point where now we are completely – we didn't qualify for qualify for the world cup fans are angry as fuck and they are trying to make sense of everything and i just to

me it was just very interesting because i honestly feel that getting rid of jordan klinsman was a bad move he was really trying to take those steps necessary for the u.s to begin to compete at that global level um and it seems like our our attitude in this country just sort of really showed itself in how quickly we dismissed him just after a few bumps in the road. Yeah. So, you know, we got what we deserved. So like I said, I usually don't give a shit about soccer, but like you telling me that story, I could like see the movie,

like the Disney movie, and this is like the midpoint where he's like gone and like the team is sucking and then he's going to come back heroically. It'll be like sort of hidden figures starring an old German man. Yeah. All right. We have to take a break and we'll be right back after that. Daphne Caruana Galizia was a Maltese investigative journalist who on October 16, 2017, was murdered. There are crooks everywhere you look now. The situation is desperate. My name is Manuel Delia. I am one of the hosts of Crooks Everywhere, a podcast that unhurts the plot to murder a one-woman Wikileaks. Daphne exposed the culture of crime and corruption that were turning her beloved country into a mafia state. And she paid the ultimate price.

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It's been coming up a lot. There's wildfires. It's been coming up a lot. There's wildfires. Our state, California, is currently on fire more than it's ever been on fire, I think, has been reported. Jesus. I think I heard that one football field of forest is devoured by flame every three seconds. So it's doing a lot of damage. And there's also, you know, we've been seeing some super storms, some unprecedented super storms in the Gulf and in the Atlantic.

And at the same time, Scott Pruitt, the head of the EPA, which I'm told stands for Environmental Protection Agency. Oh, the protection is the EPA, which I'm told stands for Environmental Protection Agency. Oh, the protection is in scare quotes, though. Right. He just repealed the Obama administration's 2015 Clean Power Plan and, you know, claimed that the war on coal is over, claimed that the war on coal is over um which the thing that has been mostly happening to coal is that uh natural gas is cheaper than coal and coal is too expensive we are like this close from a trump administration produced ad campaign of like a crying santa claus wondering where he's going to get coal from we're like we're this close

this is the level of rhetoric we're operating with grasping at straws for sure right um and yeah i mean there there's some scary shit uh about like what how climate change can sort of feed on itself. So they've speculated that the more that the climate changes and heats up, the worse wildfires are going to become because, you know, more heat. So you're getting summer heat that dries up the foliage, you know, earlier and earlier. So more opportunities for wildfires and more stuff has dried out. So the wildfires are worse. And apparently, wildfires contribute to global warming. So we're losing a thing that's fighting global warming and converting it into global warming, essentially. So you just can see a vicious cycle. And Yale Climate Connections

has an article that's, I think, California specialists on climate change are saying that it can create a vicious cycle where we just get worse global warming leads to worse forest fires leads to worse global warming leads to worse forest fires until the earth is a charred ruin. God, we're so fucked. Right. So the fun part about this story is we don't have any solutions to any of this. We're just telling you about it. So speaking of natural disasters that global warming is making worse, we wanted to check in with how the hurricane relief has been going because not well, it

turns out. In some of our dry run episodes, we did a story about how the Red Cross has not been as good at disaster relief as you would have expected. Screwed the pooch a few times. Yeah. In Haiti, I think they got some crazy amount. They received $500 million. $500 million and turned that into six houses, six permanent houses.

They had been talking about how they were going to put up all these settlements and basically create cities and make Haiti better than it was before the earthquake. And instead they put up six houses and yeah, and they spent a quarter of that, like 125 million on just internal costs. So like paying out people. There is a really good and a really good investigation into this by what's that website that does really good investigation.

ProPublica. ProPublica. I was going to say ProPublica. Yeah. They're fucking good, man. investigation into this by what's that uh website that does really good investigation they uh yeah they have like all these documents and it's just crazy when you look inside the red cross like the things that they're worried about and the things that they uh spend money on are you know basically they'll they'll spend money getting trucks down to the disaster sites. Yeah. Just as like as billboards to be like, look at those Red Cross trucks going around and people will be like, there's nothing in here. Right. They just like drive them back and forth to like PR opportunities and there would be nothing

in there. Right. Oh, God. That's what they're like emailing up. To be like, if there was going to be some like on the site reporting from CNN, they'd be like, get the truck over there. Get the God. That's what that's what they're like. Yeah, they were just set up to be like if there was going to be some like on the site reporting from CNN. Right. Right. Get the truck over there. Get the truck. OK, here's let me let me play the worst kind of devil's advocate, I guess. But OK, but to coordinate international aid, you need an organization that is big enough to handle, over multinational, multimillion, maybe billion-dollar budgets. And so living in the real world, we also know that organizations of that size are rife for corruption.

But is it possible for a smaller – I mean, I guess the sweet spot is a constant green shoot of disruptive, briefly non-corrupt NGOs that come up, become corrupt, and then someone else supplants them. And then for a brief window, we have actual people getting help that they deserve at a proportional rate, but delivered efficiently in a way that – I don't know. You know what I mean? but delivered efficiently in a way that I don't know. You know what I mean? It's like, like, okay, fuck the red cross.

But most of the smaller organizations don't have the ability to do what the red cross could do, even though it's not right. I don't know. I mean, maybe the thing that you said was underrated, like corporate, uh,

wokeness, wokeness, uh, maybe like I was was thinking okay so puerto rico right now is still a complete fucking disaster this uh cbs reporter david bignod uh is basically specializes in going to the aftermath of disasters and reporting on like how disaster relief is going and he says this is the worst he's ever seen it like. And they're three weeks out. He said he's never seen a disaster relief process going this bad three

days out and they're three weeks out, just like nobody's getting the care they need. You know, there's all these old people who are completely cut off from communication. Communication really seems to be like the main thing that they're lacking because their power infrastructure went down. So I was reading that at the same time as I had just read a thing about how completely fucked all these robber baron tech companies and tech CEOs are in terms of public opinion, like basically public opinion has been going down steadily when it comes to Google, Facebook, Apple. Well, so Uber, they say, is like the person is the company that started it.

They were like, oh, yeah, maybe tech companies are complete fucking assholes. But so that's starting to happen and obviously the 2016 election didn't help so like why like this would be a perfect opportunity for facebook or google or apple to like go down there like apple's about to have a huge surplus of iphone 8s so like why not go down there why not go down there and hand those out to everybody and get some drones with portable Wi-Fi towers and

send those all across the island. That's the sort of thing that you would get so much credit for and that would be good for your bottom line. I don't know if it's a lack of imagination or like... Yeah, lack of imagination or like uh i think yeah lack of just genuinely wanting to do shit because i know tesla like a priority yeah tesla

has quietly been going down there they've been using their batteries yeah and like to help actually give give people some like power and remote areas but they're not trying to be like hey we're down here it's just a thing that's been happening but yeah i don't know why anyone else is just but i mean i think that's like where the corporate wokeness comes in i'm sure the that's like you know from fucking elon musk's perspective like this disaster is also like opportunity well it's like a best r&d lab you could find it's like right how good are our batteries really and you know since he's making cars instead of something virtual, that only depends on PR. He's like, well, we should test these in a disaster area. Right. So it's like a win-win win for those guys.

But also, right, it's like, okay, if they're helping people, I guess welcome to the fucking team. Right. But, I mean, they have so much money. Like, just throwing a little bit towards disaster relief would just be a fucking drop like a rounding error for them yeah i'm still confused as to how the public outrage still hasn't quite gotten there and i think because i from every angle they're trying to well i mean it's because we don't care about brown people like as a public i do and on this podcast yeah yeah especially sorry very hard yeah tell me

it's very hard being on this podcast when i said we i do mean this podcast not america i mean look so this is the big hole like right after the election i i remember a thing that you know i and many many other people um were talking about like act locally right right like if you're feeling disenfranchised by the federal government do do what you can in your in your community. You know, help help people. If you are afraid that I don't know, totally hypothetically, like the Trump administration is going to attack trans folks. You can also help trans folks in the community that you live in. Right. So that was my party line a little bit. And it is a thing. Trans folks in the community that you live in.

Right. So that was my party line a little bit. And it is a thing. But the big shortcoming in that is like sometimes you need a big bureaucratic measured response to a thing like a natural disaster. Right. Which is like, yes, everyone in Puerto Rico can help their neighbor. But that doesn't. Right. That doesn't help them.

Yeah. They can't conjure water out of thin air. I mean, like drinking water is a huge issue. Yeah. So that's why this matters, I guess. Right. Yeah. Well, and it also, yeah, yeah like you said it fits our pattern of like if the victims are brown whatever like there isn't much outcry like if the victims are brown let them drown if those are white i don't know we better fight yeah yeah i mean same like flint the flint

water shit it's like oh yeah we everything you see like oh just a bunch of disenfranchised people of color who are being poisoned and it's kind of like yeah and you know fucking in 10 years someone's gonna maybe go to jail or pay a fine for this and then in 15 years there's gonna be an oscar-winning movie about it right right it's like yeah um and also the red, we should say, is fucking up Harvey relief. So even even in even in the America where there where there are white people that the media cares about, the Red Cross is still doing their thing of fucking things up and like doing things just for show. The Red Cross is basically a PR agency for the Red Cross. Like, that's what your money goes to a lot of the time um i mean look silicon valley if you're so like if you're really

such outside the box thinkers like fucking disrupt the aid like industry right let's see and that is a that is a rhetorical thing i'm saying because we know that you can't do it. Just like, look, you're just a bunch of young white guys fucking running businesses that a bunch of old white guys, a.k.a. Wall Street, has rewarded currently. But like, there's nothing magic about what you do. I said it. Fuck you, Silicon Valley. Fuck you, Silicon Valley. All right. We're going to go to a quick break and we'll be right back.

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back! So, Andrew. What's up? You are, as the host of a podcast about racism, you have been known to confront a troll or two in your time and you have a patented eight-part technique called control uh where you learn where you teach people how to uh deal with trolls oh my god you're i i like how you're pushing my improv

skills to the limit because if i were good what I would start with is, all right, first of all, C. C stands for? C's for context. I don't know if I have anything that in-depth. But I do. So especially, well, more than the podcast, actually, the website, yosusracist.com. Check it out. Thank you for letting me get that natural plug in.

Actually, we're going to edit that out, Nick. We've marked that. Okay. The website is where basically I say like, hey, ask me if something is racist, which is like prime troll bait. Right. So a couple of things about arguing with trolls is like I first got into arguing with racist trolls but i think it's that's a little redundant now um it through right after college i was like spending a lot of time arguing with creationists on the internet and it's like all the same tactics um so what's like a tried and true

tactic employed by a troll so the big yeah yeah so the big one that I found started as like a debate technique, but works probably arguably even better online, which is a thing called the Gish Gallop or called by creationist fighters called the Gish Gallop, which is after this guy, Dwayne Gish, who's like a big time creationist. And he's one of the guys that will like try to debate people, like really calls out scientists. I want to debate the theory of evolution. try to debate people like really calls out scientists i want to debate the theory of evolution and his tactic is basically like pack so many lies into your sentence that like it is it by the time you refute every untrue thing he said you sound like a sputtering idiot and this is this is like from the rules of debate where everyone has like two minutes to talk. Right. So he can in his two minutes say so many things that are attacks but are factually incorrect or factually dishonest. But you cannot refute them all. Like you are either like have to speed talk and you sound like defensive or it's just logically impossible to like get to it.

Like. Right. Wasn't there a point in the Trump Clinton debates where she at one point was just like, there's so many things wrong with that that like I don't even know where to begin or something. I mean, kind of like she did the best thing you can do, I think, but it's still like doesn't work that well, which is like she's like, there's so many lies in that. Go to Hillary Clinton dot com slash blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And it's like that looks at. Yeah, that looks so weak. Yeah, it did.

Like, rhetorically, even though it is like... So my, anyway, my theory on this, because I get a lot of people submitting to Yosef's racist, that it's like, the model is like, false premise, create a straw man out of, like, a perversion of something I've said in the past, some kind of other lie.

Conclusion, aren't you the real racist? And so the two, you know, on Yo! Is This Racist? I have the luxury of, OK, if I really want to, what I can do is bang out a thousand words in response to their like two sentence, you know, question. Right. And really try to like comprehensively take them down. like two sentence, you know, question. Right. And, and really try to like comprehensively take them down. But even that is like so much fucking work. Like,

it's like, you have to check your work. You have to make sure you refuted everything that said you have to make sure your shit is bulletproof. And it's like, it's like just the, the, you know,

you'd reach the heat death of the universe trying to refute every lie. So my tactic for that is really just like, this is intellectually dishonest, but rhetorically effective, I find, which is to pick out the one, the most obvious lie or logical error they've made, highlight that,

and then return with some sort of insult. Give us an example of what someone would say to you and then how you would respond to that. So the one that I get frequently is like, well, black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime. And so that's often an opening premise. And so it's complex but you know so your response is something along the lines of like well controlling for socioeconomic factors and

education levels and blah blah blah blah blah blah you know along with the history of racism like unequal like policing um this is why you know a bunch of shit that even sounds weak you already sound like a cuck yeah exactly like that's that's plus mike dick has said there hasn't been any racism in 100 years yeah so so i mean really it's like you know you you have to pick out something from there it's like like again intellectually dishonest but it's like you know oh i'm sorry that you don't know what uh you know controlling for a variable is you dumb motherfucker you know like and then and then oftentimes i like to to take a thing um a you know twist twist a racist word or twice a racist like line of thought so i i might might go to i probably lean on it a little too much but i really like it which is like

um just saying something along the lines of like are all white people this bad at um logic or is it just like the white is it just the white community or do you think it's an innate genetic problem with white people you know something something along those lines like fucking like like pull you know and it's wrong and but it's just like kind of the only way to break the cycle of trolldom, is you kind of have to go a little bit back. And then my other method, this is more Twitter-based. I find it entertaining, but the degree of difficulty is really high, and I fuck this up a lot. So this is an elite-level troll control move. And I'm not even there i'm like i'm i feel like i have like a 10

like complete success on this but go play as dumb as humanly fucking possible so just like if it's like if someone comes at you and is like well you know the confederate flag is really so the civil war was really about states rights not, not racism or not slavery. And it's like, sorry, states' rights to do what? And then they're like, well, you know, it was really economic-based. And it's like, oh, yeah, the economy of what? And you really have to hold the line. And it ideally works, actually, if you're less confrontational than the tone I just put forth.

And just give them as much rope as possible. But you really have to like devote an afternoon to this like it's really a humongous waste of time and for me at best what i get out of it is a hilarious screenshot where they say like well so we all know like black people are less you know less intelligent than i was like is it worth it? Absolutely not. Is it kind of fun? Sometimes. Is it soul-destroying? 100%. You know, the real thing is, like, just mute them. Right.

Let them scream into the void. Exactly. The best real advice I got, yeah, was that, like, you know, because when I first started the website, I would answer a lot more trolls. And someone just wrote in one time and was like, hey, man, you know if you just delete them, they're just screaming into the void. And I was like, yeah, I know. I should do that more. But we're all weak. And they can't see that you muted them. So they are literally wasting their time yelling at you.

But you know what? wasting their time yeah yelling at you yeah but you know what and and that's it i i at the same time i i like to to like argue with trolls but when i see other people do it it's always an eye roll so yeah you know i i would say but yeah try i i would say that especially if you get frustrated i think the gish gallop is like a thing that people get a lot and it's like well well you know i how could you how could you say all these things and it's like well well you know i how could you how could you say all these things and it's like just don't just just pick the one most obvious mistake and then call them a fucking idiot like you have to yeah don't yeah don't try and peg them all down that's so good well we have so much more to talk about but i think we're out of time because that was

just too much fun uh jeremy lynn has dread, and Malala had her first day of lectures at Oxford. Those are the happy stories we were going to go out on. Malala, also her first day of lectures, happened to be on the five-year anniversary of her getting shot in the face. So that's awesome. That's an uplifting tale for all of us right exactly because it actually is but still i mean yeah and jeremy lynn's shit locks they're heartwarming oh just if i can get the one one uh one fucking thing in there it's like hey fellow

asian people just i mean fucking let's let's acknowledge some of the shit that we get but also particularly like millionaire harvard educated rich asian people let's let's just fucking know know where you're at the fucking ass brooklyn yeah andrew thank you so much thanks for having me this was a lot of fun we'll definitely have you back. Where can people follow you? Go to YoIsThisRacist. That's an easy place to find me. I'm also on Twitter. Andrew T.

Last name is spelled T-I. I know this doesn't actually matter, but it is all caps. Good to know. Good to know. Let him know. Miles, where can people find you? You can find me at milesofgray, G-R-A-Y,

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