The Daily Zeitgeist - Google Search Is Died, Enron Musk 05.14.24

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

In episode 1675, Jack and Miles are joined by host of Better Offline, Ed Zitron, to discuss... The Decline of Google Search, Enron Musk and more! The Man That Destroyed Google Search Enron Musk Ft. Ed Niedermeyer LISTEN: Without You by Karma SheenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I used to like soccer growing up, but then I've just grown out of it now. And hearing a bunch of Americans be like, hi man, out Arsenal. That's my best American accent. You found him. I just,

I don't like it. I don't like hearing it. I don't need, I don't need any Americans talking about West Ham. Oh man. Forever blowing bubbles, mate. You know what I mean? That's what we're saying.

I remember catching them at the bowling ground playing, you know, that other team. So, yeah, there we go. Now, there's someone who knows football. Yeah, unless they're like that, in which case they're an expert, right? Yeah. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradenti. And I'm Jermaine Jackson-Gadson. We're the hosts of Let's Talk Offline linkedin news and iheart podcasts there's a lot to figure out when you're just

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Together, we'll be diving even deeper into the unbelievable stories behind 7M Films and Shekinah Church. Listen to Forgive Me For I Have Followed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.

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And it is Tuesday, May 14th, 2024. Year of our Lord. I just realized on yesterday's Weekend Trending episode, I said I gave the days that are actually today. So you already heard what today is. It's National Decency Day and National Buttermilk Biscuit Day and National Dance Like a Chicken Day. Could we just be decent to each other and stop yelling

on college campuses? You know what I'm saying? Did you see that Guy Ritchie show, Jack, on Netflix, The Gentleman? I saw the first couple. Isn't that the one where a bunch of British people try and sell weed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very believable. Very believable.

But I just was thinking of the guy, how he had to dance like a chicken for the Liverpool gangster guy. Yeah, yeah. And just doing more and more cocaine to be able to believably be a chicken. You've got one thing right right and that's the chicken thing, but the decency, no. Because, in fact, those two things are in opposition to each other. Right, right, right. I used to have to do so much cocaine

before the chicken dance came on at my middle school dances. I used to have to get fucking jacked to the gills. You start hearing that polka band warm up. Oh man, I still fart whenever I hear polka music, man. My body just reacts. Doing it off the water fountain.

Yeah. Well, my name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. Here comes the story of Harry Kane, a soccer player with an amazing name. And though I've never seen him run, Jack O.B. said he was the one who makes him scream. And the Zeitgeist Babies agree. Woo! That is courtesy of Hannah Ramick View on the Discord about

my favorite phrase in the English language. Harry Kane Massive! I'm sure our guests are completely unoffended. That's a new rave. Wow, wait. am I home? Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined.

Shout out to Hannah Ramick for you, though. One of the greats. Thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, a.k.a. Slithering and fishing and big toothless smile. Heroin addict with Lebron james hairstyle the video game was a horrible thing gollum's my new favorite lord of the ring singular reference to that apology letter from the people that made the gollum video game and couldn't wait they letter apologizing yeah

it was that bad yeah it was terrible it was absolutely terrible and the first thing was like we're so sorry about Gollum lord of the ring and everyone's like the fucking you don't even have the name right you can't even get that part right can you yeah not at all so

on the discord that was from shout out to you. Thanks for that one. Yeah, yeah. Wait, is there fishing in that game? Is that what? Or did we just make that up? I think that might be.

Well, I think because he just needs to eat. From my understanding, he just lives off of just fish. Whatever comes into his. Procured from the streams. Does he eat chickens as well? I think he eats. I think Gollum is an omnivore. I think it's safe to say he would eat a tin can if pushed into the shove like a goat.

I've only seen the first of the Lords of the Ring and that I was very high for. So I don't remember much of it. So the first time I saw the second one, Two Towers, I was in a Leicester Square movie theater in London and was there with a few friends, but I had quite a few drinks. And then it says Lord of the Rings on the screen. And one of the guys on which goes, oh, fuck, I thought this was Harry Potter. And a bunch of really like exactly the kind of people you thought would be there opening night for this movie. Go shh, shh, shushing him. Stop fucking being weird.

I think it said like, Lord of the Rings and then took a beat and then said, the two towers because immediately after that he goes, you're a wizard, Harry!

And the people turned around very clearly wanting to say something not realizing that this guy was huge. Yeah. Oh, right. He was just a giant guy.

Yeah. It was a total... Well, that's good for Happy Gilmore, oh my's good for Happy Gilmore. Oh, my God. Second Happy Gilmore, Billy Madison reference in two days. Yeah. He would have punched them in.

We're on fire. Asunder. Right, right. Asunder. I like it. Well, that voice you hear is not Harry Kane. We are thrilled to be joined by one of our favorites, the tech journalist and writer behind the newsletter, Where's Your Ed At?

Where's Your Ed Dot At? This podcast with Cool Zone Media, Better Offline, is a must-listen. One of my favorite podcasts that launched in the last year. So good. Go check it out. It's Ed Zitron! What's up?

Welcome back. It's the podcast zone. Welcome back to the podcast voice the entire time. I's the podcast zone. Hell yeah. Welcome back to the podcast voice the entire time. I don't even know what that is. You're in the pod. You're in the pod. With the casters.

Man. I did start on college radio. Oh, you did? There you go. Were you playing music or were you just doing like taking colors? I was playing music, but I was talking and I just bring random people in. Yeah. And my favorite thing to do was when I got crank calls

from people is I'd find their number and call them back. I'd be like, I think we got cut off somehow. Right. Most of the time they're like I'm sorry. Oh wow. I'm sorry man. It's okay. You're on radio. Whoa. it's always interesting to see that kind

of troll energy or like i only meant it for it to go in one direction the second you acknowledge yeah person it all falls apart this wasn't a conversation yeah but i i was born on the internet i was ready for this like right exactly oh man who was that one dude who did those crank calls in the uk that comedian i remember like they went viral over here in the internet era hmm it was like oh my god he would do never mind i'll find the thing it was like jersey boys you're thinking of yeah yeah the jerky boys jerky boys the jersey boys I think that's a musical. Yeah. Jersey Boys is a musical.

About Americans. Look, my brain's not working. All right. That makes three of us. That's right. Two, five. Well, Ed, we're thrilled to have you on. We're going to talk about some of the stuff you've been covering over on Better Offline.

We got a little more detail. I think the first time you were on, we talked a little bit about Google search being an example of the rot economy, but we have a better idea of kind of the specifics of how it got so bad. So we're going to dig into that and other companies that are being ruined by this management class of people. The McKinsey elite. like management class of people. The McKinsey elite.

The McKinsey elite. You do your time at McKinsey and then go ruin the tech industry. Run any business you like into the ground. They'll pay you so well for the privilege. And then you'll fail upwards. We'll talk about that. And there's also some interesting stuff on Elon Musk, who you refer to as Enron Musk.

Enron Musk, yeah, that was the best pun I've made. There is a direction. There is a path that this could go down. That's like really, really like obviously like anyone who's been paying attention is like this guy's kind of full of shit. Right. But some of the stuff with Tesla and the self-driving car stuff. Oh, yeah.

Granted, this being the version of Americaica we exist in it's probably going to be fine but there's a version in a sane world where this whole house of cards collapses what's tesla is just such a peculiar company like the cyber truck alone right yeah it is insane that that thing is going on about like nearly chopping people's feet like Some guy put his finger in the trunk thing as it closed and broke him. Honestly, that's on you. That's on you, mate. You're going to stick your finger

in there. But also, these things keep breaking. Someone's broke because he put it in a car wash. I saw that one too, yeah. They seem to just perpetually get stuck in situations that a 1986 Camry would carefully navigate. And I think, though, to some extent, that's also they used to just make things better. But, eh, 80s, you were getting into globalization.

The McKinsey person hadn't come in and given them the analysis that having it break in a couple of years actually makes it helps with turnover. It could save us 13 cents per car, but the cars will last five years less. Meaning they need to buy a new one. Boom. Just the prank call thing I was referencing earlier was Phone Jacker. Phone Jacker. Yeah.

Kayvon Novak, who's the guy who's on What We Do in the Shadows. He's like this English comedian. He had this like whole prank call website that me and my friends are... It was like a show that was on... I forget what channel. I missed a branding opportunity in elementary school, apparently. I could have been the phone

jacker. Could have been. The phone jacker. I don't know if I'd want a... I don't know if I'd want a title with Jack in it. In elementary school? Yeah. It wasn't great. If Jack calls you, don't pick up. Just so you know.

It's weird on the other side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I tried to steer clear of that as much as possible. But before we get into all that stuff, Ed, we do like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Or what is something that you've recently screen grabbed that is revealing about who you are? I've been very much enjoying this weird side project called Them Crooked Vultures. It was the Queen's of the Side frontman, bassist from Led Zeppelin, and Dave Grohl on drums also.

But also that and Peeping Tom, which is another great name to say. But also, it was a Mike Patton, so Mike Patton of Faith No More. It was him, Razel, who was this guy who does beatboxing with his mouth. Yeah, from the roots. to say but also it was a mike pattern so mike pattern of faith no more it's him razelle who is this guy who does beatboxing with his mouth yeah from the roots uh weird weird band called dub trio which was dubstep but done with the band and then i forget what the woman was calling it but the djs were called the executioners it's insane it was like a one-off album it's fantastic and i'll be listening to it sit outside the weather's getting nice here so i'm just sitting outside having a frosty diet coke listening to music it's delightful

wait what was this group again that had the executioners in it yeah peeping tom wow i mean i used to watch their like scratch videos because they're like they are excellent like the whole band's excellent you got to check them out wow okay yeah rest in peace rock raider i remember he passed away in 2000 something but yeah that that's okay i'm definitely gonna look into that that's yeah like it's such a weird band but it's great and i think the first time you were on your search history was also something related to the queens of the stone age yeah that's because i'm a huge queen of the stone age fan yes i've now seen them 16 times but i realized that there's actually something not queens of sage i could bring up which is peeping tom which i don't think has any connection to the band which is unusual for music to me

wow look at you spreading spreading out i'm spreading out now i listen to two bands yeah have you been uh to the orb at all to To the orb? Yeah, I have. So I don't know how much you know about this thing, but it's really weird. They tell you to come in at a time, but then there's like an hour in this very strange lobby with these AI, quote unquote, humanoids that will respond to things you say. So you're there for an hour and it's crowded

and the food sucks and it's awful but also these these robots will talk back to you but i've heard rumors that there's not actually robots there's a bloke who's just talking oh and if i ever come across the truth behind this story you'll hear it on better offline for sure but i went to see darren aronofsky's postcards from earth yeah that was one of the things. I was up the very high seats, which were the cheapest ones, making them 130 bucks a piece,

which is ridiculous. For a movie. Those seats, I have never felt such powerful vertigo. I have a fear of heights, and I thought I was going to die. I had the whole time. Fall down.

Yeah. My kid was there. He was fine. Totally fine. I was like, ah. But kid was there. He was fine. Totally fine. I was like, ah, the movie itself is so peculiar because the beginning it's set in space. And it's like these people being woken up in cryo sleep and wake up in cryo sleep.

And they have this whole very belabored thing. And the whole thrust of the movie is that they remind them who they are and where they're from and all this. And the suggestion is that earth has been destroyed by global warming all that stuff except one big problem the space stuff is not actually filmed in the aspect ratio of the sphere so you've just got this huge screen with this tiny picture like you, you can see it, but it looks terrible. Right. It looks like ass, but the actual main thing is genuinely really cool. Like, it has the most impressive

spatial audio I've ever seen. The screen is amazing. It has depth to it. Yeah. You can hear a guy shout from the front of the screen to the back of the screen. It's very cool.

It looks amazing. For the amount of money it costs, it's a bloody joke, though. Right. Right, right right yeah the uh yeah we've talked about the or just like being there from the outside with the like high def weird image like the the ads of sale for salesforce einstein are they doing ads now when we were there was the nba summer league and there was just a big basketball and it was just a big basketball and it was just this surreal experience of there being like a high definition basketball on the like hazy skyline but then it would turn into that eyeball yeah yeah or the eyeball gas i know i'm

good on that yeah but but now it's like ads it's ads yeah or just like a miscellaneous image yeah just purple for some reason. Right. Just anything. Right. I do think they should just have a big eye the whole time. Yeah. And they should be unsettling.

It should very aggressively focus on one point. Yeah. So I feel freaked out. Yeah. So like one guy who's just coming off whatever he's on is like, oh, no. God found me. And then he just splashes messages. Yeah. He's very angry oh no, God found me. God found me. He's very angry.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. And it's just, fuck, fuck, fuck. There's a TikTok where someone did that, where it's just his face going, searching for perverts or something like that. I do think that they should do that as well.

They should have a pervert watch. What's up do you think is underrated? So, let's see. Yoga. I know this is a weird one. I'm changing. I know I'm changing a bit. But yoga. I've gone into yoga recently, and I'll tell you, I've been doing it a few months. You want to know? I started

off really bad, and I think I'm worse. But it's very good. I feel good after it. Not during it. I feel very bad, but also I'm intimately aware that my body is fragile and terrible. But there's something quite fun about it. And I do it on my own. Don't want to have done a few classes with people.

I hate it. Don't want to be around people. I look and sound awful. I make these terrible noises. I smell. And that's even before I do yoga. No, just kidding. But it's, i love it and also the amount of

big strong men i know who have just been like yeah yoga's stupid it's like you know it's baby stuff it's like no this is incredibly hard yeah it's more of a challenge than anything else i'm doing for sure mobility is such a underrated aspect of being healthy. I think people don't understand is like just the ability to like turn your back in the shower without stressing your muscles. Yeah. I nearly pulled my back out trying to like wash my ass crack the other morning. And I was like, I got to fucking, I have to really get more serious about stretching. It'll save me from washing my ass crack in the shower. It's the 21st century.

I shouldn't have to do it anymore. Yeah, I want my spine to be as rigid as possible. This isn't the future. I should be able to be, I should be in a perfect L shape at all times and still able to wipe my ass. Exactly. Where is it, Sam Altman?

Why can't I do that? Come on. He owes us answers. Just like the idea of yelling at Sam Altman? Why can't I do that? Come on. He owes us answers. Just like the idea of yelling at Sam Altman about a bidet. Sorry. Yeah. What's something you think is overrated? Croissants.

I got a croissant this morning. I was looking forward to it. I've been. It's everywhere. It's all over me. I'm wearing a black shirt. It's covered in croissant. Barely got any matter to actually eat.

I was very pissed off about this. I originally told you that getting up early was my overrated thing and I still stand by that. But croissants today, I'm taking them down. I'm not going to tolerate this crap anymore. They're messy. There's not enough food in them. They're selling you a bunch of hot air. They just dissolve into a bunch

of crumbs. It's like those Costco crumbs. Those Costco peanut bars that you just bite them and they combust. You get like two bites before the whole thing is just on your shirt. God damn. Isn't that like what because I feel like the janky Costco

Kirkland Signature Croissant is the opposite. Like it has no crumbs because it's just so moist. I guess a good one is supposed to be that flaky version. I'm like, give me the mushy sponge. Give me the crap.

I need the crap. Put the crap in my hole. Put the crap in my hole. New album. New album coming out this fall. From the Peeping Tums. And the Jacker. And the Phone Jacker featuring Phone Jacker. The Phone Jacker and Peeping Tom. Put your crap in my hole. my whole new album new album from the peeping toms and the jacker peeping tom and the phone jacker featuring the phone jacker and peeping tom my home yeah yeah it is one of the hardest foods to eat on the go without just covering yourself making yourself look like a a backyard

in autumn you know you're just like covered like a backyard and all i quite love that yeah just nothing but crumbs all the way down i'm all right like i'm not the not the neatest person in the world so it's that makes two of croissants do french people eat it with their hands it's not a fork and knife job right a croissant are we like completely fucking up i think you're meant to slice it and put butter on it versus how I do it, which is just kind of like put it in my mouth, bite, and then it explodes everywhere.

Right. That's why you got to take it down with one bite. That solves your problem right there. They say customarily you eat it with a napkin, but you eat it with your hands rather than utensils. Okay.

A napkin or whatever. Well, I tried that. Yeah. I tried that. Maybe like tear off a little piece at a time with your fingies. They dip it maybe into coffee. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. I don't know. All I felt was disappointment though. Yeah. Crumb cake is less crummy than fucking croissants. If I can eat the crumbs, great, but it's all the flakes. They're horrible. Yeah, yeah.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. And we're back. We're back. And so to recap, Google search used to be good. It was good. And I remember a time that was like the tech breakthrough that

everyone was like, fucking believe this shit? It's like magic. I feel like it was a slow burn. But then it just was so ubiquitous at some point that it was just like, people just assumed it would always work. Yeah. There was like a time in the late 90s, early aughts where people were like that it was just like people just assumed it would always work yeah right yeah there was like a time in the late 90s early aughts where people were like it's it was cool people were like here let me google that right or it was like a verb no anymore or you like you knew how to

use it too it's like you got to use quotation marks or got to use plus signs between the words google foo that's why i use AltaVista, actually. Oh, God, I haven't heard someone say Google Foo in some time. Yeah. That's a certain kind of guy. Right. But, I mean, like, yeah, Ed, when the last time you were talking,

we were talking about the rot economy, and I know we've made mention of just how Google's become just worse and worse. And in your recent episode about how Google just became an absolute, just unusable, basically ad service, just because as some of the words I understood, and I was right there with you. Other times, conceptually, I knew where you're going, but I couldn't quite put it all together intellectually. So could you, would you mind explaining just sort of this shift from this

like code yellow change that occurred or this code yellow moment into this basically glorified ad server we have now but please explain it as if i am an ignorant person that was distracted by a toddler while they were listening no problem so the episode i wrote and the accompanying newsletter was about in 2000. And I'm now going to pull it up so I have the dates. I think 18 or 19. Correct, because the dates are important. Yes. So in 2019, there was a bloke called Ben Gomes, who is the head of Google Search.

Ben Gomes had been at Google since 1999. So basically the beginning, he worked directly with Sergey and Larry. He is, and there are tons of articles about him where everything he talks about, he's talking like a Renaissance painter. He's like, I believe the connectivity between data, like he's so romantic about it. So on February 5th, 2019, he gets through a connection of events, something called a code yellow, which is an internal Google thing that says there is a problem that's significant. There are higher codes, but they're extremely rare. Code yellow itself is

actually pretty rare. So what happened was this code yellow was the revenue and ad side of Google saying, Google search, you are not making us enough money. You need to make us more money. And also, and this is very important, the amount of queries going into Google is not growing enough. so, and this is very important, the amount of queries going into Google is not growing enough. Now, a little side note for you. Queries, in this case, is referring to the amount of times that people search. Now, if you think about it for just a second, is that necessarily connected to how good Google is? Not necessarily. In fact, if there are less queries, maybe Google's better. Yeah, maybe they found what they were looking for.

Right. Yes. Which does not work for Google. Right. So, Google is then in this little futz of the code yellow. And between Ben Gomes

and some other guys, there's a conversation where he says, hey guys, I feel like Google is getting too close to the money. Google seems to only care about growth. And after about a month, they resolve the code yellow. And there's a big email I feel like Google is getting too close to the money. Google seems to only care about growth. And after about a month, they resolved the code yellow.

And there's a big email thread. And there's a ton of emails that I'm just leaving out, but I'm summarizing as quick as possible. There's also on the sidelines, this guy called Jerry Dishler, who was one of these noxious VP types, who was kind of like, yeah, guys, we need to make more queries and we need to make more money. So could you just do that? Right.

So the code yellow comes to an end. And it turns out the guy behind it is a guy called Prabhagar Raghavan, who was then the head of advertising at Google, head of ads on Google. And Ben Gomes sends out a thing to a bunch of people who are all congratulating each other, saying, we got through this. Great job, everyone. Prabhagar responds saying, yeah, actually, engineering did that. You didn't do it. He didn't do anything. Wow. So these emails came out through the Department of Justice's antitrust hearing. And I realize this is a lot of history. In 2020, Prabhagar becomes

head of Google Search. So he takes over Google Search from the idealist guy, Bengals. From the idealist who worked on Google Search. So he takes over search. He takes over Google Search from the idealist guy, Ben Gomes. From the idealist who worked on Google Search from the beginning. Right. So he came in,

he was mad at Ben Gomes. And basically pushed him out. Yeah. And also, to be clear, this queries metric is insane. Having more queries means nothing. And in fact,

these emails kind of detail that. He takes over in 2020. Now, if you really think about it google started to get really bad in like 2019 2020 and has got significantly worse constantly since 2020 to an end of 29 well mid 2019 they added this to mobile but they put it fully onto desktop as well in 2020 they maybe changed to make it harder to tell when something is an ad on Google now. Yeah. Yeah. And I definitely noticed that change. They made a bunch of changes to make Google worse. Yeah. It used to be pretty easy. There was like a background. It seemed like pretty clear that

they had a internal discussion and were like, well, we don't want the product. We don't want to be actively tricking people into... Well, it was funnier than that. They we're like, we don't want the product, we don't want to be actively tricking people into... Well, it was funnier than that. They were just like, yeah, we need to see the numbers go up, please. Make number go higher now. Line go up now, yep. But yeah, during

the 2000s, it was like there was a balance of we need this to be a product that people want to use, and we need to make money off of ads. But they've hit a point where they don't really give a shit if it's a product that people want to use, it seems like. It's that, and also within these emails,

and again, this is from the Department of justice's suit against google for monopoly so right hey what monopoly could they have right and what's really stark about it is what mr ragavan's previous job was so can you think of a what would the worst job that could be previously held by someone running google search just think about it for a second you might not get it, but just think. What is the worst company he could have worked for that isn't like, I don't know, actively? Yeah, different company.

Because one of the worst would be Google Ads. They're like in charge of driving revenue. Another company that has, within this period, been not good at their job. I'll skip to it. Mr. Raghavan ran Search at Yahoo 2005 to 2012.

In that period, they went from, I think, like a 33% market share versus Google's 36% to literally doing a deal where Bing would power Yahoo. Let me just fact check you real quick. Let me go Yahoo that.

Nope. Never been said. That's never been said by anyone. And she says he's great and has a huge dick. Right. Crazy. I don't know how.

No, but it's crazy because you read this thing and you read this story and you read the emails and I was writing it and I was like, is this someone messing with? This is ridiculous.

Right. Because the emails are so grim. There's one with this guy, this engineer called Shashi Thakur, who's like, can we tell Sundar Pichai about this and stop this? That's the CEO of Google. And his former job was McKinsey. Yeah, yeah. They're on the right side of a lot of things. I was going to say.

Bread prices. Oxycontin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's wild because you read this story and you're like, it couldn't be this obvious, could it? And the timeline is just perfect. Yeah. And I will actually say something. I'm previewing something I'm working on.

The only time I've ever seen worse than this story is in my next newsletter about Facebook. Yeah. Well, you don't have emails in this chain where someone is like, yeah, actually, it's good. The product sucks. Right. I actually like this. This is good. I've got documents where there's someone writing, yeah, here are the changes we've made at Facebook to increase engagement that made Facebook worse.

Yeah. Right. Worse for the user. And guess who? Guess what? COO of Facebook, Sheryl Sandberg, until 2022, McKinsey. Yeah, no kidding.

The people that run Facebook right now, all product managers, all growth people. This is tying it back to Google. The people in charge are management consultants, ads people, revenue people. They're not the people in charge are management consultants ads people revenue people they're not the people who build anything they are parasites yeah it's sort of like what yeah private equity does to like any other business like we don't know this business innately at all we just know how to make the line go up and if that means everything falls apart like then great

what they're gonna do we have the Right, right. What was the way that Search even was making ads before or generating revenue before the ads? Or they're just saying, we need to blend? It wasn't. But to be clear, at this point, like 2019, Search was making them tens of billions of dollars.

Sure. It wasn't like it was a fledgling business and they were like, oh, we got to grow up, everyone. This was a business printing money. It was a beloved product that everybody used, that everyone was like, how do we keep people on Google more? How do we make people use Google more versus how do we make Google good? It sucks. And it's across almost every tech platform you look at. This is because I spoke about the rot economy last time, but since then, I've done a lot of work

actually covering the actual rot because you can speak big picture and you can say right okay yeah things about thing bad people bad look at bad person but when you see in stark writing how these people act and the grimness the craven nature of the way these people work it's it's stomach churning right turning i forget which one it is and it's just it's disgraceful but also these people have names i genuinely think that just by saying proper guy ragavan sundar pashay all them uh cheryl sandberg last batch drum like all of these people have names i'm not saying do anything i'm just saying that i genuinely think that they will stop doing quite as many bad things

if we keep saying it right because properhakar, for a man who runs an $100 billion a quarter, I think, revenue property, just Google search, he is very, very quiet. No one had really heard of it. He'd been mentioned, there was a Wired article, there was a ZDNet article that called him Yahoo's search master,

which is one of the funniest things considering how bad Yahoo got afterwards. But these people, I'm not saying anything should happen. I'm just saying, talk about them. Saying their names will shame them and perhaps they won't feel much shame. But the more that these people are called out

for these specific actions, I think change can actually happen. And also, Google's in a real pickle right now like they they have buggered search up quite horribly if i'm honest yeah like i've never seen a product get destroyed this badly other than facebook yeah i mean i think like if ads are the guiding principle i guess is is it does that mean it's bad for people looking for information if part of it means they're getting the best deal on one of those indoor silent basketballs? I'm trying to find the good and the bad. That's the thing.

So advertising itself is not evil. And for a while, it wasn't perfect. Let's go to an ad in a second. I mean, I definitely can't with ads on Better Offline. I'm sorry, everyone. There's a lot of them. I don't control it. But advertising has always been a problem for search.

In the original Google paper written by Sergey Brin and Larry Page, they literally say that advertising can create the wrong incentive for Google. Yes. It's so cool. Yeah. It's the main conflict at the center of the entire business. Like this is not coming out of nowhere. This is like a long held battle where they had people in positions of power who were just, knew this was the battle they were like there's going to be ad people money people who are going to be constantly pushing us to decrease the quality of the service we provide customers so that we can you know make our ads more effective at getting them to click right Like that's basically what it comes down to.

I think what it is, is that, yeah, there was always going to be some profit incentive. I don't think that's possible to avoid, but it was a fairer trade. It felt like it wasn't so utterly craven. Yeah. But that's the thing. It's when you look at how they've acted especially in these emails and i it's where's your ad dot ad look for the man who killed google search or listen to the podcast these emails the people fighting against this are saying things out of a disaster movie

they're like i'm afraid that all we care about is growth money is the money is getting too close to search ads are getting too close to search. Ads are getting too close to search. Is there any way we can stop this? I'm not signing up to this kind of thing. This will create bad incentives. All of the warnings are there. And then some guys are like, no, cram it.

You're going to work as... And now Ben Gomes is SVP of education. You know, Google's education. Sure, we all have interfaced with google's education problem i'm on the island from the prisoner yeah right he's gone this man this man has been put in a box probably because they can't fire him and he's much more valuable in the corner than he is out there talking to people like me yeah right right because i would absolutely i would be on a plane to go and talk to him but But it's the same thing. We've talked about this with DEI and other, with environmental

policies, when companies are asked to pay attention to the environmental impact, it will be popular and it will be entertained by them for a while. For Google, it lasted almost an entire decade. But like that was the main battle that's happening within search is like, okay, we're trying to make this product better. The money people are trying to, you know, take it over. And eventually it just, they wear you down because Wall Street is ultimately the thing that the people at the very top end up getting kind of inundated with to the point that it's like, what, you know, it's their entire incentive structure.

So it just feels like, yeah, the whole thing is just management people and above conjugating the desires of Wall Street down through the people who are actually building products that customers use. And, you know, basically, that is the conflict that we're seeing happen over and over again. And the people who care about the quality of the product or care about the initiative to make their company more diverse, or the people who care about the environmental impact of their company, like that eventually always seems like it gets drummed out by Wall Street and gets treated as unrealistic and idealistic and childish by Wall Street, who ends up only caring about profitability. And what's crazy is Wall Street loves plenty of very bad companies. Tesla is a garbage company, but it's a meme stock now. It has no connection to reality.

Meta as a company has burned like $15 billion, I think, or something like that on the metaverse, which is never happening. But also they have made Facebook and Instagram borderline unusable. but also they have made Facebook and Instagram borderline unusable. And Wall Street loves them because they print money. What's insane is all these companies had to do was provide a decent service and just make them better. And they could just print money, run them like a casino. We don't want to mess with the winning formula. That's why casinos look the way they do for so long,

because they have a supply and demand thing and they work it very nicely, but they know touching that little balance can knock the whole thing off. And it's crazy. It makes me feel a little bit crazy. Like it does, because as I mentioned earlier, when I wrote The Rot Economy, I had a few public things and I looked at it and I was like, this makes sense. This is a strong theory. It's backed up by things I've read. Seeing it in action really, and I'm already kind of pissy. I'm kind of a pissy missy by default. But reading what they're doing, and some of these Facebook things I've got coming as well, I used to think that Google was the worst

of them, but Facebook is. Mark Zuckerberg's genuinely evil, as are all the people on Glite and Schultz and all these other people. There's so many people at Facebook who are just do not care. They don't care about the user. I kind of admire that there are people at Google who do. Right. And I think that only makes what Prabhakar Raghavan did more evil. Cause he's just like,

no, no, don't listen to the bloke who built this crap. No, make more money now. Make money now. Make money now. Make money for the machine so I can make the search engine worse and get more money now. And all they had to do was just kind of leave

it alone. But guess what? That doesn't create eternal growth for the street. Also, the real change was 2015 when Sundar came in. McKenzie boy and the McKenzie people, the moment they touch it, they got the brown Midas touch. It turns everything to poopy. It sucks. It sucks so bad because they didn't have to do this.

Google would probably, if they left it in a good condition and didn't really touch it for seven years, probably print like 60 70 80 million billion dollars a quarter right because it's so ubiquitous they pay apple like 10 billion dollars a year i think right to make it exclusive on iphone as well it's just insane it's really insane and i think the especially given what i've seen with the facebook stuff much of it already out there is i reckon behind the curtain there's a lot of companies like this. I wouldn't be surprised if the Boeing stuff is going to reveal a lot more like this as well. But within the tech industry,

this is what is happening. And this is what happens when you don't have the people who build stuff running software or hardware. You just get McKinsey scam artists who crap up everything forever. Right, right. Yeah. It's like the same thing that's happened with the film industry where people in the marketing, accounting departments displaced the actual creatives who were developing films.

And they're like, no, no, no, no, no. These are the movies that make the line go up. Do we know anything about movies or storytelling? No. Let me give you a good example. Microsoft. They just shut down a number of studios, including the one, I forget what their name, Tokyo-based studio that made a game called Hi-Fi Rush. Incredibly successful, first-party title, exclusive to Xbox and PC, of course. Great game. They shut down the studio and a bunch of other ones then immediately the next day and i think the verge had this one as well it was like microsoft says they need to make more games like the one that the studio they shut down made like they were like we need smaller indie games that people love right right right and it's

like you just killed the company that did you and it's so obvious and it's so obvious and also i'm not even sure it's good business. Right. I'm not sure they're actually making or saving more money. I don't know. Well, Google, yeah, they're definitely making money hand over fist. Same thing with Facebook. But these things with game studios in particular, and the same with entertainment, it's like,

you're not actually making money off of this. You're just like, I'm going to find $50 million somewhere. Can we just kill that movie we filmed? Yeah, exactly. Can we just not release it? Can we take that off tax return? The IRS should close that loophole, by the way. If I can't deduct a boat,

they shouldn't be able to deduct Wile E. Coyote and his courtroom drama. Yeah, not the other movies. But also, the other thing is, I think all these tech companies don't realize, at some point, people are not going to care anymore. They're going to stop using these products, and they're not going to come back.

Right. But the actual user churn is going to happen. So that would require them to no longer be a monopoly, right? It feels like that's the thing that the actual antitrust lawsuits need to come through and actually make it so that they don't have these enormous... I mean, that's never going to happen. Right. However, the thing that will, I think, is not what people are expecting is, oh, they won't stop using Google because they need a search engine, unless they don't. Unless people just change their habits to move away from

search engines now that search engines are bad. If they don't use Facebook anymore, you've used Facebook recently, I'm sure. It's terrible. You can't even see the people you want to see. Same with Instagram. I mean, you run an account for the Daily Zeitgeist. I'm sure you know you put it out and you're like, of the thousands of people that follow you, like 12 see it because of the algorithm. Yeah. Right. At some point, people are just going to go, I don't care.

I just won't use that. Yeah. Facebook has already had churn. They've had, over the last 10 years, a decent amount of churn. They've picked up new users, but it can go the other way. And the problem these companies have is none of the people who built any of it with Facebook being the exception, they're just a completely different animal. For the most part, the people who built these companies aren't there anymore, or they've

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The fraudulent one? Yeah. And then we covered it when it was revealed last year that it was just bullshit. Like they had used 3D mapping on a predetermined route from a house in Menlo Park to Tesla's then headquarters. Drivers intervened to take control in test runs when trying to show the Model X could park itself with no driver. A test car

crashed into a fence in tesla's parking lot in the parking lot as well yeah in their own part most controlled environment yeah so that that was like an impressive lie but then there's also these stories that keep coming out about the autopilot like leading to people's deaths and you know horrifying fatal car accidents and so you recently had an episode where you kind of went through what's been going on behind the scenes and it started with this investigation from the ntsb from and now and now it's gone over to nizza because so ntsb are the they're the national transportation safety board i think and they they're the one they're like the hard asses from the plane crash movies right yeah i think like i think the i think nits is the one that can take action i that stuff is yeah so nts like, hey, you should look into this Tesla thing

like years ago, around the time of that video. And then National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, NHTSA, started an investigation at that time and they started collecting data from Tesla, but also across the industry with like other cars

that had some sort of autopilot function. And eventually we're like okay so we found that this tesla autopilot feature is causing fatal car accidents and the problem is unique to tesla like it's actually a problem that the rest of these other companies are not having because they're being more careful with it. Yes. And yeah. So the big thing was that this NHTSA report that basically found that Tesla was, it's actually kind of a gift for personal injury lawyers. The autopilot gives people a full sense of security, but also it doesn't. Sometimes when people try and disengage the autopilot to make a move on the road, it doesn't disengage, which causes another accident.

There are multiple times where the existence of autopilot made an accident worse. Tesla has also really horribly marketed this as autopilot, autonomous, all these other things. And it really is just, and I'm quoting Ed Niedermeyer, who was also on that episode, that it's kind of like watching a teenager drive, but not being able to control it quite as well. Right. And what's remarkable about this report is it just details how unsafe this tech was. And there's two different things. report is it just details how unsafe this tech was and there's two different things there's full self-driving which is the one where you allegedly give it a location it drives and puts itself there and then there's autopilot which is the auto lane keeping thing

right in both of these cases they're both unsafe and they're unsafe in a way that tesla has made worse by the fact that i don't think they even save all the telemetry data but there was a data collection issue which i realize sounds weird but if I don't think they even save all the telemetry data, but there was a data collection issue, which I realize sounds weird, but if you don't collect good data on each crash, how do you avert another crash, especially when your car is doing things autonomously and AI requires training data?

I don't know, and neither does Elon. And it's so bizarre because any other company in the world, this report would have killed them. But because Tesla is this otherworldly shit pile where just Elon Musk has so much money to prop it up, it's kind of like,

what is it going to take here? But also any personal injury attorney will just be able to go after them. It's a terrible report for Tesla. Then, because it's both as epic as it is based, he fired most of the team behind the supercharger network, which is Tesla's network that lets you charge fast,

and they've also opened it up to other cars. It's a big thing. They fired almost everybody. Elon Musk has now claimed, oh yeah, actually, we're putting half a billion dollars into this. Like, that's actually done. It's's actually fine but for the most part there's a bunch of coverage up around the time when they announced it a week or so ago where there were people saying i can't find someone at tesla there were there was someone a youtuber watch where a guy was talking

about how a power utility could not find someone at tes Tesla to work with to install a new supercharger. All their people were gone. And it's so weird. It's just very weird because on one hand, this company could keep chugging along for a while. On the other hand, it could also fall apart in the next few years. It's not really obvious. They no longer have any real growth trajectory autopilot is incredibly incredibly unreliable right just it's not safe they may have to be illegal in a way that they

may fundamentally fuck up their entire business model exactly and ed needham i mentioned as well that autopilot is actually a fairly amazing business for tesla most cars are very low margin businesses but autopilot's entirely margin it's a tesla thing they effectively have monthly and annual recurring revenue from cars it's genuinely great it's a good business unless it gets made legal then it's not right and on top of that the cyber truck sucksruck sucks. It's a bad truck. It's a bad car. It slices people's hands. It gets stuck in like a one inch bed of sand.

It's not a good truck. So that's gone. That's not saving this company. And then he did this thing where he said, oh, we're going to do robo taxis now. That's kind of in the crap up because of the autopilot thing. So his only other thing is, oh, yeah, we're going to make the model 2 and it will be 25 000 oh good yeah a cheaper a cheaply made tesla yeah a cheaper tesla at this point is kind of insane like if he could pull it off it would be huge but at the same time the model 3 which is the cheapest car right now actually nearly bankrupted the business yeah

and on top of all of this there was a class action suit against me against the tesla board about how the board had greenlit this 56 billion dollar pay package for elon musk that got thrown out in delaware courts so they have to now reincorporate the board and add some people who are independent of Mr. Musk. Now, Mr. Musk is trying to get around this.

However, if he can't, he's in real doo doo because an independent Tesla board will probably try and fire him because he's a terrible CEO. He goes on his website. He bought, he posts a bunch of quasi racist and actually racist stuff and then he promises a bunch of stuff which pisses off everybody because he doesn't deliver it and

also he's a very annoying asshole he's not fun no one enjoys he's he's not fun to work he thinks he is tony stark he's actually the riddler and it's just very he's a very divorced riddler i think that that's the best riddle me this bad man yeah riddle me this where are my kids i miss them that was what was interesting about that account that shareholder call though that you know where the profits were down 55 percent like even worse than analysts had thought. Yeah. And I always thought it was strange when he did the things like, no, we're not even an automotive company.

If you thought that, you're fucking dumb. We're actually like a rope AI or what is it? Automation robotics company is what he said. Tesla actually was. I love that shit. Like, no one's actually going to get like, if that was actually your business and you stopped selling cars, your company would shut down immediately. Right. And that's just part of what his shell game essentially to try and be like, okay, man, we've definitely hit the wall there with the Cybertruck.

We're hitting the wall here with Autopilot. I just need to say something that gives people a certain amount of like hopium, copium to pretend that this thing isn't completely just shitting the bed, which it seems like that's what is happening. And now 54 minutes ago, Tesla's head of Cybertruck manufacturing is out. That'll fix it. God damn it. That's the best guy they had.

Oh, is it really? No. Is there a world where the ai self-driving like just this whole bubble bursts like it seems obvious that all these massive companies that when you talk to people who pay attention to the market the u.s economy uh which is you know what they describe the stock market as but like they talk about how it's being propped up by all these massive tech companies. And it feels like it's a lot of smoke and mirrors.

There was a time when people were over-investing in technology that wasn't ready yet, like the original dot-com boom and bust, like a decade before the internet was capable of doing the things that it wanted to be and that people were investing in like i'm wondering if that happens with ai or what do you think the future looks like because it it also feels like maybe people are just too like there seems to be an overall thing where wall street has recognized like they can just insulate themselves from the from reality

a little bit by just pretending and investing so you mean ai writ large right outside of tesla as well yes so right now we're in maybe month three of like a six month to nine month horizon i'm saying where ai has to start making money right it has to start making money and it needs to start making profit because or uh google put and amazon both put several billion dollars into anthropic compared to open ai microsoft gave $13 billion to OpenAI, primarily in cloud credits to make the thing work. But also, who gives a shit? What has AI actually done? And that is the overwhelming feeling I'm having.

And also, all of these magical promises have been made of AI. And then you look at what they've actually done, it's kind of a wank. It's not very good at all. So right now we're in kind of the exciting hype cycle where it's like oh i can say ai and stock go up but give them another quarter or two and things are going to start falling apart right so adobe actually got hit very bad like their stock kind

of tumbled when they said they weren't sure when a revenue was coming out of ai but the big ones look at like microsoft and google who have both put billions and billions into ai if they weren't sure when revenue was coming out of AI, but the big ones to look at like Microsoft and Google, who have both put billions and billions into AI, if they can't start, if they can't show real growth there, and even revenue, not just profit, revenue would be fine.

The street would be happy, but at some point they're going to say, the hell is going on? Like, does this do anything yet? You've got the Rabbit R1, which is this $200 box that claimed it would control your apps with AI, and it turned out it just connects to very weird scripts that barely work.

All of these promises are coming to a head. All these people have said they're going to do all these things. It's going to be magical. It's going to change our lives. I think that there's going to be a market term but i think there's a societal one as well yeah because apple's talking about putting open ai in syria and that's fine whatever but do you think people are going to use that and be like wow i i love chat gpt now well they're just gonna be like oh siri works okay siri works bye what else is is i all these billions have gone into ai i can't name a single

goddamn thing that this ai boom has done for me other than give me a lot of things to cover which is very useful yeah right yeah i mean the most is i've had fun with some of the music making ai things and even then it's just fun it's it like a party trick. It's a video game at best where it's like, hey man, just try and make it do a reggae song about RFK Jr.'s brain worms. It's like it kind of did a shitty job and that's where it kind of ends. That's AI. Hey, we got a really expensive machine to do a shitty job. I'll do that for way cheaper. You want to watch someone half-ass something? I'm the Michael Jordan of half-assing.

There you go. Right, exactly. And it's like now I see Sam Altman is talking about raising trillions of dollars from the Middle East. What the fuck is going on? Is that him trying to say, well, no, there's something coming. There's something coming. I'm getting the petro-st states to fucking buy into this thing. Yeah. He's going to a country associated with chopping up a man and American resident. I believe that was great.

Yeah. Yeah. Jamal. Evil, evil shit. So on top of that, what he's asking therefore is he wants to create a more efficient chip so that AI will do something. Right. Because no one seems to really be filling in that part, including the media. They're doing a really bad job about this.

He's like, yeah, I need $7 trillion. And he's kind of walked it back a bit. He's like, I didn't mean exactly $7 trillion, but I need a lot of money to do this. He's like, AI's inevitable. It'll be like a smart person that knows everything and does everything. Please let me build new

chips so that I can prove it. Yeah. And you'll notice he did an announcement today for some new GPT-4 thing. And it's funny, there was a big run-up to it and everyone, there was a physical event. And it's like, okay, we've got a new chat.

It's chat GPT-4-O. The O stands for Omni, which offers greater responsiveness to voice prompts as well as better vision capabilities. Yeah. Okay, just to be clear, computer vision, a computer being able to see something and say,

that is a strawberry or whatever. You find it in farming gear, for example. Been around for a decade, happened before. There's been AI that can understand voice. Generative AI is slightly it's a bit faster on things like translation and voice stuff. But even then, okay?

Now what? Now what? Do something. Do something with it. Do something. Do something. One thing. The most I feel like that they can do is be like, we're terrible for the climate. You guys like that? If data centers are everywhere and we're like yeah I don't see where's the fucking benefit

do you like this must be profitable then and like to your point too no one wants to fucking pay for it like I would never pay for some like stupid goofy songwriting AI like it's free so I'm like yeah whatever this is fine for five minutes but to the point where like all right now

do you want to get a subscription? Like, hell no, I don't need a fucking subscription to this shit. But also the other thing with the AI boom that no one seems to want to talk about is not only is it making no money, it's also costing a lot. Yeah. Right.

And everyone's putting it into stuff for some reason. OpenAI makes a billion or more in revenue and everyone kind of reported that being like, yeah, look, huh? And then no one seems to have asked the question of any profit? Because if they make a billion dollars in revenue and they don't make a profit, that is a problem, not a solution. And it's, I feel crazy. I feel crazy, man. Yeah, it's a crazy world. Well, thank you for taking us into it. Of course.

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You may ask us three questions. Amazing. That's very good robert jones at stanton underscore jones make up your mind tweeted one of the great things about being a dad is how easy it is to launder my own desire for ice cream through my children and that is facts uh you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website DailyZeitgeist.com where we post our

episodes and our footnotes. We link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do you think people might enjoy? This is a new band I stumbled upon called karma sheen and they are from london and it's a as they describe it a mash-up of hindustani

classical fuzzy 60s rock a la jimmy hendrix and sufi inspired lyricism and yeah it's it it feels like this it's exactly that i gotta say that that's a very good description of their music. And it feels like old school, but very new at the same time. And I just think it's really dope. So this track is called Without You. And it's by Karma Sheen. S-H-E-E-N. All right.

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