The Daily Zeitgeist - GOP Goes Full Stone Age, Chevy Chase = TOO Funny?? 09.27.23

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

In episode 1554, Jack and Miles are joined by writer, producer, advice columnist, and author of Why Didn't You Tell Me?, Carmen Rita Wong, to discuss… GOP Making Their Platform More Appealing By The Hour…, Biden Will Make History By Joining UAW Picket Line, Chevy Chase Is Trending For Being An A**hole and more! GOP Making Their Platform More Appealing By The Hour… Biden Will Make History By Joining UAW Picket Line Biden visits UAW picket line in Michigan as strike continues Why Biden’s strike magic faltered Chevy Chase Is Trending For Being An A**hole Donald Glover claims Chevy Chase called him the ‘N-word’ on set Community: Why Was Chevy Chase Fired from the Series? LISTEN: Rotten by Kenny BeatsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and it is wednesday september 27th 2023 you know what that is seven is delivered divisible by nine and three so nine 27 three there's just a lot going on from a neurological perspective wow i'm just which makes sense because today is national corn beef hash day one of my favorite dirty diner breakfast foods uh also national chocolate milk day

world dense breast day national scarf day i'm sorry world prussia can day did you say world dense breast yeah yeah having dense breasts like dense breast tissue okay yeah yeah yeah hell yeah you know it's wild i'm pretty sure last year when it was this time we had a guest who was like oh yeah yeah like well put me on to that i was like oh yeah okay i know i heard i didn't know that oh and this year too because i think last time it was uh i forget who but anyway it's i remember this this holiday coming around because i was put on to science with this day. The science. Yes.

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Hot leaf flavored water Okay, shout out to Rayzak on the Discord Because, yeah, I said, wait, Alicia Keys is making something called Alicia Teas? Come on, we could, you're more creative than that But, hey hey here we are so shout out to you for that wonderful girl on fire inspired aka it's either very dumb or very smart it's it's the two i'm gonna go full quint on this it's very she's gone under the boat very dumb or very smart i i kind of love it, actually. I could see this Alicia Tease sweeping the nation.

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Her memoir, Why Didn't You Tell Me, was called Propulsive and Explosive by Publishers Weekly. She was called a master storyteller by something called the New York Times, I believe it is. Please welcome the brilliant, the talented, Carmen Rita White! Guys, I've been holding in laughs for the past five minutes. What's up? Hey, guys. Oh, my God. It's so good to join you.

Always. Always. Always. These topics, man. Yeah. These topics, man. Got a lot on our plate. Got a lot on our plate. Got a lot on our plate.

Happy National Dense Breast Day. Yeah. As someone who's celebrating today. Okay. Thank you. Exactly. Make sure you take care of those ta-tas. Yeah. And get those dense ones checked out. Yes. Because they can hide cancers on a mammogram. Yes, they can. Ah.

Okay. That's why it's not just like it's not just some like shout out to dense breast it's more like a way right i'm fresh it is go get those health awareness yes it is exactly amazing how are you doing carmen where are you coming to us from i'm good coming to you from nyc how is nyc cold and rainy but fabulous We like it like this sometimes. Is it fully fall already? Ah, no. Though I got to tell you, the second it dropped a couple weeks ago, it dropped to like 65. Oh.

And some people went from shorts and tank tops to I saw grown men in three layers. That's me. Like including a vest. Yep. And coats. You mean dressed for the weather? You saw grown men dressed for the. That's me. Like, including a vest. Yep. And coats. You mean dressed for the weather? You saw a grown man dressed for the weather? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Well, 65. Dressed appropriately? What are you getting? I go out in a sweater. Like, 65 is like, that's your living room. They had their fits that were burning a hole in their closet. They were ready. Oh, my goodness.

Yeah, you know, he did look pretty fly. But I was like, my man, just chill out. October, okay? Hold it. I know you know, he did look pretty fly, but I was like, my man, just chill out. October, okay? Hold it. I know you're excited. It's 69 degrees. You don't need a full-on knit hat right now. Yeah, yeah.

But you do. You need a full-on knit hat in Los Angeles when it's 100 degrees out. Yeah. I feel like that's gone away, though. I feel like the knit hat, for whatever reason, is no longer a thing I see. Like the slouchy oh because everyone's wearing the super micro beanie are they even maybe i'm just not going maybe it's gone away because i've gone away from society and i just like don't go outside anymore now it just depends

on how you wear it but you gotta wait till i you know i'll wait till it's like 70 because you know i don't have much on my head so you know right person yeah yeah you are you're pulling off a very nice short uh this is long for me that's long for you as miles knows yeah yeah it looks very close i like it a little uh you know mad max yeah furiosa furiosa give me do you sit down and say, give me the Furiosa? Oh. She knows. My girl knows. Just Furiosa. Sit down and say, give me the Carmen Rita Wong.

My cut predated Furiosa. Yeah, there you go. So Furiosa sat down and said, give me the Carmen Rita Wong. Charlize there and said. Charlize got with it. Give me the CR dub is what she called it. Give me the dub. Give me the cr dub real quick

charlie's it's easy peasy yeah that's right all right well we are going to get to know you a little bit better all right first we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things that we're talking about today uh the republicans are they really i i think you're right, Miles, you wrote in your summary of this story that it seems like they don't realize that women can vote. Because some of these policies, they are just doubling down, tripling down on some of the most horrifying policies when it comes to the rights that women have in our civilization yeah generally right want to pull those back yeah so we're going to talk about one that regards no-fault divorce which yeah they they they're not fans on the right it's a bum rap for the man for the male they lose that's exactly we're going to talk about biden making history by joining the uaw picket line whether it's all you know gesture

or whether there's something here i feel good about this you know like i say let's take a win for the left here even if he's not he's not taking a side officially it it does feel like the fact that he feels the need to do this proves that like all of the labor energy all of the union work that is being put in is having an effect you know and so i might even talk about why chevy chase is trending and it is because he's an asshole all of that plenty more but first carmen we do like to ask our guests yeah what is something from your search history well i was i was gonna say your first topic is a good one, but we'll go back to the no fault divorce. But I'm going to tell you, you know what? And this is not even a plug or anything, but Kerry Washington's new memoir, she's just doing interviews and just came out. And here's

the thing I had to Google it. I'm reading everything about it. I haven't gotten the book yet. But she also, like me, found out that her biological father was not who she grew up with. Oh. Oh, wow. And that was kept from her her whole life until she got booked on, you know, Henry Louis Gates Jr., Skip Jr.'s show on PBS. Oh, for real? Yeah. And then I'm not telling you anything that's not out there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then they contacted her and she was all excited. And her parents were excited until they said, well, you need to do a DNA test. Ooh. And then her parents were like, oh, excuse me, Carrie. Can we please talk to you? Will you take a second? Yeah. We have something to tell you.

That is the premise of the show. So, yeah. Yeah. So, and it's funny because she i mean this also happened to me as well which is what i write about but what she describes really really well which i so appreciate because it's not necessarily something people would think about is she like me grew up our whole lives knowing something was wrong something was off right almost like feeling like something was

wrong with our bodies like we didn't things didn't match up and that and it was really uncomfortable it's very like a subconscious thing and it's lots of anxiety and perfectionism all this sort of stuff just happens and you don't even know why right and then this all this stuff comes out and you're like oh my parents have been keeping the truth for me my whole life and you imagine living with them and then they know and every time they look at you so yeah all to say people please talk to your children tell them the truth please tell them the truth right um but that was my last that was my last google search yeah are you like how radical is the radical honesty with the kids are you like a no santa claus thing or are you like how how far are we going are we saying like straight

up look santa claus is a thing your friends believe in because their parents are liars right first of all my child figured it out before i even had to say she's like she's that kind of kid she's like she's my kid she was like so i know who you are i know you are santa so you can stop it but please keep writing it on my presence because it's cute right but i think that you know like she she mentions as well carrie is like when the secret is another human being right you gotta talk right like you're creating basically i say to people it's like look and i get asked this a lot when i give talks it's like well well what is it is it entitlement like what is it that makes you feeling it look a secret

is yours as long as it's yours but when you create another human being, that is no longer yours. That is actually a person. So it's no longer a secret. It's a human. And we can say as parents like, well, you're my kid. Listen, kids do not. Please, everyone get this through your head. Kids do not belong to you. They are not belongings. They are people. So you must treat them as such. And they're separate humans and you need to treat them as such. And they're separate humans and you need to treat them that way. And part of that is being very honest about how they came about and what's going on in your life. But I will tell you a funny thing is I don't, my daughter and I, we talk a lot, but one of my nieces said something about my first husband. I can't remember how old my daughter was,

but she was like maybe 10. And she was like, you've been married before? Like, she was like, you haven't kept this from me? And it was like, I was like, girl, I just didn't think about telling you. Like it was a long time ago. And it's, so that's not a secret. It was just, I just didn't think about it,

but it was, it was hilarious. Right, right, right. If, I think if like, to your point, like if a secret alters someone's total understanding of themselves and the world they live in it's like no no no then that's not a secret that's a potential like psychic bomb that you have to diffuse as quickly as possible yeah tremendous bomb and it affects your whole like it literally affected me from the time i was a kid like i remember remember it. It's definitely there. And you can't subconsciously carrying a secret like that and then living with your secret.

Right. Like what does that do to you and your relationship with that person? And my thing is like, look, you keep secrets and lies from people that you love. That creates such a big distance. That person can't be your real friend or your real love or your real whatever. It's just a huge distance that separates you from people you love. Kabosh it. Don't do it. Come clean.

Have the courage to come clean. What is something you think is overrated? I'm not one of those. Don't be mad at me, guys. I'm not one of those overrated, underrated people because I like everybody. I don't be mad at me guys i'm not one of those overrated underrated people because i like everybody like i don't like to yuck anybody's young i like all this but i will tell you this you know what's overrated the idea that everybody has the right to say whatever they want and not get any repercussions and i'm mostly talking about we're not talking about the big

names we're talking about like twitter or instagram you know when you post stuff right and it's like well this is amazing to do with me and people actually say stuff like that and it's just insane like well then don't listen don't watch don't read don't you know whatever yeah oh you're saying like when people take a post and make it about themselves they're like but i'm not a woman who had an identity crisis based on like a family secret so why that's excluding me why are you talking about yeah it's just so but it's just so but or even you have an opinion on something like you're talking about your topics today right and it's just they're like yeah well but it's that idea it's so overrated frankly to always constantly have a voice i tell like I keep bringing up my kid,

but I keep telling her, like, sometimes the best thing to do is to be quiet and to listen before you say something. So people, that's very overrated to constantly react and talk all the time. And you also have the right to say, actually, let me

think about that. I don't know where I stand on that. If people are pushing you, yeah. Let me think. Tell me more. Because I am a terminally slow thinker, and I have all this anxiety around being in a conversation and not knowing what to say.

And one of the things that you can do, just be like, hmm, yeah, I'm not sure. Let me think on that and get back to you. And the first time I was able to do that, I was like, oh, my God. That 20s and the HR person, I really wanted this job. And she asked me something and I don't know what got into me. And I just looked right at her and I said, I do not know. I do not know. And she told me later, she was like, you got the job. Because you didn't bullshit me.

There you go. It's sometimes people are so bad at bullshitting. Like the second they start bullshitting, like, come on, just say you didn't fucking know. bad at bullshitting like the second they start bullshitting like come on just say you didn't fucking know like sometimes it is so repulsive to hear that you're like it i'm sure that recruiter's point of the person i was hiring was like thank god this person was just a person who said you know i don't know because i'm not about to be like well that is very that's uh that as a as a concept i will um i believe that is very interesting and And the question. Right, right, right. What is a question, really, but a statement with leaving me room to fill it in with.

Exactly. I also think looking them in the eye and saying, I do not know, as opposed to looking to the side and saying, I don't know. Which is probably what I would have done in my early 20s. Probably helped. So you got nothing underrated? Well, underrated. Well, we were just talking about it. Like, it's underrated to just admit that you don't know.

And just because let me tell you, the biggest sign of cojones and ovaries is like telling me you don't know. Or I need to read more. Or I'm not sure. Or I'm thinking about it. Or ask me questions. Like, just really being curious it's so underrated like just do the work right or you know if somebody says i'll post something they'll be like oh can you send me the link no right google yeah right right like i'm not

doing any work for you that should set something off in your brain that allows you to go on your own journey seeking information yeah super super super so i know this is like deep shit you're probably like thinking about tacos and stuff but yeah this is what i just wanted to hear your opinions on tacos this is no i'm just joking i love it yeah yeah often I, my first thought is to send the gift here. Let me Google that for you. And then my second thought is, yeah, all right,

I'll, I'll give them the answer. I'll like actually do the research for them. So I need to, I need to, if my first thought is here, let me Google that for you. My second thought should be either don't say anything and let them kind of fill in

the blanks that like that could have been something you do. Boundaries, Jack. Boundaries. What are those? That is very underrated. Boundaries. I love them. I employ them very much now in my life. I'm a previous not so good at it person. It took a lot of work, but my goodness, the rewards. My dad would do this thing where if I had a question, I had to go through three books before he would answer a question. Yeah. Ooh, that's good. So if I didn't know a word, he's like the dictionary right there. Oh, mine did the same.

Yeah, yeah. And I said, if I didn't know something historical, he's like, I had a kid's encyclopedia and like a kid's almanac to like they just had general shit in there that I would just pour over as a kid because I was just I was always very curious. And if I said, yo, it's not in here and it's not in here, it's not in here. Then he's like, all right. So the reason there are unhoused people is because of Ronald Reagan. And I'm like, oh, your encyclopedia wasn't going to tell you. And it wasn't gonna say amen pops yeah because it's capitalist trash all right i gotta go to my you know my art meeting now i was

like okay same miles yeah yeah that's great it and it kind of in it it sort of it gives you the natural desire to seek answers out without ever feeling like, well, there's a person that can tell me. And like you first rely on your own curiosity to like, you know, fulfill those needs. So shout out to that man for a very small thing, which it may have just been it may have been laziness. Like it may have been like, yo, the dictionary right there. But yeah, I was. I grew up with the same miles. Think we're in the same family.

I was so annoyed. I would be like, God damn it. I don't know the answer. Just give it to me, man. I am a tired preteen with middle school homework. Just tell me. Did you ever get through it?

Did you ever get through the encyclopedia and not find the thing you were looking for? And then your parent was like, I actually don't know. Not that I can remember. I'd be too embarrassed to tell him yeah i would just right make something up make something up right or go ask someone at school right yeah yeah yeah is it i guess you probably can't do the same thing with like all right have you checked wikipedia and have you checked dictionary.com yeah i have to go out and get the damn books i mean well yeah get the books

i but like i tell my kids and i tell young students like you gotta source your stuff man you gotta watch out for sources yeah and they teach they thankfully some schools are good enough to start teaching that because the stuff that's out there is just awful you gotta the information is just garbage there's just and the because mean, I get it's a dump. Like, we've never had more information at our fingertips. But there's also just, like, there's certain steps we miss in having all that information at our fingertips. Like, I have a friend who, when they, like, he drives somewhere with their kids. Like, they say, okay, let's get the map out.

It's not just Google Maps. It's, let's get the fucking thomas guide out and what's the street okay you know how to find the street and you know the number so look in the back and find that block and then be like it's over here and then boom now it's less about like just look at it because you want to be able to be like okay now you know how to fuck with a map you know what i mean yeah thomas guy i mean the thomas guy's probably too much but like getting a map of los angeles i guess those don't exist you have to do thomas guide don't you well the thomas guide is comprehensive but obviously you could get like a you know like

a tourist fold-out paper map you know that they have a hotel lobby or some shit yeah all right i got a shopping list yeah i didn't know i was coming in to but i got the thomas guide got a shopping list. Yeah. I didn't know I was coming in, but I got the Thomas Guide, got a history encyclopedia and a dictionary. Exactly. That's what I need to buy. Exactly. There you go. Teach them. Teach them.

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So this is a new one you know yeah we've seen we've seen them come for reproductive rights we've seen them come for the school boards and books and we had seen like justin crowder steven crowder one of those names steven crowder talked about this like because he's getting a divorce and he's like mad that his wife can divorce him for being an abusive asshole. Yeah. And but I didn't I didn't know that it was actually becoming like getting adopted into the platform. Yeah. The Republican Party.

It's it's bubbling up right now. If you survey the takersphere on the right, it's something that we've seen increasing by the year. It's always been this thing to claw back the things that were won in the sexual revolution. But with Repealing Roe, they're like, okay, we want to be more in the 60s. That's kind of like Roger Ailes famously said, Fox News is for people who live in 1965. And now they are trying to take divorce laws and go back to basically, I think, 1857 is about where they are going because they will not shut up about no fault divorce. Like you said, Stephen Crowder's talking about Matt Walsh talks about it. Fucking J.D. Vance talks about it all the way to the state parties of Texas and Louisiana. And they want to basically end the right to divorce or at least again, take it to the 19th century, back when husbands could divorce their

wives solely based on adultery, but women had to prove additional aggravating circumstances. Back then, it didn't matter if there was abuse of any kind or even desertion. It was considered insufficient to support a divorce. So no fault divorce laws came about in the early seventies, like in started slowly taking hold in different States. And it allowed countless women and some men, the ability to basically divorce without having to prove misconduct by a spouse. And prior to that, we had some truly fucking backwards laws. Like if you go back to like, cause a lot of this shit, truly fucking backwards laws like if you go back to like because a lot of this shit they again they want to go back to like the times of the american

colonies where like a fucking divorce was decided by a governor or a colonial court but like the burden of proof was so fucking extreme that basically nobody was like man fuck this i don't forget it like it's impossible to get fucking divorced. And there was this concept that women were bound by this law, the concept of coverture that meant, quote, by marriage, the husband and wife are one person in the law. That is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage or at least is incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband under whose wing protection and cover she performs everything also mother space thing everything like even the fucking clothes on your back no that is all part of the man that you are

basically have been absorbed by um even mothers lack basic parental rights. Like if a wife divorced or left a husband, she could not see her children again. So basically, you know, there was a lot to say, man, shit, like I'm just, I'm kind of stuck here. And then in the 20th century laws varied sort of by state, including like the number of times a man could assault his wife before a divorce was even allowed.

So essentially it just meant that a woman would be left with nothing if they decided they didn't want to stay with their spouse, no matter what was going on. And the states that adopted no-fault divorce laws in the 20th century saw all kinds of benefits. Domestic violence rates began to drop, as did murder committed by intimate partners, as well as female suicide rates,

because now you're evening the scales here. Someone's like, well, I'm not stuck. So what do you think about that? And now, you know, with all that said, we still have these goons out here saying stuff like this. Matt Walsh, quote, no fault divorce grants one person the ability to break the contract without the consent of the other. What kind of contract is that? This is what Crowder said. No fault divorce means that in many of these states, if a woman cheats on you, the consent of the other. What kind of contract is that? This is what Crowder said. No-fault divorce means that in many of these states, if a woman cheats on you, she leaves, she takes half. So it's not no fault. It's the fault of the man. And then he goes on to say, quote, if you're a woman that comes from meager means and you want to get wealthy, you've never worked,

you didn't get a degree, you have no skill set, but you're good looking. Your best path to victory is simply to marry a man, leave him and take half. This is the perspective that they're taking on. The Texas, and I'm bringing up to where we are now. In 2022, the Texas GOP's official platform called for the state legislature to quote, rescind unilateral, no fault divorce laws and support covenant marriage. And when you look at the control the party has in that state through all the branches and chambers, it seems like that's something they conceivably could pull off, especially when you consider that federal laws allow for state legislatures to easily roll back a woman's ability to initiate divorce without spousal consent or proof of abuse.

Like that's, there's nothing protecting that and again it's just even more wild when you consider the fucking nazis even allowed for no fault divorce right because they had a really fucked up thing they're like well if it's not producing aryans then yeah you gotta get that like that was sort of like their view on it but even then they were allowing for it so again this is like a huge fundamental right that people appreciate that again i think the republicans are maybe like well maybe this isn't as hot as reproductive rights and people will be like yeah that is unfair but i'm not sure considering what the ability to be able to leave your spouse does for a marriage yeah and i know

carmen you were like i got listen listen yeah you guys lucked out twice today between the dense boobies and me the twice divorced uh i was the first divorce was before no fault was passed in new york and the awful part was you know it was one of those starter marriages in your 20s i I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. The guy was a pendejo, but it was, you know. And we split. We were only together married for maybe eight months. And then he went off and knocked up a secretary.

But because of New York laws, I was living on my own and I could not divorce him. I had to file for abandonment. Wow. I had to prove that he abandoned me and it couldn't, I couldn't even file for divorce until 18 months living apart. So I'm married to this guy for a blip, right? Then I have to wait. And the whole process took over two years and I could not get married again. We had to file taxes to get, it was awful. Right. It's and ridiculous. The second time, of course, very different, but I'll tell you this. My mother, when she got married back in the day with these laws, she ended up going to the Dominican for a quickie divorce, which I don't know if you know that that's

what was done back in the day, is that if you had a dual citizenship or if you came from another country, like you could go. The Dominican was known, still is actually. There are some signs. If you go to Washington Heights, uptown to my Dominicanlandia, where you see Dominican divorces, you go to another country and you go and you get granted a divorce as long as the two of you do it. Right. But what kind of ridiculousness is this?

I mean, look, these men like to own people. Yeah. Exactly. The history is of these men literally owning people. Yeah. And they own, they want to own women. They own their children. They used to own all kinds of humans

right so this is what they do and because the more freedom that we have to make all these choices you're also talking to the former vice chair of the planned parenthood federation right okay that was devastating what's happened but you've got to understand that we until we are seen as full human beings, this is not going to fly. They do not see us as full human beings. And we do not have the rights they want. They need us to be controlled. Also, though, can I tell you, though, coming from finances, which was my previous life, is that this is fueled by economics. Absolutely fueled.

Women now earn the most degrees. They're starting to make more money in the workplace they're starting to take the jobs they want all women because even white women are their competition not in the workforce not earning their bucks not competing in their space so this is absolutely fueled by money money money money yeah that's it it's win-win for for the goblins on that side like i get to basically take away this person's personhood because they are now me and also more dollars for me out there so yeah and i can lord that over them and say what you're gonna do can't get a job you know it's only the weakest man only the weakest would want to do such things yeah for real yeah mediocrity crowder guy is such a great like example because we've seen what he like he tried to

use his marriage as a form of imprisonment like we saw that video from inside his house where he was treating his wife like a servant. Yeah. You know, that that is what he wants is for the person he married to be his prisoner who he can treat however he wants. So it's interesting that he, you know, once that person is like, fuck this, like he like leaves him that he is like the spokesperson for this is this is unacceptable. This is I'm being treated unfairly because this person has their own personhood that they want to exercise and their own autonomy. It's also baby. My baby maker have her own life. How dare.

And it's authoritarianism to the core. That's who they follow. That's who they emulate. That's how they run their lives. That's what I'm saying. Except for the Nazis in this case. They're like, well, hold on. We'll listen.

Yeah, they're like, look, man. Let's not give them any points. No, no, not at all. They're very popular. It's just funny to me that even in they're even in their very like eugenics based concept of like a union they were like well i mean people well it's either that or multiple wives what are they gonna do yeah or like mixed race couples you know or a couple where they can't have kids and like that's you will not win the cross of the third reich if you do not have three

children or more but like with steven crow, it's really interesting, too, because he's always talking about how like he's so he's always into these traditional gender roles. He's like men are pretty much like the father is actually pretty much useless, if you consider because the woman's space is to raise those children. This guy, meanwhile, he was demanding full custody of his twins, even though that was like that's his like main take as like a person. That's vengeful. That's just being vengeful. that's just being yeah oh 100 100 actually want those children no he wants to harm her yeah he's gonna get another he's gonna get another you know baby maker and then they're gonna buy

into the whole thing and which some women do right because they think that they're different they think that they'll be cared for and that somehow it benefits them. But until it doesn't. Yeah. So we'll see if if this gets a little bit more becomes a little more mainstream. But on the fringes, it's becoming it's just getting a little bit louder by the second. And we see how that typically happens with Republicans. Yeah. For it to then become the fringiest, most extremist views from. the fringiest most extremist views from yeah like talk radio like that's how donald trump you know prepared for his 2016 run by just like mainlining am radio talking points like right limbaugh shit and like the the people who call in but yeah the crowder thing is is

interesting that like his he's like if you're a woman that comes from meager means you want to get wealthy. Like it's right. The only thing that he can imagine a woman or that he wants to imagine a woman having the ability to do is like trap a man. Like that, that's all he can imagine for his partner. And so that, that's how he kind of speaks about the danger but of course like you

said carmen very very astutely like the the thing that actually scares them is the unspoken thing that women are smarter and better at their jobs than them and that no must not pass so it must not yeah he also used to write columns Super producer Victor's pointing out He also used to write columns about how He did marriage the right way Wait what? How? By not being present when your wife

Is having IVF treatments Is that how? Because that's what he did And not being there for the birth of his own kids Is that the right way? He was getting a procedure To make his chest look stronger because that's what he did and not being there for the birth of his own kids is that well he was getting a procedure to make his chest look stronger oh when his wife was giving birth i did it the right allegedly allegedly allegedly allegedly but yeah he yeah true monster do you think that they know though these guys like do you think underneath all this because this is all just

like such raging rabid insecurity do you think they all this because this is all just like such raging rabid insecurity. Do you think they like know that they're just really, really lame? And that's why they have to just control, you know, other genders like like it's just so blatantly like, dude, you're so dumb. Yeah. Like just so dumb. Like, I think it's like a truth they don't want to acknowledge. So they just want to have, like, the laws reflect the reality that they want. Because rather than being like, yo, man, I'm actually a really, I'm a small human being who, I'm tiny.

They're like, nah, man, it's these laws. Like, it's just that they maybe see it for a second. And then they go to, no, it's these laws, man. It ain't me. It's not me. Look at all this stuff I have. It's women's rights and diversity. And some people are fully grifting, but I think for the most part, it is just projection.

Yeah, I think people are generally smarter than we give them credit for in large overall, but also better at self-deception than we give them credit for. And so I think he's able to keep that nice and buried just very yeah very cozy in there nice and cozy all right let's take a quick break and we'll be back to talk about biden and labor and other fun stuff We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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labor is popular right now like people are the workers have support workers are exercising power and they are showing that when workers can come together and exercise power they get things done that are good that is good for everybody except the wealthy and so it it's a moment where it's just sitting there but neither party seems to want to do anything about it because there is the secret it like if you're just reading the mainstream media accounts of it it seems it's like wait this is confusing like that they say they're behind this but they're like not doing anything to be behind it why why is that and it's because they ultimately in a lot of cases answer to the corporations that these folks are striking against. And that's where a lot of the money comes from. That's a lot of that's who exercises a lot of power and in politics.

Right. So it is, I think, a big step forward that the sitting U.S. president is doing something unprecedented. Trump is expected to show up in Michigan on Wednesday. We're not sure what he's going to say, aka riff, or what his Trump jazz performance is going to contain. But there is a chance, I feel like they are playing chess around or checkers around this idea of like,

labor is really popular right now and somebody is going to seize on that and we have a big election coming up right so unprecedented announcement historians have pointed out presidents have typically seen themselves more as mediators and avoided direct participation in strikes unless it is sending a machine gun train to uh shoot at striking workers in west virginia but you know on the other hand biden is trying to throw support behind the union while not specifically supporting any of their demands the fuck is that then baby steps baby steps it's just gestures here right and i'm here aren't i yeah i support this hey come on i'm here right come on uh sean fain the uaw president seems to be playing his hand

really well he's like we're not gonna endorse anyone without like significant support from that politician right you know our endorsement doesn't come for free. I have big D Democrat friends who are like, this is more evidence. Biden is the most pro-union president in a long time, which is not saying much because it's been an extremely hostile string of presidencies for unions. But I do think the one thing I will say that like is encouraging about the story is it's really evidence that unions and organized labor are the most ascendant force in politics right now. Like you cannot ignore that there are more people unionizing. There's more support for unions. We are seeing high profile wins for unions, for labor action. And, you know, I don't think Biden would be doing this if Trump didn't have

a speech scheduled in Detroit. But, you know, I don't think Trump would have a speech scheduled in Detroit if it weren't for the fact that like there is a lot of energy right now and a lot of public support for labor. And it's really just a matter of like who is going to have the courage to actually support them and, you know, actually actually support them and not just, you know, do a photo op with them. But I don't think it's because Biden's uniquely leftist. I think this is because leftism is winning approval and winning support because people, like I said, I don't think people are dumb. I think people have been living in this these circumstances for long enough to be like, it doesn't seem like this current neolib order of like, let the corporations handle it let the market handle it is working like so let let's try something else out yeah and i think it's very popular and i think they're

slowly coming around to that i just hope that they're able to come around to it in a way that involves actual legislation and actual political power instead of just photo ops which is all that it has been up to this point yeah i don't think the the words from the white house aren't very encouraging in that sense because biden was like i want this to be a win-win negotiation i'm like what fucking corporate, they don't need to fuck it. They've been winning. What the fuck are you talking about? It's been win-lose forever.

And now it could just be win and make less billions of dollars for the other side. I don't think that you would categorize that as a loss. But I do want to play this clip of Kareem Jean-Pierre, who, you know, was asked pretty directly, like, what's the deal here? He's going there, but is he taking sides? Can you clear this up? What is happening? Some past presidents have been an arbiter between two sides that are in conflict. It seems like by going to the picket line, he's not an arbiter between the two sides.

He's choosing a side by standing. We have said we have said over and over again that this is a president that stands with union workers. That's why it's confusing where you're saying... I think it only means he literally stands with union workers. During photo ops. Outside of that, I mean,

hold on. I'll let her continue. We're not going to talk about the terms of... I disagree. It is not confusing. What he is saying, and we've been very clear, he stands with union workers. He stands with the workers. He has said, and they have said, he is the most pro-union president in history. And that is what he's doing. He is going to stand in solidarity at the picket line with the workers.

Now, they are at the table. They are at the table trying to figure out what this agreement is going to look like. Right. They are going to decide the specifics of that agreement. What the president is saying is and he always says this is nothing new. He always says he stands by union workers and he is going to stand with the men and the women of UAW. But, you know, in terms of their demands, I no comment on what they want. Yeah, but I will stand here with them. And I think that's really like to your point, Jack.

It's like whoever just fucking crosses the threshold into full throated support for workers rights and like better pay and shit like that. It's going to fucking go over pretty well with most people. with most people because again like you said a lot of people are tapped into how rampant the inequality is in this country yeah and how much ceos are just hoarding wealth and keeping that wealth away from families from children from everybody so it's just like come the fuck on like it'd be so easy but again the the way the system is set up it's not always easy for a president to be like yeah i'm all about worker rights and then you know the big donors come in like well hold on man what the fuck was that we don't like that can i pop in with a little tidbit that this is useful because unlike the other strikes right like the hollywood strikes this with the auto industry don't forget that we taxpayers bailed

them out and i think many of us remember that when they were going to go under the government bailed out the auto workers and the trouble is is that now if their profits and their ceos are making 41 percent more and everyone out you know everything no one's sharing in any of that i think it's even more clear and let's remember like optics are sometimes everything like i don't think a lot of people will remember necessarily what people say a lot of these publishers say but they will remember seeing what they see they see him there they see him supporting but to your point both of you let me tell you labor right now you know look at what's happening with with settling the actors and writers and all that now we've got video games we've got hotels we've got airlines we've got it it is that time and it's

about freaking time because you got it you got a geezer gen xer here with you who can tell you that i bought my first home when a dual income the home was only twice as much as the dual income right right and that same place now if if we were to buy it at the same income level completely out of reach absolutely stratospheric and that's never been the way in this country ever so this is a whole new space we're in and something's got to give. Private equity, baby. Oh, monstrous. A recurring theme. Yeah, they're just buying all the houses. Monstrous.

Hey, you can rent them from us, though. Yeah. So I don't understand. Like, your homeownership can kind of be like a gig economy type deal. And we think that's pretty cool. Surfdom. Yeah. economy yeah type deal and we think that's pretty cool what if we carved up this six bedroom place into a place where 40 people could live for an even smaller amount yeah does that does that seem

something y'all are into think about it think about it i will say like biden has argued that the auto companies have not yet gone far enough to satisfy the union like which is that's a big thing that's very basic that's like being like and i see that you are standing far apart from one another and but but to like that is kind of picking sides that does feel for sure big i so this is what it would take though like it would take a politician i think trump could do it and just like be full pro backlash across the mainstream media. The question of like, well, he's picking sides and this is socialism. And I think it would require a president to have the courage of their convictions to be like, yes, that's going to be very unpopular with the people who I spend all of my time talking to the media and business leaders and,

you know, industry leaders, like it's going to be, they are going to act like I have just torn up the constitution and taking, taking a shit on it, but it's going to be popular with the humans who actually vote in elections yeah and like that it feels i don't know it feels like there's we're going to be keep moving in the direction where like that wager is going to need to happen for for a politician i just don't i don't know who's who like what the circumstances are going to be for them to finally like kind of make come to that realization you know yeah because they're their democratic strategists are not going to tell them that yeah they're gonna yeah i mean it's funny like i wish joe biden could be like look i don't like i helped i helped y'all out i was there when we

there man we american people were there i was there. Were we there, man? We American people were there. I was there, man. Now just come on now. Fuck, fuck. Work with them a little bit. But no, it's not going to be like that. And again, yeah, it is true how quickly a lot of the mainstream coverage memory holes, how how much taxpayers gave to prop up these companies. And again, like to your point, Carmen, they're like, yeah, CEO pay went up 40%, 41%. They're asking for a 40% raise and a 32 hour work week. But you know, it's just, it's just a little bit, it's just a bridge too far. And I feel like

you'd see some coverage that would be a little bit more like emphasizing how much it would improve the lives. Like it's always just like, this is what they want. This is what they want. But add a little realism. Yeah. Take the coverage with so much salt because right now we're operating, you know, I was in journalism for 20 years. We are operating in a space that is so corrupted and,

and so much in trouble. I mean, think about it. The both sides ism. It's not both sides. The both sides should be about what's moral and what's not. And instead, it's what's right and what's left. And the problem is you cannot weigh these two things on the same scale at all.

But the media is doing this because don't forget, who owns it now? Who runs it? Who profits from it? So we are at a really horrid time. Who profits from it? So we are at a really horrid time. And my best advice to people is if you really want to see some unbiased stuff, read media from outside of this country. Yeah.

We're talking BBC. If you read in Espanol, any Mexican paper, you know, anything outside of this country will tell you what's going on here more than our own stuff. For sure. more than our own stuff for sure just just for context the other side of this upcoming election is like talking about assassinating generals yeah yeah what kind of horse my mother fled this fled this in her country like give me a break all right let's let's do a quick one on Chevy Chase trending because he went on WTF and made it very clear to everyone why Steve Martin and Martin Short were like three amigos reunion. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe we bring in Selena Gomez instead of Chevy Chase because. Wait, was that was that original?

Like, was that kind of a thing that was funny? I don't know. It's two of the three amigos. and selena gomez selena gomez i think undoubtedly the better one yeah oh no they made they made the right decision for sure on that yeah but anyways he claimed that he left community because the show wasn't funny enough for me says a guy who like i'm pretty sure like i haven't seen him do or say anything funny in since i was like seven i would say since before i was born yeah it's it's been a long i mean funny farm i i probably have to re-watch it but when i was a child that movie was funny to me national lampoon's christmas vacation i i again i have to re-watch

it but funny i don't know i to be honest i don't i need some more time with this yeah yeah but since then it's been a pretty sleep steep slide for my man speaking of the scene in national lampoons it's it's it's rich that he's doing like a Trump thing when we know why he was fucking ousted from the show. I mean, like, it actually just wasn't funny enough for me. It's like, okay, Donald Trump. They didn't get my sense of humor. He's not well-liked. Yeah.

The actual reason he left was because he said the N-word while going on a rant about his displeasure with the show's writing. And the network was like a and he was like should i leave and they were like yeah and he was like okay yeah we both think i should leave i guess and that's how it ended did not did not end because he didn't think they were funny or had like some high-minded ideas about the direction of the show or if he did the way he expressed those was through racial slurs oh yeah yeah the hallmark of any great uh comedic

mind i guess yes it's wild though yeah like it's just it was there wasn't a single story that came out like around this time that made chevy chase look good i remember like the second time i was like oh this guy's a piece of shit, huh? Okay. Okay. Good fucking riddance. And it felt like for a while,

like that show almost was bringing him back. Like, you know, where it's like, Oh, you get this like goofy old man stick back from Chevy chase. The thing that he, like the one thing he kind of does well.

And then turns out he just got to get angry and using, like he's another racial slur in another rant although it wasn't specific uh enough or at least in the reporting we didn't know which one it was but we do know it wasn't used to address someone in the cast which is like oh so that's better and he also didn't he say also too it was just that like or some of the assumption was with that interview that basically they weren't you know bowing to him and worshiping him. Right. Like comedic, you know, whatever.

The man is not well liked since his SNL days. Like people did not like him as a human being. Yeah. He's known as a jerk. So, like, dude. Yeah. Bill Murray called him a medium talent. And it was so true that chevy chase like physically

attacked him he was like i that that is absolutely devastating yes as they say the angrier you get the more defensive you get the more true the statement yeah the more the the specificity of calling him the medium talent like not, no talent, but just like, hey, I'm going to be honest with you, man. You are a C-. Yo. Mediocre. Maybe a C.

I saw you in the dress rehearsal, man. That shit's mid, bro. Totally. And when you go back and watch those early episodes, guess whose shit doesn't hold up? Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Well, Carmen, truly a pleasure. Yeah.

By the way, the funniest thing he's done was in community where he was saying lines that he fought against the entire way. Like, every single fiber of his being.

Well, better delivery, right? Best delivery. Yeah. Now, you guys are great, man. This is such a pleasure having you. Where can people find you, follow you, read you, hear you, see you? Yes, yes, yes.

Go to my Instagram, same as the website. Get the book there, get the paperback, get it in Espanol. It's got pictures. Get it and do all those things. Just let me know. Next book coming in a year and a half. So stay tuned.

Oh, shit. Okay. There you go. Well, we'll make sure we have you back before that. I don't want to. We don't need to wait that long. Thank you, Miles. To have another CR dub appearance on here.

Thank you. Thank you, guys. Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? A work of media? Oh, my gosh. I love The Changeling. Have you seen that? Oh, the new version?

Yeah. Yeah. No, I haven't seen it, but I know that it's out. You know, I've been rocking horror lately. So, like, this is weird because I left horror a long time ago. I was that kid that loved, like, Nightmare on Elm Street, all that gory wave. And then I was just like, no, no, no, I'm too scared. Life is too crazy, blah, blah, blah.

And now that we've come through stuff, now all of a sudden, all I want to see is horror. Like, I watched Talk to Me the other night. I scared the shit out of myself. I did not. Did you see that? No. Horror right now is fabulous. To all people who have been, like, worried about watching horror, we are living in the prime state of horror media.

Go and enjoy it. Just know that I'm not responsible for your lack of sleep and palpitations. Miles, where can people find you? Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Yeah, find me on Twitter, formerly known as X, and Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Wherever you do that, or,

you know, any app based app. And also find us on the basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got Matt boosties, the 90 day fiance podcast. I got four 20 day fiance and the good thief. Check that out. It's a true crime thing.

It's only eight episodes. Binge that we're talking about the real Greek Robin hood. Who was escaped from the like Alcatraz, Greek Alcatraz equivalent twice by helicopter. That's how out here this guy was. And to this day, still, the show's all about looking for him and seeing where he's at. A tweet I like is from at Eric Enigma. And it's a quote tweet. The first tweet is from another person said, Shorty called me a narcissist.

So I Googled the definition and it sounded like a real one to me. And then they said, all right, this might be more. All right. This might be boy math. LOL. Boy math. Tweets I've been enjoying. Noah Garfinkel tweeted famous comedian eating a sandwich.

You can't eat a sandwich anymore. And Rosie at Roar Amden tweeted, low-key, seize him and unhand me. We're huge for the English language. And it's just a reminder that I need to

incorporate those two phrases more in my day-to-day usage of the English language. Unhand me, sir. Seize him. Yeah. Unhand me, sir. Unhand me, you brute. Forthwith.

Yeah. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yeah, yeah. There was a Kenny Beats album that came out last year. There's a track on there called Rotten

And it's just like a nice You know, just get the New York vibes In here with Carmen Just, you know, feels like old school golden age Sort of New York boom bap instrumental It's called Rotten By Kenny Beats So check that out, it's on Spotify, innit

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