The Daily Zeitgeist - GOP POC, Purpose Over Politics 6.11.20

Episode Date: June 11, 2020

In episode 649, Jack and Miles are joined by There Are No Girls On The Internet podcast host Bridget Todd to discuss how white supremacists MAY try and do something about white supremacy, what white supremacy means, and more!FOOTNOTES: White House says Trump may issue executive order on police reform Reckoning with white supremacy: Five fundamentals for white folks Donation Resources WATCH: H.E.R. - 2 (Audio) Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, the internet, and welcome to season 137, episode 4 of Dirt Daily's iGeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers, fuck Fox News, fuck Rush Limbaugh, and fuck

Buck Sexton, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, fuck all those guys. It's Thursday, June 11th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. A.K. Thursday, June 11th, 2020. My name is Jack O'Brien, a.k.a. A-Cab Soppy. And I am thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! Whoop! Whoop!

Let's defund the police! Whoop! Whoop! Give the funds to other things! Whoop! Whoop! the police give the funds to other things okay shout out to sojourner at woe man eight for pointing me to someone who wasn't even writing a daily zeitgeist aka this was from at is he ought to uh for that one replying to actually cody it's it's all we're all it's all i heart it's all it's all in the building at the same time but But yes, thank you so much for that. Because I think we have to talk a little bit about what some people aren't understanding what is being meant by defund the police or what the aim is.

And I think we're going to keep talking about that as the days go on. And this fight continues. My AK was courtesy of Face Forward, but he just did a cab rocky uh i don't think i'm cool enough to be a cab rocky so i changed it to a cab sloppy to represent how sweaty i am we are thrilled uh to be joined in our third seat by the brilliant, the talented Bridget Todd! Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited to be here. Yes. Last time we saw you was one of the last times we were able to move freely, take airplanes, record in face-to-face.

We were all in D.C. together. I still have such fond memories of that time. Yeah, that was a fun moment. You guys had your hotel room tricked out. I had never seen a sort of mobile podcasting setup quite as robust as the ones that y'all had, so I was really, really impressed. It was a good time. It was a good time. How was the weather in D.C.?

Hot as balls. I would describe it as it feels like you're in someone's mouth. I walked out to get some lunch and I had to completely change my outfit from head to toe because I was bathed in sweat. See, I do that in Japan, too, because Tokyo in the summer, it's the humidity is absolutely wicked. Where like I have to have like either like a sweat towel and an extra shirt so I can do like a quick 180 in the bathroom if I have to meet people so they don't think like I'm in like a desperate like in a state of desperation when I come up so sweaty I don't know if that's the same if you have similar tactics but um I actually the the towel over the shoulder thing is a look that a lot of my uncles and my brother

yep rock where it's like oh just have just have a towel, just my sweat towel. DC is next is a different level of mugginess, though. I mean, it's famously built on a swamp, but it's, oh, you are right. That is a perfect description of the feeling of DC summer heat. I've only been to DC. You're inside someone's mouth. I been to dc in the summer once i was 14 it was like on an eighth grade trip to go see the the sights of the like america's history and like uh it was it was monumental i remember like i don't remember ford's theater i remember the gift shop across the street from ford's theater where where the homie bought a

weed pipe and got in trouble for it and then i remember the my memory of the heat is being at the lincoln memorial it's so hot this was maybe this was only in probably may or something so it wasn't even that deep fully into probably the hottest and muggiest it can be but i just remember being like this this is stupid like i don't even care about history anymore because this heat is so bad oh what a town the weed was the weed pipe like ford theater themed was it like no smoke it's like like the president got smoked or you know you know how like in hollywood or times square any like major attraction in the city has like just stupid ass souvenir shops that sell like some things that make sense that are relevant to the city

and then other times like i don't know you want a laser pointer that has like a pokemon on it like i don't know we got that shit too like and then we also bought laser pointers we got in trouble for that i got in trouble for launching a quarter down the escalators on the Metro because I had never seen escalators go so deep into the earth before. So my dumb ass is like, oh, get ready. This quarter is about to fucking fly. I hit this white woman in the arm. She's like, you got to get all these kids somewhere.

Like she acts like she got it. I mean, to be honest, the thing was flying so hard. And when I saw it hit somebody, I was like, that was probably not wise. And our teachers lined us up against the wall. And they're like, who threw the quarter? And, you know, I had to step up. Did you admit it? Yeah, I stepped up.

Wow. And there are other kids. See, there are white kids who are throwing shit down, too. Didn't say anything. But also, part of me was just like, oh, man. Like, I think I felt bad because I saw the impact of the cord. I was like, yeah, that wasn't a good look. So I was like, I will take this L.

You had such conviction as a child. Yeah. And then they called my parents and said I was like, we had a strike system on the trip. Because if you got one strike, it was a warning. You got two, they called your parents. And three, you were fucking on a plane back because they were not fucking standing for any of this shit. Because, you know, the past kids were getting wild on these trips. And I remember I got straight.

I went straight to strike two with my Metro quarter escapade. And then my mom was confused why they were calling because she, you know, she's like ESL, but didn't get like what happened. They're like, he struck someone with a quarter in the subway. And she's like, what? So he punched someone like, no, he threw a quarter and it hit a woman in the arm. She's like, oh, okay. And then they're like, do you want to speak with him? She's like, do you want to speak with him?

I get on the phone. She starts speaking to me in Japanese. She's like, what the fuck are they talking about i forget it man they're tripping and she goes all right just don't get in trouble i'm like and i'm like okay but i'm a high so on the phone they're like oh something's going down like he had to switch it up to japanese and meanwhile hang up i'm like you're in trouble so sorry no more quarters oh my god your mom first of, your mom sounds fucking awesome. Yeah, she's a gangster.

Bridget, did you have an eighth grade class trip? I did. So I went to school in Richmond, Virginia. And our big, so we had two big trips in my high school. One was to D.C. So Richmond to D.C. is like maybe it's like three hours but the big big school trip that like was dangled in front of you like if you fuck up you won't be able to go was our our trip to new york that was like a big deal and like we saved up we saved up money for it like we had like i feel like we had the bake sales and stuff like it was a big animating thing and it's like if you didn't get to

go it was the biggest deal in the world yeah that oh i could that was also part this trip was new york dc philadelphia basically like trying to and we were on buses i remember going to jamestown and laughing because i was like what is going what is wrong with y'all what the fuck is this place then i bought i think there's a record store in historic jamestown but uh my friend chris shout out to him bought the first jaw rules album that came out that year okay bought that in historical jamestown weed pipe across from his theater and then when we went to new york i was so stoked because i wanted to go to a dr j's because we didn't have there weren't like many clothing stores for like you know like hip-hop black people clothing in la like you had to go to like melrose or very

specific but i was like oh dr j's in new york don't fuck it up i bought like the most the cheapest like knockoff mecca t-shirt i think i could have ever had but you know exciting time so well shout out to uh lexington kentucky public schools we went to chicago for our eighth grade uh class trip and uh we got to go to the rock and roll mcdonald's and and uh what's the uh medieval times those were the two what is this educational experience what was the value assigned to the rock and roll mcdonald's it was just there it's a tourist stop man they it was wild listen i love with medieval times that place is fun like like that that would have been if i had been your age going to medieval times as part of a school trip that would have been if I had been your age going to medieval times as part of a school trip, that would have been amazing.

It was so fun. The trip was so fun. It's just funny that that was what we did instead of like go learn about the nation's capital. I remember when we were doing the live show in Chicago and I was like, I went on a fucking Arctic sojourn to go get Italian beef like with the wind cutting my face in the snow. sojourn to go get Italian beef, like with the wind cutting my face in the snow. I like walked by that. What I guess you're calling the rock and roll McDonald's. Cause I was like,

this shit looks like an Apple store. And now you're like, that used to be rock and roll McDonald's. I'm like, please leave me. I don't know what you're saying. Please stop. Go back to the hotel now.

I don't know what rock and roll McDonald's is. You don't know what it is? No. It's just like a big McDonald's is. You don't know what it is? No. It's just like a big McDonald's in Chicago that had jukeboxes and statues of Ronald McDonald and paintings of Elvis on the wall. There is literally zero educational value to it. It's just a big McDonald's. Okay.

I was trying to think if there was another name for when i searched rock and roll mcdonald's it's a wesley willis song oh really did i make that up i mean no i just call it the rock and roll the images though show that one mcdonald's for sure, yeah. Yeah, that same public school is the one that sent me to the Long John Silver's headquarters for being a student of the month one year, brag. And so there was a very like fast food centric curriculum there where they were just like, yeah, get it. I can't believe you did not.

I can't believe that you did not grow up to be like a like a subway executive or something you know still working still working towards those life goals he's like but a little most people don't know he is a quiznos franchisee my friend was a quiznos franchisee uh during the great quiznos fall uh shout out to chris oh man yeah i hate to see it all right bridget let's just get right into uh what we like to ask our guest and then you know there's there's plenty we're gonna get to hopefully uh and the flow of this conversation was such uh just telling you guys ahead of time that we are not going to actually throw to breaks. We'll just fade out and you'll start hearing an ad. We hope that's okay.

But first, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Dozens and dozens of Google image searches of what it looks like to get a test for COVID. I was one of the folks who was protesting in the last couple of weeks. And, you know, I felt like it was my responsibility

to go get a COVID test after being among the masses, obviously wearing masks, but protesting. But I'm such a baby about pain. And I'm such a baby about any kind of like thing where I'm being poked. Like I hate, like I regularly pass out when i get blood drawn like that's how that's how big of a baby i am okay so i really had to like do some deep dive research into have you seen those pictures of how far back it goes yeah looks like it's like

a sword swallower but i have it on good authority that's actually not that bad so if anybody is like me like squeamish and kind of a baby about pain and you've been protesting and you're like i really should get a covid test it is not it looks horrible in the pictures i don't think it's really that bad uh the la ones were not like there was that one video going around of like i think someone in the national guard or was like the some military in the u.s personnel were getting like mass covid testing and they were just skull fucking them with these cute dudes and i was like fuck no bro like i'll stay inside i've been good for the last months like i don't need to go but then yeah you start going out and about now it's like okay we have to we actually have to take this seriously and but

luckily all of the anecdotal evidence we have from Jamie Loftus to people across the city, at least in LA, it's not as violent as that one video made it seem. Yes, I would agree. So go out and get your COVID test if you're worried about it. Yeah, especially if you've been protesting, please.

Yes, yes, yes. Have you gotten yours yet? I have gotten mine. I'm awaiting my results. So hopefully I'll get the all clear. It takes longer than you expect, I feel like. It takes like a week sometimes. It took my wife like two weeks.

Oh, really? Yeah, I was told three to five days. It took the people who test her. Oh, got you, got you, got you. Yeah, I was told three to five days. So yeah, I mean, I think I really, I think this Google search was revealing because I really thought long and hard about whether or not I was going to join the protest precisely because of COVID. Like I was like, I don't want to get COVID. I'm too much of a wimp for that test. But then eventually I was like, I can't be in D.C. in this moment and like not go because I'm afraid of COVID. So I just had to like spend some time thinking about the risks and thinking about how to do it safely. So if anybody is in that same boat, you'll know what I mean of like, should I go?

Should I not go? Should I join? Should I not join? Yeah. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? What is something you think is underrated? Something that I think is underrated is calling your former bosses, calling them the fuck out on social media.

I think I have seen, you know, the last few days have been really incredible. Like heads are fucking rolling. And I think I grew up with a generation of like you don't shit talk your boss. Like nothing makes you look worse than when you, you know. No one's going to want to work with you after something like that. Exactly. That's the thing that rings. That's what you put in your head to sort of keep you in line. Exactly.

And I think especially for like black professionals, professionals of color, I think that we are so attuned and heightened to those kinds of messages of like, oh, well, like you don't want to look difficult. You don't want to look, you know, quote unquote, crazy. You don't want to look aggressive. So you have to be really careful about how you speak out about, you know, your professional experiences. I think that we have gotten to a moment where like that is out, that is done.

Like people are speaking up and I think it is great. Yeah. I think people don't respect the sanctity of white supremacy anymore. Absolutely. You know, because that's what it is. Because it's like, if you talk about it, then it's like, oh, oh, oh, no. That's, that's, that's, there's, that's sanctified. We don't have to go too deep into that.

Don't, and if you do, we're going to treat you like some, you know, aggressive blasphemer who dares to talk about this thing we won't speak about. But now that we are, yeah, like there's no that's gone now. Like that. I don't know why that fear has been lifted from a lot of people. And you see it with I mean, look at all these places, these like comedy clubs that are having reckonings to like it's happening at so many different levels. I think that's what that's why, you know, I took the last couple of days a break because

I was getting a little overwhelmed with how much I would engage with what's happening and just getting caught in the Twitter rage scroll and just letting it compound my feelings of already helplessness, just generationally or whatever, and feeling like, well, what do we do? But then there's so much power. All of these ideas swirling your head am i doing enough what can i do more is this is this the right thing should i do more of this am i doing a lot of this and it took a second i was i was burning out to say the least and it was it was to to describe everything that was happening with me internally and trying to be eloquent like the last yes eight episodes or so,

uh, is it takes a lot, especially cause like the whole time, like I can hear like my blood coursing through my head with my headphones on. I was like, I was just not in a good state. Like, and so I had to take a second,

had to find a new therapist. Uh, I had to get on some, like put my phone down. I actually like, I've not been using Twitter. I've not been looking at my email i had to take a second to fully like uh remove myself i think from like the existential

like rage and fire that is burning in a lot of us right now and realize that i'm engaging in what is going to be a marathon and i've been like i've it but it feels so good to sprint oh it feels good to sprint because your fucking body's moving you're like oh my god this power bro i'm sprinting i didn't know i could run this fast but you can't keep that up you know what i mean like you hit a wall and before i hit that wall i look i've you know i've i've i've struggled like with my own anxiety and things like that throughout the years and i've luckily been good about staying on top of my own mental health and well-being. And I could see this sort of feeling of anger sort of taking over me to the point where it would keep me on the sidelines of this fight. And that's the thing I had to realize.

I'm like, oh, man, I actually now I realize I want to be in this fight so bad. I need to take the time to change my training because I've been sprinting in the marathon and that looks good maybe in the first minute of the race. But when you hit mile three, mile four, mile 13, mile 20, you'll just get further back and back and back. And I think that's what, again, I want to really urge people because I think a lot of people are so engaged and really do feel like there is, there's some urgency right now that things can be done. That's good. And, but also realize this is a marathon and Bridget, you know,

you were saying again to me before we started recording that this is, you know, we have to be able to be efficient with our energy. So whatever that is that you have to do, please do that because this isn't, it's not about like what you get done in these three weeks. And if you're looking at this as being, well, I got to get it all done in these four weeks. I got to read, I got to read bell hooks and Angela Davis in three days. No, no, no, no, no. This is this look, it took, it took centuries to, to make white supremacy, this like religion that we all knelt to and, and I thought the power, like didn't question the power of, but it's going to take, it's going to take a minute for it to, to unravel,

but it's possible if we all keep our heads in the game. So I really want to encourage everybody to take that breath so you can like really see what the, what, what your role is going to be in this and how much energy that's going to take him to be as efficient as possible. Yeah, I couldn't, I could not agree more with all the things that you were saying. And I just want to say, I mean, the Montgomery bus boycott that lasted 382 days, right? Look, go back and look at how long some of the social movements that came before us, how long they actually lasted. And I think it's so tempting, like you said, to think we can get this all done in a weekend, right? And I also think that we live in a world where our news cycle is so short, but I don't think this is that, right? This is not like a

blip that we're all paying attention to now, you know, that we're going to lose our focus. Like, it shouldn't be something that we lose our focus on. And so we have to do whatever it is that grounds us, that keeps us feeling good so that we can stay checked in. And I we have to do whatever it is that grounds us, that keeps us feeling good so that we can stay checked in. And I do want to make a quick message to my white fam, which is that over the last couple of weeks, I've seen this, I've seen more white people sort of getting it, quote unquote, or doing the work to try to get it than I ever have. And I think especially for white folks, you know, us black and brown folks know that this shit is draining. It's hard. It's exhausting. You got to take breaks. It gets to you. I think that people who are newly checked in to how fucked up

and toxic white supremacy and all of this shit is might really need to remember that last thing. Because I think a lot of us who have been in this fight for a really long time know that. And so I think newcomers to this work might want to be extra careful about just acknowledging that. Take care of yourself. Exactly. Because this is what's going to happen. The second the NBA, MLB, NFL, your jobs, the toil of capitalism, all that fires up. You're going to find 300,000 excuses as to why you did the work in June. And now I got to do this other stuff now. No, no, no, no.

And this is the thing that I think most black people will continue to challenge allies on is to keep this same energy. Because what we're seeing right now makes us like you're saying oh okay if this looks good people are trying to understand people realize the stakes and now are investing in a movement but that move it it cannot go in we cannot become inert at all so figure out how you just keep how you stay plugged in because oh you're gonna look like a fool uh you know if you had all this radical talk uh you know out the side of your head when you were you know

among people who you thought it would make you look good in front of and then go back to regularly scheduled programming because man those excuses i can't even imagine what some of those tired excuses are going to be like from people in a few months from now who were so rah-rah right now. And I get it. Some people maybe felt something, understood that they felt oppression of their own, and that got them to come out and then take their foot off the gas. I don't know how someone would tell you, like, I thought you understood, right? What happened now? How come you won't actually just sign this petition? Why don't you just vote for this person? Why are you voting for this person? You just said that you understood what the stakes were and i think that's the next phase of this whole thing is that we need to leave politics behind and start moving

towards purpose because yeah that's the problem we got all these fucking we got all these words and phrases and shit that are cutting up the pie that we don't actually see it for what it is we need purpose now because man we'll get to it but the the league of nubian justice is not going to save us in nancy pelosi and chuck schumer i don't care how many kente clod stoles they got on that's not i still look at those people as people who drop the ball on bills that actually could have done things that were substantive now if we're willing to move forward now and people can say hey i'm willing to go full throttle on this like like really getting stuff done but like don't kneel with your kente cloths on it's like y'all are the people who make the laws right like so now now like i know this is the the next phase of this is really going to have to be going beyond

politics and going towards purpose because if we keep going along politics, we'll continue to do these lukewarm reforms and not move towards the purpose of what all these demonstrations are. And I think that's what people I want people to really realize. We have to start looking at purpose, the purpose of these things, the purpose of these bills, the purpose of voting people in office, not because of the color or the letter in parentheses next to their name when they run a chyron on MSNBC or CNN or whatever. It's about the purpose now. And this is the problem that a lot of people are going to run into. You've now out loud said you intellectually understand what the purpose is. So if you now go

against that for something else, you're going to look so disingenuous. You can't go back to not understanding. So in a lot of ways, some people may have crossed the Rubicon they weren't ready to cross. Yeah. But I love it. I love it because I think that's what we need is we need purpose now. Absolutely. This will become, I think, less of a focus in the media, and it might even become the unpopular in the media.

Just like you guys were talking about the Montgomery bus boycotts like that. That is something that now we look back on as, you know, a montage in a movie, but that was long and it was, uh, became unpopular. Martin Luther King jr.

Was unpopular when he was murdered. It's something, like we talked last week, that I think some people assume that the status quo is justice or had that assumption, or at least I had that tacit assumption in the back of my mind. And I think we need to understand

that the status quo is oppression and racism and white supremacy. Yeah, these fantasy characters from our history are villains. And I think that's the thing. It's that moment where teens recognize their parents suck.

I think a lot of white people are realizing that about their system of government. And a lot of people are like realizing that about their system of government. And like what? Like a lot of people like, whoa, what the fuck? Oh, whoa. This is bullshit. This is what? But some people, I think, will retreat to the comfort of their distractions because this is heavy.

This is heavy lifting. This is heavy, heavy lifting to like to really engage in this. So I commend anybody who's doing the work, like actually doing the work, you know, because it's not easy. Yeah, this is the first time that I felt like America might be up to it. Like the kind of movement, the attention, the changing, some of the changing attitudes. But there's a whole long history of America not being up to confronting white supremacy.

long history of uh america not being up to confronting white supremacy and so there there's just a lot of long uh and sustained work well yeah and i think the other thing especially liberals do is that they will uh diagnose the problem but not treat it and and they pat and we pat ourselves on the back i would too when i would maybe probably identify more as like a big D Democrat 10 years ago of just being like, well, they – I mean, they called it out. Right. I mean, that took a lot because before no one said anything. At least they called it out. And I'm like – Right.

What the – in my mind – and that's the thing that's, I think, different now is we're not, we're just, we're not willing to settle for the diagnosis anymore. It's time for the treatment. I think that's so right. And I look at it, like, I don't know if you guys saw the two different camps that came out on social media. One was eight can't wait. Like, these are these eight steps that police departments can take right now to demilitarize our police.

And then, and so I'm not like shitting on that at all. Like, I'm happy that people are thinking about solutions and goals. But then someone was like, hey, like, like, why are we thinking so small? Yeah. Right. Like, like, why is one of these eight things, you know, banning the chokehold? Chokeholds are already banned. Like, why is it like restating, you know, what should be the bare minimum? And so someone else was like,

released a new thing, like eight to abolish. Like, like what, like this is not the moment for, and again, I want to be very clear. I am not,

I am not shitting on anybody who's coming, coming to the table with solutions at all. But I believe this is not the time to be playing small. Yeah, incrementalism. The incremental solution. Exactly, exactly, exactly. And I think if, you know, one of the things I prepared for today was my myth, I'm going to change my myth and say a myth is that electoral organizing and electoral work is the only

way, is the only thing there is. And that is a myth. It is not true. And I think that like disproven just thoroughly over the last two weeks. Exactly. It's like, like all of the changes that we have, that we have made in the last few weeks,

none of like, so few of those were attached to an elected official or like electoral power. I believe in electoral power. I would, I would never say, don't go out and vote. It's not worth it, whatever. Never, ever, ever. You will never hear me say that. But we need to think beyond what is possible and think beyond the everyday thinking about where power lies. Of course you should vote, but you should also be aware of your own people power.

You should also be aware of what happens when you collectively and strategically fight for liberation and like, what is possible. Like, I think that we, I, I'm really talking to myself here. I've spent so long being the version of myself,

miles that you just did the impression of, of like, well, at least they called it out. At least they wore the Kente cloth, whatever. And like, why was I willing to accept such,

such meaningless, small potatoes in, in this work? Like, why, like, to accept such meaningless small potatoes in this work? Like, why would that have satisfied me when I'm still so hungry? Because that was our form of bowing to the altar of white supremacy. In that we've been told that's the best we can get. So take it or leave it. And we've been raised with an attitude and outlook from art, from generations of black Americans struggling for liberation that that's just how it is. That's just how I mean, that's just how it is.

We all know, but that's just how it is. And we're coming out of the that's just how it started. It feels like we're getting into the nah, fuck that phase. Because we've, you know, we've been just saying, that's just how it is. Like the news coverage would be like, and yes, disproportionately, like African-Americans are put in jail at a higher rate.

Okay, now, well, back to you, Fred. What's going on with the Bank of California losing the naming rights to the stadium for LAFC? It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like we're past that. We're past it. Because now it's absurd. And I think now we're not willing to bow to

its supremacy and say thank you so much thank you so much for the optics thank you for this ceremonial thing that felt like a show of solidarity we are i think we are so we're like in a justice famine right where we we need that and we have not tasted it. Now nothing will do except for justice. So you want to give me reforms? You're just you're delaying the end of this white supremacist system of oppression. That's all you're doing. You are delaying the end of it. That's all incremental solutions are.

If we have if we're brave enough now, we're all saying we're all calling it what it is. We all see the violence of the police and that we seriously have to rethink what law enforcement looks like in this country. It seems like a lot of people now are willing to connect emotionally and intellectually that black people are just murdered for sport. If we're all willing to say that, how dare you say that we just need incremental change? You just accepted that this is unacceptable so then how could we how could we take another minute of the same thing it makes no sense it really makes no sense and i think that's the the difference now i think is where the urgency is really here and now we're i think a lot of people are able to articulate and call out and you know

properly synthesize all these things that are out there and translate it into like, Oh no, this is, these reforms have been a tool to just prolong the inevitable, which is equality. Fuck. Yeah.

You're taking me to church right now. It's true. I had to go to the mountain y'all. I had to go. I told you, I said, I have, I have to be able to contribute,

man. And I can't, I feel it. I'm telling, I feel I have I have to be able to contribute man and I can't I feel it I'm telling I feel different I feel different and but first I felt different in that I said I've never felt this fucking angry in my life I've never been willing to just knock on a neighbor's door and be like come come catch me outside right now I got shit to say like yeah let me tell you yeah now is not the time to be trying black and brown people because we have like fucking had it oh we have oh i got i have time i have time now i have all the time but that's what i realize if i'm gonna have the time i have to be able to do it efficiently. And that's why I want to remind people is, yes, the first part is great.

You've accepted that we are in a state that must change. So the next phase is really think about the solutions. Don't think about how to make it better. You can't, don't diagnose my illness and then just treat the symptoms. Treat the disease. Well, I think we're all glad you're back i think we're all glad you took you took care of yourself because i think everybody needs i think everybody but that's recognized yeah and that's why i feel good though too

because it's like it almost seems like the solutions are so clear and we can actually articulate them and enough like there seems to be we're reaching a tipping point of white allies that are also on the same page now and we're all singing from the same book because before it used to be well not like that and you had obama saying you know calling protesters it's like no no see this we're all like i think we're shedding this illusion now about what is going on. And if we're sober enough to see it, then we got to have the, I guess, the bravery or just the moral backbone to say, if we see the problem, then let's just solve the problem. Absolutely. I hope that that's the moment that we're in i hope it's a sustained focused response to all of this i really i really hope it feels like it is i really

hope it is yeah and granted we are in bubbles what i do know is i can i can speak for the people i spoke i speak to who are have similar backgrounds backgrounds being black, biracial, having some, you know, some participation in blackness in this country and like it awakening something, something very deep that was about like dedicating, I don't know, like using this energy to do something different. Um, because I feel like, you know, our parents spent generations trying to position us and subsequent generations in places where we could have access to things they did not. And I think maybe those chickens are coming home to roost in the sense that we've had to operate in white spaces for so long.

We've learned how to navigate white spaces and how that power moves in those places, how to create allies, even just through working in these places. And now we're like, I feel like we look, generationally, we kind of, we're seeing the matrix of it. And we're like, I think we can actually, there might be a way to do something. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project.

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that point that you just made about being you know black and brown folks in professional settings because i think that like as someone who has worked in media like i worked at msnbc i probably have never felt more aware of my blackness than working in a white media space and you know these days I'm self-employed. There's like no, like I can say whatever the fuck I want. Like there's, you can't call anyone to get me fired because I work for myself. But like-

I am your manager. You're right, exactly. But like seeing my black peers at the New York Times, at Bon Appetit, at all these places saying like, no, we have been putting up with straight up racism from people on this staff who probably think of themselves as like nice white people for years and we're fucking done. You know, I don't think that people understand the minutia of navigating white spaces as black and brown people, like the minutia of how you have to like carry yourself and be aware of

things and show up in a specific way. Like, and on top of that also do your job and do it really well so that nobody says that you just got there because you're a diversity hire. I don't like, you know, Charles blow on this Oprah special. I watch was talking about like,

like what would our collective work look like as a people? If we didn't have to navigate this bullshit all the time? Like, like how, like how much more could we have accomplished if we weren't using our energy to navigate this racist system and doing it with a fucking smile because that's what's expected. Like it really,

it really does feel like a moment where it's like, you see what we all fucking put up with all the time. Yeah. Yeah. That actually, uh, ties into, uh uh something you wrote about in today's doc miles about uh kaylee mcinerney kind of talking about how uh the president in

addition to her statements about you know backing up the the president's conspiracy theory that uh that i think conspiracy theory is like the wrong language to use. Just utter shameful smear. Smear? It's not a theory. It's a fucking lie, dude. What the fuck is wrong? He had a fucking police jamming device, a fucking iPhone?

He swore on Twitter, though, man. Oh, fuck, yeah. He says bad words. Yeah, exactly. Nice try. On yesterday's episode, we talked about how she was bragging that he got 8% of the black vote and on uh yesterday or on today's episode of i think it was fox and friends uh she was saying that he had asked you know the equivalent of the one black guy at his

company to lead a diversity council yeah i mean hey it's happening at every job right now it's like okay oh man we fucked up hey sorry uh people we weren't listening to or people who just weren't really willing to say anything can y'all be in charge of suddenly now helping us uh do the work of of transforming company uh look uh commend the energy but my probably not the best way to do that uh and but hey this is what they got they got tim scott now the one black republican senator to work on these proactive policy prescriptions whatever that means i mean he in the past he has tried to attach bills that were about police accountability that essentially saying that, like, if police, local police departments do not record the incidents of, like, shootings to the to the feds, that that would that would that would basically restrict their ability to receive federal funding. So in a way, defunding the police if they weren't, like, willing to account.

So I don't know if he's going to propose some form of, like, just mainly like an accountability bill that's just basically saying like sorry like we're gonna have to like dox all you terrible racist transgressors is like i don't know if that's the the thing that's gonna happen but the rest of her segment kind of went on she's like you know we'll see if that's gonna be like uh through executive order or like legislation we don't know but it was like like this very like noncommittal way of talking about it. But I think the thing that's really interesting

is that they're not able to succinctly talk about the issues like of racism and white supremacy and over policing because if they do, it's like this like logic game where by doing that, that means now they've opened themselves up to talk about all these things that the president has already spoken about and they're always willing to like just defend it blindly but it's weird how even these like racists have to like figure out the weird chess game like well i can't say too much because then that means i acknowledge it

and then the self-awareness will make my own ideology evaporate, but I must do very, there's a lot of, a lot of, a lot of word games being played. But we'll see. I don't know. We'll see what happens. I'm not hopeful. I'm not hopeful. I'm not, I'm not hopeful either.

I mean, listen, this is an administration where Trump went on TV in front of a bunch of police officers and said, essentially, don't beat, yeah, rough them up. Like, like, like, I guess I just, and it's funny that we've been talking about this now. I feel, obviously, fuck Trump forever until the day I die. Like, suck my dick and choke on it. Fuck you. I hate him so much. But.

I yield my time. I yield my time. Which, by the way, like, chef kiss. But, you know, when I was at the protest in D.C., I was really surprised how few signs at the protest were about Trump specifically. And I almost kind of forgot about him. Like, of course, he is a racist white supremacist monster and he is leading our country. And, you know, we got to remember that. But this problem goes so much deeper than Trump.

Like, like this shit was a problem way before trump right like this shit has always been a problem you just talked about obama like talking shit about protesters right like the problem obviously trump is horrible but trump did not invent white supremacy and i think that like people who are thinking about it only in terms of like oh trump is a monster are thinking way. That's a tunnel vision or something. That's like someone who thinks like SoundCloud rappers are the beginning of hip hop. Exactly.

Exactly. So like it's like this is the first this has been the first time that I've thought about Trump in a couple of days because I'm just like there are so much other. Yeah, it's big. There's so much to this. It's bigger than like the racist in the White House. Yes, the racist in the White House. But it's so much bigger. Yeah, it's big. There's so much to this. It's bigger than like the racist in the White House. Yes, the racist in the White House, but it's so much bigger than that. Yeah, I think that's like the one thing he's actually is like, I thank God it's systemic.

It's not just me. But it's true. I think that's why I keep saying that we need to actually begin moving forward with purpose and not politics because, dude, Bill Clinton. Let's think about what happened the amount of people were incarcerated under the clinton administration and because his cat had a video game socks the cat on genesis and he could play the saxophone we were like he was great inaction but that's inaction and then the same way like even that's why i didn't like this

the kente cloth stole look from all these politicians who have not really, they could have gone so much more aggressive on bills that would have helped working people, which would have helped black people. They could have done, they could have done so much more work that would have aggressively treated like housing inequality and things like that. But they didn't because they also,

they have to work with the real estate developers that help finance their campaigns. It's just, that's why like I look at all this and I'm like, but see, this is a fucking you guys are playing dress up. And that's why I really I think that's to your point is that people feel that this is like, yo, this is so they're seeing past the political game. And now it's the purpose. We're done with the politics of this. We're now here with the purpose for equality. And maybe we'll affect that change through politics by exercising our right to protest and then eventually lean on these people to get in line or let's vote in people that will. And let's not be afraid to put people out who were all about dragging their feet.

And a lot of people want to talk about, well, those people don't get stuff. Some people, there's too idealistic. They don't get stuff done. Well, they're in there because they're in there for a purpose. They're not there to half step. And unfortunately, they were just outnumbered. God. And I think with what you're saying, I have to go there.

I mean, something that has really been dismaying my heart lately is, you know, come November, we're going to have Trump, four years of Trump or four years of Biden. Biden is not someone who is for, you know, defunding the police. Biden said it out loud. Right. He's not even we just had a global pandemic. And this man is not even for better solutions for everybody to have health care right so like part i'm just so frustrated with our country and our party and our electoral power like like now is not the time like you said to half step right like we need we need big ideas and big solutions and i think people are hungry for that right now and i but and then it's like the only answer to why you can't insure every other person is like is just about the

insurance industry there are ways to read like to to put people in new positions to stay employed that isn't so like these disingenuous arguments that like suddenly these people are going to be out on their ass like i'm sure there are some people who like who work in maybe an administrative capacity in a c-suite at humana or kaiser or something yes that may be a bit difficult uh but not to say that we can't think of an equitable way to to transition off of that to create that because at the end of the day it's really just about money yeah that's something like like the pandemic happening and then the this this wave of protest happening at the same time nothing has ever been like more clear to me is that you know before all of this unrest happened we couldn't make sure like not everybody has insurance we couldn't make sure our doctors

had enough of the gear they needed to do their job safely a week later we've got we've got money for the military in my in my in my little sleepy dc town to be sending out tanks and flashbangs because a handful of teenagers broke curfew like we have money for we have money for this but we didn't have money for fucking face masks a week ago like the only reason why we have people who are uninsured people who are dying because they can't get what they need in terms of medical care you know is because we we've made that choice it's a choice we have we have the money we have the money the fact of the matter is like if we wanted to take care of our people in this country we could we have. We have chosen not to,

but we fucking could. Like, we just need to, like, accept that. Yeah. I think much in the same way, it's like the same thing with, I guess, with racism in this country.

We're willing to diagnose that, but there hasn't been that tipping point where it's clicking now where it's like, yeah, wait, why are we, why are they paid? Why are these fucking CEOs paid? So what is this? Why? They'd barely do, why are they paid? Why are these fucking CEOs paid?

So what is this? Why? They'd barely do it. What are we doing? Why are we leaving people behind? The smart people, a lot of really smart people go into just bullshit jobs. I mean, you were talking about the people who are going to be out on their ass. Those are generally people who could be very good at a job that actually

contributes something that actually takes care of somebody instead of finding legal ways to overcomplicate the process of getting people covered for their healthcare. Like the, it's just our system is not set up to function efficiently. It's set up to find ways for people at the top to make money. Yeah. The whole game is that we have industries that are essentially made to generate revenue from the failings of capitalism.

That's the other stage of this thing. It's like, okay, so because we leave uh black and brown people destitute and they commit crimes of desperation the solution isn't to address their inequality it's to now criminalize their poverty and send patrols in there to just round people up arrest them brutalize them that's weird yeah oh but look who makes all this money all the people who make the tear gas who make the tanks who make the prisons who make the handcuffs who make the police uniforms that's a whole industry that's built off of ignoring the actual root cause of these crimes that are happening and it's so disingenuous that it just be like nah right see because if i do that then there will be less of what i need to do and i

want i need to create more money so what i'll do is these people are now illegal. What they do is illegal. And we won't even, let's completely avoid a conversation of how to actually get these people to some point of stability. But, you know, that's just kind of where some people are at in the discourse. I feel like the mainstream media can over-explain and they can look at the systems of well doctors didn't have the like the doctors had to wear garbage bags because we didn't have the masks created yet and like we didn't have a stockpile and that was a systemic problem and police are you know have mech suits because like i've seen all these articles in the new york times Washington Post, Wall Street Journal that are all just like this really close analysis of each systemic problem. But at a certain point, you need to

step back and you do have to look at the symptom and be like, okay, there's something overall wrong with the broad value system when a doctor during a pandemic is wearing a garbage bag and when police immediately respond looking like the future scene from terminator when um whenever there's you know peaceful protests well it's funny like now it's like you know the the three race class and gender uh race and gender the news is fine talking about it seems like class not so much or at least connecting all three at once never because that would probably activate too many people's imaginations uh for liberation or something like that but i think again the reason too is because all of these systems are there to reinforce this caste system, these classes that we have.

And when you're able to say, again, with the criminalization of the poor rather than rehabilitation of the poor, you can maintain your caste system and make money. Because if you create equality, now you're disrupting that model. So the ruling class is completely unable to address it because it would quite literally erode their financial political and racial supremacy so it's like a snail being pro-salt like you're not going to hear them talk about it because they'd be like oh shit then i've nope nope i'm not gonna talk about salt talk about everything else right absolutely and i want to say one thing which i know sounds a little hippy di, but it came up in a therapy session where I just like ranted about all of these things that I found very, very impactful is that this is a lot, right? Like one person, right? Like me, my little self working alone, I am not going to be able to overthrow capitalism, patriarchy, white supremacy, or any other oppressive system, right? Sometimes we feel like we can, though. I feel like, honestly, listening to you talk today, Miles, I was like, maybe I can do it.

No, but that's the allure. But we get these moments where you feel in touch with your power, and it's easy to fall into that. Definitely. But something that my therapist said that I found so impactful was that while I cannot overthrow these oppressive systems myself, I can do the work to make sure they don't run shit in my relationships, in my home, in my workplace, and most importantly, in my mind, right? And so I was reading this step-by-step guide about prison abolition and defunding the police and all of that.

And the first thing they said was, step one, if you're going to be serious about abolition, is kill the cop in your mind. That voice in your head, when you catch yourself policing others, you know, asking, like, when you hear your inner Karen going off, when you, you know, the need. What are they doing? What are they up to over there? Right. Right. Like,

like the number one thing we all need to do is not out there. It's, it's self-work. It's killing the cop in our mind. And I found that to be so empowering is that, Oh, I might not be able to overthrow capitalism, patriarchy,

white supremacy, but I can damn sure make sure they don't run shit in my house, in my mind, in my relationships, at my, at my job, you know? Absolutely. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that.

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And I think we need to actively address that over the coming... I still think we should vote for Biden because I don't know what happens with Trump continuing in the White House. But that cannot be the reason why. It can't be a situation where we go back to just assuming that everything is being taken care of. And you guys mentioned it earlier, that sort of political geometry of every time there's a Democrat in the white house there's a triangulation that goes on where they have to you know consider have to appear uh tough on crime or conservative politically or conservative fiscally like all these different things that they feel they have to do whereas like republicans never feel like they have to make concessions in the other direction.

Yeah. But Democrats, that needs to stop, and it can't be a thing we stop paying attention to. All that does, it's just accommodating white supremacy. Yeah. That's all it is, and that's all it has been. So whenever we're asking for real equality, and these bills get to a point,

and legislators that get it, get it to a place where maybe it could get a vote and then it gets fucking destroyed and watered down. That's because then there are Democrats who are accommodating the white supremacy on the right or in their own districts. And I think that's at least I think maybe that's the difference is we are less companies to are less willing to accommodate white supremacy too like when they just say hey fuck y'all bro if if it ain't black lives matter fucking i don't give take your dollar somewhere else we don't give a fuck we actually don't we don't give a fuck because the racists aren't making the shit that's good but go ahead go over there if you like it and i think that's the attitude that the democrats also need to have is to stop accommodating these white supremacists. And it's easy. You can say, look, we're doing this because that's right.

And if whatever I think a lot of arguments against like these structural changes, like they're only going to appeal to the economics of it ever because there's no there's no moral argument against any of these things. We're seeing everything. So now it's like scrambling to be like, well, then how can we obscure this in these other ways to try and, because we can't, this can't get too much momentum, but I think really what we need to be doing. And I think that's a place where I'm finding myself at is like,

I'm not going to accommodate white supremacy. So that means if I see it, I will call it out. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be like, Oh, there's white supremacy you know that was like a very 2017 2018 19 way of being like there it is i mean we see it but

then i you know i was living in a reality where you see it and then like if enough people on twitter know who this person is maybe they'll get fired and that's the little bit of justice I can taste. But I think we got eyes on bigger prizes now. The status quo is not inherently good like Americans have loved to tell. The status quo of America is not that America is inherently good. It's that it's inherently white supremacist. America's soul is not inherently good. I mean, I can just hear Biden saying that.

Like, deep down, Americans are good. And Americans deep down are white supremacist. And that is something that needs to be actively addressed constantly on a daily basis. Yes. I just want to yes and that so much. You know, when there's a high profile racist incident, so many of my like well-meaning white friends always rush to be like, this isn't who America is.

America is better than that. It's like, where? When? When was America better? Like, this is who we are. I think that that distinction, Jack, that you just talked about, like, it's uncomfortable and difficult, fucked up, toxic systems that have ran shit for so long. Because this is who we are.

You know, when we say like, oh, it's a broken system, it's not really broken. Like we've chosen to set it up this way. And that's the system that we have. So like, if you don't like the system, it's not that it's broken. It's functioning the way it was designed to function, which is badly if you're black or brown. Yeah. Yeah.

which is badly if you're black or brown yeah yeah i think if it's that that's the other part of it is governments are only you know legit legitimate if people you know uh consent to to be ruled under it and we're we're seeing i mean now we're like willing to completely i don't know there are a lot of people who are starting to reject uh what they're seeing and for a lot of people too like i mean we've talked we talk about this on the show all the time and i just want to be able to arm listeners too when because people will especially a lot of people who don't think much they're going to hear white supremacy and they say i'm not in the kkk i didn't own slaves we didn't own we're irish or whatever we were slaves uh which i've you see that one on twitter a lot um the begin to like really understand what we're talking about right like if

you just think of it it's like that our entire history has been written by the people who were doing their own pr the whole time you know what what I mean? Came here, we kicked these people the fuck out, brutalized them, you know, then we took over. Then we like, we're hallucinating that God said we could have everything else. So then we filed a bunch of people, mistreated people, then use the labor of these people we stole from their land. And then wait till you get a load of this 400 years later,

they're going to pay a company that white people own called 23andMe and still not know where they come from because we stole them from where they came. It's going to be that sick. I mean, like, these are the things, it's just about how there's been, we have not truly addressed how we have used slavery in this country to, you know, from the time of King Cotton and what that did for America as an economic powerhouse to the labor that has been used to build these cities. And then freed the slaves and said that was enough. And then we'll continue to find new ways to evolve this slavery because we realize, okay, we can't say slavery anymore.

We've crossed the Rubicon where the word slavery bad. Everyone knows slavery bad. So let's call it something else. Okay, let's start segregating them and we'll put them in these other places and then we can find other ways to just sort of maintain this thing where we will continue to other and be suspicious of a group of people um i don't even know where i'm going with this because once i get once i get started talking about this stuff i get a million thoughts in my head no i mean that's that's oh yeah we need to have a reckoning that's what i

meant we just have to people it's about having an honest reckoning. Like if you haven't read a people's history of the United States, my God, like that was one of the first times I remember graduating high school and a history teacher who I really looked up to. The reason I even majored in history was like, Hey, you should check this book out. And I was like, why didn't we read this here? He's like, dude, I can't,

I can't tell y'all gonna fucking read this shit in this school um and i did and it blew my mind i was like damn that's right they were doing their own pr this whole time with these history books and was that the book that was that the book that radicalized you like what was the thing that like radicalized you like that like brought you to where you are like what's your jumping off point that got you to where you are now. Was it that book? That was the first step. out its game of influence in Latin America and South America using soft power versus what the Soviet Union was doing with like brute like military like force to show people like Americans

would be like we're gonna use debt and like use our guns to train people who will kill socialists like that was sort of the other parts and I was like oh right and I think just I think really and if any anytime you can find an honest account of history, whether that's like the involvement in Latin America with like, or the school of Americas and knowing like what that was and things like that, those are when you realize, I'm like, these are things that exist that are even have Wikipedia articles. It's not like these are conspiracy theories. I've just been force fed a diet that completely sanitizes all of the Americans of any wrongdoing. I don't know. I've just been force-fed a diet that completely sanitizes all of the Americans of any wrongdoing. I don't know. I can't remember a single time as a kid where I was like, wow,

America was really bad for that. Even the atomic bomb. I'm black and Japanese, and I'm reading a section on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and I'm like, yeah, man, that probably the war would have got a lot worse if they didn't do that. And I was fed that. And I remember like saying that out loud to my mom and got my head ripped off. And I was like, Oh my God, I totally forgot.

that's, and I've been, I've been, I'm Japanese. I've been to Hiroshima and I've seen the, the, the, like the dome,

the bombed out dome. And like, I know what that means to the people of Japan and like most people who saw that as an atrocity but then I without being able to see the nuance of what I was getting as a school child and even like eating this like

really bittersweet cookie that was American history being fed to me of like the destruction of my own people and it's weird when you because we we go out into the world like we trust the teachers and the schools and like that's what it's all about but we have to become we have to get more honest here and be a little more critical of like it's not we're not doing ourselves any service by obscuring our past

and i mean the white supremacists know how powerful that shit is. That's why they fight to ban books. That's why they, you know, there's an episode of The Dollop that I was listening to recently about the like West Virginia textbook battles where these like right wing, you know, white supremacists were just battling to keep any mention of like science, any mention of just anything out of the schools. And they went to literal war over it because they know what they're doing. Yeah, because again, white supremacy survives as long as we don't talk about it, as long as we don't put our attention on it, and as long as we don't use the words white supremacy because it's easier to say like,

man, then those were difficult times and blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, see, now you've completely derailed our purpose because our purpose is to dismantle white supremacy.

It's not to, it's not to create lawlessness and get rid of the cops. The cops are an expression of white supremacy, but there is eyes on bigger prizes. You said, if you haven't read a people's history the U.S., even if you have, I'm going to reread that. I suggest rereading it. I just rewatched 13th, and something that stuck with me this time more than it had before

was just that last line. Bryan Stevenson says, people say all the time, I don't understand how people could have tolerated slavery. How could they have made peace with that? How could people have gone to a lynching, participated in that? How do people make sense of the segregation, this white and colored only drinking fountain?

That's so crazy. If I was living at that time, I would have never tolerated anything like that. And the truth is we are living at this time and we are tolerating it. Yep. That's it. Yeah. Well, Bridget, it's been wonderful having you on the show.

I feel like I completely derailed your episode structure. I apologize. No, not at all. That's how all the episodes have been going lately. And I think that's necessary. I think we're better off. It's good to let the conversation go where it does. Yeah.

And you were a great guest, as always, so never feel like you derailed anything. Where can people find you and follow you? You can follow me on Twitter, at Bridget Marie. You can follow me on Instagram, Bridget Marie. You can follow me on Instagram at Bridget Marie in DC. And you can keep a lookout for my new podcast on this very network, iHeartRadio, called There Are No Girls on the Internet. It drops on July 7th. Nice. Wow. What's it about?

It explores the intersection of women and other marginalized voices, technology, and the internet. I think especially right now, in all these conversations we're having about white supremacy, tech companies, specific individuals in tech, are really allowing a lot of shit to go on while also pretending that their tech is apolitical or neutral, and that's bullshit.

So I really want to explore some of that and point some fingers. So come along with me. We love finger pointing around here. And is there a tweet you've been enjoying or some other work of social media? Yes, there is. My favorite tweet of the moment, I have two. One is Twitter user Alyssa.

She says, you want to know why you're all so phonetically satisfied by the line, quote, suck my dick and choke on it. I yield my time. Fuck you. It's because it's basically Shakespeare. It feels like a heartbeat. Literally, it's how you speak when your body is guiding you. And she's broken it down.

And it's essentially iambic pentameter. And I think there is something like so lyrically beautiful about that phrase suck my dick and choke on it i yield my time fuck you i've said it probably a hundred times since i saw that video that is my new life motto what was your favorite coupling i think i i think i gotta go with the i yield my time fuck you because you know it's like he recognizes that his time is up, has a little bit more time, and it's going to sneak that in. I just think it's a real. And still has a respect for decorum, too. Like, I think that's what it is.

Despite all that, you said you told the man to choke on your dick. But then you're like, oh, decorum. I yield my time. Fuck you. Sorry. Had one more time on the way out. And another thing I've been loving online is probably my new protest anthem, You About to Lose Your Job.

Somebody tweeted a picture of a protest, I think, in L.A. outside of the police station where it's just hundreds of protesters chanting that song i just love that that's become like a like a rallying cry did you see that one video from detroit uh where the dude was like on a bombed out mad max car and it was like detroit techno and it was like no justice no peace fuck these racist ass police no justice and people were like it was a like everyone was like

singing it it was real easy it was a real easy one to get along to I love it I love it and it's a good reminder that techno came from

like techno came from Detroit it's a real like I love it I love a like convergence of things anti-police protest and techno in Detroit

yes please and blackness. It's all like, oof. Give it to me. Put it in my veins. Miles, where can people find you

and what's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh, let's see. You can find me on Twitter, Instagram, PlayStation Network, Miles of Grey,

also my other podcast, 420 Day Fiance. Talking about 90 Day Fiance. And a new season started up, so if you want to completely uh ignore the news yeah come on to my show where i only will occasionally violently go on a political rant because something on the show reminds me of the inequalities in our world but i try to keep them to a minimum um let's see some tweets that i like uh first one is from uh regular guests uh andrew t he's like quote tweeting like a picture of another tweet that um it just says guy trolling police by

playing the imperial march is exactly what the world needs right now uh which i think was happening like all over but a lot in in france and then andrew, do you dumb fucks not know what the words exactly and needs mean? And another one is from at Chris Ligman. It says in Los Angeles, we don't say goodbye. We say I yield my time. Fuck you. And I think it's beautiful.

Yes. Oh shit. Those are so good I can't beat those you can find me at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram

we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as the song we ride out on. Miles, you're back to tell us what we are riding out on today. I mean, H-E-R, having everything revealed, her. She is a great R&B artist.

She's actually, I think uh had a song on uh the show song land uh that uh super producer nick stump for what works on that podcast uh but this track is called two uh by her um i know it all sounds like two by her uh but i don't know she's just got like a great like down tempo style um her productions like very like forward thinking like you know i like when people like when artists kind of have their own idea of what their aesthetic is especially with like the the songs and instrumentals that they sing over um and i always like i always like her aesthetic so if you if you like it check out her h.e.e.r. And is it two, like the number two? Number two.

Number two. Numero dos. All right. Well, The Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio. And for more podcasts from iHeartRadio, you can visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. That is going to do it for this morning. We'll be back this afternoon to tell

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