The Daily Zeitgeist - GOP’s Klan Hood Showing, TikTok To Hollywood Pipeline 3.24.22

Episode Date: March 24, 2022

In episode 1211, Jack and Miles are joined by writer and host of How To Citizen, Baratunde Thurston to discuss… Mike Braun’s Klan hood slipped off in an interview?, Mo Brooks WORE BODY ARMOR on Jan 6 and THIS is the thanks he gets?, The TikTok to Hollywood pipeline and more! Mike Braun’s Klan hood slipped off in an interview? Mo Brooks WORE BODY ARMOR on Jan 6 and THIS is the thanks he gets? The TikTok to Hollywood pipeline LISTEN: Wood Trees by BeginSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 229 episode 4 of the daily zeitgeist a production of iheart radio this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into america's shared consciousness this thursday march 24th 2022 which of course means that it is national cheesesteak day there we go we'll just get right philly yo jackie it's also a chocolate covered raisin deck which i have come to enjoy less and less as i get older really gives me digestive issues what about the did you ever eat the yogurt covered raisins yeah those are kind of gross but i used to like them i used to just like any little sugar pellets that I could get in my mouth.

Right, right. Those felt like, and they got fruit. It felt like the thing you go to the store and there would be like, you could get like loose nuts or candy out of the thing at the grocery store. And like the yogurt covered ones, I was like, man, mom, I should like, those are like vegetables practically. She's like, no, we're not getting those. Basically, yeah. You're're not getting those. Basically. Yeah. You're hitting two food groups.

Yeah. Good news. I mean, acidophilus. I mean, we just heard about all of the benefits of acidophilus. This is the early nineties. Everyone's going, you know, bonkers over acidophilus. I don't know. What is that?

It's like the live cultures and yogurt. I remember my dad was like, we need that acidophilus. And I was like, what? I remember we would eat, drink like like we need that acidophilus and i was like what i remember we would eat drink like capfuls of acidophilus and shit he was he was all about that digestive shit my family was big on yogurt and grape nuts that was that was our staple hey you're getting that acidophilus anyway i was getting there they didn't tell me they knew i couldn't pronounce or remember those sorts of words but anyways my name is jack o'brien aka lala lalapalooza that is courtesy vince jensen i think i mispronounced lalapalooza on the trending episode tuesday when we talked about it there's also we missed a big we missed a big story announced attached to Lollapalooza

that we're gonna have to get to a little later on today but one of the names on that marquee that announced all the people who are performing at Lollapalooza was David Solomon formerly DSAL currently CEO of Goldman Sachs and and also an electronic music DJ. So we need to talk about that. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! And it seems to me that you lived your life like a candle you can eat. Slowly turning into gravy for me to drown my meat okay shout out to scouting magoo on the discord yes the kfc gravy candle amongst other things uh like eating apples from the bottom

has also taken over the discourse on this show first that was the first not non uh apple from the bottom i know aka in.a. in weeks. There was something about Elton John in a gravy candle that I couldn't say no to. So shout out to you, Scouty Magoo on the discord. Yeah, yeah. Well, Miles, we are thrilled, fortunate to be joined in our third seat by an Emmy nominated host who has worked for The Onion, The Daily Show and advised the Obama White House. He's a New York Times bestselling author. Heard of that. Delivered what Brian Williams called

one of the greatest TED Talks of all time. And most importantly, by far, more important than any of that bullshit, is the creator and host of How to Citizen with Baratunde, one of the best podcasts on this or any network. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Baratunde Thurston! Baratunde! one of the best podcasts on this or any network. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Baratunde Thurston! Oh my goodness. I am actually my most important bio link is that I'm a child of both grape nuts and excessive amounts of acidophilus.

So thank you both Jack Miles. Good to be reunited with y'all. Thanks for helping give birth to that podcast. And it's good to be here on your show. The Dillies are good. Yeah. Wait, so you were on that acidophilus? Oh, yeah.

My mom was into cod liver oil, acidophilus, like anything that was in the health food co-op. And she said the word a lot. There were little, we had to keep it in the refrigerator. We took acidophilus caplets, so we didn't drink it. I never knew that was an option. Oh, got you. You had the dried supplement.

It's a great word to say. It is a word that I will now be finding a way to inject just so I can get my mouth around it. Acidophilus. It's a good stage name, too. Like DJ Acidophilus. Yeah. David Solomon, are you listening? Acidophilus.

Yeah, it sounds like an amazing, just trippy background. It has a psychedelic vibe to it. That's really all the rage now. If Jim Henson had let the acid take hold a little bit longer and stronger, that would have been the name of Snuffleupagus.

Right, Acidophilus. Yes, oh man. Snuffy just out there in the streets, just unhinged. I want to see that. But all he would do is just wave his hand in front of his face, be like, getting these trails on my arm. Like, what? Acidophilus.

Oh, man. Those eyelashes. Dropping acidophilus. Dropping some acidophilus right down the esophagus. It is a word that seems like it was designed to be used by Ghostface Killer at some point. Right. The fact that he didn't use it,

as far as I know. We got to check that out. Got to look up the literature. I mean, if you go to full name, lactobacillus acidophilus. Look at this educated, quick, good-looking person over here. I just had to Google that. I had to Wikipedia that one.

Summoned it. Right. But yeah. Yeah. L-acidophilus. Oh, wow, wow. Well, happy days to both of y'all. Good to be here. Yeah, you as well. All right. Well, Barry Tunde, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. Mike Braun,

Senator Mike Braun's Klan hood seemed to have slipped off momentarily in an interview. Threw that back on, but did a bad job. It was still visible, even in his apology statement. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about Mo Brooks. Mo Brooks is always a treat. The man who spoke at the January 6th rally and yelled, are you ready to sacrifice your blood? That was a bad Mo Brooks. But we got to talk about this man. We're going to talk about the TikTok to Hollywood pipeline. So we'll talk about all that plenty more. But before we get to any of it, we do like to ask our guests, Baritone there what is something from your search history okay uh the word sharding uh was recently added to my search history okay yeah did you not know what it was

you just yeah not sharting sharding with a d sharding yeah yeah it's fine i kind of we're gonna get our heads out the gutter i heard a little giggle and I was like, oh, they're not thinking the same word I'm thinking. Not crypto-minded over here. More middle school-minded. Middle school-minded. Got that middle school mindset. Yeah, yeah. I've been diving more into this crypto world and the way that it could affect our world for better and for worse.

And I saw this profile of uh vitalik buterin the ethereum founder yeah i talked about it the other day and the article mentions sharding and i thought that it was a time profile of him to cover story and the author of this article just dropped the word sharding like everybody knows what it means there are a couple moments like yeah and i know a lot about computer stuff and i'd like to read the bitcoin white paper don't mean to brag but you know in its original english like i just i dug the whole nine pages i was like i don't think i know what sharding is and it's where you distribute a database across multiple servers so the concept is pretty basic but the

word is not common so for the writers at time you know define your terms yeah you you put more words, people don't know, then you're less likely to ask questions like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Or people think it's sharting. No, I know that we hate that. Right. And they're like, Oh, so like a wet fart. Yeah. We definitely don't want wet farts. That's right. Unless you do, unless you do, which is, which is fine. I mean, I don't know. Are you not here to judge the wet fart brigade? You don't want, we definitely don't want wet farts. Right. Unless you do, which is fine. I mean, I don't know. Are you not here to judge the wet fart brigade? You don't want to get taken out by that? I don't want wet fart Twitter to come for me.

They're going to come for you. Sharting Twitter is coming for you. It was raised as something good or like a possibility of something that like Vitalik wants them to invest in. So here's what's really fascinating. I don't remember. I might do a quick miles and look it up because I was so distracted and disappointed by them just dropping the word in there

that I went down this rabbit hole to look it up. And then I came back to the article and didn't even reread the sentence that they used it in. I was like, now I know more stuff. Good for me anyway. Now, as a crypto and nft skeptic i found that article pretty enlightening both i hadn't really read anybody who like did a good job of kind of laying out the the promise of crypto all that all that well but at the same time like a lot of the things it does seem like the thing sort of gravitates towards the same problems over and over again yeah we i mean i i think i i'm a hopeful

person for better and what is going on here sorry about that audio interference there uh because we didn't hear anything oh you didn't hear it it was in my head, the advertising hellscape that we were subject to. I pulled up the time autoplay was assaulted by an autoplay ad for Google, which is great because it's like the opposite of the decentralized world that we started talking about. Have you heard of Google? Have you heard of this place, Google? I wouldn't get into that. Miles, why don't you look it up real quick on the search engine? It's weird when I search it, it's just the homepage comes up for Google. What the? I'm rolling my sleeves up real quick.

Oh, my goodness. So, yeah, so they were they just quoted him talking about like if we don't have sharding fast enough, people might migrate to other more centralized solutions. Basically, if the Ethereum service isn't fast enough, people will roll off onto something else. But to the larger point, I'm optimistic and skeptical at the same time. I like the idea of building a whole new world. And I'm skeptical that it will just happen on its own and we need more people nudging this new opportunity

towards something that can serve more of us. Left to its own devices, we will be overrun by the get rich off of GIFs brigade and JPEGs. And I don't think that's the world I want to be living in. But I don't write off the whole thing. I think it's really, it's worth understanding. And for me, it's worth participating to help push it towards something better than the current hell. All right.

How much of a daunting task do you see that as being? Because I feel like as you're an optimist, I look at it and I'm like, right, all the same problems are happening because once you factor in human greed, it's off to the races. So are we on the verge of seeing something that is more in line with what the optimistic read of what crypto can give us is? Are we closer to that? Because right now it seems like the greedy people are winning the PR war. this tech. I think there's enough folks who have been skeptical of how tech will just magically create a better world. Like if we just give every kid a laptop, they'll definitely only use it for educational purposes and that'll make the world a better place. Like that didn't happen. And we've seen the harm, whether it's like teen suicide stuff, body image, misinformation, all the stuff that you well know, we can't plead ignorance anymore. And we are capable of creating new

stuff. Like we've created new countries. Sometimes they work out, sometimes they don't. But I'm hoping that that increased awareness is brought to bear on how we build the thing. From a direct evidence perspective, it seems to me, and I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but there's a higher percentage of participation

in this wave of internet slash finance by say black people than there was at Web 2 and Web 1 or other financial tools that we were explicitly barred from participating in, like home ownership, that little thing. So I think there's a historical hunger by certain communities to make sure that we're at the table rather than on the table in this time around. We're at the table rather than on the table in this time around. And there's no guarantees. And skepticism is well earned.

But I think merely being skeptical for me, it just paralyzes me. And so let's get in there and try not to get distracted by the current noise and hope that from a regulatory perspective and a creative perspective, we set up things that are better serving us than what we are trying to exit from. Right, right, right. What is something you think is overrated? Oh my goodness. Overrated. Acidophilus? No, but I say this as a still new Californian. I've been here three years now. And I think In-N-Out Burger is extraordinarily overrated. Yeah. All right.

Yeah. Go ahead, Myles. No, I got another thing. I got another thing. I got another thing. I got another thing about that. Myles is openly weeping right now. To be more specific, the fries, they should stop selling fries.

That's the one thing I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Not great. they taste like cardboard even when you do the hack and the double frying thing they require so much ketchup they're just they're not they're not good they're dried out nasty and they taste like packaging that you would put the burger in but i don't double fry. I ask for a light fry. I like weepy and soggy. Oh, yeah. Like little mashed potato sticks. I talk about this a lot. Be like, what's wrong with you?

I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. But that's really how I operate. But yeah, I definitely, you know, I think the more that like this take comes up, I'm the less inclined i am to be like what the fuck because because they're not paying you no not even then i'm like when i look at i'm like i used to eat it out a lot like when i was in college that was like the height of eating for me but as i get older and i'm like i don't need to eat that much sodium like on the regular because let's be real the secret to any the reason why people think in-Out tastes good is because those patties are salted to high hell.

And now that I don't eat as much, I'm like, yeah, I mean, there are other burgers out there that I prefer to eat. But, you know, it is what it is. I'm less tied to like the regional defense of In-N-Out, especially now because they're, you know, they have interesting business practices too. especially now because they're you know they have interesting business practices too so now the 90 of your cellular matter is not made up of in and out burger food like yeah i've heard i'm proud of you thank you yeah evolution yeah yeah my arteries thank me as well i think my blood pressure cuff my wife just she's you know normally does not fuck with fast food at all like or even yeah she's very strict about like what our kids are allowed to eat what she's allowed to eat she went to in and out with our kids like a couple weeks ago and came back singing the praises of

like she discovered that you can put chili peppers in like all of the chilies yeah and that apparently really like plussed it up for her to the to the degree that i might be able to go to in and out burger with my family again at some point in the future the degree to which they have more items not on the menu than on the menu right uh i also find troublesome right it actually it kind of reminds me of the NFT world, to bring it back to the crypto and Ethereum. It's like we have a secret community. It's like their little

Discord server and you've got to unlock stuff with just the right passphrase. They are the original. You don't know about animal fries? Is it on the menu? Oh, is it on the menu? Fool.

Fucking no-coiner over here. It's like not knowing about sharding. You know what I mean? Right. Exactly. Just look like an asshole out here. What is something you think is underrated? I think empty time in the schedule is underrated.

I think basically non-productive time is severely underrated by myself and by the wider society that always wants you to be hustling and doing and demonstrating how much you're hustling and doing. And just like emptiness is a great feature. Is this a new realization? Is this something, a philosophy you've held dear? Because I know in the time we've worked together, I'm like, I think Baratunde is like one of the most hardest working people I've ever met. He has 900 things going on all the time. At all times. Okay.

Maybe this is, how do we get here? That's an excellent and an intimate question. Because it is something that I don't always believe and I certainly don't always practice. So it's a realization I've come to a number of times. Right. But every time I rediscover it, I'm like, all right, I don't like I need to schedule blank spots to just have time to think loosely, like not listening to a podcast, not binging on some programming, not in a meeting not writing not intentionally making

anything happen just like space the final frontier and so it's it's new again and it's something i really just have been feeling over the past week as i had the thought that you have about me from the outside i also share from like oh maybe i'm up to too many things um and how am i gonna push to get it all done and instead but then in my mind i'm like that's how you become a best-selling author i'm like well this kind of ties into what we were going to talk about with tiktok and like that that pipeline because yeah i i have the underlying question of whether you know our next generation of like great actors and directors and creators are being just swallowed up by not like busy work,

but like the very small and disposable creations of like social media, you know, like, Oh, okay. Okay. We're going, we're going into the deep end of the pool kids.

You know, that, that ties back to just the importance of boredom. Yeah. That, that's a, that's another way of saying what I was thinking about underrated. And I think we, we perform productivity, right? We, it's kind of hard to show that you're not doing things or you

feel some sense of shame if you just post like, just chilling, doing nothing. And also maybe you're not doing nothing because you just posted about how you're doing nothing. Right. But yeah, there's just, there's so much of our, I have definitely drank the Kool-Aid or actually, I don't know if I drank it. I think I've been like waterboarded by the Kool-Aid of productivity. And so it ended up in my digestive system, but also in my lungs and my eyes and like every other part, because we're trying to get ahead. Like we're trying to generate more.

We're trying to achieve and, and feel like we have some purpose. And that's so much tied up in just doing a bunch of stuff. Right. So just pausing to, to get off of that race off of that track is quite difficult. And then, you know,

we set up an economy where it's kind of required to, right. Because, you know, it's, it's hard to afford a home. You know, right because you know it's it's hard to afford a home you know even if you have money it's hard to afford you don't have money like it nope you know so there's a there's a there's a trap that we're locked in around this productivity thing that occasionally rears its head and i'm like oh there's another way to be

right yeah and then i crank out some tiktoks about my newfound insights right follow me follow me follow me follow me at third eye baritone day yeah yep sign up for my course uh was that was like the hustle culture where do you think it got really big like in college was was at university does it get like that because you know you're at a really competitive school, a lot of people achieving things. Is that sort of like the beginning of sort of completely cementing this philosophical pitfall? I think it was, you know, I grew up with a deep sense of the sacrifice my mother made to provide me with a lot of opportunities to shield me from some of the more perilous parts of life growing up in the crack wars, DC eighties, all of that. So I think I carried a little bit of a burden of debt where like, I gotta earn this. I gotta be the return on her investment.

And then by the time I got to college, it was a safe place to experiment with wildly unhealthy behaviors about trying to get ahead. I tried to sleep every other night for a couple months or a couple of weeks. Or then I would do like, I'll do four hours tonight and eight hours tomorrow night, four hours tonight, eight hours tomorrow night. Or just push myself to not sleep and see how much I could get done, which I'm still convinced is why I don't remember a lot of college. I didn't drink at all during college. There was no binge drinking or any of that destroying brain cells. It was just, but the same effect happens through sleep deprivation.

When I started learning about the long-term health effects, that helped slow me down. When I met my now wife, Elizabeth, she is the opposite. She really respects contemplation, time to synthesize, rest. And she rubbed off on me, I think a little more than I rubbed off on her, which is, I think that healthy for both of us, which is, you know, encouraging me to, to pause and breathe. And then what I found is maybe, you know, to your point, Jack, about creative production, I can have bigger and better ideas if I'm not constantly cranking out tiny ideas. And so just creating, it's a little, it takes a bit of faith because you don't see it in the short term. You're like, but I'm not doing anything in the next five minutes to prove

that I'm a productive member of society. But over the next 50 minutes, my mind is just processing a lot of the stuff that it's consumed. And then five weeks from now, maybe I come up with something. I just have an idea, quote unquote. But it's the idea is the result of space that, you know, the hamster wheel would never allow me for. So it's one of those things you have to like trust, you know, a different process and just know that things might emerge on the other side rather than what you can see tangibly in the short term and like pushing pushing pushing yeah yeah so um tiktok is bad i don't know i still wake up at three every morning and work out like mark walberg and the rock good for you wait really do you really wake up at three in the morning oh i i just find that

like that's the new unhealthy sleep habit du jour that people are like this this means you're truly on your grind right is if you wake up like at the time that most people are like just starting to enter rem sleep and uh and start lifting weights that's mark Mark Wahlberg and The Rock both do this? Yeah, I believe so. I know Mark Wahlberg does. I mean, it helps that they have probably personal butlers and private trainers and people to take care of all the other stuff that the rest of us have to do. Yeah.

Who just take over driving when they fall asleep at the wheel. Yes. When they're going to drive. It's like, yeah, Mark Wahlberg has to wake up and then eat a meal that's prepared for him and work out with a person that's waiting for him to walk him through it and then he gets in his like cryo chamber or whatever it is right right he's like pop some acidophilus you know exactly beer bong a gallon of acidophilus and then you go bro all right let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk some politics.

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And we're back. Actually, everybody good? Anyone need a break? No, but I will drink a sip of this water. Acidophilus. It's my wall bird juice. Acidophilus. That aloe vera.

I remember that was another thing my dad would have us drinking. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think we had the same parents. I think, you know, black boomers, there was a moment where like health supplements were like the greatest thing you could do for yourself because there were it was like fads and then my grant my dad's parents were getting like all these other things like they were trying they got caught up in tahitian

noni the tahitian noni scam i don't even know about that it was like it's like any it's like herbal life but okay okay back then they're like this is the secret of tahitians and then it happened in my grandparents church one person was selling it in their church and then my grandfather was like a hustler was like well i can make some money off of this and then like we ended up with like boxes of it that no one wanted and see this is this is also a consequence of slavery you know this is what happens when you just take shit from people generation after generation then we're just like we will do anything to get ahead to get a leg up to like be seen as a damn human being to restore our strength right or that

there's this deficit that is like infinite eternally having to be addressed in some way and like whether that's health or financially there's always this feeling yeah no for sure thanks america and we're back whether that's health or financially, there's always this feeling. Yeah, no, for sure. Thanks, America. And we're back. Keep that in the show. Yeah, leave all that. Yeah. Yeah.

You just came back early from break, but now we're back to the show. Now we're back. Now we're back to the show. We're going to talk Mike Braun. Is that how we're pronouncing his name yeah i want to say brown brown brown braun whatever yeah so he was doing an interview because you know the supreme court is the big topic this week uh he was just blabbing on about how he thought roe was judicial activism even though it was very popular at the time and still very popular with a majority of the country.

And then the reporter asked him, well, if you're like so into states making decisions, what do you think of? Let's just pull one at random. Loving versus Virginia. Oh, OK. Loving versus Virginia. Oh, the decision that legalized interracial marriage yeah yeah a decision that the supreme court unanimously decided in favor of because it was so clear that the racial integrity act of 1924 in virginia was such a violation of

the the loving's constitutional rights okay let's hear his answer because i'm sure he really thought this one out so we'll just cut into partial his answer where he's just being set up. He's like, well, what do you think of loving? And he starts blabbing on about, well, you can't have it both ways and what? So he's begins to talk about, you know, the diversity of our federal system. You can't have it both ways. When you want that diversity to shine within our federal system they're going to be rules and proceedings they're going to be out of sync with maybe what other states would do it's a beauty of the system and that's where the differences among points of view in our 50 states ought to express themselves.

And I'm not saying that rule would apply in general, depending on the topic, but it should mostly be in general, because it's hard to have it on issues that you just are interested in when you deny it for others with a different point of view. So you would be okay with the Supreme Court leaving the question of interracial marriage to the states? Yes, I think that that's something that if you're not wanting the Supreme Court to weigh in on issues like that,

you're not going to be able to have your cake and eat it too. I think that's... Okay. Yeah. Wow. What year are we in right now this you can't have your cake and eat it too especially if that cake is a is a chocolate vanilla swirl kind of situation right 100 i mean he said it's hard to have it on issues that like so he's talking generally right, that there's these philosophical beliefs, whether it be abortion or interracial marriage. It's hard to have it on issues that you are interested in when you deny it to others with a different point of view.

So it's not like, again, I'm trying to put myself even in the position of the aggrieved person who's against interracial marriage is like, well, they shouldn't let people. It's such a odd like that's such a bizarre philosophical point to sort of like underline to say like, yeah, you know, the time honored tradition of racism. What is that from? Like, where are we coming from? Also, Clarence Thomas, Mitch McConnell, where are y'all? They're coming for you. I think it's so wild because I read about this moment. Also, Clarence Thomas, Mitch McConnell, where are y'all? They're coming for you. I think it's so wild because I read about this moment. And my first thought was he didn't understand the question. I really wanted to be generous with this person. And I saw a little piece of the transcript where the reporter asked about loving.

And I thought he was being discriminatory toward a group that he felt more comfortable with. I thought he assumed it was like a same-sex marriage. Like anybody can love anybody and it's love matters and love conquers all. And he's like, not in my state. And that is still horrible, but I thought he was comfortable with that horror. But then actually hearing the full clip, he had clarified twice in the setup and then in the follow-up. And I think he thought he was being really thoughtful, just looking at his body language on that. And he's like, I'm just trying to be consistent with my beliefs here. So yeah, we'd have to revisit basic human rights across the country. And that is terrifying and also simple minded and kind of dumb.

And he he's he's he's wearing glasses, too. He's got a suit. He's like in an official stature position. But it seems pretty idiotic to me. And I just feel bad for his constituents. Yeah. And he you know, I think the second he said that, I mean, if his staff's worth anything, they probably all simultaneously slapped their foreheads in disbelief, and were like, you're gonna have to make a statement, like, immediately, because naturally, when that clip came out, people were like, who is this man?

I think he's from, that there must have been a time machine from the antebellum South that got fired up, and then this guy appeared as a senator today, and this was his defense. OK, that was, you know, really an interesting attempt at defending those words. Quote, I misunderstood a line of questioning that ended up being about interracial marriage. Let me be clear on that issue. There is no question. He goes on to say racism is bad.

It shouldn't even be up for debate, discrimination and quote, I condemn racism in any form at all levels and any, and by any States entities or individuals. It sounds like he's not applying his deeply held beliefs in general. Then, you know, right. If he's finding exceptions to the States, then maybe there should be other ones,

you know, do we think his staff slapped their forehead like that that that was coming from somewhere like i i just i don't want to be too easy on not just him but like the country to be like look at this dipshit like what a what a baffling error like that i don't know this this is the sort of thing that people are more willing and open about coming out and saying they believe. And like, I don't know, like they probably saw some backlash before they put the statement out. And like he's very fucking clear about what he's saying in that. Like there's there's no he didn't he didn't trip into that like that.

I think, well, this is where I kind of begin to see things right. Like Mike Braun isn't one of these like lawyers who becomes a senator. He's like one of these business, you know, private sector to Senate guys. So he's not he hasn't. So I'd imagine he probably got his like Federalist Society, you know, talking point email and was having to say certain things. And then like he's being asked stuff he doesn't really know about. And then it's just like, yeah, man, everything's basically on the table. I'm not to say that his staff is like, we're all about inclusivity and we, you know,

we stand in interracial marriage. But I think on some level, just knowing how the optics of Capitol Hill politics work, they're like, oh, my oh my god but the federalist society which is like a massively powerful and successful like you know has huge sway over the supreme court like this is a you know could be seen as a like like what they essentially believe like it they wouldn't put that in their email yeah you're not supposed to say it out loud they're not exactly but but that is like kind of the logical conclusion of some of the things they believe that that part i think you know he he skipped ahead to the to the end where we're not we're not a nation anymore we resort back to colonies and independent states and federations and confederations with differently held beliefs.

Somewhere you pay people for their labor and somewhere you just take it. Somewhere you respect land and somewhere you just take it. Somewhere you respect people's body of autonomy and somewhere you just take it. And I think that's the world that they're going for, or at least the world where companies decide these things more than we the people. I was watching Sheldon Whitehouse during these confirmation hearings for Katonji Brown Jackson, and I never really paid much attention. I never heard him orate before, the senator. He was very clear about some of what's at stake. And the idea Yeah. for a handful of issues that support wings of the Republican, you know, constituency and the corporate constituency. And then they're comfortable with the collateral damage that that will wreak

on the rest of us, you know, in every other way. They just don't care. Yeah. Sheldon Whitehouse, when he like literally was pulling out receipts and flashcards, like y'all want to talk about dark money right okay that was what you said dark yeah money so katanji okay and he even said there's dark money everywhere on both sides and he's like and we need to get rid of it trust me but when he was starting to be like look at how much money you've been spending on the last three confirmations it was pretty hard at that point for people to keep you know being like oh yeah Judicial Crisis Network is also has a huge hand in all this. But, yeah, he's a he was he was very effective with those posters for sure.

Got to watch that CRT money. Oh, yeah, exactly. Do we want to talk Mo Brooks real quick? This just thing. What did he do this time? Oh, it's just all falling apart for old Mo. So, you know, he goes hard for Trump.

Like, real hard. Like, in a way that is kind of desperate. And you can tell even Trump is like, dude, not in front of people. It's beneath even you. Don't actually lick my boots, man.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Easy, whoa easy easy so just to put remind people because apparently we did cover the this uh his defense again so he came out said like are y'all ready to sacrifice your blood oh at the jan 6 uh gathering yeah that led eric swalwell to take him to court and also that jan 6 rally where he wore fucking body armor and he was like oh yeah i was wearing body armor that day you're like oh but you didn't know where things were okay no go on anyway so you were wearing body armor he said you really spill your blood in the streets right eric swalwell took him to court and his defense against any wrongdoing was i'm just gonna going to read these bullet points. Okay, great. Yeah, let's hear this defense.

Number one, Brooks is 67 years old. There's seven. We're going to read four of them. Number one, Mo Brooks is 67 years old. Number two, Brooks has never smoked tobacco. Brooks does not consume alcohol. Brooks has never experimented with or taken illegal drugs. So, okay.

Five, Brooks has never had a DUI, a reckless driving ticket, or even a speeding ticket. Seven, Brooks has been married 45 years. Brooks has always been faithful to his wife. Together, they have raised four children, all of whom are married, none of whom have been divorced, all of whom are law-abiding, none of whom have ever been arrested for anything, all of whom have law-abiding, none of whom have ever been arrested for anything, all of whom have college degrees and jobs. Brooks' children have blessed him with 10 grandchildren, with two twins and another granddaughter on the way.

Yep. That was his defense. And why did he utter these statements? Why did his team issue this? Because somebody was pointing out that... He's just saying that the DOJ was sort of characterizing him in these lawsuits were, quote, fictional. And that's why this was to correct the record that he's some out of control insurrectionist. He's 67 years old and has never smoked a cigarette.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That definitely means he didn't say what we all saw him say. No, no, no. That's why it's like so sad, right? He spent weeks ducking process servers too. Like it was a long road to this where they were trying to serve him with papers. He was like ducking out of back rooms,

doing everything to avoid getting served these papers. So that's just, yeah, that's sort of the- That's all preamble. Intellectual backdrop. So what's going on with Mo right now then? So he's- So, you know, again, that's sort of the preamble. Intellectual backdrop. So what's going on with Mo right now then? So, you know, again, he's a simp for Trump. And Trump basically said, hey, you know what? Good job on the January 6th stuff, being a total, you know, seditionist.

Thanks for having my back. Be willing to spill blood for me. Also, shout out to you for being one of the few people who voted against making Juneteenth a national holiday. Yes, we see your CV. And here's a Senate endorsement for you. Then once the poll numbers started rolling in, he could tell that like the polling shows that like a sentient, like roll tide banner has a better shot at office than this dude does right now. So Trump has been like, been like, Oh no, usually like when he endorses somebody, that's his whole thing. He's like, when I endorse them, they win. But he saw those polls and he's like, yikes.

So at first, you know, Brooks made it easy to give Trump a reason because he out loud was like, yeah, you know, the thing about the 2020 election is, you know, he may he may have to move on from that, which you don't say if you want that endorsement. And when he said that, Trump was like, it's really unfortunate that he went, he's becoming woke. And now I have to think about it, whether or not I want to endorse him, which led Brooks in such a scramble to try and prove his loyalty to Trump. He goes out and he cuts an ad to try and be like, I hate Mitch McConnell.

While he is running for Senate in fucking Alabama, he's spending millions to run a TV ad about how he hates Mitch McConnell to get on Trump's good graces. And I will play a bit of that so you can just hear the desperation or whatever in his voice to show people that he is on the right side.

I unveil my pledge to America to fire Mitch McConnell. If elected to the Senate, I will not vote for Mitch McConnell for leader, and I will do everything in my power to ensure that Republicans choose a conservative to be leader. America can't afford a Senate leader who is a wheat-kneed, debt-junkie, open-border rhino Republican, and who, worse yet, sells out America for special interest group cash. Today, Mitch's cash is coming at me again because I am a principal conservative and have President Trump's endorsement.

Not anymore. Not anymore. Sorry. This is so sad. Yeah. And you're like, oh, right right because the number one issue for your voters is mitch mcconnell is a weak need right i mean like honestly mitch mcconnell this this guy's like fucking like nosferatu like he cannot he cannot be defeated there is no killing

yeah he killed it only makes him stronger we saw his body turn blue and what is dead can never die he was necrotizing before our eyes and he somehow pulled it together and is still running things in the senate and so despite all that trump's he came out he said quote brooks made a horrible mistake recently when he went woke and stated referring to the 2020 presidential election scam, put that behind you, put that behind you. Here's what is actually kind of depressing. We have so much information, so much record of who Trump is and how he treats people and how he's not loyal to anyone. He destroys everyone anyone everyone he will sacrifice everybody yeah and yet mo brooks thinks he's special you know and like all these people

keep showing up demonstrating fealty knowing that it's gonna fail but you so that that's an to me that's like that's the reason you don't vote for the guy. Like, you have terrible judgment. You can't stand up. You're willing to, like, shuck and jive in this way and try to, like, attach yourself. The guy is literally stabbing you in the face. Right. And you're just like, I love face stabbing.

It's the best kind of stabbing, you know, because you can see it coming. And then I can prepare myself for the brain, you know, wounds that are going to come from it and i will do the same for you the people of alabama right and the scars are a lifelong memory that you will always keep with you forever when you look in the mirror like you will know that i have no spine whatsoever from git yeah is is that what he always talks like is that i've never seen anyone who the stupidity like comes more strongly off of their person like that's like he may have never had a drink but like that shit is like whiskey on someone's breath like the he's just that that is palpable hell yeah i I've seen him like in the January 6th shit, but I had never seen him kind of relaxed and speaking, just attempting to act like he's speaking extemporaneously. And man, that is rough going. And that was him under ideal circumstances.

Yeah. The perfect circumstances. Like that was pre-recorded, well lit, well mic'd. Edited. Edited. They cut the bad parts. I'll take that again. I mean, you could have done multiple versions of that.

But that is a bit of a stretch to call Mitch McConnell an open borders rhino. Like, sir? That's the other part, too. I'm like, really? There's so many other things. If you're going to be like a nativist or some some weird version of a maga you know deplorable to go after mitch mcconnell but just like mischaracterizing him completely it's like okay so you don't even know mitch mcconnell is

but okay you read a quick spreadsheet and you're like okay here's some buzzwords to attach to mitch mcconnell to get trump's uh attention and it failed it failed he dropped that one he dropped that mixtape and then trump was like i bet i bet i bet mo brooks's true social account hasn't even been activated yet like he's still on the wait oh yeah right i'm still on the wait list right it's not working right i mean yeah he's like yeah his number he's like even like at the very last one. It's like it even says, just don't bother. I know. We'll let you know. Come back never.

What number am I? Just don't forget about it, Mo. Forget about it. All right. Let's take another quick break and then we'll come back and talk about the TikTok to Hollywood pipeline and my favorite DJ. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult. And I'm Clea Gray, former member of 7M Films and Shekinah Church. And we're the host of the new podcast, Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

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up and like give them you know manage their careers a little bit and yeah it's a it's an industry in transition. Yeah. Like the whole thing, I feel like just the whole internet celebrity to make, or, you know, traditional media celebrity is like, it's always sort of, there's always been this tension between like how people move between the spaces. And, you know, early on, we kind of saw the difficulty a lot of YouTubers had when they made the switch to TV. Like Grace Helbig is someone who stands out who got a show on VH1. And a lot of people are like, oh, this is one of the biggest sketch comedians on YouTube or comedians on YouTube, now going to be on VH1. And the audiences just didn't migrate. So I think most people would

look at that and wonder, well, they have millions of subscribers and views on YouTube. How come that didn't translate to TV? And people began to realize, okay, platforms are different. The way people migrate between the two aren't the same. And then we began to see this like wave of places like maker studios or full screen or awesomeness TV, where these companies were trying to really level up YouTube content creators. And it kind of worked, you know, like these were massive operations that were just trawling for views and generating a lot of revenue. But then that died out, too. And now that TikTok has sort of like become this new breeding ground for young talent.

We're seeing companies now who are trying to get in sort of that be that conduit between bigger deals and just these younger celebrities. So they're kind of like hype houses that we see and hear about now with TikTok. There are these networks that are dedicated to putting influencers in like more elevated productions. You know, it's something with a little bit of lighting, a little bit of, you know, using an Alexa to shoot it rather than an iPhone. And just liking to just say, you know, getting audiences used to seeing them a certain way. And there's this company called Brat TV that there was this Vox article about where they

were just sort of speaking with this, the people that are running it. And this is just an interesting way of how they sort of look at how this sort of a company like this works. They say Fishman, who's one of the founders of the company, he says, sees influencers working with Brat

as something like a first stop in the industry. It brings them to a place where they can start having conversations with the platforms or the advertisers and industry folks that lets them build businesses beyond posting short form content which is great it's an incredible amount of work and then he's talking about how user-generated content is cheap but there's something missing from the media ecosystem which is digestible entertainment that's professionally produced and just sort of an emphasis on that like we're

getting them used to this more professional style of production and maybe that transitions them there. But it's when you look at a lot of how these micro influencers are these days, it's almost like they're kind of in this lane of trying to do as much as possible. It's not just that they're on TikTok. It's like they're on TikTok. They have a podcast. They have a merch store. They do these other things. And it's never just sort of like one thing where previously it almost felt like you're a YouTuber who does this thing. Let's try and like move you into this way. But I think now we're seeing at least companies and agencies, they see the potential for like multiple revenue streams with these types of talent. And I don't know, it's an interesting evolution to watch.

And like, what does it even mean? How are they even defining success now is what I'm curious about, because is it like a million subscribers? Is it the most branded deals? Is it how many downloads you get on a podcast? And, you know, YouTube and Funny or Die, I think gave people a way to showcase their talents

without sort of these obstacles of the formal entertainment industry. But we're just seeing this continuation of this trend where there's barriers to entry. People figure out how to, you know, strike it, you know, rich on their own. And then trying to see how companies can then be like, OK, how do I monetize this person now and bring them into this more traditional industry? now and bring them into this more traditional industry and it's i'm you know i think that's why as i wrote this you know jack you had a lot of it got your got your brain going as to sort of what's you know what's actually happening here you got my old ass brain going because my my old head thought first thought is like why are there not more like young people who start as like, OK, this is this person had millions and millions of followers on YouTube. And then like now they are like a certified movie star.

Like it feels like that should be happening more just based on, you know, how much young talent is coming up and where the young talent I hear about, there does seem to be sort of a line between the influencer and then the more established celebrity, people who appear in movies, TV shows. There are obviously exceptions, like Donald Glover. I first knew about him from his NYU sketch group. And then it does seem like it's people who also like immediately get the attention of the mainstream. Like Donald Glover was in the sketch troupe and then he was like the next thing you hear about him, he's writing for 30 Rock.

And then he's like in community and he's like's immediately scooped up by the major agencies, right? Yeah, well, I think, but even then, right, people, like as someone who was also trying to do sketch comedy on the internet, that was a way to be like, well, this is how, we still had our eyes on the formal entertainment industry. It just felt like, well, here's the way to get attention, to enter that. Whereas maybe now it seems like even now the end game is slightly different for a lot of people, especially younger talent who are like, I don't necessarily need to be on TV because like I can be an influencer, do a podcast, make my money and just live how I want to. So I think there's

probably philosophically some differences on how people move because we're still seeing like young people come up and be actors and things. But yeah, I'm curious to see like if it's splitting a lot of the attention to say like, oh, this is this is the sort of end point that you want to arrive at is this micro celebrity. judgments on like which is better tiktok youtube or like being in an oscar nominated film or whatever is is the fact that there aren't more influencers who are crossing over into that just because they're too like that's a full-time career that's an even more of more of a full-time career than being like a movie star like you know making when you have to make like create a relationship with old spice and like tend to that relationship and create a bunch of content for old spice like is that draining the talent pool that like traditional media gets to work with this is a question that i have i don't know yeah i mean i align with this idea that a lot of these people don't necessarily want to cross over anymore.

Yeah. The place that they're crossing to is getting weaker and weaker. Yeah. With all the debt that these entertainment companies have taken on, scandals that they have. And you see how narrow that funnel is. There's like thousands and thousands of professional actors and only a handful that everybody knows. Like being in an Oscar nominated film is still pretty random pretty random yeah you have to be in a certain set so so there is something more desirable about

maybe controlling your your fate and your destiny and coming up with like different revenue streams and owning the audience you know yourself too i mean a lot of what happens as you elevate in the traditional model is you give up the the list you give up, like they're not, the viewers are not your viewers anymore. They're like a viewers of a network and you have like many layers of lawyers and business people between you and them. And a lot of them, they're really good at that. And that's not television.

Right. Yeah. That is a whole nother medium. And maybe they can make more money on games and like launching their own crypto coin and doing an online course yeah and having subscriptions and like none of most of the traditional people don't know how to do any of those things right so there's you know there's probably still some draw to like be a movie star because people like bigger cameras right but i think there's more opportunity to not do that and still try to make some kind of money

without totally destroying yourself yeah if that's the, that's making our movies and TV shows worse because we're not getting extremely talented people because there's all this gatekeeping and all those lawyers and agents, managers that stand in the way that make it less attractive than the short-form content. And that's just not a thing you hear. You don't hear like,

well, movies are getting worse because of the talent drain of all these young people who no longer give a fuck. I think you just connected something for me. So movies kind of have been getting worse in the sense that they've been getting more stale, right? It's all built on legacy IP. It's like massive superhero stuff. And people don't go to the theaters because just the attention economy, we have so many more choices. So every moment I'm scrolling on my phone through a TikTok, I'm not watching some highly produced content out of one of 20 different streaming services. And that competition, I think that shift in demand, shift in viewership, it comes to a shift in investment and it comes to a shift in attracting talent. man shift in viewership. It comes to a shift in investment and it comes to a shift in attracting talent. And people are like, oh, but I'm spending 10 hours a week in this video game world. Maybe

that's where I invest. And so it might not just be the talent, the producers, the executives, the investors, they're all like, oh, not everybody wants to spend two and a half hours in a theater away from their home watching just one story. Right. Ooh, we should, we should shift that around. Okay. So the whole world's collapsing. Thank you. But I'm even, I'm, I'm, I'm sure to a certain point too, right? It's like just out of survival that it's probably easy to, on your phone, find a way to enter the middle class, upper middle class with just a cell phone and you can just be you. And on some phone, find a way to enter the middle class, upper middle class with just a cell phone, and you can just be you. And on some level, I'm sure that is attractive versus like,

I'm not trying to be, I'm not really into acting. I would love to be in a world where I have a few talents, if I can share them and that helps support me, then that's a good life too. You know what I mean? And I think because you look at, if you just look at the numbers, you'd be like, well, statistically you're more likely to blow up on TikTok than you are to be on a Disney plus streaming show or prestige drama or something like that. So in a way it's like, well, that's it. I'm sure for younger people, it's like, well, that's a pretty simple way to have some kind of financial stability. And it might not be so much about like, I want a million views or whatever, but I can support myself doing something like

this. And I don't necessarily have to compromise who I am to do it. Like being myself can be enough in certain aspects. Now, many people will change their outward persona or whatever for clicks, but I think there is an appeal to, for some people to just say, I just need doing this. One thing I really like to do is potentially a way for me to just have a stable income and that's that's fine enough too like we have a list of people who succeeded it like started on online and then succeeded at some level in movies and you know lily singh donald glover grace helbig, Bo Burnham. But I do feel like they once they made the decision to like, you know, what now that Bo Burnham is releasing Netflix specials once a year like

that seems to be and like his movie career like seem to be his focus. So that's, you know, takes a lot of work. That's your producer back is pointing out quinta brunson also you know yeah so it's like seven people yeah but yeah i guess i'm wondering is there the only example i could think of of somebody who like continues to do it both places and just like the they feed off each other is lil nas x like just continues to just dominate both traditional music and like just be meme lord I feel like other other than that I I'd just be interested if we're gonna see more people who who are that way I mean I think you see some some traditional people they're drawn to some of what they can't do and they try to like make it on,

on a digital platform. Like the way Will Smith has leaned so hard into YouTube is I find pretty fascinating. And I see a lot of celebrities trying to jump on Tik TOK, at least from a trends perspective to just maintain their attention. You know, there's something that they can get from that, that they can't get from waiting for the movie they shot last year to come

out three years from now. Yeah. And so they can, they can have from that, that they can't get from waiting for the movie they shot last year to come out three years from now. Yeah. And so they can have a more consistent presence. This is all probably collapsing into a world where everybody who does anything performs it and then tries to monetize it, which is terrible, but also really liberating. Yeah. Everything, everywhere, all at once. Yeah. Which is a movie that comes out tomorrow

well i guess we're not gonna have a chance to talk about my favorite dj uh but maybe we'll talk about him on yesterday's trending episode for those of you listening that's the weird uh the weird time warp of listening to the daily zeitgeist but baritone it's been such a pleasure having you. I can't believe you do the show daily. And I'm in awe. And thank you so much for having me. Where can people find you, follow you,

listen to you, all that good stuff? Yes, yes. So howtocitizen.com is the home of the podcast that we all launched together and still continues. Please check that show out. We're three seasons in and gearing up for the fourth and it gives us some light in occasionally dark moments in our lives.

I am at Baratunde on all the social platforms. So find me where you're comfortable and I'll even leave folks with a phone number, 202-894-8844. Text me, 202-894-8844. Throw TDZ in there so I know how you found me. And that is kind of like a text mailing list subscription number. It's not my literal iPhone, but it is a service. I'm like, wow, that's DC. But that way I can point, point folks to all

kinds of things. And when I'm doing interactive stuff, I let folks know. Yeah. Yeah. So get at me on all those places uh puck media if you like long form dope insightful writing uh i'm a partner in that and we didn't talk much about it but uh google things or or duck duck go them or bing them or neva yes yeah do it all and uh pop that acidophilus y'all pop it yeah uh is there a tweet or any work of social media you've been enjoying? Ooh. Yeah. So a friend on Instagram shared a video of a four-year-old who was about to have a tantrum

and his six-year-old brother helped him manage his breathing and like help calm him down. There's two little black boys like interacting with each other on this holistic, healthy, calming way. And it wasn't a part of goop. It wasn't some high-end monetized platform. It was just a kid being in touch with his body and helping his little brother reconnect with that breath and chill out. And I'm sure the parents are very grateful for it. It's really, really, really, I've watched it multiple times. I love it.

Tell you who's not grateful is my kids because they never do that shit. Now there's the bar has been raised. You got to show them the video. Be like, this could be you. This could be you. See how this works. You can go viral. Miles, where can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying? You can go viral. Miles, where can people find you?

What is the tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. The new podcast, also you can find Jack and I on Mad Boosties. Miles and Jack got Mad Boosties, an NBA podcast. It's just a celebration of the NBA because we love the NBA. And they decided that they were willing to take a big risk working with us. So shout out to them. The title's so dumb.

Thank you. The title's so dumb, baby. But shout out to the NBA for approving it. But yeah, you'll see that coming up. Obviously, you'll hear a trailer coming up soon. So stick around for that in the coming days. Some tweets that I like. First one is from Kay at Klarwill,

K-A-Y-L-A-R-W-I-L-L tweeted. I love how when people are mad, they inconvenience themselves. They'll be like, I'll walk, L-M-F-A-O, or I'm not hungry. Like it's not self-torture. It's so true. It's always my favorite one. I remember my mom would always call me on that. Why don't I'll walk? She's like, all right, get out right one. I remember my mom would always call me on that. Well, I'll walk. She's like, all right, get out right there. Walk home. And I was like, I don't want to. You're right.

You win. You win. And then this one is so funny to me. Bluff followed like two seconds later by you win. All right, my bad. Right. And then this one from Matt at MattXIV. He said, new favorite tweet from a man. He's quote tweeting this picture of this guy who's showing a picture of Jamie Lynn Spears when she was like maybe 15 to her now.

And in one when she's younger, she has a side part. And then in this early in this like current picture, she has a part in the middle. And he says, how did she move where her hair was going growing from? Oh, oh, that's that's that qualifies you to be a a representative of senator for like yeah 100 i mean how did she move where her hair was growing from this is a hall of fame of stupidity episode like this she's not a people human. She's a lizard human. Hey, but I see what's going on. That is, by the way, underrated thing that Superman can do is that Clark Kent goes into, you know, the revolving doors with his part. His hair part of the left comes out as Superman hair part to the right because only Chad's part their hair to the right and only losers part it to the right because only chad's part their hair to the right and only uh losers

part it to the beta apparently yeah that almost never fails if you look at if you look at uh depictions of clare kent and superman anyways let's see tweet i've been enjoying amy solomon tweeted almost every movie is called deep water kind of kind of feels that way. What? I was confused. When people started talking about Deepwater, I was like, didn't that come out? But I think I was thinking of Deepwater Horizon. Yeah. Yeah.

It feels like too many movies have been named Deepwater. Deep Blue Sea could be distilled to Deepwater. So many movies reference Deepwater. The Abyss. Come on. Find a new concept, assholes. That's like an autistic statement right there. Amy Solomon, shout out.

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as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people might enjoy? This is a track called Wood Trees from a group called Begin. I had never heard of them until I started playing Gran Turismo 7, and this was in a loading screen.

But this track, this is, again, I know yesterday we did some Donny Binet, which is sort of like some current music that sounds like the 80s. Begin is also doing something like that, too. This also has very, like, deep Miami Vice vibes. It's just a great, relaxing instrumental for anybody who, you know, has a sonic memory of the 80s. It's atmospheric. It's just a great relaxing instrumental for anybody who has a sonic memory of the 80s. It's atmospheric. It's kind of funky. And I just like this kind of music a lot, especially when people in our current times look to the past and say, I want to honor this music into an authentic point. So this track is called Wood Trees by Begin. Check it out.

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