The Daily Zeitgeist - Grateful Debt! DC NOW SAFEST! 08.19.25

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

In episode 1916, Jack and Miles are joined by the hosts of Debt Heads, Jamie Feldman & Rachel Webster, to discuss… So Many Articles About The Gen Z/ Millennial DEBT CRISIS... No Explanation Tho, Oh DC Is Actually Safe Now…, The Time Has Never Been Better to Do White Collar Crime! The Ultrawealthy Trend of Trying to Live Forever by Tad Friend and more! FBI ordered to prioritize immigration, as DOJ scales back white collar cases How to Live Forever and Get Rich Doing It LISTEN: Tema Barroco by Agustin Pereyra LucenaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I don't know if you heard, Justin, my infant almost died, okay, in a drug fire. In a mass shootings. After mass shootings. Mass shootings. Not a mass shooting. After mass shootings. I know out of context, that probably sounded really fucked up. It does sound fucked up, but it's not.

Because you have an infant. None of us. None of us. We don't think anything is that fucked up, honestly. Um, well, I just, I want, I want you to be in on it because I think it's very, um, just, I think it's important for the show that we're all speaking the same language here. Um, it's, the truth. Yeah. Thank you. We're all speaking the truth according to the church of Benny Johnson. About Washington, D.C. and it's actually such a, it's such a cess pit that it's so fucked up. I just want to, this is just him, this is him making up a tragedy that clearly did not have. Oh, you don't think DC's fucked up. You don't think he's fucked up. That's my personal experience. Don't believe the bullshit that you hear online from some reporters. Oh, crimes down in D.C.

Well, my infant nearly died in a drug fire. In a drug fire. After mass shootings. After mass shootings. So no. D.C. is not safe. Just FYI. You guys live in New York.

Yeah, I know. You're from a big city. You guys actually just came from the drug. fire after the mass shootings. Yeah, that's what you heard in the background. Yeah. We're just like, our whole life is just one big drug fire. But.

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402 episode 2 of their daily side guys this production of iHeartRadio was a podcast where you take a deep avenue America share consciousness that was a good yeah it was a good dean scream maybe it's just normal but I I've been away from it

for too long I've been been at sea for too long it's Tuesday August 19th 2025 that seems wrong is that right? Yeah it's August 19th yes right

819 25. No, there it is. You're right. You know what that is? It's National fucking Potato Day. It's National Aviation Day. And it's, you know, actually, I love this.

National Soft Ice Cream Day. I love soft serve. Soft serve for me. Better than the fucking scoop shit. Sorry, that's just me. Than the scoop shit. Yeah. Better than hard serve.

Hey, can I get some of the scoop shit? Hey. Hard serve is great. Hey, can I get some hard serve? Do you guys have hard serve here? or is it just a soft? I think you want your soft serve, hard serve. Yeah, hard serve.

Hard serve me some soft serve. Yeah. There you go. Have you guys ever tried to use a soft serve machine? Yeah. Do the, how are you? College cafeteria. So good, bro.

I don't do the swirl. I do the, oh, you do the bloop. Yeah, so you get the dairy queen logo. Yeah, so you get the little concentric little donuts going on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. My cousin in Japan worked at a shop, so she always showed me the technique. I used to be so nice with it because I went to this basketball camp at a college and just every day at lunch.

Like, I was, people would just give me their cones to make the cones with. Oh. And I could do, I could do the little bloops, but I could also do the sort of the swirley thing. What are you doing here then? I, exactly. Man, it's like piano man, man, man, what are you doing here? You should be at a dairy queen somewhere. Seriously.

You should be blooping that soft serve, man. I, so I was bragging about this. My kids and I and my parents were a restaurant that had a soft serve machine. I was like, get ready. Get ready. It was not soup plantation. Problematic name, but now so they don't exist anymore. Yeah.

Is that a real place? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely in the West Coast. It was like a salad. It was like a lunch business salad bar place, but they had mini softsern. Oh, I like a business salad. Mm-hmm.

It, I, it was coming out too fast. So I talked all this shit And then the thing was coming out too fast My shit was so lopsied You looked like such a fraud You probably looked like such a fucking fraud You'd be like yo watch me finessed this shit It's coming out too fast

It's like really, bro I was like they should put a fucking warning On how fast this thing comes out There should be a governance chip on this fucking machine Or something a regulator All right Enough enough bullshit Time for me to sing a dumb song

My name is Jack O'Brien, A.K., I used to sing songs about my hands being awkward. I used to sing songs referencing coal gas, but now all I get are AKs about P-P-P. Do you even remember when we did R-H-C-P-K? And that one courtesy of short show title Spice, Johnny Davis. on the Discord, who specifically said, not sorry about all those extra syllables there. And you are not forgiven because you're not sorry. But yeah, shout out to everybody.

So many P-related A.K.A. is waiting for me after a few days off. That's overwhelming numbers anyway. This is visibly concerning our guests. I was just like, I was just like, I don't want to get us into. Because y'all never going to go. I don't ever want to be P running down my leg The A. He wrote me

Goes on for a half hour So I just, I cut that off Even though it seemed like it went on for a half hour We could probably do a live show just singing all the AK We were going to get along Because that's basically our writing process Yeah, just singing dumb songs Great minds, great minds

I'm thrilled to be joined as always By my co-host Mr. Miles Gray Yes, Miles Gray A.K. Oh, Infant Nearly died mass shooting, drug fire explosion when you need a pretext for your civil rights erosion. Beny Johnson's parents should have probably used a Trojan

Infant nearly died mass shooting drug fire explosion. Okay, shut on. Nick Semperterianist for that fucking fever, aka yes, we're still talking about the Benny Johnson made up story about wait, what's that again? My infant nearly died

in a drug fire. What's that? After mass shootings. After mass shootings God, God. Did the drug fire after the mass shootings? Cause the drug fires? We don't know.

We don't know. What was he doing? So how is he in proximity of a drug fire? With his infant. With his infant. With mass shootings. Well,

I mean, so many things. No, I don't know what to do. My entire life has happened. It's like St. Elmo's. Yeah, exactly. My entire life has been, has happened in the aftermath. of mass shootings.

So I guess that's true, generally, right? Yeah, I guess. You know, everything is after mass shootings. Was he out of school, though? Sounds like he wasn't at a school. Hard to say. I don't think so. Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth seats

by the very funny host of the podcast Deadheads, which is a true crime look into who murdered their bank accounts, nay, all of our bank accounts. Please welcome Jamie Feldman and Rachel Webster. Is that right? Thank you. There's nothing wrong with it. We have a burn squawk.

Just want to clarify. Just in case people think it's dead heads. It's debt. Dead heads. Did I miss pronounce it? No, you didn't. But everybody still. A lot of people do.

Everybody still thinks it's dead heads and it's not. Yeah. We get this year. Yeah. We're like, we'll meet you in Vegas. You guys like to twirl. We would meet you in Vegas, but we're in debt. Yeah.

I'm a bit of a debt head That's how I pronounce dead Have you made merch that looks like Grateful Dead Stuff? Yeah actually It's in progress Yeah yeah I feel like the Grateful Dead would be like Super litigious

You know like how that generation We had the Grateful Dead Bears In our first original like 700 page deck That we were sending to potential sponsors And then we were like We need to have a one page deck And also get rid of the dancing bears in our artwork

Yeah, so we came up with our own artwork, but it was an inspiration early on. Yeah. It continues to be. Yeah. It feels like kind of like an ironic sentiment, like grateful debt somehow in our. Is that something? Hey, guys, is that something? Thank you so much.

Let me write that down. Yeah, is that good? You should be grateful. That is what they say to our generation. Can I be on your podcast? Can I be your podcast now? Absolutely. Oh, we need to make a new episode.

So this, maybe this is it. Yeah, this is what we're, instead of writing our new episode, we're on this podcast. So thank you guys for giving us some questions. How much of your portfolio is invested in an avocado toast is my first question. That's, I've heard, my main problem. Yeah, let's take it a step back. Oh, Jack, they're even worse off than we thought. Oh, boy.

Okay. Okay, you have to strike while the iron. Okay, I'm going to just do a fill in the blank. You guys are going to tell me. You got to strike while the irons. On. On. On the theme setting.

Is that it? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Irons only work when there's steam involved. Well, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get to know you both a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a couple of the things we're talking about from the zeitgeist, from the news, if you will. We're getting a sense of what Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin talk about when they're alone together. I think we're alone now.

We can just, you know, have two hearts beating as one. I think those are two 80 songs that I'm confusing. But it's okay. Anyways, they, Donald Trump came out and was like, you know, I am going to look into the voting machines because Vladimir Putin told me that I got fucked in the 2020 election. Good idea. And he is a reliable narrator on that subject. So we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about D.C. being safe again from people looking to shield their babies.

from the drug fire after the mass shootings. We'll talk about just why white-collar crime, like that, you know, is this where we should be putting our money right now? White-collar crime. It seems like it's boom times for white-collar crime. I think you do need to be generationally wealthy to get away with it, though, unfortunately. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the ultra-wealthy trying to live forever, a bunch of shit.

the Gen Z millennial debt crisis, so many articles, no explanation, all of that, plenty more. But first, we do like to ask our guests, Jamie, Rachel, what is something from your search history that's revealing about who you guys are? Yeah, I think it's so, it's like a perfect, it encapsulates us, like what Rachel's Google search is and what mine is. I'll go first and Rachel will go, you could see where the differences are. So my most recent Google search was and just like that ending insane because I was watching the psychotic and just like that finale, series finale, and I was double screening because I couldn't like really process watching it like fully engaging because it was so insane. And I saw an article that was like something like that. And I wanted to find it and read it to see if it had the same feelings that I had. So that's like a little.

It was, or are you alone? I'm hearing a lot of chatter out there, but I don't want it spoiled for me, so I'm not getting into it. I will tell you something. There's nothing to be spoiled because not a single thing has happened, I think, in three seasons of this show. It's like a visual

like, it's supposed to be like a visual Xanax. It's almost like HGTV, but like nothing even gets like made. Yeah. And I think that it was not, I think that like my takeaway, and I wanted to write an essay about this, but I feel like it's not even worth my time is that capitalism ruined the legacy of sex in the city and that, like, clearly

this was made because, like, a few rich people wanted to get, like, a bit richer. And if they had just let it be, like, one series and ended at, you know, the end of the series, then, like, the legacy would not be completely ruined. And so I think there's a bigger thesis, but maybe that's just me. Everyone else is just like, this was so bad and crazy. And it was, but I think that there's, like, a larger issue there. We can zoom out for a little bit. Yeah, like, why even do this?

Yeah, and, like, I get it. Like, I loved sex in the city. It was a formative piece of work. It's obviously, it was problematic, but, like, it was funny and the writing was good, and it was really, you know, progressive for the time, I guess, at least in some ways, even though Carrie Bradshaw's supposed to be a sex writer and she's, like, the most prude person I've ever seen on television. But, you know, I think it has its place and it has its, like,

you know, forever legacy and pop culture and now I'm just like, I don't even know how to feel, like, I don't even know how to feel about it anymore. I'm just kind of angry. Did it end with any, we had a pitch, we were expecting something

having to do with 9-11, because like 9-11 never really happened in the series. Yeah, it ends on 9-11. Okay, that's what I, that was my guess. It was that, or... It was on 9-11, 2025 and they're like at a memorial ceremony. And they're like, what's happening? And they're like, I didn't even know this happened.

They're like, I never come downtown. It ends. Yeah, they're like, I haven't been below 14th Street in my whole life. Oh, darling. 9-11 didn't happen for them. So, yeah, they just re-did it for them at the end. That's why it was so bad. How about you, Rachel? That probably should have been my search history because I didn't ever watch it or know the title of it. But mine was sort of similarly embarrassing. I Googled American exceptionalism that was the most recent.

And it's embarrassing in that, you know, it's like one of those things, like terms that we, you know, you throw out in conversation. And then when we're really trying to write about it, maybe you're not, maybe not everybody's trying to throw it. But it's sort of like anything where it's like you're writing about a bigger concept, a historical concept, or, you know, something philosophical. And you think you understand it, but then when you try to write about it, you're like, no, I actually need to like make sure I know what the fucking meaning of this is. And so that's every day. I picked this one because it was my most recent and it's emblematic of how our research has been in this project because we're constantly trying to write about these things. And we're like, wait, do we really understand how things work?

And then I also kind of want to normalize like not knowing the dictionary definition of every fucking thing in the world. like everybody is out here with a hot take and maybe we just need to kind of acknowledge that not everybody knows everything all this right and it's okay to like maybe get to the bottom of it occasionally and think about it. Yeah, I use the term milk toast

to describe a really boring breakfast. Yeah, I use milk toast a lot and I like it because it does have that sort of double entendre. Like you imagine it being a boring breakfast. Yeah, like milk toast and it's sad. Yeah, yeah. It sounds like a gross bread.

To be honest, Milk toast. What are you cooking up, ma? Just pouring milk on toast. It's like in the end of Get Out when she's like drinking the like milk on a straw. And then eating this cereal separately. It's like, it's disturbing. Milk, just dairy in general.

So is it just to close the loop on this? I'm assuming you were searching American exceptionalism still true. And is it still? We're still exceptional, right? We're still the best. I think, uh, I think that we're more the best. the best than ever, according to the people in charge. I think we made an

American grade again. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we're 100% about. We made it great and we're never leaving. We're the best. Congratulations to us. We're never leaving. Good job, everybody. What is something that you guys think is underrated? We

think going to the movies is underrated and we say that because I feel like I care deeply about the movies and I want them to thrive and I think it's harder and harder for them to get made because people don't go to the movies. This is one of the case for like, huh? Yes.

Very Nicole Kidman coded answer here, yes. Yeah, there we go. We come to this place for magic. Because here it is. I like to end a conversation like that even when it doesn't apply at all. Because here it is. Because it doesn't really connect to what she said. It does feel good in a place like this.

You know, it just does. Heartbreak feels good in a place like this because here it is. What? Because here it is. We're big, we love going to the movies. She was in one of my favorite movies of the year. Nicole. Baby boy?

She believes it. She walks the walk. We loved baby girl. We loved baby girls so much that we were forced to see it with open captions. We were forced to see it with open captions. Because we saw it in the afternoon and the afternoon is when all the open caption movies are, which we didn't know. But we loved it so much that we even loved it despite it, despite it being an open caption showing,

which is like kind of distracted. No, of course, obviously. in accessibility things. But when you don't need the open captions and we were like still like... Do they like say the joke before it happens like on Netflix? Yeah, and it's like this, you know,

it's like this music is playing. You're like, oh, stop. Anyway, no one asked us to make the open captions. Although maybe they would be... I do realize that I am going deaf when I, because I do have the hearing loss. Oh, I need the captions on. For most things.

Actually, we watched the... Have you guys seen the movie kneecap? yeah no i haven't okay it's so good and i did watch it with the captions and we i feel like i we saw it once in the theater together with uh rachel's family and then we watched it again with rachel's family at home with captions and i i felt like i i hurt i got so much more out of it a just from that very thick accent now you speak gaelic yeah exactly i mean well so they are yeah i do feel like this is a thing that capitalism is stolen from us because now i do feel like because I'm also, like, very concerned about the state of, like, going to the movies and movie theaters.

And so I feel bad any time I'm, like, talking shit about a movie that's still in the theaters because I'm, but that's against the party line. But I want to still be able to talk shit about movies. That's, like, part of the fun. And I also spend, like, the entire 20 minutes before people are seated in the movie starts, just constantly, like, surveilling what, like, the things that are going to go wrong? Like, are is that person going to sit right in front of that person? when you know that they're not so you know in these we go to bam which is like one of the few places

where you can like actually yeah just pick your seat when you get there which i do appreciate because i hate the like planned thing i hate the lack of spontaneity but i'm also like completely anxious for like 30 minutes while i'm like watching people be like are you going to fuck this experience up for me or are you going to sit right in front of me or are you going to like be the one eating all the popcorn all the whole time you know and at the same time we're like the reason we feel like part of the reason that's underrated is that like going to have an experience in a room with a bunch of strangers and like having this communal experience is something that we don't again like talk about capitalism like everything is privatized no but everybody is like

in their own homes like not in the world and and being in community and like the movies are still one of the only places that you can kind of have that experience and like and eat popcorn yeah yeah a lot of other places that I'm willing to go and eat popcorn but the movies is the most socially accepted one what is something you guys think is overrated unless was there another underrated or are you guys going

communal and we do everything together so our underrated are the same yeah we think eating in restaurants is highly overrated and this is sort of you know like I think some people like this is their communal version but I really especially in America

today I hate eating in restaurants and in New York and in New York specifically I think this also goes back to like this spot in the 80 thing of like going to a movie theater with everything's reserved seats like New York is you can't just walk into a fucking restaurant which is like one of the things that I think makes New York so special. Yeah, you want to go to a restaurant when you're like out in a party. You're like, oh shit, we're hungry. Let's go to this restaurant and have this experience.

You can't do it if you didn't plan your whole night in advance your whole like month in advance. Right. For most places. Like even like shitty restaurants are like, oh, do you have a resi? I'm like, no, what? They're like, oh, well, you can buy it from a reservation scalper. Right, no, thank you. It's so stupid.

And the end, by the... Is that real? Reservation's copers? Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Hell yeah. That's great.

Yeah. So, I don't like that. We like certain kinds of restaurant experiences, like, Chinatown, like, Brighton Beach, going to, like, out, you know, into deep queens and having, like, a travel experience. And having, like, the prospect of, like, trying to just eat a meal with some people on any any given night. At, like, a mediocre restaurant with, like, $20.

And everything is too expensive now. And I feel like that also has to do with the fact that, like, if you travel, you'll see a little bit more equity between, like, the people who are serving you and the people who are dining. And now it's just like everything else in America. It's like completely massive discrepancy there. And so I think that that makes it just fundamentally not fun anymore. Yeah.

Agreed. There we go. Overrated. Odd place we live in. I mean, even one of the good restaurant experiences you were talking about was also a move. movie. So, Chinatown, which is a good movie. So, I mean, movies have it over. All right. Well, that was great. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to come back. We're going to talk about some news stories that are happening in the zeitgeist, which is one of the words in the title of this podcast. We'll be right back.

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. We're back. We're back. And hey, this kind of relates to what your area of expertise, what your podcast is about. We've been noticing a lot of articles about the Gen Z millennial debt crisis, but we don't really like to look into why that's happening. I think it's probably just like personal responsibility. You know how like when there's crimes and then we like to look at individual people and be like, this guy, what a bad person they are for doing that crime.

But we don't like to look at. into broad systemic reasons behind things with kind of the same way with the debt crisis. Is that sort of thing you've noticed? You've seen this? You know this?

Not all personal finances one's own responsibility. Yes, exactly. Yeah, why can't you guys just get it together? Get it together. I was so worried you guys are going to call us broke boys when you came on the podcast.

Everybody thinks we're a financial literacy podcast. And we're like, no. Do not take advice from us. I mean, the advice I think we want people to take from us is exactly what you're saying, which is like we need to start questioning the bigger picture versus why we're all led to believe that if we are, quote, unquote, failing at finance, then it's just because of something that we did or we ate too much avocado toast or, you know, it's sort of like we're trying to help people

come to that conclusion in a way that makes them feel like empowered. It's also like you're mentioning that it's like a big top. right now for Gen Z Millennials, which is its own story. But every year in January, they have the same stories. Oh, my God, everybody has to pay out their credit card bills. Like, here's how you, here's someone who's going to come on today. Your personal finances in order. Yeah, yes, exactly.

And they're like, here's the five tips. And they're always the same thing. And it's like we, you know, one of the main things that started this whole idea was like, this, these same fucking five tips have been, you know, doled out on major news outlets for years, years and years and years, and years. And it's always the same. Debt's increasing. That's increasing.

It's never not increasing. So we're like, I don't, I think maybe these tips aren't working. Have you tried not eating, though, like they said? I actually have in high school. It was a dark time. If you're in debt, you shouldn't see the inside of a restaurant unless you're working in it. We're not going to say even say that.

I mean, we're not going to anyway because we clearly think of it. I don't have reservations. That's the only reason why. Exactly. We can't get in. It's not because we can't afford them. Okay, so y'all want a couple of baconators. So do you have reservations to Wendy?

Yeah. So then you can fuck off. Yeah. No, like the last few months, constantly, just like headline after a headline, there's one like that came out last week. It's like 62% of Gen Z have zero emergency savings. I'm like, bro, I didn't have emergency savings. Like, fucking I was 33.

I thought for me, savings was like shit I saved up for. so I could waste it on buying something. It wasn't like long-term savings thing. Because again, I was raised to be financially illiterate. And yeah, like to your point, so many of these articles are written in a way that's sort of like, oh, oh, so what are they going to do since they're all screwed rather than any kind of, again, substantive analysis on the era we live in and like the corporate greed that seems to, you know, dictate everything.

This one USA Today article that says more millennials are falling in. into debt. What's to blame for this worrisome trend? I said, let me do a command F and see if capitalism. So no, nope, nope. It's up like one or like interest rates. Sure. Right. Okay. Great. But then there's other ones where they found one guy who they're like, this one guy started a business selling Pokemon cards and financed it with credit cards. And now he's all fucking upside down on this. And you're like, okay, sure, that's a true story about one person that It helps the generation of being loose. You actually couldn't find any financially stupid people before the 1990s.

No. Actually, everyone was financially smart. Baby boomers, 100% financially smart. Oh, for sure. I read that's why. Yeah. We're dumb. Yeah.

Yeah. I read this tweet that we were talking about the other day that was like the amount of minimum wage that would have to exist for us to have like the same spending potential as boomers is 60-60-dix, $66 per hour. Hold on. I'm back. Hold on. What was that? 60. What was that about 60 dicks? $66 an hour. Yeah. Yeah. You would need to make $66 per hour to have the same spending power. But the idea of raising the minimum wage is like everybody is like the idea of like a $30 minimum wage like hits people's ears like what's next?

They're going to make our kids go to the bathroom and litter boxes. So much so much of that just the pushback comes from like older generations. especially boomers who continue to look at our financial situation through the prism of their fucking experiences. I mean, that's exactly. Why can't you just get up? I was a waitress and I had an apartment. And you're like, uh-huh. Like I have so many conversations with my older relatives who have kids that are

millennials and younger where I'm constantly telling them they're like, they are not fucking up for starters because they don't have. Yeah. In fact, so much of this problem is, because we're following the boomer playbook, which is historically unprecedented. Like, the amount of access

to socialism that they had is unprecedented in our history. It was one time. Don't say the S word. No, no, no. You can say it. But, I mean, that's what they had. And then literally, I mean, we're writing about this, like, literally at the beginning of the millennial era,

like late 70s, early 80s is when everything changes across the board. and it all really comes down to that period of time and it's like, we're again, and many other things. But like culturally and politically, that's when everything changed. And then they're like, well, we did it this way. And it's like, we're still saying, oh, we got to go to college. But now it's really expensive.

We're like, you've got to get a house, but we can't afford it. You've got to, like, you know, risk everything for your, like, the American dream. And it's like, no, because we have predatory credit cards. to work with not, like, you know, low finance loans or, like, access to, you know, people. Oh, you know, like a 22% interest rate? Exactly. Exactly. And even like in our neighborhood in Brooklyn, like I was walking around the other day and it's all these like capital, like venture capital like dentists and vets that, you know, that we're like don't exist anymore. We don't even think, we don't even stop to think about like how concentrated the wealth is

and how few people own so much. Yeah. And how we don't. even have, like, a fighting chance. Like, the thing that they, the thing that so many of these people like to hold up as the American standard, this like entrepreneurial bootstraps experience, which is, by the way, like, fucking myth. But they still hold it up. And the irony is right now, like, nobody's an entrepreneur. Everybody's just using their inherited generational wealth to, like, massacize their profit and

exploit other people. Exploiting other. Yeah. The predatory aspect. Yeah. Absolutely. Equality is often raised as like an issue, but they don't talk about the fact that like the way wealthy people are investing their money is oftentimes in things that are, you know, preying on people who have less. It's like inequality is the is the problem and it's also the like mechanism that is causing.

I don't know, Jack. My Palantier stock and private prison stock has skyrocketed. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you guys are exactly. That's exactly what we're talking about. joking that we were going to just make us our next episode, but this is like actually what we're writing about right now. So this is great. So we'll just clip this episode instead of writing our next one. Perfect. That's what we always trying to do. It does remind me of how we think about the environment also in modern America

where it's always based around personal responsibility and like every when when people think about like being environmentally responsible and like they think. about littering. They think about like recycling. They think about these small like minuscule things that having a dog. Yeah. That was another one I saw. Well, you shouldn't have a dog because they eat meat and therefore they're contributing to like extra. And it's all these like massive forces that like are out of our control like we should be like perpetrated by people who we should be naming hurricanes after but instead of doing that we're just like all like, oh, we we fucked up. We like drove our kids to school today, and, like, that's what we're part of the problem.

And turned our air conditioner's on because it's too hot to exist. And to add insult to injury, it's like you're forced into so much of this, right? Like, people buy on Amazon because they can't afford time or money to go shopping and their local businesses or their local business don't exist. Like, it's a catch 22 that affects the poor more often than the rich. So to be environmentally like conscientious. or like make any changes there is sort of a privilege that some people have and some people don't. And I think that when we, you know, like you're saying, like focus on this one aspect of it and not look at the circular. And assign judgment to it too. Yeah. Then then you lose a conversation and

where the, you know, blame really lies. Right. And these articles are just do fuck all to like actually inform anyone too. Because like one thing, it's like they'll still kind of hint at wages being so depressed and you're like, go on. You're like, okay, so, hold on. Now, if you said, no, what's causing on this? And you said, it's the wages. Okay, so let's, let's start following these questions up the top. So, okay, so who is setting the wages? Okay. And now how are those people, those companies faring financially? Oh, doing really well? Pretty well. Like record breaking pocket. Oh, so maybe they can ease up on the fuckery. Yeah, yeah. It's just such, again, and so many these articles are designed to kind of keep people not having, I think you guys talk about

this is sort of like the imagination to understand like what is, what can be done differently and what should be done differently rather than keep people in the same sort of like hamster wheel like, well, you shouldn't have done this. And honestly, it's like not our fault that you can't get a high paid job and all there is gig work out there. And that's just the way it is. That's my favorite. Like, well, why is it like this? It's like, I know you sound like a three year old, a five year old, but like it's like, well, why? And there's no answer. Like, it's not a natural law. Like, because this is a choice. You know, like these are choices that were made to be.

Everything, everything in our lives is dictated on the economy, and yet we're told that it's not a human choice. Or you're chastised and told you have too much of a utopian view of the future to think that this is how it should be. Yeah, you have too much of an atopian view of the future. Meanwhile, the only answer that anybody has is, well, this is how it is. Yeah. So it's just natural that the, you know, wages that people earn,

will stay flat for decades. Well, so that must mean then that the price of things that people have to pay for has stayed flat too? No, no, no. Now everything is $20. Oh, that's how the company's earnings are going, or having a regular break and profit. Oh, okay. That's what L.A. is.

Like, I joke about this all the time with my partner, Her Majesty, where I'm like, bro, she'll be like, guess how much this was? I go, 20 bucks. It'll be like a juice, right? And I'm like, she's like, actually pretty close. I'm like, yeah, because fucking everything, like, we're starting the conversation at $20. Yeah, yeah. No, it's insane.

You can't just go get our sandwich anymore. You can't leave the house. That's $20 to open your door. Yeah, exactly. There's a person waiting outside my door in the hallway. Let me see that Andrew Jack. Yeah. Yeah.

You're not going to tip them on your $20 juice? Well, you're the fucking problem then. Hold on. Don't you pay their wages? Yeah, but I ain't paying them that much. I've got to come in with the tips. Come on now. Exactly.

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What do you mean? A soggy-ass box. Yeah, talk about sustainability. Oh, just liquid wine in a plastic man. I don't think you can recycle the space bag. No. Just that's all that's going to be left. they were an interesting people they worship these space bags uh all right finally some good news

dc is actually safe now yeah it has been declared um even though we are fully into the second week of uh the feds just absolutely taking over uh the capital but not like even a full week we're in the second week, but like it hasn't been a full week since he declared, right? Like that was happening at the beginning of last week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're like entering, yes. I mean, but this is what they're calling week to. This is just record-breaking time that I've got to say. Look, and so yeah, dude, you know, so I guess, you know, once big balls got jumped by some kids and what was the saddest version of like what people are calling the Reichstag fire, Trump declared all-out Fed war on DC. And we've just seen countless clips and images of, you know, just masked goons, looking bored as hell on the streets of D.C.

Like, truly nothing to do. So bored. With their slouched posture and like stupid Punisher masks and people are like, dude, get the fuck out of my way. First of all, I've been reading some, there's a, it's fucking up local businesses in D.C. Because people are like, bro, no one's coming in bars or restaurants because you have fucking goons everywhere and the vibes are completely fucked up because it's a quote unquote

war zone. What's the matter, you don't like safety? Come on, people. Get out there. This is not safe, bro. Trump's just like being like a mayor from jaws. He's just like, get out there. Come on, guys.

It's fun. The water's great. Although I did see a clip of some, a bunch of goofed up loser mask cops try to violently arrest a guy. And one of the goons thought he was like Ken Shamrock in the WWF or some shit and smashed his own head trying to suplex the guy. Like he was like wrestling and like fell back. And then the.

cop just hit his own head and then all the other cop's like dude are you okay and he's like no it's like the dumbest shit and then they're fucking violently arresting some innocent fucking resident but again it's nonsense anyway mr donald has solved it he declared victory on uh kirkland signature twitter he said quote dc gave fake crime numbers in order to create a false illusion of safety this is a very bad and dangerous thing to do and they are under serious investigation for doing so until four days ago, Washington, D.C. was the most unsafe, quote, city. I don't know what city. He loves it. I love a quote. Unsafe city in the United States and perhaps the world. Now in just a short period of time, it is perhaps the safest and getting better every

single hour. People are flocking to D.C. again and soon the beautification will begin. So anyways. I wish that he wasn't the president because he's such a funny, stupid bitch you know like that is that is like movie montage speed that he's Brett that he's claiming this happened like four days you went from the most violent and now people are literally flocking people are flocking I also just want to say one thing like I feel like Kirkland signature is too nice of a term as Costco we actually fuck with Kirkland signature we're Costco heads in this frat true value I don't know I mean I don't want to malign any of the store brands to be honest because they do give us an affordable alternative.

But, like, anyway, the other lever that Trump does like to pull as a distraction, aside from anti-black racism, is crime wave, the crime wave lever. Because that is one of the few things that still people have crime in this, like, nebulous part of their brain where even though they have firsthand experience with crime rates dropping, pundits on TV can just be like, crime wave! like a common Michael Scott and it's somehow their lived experience

and they're like yeah yeah it's a crime wave right now it's so unsafe I've never seen crime where I live at all but everything else is but it's there it's out there

yeah I heard about this one guy who yeah he got swept up in a crime wave guys there's fucking drug fire there's a drug fire he's walking his baby drug fire

after the mass shooting and the crime wave actually put it out because it was like a wave first of all My baby was trying to surf the crime wave onto a drug fire, and he bailed so hard into a mass shooting. One more time for everyone on the back. My infant nearly died in a drug in fire after mass shootings.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. Nearly died. My infant nearly died. In a drug fire. I would love if he didn't even have a kid. They're like, uh, Benny Johnson has no children.

He's just straight up fucking lying to you. Yeah, I would like that better, I think. that we realize who sounds like is funnier. Yeah, it is boom times for white collar

crime though, but I will say this has been true since back in May, but now it's getting even, I mean, it's been true since forever that white color crime

private equity anyone as defined as crime committed by wealthy financial institutions, but, you know, white collar crime of all sorts. It's just like

all the investigations, all the really bad ones that the FBI was like looking into have been replaced with you know going out and like sending a bunch of fucking bureaucrats out to just like mill about and be like glorified beat cops

they've been apparently reassigning white collar crime task forces to like do immigration enforcement now which they're not pleased with as people who are got into the job of investigating

white color crime but you know I'm sure it's working and doing wonders for the safety. People are flocking, I hear. People are flocking to white-collar crimes. Yeah, you have to. It's harder than TikTok. The only thing you have to make sure you don't do it when you do a white-collar crime is then become a reality television star because you can do one or the other,

but you can't do both if you don't want to get caught. Look who got out, though. Look who got out, though. You know what I mean? They got out. When the white color criminal, who was also a reality, stars in the White House. I think it's okay. But I think of any other time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I'm, I mean more like the real housewives. Like, they can't do those. Or Todd Crisley. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Yeah, right. I forgot about him. And they got out because, again, the rules are you, if you're white and do white collar crime, then you have a shot at getting a pardon. Isn't that what the white in white color crime? I feel it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I put the white in white collar crime. Trump definitely thinks that. Oh, my God.

Yeah. anyways that i mean it is truly the crime that is causing that you know is causing a lot of the problems that we're talking about right and of course it is the one that is must be avoided and ignored as much what's what's like been a perpetrator in terms of as you guys try to find out who murdered your bank accounts what's a name name who's a suspect that you've identified just generally um no i think ronald regan i think that that's uh that you can really a lot comes back to that. But it goes, you know, I think it starts at the beginning of, of this American experience, which is that it's all entirely based around an economy that is not really designed to make

everybody happy and free. But specifically, when we're talking about millennials and we're talking about the last 100 years, we are talking about what we spoke of before, which is like the differences that millennials are experiencing based on policy decisions that started in the 80s. But, you know, this goes back to, like, things that were built up around the First World Wars, which is, like, we need to buy stuff to make this economy work. And everybody is in the business of buying or selling stuff for us to buy or sell. Right. And so everything is pushing us into that and simultaneously making it impossible for us to make a living at it because, like, all the things we said before. People aren't really running small businesses anymore. So it's just like, I mean,

I think really what we're looking at is just how do we imagine a different way of living outside of this economy that we've like been brought up to believe is like truly the only option. Yeah. And also just not getting the information that like we have learned so much about just like the, we've been shocked by so many things that we've learned in researching this podcast. Like we interviewed this woman Elena Botea who worked at Capital One. for years and then she became a journalist and she said something Rachel heard on a Zoom that was like there was

no household consumer debt before 1983. Before 1983 and we were like credit cards and the banks are obviously like a huge part of us. Right? Like you just imagine that this is something that always existed and in reality it's not it's not that old. It's our age

and so if it's our age why does it have to be like the rule of the land? Why can't we like think of something else? It's like because we're eating too much goddamn avocado toast, right? Yeah, that's right. That's right. And not buying wedding rings. When was avocado toast invented?

I'm just saying, like, 1984. 1984. 1984. Yeah, I do like, they're madded us for eating avocado toast, but also madded us for not buying diamond wedding rings, which are way more expensive and financially responsible decisions. These weddings, like, they're mad about it. Everything about, like, the modern wedding experience that we're told is, like,

the thing that we're supposed to do. I mean, it is one of the reasons why I got into debt when I looked back on it because I went to so many bachelor's parties. I bought so many bridesmaid's dresses. I bought so many gifts for people to go to their weddings. And, like, that is something I was led to believe was what I needed to do in order to stay in the group socially, right? But in reality, it was just, like, draining all of my big bank account. And meanwhile, like, the people who are making money are doing it investing in debt, right? Investing and pretend money.

But that doesn't, that doesn't transfer down to those of us who are actually being, like you're saying, lended in a predatory manner. And then it becomes something that you can never get out of. Yeah. Yeah. But that is like just one piece of the bigger picture, which I think is that just like we are watching the transfer of wealth from the middle class to whatever is left. It's the middle and middle class, working class to, you know, a few people. to the yacht gang. Yeah.

Yeah. Claudia Scheimbaugh, the, you know, President Mexico talks about, she just openly says like neoliberalism is a mechanism for redistributing wealth from the middle class upward.

Like that's all it is. And just like that's an openly agreed to a like definition of it in other countries. Maybe down there. But here in California? That's in Texas. No way.

Uh-huh. Yeah. That's the way we do business. It's the way we do business. You got to get that $20. air one air one's movie yes

I did want to talk about this just a little bit about me anytime I read a New Yorker article I have to talk about it on the podcast

because I'm so proud about it but I do think that that tie I read it every week I get to every week

actually I think it ties into the conversation we're having because there's a new article about the

ultra wealthy's trend of trying to live forever and like just like cure everything and it's just mostly boomer age people.

Like they talk to this one woman who works in the industry and she's like... Entertainment industry? No, no, the industry of... Live forever. Live forever. The longevity industry. They interview one woman who works in this longevity industry of like, you know, just these people are like tested every week.

They're like, okay, inhale into this bag. Give us your poo. like we we need to like make sure that you are just like perfectly monitored and she was saying that these are all people who spent their health getting rich so like for the first half of their life they were just like working around the clock trying to get rich and now they're rich and they're trying to like get their health back through these means because they're like scared of death and they don't want to admit that they they fucked up but what all right so two of the details that jumped out to me one is the richest people already live 20.

12 years longer than the poorest in this country. Like that just in addition to being proof that our world is a disaster, that capitalism's already broken. Like, it's just wild that these people who are driving this entire industry are already, like, maxed out, which is what they find, like, afterwards there's like, yeah, it turns out like all these things that people are doing

can help somebody if they were not already doing these things, but they are. So, like, it doesn't help them. it's just this like soulless end of life denial of death like addiction to the idea of like self and like perpetuating yourself that is it is essentially like a religion it's like what these people have instead of religion at this point yeah and it kind of boils down like what the problem is just generally right it's like I'm so afraid like I'm so afraid of like dying I'm never going to die exactly so if I don't die, then I never have to worry about it. And then I don't have to question, like, what the fuck was all of this for? And what was I doing with, like, hoarding my wealth to make sure that, like, I'm healthy? Like, again, it, like, goes back to not giving a shit about the collective and being, like,

I need to make sure that, like, I'm okay. Right. Yeah. It crystallizes the irony we've been talking about, which is that, like, everybody's dollar is made on burning this planet up more and more and more. And so what's worse than the lack of survival of planet, with like the most miraculous thing we've ever, like, conceived of. This, like, wanted to...

Well, I'm just going to build a bomb shelter to survive. Right, exactly. It's like, don't look up. It's like, exactly, like, don't look up. Yeah, you know. Did you guys see Mountainhead, the movie by the guy who made... We haven't. Succession.

Yeah, the Succession guy. It's worth watch. Steve Carell's character is like the... It's just exactly this guy. Like, he knows that he finds out that he has a, like, terminal diagnosis. And he keeps just being like, wow, you're not very smart, are you? To his doctors, like, just being like, I am, I have a genius level IQ, actually, and I'm going to beat this thing. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, of course. That's how you do it. It is kind of funny

that they, the two things that everybody says are like inevitabilities of the human condition are death and taxes. And like, that's all these people spend their entire lives just trying to avoid. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, now for these guys. Oh, yeah. They heard that when they were kids and were like, yeah, right, motherfucker. We'll show you my life's purpose is to prove this wrong. And in the meantime, lose it all. Anyway. The one good idea I will say, and this is a little investment tip, one of the technologies they're looking at that I guarantee these like very rich people are going to spend a lot of money on is a smart toilet that basically like reads your shit. for like signs of disease

and like they're like really investing hard in this. I feel like I feel like that is inevitably that that's the next aura ring. Which is funny though too because that would help just like if everyone had access to that. If everyone had access to early on for sure. But no, it's

going to be like this thing they parade around Silicon Valley. And it's probably going to start off as like some dude underneath the house like just running like fucking tests on it. Yeah. Yeah. The technology isn't there yet. A mechanical Google turd, if you will. Sure.

Hey. Like printers in the 90s, like, they're going to be just like a bajillion dollars. And then one day, maybe absolutely. Yeah. But again, it's the same thing. Like, to your point, if everybody had access to these things, yeah, that would be fabulous.

Yeah. That helps all health care costs come down. To privatize them, make them an entity that you need to spend like, you know, a billion dollars on. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Like flying cars are a thing. They're just a thing for like the ultra,

ultra wealthy you know essentially it's just like helicopters and private jets yeah and then you know we like all the sci-fi shit from the future exists like it just exists for only the ultra wealthy yeah yeah yeah like living long which i think is pretty cool yeah yeah exactly eternal eternal life and i don't know i mean i think for us that's like should be a motivator to get our shit together so we can be one of these people thank you totally and also think on your grind set. When someone starts talking about progressive tax systems, be like, I'll hold the fuck up because when I'm one of these billies, okay, I don't want to deal with that. So I'm going to creatively protect my investment. Yeah. We're just going to keep walking around eating dumplings

from Chinatown and hoping for the best. Thank you. Yeah. That's our plan. I think that sounds like a good plan. Sounds. Also, like I have invested a lot of time and walking around looking for a bag of money. So if anybody. Always like it for that. Or like loose drugs that fell off a truck. That sounds like a, yeah, yeah. In a fire. In a fire after a mass. After a mass shootings.

After a mass tort trial. Yeah. Well, Jamie and Rachel, such a pleasure having you both on the daily side, guys. Where can people find you, hear you, all that good stuff? You can currently find us on Apple Podcasts, the best so far list. Hey. Bing, bong, boom. There's 10 of us, and we are one of them.

I believe we are the only ones who do not have any other people working on their podcast besides themselves. Or budget. Or budget or have monetized anything. So if you want to listen to it, go ahead and give us five stars. Capitalism. Yeah, rate us and review us, even if you don't like it, but pretend like you do. And we are on substack as well.

We're on Instagram and TikTok periodically. Mostly we're here in this room trying to finish our first season and make good on that best So far, name, moniker. Yeah. We'd like to get. A lot of pressure tied up in that. Like, so far. Yeah.

We're trying to get rid of, we're trying to lose this so far by the end of the year. Yeah. We'll see. Great. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Yeah, we both just saw the movie, Sorry, Baby. Have you heard of this one? I've heard of it.

I really want to see it. Really, really, really good. Really, really good. Excellent. Triple threat. Eva Victor. She is the writer director star. Never heard of her before.

It was so lovely. Yeah. It's a slow, sweet movie. Lovely. Hell yeah. Sounds awesome. Miles, where can people find you as their work in media? You've been enjoying.

Oh, yeah. Find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. I'm still talking shit about 90-day fiancé on 420-day fiancé. Let's see. A couple, there's a, yes, there's a work of media. Like, let me summon it really quick on Blue Sky. It's from Ben Collins, Tim Onion, as he. He's known on Blue Sky.

Because, look, MSNBC is changing to MS now because, like, NBC is spinning it off. I'm sure we'll talk about it later. But there's a lot of people talking about this spinoff of MSNBC. So he said, quote, they should have rebranded it to MSNBA. Chris Hayes should have hooped. He's tall as hell. New morning show of Rachel Maddow and the professor from the Ann One Street Tour. Most programming is now about low post footwork and the second apron.

And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's good. And then another one at john taylor. Biscay. social just posted a picture of Alec Baldwin as Jack Donagy from 30 Rock and it says it's not MSNBC anymore lemon it's MS now we bought the name off a defunct multiple sclerosis awareness organization it wasn't cheap but we were able to save money save some money by sending Brian Williams to a Saudi prince who wanted to expand his harem fantastic fantastic writing MS now that's like something else in my Google searches that it tells you about me because I am so health-looking.

I have a lot of health anxiety. She's got multiple sclerosis at all times. Don't use the internet to diagnose yourself. But that's the era we're in. What do we can do? Go to the doctor. Yeah, exactly. All right, money bags.

Okay, cool. So, we stopped going to the doctor for some reason. No, I'm going to use chat GPT. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Tweet I've been enjoying Allie B tweeted. I hate that AMC ad where that couple has a dance battle, then races, then almost kisses.

I hate it. I just, I do too. I was like, I had to, I blocked it out of my brain, but that is a bummer. I also saw the new naked gun.

Oh, I enjoyed that. I heard that was great. A lot of fun. In the theater? In the theater. Yes. Full circle.

We did it. We did it, you guys. I was FaceTiming you from the theater and you watched on FaceTime. But you bought, did you buy a ticket? Nope.

I snuck in after I saw, yeah, just saw some other shit. But the people who were there with you, enjoying your laughter. I like that, too. And me and there, I'm like, oh, Jack, can you see? Can you see?

I'm like, hey, my man, sit down. Sit down. Got in my pocket like her. All right? You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at Daily Zykeyes. We're at The Daily Zikeist on Instagram. You can go to the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it.

And underneath the show description, you will find the footnotes. Which is where we link off to the information that we talked about, In today's episode, we also link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah, this is called Tema Barocco, and it's by the Argentinian guitarist legend. His name is Augustine Pereira, Lucina.

And this is just like kind of, if you like kind of Basanova-i sort of South American guitar picking, this is perfect. It just has that nice texture to just get you relaxed as we are in the depths of another week. And in this heaven, we call the United States. So anyway, check this track out. It's fantastic listening music to have in the background. Just having you feeling good. So anyway, Tema Baroco. All right, we will link off to that in the footnotes.

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