The Daily Zeitgeist - H(A.I.)L Satan, Status Quo Primary 06.16.23

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

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Well, that's like some weird promotion thing that someone turned into a holiday. Anyway, that's it. Blooms Day. Also, I didn't know what the fuck that is. I'm wearing blue. I knew. Oh, for James Joyce. Ah, okay.

For all you fans of Ulysses out there. Yeah, he's got a lot of days. A lot of fans out there. Why are people so... I was not an English major or a literary person. I just was subjected to reading James Joyce in my academic career.

Man, those first 25 pages go hard. I have not been so hard I have not been able to make it through the rest but uh it's like the gravity's rainbow it's like one of these lifetimes i'll get through them i made it 115 pages into gravity's rainbow last year i was like so impressed oh wow yeah i i basically my eyes rolled in the back of my head when i was reading portrait of the artist and the young man and i was like yeah ulysses the the opening's incredible i don't know why i haven't read it but i just heard it's really good

anyways oh i i remember why because i'm an idiot and speaking of that my name is jack o'brien aka there is a mick monstrosity oh no that's filled with grimace come it's been the ruin of many an ice drink. So salty on my tongue. Oh, that, that, I think that might've killed it for me. The idea that it's salty on my tongue. Yeah. I did not need that. Mr. Axe Hubs, Mrs. Axe Hubs, uh, Monceau, uh, Axe Hubs, AXE Hubs on the discord. Okay.

Thank you for that. You're welcome. on the discord okay thank you for that you're welcome and i'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co-host mr miles gray it's miles gray and i'm really put off by those grimace aka so i won't be white actually aka purple cum is in the shake shake shake shake and the zeitgeist not awake wake wake wake wake so i'm just gonna bake bake, bake, bake, bake, bake and drink. Grimace come. Grimace come. Okay.

Shout out to the Casserole Casanova on Discord. I seize ya. Also, very interesting occupation, if I recall correctly, from our Discord DMs. Y'all keep these DMs coming. Keep reaching out to us because every day we are finding out new dimensions of zeitgang and wow we know i feel like between everybody this is a show we can do it all we can do it all their profession is they fuck casseroles right yeah yeah yeah okay yeah i mean it's right there in the name yeah miles avatars like american pie but with a casserole

that's right miles we were thrilled to be joined in our third seat by one of the very favorite guests on tdz a poet a podcaster you can hear on the american hysteria podcast exploring the fantastical thinking and irrational fears of americans no that can't be right not us Not Americans. Through the lens of moral panics, urban legends, conspiracy theories, much else. Please welcome the brilliant, the talented, Chelsea Weber-Smith! Chelsea! Hi, guys. Happy to be here.

Hello. As always. Is it Weber or Weber? It's Weber. You nailed it. First time. Had to make sure. Had to make sure.

It's actually Weber. Oh, Weber. Chris time. Had to make sure. Had to make sure. It's actually Weber. Oh, Weber. Chris Weber. Weber, thank you. I went through and on all documents, I did a global search of my computer, every document on my computer and changed it. So to make sure it said Weber like Chris. Web 3.0. Thank you.

I appreciate that a lot. What's new? Chelsea, what's new? It's new chelsea what's been too long it's been too long i know um well as i told you guys we've been working on well we actually just finished a jackass series and that was a lot of fun and i feel like that's up your alley did you guys read big brother magazine growing up i did i did and i also made stupid shopping cart like prank videos at the at the local grocery stores with my friends and yeah i was i was i was like at the perfect age when jackass came out and it basically destroyed

half of my body yeah i remember seeing the jackass videos when they were video like vhs is being traded between people like cky like you're talking about my friend in chicago i went visit a friend in chicago like in high school and he showed me them and i was like what the fuck is this this is crazy i remember that yeah cky today or what dude remember that one oh yeah when freddy beats up all those dudes outside the 7-eleven yeah or Yeah. Or Mike Vilelli, I mean. I think that's his name. Yeah. We were like, yo, dude, he legit beat these dudes up.

I think the thing, the sketch I remember is someone was just, like, ordered all the McDonald's, was carrying it on a tray, and then just did, like, a spectacular fall. Oh, yeah. And, like, it just went everywhere. I feel like that's spam. Yeah. Genius. Oh, yeah. And like it just went everywhere. I feel like that's Bam. Yeah. Genius.

Genius! Yeah. I was willing to Rab himself. Chris Rab. I was like, oh, man. Sluiceberry suver for Kiki. One of my favorites. And he hates mustard.

And that's his big thing. He's terrified whenever mustard gets by him. Is that not him? No, that's like Yorn. Oh, right. That's Rake Yorn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're like,? No, that's like Yorn. Oh, right. That's Rake Yorn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, ah!

He had the crazy big hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the Viking status. See, now I'm like, I think I'll have to go back and watch this. You do. I think you'd like this episode. You should listen to it. It's very much about how gay Jackass was, too, and how much of a revolution it was at the time to just have dudes hanging out the way they were and not, you know, being afraid to.

Yeah. Have their butts out. Even though it was a joke, it was like a big change from like the really. It's like, come on, dude. Yeah. Let me put a firework up your asshole. Yeah. As a bro.

And you're like, OK. No. That part. Like, yes, homo. Yeah, exactly. and you're like okay no like yes somo yeah exactly but the other thing i wanted to share with you all is uh we've been doing a new thing on our show called the urban legends hotline and people can call in and record stories from their childhood and then we'll like deep just do whatever research we decide and uh the one we're working on right now is about this place called pig hill in

pennsylvania and it's about a group of cannibal pig people that eat teenagers on a lover's lane up there uh like an inbred family right kind of a classic legend um kind of thing what'd you say like deliverance vibes like yeah a little bit of deliverance yeah definitely but we've been like getting really into the pig part of it you know like why are they specifically pig people and i was able to dig up the very first trial that was based on a false confession in american history that ended in execution and it was actually about a man accused of bestiality he was like an indentured servant and he was accused of it because the pig gave birth to a piglet that was deformed and looked like the man who was a servant and so yeah they tried him and uh hanged him for a pig paternity

test and that was uh yeah that's that's the very first false confession as well because they basically badgered him into confessing and he thought okay you know based on other trials i've seen if i say if i repent to god and say yes i did this and i'm sorry i'll get off but then they were like no we're gonna hang you anyway and then he's like okay well i really didn't do this and uh yeah and then there was a big bestiality panic and it ended up meaning that women were the ones milking the cows always because men were literally not allowed in barns unless they had a chaperone. Wait, so like a milkmaid is we have that because motherfuckers couldn't keep their hands off animals. Couldn't stop fucking cows.

Basically, they're like, that's it. Well, not exactly. Or the panic was around. Oh, okay. It was a panic, right? Right, right? So, of course, yes, that happened. But it was a panic around specifically like servants or like poor people who were accused of this crime often because it was convenient, because they wanted to try them for something else. But once it started to reach like the richer Americans where they were getting accused as well, then suspiciouslyly the panic just kind of fizzled out so kind of a classic moral panic but 1600s we must take note of this uh the cycle of panics

and how we can maybe uh abbreviate them because we're in the midst of multiple cycles now yeah right hope guys yeah is america have you ever looked into wait is america more panicked than other nations or is this just a cycle that every country like goes through it feels like america is more irrational right i think it depends i mean there are some wild moral panics all around the world it just really i mean i think that that's pretty equal across the board it's just like translated through different religions and cultures so it's like we might look at one, like there's a panic in different parts of the world where your penis is disappearing and you freak out. And that's been like, even recently, people's penises have been suspiciously disappearing. What's the cure for that? Not that I'm worried, but what is the cure for that?

You know, I haven't looked enough into this penis disappearance. How do you bring it back? Well, you know, it never leaves. Wait, what is that panic? People are claiming their penises have vanished from their bodies? You remember this, Jack? When was this? I remember this from the cracked days that that was a panic from another country.

I bet you do. Yeah, yeah. And it goes back to like, I just typed in penis vanishes. It'sishes turtle penis right yeah they call it turtle penis because the penis like retracts into the body like you got it yeah turtle penis panic okay i'm gonna look i'm gonna look that anyways we could clearly talk about this all day i i heard that some bestiality is where grimace came from actually in the first place.

That makes sense. A lot of people don't know that. You heard it here first. Yes. We're going to get to know you a little bit better, Chelsea, first. Little housekeeping. First of all, we're off on Monday for Juneteenth. So we are going to be doing our weekend catch-up episode on Tuesday, our expert guest interview on Wednesday and then, you know, normal from there on out for next week.

But in case this is your first episode in a while, we are doing a truncated summer schedule, a mere eight episodes a week, one episode at the beginning of the week, one on Friday. So this is the last episode of the week. No at the beginning of the week one on friday uh so this is the last episode of the week no trending this afternoon sorry but we're we're having fun it seems like you guys are having fun listening to the new formats and we are loving talking to y'all so keep keep the mail bags coming we're gonna do a handful of you know listener messages and emails on Tuesday's episode, or on Wednesday's episode. So talk to you all then. This episode, though, we are talking,

we're just going to check in with the Democratic nomination race. We've spent a lot of time focusing on the Republicans. What's going on with those Democrats? Those dang Democrats. Not a damn thing. Well, RFK Jr. is getting some momentum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which has a lot of people being like, oh, no, we should have found somebody else to be the opposition to Joe Biden.

And we might have a candidate in Cornel West. We'll see. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about some moral panics happening thanks to ai talk about some a good grift that taylor swift fans have going you know just all all sorts of madness uh flags i think we'll we'll definitely get into flags the supreme court doing real real shit yeah twice we're getting getting two decisions in the span of two weeks? They're setting us up, Miles.

Yeah, yeah. They got to put the rock the baby back to sleep again before they turn it up on us, huh? Before we get to any of that, Chelsea, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Well, you know, I like really jumped the gun on the intro here because I was going to do a big paternity trial. So there you go, guys. Yeah, just throw back to the beginning there. There you go. How long does it take?

What's your process to get? Because like, I love how you're like, yeah, I looked up this thing and then I found the first case. You know what I mean? How? How? How? Great question.

It is just like following every thread you possibly can, right? Right. I'll just be like pigs in American history and then just see what comes up. And then, you know, the nice thing about this Urban Legends hotline is I don't have a goal. Whereas like a lot of other episodes, I like want to say something. And in this i just am like let's see all right you want pig cannibals how what pigs are there what cannibals are there how they get mashed together let's try to figure out like if there's any truth to this legend and that's fun newspapers.com too is like you can dig up anything there i want to like if newspapers.com

you're listening please sponsor us because i will give you a passionate ad but yeah i think that's that's a that's a big part of it is yeah just trying to get some original stuff because that's the most fun when you can dig up something that uh hasn't been talked about very much for sure yeah newspapers.com is like shazam it's like one one of three good websites it's like follows through on the promise of the internet like when they were first inventing the internet they were like you know it'd be cool just like all the newspapers you just like find them

what are you gonna call it newspapers.com yeah actually wait how far back does that thing go 1700s oh shit oh it's very cool yeah yeah it's like 20 bucks a month and it is money well spent for our show at least it's like yeah yeah just on the front page what people search auto accidents 1956 los angeles california that's like fucking baby shoes unused like that's right why are you

looking into 19 don't worry about auto accidents yeah interesting what is uh what's something you think is overrated this is always my hardest part because uh i always want to talk about tech decks and hacky sacks which is what i always bring to your show but i'm thinking and i don't know if it's exactly overrated, but comparing it to my underrated thing is the Queer Ultimatum. Did you guys watch it? I'm a part. I'm like almost I'm almost three quarters of the way through. Right, right.

So actually, I'm just in the part where they just swapped and they're like with their new boo right now. Right, exactly. So I think comparing that, did you watch Are You The One, the queer season? Oh, yeah. the MTV one? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. See, I didn't even know about it until somebody else told me about it. And I'm watching this and I'm like, okay, this is an actual queer reality show where there is some hint of what it's like to actually be queer.

And I'm just enjoying it so much more. And the premise for people who don't know is that everyone on the show is either bisexual or pansexual or whatever you want to say. And so every combination is possible. And I mean, what better what better reality show could you come up with? you know, probably because it's on MTV and Netflix just blasted us with, you know, after that ad for it that Nick and Jessica Lachey did after the finale of Love is Blind when it was just like so weirdly offensive because Vanessa just said a bunch of shit. And then they were like, I didn't catch that. It was like they tried to bait what's his name i'm not gonna remember his name um into looking like he was being transphobic and it was really like the person he was with was actually acting like calling him soft and calling him all these different things that were implying that he was gay you remember this oh oh yeah jackalina and there it is there you go and they kind of

baited him a little bit into seeming transphobic and it was all very like i don't know it felt really weird and shitty and then they were like and now the queer now guess what all right now that we've done that exactly exactly so i think i don't know i haven't finished are you the one so i don't know if it takes some hard turn into some fucked up shit but for now i think it's i think it's so much more fun that is is my underrated and overrated. So your underrated is the queer season of The Ultimatum. No, my underrated is Are You The One season eight. Are You The One season eight. My overrated is The Queer Ultimatum. Ultimatum.

Yeah, the drama in The Queer Ultimatum, it's wild, man. It's so fun. Jack, you gotta watch this show, man. It's so fun. I'm curious to see what your take is as just like you're in a, you know, like a cishet relationship. I'm obviously like a cishet dude. But when I watch it, I'm like, wow, man, they go zero to a hundred real quick on this one too. Love it.

I love it. It makes for great reality TV. And the Are You The One thing really was like, I watched a lot for whatever reason. I've watched a lot of Are You The One. But always my thing was like, man, y'all need to just open this up to people who aren't just like it's just guys and girls all the time and it was one of the more entertaining seasons i don't know if i finished it though because i think like yeah like my free trial something i feel like you know we know how to do drama and it's it's a lot of fun you do it well

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podcasts or wherever you stream podcasts and we're back and we've spent a little bit of time over the past week puzzling over what the fuck exactly is going to happen in the 2024 presidential election on the Republican side. On the Democratic side, I think a lot of people, the mainstream Democratic Party was hoping it would just be a coronation, a long one long coronation of Joe Biden. But we're starting to see RFK Jr. with all of in all of his problematic anti-science glory pick up momentum. Like I'm just hearing people mention. I think it's just like a branding thing. It's just he that people are like, well, he's the other other guy so we like have to listen to him with roger stone too which is wild yeah and it's not like no nobody is saying rfk jr is going to challenge biden if biden remains healthy and able to run but that also is such a fucking question at this point like i feel

like i'm talking about a lakers playoff run with anthony davis like you know like a perennially injured player and yeah i don't know it's just it feels really tenuous well at this point i mean it is what i mean he's gonna run there's no we don't have anything viable in terms of a progressive challenger and the democratic side of the democrat side so it's just like because of that rfk jr is just getting the oxygen because there's really what i mean like marianne williamson you know what i mean and a few other people but really take off no the orb energy is not coming back around this time i don't think we're not getting that big orb energy we we didn't why was that however many years ago

seven years ago yeah but yeah i mean i think it that's just kind of what happened you know you just saw the dnc just completely changed the primary schedule around and just signaled everybody else being like don't even fucking think about trying to come at this guy right now. If you are a Democrat, if you're like a mainstream Democrat, because it ain't happening. Right. And yeah, and we all suffer because usually if you have someone at least to the left of Biden in the Democratic primary, it forces Joe Biden to start saying things that are to the left of Joe Biden to, you know, obviously find a way to court as many votes as possible. But I don't know about this time. He's he might just be like, remember all that cool stuff I promised last time? Yeah, that again.

That again. Except 2024. It would be nice if he had to tangle with it, you know, acknowledge that shit and like keep moving, keep like keep stay accountable in some way. It would also be good for him. stay accountable in some way it would also be good for him like the only people it's good for him to like run unchallenged is like the just you know james carville and like people like that who just have this idea that like you you just have to be as center as possible like the the there are people being like and uh somebody on the left would contribute to media stories about dems and disarray which is like they're really worried about that media narrative i remember

that like from when i listened to like the crooked media podcasts like they'd always be so hurt anytime there was a media story about like the democratic party being in disarray or like you know having it having problems it's like who gives a shit nobody cares it's just it's just like insidery like internally looking like gossip columns for democratic operatives and like nobody nobody cares i just don't yeah i i'm i i don't see i don't know who's going to enter the race at this point yeah and i mean it is what it is i think but again this is part of this is like the this christmas for the dnc because we talk about this all the time they're whenever they articulate a vision, it's like half fast,

like quasi progressive. And then but then they really lean on, but we ate them on the right. Yeah. And that's it. They're not selling people on a like real vision outside of well, we're not these people who are, you know, frothing at the mouth, like want to be fascists, or, you know, they they are, but you know, we mean, you know, that's, that's sort of the extent of it. So it doesn't, doesn't lead to the most inspiring campaigns you can have that paint a vision for people to be like, yeah, okay. I can, I can get behind something that is a little bit beyond just the fucking status quo. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so basically the democratic party is once again, going to sabotage itself with their logic that it's better to run to the center and they'll be able to run to the center because nobody's challenging them from the left.

Unless Cornel West is like willing to. So he's he's announced that he was running. First, he announced he was running on the People's Party ticket, which is terrible, like problem. A party just so full of problems they they're like first of all like not even 10 years old like seven years old the person who started it has all these allegations of like assault and a lot of people were like scratching their heads being like this is the really cornell west like you you kind of you have your shit together for the most part what what the fuck is this then then i think after he was pressed on a lot of these allegations, like, why,

why are you running with the people's party? And then he's like, okay, I'm also going to seek that. I'm actually seeking the nomination of the green party now. Yeah. So he's doing the green party now, which in the green parties, like we're, we welcome it. That's great. But that, I guess that's, even though that does make his campaign seem like it's not well planned out. I don't really give a shit about that. Like we need we need some chaos energy in here. And maybe it means that he'd be willing to audible and run for in the Democratic primary. I don't think he should do that.

I just don't think I don't. I don't. Someone like Cornel West, who's like an avowed socialist. I don't like just like getting just doing that dance. We see what happens when you come from the left, like truly from the left and run as a Democrat. Like they just they're just going to fuck you up and just just marginalize you. that we do need some kind of magnetic force to pull biden to the left because i think that's really the only thing that the democrats have in terms of like an evolution on policy like i get the need for that but there's part of me too like because we talk about all the time about

how are we going to have a like an effective real third party that like might represent like this whole cohort of progressives that exist and like you you know, leftists in the country. And it's you got to like, we need to start seeing some people enter Congress like that, too. Like you can't just be every four years. We talk about this thing like we need some other ways to begin establishing some roots within Congress also, that creates some kind of viable block of like a third party. And so that's why I'm like, I do like, I want him, you know, I, I see the appeal in that, but part of me is like, I just seems a little bit short. It's a little short sighted, but at this point we're like, we're just run, we're running out of like, I don't know, I don't know what is going to, what, what the platform is going to be at this point. Because

right now the Republicans are basically saying like, yeah, we don't need Medicare or Medicaid or social security and things like that. And that's just a gift to democrats who just have to say well i like it yeah and cornell west is such a like he's such a bernie sanders and that he like i remember when occupy wall street started and i was in grad school in virginia and uh it was literally just watching cornell west sitting at zuccotti Park and talking to all these people and just saying, this is like a loving crowd and everything. And I like got on a fucking bus and went there. You know, it's like he's got he's got like that, that special thing. But, you know, I don't know.

Other than pushing Biden left, it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen, which is a bummer. But, you know, because I think because we get in this cycle. Yeah, because like even right, even with Bernie in the last primary and other candidates with like slightly more progressive ideas than Biden, Biden said those things. Yeah. But when he got in office, he didn't fucking do any of it. So like in that sense.

Yeah. Yeah. Like so in that sense, I'm like, I don't know what that really gives us substantively. And I think that's where we have to kind of think a little bit bigger here and just know like this, like we're stuck in this duopoly. But we have to be a little more longer term and thinking like, okay, how can we try and claw this kind of thing back? And this is a conversation that's been being had and debated for decades now. Yeah. Right.

But, I mean, Cornel West is also a very young man at the age of 70. Right. So, you know, there's something to build here. We can build, you know. Yeah. Do something with this campaign and then maybe next time. I mean, who knows? Maybe next time. Maybe he can. You know, like I think that's what's what's potentially good, too, about him running is like he can just be his just a socialist out there talking about socialist policy. And it is what it is without him running as a Democrat and again, triangulating because he's running

as a Democrat. So it's like, you know, it's, it's, it's a double edged sword when you look at it. But again, I mean, like I've, I think he's, I think he's a great mind and the kind of person whose ideas are so sorely needed to be discussed out in the open on like a national stage for sure. Yeah. And if nothing else, like just hearing that message, even if it's not doing shit for the election is,

is something and hearing it said by someone who's so well-spoken and like an interesting person in that he's, he uses Christianity in such an interesting way, which I think is like, it is a doorway to more people.

And that's something. Yeah. And I think there's been so much, there's been a lot of like argument too because like he i think he announced his candidacy on russell brand's show and people were like what the fuck no that's not it no but i mean russell brand for like a while there was a very different person and maybe cornell just hasn't fucking caught up to yeah he's like last time i caught you was 2017 yeah i haven't caught

you since the pandemic oh what the fuck is this now i love that messiah stand-up you did yeah it's been a minute and then he also like wrote an op-ed like a lot of he was getting criticism because he wrote this op-ed about like that the wall street journal sort of used like one line of it to make it seem like cornell was heaping praise Ron DeSantis, which he was very narrowly about one thing he did. Yeah. And he and Cornell West was like, look, I disagree with him on 98 percent of the issues, but two percent. I do agree that, like, you know, the classics teaching the classics, teaching the classics.

I'm like, and then part of me is like, hold. But then I'm also scratching my head. I'm like, don't give Ron DeSantis not even a rose petal no we don't need to narrowly agree with him like that but you know he's trying to do coalition building in at a time that's just so crazy like the person you're building a coalition yeah i just think it needs to be someone like i think a real but you you know, person that would, could have some momentum to someone younger too, because, you know,

all of these people are straddling the same eras and have different ways of looking at politics. Even Cornell West. It's like, it's a bit, it's a bit different, especially for older black people. Like we hear all the time about like the whole respectability politics issue

and where people fall in line with that. And I think we just, it's, we're just like looking at the options i was like okay so who's grandpa is it right and we just need like we i think what's also missing is that youthful energy which would capture even more people because most people just feel like they're being talked to by an elderly person yeah but and it's like the fuck man you don't even know what the fuck you don't know what the word yeet means and you're out here you want to be my president yeah you better yeet the fucking

constitution out the window yeah it's just like one of those things where i think that's also a huge huge huge dimension to a candidate that's missing like someone younger would is like us would get a capture a lot more minds also. But, you know, here we are. We've see what happens, like the establishment and the DNC, the media can all come together. And like you've always say, Jack, like there's an aversion to anything left of the status quo and it will purge it if you play within that arena. Yeah, but there's so much hunger for it there's so much like i i feel like handle correctly he could run a a campaign that would get that would like build on bernie's momentum like the everything that we've heard about the sanders campaign of like 2020 is just

that like it it was the final wall it was just like running into the final wall and i don't know but it also signaled that there's like a shitload of like public support for a lot of these ideas yeah and i just i also feel like we are in a position for something historically bad to happen with this president who is just like so old and his vice presidential candidate it like there's just there's not a lot of like insurance for like something that could go up in flames we haven't bought home insurance and it's like kamala so like if he is physically not able to run in 2024 it's gonna be kamala harris like that's a true like nightmare that land could land you with trump as president in prison like it's just it's he'll get himself out if he wins right yeah yeah but yeah day one he'd get himself out. But yeah, it's it is just like we're living in historically fucking wild times. And the fact that there's not more flexibility or more kind of planning happening. And it's just like, well, we can't acknowledge that there's anything but the Democratic Party. It's just we're in a bad spot.

It feels like heading into this one. Yeah. People will be pinching their noses to the fucking ballot box. Yeah. Because, yeah, I mean, like that's and that's why I feel so hopeless, because like if you're if you're someone who looks at the Democratic Party, you're like, this doesn't fucking represent the fuck I think. Like, this is like maybe three, three percent it you know maybe yeah but then and then your only option is to be like well you know the establishment comes together to make sure that our only options are fucking just fascism now or like slow creep to fascism with like kente cloth you know right

like yeah taking a knee in the in the rotunda like it's just yeah doesn't it doesn't feel good it doesn't feel good but yeah i think that's why it's like you know building on finding another way to to sort of form a proper insurgent like voting block like i think is also critical to like a longer term like idea of how we can just move past it because i'm the democrats aren't gonna fucking hand the reins over to like socialists yeah it just feels like some of the conversation has been taken over by this like tactical like you know the political not not political activists but like the political operative class and it's like well how are you going to build that thing and it's it it feels like well i don't know it seems it seems impossible when you get into the like well

how exactly you're going to do it and it feels like somebody needs to provide the like why we're we're going to do it and then you know yeah people people and the just sheer amount of energy that like what will surprise people and the how will I kind of figure itself out? The thing that works against it is just the fear people have of Republicans taking over everything. Yeah. Which is why so many people who are who aren't Republican voters and are to the left of that or left of center right. Yeah. Are, you know, every time you hear something about like

well maybe if corner no he's gonna take votes away from biden and then what's gonna happen yeah and then what's gonna happen like that's all that's the knee-jerk response to someone like that has appeal entering is that they're just gonna get bashed down with like the fear stick of being like but then but then joe byron won't might not win and that's not good because and then you're right back to fucking you're voting crip every time yeah all right uh the supreme court has upheld icwa the indian child welfare act of 1978 which was aimed at preventing native foster children and adoptees from being separated from their families and tribes. The vote was 7-2, although the court didn't really engage with the challenger's central argument that the existing law unconstitutionally discriminates based on race because they had not suffered a concrete harm and could not sue was kind of their central idea.

But this all revolves around like an evangelical Christian couple who are trying to adopt a baby of Navajo and Cherokee descent and were able to still were able to adopt the baby despite ICWA. But they sued to challenge its constitutionality because, as one of the parents wrote on her blog, the law is destroying the hearts of children across the country every day and is devastating them. But when you really but when you start picking it apart, it has nothing to do with that at all. This was entirely about taking away the authority of Congress to protect the sovereignty of tribal land and people. And that's why every sick fuck and corporation that has been has a boner for taking like tribal land and shit lined up to fucking represent these people in the case. This fucking law firm that represented these these couples

pro bone were the same people that were working with the dakota access pipeline yeah like this was they took them on pro bono just out of the kindness of their heart because they cared about this couple and their children their other clients chevron and google yeah 100 and i think that's why it's it's really like you know the the opinions were really interesting to see like for neil gorsuch wrote a pretty pretty decent summation of everything that was like at stake here alito and thomas holy shit clarence thomas was like doing some made some debunked argument that didn't make sense alito was like i don't know like i think like white people if they're good like they should be able to take like a baby from wherever that's my dissenting opinion and the others were like this is absolute horseshit I think it's important to note right like the reason that whole the Indian Child Welfare Act even came to be was because of like the like very like very implicit policy of cultural genocide in the 1870s

with indian boarding schools and taking kids away and just taking just trying to assimilate the shit out of these kids so there's like no tribal identity and then on top of that these places were funded off the sales of tribal land so shit was so fucking backwards to begin with that this was like a small step in just like upholding this sort of sovereignty. But yeah, it's wild to think how many like corporations were truly like, they wanted at this because it would weaken a lot of other things.

It wasn't necessarily just about, you know, getting these babies into the right homes. Right. And what's so interesting, if you do look in the past of that, I think is like what we were talking about with the two party system is like the taking away of children was like a progressive stance because the Republican or not Republican because it's changed, obviously, but like the conservative stance was like genocide. thing at the time which i think is like kind of shows what we were talking about before where we're choosing between these two things and like one is like a slower process of the same thing right and so i think it's just uh yeah this is a big win and i'm so glad yeah two two decisions

man voting rights now and guess what is so you think is it damage control for the prior shit or is it a setup move for something worse down the road? Or is it, por que no los dos? Why not? Por que no los dos? I don't know. But it does feel like a bit of damage control because they're like, yo, we're fucking up bad. Like, let's do the bare minimum and uphold these things that are sort of the tenets of what our half-hearted society is here.

And yeah, I don't know. It definitely helps. I mean, we haven't talked about Harlan Crowe or Clarence Thomas' financials in a while. Yeah, he got that extension. He's got a cool professor who was like, yeah, you can have an extension. Thanks, prof. Thanks, dude. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll, yeah, you can have an extension. Thanks, prof. Thanks, dude. All right, let's take a quick break.

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People who went to the show and presumably like some of this is just they just like went to Party City. Right. But they're claiming they're claiming that they're that they're grabbing handfuls of the confetti, reselling it online. The pricing isn't that bad. It's only $13 for a pack of 10. But my reason for- Wait, I'm sorry. 10 strips of fucking paper?

10 pieces of confetti from the concert. I don't think you understand. It's from the concert that you miles. I don't think you understand. It's from the concert. Wait, you're able to get to, as we call that on the streets, you're buying a loose Fetty for 13 bucks. All right.

Buy a loose. Lucy's much less popular than buying, you know, regular confetti is confetti. Lucy's just a single loose piece of confetti. For sure. But yeah, they're claiming... One seller pointed out that the confetti is somewhat limited at the show.

Only floor seats and maybe some of the 100 sections can even get confetti. It's just such a perfect encapsulation of people who are already wealthy or well-connected enough to be on the floor right like the hardest concert to attend in recent modern history are just like gathering up the confetti from the ground i can tell you the trash from privilege world and sell it yeah yes yeah it's, elite confetti. You guys, I am going to tell you something that may undermine my credibility on the show,

but I have Taylor Swift tickets. Good. For the Seattle show. But the funny thing is, is I was able to get them, my partner and I were able to get them first round. It was no problem. We just got tickets.

And then suddenly everything exploded and came toppling down. I love that. So I'll be gathering some loose confetti and I'll send it to you both. We just got tickets. And then suddenly everything exploded and came toppling down. And so I'll be gathering some loose confetti and I'll send it to you both. I don't actually have good seats though. So I don't have a problem that you're going to the Ares tour. I have a problem that you can't get me loose fettie off the floor. That's my issue. So get it together, please. Well, maybe I can get, you know, maybe I can get in a fight for you and grab something from somebody else. Yeah, or cause a headline.

I'm willing to punch a face. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Cause a headline. Something like that. Another confetti salesperson pointed out that people are getting mad at her, but she's just following Taylor's lead because Taylor Swift has created an insane business model, a capitalist empire that's easy for people to jump on. And that fan is also flipping $65 tour crew next for $200 each. So, I mean, I appreciate the

hustle. Like these don't seem like they're, they seem like they're just trying to make money to recoup the fact that they might have spent an entire paycheck on these. I just love the passionate defense of that Fetty salesperson that said, Taylor Swift has created an insane business model. People are getting mad that I'm selling confetti at like $30. But what's crazy is that A, people are buying it, and B, you're in denial thinking Taylor Swift is not a capitalist. That's right. Oh my god. Because yeah, I mean like I've never seen somebody truly milk their

like audience like this to be like, yo, you could buy this album with one extra song on it and a new album cover. And they're like, yes! Yes! Like, yo, you could buy this album with one extra song on it and a new album cover. Yeah. And they're like, yes, yes. God, I wish I was in the wrong business. I think I might just go just to get some of this confetti.

The confetti. Like, I truly can't imagine anyone going through the trouble of gathering up the confetti off the floor and then like selling it for 13 for 10 strips like that how how much like are you bringing garbage bags with you like i just think this has to be some cargo pants cargo pants cargo pants i've already thought this out jack i've got cargo pants whoever i'm coming with as cargo pants and we're stuffing them shits. Yeah. How big are these single pieces of confetti? Because the picture does not have a to scale.

Are these big pieces of confetti? Are they small? Band-Aid size? What are we saying here? I'm thinking band-Aid size. I've never seen confetti. The picture is really close up. Really shows the texture. Full spectrum of colors too. Yeah. The colors, too. Yeah.

The colors are great. It's a good... Are we upselling right now? Yeah. You guys might want to get in on this. Honestly, I've purchased two packages, 20 pieces of confetti. You said that was an investment for your kid's college, right? It's for the future. For sure.

You get $2 off if you buy three. Yeah. Yeah. Business. Business planning. But, I mean, Jack, this is the same thing. you get two dollars off if you buy three so yeah business business planning but i mean jack this is the same thing like when those like wacky racist people were like bottling up fucking splash mountain water before they made it all woke yeah you know what i mean like probably the same water no i guess not they're probably shutting it down for a while who knows either

way it's like you don't know what the fuck if that's even what they're selling yeah right like yeah no you can go to parties definitely not because like i'm putting this in the same category of like it's not worth it to like carry that shit out with you like it's just so annoying to like be going to the concert and carrying out just like loose handfuls of confetti enough to make it like worth getting like so you would have to have 200 to even get like i don't know it's just you're making a three oh how do you pay for your like okay can't what's the formula to pay for your floor seat by selling the loose right after like the margins on the $65 a piece for $200 each. Like that kind of makes sense. But it's still like, are you bringing a fucking forklift with you to the show?

How many of these shirts are you getting? So I feel like these are all just grifters. Like the internet is just so full of grifters. These are not people who actually went to the concert. These are people just taking advantage like there's also somebody selling ziploc bags of eras tour air which i think is a joke but that's a straight griff man yeah come on now but again i but it's like this is just this is where we're at it's like the same you see the same thing in every fandom right like

especially with trump trump grifts his all of his fans yeah and they grift each the fuck out of each other you know because they see like oh shit y'all buy anything okay watch this y'all want trump bucks and people are fucking buying them if you are okay so floor seats for the SoFi Stadium show in LA, $3,500. Yeah. So quick maths on that. I need to sell like 300 bundles of loose Fetty. So you have to gather 3,000 pieces of Fetty while you're there. Okay, so a dollar. Which seems like a lot.

Yeah, that seems like a lot. Yeah, all right. I'm not up on the Fetty game, but it's a lot. But, or the smartest person are the workers who have to clean up after the show. And when they broom in that shit up, you're like, yeah, in a bag. I could watch this that I could sell it to someone who has left Earth and I could sell to them on eBay. Yeah. Hopefully that's that's who's doing this.

Or hopefully it's just a grifter. Or hopefully it's just a grifter. What is something that would seemingly be detritus to anyone else that you would pay actual dollars for? Is there anything like that for either of you, Chelsea, Jack? Even if it's something you thought of like, oh, something from this movie or something from this concert or this, even if it was this artist's fingernail. Right. from this concert or this, even if it was this artist's fingernail. Right.

Because I mean, if somebody could get me semen sample of grimaces. Yeah, my, I've got a, I got a big hair collection. So, uh, famous people that I don't talk that much about,

but you've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. I keep telling you, if I could get something from the Donner party, that's what I want. I'm a big Donner party scholar. And yeah,

if I could get, I don't know, I get some like dirt from their cabin. I'd pay some, I paid 13 bucks for that. Yeah. Just off the strength of someone being like, you know,

this is Donner. Yeah. This is fucking Donner. Open their, open their jacket and it's just full of. Yeah. fucking daughter open their open their jacket and it's just full of yeah i think i would i would probably buy like like a roach that any like one of my favorite rappers smoked oh yeah i feel like i will buy one of those for like for cash i mean i'm not gonna pay i'm not gonna pay like 100 bucks but if someone's like yo man fucking fucking Method Man was smoking this blunt.

I was like, okay, what? You want $10? You run out of weed, you just pop that in your bong. Oh, no, never. Never? Even when I'm desperate, I'm like, that's never. I'll die sober before I spark that Method Man rope job off for $50 on eBay. Yeah, like whatever the cleaning crew took out of the studio after like a legendary recording session would actually be pretty tough to have. Like even if it's like an old kookoo-roo plastic bag.

Exactly. Remember kookoo-roo? Yeah. You can hear that bag crinkle in the torture sketch at the beginning of method man all right let's talk about the hobby lobby satanic display yeah so this is like the most 2023 story of the day and it comes to us all the way from texas where an ai artist and member of the satanic temple mind you used mid-journey ai to basically take images artist and member of the satanic temple, mind you used mid journey AI to, to basically take images like loaded images of the like aisles of hobby lobby.

And the prompt was a hobby lobby selling satanic products. And what came out was stunning. Demons, all the goat legs, everything you could imagine that would make a Christian person faint as they clutch their pearls. But yeah, if you know, Hobby Lobby, the hobby store for Christian nationalists who like famously were like, we're not going to pay for fucking any kind of contraception and we can

discriminate whoever the fuck we want to, because that's our religious choice. So this person, Jennifer Vineyard made it, just wanted to fuck around with the AI and got these images and first posted it to like an ai like art page and then other people just without even critically looking at it started reposting it on facebook like this one woman you can tell she's like reposting from something called ai art universe yeah and then this woman says well i guess even the quote christian-owned companies can be bought for the right price severely disappointed holy shit i mean it's just i mean i get it we're in another satanic panic and nobody is you know just credulously sharing

shit but yeah it's just wild to see how quickly the thing spread and then again boom culture wars the size is the sizing is so far off it's really funny like the the sculptures the like head the bust of bafflement is like you know 10 times the size of the nearest thing one of them actually looks like they have little demons like sitting on a shelf next to like air fresheners and like live laugh love yeah like baby sized or like toddler sized demons just sitting there like five times the size of anything else in hobby lobby that you can see in the picture and they're just like yeah man and it's fucked up out there huh yeah if you go back to like the 80s satanic panic and 90s i think this is a great example of something that happens with an urban legend and especially the satanic panic is like

it's called ostension right and it's like when there's already some kind of legend right so if we think okay a town's already worried about a satanic cult because, you know, animals ate another animal weird and left its carcass there. Or, you know, there's been a murder and nobody can explain it. So there's already this panic around satanic cults. And so a teenager goes, and that's what I see here, is like a teenager going and spray painting Satan lives on like an underpass. on like an underpass and then because this person's reacting to a panic that already exists and having fun with it and like fulfilling it and fucking with it then it perpetuates the same problem because then the people who already believe in the legend take it seriously and teenagers wouldn't do that chelsea sorry sorry to jump in here and correct you and mansplain

teenagers would never do something so callous and chaotic as to uh play into an existing urban legend just to fuck with people no no no no not teenagers not my teenagers it is or those with a teen spirit who are making ai art temple like who's apparently like a pharmacist in training in the article they like have like yeah i'm trying to be a pharmacist but also like fuck fuck this like these people freaking out over shit the comments on our people was that i haven't seen this in hours but it's been a couple weeks since i've been in there that's insane another person had half a brain and said i'd have to see this in person before i'd believe it good for you uh dear facebook user another one said wow now this is crazy did the

christian owners sail or are they just in compromise and crossed the line and gone woke this is absolutely insane and the line real christians would never cross thank you so funny it's such a famously christian chain yeah that's's what I love about it, though. Which I think that's why they did it, right? I love the prodding of it to be like, well, what about your sacred hobby lobby? Guess what? They're in bed with Baphomet over there. And they're like, ah! We have nothing anymore.

There's another. I just love this one. Screw satanic people. Screw satanic people. Look, all I'm going to do is look after the qualifier. Screw satanic people look all i'm after they qualify screw satanic people look all i'm saying is that satanic people are stupid and obviously you worse the damn devil i think maybe meant you worship the damn devil and stuff like that and that's disgusting i could never and satanic people can go work right really where they belong which is hell

yeah okay at least they're working yeah go work yeah nobody wants to work anymore i thought yeah unless you're a satanic person and then you got you got you're late for your shift in hell you're working twice as hard yeah but i mean like i don't yeah this is it this feels like more of what we're gonna see more and more of shit like this to your point like chelsea of people already like on an edge or like on a on like a tight wire and all it takes is just a little bit of like visual stimulus to suddenly kick it right back in and be like oh my god this is true i don't even know i'm not even i can't even think critically anymore this is true That's all I needed to see because my confirmation bias is set to 3 million. Well, do you guys think that this kind of thing is helpful or do you,

cause I look at this sometimes and like, as much as I don't want to feel this way, I'm like, ah, you're really like, I think this is funny. I think it's great to piss and piss off and outrage and freak out people. But then it's like, it does have the same effect of just adding to this story. So I just, I don't know. And I don't think this person really meant that to happen because it looks like it just was pulled, right? It was pulled from some AI thing. And then they posted it like on Reddit

and like on their own Facebook and then just it took off on its own. So it wasn't a hoax, a purposeful hoax necessarily. I think it was probably half-hearted. See where it goes, see where it goes its own. So it wasn't a hoax, a purposeful hoax, necessarily. I think it was probably half-hearted. A little bit. See where it goes, because I'll make an image that people will take seriously now what people do with it after that. I mean, she said her one regret was that she didn't

spend more than 10 minutes making it. Because some people were like, I see pound signs next to the prices. I don't know if this is happening in the US then yet. And people were like, oh no. Yeah. Because in other countries, they put then yet. And people are like, oh, no. Yeah. Because in other countries, they put pound signs next to prices. To your point.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, for sure. Like, it prolongs this situation in people's minds, especially for the people who probably are not thinking critically and are just like, yep. And that's, yeah, it's even Hobby Lobby. And then someone will tell them that's fake. they're like but i believe it if it happened yeah um and the fact that it's hobby lobby is helpful to me because it's like you are like if you're gonna weaponize this against something then at least it's against you know that's the only reason i even brought it up because if it was someone doing that shit in Target or whatever, I'm like, no, this is like I don't like I see this pure cynicism in it. But because of Hobby Lobby's reputation as being an upstanding Christian company that discriminates indiscriminately like it is, then I feel a little less.

But I but I think it's an important thing. But I think it's an important thing. And I guess for you, someone who looks at this kind of thing, how could you like, is there anything anyone could do to abbreviate something like this? Because it seems like once it's out there, people are going to believe what they believe. And we see this in this especially post-truth era we live in, where even if they're presented with the truth, they still pivot to something like, yeah, but I can see how it would be real real and it just yeah yeah i mean it's a million dollar question i think and i mean i how do we solve this yeah yeah how do we get rid of the satanic panic since we did it so well uh before but i don't know i mean i i go back and forth because it does feel like an uphill battle that's possibly i mean this mean, this is so ancient. This is an ancient thing.

I mean, if you go back to like even Jewish blood libel with Christians saying, okay, Jewish people are satanic and they're sacrificing children. And you know, this is like a thousand years ago or more. So it's like, I don't know. I think it's just like we were talking about with moral panics all over the world. This is just the most entrenched thing because you're dealing with what you consider the biggest evil right and so when you have this especially like you have like a satanic child killer of some kind which apparently we all are you know it's easy then to justify whatever you want to do and so i don't think people are going to let go of the ability to

demonize literally an entire group of people or entire political affiliation or whatever, and then justify whatever they want to do in retaliation to that evil. So I don't know if it's... I think sometimes I get pissed off at certain celebrities that really play into sort of the satanic Illuminati thing as a lark, but I do think it has a lot of negative effects for people who aren't like massively rich celebrities in small towns who might say okay like this is connected to gay people because a gay artist has like really played into the satanic thing i think that that can have some damage but i would never say that it's not i don't know it's i really toe a line there of not being sure because

i do feel like sometimes it trickles down and does harmful things to really play into that. But at the same time, I don't know if it really truly makes a difference or if it's just entrenched and always going to be there. Right. I feel like the fact that these are all like the sizing is off. Everything's like just a little too stupid. Like I think that makes it extra fun and worthwhile like i have no notes on this because it's inherently like it's exposing the stupidity of the people who would get mad at this by being like this is yeah the hobby lobby is selling these like life-size satanic sconces next to Yankee candle decorations. And it's not even Halloween.

It's just like... Just take a serious strong stance. In the middle of the fucking lamp aisle. I'm looking at these. They're not even Baphomets, really. I don't even know. They're like dark angels with wings coming

out of their heads. Yeah, there's like one goatee head. But yeah, a lot are just sort of vague AI demonic regalia. I truly have no notes on this. I think they should have a second

thought about whether they should have spent more time on it, because I think they spent just the exact right amount of time on this one. I think shitposting is like one of the last like things that one of the last things we have before the fall.

Yeah. Like we have to like create truth that is like, I don't know. We need shitposts for comfort. Yeah. I think if anything go harder and make it like go for the most unbelievable thing possible where it's like they're selling jesus and baphomet 69ing like dolls in the kids aisle at hobby lobby like here they are and people i mean i'm sure it's just so funny because people are

like so it just it is again it's like horrifying too that some people are really like yep those are the stakes and that's the situation i'm in they are making this kind of stuff yeah yeah wow okay well anyway but i like satanic people you're gonna get so many comments where words that shouldn't be capitalized are and it's just complete capitalization anarchy. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I do love that satanic was treated as a proper adjective. Yeah.

So, again, this person. Screw you, woke moralists. Is that what that quote was from Jordan Peterson? Oh, yeah. Go to hell, woke moralists. It's not on my quote of the day calendar I have for now. Oh, yeah. Go to hell, woke moralists. It's not on my quote of the day calendar I have for now. It's coming up, though. Yeah, it's coming up.

Chelsea, such a pleasure having you as always. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? You can find American Hysteria wherever you get your podcasts. If you have an urban legend you want to share with us, even if you don't listen to the show, you can go to AmericanHysteria.com and leave us a little message. You might get it investigated. And then I'm mostly on Instagram these days, which is at American Hysteria Podcast.

And I am like terrifying, like I'm terrified on Twitter, but I go on there like once a day and that's at AmerHysteria. There you go. Thanks for having me, you guys. Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Ooh. You know, there's a podcast I really love called Bone Valley, and it's an investigative kind

of true crime podcast, but it made me just cry my eyes out in a good way, and it's about kind of a false conviction, and yeah, I would recommend it. I won't say too much more about it, but that would be my heartful recommendation. There you uh miles where can people find you is there work of media you've been enjoying at miles of gray where they got the at symbols if you want

to hear basketball talk well then check out miles and jack got that boosties the number one nba podcast on earth don Don't quote. I don't know if that's demonstrably true, but that's what it is in my heart. And if you want to hear me talk more about trash reality shows, including, uh, actually we're,

we're finishing up. Uh, love is blind. Uh, and also in the new season of, uh, before the 90 days, check me out on four 20 day fiance with Sophia,

Alexandra. And let's's see i don't know uh what else do i have anything oh i was just gonna say y'all need to be watching uh the other two the newest season oh god it's so good it's so fucking funny yeah it's just it it's like one it's like one of the most potently written comedies I feel like on TV right now. And it's just killing. It's killing it right now. So please, the other two, get into it. Amazing. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien.

You can find a tweet I've been enjoying at Peeting Disorder tweeted at the gym before someone teaches me the word spotting. Hey, bro, will you take care of me and protect me you can find me on twitter at jack underscore o'brien you can find us on twitter at daily zeitgeist we're at the daily zeitgeist on instagram we have a facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode as well as a song that we think you might enjoy miles is there a song that you think people might enjoy yeah you know i just like uh just stereo lab one of my favorite bands and also like one of like when people sample stereo stereo lab it's it warms my heart uh but i just want to go out uh just on like

one of my favorites tracks it's called uh The Flower Called Nowhere. Check it out. Stereo Lab. Something nice, vampy, and also like just like a good track to listen to, to go into your weekend. So here's Stereo Lab, The Flower Called Nowhere. All right. Well, the Daily Zeke is a production of iHeartRadio.

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