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But that's my favorite. Those movies are so great because the natural elements become the villain, which is so funny. Like, yeah, like what's the fire one? Backdraft. Yeah, backdraft really completely like personify the fire like it's out to get everybody. It's so but that one had a villain who was starting the fires. Twister and Twisters, I came to see, find out when I went and saw Twisters, are ridiculous films where it's like, I don't know, I guess it's the same as Jaws,

which is my favorite movie of all time. To be like- But at least Jaws is like a sentient creature, you know? Yeah, yeah, with the tornadoes, they're like, this tornado, this tornado is smart. They're coming back for us. Like, no. What about the Sylvester Stallone? Was it volcano or like that volcano movie?

Sure. Yeah. All of them. Yeah. Sylvester Stallone had Cliffhanger. Okay. In which John Lithgow was the bad guy. We were asked to believe that he could like fight

Sylvester Stallone in a climactic hand to hand combat on the side of a mountain. And there is a movie called Volcano though. And I want to see Tommy Lee Jones. Okay. Yes. I can bind those two in my head. Yeah. Yeah. Is that not Dante's Peak? Which one's Dante's? Dante's Peak is Pierce Brosnan. Pierce Brosnan. They were both.

Yes. They were both around the same time too, I think. It was a deep impact Armageddon scenario. Why don't they just get off the volcano? Why don't they just leave? You've always, that's always the first question. I'm assuming they had somebody stuck at the top would be my guess. I saw neither of the volcano movies. I was too good for them.

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I said it was a wee-woo-wee-woo. Wee-woo. But I like beep-boop-beep-boop. Beep-boop-beep-boop. Beep-boop-beep-boop. I'm a robot. Entering, yeah. Entering the digital code to get into the podcast.

Beep, boop, beep, boop. Well, I've uploaded my consciousness to the singularity. So it's not actually me. It's just some version of what might be my brain talking to you right now. Yeah. Beep, boop. Beep, boop. Well, it's great to have you back, Caitlin.

Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. We are thrilled to be joined by a very funny comedian, actor, writer, and improviser who Beep boop. Well, it's great to have you back, Caitlin. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. We are thrilled to be joined by a very funny comedian, actor, writer, and improviser who's special spiritually filthy. You ought to go check out right now. It's on YouTube as well.

Please welcome the very funny Mort Burr. Beep boop, beep boop, beep boop, beep boop. What's up, you guys? Thanks for having me. What's up? It's like the computer police. Beep boop, beep boop. Yeah, when the cop cars are unmanned. That's what they're gonna sound like.

The robot cops. What's that company Waymo? Waymo. Yeah. Yeah. Waymo trouble than it's worth, if you ask me. That's what this... Beep boop, beep boop.

Beep boop. And that is the new rim shot. When you're making fun of robots, that's the rim shot. Wait, how do you... It would be like, bam, bam, bam, but like, boop, boop, boop. Beep, boop, boop. Yeah. I don't know. Waymo takes a long time to get there and only does a certain area and it's a robot.

Yeah, and it does. I saw one the other day making a left in front of me and it totally felt like a ghost was driving a car. It's really strange. Like my robot brain, I was going to say my lizard brain, but now I'm- Caitlin, I think more it's a robot. But it's another robot. No, I can experience, I have empathy. What are you talking about?

What are you talking about? It is the new cow for me, the Waymo in the sense that I am incapable of driving past one and not pointing it out to whoever's in the car with me. Yeah. I'm like, hey, guys, guys, stop, shut up. There's a Waymo car. There's another way to drive. one and not pointing it out to whoever's in the car with me. Yeah. I'm like, hey, guys, guys, stop. Shut up. There's a, there's a way home car.

There's another one. What was that thing when we were kids, you'd like see a certain type of car and then you'd like slap the roof of your, the car you were in when you were driving by. Or you go like, does anyone know what I'm talking about? You say like Woody. Yeah, that's a nicer version of what? And there was like a Woody's Whacker or something. A Woody Whacker?

I like that. Do you remember the station wagons that had like a wood panel? Yeah, yeah. If you saw one of those, you'd go Woody Whacker and then you'd like hit who your sister that was right there. Right, yeah. I only got the Punch Buggy

and only found out about it after the fact. Two relatively peaceful sisters who did not beat the shit out of me. And so I just found out about it like on a field trip and you know, had to. We did. We did Woody Wacker, but it was only when we saw Woody Harrelson anyway. You grew up in the industry. Yeah, I watched a lot of Cheers. Yeah, okay. All right, Mort, Caitlin, it's wonderful having you both. We are gonna get to know you, Mort, a little bit better by asking you some overrated, underrated

search history stuff. But before we do that, we do like to tell our listeners a couple of things we'll be talking about later on in the episode in the news section. We're gonna talk about this New Yorker article on ultra processed foods. I've, I've been hearing for many years. It's actually not the like nutritional content of the food. It's like how processed it is or like how it's made that actually is

determinative if it's going to like kill you. And the New Yorker did kind of like an interesting nuanced look at that and like what the really bad processed foods actually are, turns out processed meats are not good. And then we have like a little tag onto that, onto the, uh, processed meats aren't very good aspect of it because there's the AP just foiled a USDA inspection report at Boar's Head factories and it is wild in there. It is fucking no bueno.

What's that book? The Jungle? The Jungle, yeah. Oh, really? That bad? It's junglesque in there. They're like, oof. It's mostly human fingers?

Yeah, it's just all ham is just human fingers and teeth and face meat. And then we'll either talk about the plethora of just unhinged Jesus movies that are coming our way in the next year or two, or we'll talk about the village people playing at Trump's inauguration, which. Yeah. They're going to, they really took that YMCA thing from being a gay anthem to being now like they're, they're like full, fully on board, although they claim like at first they were like, I'm not, we're not going to play his inauguration or anything. We're just going to let him play our song and make it more popular.

Now they're like, we are in fact going to play his inauguration. Along with Carrie Underwood. Oh, gross. Also, are they going to change the lyrics to M-A-G-A? That's kind of fun. I hate it, but. That's a good idea. Yeah, I'm kind of their band manager. It is a while though because nobody has been

more easily psychoanalyzed in public than the lead singer of the village people, Victor Willis, who is the most avowedly straight, like just keeps reiterating how straight he is and how nobody would ever, anybody who calls it a gay anthem, he's not just saying, I'm going to sue them. To double down on the fact that he's not gay, his threat is that his wife'm going to sue them, to double down on the fact that he's not gay. His threat is that his wife is going to sue them. Anybody who calls YMCA gay anthem, they're going to hear from my heterosexual lawyer wife. Heterosexual married to.

Yes. So we'll probably end up talking about that one. All of that, plenty more. But first, Mort, we do like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? You know, well, speaking of people that like cars, as we know, I grew up skateboarding, I'm the skateboard liaison to this podcast. So it's usually all skateboard stuff. But when I hit 40, there was this midlife crisis thing where I got super into cars. So right now I'm just obsessed with owning a like $4,000 Mazda Miata. That's like what I've been looking at primarily on my search engine.

Yeah. Yeah. What like a, just a really cheap, reliable, uh, tiny, tiny, tiny little boy car with, uh, that's a convertible. That's my, that's my dream right now. Ooh. Yeah. The Mazda Miata, the little, yeah, that one's fun.

Yeah, they're like indestructible. They don't weigh anything. They're very dangerous to drive because no one can see them, but others can see them. And like they might accidentally squash them like you would a bug. Yeah, yeah. They're so much smaller than the increasingly giant fucking pickup trucks that prowl the streets of New York City. Or Los Angeles. There's Dodge Rams.

God, yeah, Dodge Rams. And then they're like, you know what? Rams aren't fucking masculine enough. We need a Raptor. Now there's like fucking trucks called Raptors that are all over the place. And they're like, I don't know. I know a lot of people who I like,

who are like, man, I would love to get a Raptor. Oh, the Ford Raptor. The Ford Raptor. Yeah. They're like, fuck you, Dodge and your your weak ass Ram. You know, get his ass kicked by a ram. I'm waiting for like the Chevy football or like the like. Yeah, yeah. The Ford divorce. The Ford Silverback Gorilla. Yeah, yeah. It Ford Divorce. The Ford Silverback Gorilla. Yeah, yeah.

It's the Ford Divorce. How's the car hunt going? It's all right. I don't know. Whatever. I'm looking on Facebook Marketplace usually and like offer up. So it's going to be a fun little adventure when I go to whatever random home in like East Los Angeles is going to sell me one of these things.

Is this your first experience with a wheeled vehicle besides a skateboard? Are you going to have to like, someone going to have to show you that like you sit inside this one and there's like a, there's an engine that moves it around instead of you with your leg. Yeah, I get on top and try to push it like a Flintstones mobile or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man.

So, so much to learn, but similarly you probably could just like use your weight to like get it to do an ollie. Cause it's so small. I never even thought of that. I should, I can kick flip this tiny car. Flip the tiny car. The Miata. Step on the rear fender and it like pops off.

It catches the front of it in your hand. What more is something you think is underrated? Underrated right now, I'm gonna give you two. First of all, altruism and general kindness to others, which is what I'm seeing a ton of in Los Angeles, which is so great. It was one the other day, somebody did, they turned a boutique

into a free boutique. Did you see that? So it just looks like a normal like boutiquey store that they're giving the clothes away for free. They're limiting like 10 items per person or whatever. Wow. That is just, and I'm seeing stuff like, people are being like, we don't, this isn't gospel anymore, but like two days ago, it was like, we don't need any more donations and we don't need any more volunteers. That's how much people are coming out for this. I just want to like let that, I mean, I know people are aware of it, but I'm just seeing it everywhere. And then- I think it's gonna, I do just want to say on the, like, I think there's going, when we're going to need it is like a week from now, like with the volunteers and the donations.

It's like once it's no longer on the front page. But yeah, it has been really cool to see people all come together on this. Yeah, it's all super grassroots and all through primarily Instagram. So it's like a really cool connective thread running through everything, which has been very heartening out here. Yeah, it has been really cool connectives, red running through everything, which has been very heartening out here. Yeah. Yeah, it has been really cool. And then, yeah.

What's your overrated? Well, I want to do with my second underrated, which is there was a period when snack, they were making treats that were like oversized that were like, first they started with the Hershey's kiss that was giant. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. And then it seemed for a while they made, Taco Bell did a collab with Cheez-It where they made a giant Cheez-It. Mm-hmm. And I always had the idea for, I was always,

I called it one big Cheez-It, and I wanted it to be, I wanted it to be a Cheez-It the size of the box, you know? So, I just thought that was a really powerful movement in the snack world, and I want to see, like, I want to see one big, one big ruffle, uh, you know, regular lays potato chip, whatever, just one giant, you know what I mean? I want one giant one. I want one big thing of, I want one giant grain of rice.

You know, I want every item of food to be made like that is small to me. You made one in huge. They kind of have that in like Korean food has these rice noodle, like rice cake things that I'm drawing a blank on the name of. But they are almost like a big, they have the consistency. They're a little more chewy than that, but that does feel like you're cutting into a giant grain of rice a little bit.

It's just so fun. It is. I love the idea of a giant. Do you feel like Taco Bell ripped you rice a little bit. It's just so fun. It is. I love the idea of a giant. So do you feel like Taco Bell ripped you off a little bit? I honestly feel like so, yeah. And I was talking about it a lot, too much. People were asking me to stop talking about it. So I feel like that. I had a similar thing in the early aughts.

When I was a young person, I was adamant that M&Ms needed to make a pretzel M&Ms. Like they needed, I loved chocolate covered pretzels. My main problem with chocolate covered pretzels, too much surface area. They melted, uh, make a pretzel M&M and they eventually did, didn't give me any money and they also did a bad job of it. The pretzel M&Ms sucked. Yeah, those ones aren't great.

Not good? No. No. What was the problem? They're just, bad job of it. The pretzel M&M sucked. Yeah, those aren't great. Not good? No. What's the problem? They're just, I don't know. It's easy to get a bad pretzel. Pretzels can have bad, they're not idiot proof. You can have a bad pretzel.

I feel like these are bad pretzels. And also the pretzels are too small. I think it needed to be mini pretzels covered in chocolate, covered in M&M coating is what would have made it really sing. But they weren't ready for that. No, you're like me, you're a snack, Snack Nostradamus. Yeah, yeah. We're real thankless.

Visionaries, it is tough. Well, I remember a few Easter seasons ago, and they probably still do this. I feel like during holidays, like Christmas and Easter, they'll have like huge versions of like a Twix or a Reese's or like a Hershey Kiss, like you said. And a few years ago, I got my hands on a very large egg shaped Twix bar. Whoa. Twix is my favorite candy bar.

Whoa. But the problem was the distribution of ingredients was way off. Like there's way too much caramel and like not enough cookie parts. So like the thing about enlarged snacks, I'm for it. I have a few pitches even. Like a bowling ball sized, what are those?

Like Ferrero Rocheres? Or whatever those fancy chocolates are. In the gold or whatever? Yeah, the chocolate balls. Can you imagine something huge? But you would need to really nail the ratio on that one. The ratio is very important, and I feel like they usually get it wrong.

So it's very delicate. Yeah, truly. No, I mean, they need us on the, I'm perfectly prepared to start designing these candies for people. Yeah I'll give up everything to do that Even your master me on it keep offering to give up your marriage Great I'm like the YMCA guy we're doing so good. We're doing so good. We're so straight and in love. Yeah, it's a...

So I like the big cheese that that's the size of the box. The ruffle that's the size. Like that one's interesting. I think you would have to like create a new packaging for it, but I do think it needs to happen. Like I'm convinced 100%. Me too. I think even would have to like create a new packaging for it, but I do think it needs to happen. Like I'm convinced 100%. Me too. I think even like the, first of all, the sales are going to be astronomical. I think that just like untold billions, because it's going to take a lot of money to design these.

Like I know that they literally spend millions of dollars perfecting like the ruffles chip and stuff. That's why they're so addictive. And yeah, it's going to be at least that amount of money to make it six times as large. And then yeah, the packaging, it's a whole thing, but it's going to pay off. It is. I fully believe that. We are going to be talking about how much all of the best like scientific minds of the past three to four generations have just gone into like making food addictive.

Like that's what they've done. They're the problem they've tried to solve, but we'll get to that in a moment. Uh, what is something, do you have anything you think is overrated or just too underrated? Well, this is cool. Cause I, this is movie related. So I'm glad that Caitlin's here. Cause I want to know what she thinks about this.

I think very recently I've decided Harmony Kareen is overrated. And here's why. The D he's been like palling around Miami with Jared and Ivana Ivanka, like him and his wife, they're going to like Zionist fundraising stuff, all this like, like hanging out with basically the worst people in Miami. And he started a skateboard company called, called edge Lord, like hanging out with basically the worst people in Miami. And he started a skateboard company called, called edge Lord, which he is an edge Lord. And unfortunately they have like interesting skateboarders on there, but it made me rethink all of his movies where I was like, if you've seen gumbo, he wrote kids.

He's like this kind of like, he's this art house or tour guy. Bring breakers. Was that the name of that movie? Yeah. Spring Breakers, he directed. The other one of his I've seen is Beach Bomb. And between Spring Breakers and Beach Bomb, two of my least favorite movies of all time, so I'm fully in agreement with you Mort about him being overrated.

I think he sucks. Yeah. And there's like, have you, did you see Gummo? No, I didn't see that one. Yeah. So you see his early stuff. He has, he actually, there are aspects, have you, did you see gummo? No, I didn't see that one. Yes, you see his early stuff. He has, he actually, there are aspects of his filmmaking which are kind of masterful.

Like in some ways he's able to make some stuff really beautiful, but all that stuff is like this very shocky, like it'll be like this really strange looking sort of boy in a bathtub, like eating spaghetti. It's this very, but now I look at it and I'm like, wait, do you just hate poor people? Like, is this all of this just supposed to be like this is the spectacle with no heart or capacity for caring? I get to very I don't know.

I already was like really on the fence. And now I'm like, oh, he might be just like have been evil the whole time. But he is really funny on Letterman. That's the only thing about him. I need to go back and look at the Letterman interviews because otherwise not, not a fan based on what I've heard so far. And kids, the script, I feel like is not the thing. It's not, is not what's cool about kids. I barely remember that movie. So I'm seeing that Harmony Crinn has a child named Lefty Bell. Lefty Bell?

Uh-huh. That's probably like a reference to like a silent film star or something, I imagine, just the way that he rolls. Calling his skateboard company Edge Lord is pretty on the nose, but I guess nothing he does is not on the nose, right? It's pretty... Yeah, it's just a whole weird thing. I don't like it.

Yeah, man, I don't like this. I don't like when right-wing stuff happens in skateboarding. It's just a whole weird thing. I don't like it. Yeah, man. I don't, I don't like this. I don't like when right wing stuff happens in skateboarding. It makes me feel very icky. Feels. Yeah. What is the, what's the scene? And we got Mort, our man on the street for skateboarding here, our skater on the skateboard beat.

Uh, what, what's the vibe like? I mean, we've seen, at least Nate Silver is telling me there's been a vibe shift everywhere across social media and a lot of different subcultures toward the right. Is that happening in skateboarding? It feels like kind of anathema for skateboarding. What's up, Jack? I'm here talking to a lot of teens out here on the skate beat, these teenage boys and gals.

Uh-oh. Look, skateboarding can be, it's like a guitar or something that could be used in any capacity you want it to be. The really cool thing is that there's been a huge growth on the opposite end of this, which is like, there's like a lot of LGBTQ plus skateboard, a lot of queer skateboarders,

at least two queer owned skateboard companies and a lot more like women and non binary people in skateboarding who are making it way better. Like it's they're doing this really interesting. It's a bunch of them like rip, like they're really, really good. And then some of them are doing this thing where they're like, we don't care if we're good. And that's really important because skateboarding, you know, it's been 14 year old

boys for most of its most of its entirety, right? So there's this, there's this kind of a little bit toxic rule, you know, thing that happens there. So aspects of skateboarding have actually, have actually shifted way towards the left, which is so necessary. And then there's these small sections of people who like, say that who's the there's this dude, damn, and I can't remember. It's actually good that I can't remember his name. This like right wing podcaster guy who is like a terrible pop punk band and also claims to be a skateboarder. He does skateboard, but luckily he has awful style. I'm forgetting his name, but he was fully was, he's the guy who was being funded by Russia. Like there was an expose where all that he was one of the main dudes. And you're like, yeah, of course he was. That's wild. Yeah, it really is just fucking Russian

money and billionaire libertarians all the way down. That's the, it's all, all you need to do is be like, yeah, fuck it. I'm right wing. And there's suddenly a money truck arrives at your house. Yeah. And especially this idea that like, I'm cool. I'm hip brother. It's such like, I'm not a cop dude. You know? Yeah, exactly.

And it's like working in some places. Yeah. A lot of these fucking influencers are just like, yeah, it's actually, what's cool is thinking this Republican president is cool and edgy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, man. Shit.

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And we're back. And so there's a New Yorker article about nutrition. I generally feel like nutrition is the heart. One, I think it's fake. I don't think food is real. I think they actually just come and inject us with the nutrients we need in the middle of the night. And then the food is all made of wax. It's an illusion. When you're a robot, you don't even need it.

Exactly. Thank you. None of us are robots here. What do you do? Beep, boop, beep, boop. Robot police show up, give you, charge you up. My food is the plug in the wall. It's just so, it's like gun statistics and shit like that, where there's just like these massive multi-billion dollar interests

who have vast networks designed to make it impossible to learn the real information from inside America about nutrition or how bad guns are, et cetera. So we get our information largely just through word of mouth and Yahoo articles that can't make their fucking mind up about whether chocolate and wine are good for you. That's basically all is just like back and forth on that one issue about like how red wine actually good for you. They, they generally the, the mainstream consensus is like, you just got to

eat enough of these foods. They'll never tell you to eat like less of anything because that is anti-capitalist. of anything because that is anti-capitalist. So the latest kind of trend in the world of nutrition is focusing on ultra processed foods and it became kind of this popular villain where the idea is that something about the way the ingredients are broken down makes them like harder to stop consuming. And it's like the, the food is like already broken down. There's all sorts of chemicals that are in there that make them absorb

into your body differently. They've done all sorts of tests where like, when people eat certain things, like their blood glucose level shoots through the roof and all sorts of things happen to your body that shouldn't be happening that make your body basically crave more food. It's creating a thing where by eating food, you want to eat more food. Oh, is that why I'm always hungry? Yeah. So that's the thing

It's like they in reading about this like and there's like a lot of writing on this people people talk about like get as you cut These out of your diet you become less hungry as you're eating less food Because you're not like getting these weird Signals to your body, but it's like, it's more nuanced than that. So the article is basically like, it's not, it's not the ultra processed aspect of it. Like you can't actually focus it on that. It's like more nuanced than that. It's hyper palatable ultra processed food and also like super calorie dense ultra processed food. So when they're like using the processing to just like jam pack a bunch, as many

like calories as possible into the food, our body like, I had kind of always, I read this book, Salt, Sugar, Fat a long time ago. That's about the way the food industry basically took the, like a lot of the top scientists were working for the tobacco industry, because that's where the money was, like in the fifties and sixties. And then they were like, well, shit, this is, this isn't good. We're all going to get sued badly. And so they started like buying, like RJ Reynolds bought an Abisco and a lot of that same science started

going into like, how do we make food the thing that's addictive? Because like addiction is the best thing for like a capitalist enterprise. Like the person just can't stop consuming. And so that book I came away from being like, the issue is just they made the food taste too good. Like they, there's these- Boy, did they. They really, yeah. Like, and you read like the stuff, the scientific, there's like people who are like considered geniuses within their field for like inventing this thing called like mouth feel. And they're like the mouth feel. And we got like the mouth feel and we got the perfect mouth feel on the

like nacho cheese Dorito. And like, it's a thing that like never your mouth never stops getting tired of eating and like, it's just impossible to like stop. And so the thing that this adds to it is like when they're using the ultra processing, even if it like doesn't taste incredibly good, what they call in this study, like ultra-palatable, it's still people, like if it's super calorie dense, there's something in our body that is like really like gets a charge out of eating like a calorie dense, not hyper-palatable, but ultra processed food.

And they found that when they give that stuff, even if it doesn't taste incredible, when they give a diet that is ultra processed and really calorie dense to people, they eat 800 more calories than they otherwise would. If it's ultra palatable, like the Dorito Oreo, the ones that have gone through that process, they eat a thousand more calories. But they did find that when they served people ultra processed

foods that were neither calorie dense or hyper palatable, like the example they give is liquid eggs, flavored yogurt, oatmeal, turkey bacon, and burrito bowls with beans. People ate essentially as much as they did on the minimally processed diet. So it's not like the processing that is the problem. And like that, what, one of the points to like one of the nutritionists who is like, thinks the ultra processed thing is like bullshit makes is like in their world of like ultra processed food being the bad guy, like they have canned kidney beans in the same category as like gummy bears. You know, it's just all, they all have like chemicals and so they're all bad.

And it's like, no, if the food is just ultra processed and is not super hypercharged with like tons of calories. Like that you'll be able to like eat a normal amount. It's just. Speak for yourself. Yeah, right. I'm just killing these. I just moused a full whole can of kidney beans right there.

Can of kidney beans over here. Yucky. And then just some liquid eggs, you know. Liquid eggs, take a shot of liquid eggs. They really made that one sound terrible. Most troubling two word phrase I've ever heard in my life. I know, right? But yeah, I don't know.

Like it is. It's not so if it's not the ultra processing, that is like good news because like that that food is much less expensive. So it's like, you know, you just have to. I don't know, like they don't have a great solution for this, but they do seem to suggest that like the two types of ultra processed foods that do shorten people's lives are sugary drinks and sodas and processed meats. And then when you actually look at like hyper-processed breads, cold cereals, dairy products such as flavored yogurts and savory snacks, it actually makes, it's actually

not bad for you. It might be like better for you. It makes me live longer? It makes you live longer. You can eat- Okay, back to my goldfish crackers. Makes me hotter? Okay, I like this. I like this. Well, yeah, it makes me look better naked. That's right.

Makes my stomach taut. Great. Yeah, the That's right. It's my stomach, taut. Great. Yeah, the problem, right, the problem is not the processing. The problem is the food design. The problem was like, is this created by a man like with a beakers and a lab coat feeding stuff into a computer and designing food that way? Yeah, with like a chart of like your hunger spiking, like, you know, and being like, wow, we've

noticed that on the eighth chip, that's when the hunger and the craving for more actually spikes to its highest levels. That is like literally the type of shit that they do. So I think it's just, I don't know, like we might just need to go product by product, but like I do feel like as I was like reading this and thinking through it, I feel like it's just a matter of like kind of thinking about how the foods that I eat actually feel and like taste to me. And like there are certain cereals that like they raise the idea of like shredded wheat being a

cereal that is not even an ultra processed food, even though it comes in a box. It's like two ingredients. It's fine. But shredded wheat fucking sucks. It sucks shit. It's so nasty. It sucks.

It's like shouldn't even be considered a food. At least the name is awful. That's like, it's like fucking cold paper. Like it's the worst. And that's what it's like fucking cold paper. Like it's the worst. And that's what it tastes like. It tastes like you poured milk on packaging material. But then, like, have you guys ever had raisin brand crunch? Yeah, that's like raisin brand crunch is drugs like that shit is for me.

It's so much better than regular raisin. It's impossible to stop eating. I hate it. I hate raisins and I hate bran, but you throw a crunch in there. Oh, I'm smiling. I think like every, every single like flake is coated in like three layers of like crystallized sugar. So like never, never get soggy and is just the sweetest thing that I've ever like tasted in my life.

But I'd be interested to find out why evolutionarily, we're so into that sweet, delicious crunch. Because I'm like insane with chips, I can't stop eating insane amount of chips. Yeah. That mouth feel. Right. I think they've hijacked our evolutionary processes in such a way that we, yeah, we just like can't stop doing it.

And that's the point of it. But yeah, you're talking about addiction, you know? I'm sober because I'm a hero, the greatest hero. Congratulations. But you're totally right about addiction and capitalism, you know? And the wild thing about it is you don't really feel the effects of addiction until you stop. The problem is not when you're actively using.

The problem is how do you live when you're no longer using the raisin-brand crunch like opioids? You see what I mean? Yeah. It's... So we're all gonna, at some point, we're gonna like, it's the phones, it's the computer, it's the food, all of this stuff is designed to be addicted, you know?

Yeah. I think the- Well, also like we can't live without food. So they're like, they're capitalizing on our very basic, you know, very basic necessities of life. And they're like, how do we make this even? Because, I mean, let's be honest, eating is one of the few enjoyable things about life. Everything else about it sucks, but eating, like the joy and euphoria

I feel during every meal, I'm like, weee. I love life right now while I'm eating. But I'm having a great time. But like, it's just, it's really sinister that they're like, how can we inject a bunch of stuff that, yeah, from like an evolutionary point of view, it's like, you know, sugar entering our body is probably like some, there's some signal where it's like, oh my God, like this is important. Or this is like, you'll be able to store this as energy or this will be used as energy that, you know, that you need to go do something else. But we're, but we're so like sedentary. Our bodies are like machines that are like designed, like one of the primary functions is

like, not starving. Like that, that was all like at the time that we, our bodies were being designed by natural selection, the main thing that they were concerned with is not starting. So we have like these fucking alarms and like all these like bells and whistles built into our circuitry. That's just like, yes, oh, really that more of that? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Don't stop. And this is the same thing about like a need for social validation, right? It's like, please don't kick me out of the cave, you know? So if you like my post, it's the exact same thing of like, oh my God, I feel safe, you know? And okay, so I'm going to say something kind of harrowing right now, which is that like, the thing about being addicted to stuff is it does seem like the entire world is a nightmare

except for doing the thing that you're addicted to stuff is it does seem like the entire world is a nightmare except for doing the thing that you're addicted to. So like, so I think there's so much of the stuff that is designed to get us high in some sort of capacity and that like true joy doesn't come from a high, it's like a much different experience. It's about something about like settling into reality and appreciating the present and all

this stuff, but it becomes super hard when you're like fed all this hyper-addicted stuff all the time. Yeah, my experience with addiction was a lot of like, almost having a separate person or like, you know, entity in my body that was like acting behind the scenes of my consciousness, like at a subconscious level. A venom, if you will. A venom who was like making decisions in such a way that like, it would make me want my,

you know, the thing I was addicted to. And like, it would make you not want other things, that like everything else would seem like it sucked. You know what I mean? And it talks to you in your own voice. So for me, it tricks me into thinking that I want this thing, but it's like, I don't necessarily want 11 beers on a Tuesday, but I think that I do because my voice is Tuesday. A lot of people drink 11 beers on a Tuesday is the voice in my head. Yeah, we got Taco Tuesday and we got 11 beers Tuesday. A lot of people drink five or a couple four work.

Most people, most people, most people are actually, that is the thing that I remember from being an addiction and like talking to other fellow addicts at the time. We were always certain everybody was also like, like, oh, that guy's, that guy's so high right now. Look how high that guy is. It's like, no, man, he's probably just sleep deprived. He probably has like a kid at home, you weirdo. But anyways, I was always certain that everybody was just as high as I was. Yeah, I think there like it's a might be a bad way to organize your society. This capitalism, after all, because it's, yeah, it just, it seems like one of the kind of mind bendy ideas they talk about on the thing is like people having to re train their taste buds and their hunger because you're in this like boom bust, like meth

equivalent of food consumption that engineers like high highs and low lows. And you stop being able to taste like non ultra processed foods as much until you like get yourself off of them for a while. Like I had to do this every few months. Like I will, I'll be on a stint where I'm like, Oh, I'm eating so many like vegetables and fruits and you know, like whatever lean proteins and like stuff that's good for your body. And then winter rolls around and I'm like, well, I need to eat three pizzas. Like I just can't, like I keep, I can't train my body to, like, get all the way there.

I keep returning to, like, the bad processed addictive stuff. Yeah. Well, it is, I had to quit most sugar, like, I don't eat much sugar. Well, I don't eat sweets, right? Like I don't eat, cause I, and not because I'm a saint, cause I, again, transferred the addiction to Snickers bars. So I was eating like a bag of gummy bears and Ben and Jerry's and all this shit. So like so two crazy things happened when I stopped that,

which is that my depression went from being like a week at a time to like an hour. Right. Yeah. And that was also based on how much I was using it, you know. Yeah. But but now for sure, like I had a grape the other day that straight up tasted like Skittles or something because my body's not used to that insane level of sugar anymore. It's pretty great. And also because they're genetically engineering Skittles grapes.

Oh yeah. When I say grape, I meant the handful of Skittles. A grape-flavored Skittles. Yeah. So, I don't know. It's the one, the one process, ultra processed food that it feels like there is broad consensus about is ultra processed meats, which have never seemed like added. Just at a young age, I was, I was eating so much cold cuts. That was like a huge chunk of my family's diet. Like it was just, and I,

I remember having the thought, what the fuck is this? Like going to the grocery store, having, you know, my parents order a pound of sliced ham and watching them take the giant ham shaped like globule and like put it on the slicer gelatinous yeah yeah like and put it on the slicer and just being like that what what but like what could it even be like i you know like in in my head i was like eating sliced turkey like off of a turkey and And so recently there was a Listeria outbreak at a Boar's Head factory. And people started wondering, Hey, what we've all trusted for like a handful of decades now that Boar's Head is like high quality, pure shit, like really good stuff, let's, let's start taking a look in inside Boar's Head factories. And it's like, I mean, it's like, I mean, it's like, I mean, like really good stuff. Let's, let's start taking a look in inside boars head factories. And it's wild.

Like that. So they just, uh, the AP just published like some of the FOIA reports and like one, one of these USDA inspectors, I'm just going to quote from, I'll just do my personal favorite. Like there's stuff about like ham mold storage rooms and residual ham material. This was written up in the defector, which is a great, great website. Like, thank God there's still good websites out there. But while observing designated floor trash personnel clean around the department, I noticed him used a stainless steel hook to pick up a small piece of meat,

approximately the size of a baseball from underneath the bench where meat was being pulled onto the line. So the line being the thing that was meat, meat goes into the inbox and comes out as the meat conveyor belt thing that is in yes, the meat conveyor belt. But this was, this is my favorite one, from a report filed September 16th, 2020, from the USDA inspector who, I don't think this was like an undercover inspection. I think like they just like went in there. They're like, guys, the inspector's here today. Be sure to pull the ham

baseballs with the ham hooks onto the line to make sure it all looks good. But this was- Hey, has anybody cleaned the ham hook in any, in four years? It's looking kind of rough. Looks like it's got about a little bit of residual ham material. That was the name of my hardcore band. It's a great name. That was the headline of the Defector article and people in the comments are just nonstop talking about residual ham material. From September 16th, 2020, I observed four deluxe ham large babies, deluxe ham large babies, all capitalized on

the conveyor. Those things, those ham globule things are called deluxe ham, ham, large babies, because they're the size of a baby, I guess, and pink like a baby. I observed four deluxe ham large babies on the conveyor belt. Pass through the- You have the same natural instincts that you do around a baby. Yes, exactly. Pass through the conveyor metal detector, set it off, and then bypass the reject arm.

Upon further investigation, these hams failed to slide onto the disposition cart adjacent to the reject arm because the cart was already overflowing with approximately eight other hams. Eight other ham large babies. Just giant ham babies, like clogging up the works from just, and nobody entering, nobody like emptying the rejected ham baby cart that's my hardcore band name ham baby ham baby rejected ham baby cart we got a ham baby loose under the bench somebody get a hook it's so why it's the most Yeah. Look. I feel sick.

It's so wild. It's the most, this is, it's worse than any dystopian movie. Like I'm thinking about like in The Matrix, the worst possible thing when they show actual life where everybody's like in the pods and they're all. Yeah. That was at least clean and sanitary. Yeah, it was worse.

Everybody was separated. Everybody was separated. Everybody was separated. It looked like a soft landing, you know? Everybody was just chilling. We're like in Snowpiercer when, sorry, this is like kind of a spoiler. So skip ahead a few seconds. Yeah, but the bug thing where they find out

that the bars of jelly that they eat is just ground up bugs. That seems more appealing than a factory full bars of like, you know, jelly that they eat is just ground up bugs. That seems more appealing than a factory full of like ham babies bouncing around. This is making me be like, we made a huge mistake all those years ago when we stopped eating bugs. I've talked about recently the theory that the reason we like crunchy snacks, like the reason that's coded into us is because

we at that time when we were like our brain was being wired to not starve to death. The thing like a big part of our diet was bugs and like that's where we got most of our protein from eating bugs. I like ruffles because they remind me of an... Because they remind you of eating crickets. Yeah, and like the one of the reasons that this is a theory I like ruffles because they remind me of an extra skeleton of a bug. Because they remind you of eating crickets. Yeah. And one of the reasons that this is a theory, just besides raw stoner energy, raw stoner thought experiment. That's all I need. That's my peer reviewed essay. But it's because people crave crunchy stuff when they need protein.

And so it's like that. It would make sense that the crunchy protein that our system is wired to crave is the crickets. And that's probably where we're headed eventually, Beck. So they need to take this ham and make it crunchy. No. Yeah. Oh, God. And then we'll eat that.

You ever have a piece of a cold cut with something hard in it? It's not the really put me off cold cuts for literal hours. That one time. I had a bum literal moments. Yeah. I wonder what the process is to legally adopt a ham baby. Yeah, it's not as easy as you'd think. Not as easy it should be. There's a lot of people out there. All right, let's, let's take a quick break. God, that took a

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and maybe his sister from Full House, whose name I can't remember, Candice Cameron. So the other day, the first trailer dropped for a new animated film called King of Kings, which tells the story of how time traveling Charles Dickens takes his son to the past to hang out with Jesus. What? Katelyn, you teach a screenwriting course. Yes. What are we thinking?

A student comes in with that pitch and you're just like, yep. Let me see where you're going with this. Green light. I mean, I'd be curious, but, uh, time traveling Charles Dickens. The time travel story telling it would appear. He's like, boy, I'm going to tell you the, and he does speak like this. No British accent at all. I'm going to tell you about the, uh, best story ever.

So Charles Dickens, famous storyteller, we're just going to have him say best story ever, the story of Jesus. And it, it looks like a Christian Pixar movie, but they seem to be including the crucifixion in the, in the movie for children. So I'm just picturing one of the vegg for children. It would appear so. I'm just picturing one of the veggie tails being nailed to a cross. Yeah. It has veggie tails nailed to a cross energy. It's unclear whether Charles Dickens intervenes to try to stop the crucifixion,

thus creating an alternate timeline. I'll add back to the future too. But- Interesting. We'll see. Okay. I'll add back to the future too, but we'll see. Interesting. Okay. It has, so, all right, all of this not out of the ordinary in the sense that there are

plenty of pieces of Christian entertainment that are released every year. Where it gets weird is that this is the cast. The voice of Jesus will be played by Oscar Isaac, Mark Hamill, Kenneth Branagh, Uma Thurman, Forrest Whitaker, and a bunch of other actors whose names you've heard before are also going to be in this movie. So this is like a mainstream Hollywood production, it seems. But then it's being distributed by Angel Studios, which are the sound of freedom people. The people who made that movie that was about

white TikTok Karen version of human trafficking, where it's like the human traffickers are everywhere. It takes a real man to go and steal our kids back. And yeah, yeah. And then that guy turned out to be like, it was based on the true story of this guy's life who that guy's true story turned out to be completely full of shit. But it's, uh, yeah, it's, it's kind of, I don't know, we, we talked years ago about this idea of like, are we headed toward like a repeat of the 80s where like all mainstream culture just like went right wing, like everything,

you know, like in the Reagan 80s, it was just like, everyone was like, yeah, I guess this is what we are, we're yuppies and we're all right wing and like John Hughes and action movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. He's going to beat up Russia in this one and Russia is going to be like, thank you, we like you, we wish we were America. And then that will be my favorite movie from age four through like 10. But, you know, are we headed in that direction? It feels like there's definitely a mainstreaming

of right-wing shit happening. We talked on trending yesterday about how Carrie Underwood is singing at the inauguration, the Trump's first inauguration. They had to bring in some real deep, go real deep on the bench for singers to perform. And now they have Carrie Underwood and the village people, which we talked about. They're fascinating story.

But I don't know. There's also just a bunch of Jesus movies coming. There are two other animated feature films about Jesus coming out this year. I don't think either of them feature Charles Dickens, weird choice on their part. Yeah. And then Tree of Life director Terrence Malick is going to be releasing his long gestating The Way of the Wind, which it's like a more grounded take on Jesus story. But it sounds, it almost sounds like it would be like an offensive story

about a native American, you know, the way of the wind. I love Terrence Malick actually. I do too. Yeah. He's a great filmmaker. So it's kind of interesting that like, this is, this just seems to be, I don't know, people are also suggesting that this might be part of the trend of movies with, you know, public domain protagonists. Like, you know, they made that Winnie the Pooh slasher movie. Maybe people are just like, and what if we just, you know, start taking the original

public domain guy, my man, JC. There's also a Martin Scorsese, unconventional Jesus movie that's supposed to be coming out. And of course, Mel Gibson's sequel. What's that? Didn't Scorsese, what's it called? Last Temptation of Christ? Yeah, he made a Jesus movie. He did his unconventional Jesus movie.

With Willem Dafoe, right? With Willem Dafoe as Jesus. Yeah. That's an amazing move. And also, the craziest thing about Willem Dafoe is he watches interviews with him. Have you guys seen these? And he's just like the sweetest theater nerd in the world. Oh, yeah, yeah.

He's more like Jesus than anyone else. Yeah. Jesus, the original gentle theater nerd. And then Mel Gibson, of course, is making his sequel to The Passion of the Christ, supposedly. He talked about it on the Joe Rogan podcast. I don't know if you guys saw clips of Mel Gibson on the Joe Rogan podcast, but he appeared to be flying on something or other. Well, processed food, probably. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. He had half a ham sandwich and his blood glucose was through the roof. That's right. But yeah, it's his sequel to Passion of the Christ, which I thought had like, you know, a good ending. I don't, I don't think we needed a sequel passion of the Christ where that, that movie, by the way, was like a massive blockbuster. That's one of those news stories that like looking back just seems so strange

that that was a huge blockbuster. I still have never seen it. It's not worth seeing. Yeah. It is what worth seeing. Yeah. It's, it is what you expect. It is punishing. You're just watching somebody get the shit beat out of them for an hour and a half straight like that.

Yikes. Yeah. But his plan is a sequel to that movie. That was just like kind of a long, slow, plotting snuff film. Uh, this one will feel like an acid trip and tell Satan's origin story. Also, Jim Caviezel will play Jesus again, possibly with the help of de-aging technology since, uh, it's been 20 years since they made that movie, but only three days are supposed to have passed.

That's kind of Jesus' whole thing. So it'd be weird if he was just like weathered. Well, it didn't work, but it happened in the Hobbit movies where these characters who are supposed to be immortal, like elves and wizards and stuff like that, they look visibly 10 years older, but it's supposed to be a prequel to War of the Rings. It's a hell of a week, guys. They celebrated really hard. Hobbits need a nap. Yeah.

Oh, it's supposed to be a prequel. Yeah. Never mind. And that doesn't really work. Yeah. But they look 10 years older. Anyway. I guess there's a movie, a TV series called The Chosen, which I was not familiar

with, but that's making waves. And people think that's why all of this is happening. Yeah. I feel like Hollywood thinks, you know, they feel like they're leaving a bunch of money on the table by not producing the stuff. Like they saw how well that blockbuster about human trafficking did, and they're like, yeah, let's get it. Yeah. And that's the top-most aspect of the entertainment industry, right? That's the, the common aspect of the entertainment industry, right? It's like, yeah, let's make this hot Jesus, which if you, he has perfect, like perfect hair, great shredded abs looking, looking good.

Yeah. How do we make the story of Jesus addictive? Something that people can't, can't put away. Um, we'll serialize it and turn it into a streaming series with cliffhangers. Anyways, Mort, pleasure as always having you on to check in from the skateboarding scene and just check them with the zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Yeah. Thanks for having me, man.

I'm so glad I have a niche on the show, which is the most important skateboard news. Yeah, you can find me at man. I'm so glad I have a niche on the show, which is the most important skateboard news. Yeah, you can find me at Mort Burke on all the socials. And is there a work of media that you've been enjoying? Oh, man, work of media. Boy, oh boy. I was just going to read. Here's a classic Rob Delaney tweet that tragically has become relevant again. I'm truly sorry I voted for Trump. I only wanted disabled kids to lose their Medicaid.

I didn't want people to know I'm racist. Yeah. Caitlin wonderful having you guest host as always. Where can people find you and is there a word of media you've been enjoying? You can find me on Instagram at Caitlin Durante. You can listen to the podcast I co-host with Jamie Loftus, the Bechtel cast where we talk about movies through an intersectional feminist lens and

the piece of media I've been enjoying. I just watched a film called Salt of this Sea. I would highly recommend it's available on Canopy. It's a movie directed by a Palestinian filmmaker, Anne-Marie Jassir. And I just watched it because we're about to cover it on the Bechbel cast. So tune into that episode shortly. But yeah, it's about an American born Palestinian woman who returns to Palestine and tries to like get money that belongs to her family that was in a bank and tries to like visit her grandfather's home that he was forcibly removed from during the Nakba. And it's just like a really moving,

beautiful movie that I would highly recommend, Salt of This Sea. There you go. Can I real quick plug a thing or two? Yeah, please. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I'm gonna weirdly have a bunch of stuff right now. I'm doing a set at Flapper's tomorrow. If you guys want to see Stand Up in LA.

My podcast rebrand is, we're 12 episodes deep with my wife, Ashley Burt. She was an excellent, hilarious comedy writer and the show Mythic Quest comes out on the 29th, which I'm in a couple episodes of the season. Oh, nice. Cool. That's awesome. And check out Spiritually Filthy on YouTube. And I'm maybe going to do a, if people are interested, I'm pitching the idea of doing a benefit Zoom standup show. We did one last week and raised like 1,700 bucks. Which I was shocked by. Yeah.

Friends of mine came through really hard. And I think it was a cool, it was just a cool way to give an opportunity to people to like help around the country. So if anybody, if people are interested in that, it would be like a $10 minimum donation. I would do it on Friday the 25th. So hit me up on Instagram if you're interested. Who books that? Do you need any comics for it?

I'm just kidding. I might come through. Yeah. This is just skateboarding. Yeah, only skateboarding. All right. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find me on blue sky at Jack OB1, the number one. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website dailyzeitgeist.com where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

We're a link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Super producer Justin, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? This is a song I love to play in my car. It's a fun fusion of this dark off-kilter pizzicato string plucking over this like fragmented slow turning bass heavy beat. It's really really fun. There's this lyrical motif with the word creep from the TLC song from the 90s and the wordplay is just really on point. It's a Mick Jenkins, a rapper from Chicago and Ice Cold Bishop out of LA and they both

just go crazy on this track. So it's short but really, really good. So this is Creep by Ice Cold Bishop and Mick Jenkins and you can find that in the footnotes. Footnotes, the Daily Zeitgeist is a production of iHeartRadio for more podcasts from iHeartRadio. Visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's going to do it for us this morning, back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will talk to y'all then. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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