The Daily Zeitgeist - Harlan Crow Luhh The Kids, GUTFELD! = SUCKS! 05.05.23

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

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Miles, may the 5th be with me. May the 5th. Yes, yes. No, you messed that one up. Yeah, I mean, for a lot of people who are like just sort of broad cultural holiday, there's Cinco de Mayo. Also National Astronaut Day. Also African World Heritage Day. National Astronaut Day. Yeah.

That's great. Because they don't get enough credit. They're out there doing the hard work of rocketing into space. Yeah. And we just don't give them enough attention. No glory on that job putting their bone density on the line by being up in zero gravity it's also national space day as well international day of the midwife national cartoonist day national hoagie day hoagie days bro

hoagie you go down to uncle yugi's to get a hoagie oh hell yeah school lunch hero day which i'm not day, which I'm not sure what that is, but it's probably one of, like, we'll talk about this, where we just have a day to recognize a very important position in our society. And then that's just one day, but don't ask about it. Lunch hero sounds like one that deserves a day because I don't even know what it is necessarily, unless it's a hero that you get for like a heavy it's basically people who work in school cafeterias oh okay well let's see that's great astronauts i feel like we're good i feel like astronaut every day is national astronaut day in my book they're getting there they're getting there yeah for sure but anyways my name's jack o'brien aka why are there so many songs by Waffle House? Let's give someone else a try. He's a great poster.

He has his own podcast. I'm sure he's a really good guy. But I've heard him too many times to ignore it. There's something that I really need. Someday I'll hear it on the daily zeitgeist. An AKA written by me. That is courtesy of Right to Post. He's exercised his right to post that AKA multiple times across the years.

So figured might as well give it up to the man. Yeah, got to. Give him his national right to post day as well. You heard it. An a.k.a. written by you, sir. Wobble House, still the king. I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! It's like gray, yeah, on your wedding day.

I'm just saying that because it's raining right now in LA, and I had nothing else to say. Also, is your boy, Kusama, the Blackanese experimental artist. Thank you so much, Jack, for having me again. You know what I mean? We're back out here. So nice to have you, Miles. Thank you so much for having me. On your show. Yes, Miles. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, absolutely.

Well, we are thrilled to be joined by an award-winning writer, photographer, podcast host, editor, whose podcast, 10,000 Things, just launched its second season with a great episode about names. We talked about names yesterday. Baby names, yeah. Keep it going, baby names. Please welcome to the show, it's Shin-Yi Tai! Shin-Yi! Hi, it's great to be here. Welcome. Welcome, welcome. Hey, it's Shin-Yi Tai! Shin-Yi! Hi, it's great to be here.

Welcome, welcome, welcome. Hey, it's great to have you. Thank you for being here. Yeah, and also a fantastic poet. And don't you know it? Yes. I hear too. We're just classing up to join today with our guest. How are you? You're in Seattle, correct? Yes, I'm in Seattle, Washington. How's the weather up there? What are you looking at up there?

Today, it's really overcast and rainy. And I woke up in the middle of the night because the roof was just getting pelted with what sounded like hail. It was really heavy rain last night. Oh, nice. I'm a big lover, big supporter of rain because we don't get it much down here. But yeah, got to say that. I woke up to my kids saying, our closet, it's raining in our closet so that was good wait what happened that was like there's a latch there's like a latch that pops off into the roof and it just

blows open sometimes and so it was just open all night while it was raining into my kid's bedroom oh so there was quite literally it was raining into the closet while it was raining into my kid's bedroom. Oh, so there was quite literally, it was raining into the closet? Yeah, it was raining into their closet. Oh, I love it. When you got a handyman like me around the house, it doesn't really, things like this tend to happen. Right. Yeah. I'm surprised that scotch tape didn't hold up.

Right. That you put on there. Chingy, your new podcast, or it's not new it's the second season but it has a new name yes thousand things yes exactly and you just did a brilliant episode about names we were talking baby names yesterday and how the internet how social media is how there are now baby name influencers i don't know if you came across that during the course of your research. Your episode was very thoughtful and a level up from what we do here.

But not sure if you came across any baby name influencers during your research. No, I did not come across baby name influencers. I was more looking for stories of, I think, people who had made very intentional name change choices and that had been transformative to their identities. Yes. Right. Because you said you were named after Doris Day? Yes.

Yes, that's right. My father loved Hollywood movies and he felt like Doris Day was virginal and wholesome and all American. So that's how I got my birth name. Wow. Got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah. It's, it's funny too. My mom's Japanese. And when she, when her and a lot of her friends immigrated here, they also had this idea of like, what are American names going to be? And like they, oh, my one mom's best friend, she was like, I like Stephanie. She kept it with Yoko. She came over. She's like, no, I'm gonna stick with Yoko.

You know, I thought it would be Stephanie and other ones are like Melanie. There was all like, they had all the knee endings to it too. I was like, okay, you like a bit of a sing-songy American name. And then you, and then you went,

what was sort of like the decision to sort of cast aside Doris and then have Shin-Yi be your name? Yeah, you know, so for the first five years of my life, I actually went by my Chinese name, which is Xinyi. And then when I went off to kindergarten, I grew up and went to school in Riverside, California,

specifically like High Grove, which is like an unincorporated area between the San Bernardino and Riverside County. So it's very mixed race, brown and black, working class community. And having a Chinese name really marked me as being very different. And there was also,

I think, the challenge that people couldn't pronounce it correctly. So until I was five, I used Shen Yi. But after that, between the years of about five and, I don't know, 22, I went by my American name just because it was something that people could pronounce. And it allowed me to just fit in a little bit more easily. And then at the point where I had an opportunity to travel to my parents' native land of Taiwan in my early 20s, when I came back, I felt like I had all these unresolved questions and sort of longings to better understand my cultural origins and my relationship to Taiwanese identity. And that's when I decided to reclaim my Taiwanese name, which had been given to me by one of my uncles. And it wasn't just like, you know, a random pick from like a hat

or something. It was, you know, he spent some time really doing some fortune telling and divination to look at, you know, the stars and the planets that were in the sky when I was born, and really picked this name that had, you know, certain qualities that were meant to kind of offset my temperament, I suppose. And so, so for me, it's like a, it's like a Dharma name or a name of great significance in that when I use that name and when I carry it, it really summons forth these better qualities of myself that I hope to better awaken. Oh, wow. That's interesting. Cause I think a lot of people are like, oh, that name suits you or it like fits your personality. The idea of like giving a name that offsets your

personality is interesting and like very nuanced. It's like, yeah, you got too much Stephanie in you. So we're going to need to bring it down a little bit and give you something else. But you don't know if your uncle consulted a tiktok name baby name influencer when doing that divination so we can't say for sure right i'm pretty sure he like consulted the eaching yeah yeah okay all right yeah that's wait so and how does and i just don't like give me an understanding because you said your temperament you come off as very calm and very you know very like stable like, stable. Like, so what is, just so I can peer in a little bit, what is like, sort of what's that balance of the energies

and what is the name sort of doing? So I can kind of understand that a little bit. Yeah, so Shinye translates as happy treasure. And I feel like the poetic kind of, you know, recasting of that is optimistic jewel. And I have fairly strong, negative, pessimistic tendencies, kind of like glass half full or empty kind of perspective and a lot of catastrophizing. And so I think, you know, the the counter to that is really to kind of like invoke the light. Wow. Okay, I need something like that. Yeah, I'm right there with you with the glass half full. Although it's slowly getting more or half empty. It's slowly becoming half full for me.

I feel like your name suits you much. Your name fits your personality. We were talking about this yesterday. I always wanted my name to be DJ. DJ does not suit you at all. The dumbest. Yeah, and I was like, I don't know why i think for me though too being black and japanese and being around a lot of white kids yeah like i was named after miles

davis and like a lot of kids like what the fuck is that and i'm like that's the coolest motherfucker ever yeah but also they're like but like their kids named dj where i was like oh this is the coolest kid and i was like man i just want to be like that. But again, come around to really understand why it's significant to your parents and your family. And then you're like, are you right? You know what? I got to embrace that. And yeah.

And now it suits me for sure. Yeah. Do you think DJ Jazzy Jeff's first name was DJ? Potentially. For a while, I thought people's names, even DJs were just like, oh, DJ. Okay, cool, cool. Sorry, Xing, you were gonna say

something smart and i interrupted you and said something stupid go ahead i will say that miles davis was the epitome of cool so you have parents with like high taste yeah yeah it was funny the only person at my school when i was a kid and i was like i remember i think i i said i didn't like my name and i remember the school librarian shot on Miss Barkley. She was like, no, no. She was like, she was one of those librarians who like you knew probably smoked weed

and like listened to jazz and shit. And that's why they're like, they're around books all the time because they're like, I like, this is my vibe. She was like, no, Miles Davis. She's like, she's like, who are you named after? Like Miles Davis,

but no one knows who that is. She's like, I know who that is. And I think it's really cool. And I was like, thank you, Miss Barkley. Just you helped me feel good in the library now. Hell yeah. I felt like librarians were really important to my early sort of formative life, like just in terms of the resources and culture that they provided to children in a town like Riverside

or Highgrove. And yeah, they were kind of just like cultural agents that really opened up the world for me. Truly. Yeah. Because they're the kind of people who cultural agents that really opened up the world for me. Truly. Yeah. Because they're the kind of people who are like, oh, what are you into? And then they can get you into books, you know? And like for the longest time, I was like, we're the comics.

It's like, well, what do you like? You like adventure stuff? You like something like this? Try this, try this. And I was like, okay, I'm seeing the light. I'm becoming a little more literate now, thanks to you. Yeah. Handpicked curation before AI.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Seriously. All right, Xing, we're going to get to know you a little more literate now thanks to you yeah hand-picked curation before yeah yeah right seriously all right shing you we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a moment first we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about just the the harling crow hits keep coming so do the epstein ones there there's a like the epstein papers larry summers that guy heart former harvard president was just like going out to dinner with him all the time. We're not going to talk about that. We are going to talk about the details of the Harlan Crowe paying for Clarence Thomas' kid's tuition. Hey, it's not my kid.

Yeah. It ain't my kid. He was raising as his son. Yeah. And he was like, well, that was a gift to my son, not me. Yeah. You know, otherwise my six-year-old would have paid his tuition. Uh-huh.

So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about the Proud Boys being found guilty of sedition. A little sedish. Yeah. We'll talk about Greg Gutfeld, the only, the last late night show host standing because his writers are not part of the WGA. Because he doesn't really have writers because he doesn't really have jokes. But he is the second most popular late night comedy show going. So, well, look at his background.

You'll be shocked to learn that his background is Maxim Magazine and Stuff Magazine. Ah, yes. The height of thought. Yes. All that, plenty more. But first, Xinyi, we like to ask our guests, what is something from your search history? Yeah, I looked at my search history last night and I was actually looking at event venues for a friend of mine who was hoping to produce like a public event in Seattle. And so I was just like pulling information for him about some of the venues in Seattle. For about 20 years, I was a public programs producer and curator and spent a lot of time in the public event space working for organizations like Atlas

Obscura and for different museum and cultural organizations. And so I was just pulling together that information for my friend and telling him, I don't think that you should pay for the space. I think you should find a way to devise a pitch that makes you sound mission aligned and just get the space. Nice. That sounds smart smart that is the most serious search history i think we've ever had like the the most practical and like you're getting shit done search history that i can remember on oh what am i doing i'm helping friends do some things with an event and strategizing on how to minimize the cost for that. Wait, so what did you do with Atlas Obscura? Yeah, so I was like the head of the Seattle Obscura Society. So I basically

established and grew their in real life presence in the Seattle market and produced events here for four years. But my role grew and expanded. So at the point where I was kind of finishing up my work with them in 2020, I was actually overseeing our events programs in places like Philadelphia, San Francisco, L.A. and Chicago, D.C. Yeah. Oh, fantastic. You're also currently civic poet of Seattle. It's like my introduction for you could have lasted 45 minutes. It feels like. Oh, yes. These are plaudits. Yeah. They're like all these art installations in your background. It's really cool. Dick's driving. Just want to get your thoughts on that.

Well, I don't actually eat wheat. I'm gluten free, so I can't eat a burger and they won't customize your burger. like for instance if you go there and you say i would like a lettuce wrap no bread they won't do it that way they only do it one way which is like give you a burger and wrap it like with the bread and wrap yes no they just only make it one way the fries are not bad my son really loves them yeah oh someone after my own heart yeah people. People are like, I like, I love the fries there. I have a thing with that sort of texture of

falafel. Oh, are they the mushy? Yeah, they're the mushy ones, right? They're not crispy. They're not crispy.

Soft, mushy potato. No, mashed potato sticks forever. Saturated in oil and grease. Yes. Yes, yes,

yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. Yes. What is something you think is overrated? Well,

yeah, I was thinking about that. My mind could change on this, but I recently tried earlier this week of floating float tanks and sensory deprivation. And I had an interesting experience, I think, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about it as a as a practice that could be like relaxing or even like creative or contemplative I was I just had this really hard time relaxing I think into just trusting that the the float staff would tell me like when my hour was over and they told me like they would play loud music you know like when the time was done and I just kept waiting and waiting and the music didn't play and I finally like climbed out of like the float tank. And it was like an hour past

the time and they hadn't played the music. And I think I was just also like when you're in the tank, you hear like this dull drone. And I listened to like a lot of experimental music. And then I was hearing what sounded like echoes of like a female voice. And so I was just, I didn't even know what the music was like supposed to sound like. So I just got like really neurotic. And so I was just, I didn't even know what the music was like, supposed to sound like. So I just got like really neurotic. And so it may be more like, you know, I had an expectation and, you know, in that way, I, you know, I couldn't manage that properly. So it isn't really overrated, but I found it a little bit overrated. Yeah. Because like in your mind, half of the time that you thought spending to be sort of contemplative and like in a still space, you were just sort of had like this anxiety about like, do they know like when to play the music and am i hearing it and

because i don't want to you were correct they just left you over time and then yeah they left me over time by four minutes so like by the time i had i was just like this is like this is late maybe they forgot or like the music's broken so i just like climbed in the shower and then they just started playing this really loud instrument instrumental music and i was like oh okay i get it you know right there was like this other moment where i was like in the tank and you know like you float around and so there are these like buttons where you can access like the lights and the music and you know so i don't know anything about it so please set the stage for me i know jack you've done it right once i did it once I'll talk about my experience after.

So it's like a giant saltwater kind of bath designed for like somebody who's the size of like an eight foot athlete. And they put like 94 degree warm water in this bathtub thing. And they put like 20 bags of Epsom salt in it. And basically you float in it. And then there's some buttons on the side console where you can basically like turn on like the the blue light or like you know kind of like constellation style lights and they recommend that you do it in the dark and i was like really going hardcore i was like you know they want they said you know the best experience is if you do it in the dark so i'm just going to go for it even though that might make me anxious and so i didn't do it in the dark and then there was this point where i wanted to turn on the lights and I couldn't find them because I kind of like floated off like towards the back or the side.

And then I got like really, really anxious and freaked out a little bit because I'm like feeling around the panel and the sides and the seam of the thing. And it was just like me not being able to relax. And I'm sure if I went like a couple more times, it might be like a different experience. But it said to me a lot about like my need to like control and to know and like my my challenges around like surrendering yeah right right yeah for sure it's it's there's definitely something unnerving about it and if you have any claustrophobia i wouldn't recommend it or at least the one that i did. I did not have like the constellation option or anything like that. Mine was just it was the closest I've ever come to time travel. Like I went in there, I closed my eyes and then the music started playing. And I was like, wait, what what just happened? And I went out and an hour had passed and I don't know what happened other than I just like had the deepest sleep and like didn't realize I was even asleep it was it was really weird it's like the yeah that's a very positive experience that sounds I think so but then I was like incredibly tired for

like 48 hours after that so maybe it was just it reached a level of like relaxation that my body needed. But you're saying you're listening to good for the day. You were listening to experimental music. You said that you're kind of into experimental music or that was just part of what was playing in the float tank. No, like in my in my life, I listen to like a lot of drone and experimental music. And I think actually the hum that was coming from the float tank was just kind of like the mechanism of like the machine itself. But I don't know. I hear music and a lot of things that just seem inherently musical.

Yeah. I've even like I have a newborn and even the white noise machine, like I hear like harmonics in the white noise where I'm like, I was like, hey, I think the garbage truck is backing up. And she's like, what? I'm like, you don't hear that beep? It, Hey, I think the garbage truck is backing up. And she's like, what? I'm like, you don't hear that beeps? Like, no, it's the white noise machine. But it's just, it's just weird how I'm the same way. Like I can pick out a lot of sounds or there aren't. I don't know if that's also part of like my sort of being up, like wound up sometimes

and being in a state of like, sort of like, like threat assessment on occasion. But yeah, I can, I can I can definitely, that resonated with me. Is there a particular like mechanical object or just a sound that you think makes really good music, even though it's not actually music? A mechanical object? You know, like I used to have this really cool like heating vent in one of the apartments that I lived in.

And when I could clean the heating vent with, like, Q-tips because the dust would get, like, in the metal vents, it would make, like, these really wonderful, like, pinging noises. And, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. in New York City apartments and they make some of the strangest like little pinging and like weird noises because they're

just chunks of metal that heat up and that's how you like heat your apartment in New York City and like they make these weird sounds anyways. Wait, so Shani, when's the album coming out? Never. With the Q-tip, with the Q-tip. Do you listen to

Matmos? I don't know who that is no matmos they're like uh these producers who like would do like bro i got into them because they did an album that was all just surgical sounds that they used to make an album with and then like they worked with like bjork and stuff like that but they're they're kind of like in that world of like sort of audio sort of artist kind of thing. Yeah. I would love to shout out a group here in Seattle called the Seattle Phonographers Union. So they are this like collective of composers who go around gathering found sounds from wherever.

And then they like play them back and live mix them in live performances, usually in like really weirdo places. Like there's this abandoned or repurposed military air hangar in Magnuson Park in Seattle. And I hosted them once when I was working for Atlas Obscura in this place called the Georgetown Steam Plant, which is this defunct steam plant that stopped operating like in the 1970s or 80s. So they collected all these like steam plant like noises and then they played them live. And that was just really lovely. Oh, is that the park that's like right on the water? Georgetown Steam Plant is down by the Duwamish River in South Seattle, south of downtown.

And it's owned by Seattle City Lights. And it's not operable, but it's this historic space that people do activate with like arts and music and dance. And it's super cool if you come here. Yeah, no, I'll be sure to hit that up along with my dicks driving in fries. There you go. All right. You make Seattle sound very cool.

It is. Dude, Seattle, I can't, I'll say this. I love Seattle. Like I had been once when I was really young and I went recently in October. And I just love like how rich its history is. And like the music, it's such a music. I feel

it's like, obviously people know about like the music that's come from Seattle, but when you're there, like seeing live music in Seattle, I was so blown away. I went to the sea monster and I saw like a really good band there. And like, and I was like, what's up with these? Like, what band is this? They're like, Oh, these are some locals who like to jam. And I'm like, this is like the best band I've heard, but they're just doing this for fun okay yep i'm here i'm here yeah we have wonderful musicians um tomo nakayama did the music for my podcast 10 000 things and he's just like seattle indie rock darling that's been like touted by the new york times and um we live in an incredible city of music and musicians and people who are so deeply

invested in the arts. Yeah. We got to hit that next tour, Jack. We got to go there. Ever since we started this show, you've been talking to the Pacific Northwest calls to you, Miles. I, as a just like urban concrete boy from North Hollywood, California, I fantasized about the forest as a kid.

I think, A, it started with Endor from Return of the forest as a kid like i think a it started with endor from return of the jedi yeah because i was like wait there's places where it's just trees like this and then i remember i went to the sequoias once my grandfather took me to sequoias and i blew my mind and then i've just i just have i don't know a connection with like very wooded places and you know cooler climates so yeah yeah love the love the northwest yeah all right let's take a quick break we'll come back we'll do underrated and talk some news we'll be right back i've been thinking about you i want you back in my life it's too late for that i have a proposal for you come up here and document my project.

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yes yeah yeah all right yes fair enough that's the kind of running jacks used to are you were you were you not running before and you got into it and now you're like wow are you just sort of like a running advocate overall i got into it during the pandemic i used to be a swimmer and then when the pandemic came in 2020 i just felt like i needed to take a break from it and so i just started running because i needed to be outdoors kind of just processing and moving around. And I run about three miles, four times a week. And for me as like a creative person, as a writer, I feel like it's when some of my best ideas come to me or like things that I'm trying to process, they somehow shake loose in a way in that time. And it's just like really beautiful self-care time that I love for myself. And there was a time when I really hated running when I was a kid. Like I feel like it took me, it used to take me when I was like a young person, like 15 minutes to like run a mile.

And I just hated it. Every part of running. And I grew up in Southern California where you don't really want to run in that heat anyways. But here, it's just a really beautiful experience of like being with the birds and the rabbits on the trail and just like paying attention right how do you how do you kind of because i'm sort of the same way like we had to run the mile in pe yep and i hated it i would drag i would just because when i did it i was like why are we doing this that was like my first thought and then when they said all right go i'm like and then i got older like paul rudd

and wet hot american summer just like jack limp arms i wouldn't even drive my arms i wouldn't even drive my they would be limp in front of me like why and in the same thing in the pandemic i also got into running mostly just as a way because i was like one of the only excusable reasons to be outside i was like well i'll take advantage of that but it took me a really long time for like to shift it from feeling like it was exercise or something to kind of I'm still not quite at that place where people get that like real stillness like you're talking about like you can process is that because you found your right pace to run at or you just engage with in a way where you're like I need this this is how like you're saying this is how I just shake things loose.

I think it's like, it's a practice of just kind of like synchronizing the breath and the body and the mind. And if I can just like stay off my phone and just like pay attention to what I'm doing, it comes, you know, fairly quickly. And I think that was probably aided in part because I had for a long time have had meditation practice. And so it has in a lot of ways supplemented that or on tape while I was running to just not doing anything while running and just focusing on breath and just mindfulness while running, which is a lot of time to spend. Like if you're running a lot, it's a lot of time spent. But I mean, yeah, if that can kind of supplement a meditation practice or, you know, be your meditation for the day, it's actually helpful. And you run, I found that I ran better. Yeah. I always had headphones in. So I think that's probably the reason why I was probably splitting my attention from like sort of entertaining myself because i'm like oh it could be so boring rather than kind of

like you're both saying let it be a little more meditative yeah yeah so i i find that to be like a really interesting gender difference like for me as a woman running alone i will never run with headphones right yeah i get the safety yeah yeah that makes sense 100 yeah when i run now i need I will never run with headphones. Right, have headphones. Right, no, I get that. Because safety. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. 100%. Yeah. When I run now, I need some distraction from the pain of running. But when I was, like, really good at running, that, like, I was able to just be like,

ah, this is, I'm like, I can just focus on my breath, and then I get, like, better at running. Anyways, all right. Let's get breath and then I get better at running. Anyways. All right. Let's get into a little bit of news. I'm glad we have a poet on because the star of this first story, I think, has a poetic name that I don't think his uncle came in and was like, we got to offset what you've got going on there. And instead, this is like the perfect, if you were creating a villain of his type for a film, you would name, and you consulted a poet, you would, the name that would come out the other end is Harlan Crowe.

Sounds like a Mark Twain character for sure. Yes, Texas billionaire Harlan Crowe. Yeah. Who is, you know, has been the great expectation style benefactor to fucking you know multiple supreme court judges but specifically clarence thomas for the past two decades nobody's nothing was being reported proublica has been reporting on it for a couple months now. And people are like the audacity of these people trying to stir up shit just because I'm giving him nice presents. I'm just a nice person who.

Oh, yeah. Who's interested in education. You don't buy Frederick Douglass's Bible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is the latest thing to come out is like, first it was like, oh, they go on trips together. Oh, he bought him like. Because they're friends, Miles.

He bought him an Abraham Lincoln bust. He bought Frederick Douglass's Bible at an auction and gave these things to him. And then the next thing was, wait, he bought Clarence Thomas's mother's house and then she was living in there rent free and he renovated the bathroom and some other stuff. Oh, he works in real estate. He didn't even know it was his. No, his answer was, I wanted to make a museum to honor a great American, Clarence Thomas, by having his boyhood home. Fact check. He did not grow up in that house

with his mother. So, miss us with that explanation. Now, the latest one to drop is, drumroll please, Harlan Crowe has been paying for Clarence Thomas' son's tuition. Right. Bonkers. Yeah.

His nephew, who he raises as his son, $6, thousand dollars a month is that right yeah they're saying it's been at least a year's worth going to hogwarts where the fuck yeah but people are like well harlan crowe has come out with come out strong and been like this is disgusting harlan crowe has long been passionate about the importance of quality education and giving back to those less fortunate, especially at-risk youth. Again, as though he didn't know it was Clarence Thomas's nephew. Grand nephew.

Yeah, is Clarence Thomas's child who he's raising an at-risk youth? Right, exactly. That is unlikely to me is that a knock against jenny thomas and clarence thomas like growing up in that home that's an at-risk youth it's disappointing that those with partisan political interests would try to turn helping at-risk youth with tuition assistance into something nefarious or political i have to assume clarence thomas is like yo he's like yo you're calling him at risk because he's my child at risk what are you talking about i mean it's very coded too at risk youth you

know what i mean and because this is clarence thomas's nephew had to like serve a prison sentence and as a result like they had to figure out what to do with his son and in his biographer you know he talks all the time about how clarence Thomas, his own father, wasn't there and how he was taken in by his grandparents. So this felt like a thing for him and Ginny to do. And, you know, they were telling his nephew, like, yeah, he's going to have a great life with us, et cetera, et cetera. But yet when it comes down to reporting it, suddenly he's like, that ain't my kid. I don't know him from Adam. Like, that's something.

him from adam like that's a something so i work in county government um in the seattle area and i've also worked in philanthropy and there are often really rigorous policies and practices around conflict of interest and yeah are people talking you know about like the violation of those policies well only partisan people who hate freedom that's and hate harley crowe's interest in at-risk youth yeah i mean he did obviously there's this lawyer that uh clarence thomas has worked with ever since like the anita hill stuff and has also been like you know at jenny's side when she was doing all that January 6th stuff. And I forget his name is Mark Pauletta. Yeah. Mark Pauletta. Yeah. So he has come out and basically done this thing. Just I'll just read you what he's sort of describing it. He's like Harlan Crowe's tuition payments made directly to these schools on behalf of Justice Thomas's great nephew did not constitute a reportable gift.

Justice Thomas was not required to disclose the tuition payments made directly to Randolph-Macon and the Georgia School on behalf of his great nephew because the definition, this is where they start getting into it, of a dependent child under the Ethics and Government Act does not include a, quote, great nephew. It is limited to a son, daughter, stepson or stepdaughter. Justice Thomas never asked Harlan Crowe to pay for quote great nephew it is limited to a son daughter stepson or stepdaughter justice thomas never asked harlan crowe to pay for his great nephew's tuition and neither harlan crowe nor his company had any business before the supreme court okay that is that is the defense to all of those and while that might be true i think this whole idea of like well his none of his companies had business before the court. All of these wealthy conservative donors, it's not about their specific business. They're trying to change society that will be a more inviting place for the kind of business that they want to do. They want to change the environment they're operating in. It has nothing to do with this. So that's sort of the line they're taking we're in a period of like unprecedented flagrant abuse of you know normal like workers rights in favor of billionaires and corporations and like this is what is happening at that time like it's it's not like so this is a thing that could sway him he he is like part of a Supreme Court that has been doing just disregarding like any sort of pushback on these sorts of people for decades. this kid's education from another friend but he suspiciously didn't do the same with crows because

i think he knew that once you like pull at that thread you start to see that crow is giving him so many gifts and and then it could be a bad look so yeah it really feels like this is the the one where they have like absolutely no leg to stand on no yeah i just it's really like most people of legal observers and analysts are like it's pretty clear that you would want to report this i like you'd have to be really disingenuous to try and bend your mind and redefine what a dependent is to try and avoid reporting this because it's like you know they're like this is merely a ward of their home like like they're trying to distance themselves from this person despite the fact that

they're they've been patting themselves on the back for raising this kid like publicly and in written interviews and things like that so again it's just a yeah terribly frustrating situation especially when you have like all the republicans who are like in line to be like we're not going to have any ethics standards. Let's not, we're not voting for that. So let's just keep this going because this is our most useful tool in combating any kind of progress that we've made in this country is to, you know, rig the Supreme court. Yeah. The only, yeah. The only possible excuse for not disclosing these gifts would be the argument that the payments were to his grand nephew,hew, not Thomas directly. But everybody points out like it's minor children rarely pay their own tuition. Although if the GOP has their way, as we've been talking about with what they're doing to child labor laws, then,

you know, this kid would be able to pay his own way with just working 40 hours a week on the fryer at McDonald's. He was consulting. He was consulting with Harlan Crowe's real estate business as a 10-year-old, okay? And that's where the money came from. Any other questions? Can we move on? We have serious business in front of the court. All right. Sedish. Should we talk about the sedition by the Proud Boys. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, it happened. I thought that for a second, I remember, I think one of the people in the jury was like, what happens if we don't all agree?

Right. Like was a note that came out of the jury and I was like, oh no, what's happening now? But no, turns out they've delivered a guilty verdict. Yeah. Four members of the Proud Boys, including Enrique Atario, were found guilty of conspiracy. The conspiracy counsel alone could carry a sentence of 50 years in prison. The case hinged on testimonies of two former Proud Boys who made deals with the feds and testified that the group were intent on staging an all out revolution to stop Biden, which this is why it's always tricky when you're like rooting for the side that the feds are on, because that's shady. That's shady as fuck. Whenever they the FBI is like basically being like, we're going to put you away for life unless you tell us these things that are on a list that we want you to tell us. But I don't know. Like, it also seems like these are bad people. So. Execute X, Y, and Z. But I think it's, you know, for all of like the nice, nice, nice of seeing some of these people who were had a huge role in January 6th, like, you know, have to answer for it. It's like we're still, you know, still waiting for that other shoe to drop. Because one of the things that Terrio's lawyer was saying was like, this is all because Donald Trump, though. Right.

So like, this isn't, it's not his fault. Donald, it's like donald trump gave them the motivation i don't even know why we're here man it's so unfair okay well maybe maybe that shoe will drop we'll see yeah probably not probably not yeah and people are pointing out that like it's wild to see these people who like it seems like hadn't even contemplated the idea of facing consequences for their behavior, like face consequences. Right. But in terms of the practicality of like taking down the leaders of these two groups, I think these groups got a lot of attention. But the majority of the people on the far right aren't part of specific groups. They're just like connecting through social media. But, you know, law enforcement mainly knows

how to go after formal organizations. So this is the strategy they're taking. But we'll have to wait and see what the consequences are of taking up the lead. What do sociologists say are the roots of extremism? It has nothing to do with inequality, right? Or like a really unstable economic situation. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Lack of those kinds of things. Okay. All right. So let's focus on these groups. It was Stop the Steal. The main thing is Stop the Steal. Right, right. Sorry, sorry. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about Greg Gutfeld. Yeah. Yeah. up Greg Gutfeld. Yeah. I've been thinking about you. I want you back in my life. It's too late for that. I have a proposal for you. Come up here and document my project. All you need to do is record everything like you always do. One session, 24 hours. BPM 110, 120.

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late night comedy shows since they're normally on tv every single night but one late night show that's still going strong despite the strike is fox news's gutfeld uh sorry i mean gutfeld yeah it has an exclamation point jack it's all caps and an exclamation point. So yes, please, please. Gutfeld! Still on the air because his writers are all non-union. Wow. Do you think that's because anyone in the union would be too talented to take a job on Gutfeld? Or that the business practices of Gutfeld is to only use non-union writers? Or that the business practices of Gutfeld is to only use non-union writers?

Probably a combination and like Fox News being like, I can't believe I can't imagine Fox News is a very friendly place for unions. But like Nick DiPaolo, do you remember that guy from like Tough Crowd? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's one of the writers. So, oh, yeah. And that's OK. Killing it. Wow.

How the mighty fall. Yeah. So just this gave us a chance to our writer, J.M., checked in with Gutfeld to see, you know, what we've been missing when we're tuning into Fallon and all those other late night shows. So, you know, if you if you tuned into Gutfeld, you were able to hear him talk about the seventh anniversary of seeing kim kardashian's butt in person he wait that's it that's an anniversary that's a celebration for greg that's something that he said and he was like her butt is so big it kind of felt like it was staring back which i feel like it was like a 1980s joke. He also made some Joe Biden fart jokes. So he's just killing it. A Brittany Griner weed joke called CBS News' Gail King a lesbian.

And he is just behind Colbert and ahead of Fallon and Kimmel in the ratings, which is crazy. Shinya, your face just dropped hearing that. yeah crazy shin you're your face just dropped hearing that yeah that's uh that's where that's where this this powerhouse of late night is and yeah what i know like he's always we've talked before he like got on this show he would always be on fox saying stuff like i hate radiohead like it's not even a band like radio, Radiohead's not music. And we're like, what? Yeah. So his background is also, by the way, if you tune in, it's interesting. I don't know.

Maybe they don't have union people who warm up the crowd for him because his audience doesn't even seem to like him. There's jokes where one person laughs. I'll play this clip for you because he's talking about the dante right protests in minnesota and talking about some serious shit going on in the country and then like he has like a punch line and i think that's what's so weird is because he pivots from i'll just let you hear kind of like the slight setup and punch line if you want to call it Protests and looters nail a bunch of stores and the destruction spreads. It's now part of the process. Video followed by outrage, followed by coverage of outrage.

It's as predictable as CNN's programming because it is. It's a scene that's gone from shocking to expected to gleefully anticipated by the media. As familiar as a rerun of friends, except it's the one where Rachel sets central perk ablaze the explanation for I mean, he paused for laughter at one point and there was nothing.

So he just pressed on. And then on that one, they were like, okay, okay, here I'm ready for this one. Okay. anybody else? Can we add that in post?

No. All right. Moving on. Where was I? Where was I? Yeah, it's it's it's not the height of of comedy like we thought. Yeah. Right wingers are claiming that Gutfeld is Gutfeld is evidence that the right is starting

to get better at comedy and it's making lefties nervous shindy i'm curious like as as someone who's like a creative person a writer and everything like that how do you look at the chasm between like sort of these like conservative hateful people and what how when they try and engage with creativity or art and like like why like there's this like dynamic we're like we gotta prove that we can do funny too, or we can do art or whatever. What, how do you see what's holding them back? Or what do you see is the difference in it? Because I feel like to us, we're like, it's, there's like just this mindset.

I feel like that's just maybe so exclusionary or something that they're unable to think past like these like sort of backwards tropes in our, our culture and like these stereotypes as humor or whatever. But I'm curious to hear from your perspective, like the the dearth of creativity and the right wing. Well, I think it's like a performative ego show that is completely based on sensationalism. And yeah, I I don't it's it's not like a humor that is like humanizing. I don't think there is anything humorous about it. I think it's kind of like the, it is very juvenile kind of approach that is really about getting attention more than anything.

So it isn't about comedy or craft or writing or using a specific genre to make a certain point. There is no critique. There is no sophistication about it. It is just a misuse of language. Oh, I like that. I love that misuse of language and also his confusion of like that'll get their attention with comedy is really like that perfectly sums up his background too because his background is as the editor of early 2000s cringy bro publications like stuff and maxim which kind of explains everything uh when he was at

stuff he once hired little people actors to disrupt a meeting of magazine editors with potato chip bags and cell phones and clearly thought it was like the funniest goddamn thing in the world. Wow. It's funny because they're little and they have potato chip bags. But again, it's just like making noise to annoy people instead of comedy. What are you saying here with this? people instead of comedy what are you saying here with this one of his other things was recording audio of women in bathroom stalls and then printing it without their consent he created a monthly photo spread called the women of 39th and 6th purely so he could meet women who lived in his apartment building which yeah that's like stalker that's yeah yeah but he's just running around pulling people's

hair on the playground it seems like is like his whole approach that that's the level of sophistication of his comedy one of his uh contributions when he moved over left stuff went to maxim he just like started to personally harass other magazine editors he like published the phone number of gq editor dylan jones and encouraged readers to abuse him and yeah just being annoying is like his version of comedy it seems like right being the most unpleasant obnoxious person but i think like that is a thing that really appeals to the right. It's like, oh man, he's owning the libs by recording them when they're in the bathroom

and printing transcriptions. I think at the end of the day, there's no such thing as humor. There's no such thing as a philosophical victory or rhetorical victory. Because the only thing is just to see the reaction of their counterpart. That's really all it is. The shock.

Yeah, it's all couched and like, this is a comedy show. But really, you're making a show that you hope that from their perspective, a lib would see it and it would crush their spirit. Okay? Rather than being like, I'm informing people about what's happening in a funny way. They're trying to be like, and guess what? This is liberal tears manifested into a nightly show. Okay. And I guess that's not a very good guiding principle.

I mean, I think there's a strong element of toxic masculinity at play, too, to be honest, that dominates. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. honest that dominates oh yeah yeah oh yeah they're like there's all so the two things are hey look at me pulling hair and then just like thorough and consistent misogyny just from his trying to recording like bugging women's bathrooms and like recording and reprinting transcriptions what they say against like without their consent to creating a monthly photo spread of like women in his apartment building like that is just so

predatory too you know yeah he's that is all coming the waters yeah he's chumming the waters with the promise of like being in this magazine as a way to like introduce himself and then like dangle that in front of someone yeah and then cut to the second most highly rated late night talk show uh in the country right now yeah so all right well that's that show's still on folks so you know you can yeah misuse of words every night on fox that's right misuse of words. Excellent. All caps, exclamation point.

Well, Xingyi, it's been such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you, follow you, all that good stuff? Yeah, so my podcast, 10,000 Things, is available on all the major podcast apps. You can listen on NPR or at qw.org slash 10,000 things spelled out. And I'm on Instagram. It's just my name, Ed Shin-Yi Pai on Facebook as well. And I have a website and yeah, people can find my books through small press distribution or Amazon, but I don't like Amazon. I prefer that people buy through small presses and support small businesses. And yeah, I'm in the world. Yeah. And you have a Kickstarter, right? I have a Kickstarter right now that I'm running for a book that I'm publishing this fall of Haiku Comics with Blue Cactus Press, which is a woman-led BIPOC press in Tacoma. And it's a

collection of Haiku poems that are illustrated by a Latinx illustrator in Oregon. And they're poems about just my experiences of like the boredom and kind of just loss of identity during pandemic and the rise of anti-Asian hate crime and just the weirdness of the last three years while also mothering a young child. And yeah, it's an incredible collection of sequential art that is going to come out this fall. And we're hoping to raise some production funds to support the printing of it. Nice. So where can people go and contribute to that?

It's on Kickstarter. And the campaign is through Blue Cactus Press for the book Less Desolate. And I'll share the URL with you later so that you can put it in the show notes. Show notes. Great. share the URL with you later so that you can put it in the show notes. Show notes. Great. And is there a tweet or work of media that you've been enjoying? Last night I saw the comedian Jenny Yang

post some photos of herself at her Writers Guild strike and she had this fabulous sign that said, give up just one yacht. That's been a lot. It's asking a lot. It's asking a lot. Clarence Thomas loves the yachts. What are we going to do if we give up the yacht

that Clarence Thomas likes? Then it makes it harder for us to hang with him. Amazing. Miles, where can people find you? Follow you? What is the work of media you've been enjoying? Find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray if i'm doing anything there chances are i kind of might be and also find

jack and i on our basketball podcast miles and jack got mad and if you like a trash reality show which is where i go to find refuge from this chaotic world uh check me out and sophie alexandra talking about 90 day fiance on 4 On 420 Day Fiance. A tweet I like. Actually goes hand in hand. Love Jenny. Shout out Jenny. She's the homegirl.

This is actually. From at Lisa Cullen. Lisa Takeuchi Cullen. That tweeted. A producer told me. He heard that. All the yacht rentals. Were booked for the month of June.

By studio execs. Who'd long expected. A writer's strike. And it would be. It would be. Ha ha funny. If a resourceful reporter. reporter hunted this lead down. Wow.

Yeah, that would, like, when I hear that, I'm like, oh, that sounds like the kind of Hollywood cynicism I'm used to. Like, well, there's going to be the strike anyway, so, like, where are we going to go? Tantropay? Built-in vacation for the billionaires. All right.

Tweet I've been enjoying pessimist prime respawn edition tweeted my editor dislikes my use of contractions but it's what it's yeah yeah we we love saying that it's it's what you say that all the time yeah it's what it's yeah you can find me on twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at The Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan page and a website, DailyZeitgeist.com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes. Footnotes.

Where we link off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think people might enjoy? Yes, this is a group called The Holy Drug Couple, and they're these artists from Santiago, Chile. And their music, man, their music sounds, it's like spooky, but cool. I've described other artists who are like, if the world ended and aliens found an old mixtape and tried to get the tape working, it would sound like this.

This is like this is just I don't this is just really their music is really, really cool. This track is called Lunes Uno de Abril. And I think it's from like it's from an album of like demos from another album they had. So you're getting like so they're even like more lo-fi than what the album cuts are. But they're just like, you know, like any anytime you you hear demos they're really interesting to me just as a musician because you kind of hear these like musical like it's like a musical note that they're just like put jotting down to come back to and this already has so much like texture and flavor to it it's really dope so this is lunes lunes uno de abril by the holy drug couple so check that out all right

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