The Daily Zeitgeist - Haunted Boner, Old Man Down? 2.7.20

Episode Date: February 7, 2020

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Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hello, the internet, and welcome to Season 119, Episode 5 of Dirt Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness and say, officially, off off the top fuck the coke brothers and fuck fox news it's friday february 7th 2020 my name is jack o'brien aka oh oh o'brien oh oh o'brien oh oh o'brien the zeitgeist i thought it was going to be this end. O'Brien. O'Brien. That is courtesy of Simone Henry Utech.

And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! It's all Zeit. It's all Zeit. All Zeit. He drinks cold brew every day. Zyke, he drinks cold brew every day. And I think that was inspired by the last, what was that, the midday Zyke Geist we did. Thank you to Johnny Davis for that. You too.

Inspired, a.k.a. you too. I would love to do Lemon. Yeah. Lemon. Lemon. I'm sure the Zyke gang will make it happen. Miles. Miles. Yeah.

We're going on the road with our time machine and our super producer, Anna Hosnier. And some special guests. We're going to be in Brooklyn at the Bell House on February 12th with Daniel O'Brien. Washington, D.C., February 13th at the Miracle Theater with Natalie McGill. Minneapolis, February 25th at the Parkway Theater with POS. Oh, boy. Chicago, February 27th at Sleeping Village with Dan Van Kirk And we are going to be in Toronto The grand finale February 28th at the Great Hall

Secret special guests Maybe? I don't know Or not Or not We're panic booking Nah man Don't reveal your secrets I guess if Drake bails If he bails I'm gonna be pissed I don't know. Or not. Or not. We're panic booking. Yeah. Nah, man. Don't reveal your secrets. I guess if Drake bails.

If he bails, I'm going to be pissed. Right. Well, I mean, Frank Ocean already bailed. Then we got Drake. And yeah. And if not, unfortunately, we may have to have Kanye. Right. So we'll see.

God, what a nightmare. And it's going to be church. Sorry. For tickets, go to dailypsychos.com. Go to the live appearances tab. Buy them. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious and talented co-host of the podcast, The Greatest. He is Mr. CJ Toledano.

How's it going, everybody? What's up, man? Thank you for having me. I was made aware that I'm part of the family now. You are. You are, because you like Lola Bunny. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That's right. Megan was in here talking that talk. You know, I love Lola Bunny. She said, you like Lola Bunny. I'm like, okay, we're thinking the same. Yeah, it's weird that my type was that, but you know. I'm Asian. I like anime.

There you go. What's good, man? How you been? Not much. It's been a wild few weeks, and every day has its own story. Yeah. I like anime. There you go. What's good, man? How have you been? It's been a wild few weeks, and every day has its own story. I don't know what that means, but just wrapped up. And yeah, NBA trade deadline stuff is happening today.

So I got to put that aside in my head for other more important stuff. It seems like that's how my life usually goes. But today is one of those days. Yeah. stuff. It seems like that's how my life usually goes, but today is one of those days. Yeah. Yesterday we got some we got the D'Angelo Russell trade to D'Angelo

for Andrew Wiggins. Yeah, yeah. Which, I don't even know who got the best of that. Minnesota did. The Warriors are getting back everyone in the next few months. D'Angelo's amazing. I don't think –

He just wasn't a fit. Yeah. It's like they were going to have him for this first half of the season to sort of, you know, keep him in it, but they just lost it early. Yeah. So there's no use. Don't waste his talent. They needed a good point guard in Minnesota. Yeah.

And him and Carl Anthony Towns are homies. Yeah. So that'll be interesting. I'm interested to see how that works out. You're rocking your Lakers windbreaker. You're rocking your Osmosis Jones hat. It's more iconic. Yeah.

Well, I like to say I dress like an undercover high school student. Who didn't get the memo? They're like, yeah, that shit came out in 2001. Like my wardrobe has stayed the same, but yeah, it's my way of connecting to the younger audience.

See, I thought it was, but then they're like, what's osmosis Jones? Yeah. Yeah. Like, Oh,

okay. Boomer. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Boomer. It's actually hip with like a high school sophomores right now. It's one of the lesser known Fairleigh Brothers projects.

Awesome. Well, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we are going to talk about what's happening on today's show. Coach Dave has some things to say about that Super Bowl halftime show that has haunted the memories of many a man, I think. I think it was impactful. Yeah, but his life is – He speaks for us all. Miles, I'm going to go out and say he speaks for us all. He was like, the NFL put me at risk.

So I'm going to go out and say he was like the NFL put me at risk. Yeah. I mean, that is like the ultimate compliment to a show that was trying to be provocative that they're like, that should be illegal. I'm suing y'all. J-Lo and Shakira should be very proud of what they have done to the middle-aged man consciousness. We're going to talk about how Biden's not freaking out. You're freaking out, man. Yeah, man.

The DNC is calling for a re-canvassing. They might also be freaking out, man. We're going to talk about how the mainstream media covered Trump's acquittal in yesterday's newspapers. He, yeah, he got the victory he was looking for. He held that shit up like a WWE belt. Right. Like he was like acquitted, like at this prayer breakfast.

In like five, like, I don't know what point font, like 25 point font on the cover of all the newspapers. Like it was in doubt. Like, I don't know. newspapers like it was in doubt like i don't know it was he he got his own uh dewey defeats truman picture with him holding up the the cover of the usa today and it's a real bummer uh we're going to talk about the guy responsible for that pepsi my favorite marketing campaign of all time the pepsi logo redesign, because he also had something to do with Tropicana's carton redesign, which is something I remember from grocery store shelves. And it was a disaster.

Netflix's Oscar campaign. The Oscars are coming up this weekend. We'll talk about all that more. But first, CJ, we like to ask our guest, what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? Well, literally the last thing, and I hate to talk about basketball again, but I just watched that, it just premiered last night, that All That Smoke show, do you know that? Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes host a show. It's literally the one, I think, interview show, maybe this other podcast, Knuckleheads, but they sat KD down. And

I think KD is a fascinating guy. And I think he's going against a lot of what the athlete is supposed to be these days. And I think Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes got a lot out of him last night. And yeah, that was the last thing I searched for and watched last night. Oh, it's a TV show? Yeah, well, it was originally a podcast where they would smoke, which they thought was the whole premise. Like most podcasts? Yeah.

Then they have an athlete guest, usually one of their old NBA buddies, and now Showtime has picked it up and they don't really show them smoking. I think those guys realize it's not what we were tuning in for. It's more of a candid conversation. So, yeah. That's interesting. What are they smoking? You know, marijuana.

Okay. Oh, wow. Conversation starters. That's what's in those water pipes? Yeah. I thought those cigars were shaped a little funny. Yeah. Does it still give you the impression that they might be high?

No. I mean, I think more so I've found out that every NBA player I've ever liked in the last 20 years has been high at some point when I was watching them. Right. Yeah. It's like everyone's just laid back. That's a thing for sure. Yeah. What are you going to do?

I mean, it's how we relax. Yeah. Okay. What is something you think is overrated so streaming cable services now i don't want to step on any sponsors if any sponsors are all right we'll let you know we'll let you know okay but just like i mean it's like a been a complaint of the last you know few years everyone everyone sling YouTube TV, any of those. No, I'm just joking. No, no, no, no. Direct TV now.

What is that? Is that one? We love them. iHeartRadio TV. No, that's actually cool. We agree. But yeah, I've changed. I've subscribed and unsubscribed so many goddamn times. My wife is mad at me cause I said I wanted to just get regular cable and it's caused rifts in our home life. Um, and I just don't know. Like, I guess the, um, the overrated is the cutting the cord, um, trend. It's, it's just bad cause there's no like you end up back where you started yes yes

it's funny i've so look i will talk that shit about direct tv now which is now at&t tv now what a fucking ripoff oh come on man i love at&t they're punching me in the fucking throat constantly every i feel like every month they're like oh hey man we're gonna squeeze you for another five we're gonna squeeze you for another 10. We're going to squeeze you for another ten. Wait, really? I don't know where to go. Their streaming service ups the price? Oh, yeah. Yo, I got in on DirecTV now when they were promoting it like two years ago.

And they're like, please, please come through. It's $30 a month. And you'll get like over 100 channels. Tell me why I'm at $60 a month now. Because I'm a fool. What happens is, you know those privacy agreement emails that you get that you don't open? Yeah. They hide it in the 18th line.

Like, we're also going to charge you an extra $10 because we see you're enjoying it so much. That's interesting because we have such low expectations from a direct TV. We know they will just change what you're paying on a month-to-month basis. But streaming, if Netflix tried that shit, that would be like front page news everybody would be freaking the fuck out but because they're like associated with direct tv as a streaming platform we're just like yeah that's what direct tv i don't know man everybody's told me you know look if y'all got a plex login hit me up bro let me get in on your plex server let me figure out like what i guess i could use YouTube TV.

People have recommended a lot of things. Right. And then I got Spectrum. They're calling me up. They're like, hey, man, you want to try out our thing? I'm like, no, bro, because I can't watch that anywhere. I have to be on my home Wi-Fi network. Get the fuck out of here.

Right. I need to watch 90 Day Fiancé in a bathroom if I have to. Plex, time to have... And then all the cable channels have their own app on the Apple TV. I don't know. I don't still know what to do. It becomes confusing. You know what would be dope is if each,

like you could just put in a number on your TV and it would take you to a streaming provider that was already playing the shit that that streaming provider provides. Whoa. That would be dope. All right. Well, so don't do that and then they will take something away. Go to this channel where I want there to be music television.

Stealing is the best. Stealing is the new wave. Yeah. Stealing has always just stayed strong, consistent. You want something, and you go and steal it. You have it. Yeah. Boom.

You can't beat that system. It's the American way. Yeah. And don't tell me otherwise with everything I've seen. Just have some cable wires coming in through your window. Oh, hell yeah. Like in the wire. Exactly.

I think also the two, because Netflix is investing so much money to figure out how to do away with us striminals. Yeah. People squatting on sharing the fucking login information like it's the last couple hits of a blunt. Just take a look. Don't let them know. But when they figure that out, they know that's going to triple their business because they're

going to be like, ha ha, we know who you are now. And this is not Karen's Netflix account. Is there going to be a point where Netflix realizes, because that seems like a remarkably responsible thing for Netflix to be doing, For them to actually be investing in trying to make their product more... Have more market share. We'll talk about it later, but the way

they spend money normally is pretty... That cover art business? That's what Netflix is. What is something you think is underrated? This is very food. It's all food. I had Funyuns, Air fryers, and cauliflower pizza. Couldn't decide between any of those. But those are the foods right now that I'm shouting to the heavens about.

Everyone knows Funyuns. That's accepted. But it has, again, it has that stoner. It's just too associated with stoner culture. And man, I enjoy that as a sober 33-year-old man. Breakfast. Yeah. Who just needs a midday snack. That's 33 year old man. Breakfast. Yeah. Yeah. He just needs a mid midday snack.

Oh, that's my pre-church meal. Yeah. Right. Body of Christ. Yeah. Oh, I brought my own. Your honor. That's great. Thank you so much. Father, I brought my own Eucharist today.

And let me just, let me take a swig off this steel reserve 211. Yeah. You just bring it up there as the blessings happen. I would love if the priest did, he had his own thing. He's like, and this one's for me. A little special treat for daddy.

Oh, the priest does do that at Catholic masses. He just like cleans out the goblets sometimes. It's like backwash and liquor. Exactly. My favorite part when I,

that was some dirty shit. Catholic masses, I used to have to go to, uh, cause I went to Catholic high school, uh, the end where they have to polish off the communion wine. And then,

you know, they have that little, the handkerchief that we used to clean the cup. Yeah. The shit. Sometimes you would see the priest, the shit was running down their mouth. Right.

Cause they were like, they were, you know, they're trying to down that shit too quickly. And they're like, Oh, let me dab my face a little bit and the cup. I'm like, yeah.

That is gross. It is. To think about it now, that is gross. Is there a new, more sanitized, sanitary way for 300 people to drink from the same cup? Yeah, everybody brings their own straw. Yeah. Yeah. No, but is it still?

I have not been to a mass. I don't know if that is a uh personal common right i don't know if that's like a personal style like some priests like do kill it right other priests i think they all do it yeah right what you do throw out the blood right yeah you can't throw out the sacrament man but then after that it's like if we even got rid of that then we're all shaking each other's hands yeah right at the end yeah yeah exactly So like, yeah, don't go to church. Catholics let us know. Are they doing it every time?

Does everybody go up to drink every time? I think it's an option. No, you don't have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they offer that at every Mass. The bread is mandatory. The Eucharist. Yes.

Right, right. It's all about that body. Yeah. It's all about body for me. Body, not blood. Right. And I wonder what kind of body the blood has. Right.

We're sipping it like a wine connoisseur. Yeah. It's got tannins. Yeah. It's got a- It's the carb. Right. And I wonder what kind of body the blood has. Right. If I were sipping it like a wine connoisseur. Yeah. It's got tannins. Yeah. It's got a, it's the carb. Yeah. I wonder if anybody's ever been like,

what kind of red is this? Is this somewhere low? You're like, honestly, what kind of, I think Christ would have wanted me to drink this. You go, you go to the priest with some notes.

I'm like, yo, it seems like you guys are going with a Pinot Noir. And I mean, that's fine. That sounds like some shit that happens in the Apple Valley. Yeah, exactly. All right. And air fryer is what?

I don't know. Is that a new shoe? It's just, yeah. I mean, honestly, if not soon. It's just a deep fryer, but it's all air. And I don't get the technology, but it's for for five-year-olds who will burn down the kitchen. We got it for our wedding, and I've just been putting shit in there. What have you been frying up?

Ooh, mozzarella. Or what's been the thing that you've been like, hold the fuck up? Why haven't I been doing this my whole life? See, I have issues with melting cheese in ovens and fryers because it- Just gets everywhere. Yeah, it gets everywhere, and it catches on fire. Yeah. And this thing is like, it's almost presented the challenge, how will you catch this thing

on fire? You know what I mean? Oh, not with air. And it's fast and it's good and they say it's a little bit healthy. I'm just like- Well, because you're not submerging it in hot oil, right? No, it's just hot air. Wait, I probably could look it up.

Wait, so you put a food in the air fryer. Yes. I probably could look it up. Wait. So you put a food in the air fryer. Yes. You don't put any oil in? Nothing. You just have to clean it every like 10, 15 cooks. That's wild. It's really crazy in the technology.

There is a tiny amount of oil. Okay. Is there? That it brings itself? They say it's essentially an amped up countertop convection oven. Okay. Okay. And so it facilitates faster cooking because it's smaller.

And there's a heating mechanism in a fan. And then the hot... I don't think you have to add it. I guess maybe... Yeah, there's no oil to be added. It's just from whatever's in there. Got it. Either way.

Oh, from the food itself? So it's like flash? I guess in this article, it only requires a tiny amount of oil. But I don't know if it requires it or maybe you just have like an oil tank you got to fill up for yours. What's something you've made in the air fryer that's good? I make sweet potato home fries, which has been a great substitute for just regular fries, which is another issue for me. I've been making, again, mozzarella sticks. We had a Super Bowl party, so I was cooking for like 45 people pizza rolls

and just handing them out. Wow. I was making it rain pizza rolls, and I was the king of the party. Are you Filipino? Uh-huh. Have you made lumpia in there? No, but that would kill it in there. It would?

I was thinking, because I love the grease aspect of lumpia. What's lumpia? It's kind of like an egg roll, like a little shank on an egg roll. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But delicious. Yeah, delicious. It's really good. And finally, what is a myth?

What's something people think is true you know to be true? This might be a little too business insidery, but talk show submission packets. Talk show submission packets. Wow. Just writing packets, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. No one's reading those. Right.

No one's going through a pile and going, hmm, this writer has a good perspective. It's like, no, I stumbled upon this person on Twitter or, oh, this person's a friend of mine who went to college or they have, you know, went to. Or the person I wanted to hire couldn't do it. And they said, no, the homie's probably really good, too. Yeah. At one meeting. So explain to people who aren't really savvy about how getting in a room works, if to be a writer, how the packet process works. First of all, generally, the business is a myth.

But yeah, so essentially, like people were like, oh, they're reading packets. And the thing is like, no, they have five people on their head that they know they want to hire. But they put out these packet submissions where they go, you know, write 10 monologue jokes, write like three desk pieces, write a sketch. And we're going to pick the best one and hire that person. It's just not ever how it's gone. Meanwhile, all the white executive producers are like, OK, we need a woman of color. Yes. A gay person.

Yes. And maybe a black guy. Like that's usually. Who knows those people? And that's what they do. And then they go to everybody in the room and be like, you anybody good for this we don't want to hire another white guy yeah right so i just feel like the application process is a little janky and has been janky and continues to be well it's just i think yeah because it's not a meritocracy at the end of the day it's purely

based on your personal connections and who you know or and sometimes people are able to find success completely on their own but like at a certain point you really do see like damn man some people just have an advantage because they just their paths crossed with so many people yeah um and you are a writer but yeah i guess i don't know i was i was in for a few years i was i was doing those packets I wrote for Fallon and then I stumbled upon these basketball jobs and sports and creative and yeah. And then just like that's more

fun and more consistent. How'd you get the Fallon job? You guys went to school together? No, I went. This is a crazy story. I went. They were in town. The Fallon production team was in town for a Paley Center event and Michael Shoemaker, the old SNL producer and showrunner of Late Night with Fallon at that time, was there. And I just went up and I was like, hey, I have a packet.

And I'm going to watch you read it. He's like, I'm not going to read that. We're going to dinner. And then I was like, okay, well, can I just send an email to somebody? He's like, no, you can't do that. And then I Facebook messaged him. This is 2011. This is not working anymore.

I Facebook messaged him, and he responded back at like 1 a.m., kind of drunk, I feel like, because it was like a lot of grammatical errors and typos. And he was like, you know, whenever we come here and talk about the show, I tear up even though it's only been on for two years. And he goes, here's my assistant's email address. Get a waiver to send in, like, submission stuff. Right.

So you need a waiver so that they can't be – so you can't, like, sue them for – Stealing anything. Stealing a joke or whatever. And then I sent something in, and then I got an interview three weeks later, and I got the job. There you go. But, yeah, so, I mean, it's like I guess I had a packet, but I had to like kidnap a person to read it.

Right. Yeah, yeah. And catch them at the right time where they're vulnerable and drunk enough. You know what kidnapment is? Why was he crying? Reached out my own sister. Yeah, he was just like, I don't know. So he cheers up because of like the-

They were showing like the sizzles in front of like these audiences at the Paley Center. What the fuck? You know, it was 1 a.m. We've all been there. You know, we had drunk texts or emails and drunk replies. Yeah. Happy about a show, which is very admirable. Yeah.

All right. Shout out to him. I hear stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah. I turn the lights off. I listen to Where Are You Now by Justin Bieber and Skrillex and Diplo, and I start tearing up.

It's a great one. All right. All right. Let's talk about some things that we've been crying about lately, specifically the Super Bowl halftime show. Yeah. Coach Dave. Coach Dave. Miles, you have to explain who this dude is.

Coach Dave Dobden-Meyer. I found out about him through the homie Jared Holt. Shout out Right Wing Watch. Go to rightwingwatch.org because I'm always looking to see who they're looking after like they look at very problematic dark personalities on the right wing media spectrum and just for me like we're telling you what's going on right now this guy doctor or coach dave he is like his whole thing his show is like him and with a green screen where it has like a stadium behind him he wears a baseball hat with a fucking cross on it yeah and he's always saying shit about like i'm telling you this is one of the the like lower thirds on one of his videos it says male butt sex homosexuality is not

convenient i don't know what the fuck that means yeah that's his okay and he'll say shit like yo christians are choosing to be ignorant you know because vaccines could be making people gay he just has like the worst takes. He's into some just weird far right conspiracy shit. But always about the he's the religious right, though. You know what I mean? Saying that maybe we do need to restigmatize homosexuality. That's his vibe.

And because vaccines are making people. There's that, too. Obviously, there's a public health concern. So Coach Dave now he is he is up in arms because those, I'm sure at this point, most listeners, most of us are familiar with the Super Bowl halftime show with Shakira J-Lo. You are about to feel the power of Shakira and J-Lo in this man's voice. Yeah, you can see the effect that it had on this conservative man who just wants to preserve traditional values.

This is his first. This is the beginning. Like there's a few evolutions to his video. About the Super Bowl halftime show. This is his first part. He starts the video just gobsmacked. About the whole thing. Were there any warnings before that Super Bowl halftime show?

Would that halftime show. Would that have been rated pg were there any warnings that your 12 year old young son whose hormones are just getting ready just starting to operate any warning that he what he's going to see might cause him to get sexually excited yeah it said tv 14 by the way yeah it's gonna be 12 not for him yeah but if you're 14 like it literally said tv 14 i noticed that i was like oh maybe this is gonna be spicy oh and the halftime show on the halftime show right before it started you got the pepsi like halftime show and then it just like and then

you spirited your children out of the room tv 14 a black screen that said TV 14. No, I think three to one-year-olds are too oblivious to what was going on to get too excited about that. Yeah, they'll be like, should that elderly woman really be on that poll? What kind of take was that on a three-year-old? You can't swear, but you can show stuff like this. His whole thing was basically like, this was wrong, okay? Because then it started going to a biblical analysis of what the flesh the flesh show on display was and he's like you know what the nfl is putting me at risk with these kinds of things that are making me feel all kinds of ways and he says maybe i should sue the nfl and then he this is where it starts gaining some momentum could i go into a

courtroom and say viewing what you put on that screen put me in danger of hellfire? Could the court say, Roger, could the court say, that doesn't apply here? That doesn't apply here? Because pornography, the right to porn overrides your right to watch

it? Yeah, but you didn't tell me I was going to watch it. You just brought it into my living room. You didn't tell me. You didn't tell me there were going to be crop shots so we should know better you should know better because it's j-lo and whoever that was you should know she's an expert in crop shots you already know that no i i protect my eyes i didn't know that about it and i'm sitting there and i'm watching it this conversation that he's having with himself. Yeah, I'm wondering what the context is. Is it just an aroma?

Well, I didn't know. You should have known! It's J-Lo, the queen of crotch shots. Avert your eyes. He called Shakira whoever that was. You know, he probably was getting off to her of anyone. I mean, the whole idea, though, too, of like, really what he's saying is, I was so

sexually aroused by that, and I've been furious. I love that part. I actually kind of love that he is admitting that he got aroused, and he's not like, it's wrong, it's wrong, it's wrong. It's just like, I got a boner, man, and I gotta blame somebody. And I'm looking at Hellfire now.

Yeah, I'm going to hell for having watched that. God, dog it. That's the kind of way they swear. I mean, yeah. Good luck to him with that lawsuit. Is he an actual coach? I think he must have coached something. But his whole vibe is just basically to be like,

hey, do you have young men who are impressionable and need a toxic male to look up to or get yelled at by? He coaches men away from Hellfire. Exactly. And look, when you do that and then you got these Hellfire pop-ups. Yeah. I mean, look, the whole world's going sideways. My equivalent of that is I Googled Shakira married.

That was what I did. Wow. She married to a football player. Gerard Piquet. Ten years younger than her. Shout out what I did. Wow. She's married to a football player. Gerard Piquet. Ten years younger than her. Shout out to a queen. Wow. Making it happen. And then the next search, is Jack O'Brien married?

That's right. I immediately deleted it. I was like, no. Sarah's going to see that. Scrub the computer. Scrub it! Through my phone in the microwave. And she's searching, is Shakira married? All right. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And all right. So what is the latest that's happening in the Iowa caucuses? Because there were some surprises, some late, late surprises after the Democrats reported like 72% that Pete had a pretty comfortable lead on the delegates. He was up like, you know. Like two percentage points. Two percentage points. It seemed like that's how it was going to end.

Pete wins the delegates. Bernie wins the popular votes. But then in a late surge, because Bernie had done something with remote locations or remote caucuses, something like that. Satellite caucuses. Satellite caucuses. Much cooler word for it. He had run up the score a little bit on the late count is basically what it's looking like. So now they're basically in a virtual tie, a couple of percentage points between Bernie.

Yeah. So now they're basically in a virtual tie, a couple of percentage points. And there was, yeah, it's really odd, the whole thing. Yeah. From it being quite a simple process to work out mathematically, to there being all kinds of things like they had to correct some of the results that they put out. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was like they said, there will be a minor correction to the last batch of results,

and we will be pushing an update momentarily. That was after they got to the 85% point. They had some retweaking to do. What direction did the corrections go? It depends on whose analysis you look at. You have people from every party or every campaign giving their take on what's happening. Right. every party or every campaign saying they're giving their take on what's happening.

Right. But it just seems like there were issues like with Deval Patrick earning the support of 191 people in the first alignment and then 218 in the final. But those numbers belong to Bernie Sanders. So they're still, they're like trying to figure a bunch of, we're steering things away from Bernie Sanders. Well, and what's funny too is like, even, you know, I think a lot of... The Democrats were steering things away from Bernie Sanders.

What's funny, too, is I think a lot of people... Everyone's pissed. Probably except for Pete Buttigieg. Because if you look at all the polling going into all these other primaries, he's not leading the pack. But I think for other people like Elizabeth Warren, Amy Klobuchar, those people, they're also... Elizabeth Warren's campaign is also like, what the fuck is going on?

Like you're, you're fucking me out of my chance to like have my proper campaign messaging as well. It is great because Pete knew he like didn't stand a chance and everything has been fucked up and he's like, Oh yeah, this is awesome. Yeah. Like he's not, yeah. It's like, it's so clearly incorrect. All of this.

Yeah. And it gives them like, look, I get the whole point. I don't actually begrudge him for taking the vagueness to spin that into a moral victory, because, look, that's a campaign at the end of the day. Like, you're going to do what you got to do. But, I mean, he did win on the delegate, or it's looking like he still might win on the delegates,

which is what people have traditionally paid attention to. Sure. It's just like... Or they're going to end up with the same amount of delegates, like a virtual tie. I think, again, the other things that I think even Hillary supporters will also agree on is that there's also the popular vote argument. Because I think the thing that the Sanders campaign is to say, yeah, however the delegates

worked out, look at the popular votes. Right. Because we're actually, we were ahead in those. But I think the real, again, the true victim, besides all the people who worked very hard to caucus and all those people working on those campaigns, you know, is really Joe Biden. OK, because he he got a fucking wake up call from him going out there saying like in New Hampshire, like, look, what happened in Iowa was a real gut punch. Yeah. You know, and I'm going to keep getting back up. Yeah. And I'm like, bro,

the last thing after seeing somebody who's damn near 80 getting gut punched, I do not want to see them coming back for more. Yeah. And also he really went out there like he was an underdog from the start. Right. And like 24 hours before he was the presumptive favorite. Right. Like everyone, he, like 538 had him as like, I think it was like one,

like two and five chance of winning. So basically like a 40%, which was by far the highest. And then now he has dropped to one in five chance of winning and Sanders is up at one in two. So it's not a thing where he's just like, you know, underdog little guy. It's a thing where he was the behemoth. He was the empire and he squandered that. Well, his game plan was just to show up. Right. He was just like, look, I say I'm running. They're all going to come because they think I'm Obama. And that's what that's my messaging,

basically. Yeah. And then now he's kind of freaking out because he's he's sharpening his sort of pointed attacks at other people like when he goes at uh bernie he's like you know and he's labeled himself a democratic socialist and you don't think trump's just gonna keep hammering that in i mean that's like saying so he's for his argument for his own electability saying if it's if it's b, then they're going to weaponize this idea of like socialism, communism. And then he goes, a mayor, Pete, you know, it's unbelievable. This guy has no experience outside of being a mayor for a town of one hundred thousand people. I mean, like the way he was talking at one of these rallies in New Hampshire, you could see him being like sort of like, like what the guys it's me joe biden you're gonna talk about these other people i'm i'm the one if

we're still talking about this electability thing i have the most name recognition but it turns out i don't have as much support as i thought i did yeah it seems like his i think people are reacting to the fact that his whole like he he makes the most sense as the mainstream media candidate because his message is the mainstream media. Like what the mainstream media covers is this is a horse race. Here's who's winning here, who has the best shot. And he his whole message is I have the best shot. Yeah, it's not it has nothing to do with like, hey, my message will inspire people and energize them to vote for me. I I'm going to win.

You think Trump's going to beat these other guys. And it's just like, I don't know. It's a, it seems like it's uninspiring. It seems like it ties into the same stuff that, uh, you know,

blindsided the democratic national party, uh, in 2016. And that blindsided the mainstream media in 2016. Yeah, because they're like, just show up, dude. You're a bigger name. Right. It's like, that's how this shit works.

Yeah. And now I think, but this is the thing. And then you look at like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie, their messaging is about like what they will functionally do as a president to energize people to be like, I can support that vision rather than the guy who's like, hey, it's a bunch of malarkey in DC andC. and I'm an old guy and I've been there a while. So we're going to be OK. Yeah. And I think that's what I'm sure the Biden campaign is realizing now because they completely underestimated like what what setting out a proper vision for what your presidency would look like, how that like affects your support. Yeah. Well, so this has all been very kind of muddled. And I mean, it's clear that Bernie

has kind of pulled close to even with Pete as we're closing in on 100% reporting. And now the DNC is calling for recanvassing of Iowa, which means essentially a recount of Iowa. So the only possible way to ensure less momentum for the people who showed out in Iowa, Bernie and Pete, is to do a recount to make sure there's no settling in on a final narrative. And that's what the DNC is calling for. And it's starting to seem like that might actually be the only way forward because the New York Times is reporting that there are still all sorts of issues, more than 100 precincts reported results that were internally inconsistent, that were missing data, or we're not possible under the complex rules of the Iowa caucuses.

So it's just still now that they've got 100 percent of the results counted or accounted for close to 100 percent. It's still just a complete fucking mess. And they have to do it over again. What a fucking nightmare. Right. As if the Democrats can't look fucking dumb more yeah you know yeah that was well as if they can't look more dumb more this like the whole thing under the it gives so much ammunition to even trump too when he's like look at these mother they can't even sort their own

shit out yeah and then it's also it's really frustrating for people who are trying to participate in this primary looking at the the leadership within the party and being like hold on like this you fucked up with this app now you're trying to re-canvas there's all this mixed shit it's it's completely fucking up everything and it's all self-created chaos yeah it's not even like there's no even, well, Russia really got us this time. You know, this is just like, no, y'all are, this is. This is just fucking. It's extremely worrisome.

It's just like, we've had four years ago. All right, let's just, no infighting. We just got to get, we got to get someone elected over Trump. Yeah. And from the get-go, we're just not doing it. Boom, immediately. Look, you guys come to your own conclusions and I fight it out on camera. Yeah. And from the get go, we're just not doing boom immediately. Look, you guys come to your own conclusions and fight and I fight it out on camera. Yeah.

So let me just read some of the inconsistencies they're seeing because the New York Times is saying that it doesn't indicate a bias in favor of one. Some of the inconsistencies may prove innocuous and they do not indicate an intentional effort to compromise or rig the result for instance there is no apparent bias in favor of the leaders pete budaj or bernie sanders which is i don't know like i'm not worried that the dnc is going to uh intentionally skew things in favor of bernie sanders like that's that's not a thing that like, I haven't made up my mind that this is all intentional. Like, because obviously it makes them look fucking stupid and incompetent to have

like this many fuck ups. But it just seems like they are, the end result is somebody that they are not at all confident with. like their spiritual leader, Barack Obama was quoted as saying, if Bernie starts pulling away with it, we're going to have to do something, which sounds very foreboding now. I think he was talking more about him throwing his weight behind something, but it kind of goes to the mindset of the establishment Democrats when it comes to Sanders. So I'm just,

it's concerning that as Sanders pulls even with Buttigieg, now they're coming out and being like, well, we got to do a recount. And it's just like, your messaging couldn't be more fucked. Like your timing on all of this. Like, are you trying to get people in the choppo subreddit to claim that you're part of a conspiracy? Like what are you doing? Like it seems like their messaging around this was almost designed to instill the least confidence possible. In everything. In everything. It's really, yeah, I don't know.

Confidence possible. In everything. In everything. It's really, yeah, I don't know. I mean, part of me, late at night as I smoke my blunts watching TV, I'm like, what's really going on here? And then part of me wants to pretend I'm still living in a functional system of governance. But again, I think this is the thing that's always sort of taken out, like the context is missing. When you look at the messaging of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, they're talking about like really trying to restructure how money moves and how power moves within this country. And I think they present, I think to varying degrees, different levels of disrupting the system or the status quo and i don't know if they're if and this is that sort of fear of what those presidencies look like like motivates this

kind of weird shit or not or that's operating on everyone's subconscious or on the media's subconscious on some level uh but i have i don't know like i like those two as candidates because they are actually they're actually identifying and diagnosing the issues within the country. Not enough candidates, or at least the ones that I get excited about, they need to be talking about why are there two realities for people in this country? There's haves and have-nots. And that's not how it was. Ask your fucking grandparent. They could have supported a three-child nuclear family with a job as a janitor in the 50s and 60s. Right. Why isn't that the case now?

Yeah. Why do I need nine jobs? It's confusing, unsettling. Sorry, I'm distracted because it looks like the Cleveland Cavaliers are going to get Draymond or Andre Drummond for literally nothing. Whoa. So that's big. Is Tristan going somewhere? Back to kitchen table issues.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, we can talk about all that now. Right. But yeah, I just feel like there's too many people. I mean, this is kind of like when this was happening to the Republicans in 2016, where somebody was appealing to the part of the country that they don't talk to, I think a lot of the mainstream media was like, how are they going to stop him? What are they going to do to stop him? I was thinking that too. Yeah.

I'm like, the RNC is not going to let this shit bang. Right. Yeah. I feel like the DNC is more willing and capable of pulling some wild shit because they— Wait, what do you mean? Of just, like, you know, finding ways to get in Sanders' way. Oh, the DNC? The DNC.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think the difference is, right, with Trump as president, even though he might not fit the definition meeting with all the big donors he was meeting with Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers and there was like some Texas guy the New Yorker did a profile of like this dude who's like one of the biggest donors in Texas

who was a never Trumper and then the RNC like arranged this big meeting with him and Trump and Trump was just like hey I'm just a regular guy, man. I'm going to hook you up. There's going to be huge tax cuts. And boom, he was a Trump supporter. No, and again, he doesn't disrupt the lifestyle of the people in power.

Yeah. Potentially, you start putting wealth taxes on things and wiping out college debt or these other... There are people who are like, oh, that doesn't really work for me. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think there's much different forces at work. Yeah.

And the mainstream media, meanwhile, seems to be kind of coming around to Trump in a couple... Like, I don't know. I was shocked by the way the end of the impeachment was covered as just a quiddle on like the in the headlines of the USA Today, the Washington Post, just like Trump acquitted exclamation point. Like a spinning newspaper in a movie. Right. Yeah.

to add some context about like how it was uh you know split along partisan lines but it's it's still just completely removing any context from the conversation and it seems like that is i don't know it should say senate disgraces itself right sets new dangerous precedent that a president can do whatever the fuck he wants if he thinks his re-election is in the interest of the country right that's a lot look but maybe it's the media they treat it like it's a movie like they we're treating this like he's he's like a bad guy in a movie like a villain he's he's a bad person who's ruining people's lives well i think maybe this is their way of both sides in it right they're like well it's well, it's not false. That's exactly right. It's a huge moment. Rather than saying- Both sides in it. It's a big moment. And it is like they like to cover things as like, exactly, like a movie, like high drama.

It's like, he's acquitted. Like big news and biggest turn yet. Not just wait to see what this dude does now, knowing that he's literally, we're in the who gonna check me boo phase of this presidency because he was failed to be checked. And I think that's really, to me, the most frightening post acquittal thing that's going on. I can only imagine the fucking video he posted where his presidency went into the year fucking 10,000. Yeah. You know, where it's like it was playing whatever.

There was like a Time Magazine cover that said Trump 2024 and then it goes down 2028, 2032, 2036. The year 10,000 Trump forever. Another one of these memes that somebody made and he reposted because he's like, yeah, that's a good idea. I love that idea.

I love that. And I'll be able to stay alive till the year 10,000. Fantastic. There's advancements in medical technology yeah so you know i think this is just uh it's like we were saying even off mic right like a lot of these media outlets they they live and die by their subscriptions and their advertisers and one of them comes out too far spicy unfortunately we're in a world where the truth it can be too spicy sometimes that they're like,

let's just play it down the middle and just say what happened and not warn people what the potential dangers are. Or if we do, we'll have one person come in, get their opinion. It'll be one sixteenth of what the actual material is, and then we'll keep it moving.

People don't like clicking on reasonable headlines you know what i mean right yeah i guess they want boom this thing happened yeah that just happened i'm surprised usa didn't say he did that yeah exactly and we're close to that yeah right i mean yeah once jesus christ i mean yeah i'm sure there are plenty of publications who had to think in their editorial rooms. They're like, do we not want to invite the ire of his supporters in our community? So we go like, ha, ha, ha, Teflon Don. Right.

You know what I mean? Yeah. What's going to take him down? Right. All right, we're going to take another quick break. We'll be right back. break. We'll be right back. In 1982, Atari players had one thing on their minds, Sword Quest. This wasn't just a new game. Atari promised 150 grand in prizes to four finalists,

but the prizes disappeared. And what started as a video game promotion became one of the most controversial moments in 80s pop culture. I just don't believe they exist. My reaction, shock and awe. That sword was amazing. It was so beautiful. I'm Jamie Loftus. Join me this spring for The Legend of Sword Quest, a podcast about the fall of Atari and the disappearing Sword Quest prizes. We'll follow the quest for lost treasure across four decades.

It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Bruce Bozzi. On my podcast, Table for Two, we have unforgettable lunch after unforgettable lunch with the best guest you could possibly ask for. People like Matt Bomer. Thank you for that introduction. I'm going to slip you a couple of 20s under the table for that. Emma Roberts.

When it came into my email inbox, I was like, okay, I know I'm going to love this so much that I don't even want to read it. Because if I can't be in it, I'm going to be bummed. And Colin Jost. You know, your wife was the first guest on Table for Two. It's come full circle. As long as I do better than her, I'm happy.

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in less than three weeks. President Gerald R. Ford came stunningly close to being the victim of an assassin today. And these are the only two times we know of that a woman has tried to assassinate a U.S. president. One was the protege of infamous cult leader Charles Manson. I always felt like Lynette was kind of his right-hand woman. The other, a middle-aged housewife working undercover for the FBI in a violent revolutionary underground. Identified by police as Sarah Jean Moore. The story of one strange and violent summer.

This is Rip Current. Available now with new episodes every Thursday. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, fam. I'm Simone Boyce. I'm Danielle Robay. And we're the hosts of The Bright Side, the daily podcast from Hello Sunshine that is guaranteed to light up your day. Every weekday, we bring you conversations with the culture makers who inspire us. Like our recent episode with Grammy award-winning rapper Eve on her new memoir and the moments that made her. It became a theme in my life, the underdog syndrome of being questioned,

of the, would they say this to a man? No, they would not. Like, why? That was one of those moments where you're just like, oh, wow. It was a bit shocking, but it didn't take any steam away or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. or anything like that. If anything, it was more of the, okay, I'll show you. No worries. Listen to The Bright Side from Hello Sunshine on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back. And there's an auteur in the world of advertising whose work I didn't realize I was such a fan of. I didn't realize these two projects were linked. the pitch doc to uh from an advertiser about the redesign of the pepsi logo to make it so that the wavy line does not go down the middle of the circle but it's like off to the side a little bit uh i just want to i do want to i mean look at that the yeah he is ingenious you know from taking it from the regular slew to just kind of off to the side squiggly.

My man's printer was weird. That's what happened. So one of the pages I just want to read to you guys. The header, breathtaking. What is this? This is from the doc that they presented to Pepsi as they were like, here's why you're paying us $20 million. And this is why. And we just like tilted your logo to the side.

Right. So header of one of the pages, breathtaking. Creation of identity, colon, the Pepsi universe. On one side, it says universe expansion. Okay. The universe expands exponentially with, and then they just throw in a bunch of like equation shit million miles per hour and then they have like a globe thing x equals one

light year on the right side the pepsi orbits and it's the old logo it's the old logo. It's the old logo. Dimensionizes exponentially. Pepsi planet, old logo. Pepsi galaxy. Like 20 different Pepsi logos orbiting around one another. Well, it's hemispherical. I see what's going on here, Jack. Okay, got it. It's hemispherical.

It's expansion. We're going now to a three-dimensional plane. Yes. So on the left side, X equals one light year, X equals two light years, X equals eight light years. Uh, and it's just the same picture made bigger and bigger.

Uh, but on the right, it's Pepsi planet, just the old logo, Pepsi galaxy, the new logo orbiting around something, Pepsi universe. And it like,

they made it into a, an atom that where all the like quirks and electrons and shit are the new Pepsi logo. Uh, and it is, it's just breathtaking. I wonder anyone taking bullshit. If anyone is actually familiar with astrophysics,

maybe this does make sense, but I'm just saying maybe like in where, if you're just using the logo to represent like electron motion or something like that but what does that actually but it means fuck all to why the you change the logo and also you are having to like just make up what the what the original pepsi logo looks like on the side like that's all made with money that's all made up i mean look you know how these meetings go you know like you get in there you say something

smart enough and like trippy some people will be like oh my god that was fucking genius it's trippy shit said by people who don't have the mind for trippy shit so they are just like that has the sound of like something smart but they don't have the imagination

to like hold the idea of smart something smart yeah but they don't have the imagination to like hold the idea of smart and like trippy and like sort of out it was like the box early like early jayden smith interviews right when he would just say some wild trippy shit like you just overheard some adults say that this whole pitch deck is big jayden smith energy yeah like really 100 yes super nice dude i'm sure i think now his intellect is catching up to him as he gets older i think he's gonna be our next president our next great uh astrophysicist physicist president uh no but uh i'm sure they were very nice when they presented this deck because they got millions and millions of dollars when was this to it was like early 2010s i think yeah damn um so that is from a guy named peter arnell uh he's also responsible uh well first of all gawker did a profile of him where they talked about uh uh the 15 worst bosses in new york city and he is apparently

up there the guy with the galaxy brain galaxy brain guy oh i thought yeah i'll just read some from the from that profile uh he uh once he freaked out in a meeting because the cd did not work in the CD player so he took the CD out and smashed it into pieces on the conference room table the IT guy who was standing behind him ended up going to the hospital because the shards from the CD flew into

his eye when you go to a meeting in his office he makes everyone wait at the door then directs each person where to sit by hierarchy and whatever mood he's feeling. Oh, fuck. That really resonates with the Pepsi pitch doc, because it's all about his idea of-

Universal organization. Millennial vibes. As the light years expand exponentially, it's like, all right, man. Was the Pepsi redesign considered a failure or just like a laughing stock once people got a hold of this material just a laughing stock once people got hold of the material i think most people were like okay yeah we didn't care i'm not buying more or less pepsi because you moved the squiggle yes uh but anyways another piece of work that i hadn't realized was his so tropicana used to have a very recognizable carton.

And it was, they were the only, like they were the first to get to fresh squeezed orange juice. Really? Yeah, they did it by, it's wild how they did it. They created these giant vats. They look like big, like things that you would assume like gas is being held in, like natural gas. But it's actually giant vats of orange juice that have all the oxygen sucked out.

They can hold your orange juice there for years. Oh, because it doesn't oxidize? It doesn't oxidize. Nothing bad happens to it. The only bad thing that happens to it is it tastes like shit. It loses all its flavor. It loses all its flavor. It loses all its flavor.

So what Tropicana had to do was- So you're still drinking fresh squeezed orange juice. Technically, it was squeezed. It's squeezed. It's from three years ago. It's three years old, but it hasn't been touched by oxygen, so it's fine. It just lost all its flavor. But then they added this thing that is like a flavoring uh

it's like the essence of orange it has nothing has nothing to do with the taste it's all scent based so if you can't if you can't smell your orange juice from tropicana it won't taste like oranges to you i feel like i've had that when i had a cold but if you don't have your ability to breathe though that affects affects your tasting ability. No, but I know people whose sense of smell doesn't work, who had some damage or something. Oh, you're saying if you're... Yeah. Got it.

And that affects your ability to taste things. And olfactory is more tied to what you think things taste like than what you realize. But what about the new factory? That's right. So anyways, Tropicana had the game locked just with this carton that was an orange with a straw in it. That was genius.

With the little barber pole striped. Yeah, with a barber pole striped. I remember the commercials. I remember trying to drink an orange like that as a kid. Yes. Like that communicates every fucking thing you need to know. Love it. So this dude comes in and changes the carton to be a glass of orange juice.

That's it. Like just a big glass of orange juice on the side. Like a near wine glass. Yeah, it looks like a wine glass. So it doesn't even look like the orange juice that you were used to uh and the tropicana logo going up the side it i remember being like did they get rid of tropicana orange juice yeah like what the fuck happened to tropicana orange yeah and then like because he also fucked with the logo uh they lost 33 million dollars in sales and immediately had to change the design back.

Oh, they just went right back? Yeah. I think they went pretty much back. Oh, wow. It's close to being back to what it used to be. Right. Or at least having an orange on it rather than an obscure- An obscure glass of orange juice.

That could be any orange juice. It could be from Concentrate. Oh, shit. Yeah. They any orange juice. It could be from concentrated. Oh, shit, yeah. They just went back. They literally just went back. Like, give me the orange with the straw in it. Yes. Stop fucking around.

Yes. Hey, they tried it with that minimal design. Yeah. It would have got you points at Art Center. Right. I felt like that wave was happening, though, with Unique Low and all these minimalist-type companies. It's just like, don't mess with our orange minimalist type companies. It just doesn't work for that.

Right. We're not looking for like beautiful future forward 8X light year design from our orange juice cartons. And also, it wasn't even a good design. I wonder what that deck looked like. If he was saying the Pepsi thing was all about atomic subparticles and shit like that, he was like, nah, see, the future, people will not actually be drinking oranges with a straw inserted into it. We need to be real.

Yeah, exactly. We will all be drinking our orange juice in the form of a mimosa. So it should be a champagne flute. Yeah, that is what it evokes, is mimosa. I wonder if for him... And the coloring isn't even good. Yeah, it doesn't look like orange. Well, I mean, I don't know if the... We don't know exactly what the colors are. We're going through a screen. I just

want to be fair to him from a color processing level. This is courtesy of Monosynth on Twitter, so shout out to them. Let's talk about the Oscar campaign. The Oscars are this weekend. We've talked before about how studios launched these elaborate advertising campaigns in an attempt to influence voters. I didn't realize how elaborate they got and just how up their own asses they got.

Remember we even talked, remember Maisel Day in LA? Fucked the whole city up when they're like day yeah for to to promote uh marvelous mrs mazel amazon like teamed up with a bunch of businesses in la and were like offer people 1965 prices on everything so it's like you get a manicure like a nickel get a hot dog for like 10 cents or some shit and then at one point there was a gas station in santa monica that was serving up gas for like pennies on the dollar. And it caused a full blown disruption. And they're like, OK, we shouldn't have done that. Right.

But so this year's Oscar contenders, Joker paid for sponsored content on Variety, which is an entire series of articles highlighting the genius of Joker. But that's pretty standard. Because it's an industry rag, you feel the thinking is we're going to get directly to our audience by doing a four-page spread that looks like it's in there, but then the fine print says advertisement on the bottom.

Yeah. I mean, it's still fucked up. It's weird on Variety's behalf. Well, I just think a Warner Brothers backing is going to be a lot different than a Parasite backing. Right. Yeah, I mean, a clearly better movie, again, biased, but isn't going to get as much advertising dollars.

Hey, let's just buy the magazine. I feel like that's where the trouble comes in there. One of the articles about Joker literally opened with a quote by Gandhi. Oh, God. Gandhi once said, the true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members. The filmmakers of Joker have created a piece of art that is startling in both its cinematic élan and its compassionate portrait of society's lost souls.

Another referred to Joker as the hangover director, Todd Phillips' magnum opus. Multiple times it did that. And then there's also a Because You Love Movies campaign for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and just making it seem like it's a movie about movies which I guess all Tarantino movies are essentially but

it's a circle jerk about filmmaking yeah but Netflix really you know they're new to the game of trying to buy Oscar wins so they went they went in this year. So instead of just placing ads in industry magazines, they literally created their own industry magazine just to highlight their content. It's called Q-U-E-U-E. The cover looks like Eddie Murphy saying, hold up, Netflix. This isn't the best idea. Like his hand is up. I know you're paying me $70 million.

But is this the best move? Two separate podcasts from former entertainment journalist Chris Tapley and Krista Smith, who now work as consultants for Netflix. Reach out to me, Netflix, if you're looking for other entertainment consultants. They seem to have an article from Roxanne gay in there. Yeah.

Wow. No, it's like they created a magazine that I would maybe look at, but, uh, on a single block of sunset Boulevard, there are three looming billboards promoting, uh,

the Irishman and quick succession, uh, local TV stations have run 30-minute infomercials featuring Robert De Niro and Marriage Story, Scarlett Johansson, just before primetime. What the fuck are these infomercials? There's a week-long pop-up museum at the Four Seasons Hotel that memorialized their top awards contenders.

They spent well over $100 million just advertising these movies to the handful of people who vote on the Academy Awards well I mean it's more than a handful it's a couple hundred right well I guess the logic is like they'll spend you know five to twenty on an like normal studios might do that for their marketing so it kind of it seemingly adds up that way but I think they're Netflixflix just in sort of different position in terms of how they they need to motivate people to look at it too yeah like their thing is more being like no netflix is a thing guys more than like where

people from the actual studio is like consider this film we're gonna buy a bunch of ad space the traditional way netflix like oh we're also relevant right and it seems like uh for all of that investment they may only win two awards uh that's kind of looking like on average that's what they're most likely to win and the irishman which is there's a in los angeles there's a billboard for the Irishman every two blocks. Oh yeah. Yeah. And like not even good moments from the Irishman. Half the time I'm confused what it is.

I'm like, what the fuck is that? Yeah. Irishman? Irishman, yeah. New Marvel movie, Irishman.

Yeah. And Marriage Story I see everywhere too. Yeah. Yeah. Like, watch, I'm gonna look out the window right now at a Marriage Story bill see everywhere, too. Yeah. Yeah. Watch. I'm going to look out the window right now at a Marriage Story billboard. Literally.

He just did. There it is. But yeah, when they find out they win two awards next year, will they continue to do this or will they shave some of that money off just to make more good movies? Right. They're in a weird spot. Just like that's what I actually give them some legitimacy over this past year because I did enjoy most of those actual. Like I was finally convinced that actual movies come out on Netflix.

Right. With Marriage Story. Like, you know, just keep finding those directors and convincing them, throw them the usual rates to make those movies and come out on Netflix. Like that's the best campaign. Right. And I think they're just, it's weird because they're kind of doing the thing where, you know, because last year, right, a lot of filmmakers were being like, I don't know if Netflix really should be in contention.

They're a streamer and, like, they're just getting around the rules. Wasn't Scorsese saying that? I think Spielberg even had something to say. Like, a lot of them, you know, because they're entrenched in their old shit. Right. Yeah. And so because of that, like, they want to fit in their old shit right yeah um and so because of that like they're they want to fit in with the regular crowd but really they're positioned to do the

cool shit like make aroma you know what i mean like yeah not aroma make roma um and other films because you know i just makes aroma right yeah i did like when i you know the ucla annual diversity study on film and television came out, well, just the film report came out just now. And when you look at what's going on, you like, you need something like a Netflix or someone who isn't going to use a traditional rules to determine what kind of content they make. I mean, look, they make all kinds of shit because they're spending money out. I don't even know where they're creating money from but like you look at just for example i think one of the more damning things right and everyone talks about oscar's so white yes they're like the report shows there's a uptick in women of color

people of color women uh participating on camera in uh directing roles and writing roles. But the real shit you see is that at the higher level, the people who work at the studios, that shit is not changing. 91% of C-level, C-suite positions at the very top, the highest executives at a studio, this is going from major to mid-major studios, 91% are white and 82% are men. And then if you go down a notch from C suite to just exact senior executives, 93% are white and 80% are men. Then even go slightly down

more the org chart. And you see that the film unit heads 86% white, but only 69% male. So we have the real shit is coming at though from those people who are at the levers who are green lighting shit and being like, let's develop this. Let's not work with this person. Let's invest in this creator. These are like, you know,

when you see all that and you couple that with, you know, the kinds of films that we're putting out, I do see like the tremendous value of a Netflix. Who's just going to be like, yo, you know what? Like maybe they have the metrics to understand that it makes sense for them to make a movie

like this. Right. But they're also sort of prioritizing good shit from time to time, at least with some of the original series they're coming out with. Yeah. No, for sure. I mean, for somebody to be metrics focused, that's probably a good thing because a lot of basically all of the sort of residual

white male centrism of the entertainment industry actually is it doesn't make sense it makes for worse movies and less successful movies because they don't speak to half of your consuming public.

And again, even when you look at box office, like domestic ticket sales, in 2018, 50% of those ticket sales for six of the top 10 films were from people of color. Yeah. In 2019, minorities bought 50% of the tickets of the top nine out of 10 films. Yeah. So like, look, I mean, just off of 10 films. Yeah. So, like, look. I mean, just off of that, you'd be like, okay, well, based off of that, huh.

Right. 50%? Yeah. Huh. People of color are overrepresented in the movie viewing and movie ticket purchasing audience, and they're wildly underrepresented in, like, the people who are making the actual decisions

on what movies get made. It's literally a scene in Dolomite Is My Name where they go and watch the front page and then Eddie Murphy and all of us, and it's sold out theater, all white people, except for Eddie Murphy and his friends, and they go, this isn't funny at all. And then they go and become successful

making movies for the underrepresented. Yeah. Literally a movie in one of their biggest movies. So, I don't know. Those messages don't reach the top level. Well, you know, we'll see what happens. We'll all be waiting with bated breath.

Is it a hostless Oscars again? I think so. I think so, yeah. Good for them. I think that's a better way to go. That was better last year. Let's hope it works again. I'm acting like I'm going to watch it. Good for them. Really think that's a better way to go. That was better last year. Let's hope it works again. I'm acting like I'm going to watch it, but I'm like, yeah, good for them. Really looking forward to that. Yeah.

Well, at my Oscars party. I just remembered fucking today that they were happening. As I read shit, I was like, right. Yeah. This weekend. I'm going to be going with a lot of NPR hosts to an Oscar party where we're all in an Oscar pool and it's very competitive. That's how we do Oscars. We have a winery

tour on the line for the winner. You're going to take the Napa Valley wine train. Well, CJ, it's been a pleasure having you, man. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you? Well, we got the other podcast, The Greatest

on iHeartRadio that comes out every week where we discuss the greatest things in sports, greatest comebacks, greatest dressers, greatest beefs. We interview our comedian friends and celebrity friends and anyone who's

interesting. Check that podcast out. Now, his greatest dressers all time? Yeah. Okay. Are there any? It's going to be tough, yeah. I feel like, yeah.

Because only in the last, I'd say, decade has people started dressing cool. Vince Carter. Vince Carter, I don't know. He used to wear like a robe length silk coat. Did he really? Oh, yeah. Like double bootleg jeans. Yeah, the early 2000s.

Remember Shaq wore like a knee length coat, like a purple suit? Whoa. Clyde Frazier. Who's in the conversation for best dresser? I mean, I would say Westbrook. I would say Iverson just because of his significance. Yeah. You like Russell Westbrook the way he dresses?

Yeah, I do. But I think Harden would put himself in the same class but Harden just goes for you know the absurd right Westbrook has like an actual like aesthetic and like you present him with wild stuff he'll be like that's not part of my vision sure you know I like what he does but yeah

I think Iverson is just like important and I mean it got me a Filipino kid to wear giant jerseys to my all-boys Catholic school in the early 2000s. Where did you go to school? It's reaching me. In Pennsylvania, Cathedral Prep. Oh, OK. Played Kobe's high school team.

Laura Marion? Yeah, Laura Marion for the state championship. Whooped his ass? Yeah. Put up 30 on him? No, well, it was fun. The story- You're 43, right? That I remember. Yeah. No, I didn't play No, well, it was fun. The story. You're 43, right?

That I remember. No, I didn't play in it, but it was my future alma mater. But the story that happened there was that Kobe, you know, obviously was going to go to the NBA, and we were just like this Hoosier-ass team, a bunch of little white dudes, and no one thought we were going to be competing in it at all. But we were up at half, and then Kobe complained to the ref at halftime

that the ball was slippery, and then they switched it out, and he scored like 17 in the second half, but we were up at half, and then Kobe complained to the ref at halftime that the ball was slippery, and then they switched it out, and he scored like 17 in the second half, and they won. Oh, wow. It was just like, oh, I got the Kobe story before he even entered the league. Yeah. So, yeah. Ball's slippery.

I do hate a slippery basketball, though. Yeah, but it's for – You always say that when you miss a shot. Yeah, exactly. I was like, oh, ball's slippery. Yeah, what kind of ball is this? What is this? It's rubber

awesome is there a tweet or some other work of social media you know what um i yeah i sent it to myself last night it's from a comedian named dan lakata um who is just ridiculous um and he writes for snl i don't know if i'll even be able to do this justice by reading out loud. Okay, so he just tweets out really stupid stuff. And so he tweeted, Every night I sit at da comedy cellar table in a children's high chair, drink wild cherry Pepsi, and every now and then say, Y'all play too much.

And just also, if you don't know who he is just look him up his twitter is insane and it's so funny to know he writes at you know one of the most important comedy institutions and um he writes on joe pera's adult swim show just a big fan of his uh miles where can people find you and what's the tweet you've been enjoying oh you can find me on twitter and instagram at miles of gray and also on 420dayfiance. The other show I do with Sophia Alexandra talking about 90-day fiance. Some tweets that I like. One is from Aparna Nuncherla at Aparnapkin.

It says, I will never get over the fact manslaughter with alternate pronunciation is man's laughter. Oh, shit. So stupid. And then another one. This is from at Maddie Smith. There's this tweet that says, meet the shadow team, like the people who put the app together

for the Iowa caucuses. And he just pulled, why was a UCB improv team entrusted with our democracy? The photo is very improv team vibes. Oh, yeah. Laptop-themed improv team. Everyone clutching their laptops. Plad shirt.

It's everything, yeah. They're called iOS, Improv OS. Oh, boy. Just escaping on it. Tweet I've been enjoying. At Jeremy Monjo tweeted, It would be cool if Parasite inspired Hollywood to start making mid-budget thrillers again. Instead, they're probably just going to cast Song Kang-ho as the secondary villain in Ant-Man 3.

Yeah. That would be something. And then Cody Johnston tweeted, Wormy slanders declaring victory after the quote, votes were quote, counted. Disgusting. You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist.

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