The Daily Zeitgeist - Hidden Nazis Revealed, Dems Love Big Pharma 9.20.21

Episode Date: September 20, 2021

In episode 991, Jack and Miles are joined by the host of the The Beginnings and Couples Therapy podcasts Andy Beckerman to discuss a data breach that exposed the far-right, internal Facebook memos admitting they are part of the Anti-Vaxx problem, Dems love themselves some money, QR codes from joke to essential, fake vaccines cards = big money and more!FOOTNOTES: Epik’s data breach means the far-right web is being exposed More Facebook memos: THEY KNOW THEY ARE PART OF THE ANTI-VAXX PROBLEM Dems are also greedy pieces of shit QR Codes Went From Lame Gimmick to a Pandemic Essential The Fake Vaccine Card Business is Booming! LISTEN: Injury Reserve - "Jailbreak The Tesla" Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's bigger than you and you aren't on TV. The ratings Trump delivers. Those muscly ham-sized thighs. Oh no, I said too much about the thighs. That is courtesy of Justin Gleasoning. About the thighs. That is courtesy of Justin Gleasoning. And it is, yeah, a little losing my religion for Donald Trump.

And I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray! I mean, you heard it. When it comes to long games, I'm not good at throwing frisbees. So here we go with this rendition of frisbee, frisbee, frisbee, frisbee. Please don't make me play because I can't. You toss it with a subtle fling. The grass is slick with summer rain, and I cannot complete the catch frisbee. You could have your choice of teams but I may never run again I think I jacked my knee frisbee now shout out to christy yamaguchi main at alora underscore

main you started I love to see this someone does one thing then you hop on you make a whole aka so credit to you and thank you for understanding my plight as a terrible thrower of the disc. That's beautiful. I heard that was written all in one day. Yeah. On the spot, man. Yeah. Same day that they wrote an AKA for I Will Always Love You.

Well, we are thrilled to be joined by a brilliant writer and comedian who's written for The Pete Holmes Show and Cedric's Barber Battle. He co-hosts the great podcast Couples Therapy with Naomi Ekperigen and his interview podcast Beginnings just celebrated its 500th episode. In a past life, he was a philosophy professor and PhD candidate. Please welcome the brilliant, the deep, the hilarious Andy Beckerman! Hi, everyone. What's up?

I'm so glad that everything I've done since I moved to Hollywood is just development or pilots that went nowhere. So you have to kind of dig deep in there for something. I don't know, man. That's cool. Love Cedric. No, it's cool. I wrote't know, man. That's cool. Love Cedric. Love Pete Holmes. No, it's cool. I wrote that entire show with a friend of mine because he had hired all of his friends to write it and they weren't writers.

So at some point they're like, maybe we should hire actual writers to write this show. Yeah. You got some shows in development also? Is that what I'm seeing? Like every other person in this town, yes. No, I don't know. But you have shows in development with some companies is that what i'm saying like every other person in this town yes no i don't know but you have shows with like uh some companies i've heard of like i don't know cbs so you know yes that is true what what's good man how have you been oh well uh i mean

the truth is incredibly depressed but uh loaded question you know, the slow dystopia is upon us. And I've just been trying to claw out from a hole. I feel you. You know, day to day, it's not bad. Our dog's in remission. Mabel is in remission. So that has been a joy. But, you know, driving to the vet every week for months for chemotherapy uh takes its toll on

you who knew cancer who knew having a taking care of a loved one even if it's a dog with cancer is difficult yeah yeah oh that's brutal man how long how long were you were you doing that for oh god so mabel we found she had a breast lump in february and then she had a mastectomy, and then chemo was like three months long. Wow. Wow. That's good. Hey, nothing to uplift a show like immediately talking about the slow dystopia and then launching into dog cancer. Canine cancer.

What is the third act? and then launching into dog cancer. Canine cancer. What is the third act? It's funny because our last guest, Ayumi, she had a thing too where she said, yeah, it's been tough, but hers was like a very positive turn.

It's like in the span of like a couple of months, her mom was diagnosed with cancer and then declared cancer free. So we've had the full spectrum of stories so far. Yeah. Look, Mabel's in remission. So that's great. Naomi, my dear love, just taped her Netflix special and she destroyed it. That was amazing.

I'm writing a movie for the first time. I mean, that's amazing. So look, there are good things that are happening. Blessings abound. So it's not all blessings and blessings. Doom and despair. How are you guys? You know, you know, looking to America's rotten eye every day.

Literally everything I needed to know was contained in those two syllables. A pause and you know. You know. Like everybody else, just hanging on by our fingernails. Waiting for that cartoon bird to pluck the fingers off the leg. Yeah, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then another bird, and you're like, oh, God. I got my flu shot this morning, as did my five-year-old.

I highly recommend people get their flu shots. Also in L.A., get your dog's flu shots. Get your canine flu shots. Yeah, I didn't realize that was a whole thing until like everyone in our like studio thread was like, get my dog their flu shot and realizing canine flu is just running. I think it's bad this year. Can I suggest instead of getting a flu shot either for your for yourself? Well, for your dog, that's great. But for yourself or your for your family, I just take tick medicine.

OK, oh, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The heart and that prevent I've heard that prevents against the flu. that's great but for yourself or your for your family i just take tick medicine okay oh good yeah yeah the heart and that prevent i've heard that prevents against the flu put a little uh a little the oil on the back of your neck so you can't scratch a little revolution medicine you love it i put on a flea collar and i think that protects against germs well we should say because this isn't a video show, you are wearing one of those neck cones right now. Yeah, Elizabethan collar. Yeah. So I can't lick the medicine off.

Right, exactly. All right, Andy, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about. epics with a K, data breach, which means that far-right web users, organizations are being exposed, which is a good thing. So happy news up top. We're going to talk about more Facebook memos that got leaked. We're going to talk about, we're going to just do a quick PSA that Democrats are also greedy pieces of shit based on their work on the pharmaceutical bill. We're going to talk about the release of 191 Rikers Island inmates amid just hell on earth conditions at the jail. We're going to talk about the QR code, the rise, the fall, the re-rise of the qr code the mighty qr the mighty qr all

of that plenty more but first andy we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history okay so this is actually this directly relates to the last time that i was on so the last thing i searched was phoenix vault of heracles phoenix spelled f-e-n-y-x uh the last time i was on i was like despairing because i i finished zelda right and i didn't have a new game to play and i asked the zeitgang for some recommendations i got a ton of great ones and i started playing this is the worst name in the world, but it's a fun game. Immortals Phoenix Rising. I see so many ads for that game. It's fun. It's a terrible,

terrible name. Again, Phoenix, but F-E-N-Y-X. Yeah, I love to see it. F-E-N-Y-X. That's what I was getting wrong. Yeah. So it's a Zelda-like game you play with throughout Greek mythology, basically. Oh, okay.

Were you a Greek mythology fan growing up? Oh, 100%. That's such an interesting... Yeah, for real. Yeah, we talked about that on an episode a while back, that that is a stage that a lot of kids go through. Some kids get obsessed with dinosaurs. One of my sons is super obsessed with trains and some kids,

like when I just put the call out, I was like, what was one of your like childhood obsessions? That was really strange. And a lot of people were like five years hard on Greek mythology. I was like, wow, that's,

that's so unique. Civil war. Was it really? Yeah. Cause I went to like the Autry museum and there was need a civil war. Was it really? Yeah. Cause I went to like the Autry museum and there was like a civil war exhibit. And then my dad was like explaining like, as he would, which is like no,

like no punches held like explanation of the civil war. And I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. And I'm like, then why, why is this stuff in here? He's like,

good question. Which version did he give you, though? Was it like it states rights or was it like, no, no, the South wanted to keep slavery? My father is a proud black man said this shit was about state rights. He was like, this was to stop slavery. And I'm like, slavery? He's like, they don't have that exhibit in here. I don't know your dad. He could have been a Larry Elder fan. Yeah. Right. No, you never know. You never know. Yeah. But he got an education and grew up fairly

aware. So yeah, that, that passed down to me. Damn. You guys were some old ass souls. I was, I was just into sharks, sharks and karate. See, my whole thing was I had so many older family members and like kids I looked up to around me. I was always the youngest that I was always like, I was trying to swing way out of my weight class every time just to kind of catch up with the people around me. So yeah, it was, I didn't have time for sharks, Jack. Yeah. I was, uh, whatever the opposite of precocious is.

I was like a very dumb kid. Very simple and off in my own world. Just wearing a hat with the spinny blade on top. Always. Yeah, I wore that every day to school until 8th grade. I just like stories about people turning into monsters

and spiders and stuff. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Greek mythology I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Look, Greek mythology was just anamorphs before that existed. I was too young for anamorphs. Right.

Right. But the anamorphs weren't banging humans. Well, they kept that part. There was like, I mean, you know, Zeus is a serial sexual assaulter. Like they keep that stuff out of the kids version. Yeah. Right. The kids bop version of Greek mythology. Exactly. out zeus is a serial sexual assaulter like they keep that stuff out of the kids version yeah right the kids bop version of greek mythology exactly so is the game does the game kind of deliver on like your dreams as a as a child of like getting to you know fuck around and be inside the world of greek mythology yeah you get to hang out with uh with uh athena wow you get to uh

shoot uh chimeras and you get to punch other monster i really uh yesterday was yom kippur and so my brain from fasting all day my brain was destroyed and then i like to break the fast i basically ate a full dinner and a bag of potato chips there you go so like i'm just like i'm in my brain right now desperately thinking about like what's another thing for a cyclops you guys like fighting cyclops so i'll say clopey cyclopi yeah whatever it is i'm down oh then you're gonna love phoenix was there ever a moment like because i know you're you're you're you have an eye for detail you like love information and things like that where there are moments you're like i cannot abide by this thing that they've presented to me or overall it was a nice presentation no because i've learned to like shut that part of my if i want to have fun i've

learned how to like move from like didactic professorial mode into like uh look it's taken eight years of therapy but what you know i'm not sitting here like critiquing like well they didn't get uh they didn't get the um manticore exactly. So I'm going to write to Ubisoft and make sure they hear what I have to say. I'm going to have a long Twitter thread about how they didn't do this right. Why Immortals Fenyx Rising is inaccurate. A thread. Although, if we're being honest, they did not get the Manticore correct. Let's just face facts.

Yeah. But I'm not going to be the one to point it out. What is something you think is overrated? Guys, have you heard about this thing? The Oedipus Complex. Have you heard? I can't believe it. That's all.

Anytime you bring up Freudian psych psychotherapy all everyone's talking about is the oedipus do you know what it is oh yeah you do i know like about an oedipal complex yeah yeah you kill your dad and you have sex with your mom and then rip your eyes out what is that about that's gross i remember in high school we had to read oedipus rex and i was like bro this is the one where he has sex with his mom and rips his eyes out and like my teacher was like there's a lot more than just that and i'm like okay i guess i thought you were gonna say she was like spoilers my yeah people i think it's just more like that this idiot who this like young smart ass right just be like we don't need to read this

this guy bangs his mom rips his eyes out we're good right right uh i can tell you everything you need to know yeah i'm the spark notes right here as a learned learned man of books uh andy is the oedipus complex like overrated like did, did Freud say, oh, this is something that happens like sometimes and people are like, Freud said we all want to fuck our moms. Or is it? Did Freud actually say that shit? Yeah, it's not like Freud himself. It's our sick society. It's our sick society that like, like really fixated upon that and then turned it into like a porn genre.

Right? Yeah, that is wildly popular what is it if you're it's your stepmother though that's still edible yeah step step step step step step the ball step the pedicle i think the other version is the electric complex if i remember right but it's gross let's stop talking about it no one's doing it was it has it been wait what was the last time you had to confront something like this because i feel like man i haven't really i don't i haven't seen it on twitter recently but i'm has something come up recently we're like here we go with the edible shit right just like all these creepy billionaires are doing

this kind of stuff am i right billionaires killing their dads and sleeping with their moms. That's why we got to get rid of them. It's not about the, it's not about any economic stuff. It's that there are these gross creeps. Right. I mean, you,

you're not, you think Epstein's the only one? Right. Yeah. They're all like that. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated, Andy? Hey, have you guys watched that TV show Lodge 49?

No, I don't think I have. Yeah. Okay. And that's because it's underrated. This is here for real. Lodge 49. So I love this show. I interviewed the creator, Jim Gavin, on my podcast a while ago.

But I've been holding back the second season because it got canceled after the second season and I knew there were no new episodes coming. I really wanted to savor it. It's one of the best shows in the last 10 years, just hands down. like a bunch of different characters who are very down and out but find meaning in this lodge and it's just like you know a gathering place where they can talk and meet and have a community together but there's all this other kind of stuff going on like with the kind of mystical history of the lodge but it takes it's there's no kind of like actual supernatural stuff it all takes place in reality but they're just kind of like their own lives are kind of just like imploding and so they kind of invest in this lodge and in the mythology of the lodge and it stars kurt russell's son okay and a bunch of great character actors and it's it's i think you can get it on hulu you can and the title refers to The Crying of Lot 49, which is a novella by Thomas Pinchon

that has that sort of, it's not supernatural, but it seems like there's all this stuff going on below the surface and all these patterns all around us and type thing that he says was an inspiration. I am reading this off of Wikipedia, but that is one of my favorite. One of my favorite. I thought it was an inspiration. I am reading this off of Wikipedia, but that is one of my favorite. One of my favorite. I thought it was a novel.

I was proud when I read it, but apparently just a novella. So they're trying to steal that from you. They're trying to steal that accomplishment for me. It's a novel. Yeah, thank you. Is it about the author's intent that dictates if it's a novel or novella?

Or what's like the, how do you even determine that?ates if it's a novel or novella? How do you even determine that? I think it's a number of words, a word count. But I also think it's fuzzy. It's a novel. They're just trying to compare it to Gravity's Rainbow, which is like 10,000 pages. Right. It's all relative. That's the show.

Okay. The most underrated show. You said, I like this. Yeah, I'm'm definitely gonna check it out uh do you are you streaming it as of late or what what's yeah where i've just started going through the second season and uh it's just incredible and i wish they had had more seasons where is it available for streaming where are you hello hello okay got it yes probably the amc it's for it was on amc i guess if you have the amc app i don't know how many people i don't uh have the amc plus

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but uh you might remember him because his name is Rob Monster. No. Yeah, bro. Oh, yeah. And that's his given name. Who knows? I mean, he looks so lame. You're like, honestly, you might just had a cool name and just been like, look like this guy. I don't know.

Yeah. He was inspired by Rob Zombie, but like couldn't be. You don't want to bite specific. Someone called him a biter. So he changed it. Rob. Oh, he changed it. I'm looking wikipedia it changed it from rob frankenstein and people were like oh so you're a doctor and he was like meant the monster sick neck bolt tattoos bro but anyways for a long time, the far right has kind of information that far right researchers journalists activists have always been like who is actually running these sites like who who's

who are these domains registered to because that was the whole deal with epic rob monster was like free speech baby you know that's why he was hosting shit like gab and parlor fucking the gop texas web website all kinds of shit like that and it was always under this thing of like your information is sacred it's fucking prioritized it's bulletproof no one can breach this and then cut to 10 years of fucking everything like to the point where like every analyst who's looked at it said i've never seen any like a more breathtaking breach of like data ever because it's and the way that epic like just had an utter lack of security with things made it very easy where even if people were like i need my

nazi site i need to be anonymized as like the for being the owner of this domain they're like yeah yeah you can use our anonymized service blah blah blah they just turned it into a number that was attached to another number that like they could easily cross reference. And they're like, oh, OK, so it's this guy. And so suddenly a lot of people like I mean, this this breach just happened. So slowly things are coming out. But Anonymous says, quote, the data is all that's needed to trace actual ownership and management of the fascist side of the Internet. That is alluded researchers, activists and well, just about everybody.

So this has been an interesting thing because Epic at at first, this guy Rob Monster tried to be, he was like, oh, that's a nothing, but like, I don't know what's going on. There's nothing happening and really hasn't acknowledged the extent of this breach. And then there are a lot of other people on the far right, you know, internet who are like kind of in this sort of mixed reaction of like confusion, denial and fear. So it's going to be a very interesting next couple of weeks as you know, I think there's going to be a lot of unmasking. I think of,

of some of these websites, a bunch of cops, politicians. Oh, I love figures. I kind of, how come when these, these quote unquote free speech guys,

how come all of the, the websites they host are always Nazi websites and like fascist websites? How come it's never pro-Palestinian websites or anything on the left that somehow Google pushes down in there and their searches? How come it's oh, it seems like free. I don't know about it. It just seems to me, maybe I'm crazy, that when people talk about, quote unquote, free speech, they really just mean fascism and Nazis. I mean, recently, that has definitely been the trend. For sure, there has been a history of the left being policed and probably still up till recently it's just the ones that get covered and that get lumped in with these websites tend to be yeah white supremacists

yeah the weird the rob monster did like a online like ama over video like i don't know why and it's the fucking weirdest thing i've ever seen where like journalists are like being like hey you host this like website of this guy who doxed me like you this violates your terms of service like take down the site now and he's like yeah you know like i'm really transparent and he's like on his computer like clicking away and he's like yep it's down i just took it down and then you just hear like like like slapping the slapping of hands like he's pretending he's typing oh yeah they're like we can see your hands you're not touching anything he's like oh yeah i'm deleting everything and there were like this call had like neo-nazis on it activists they were

like yelling at each other this but then that would a certain point, Rob Monster was like, like asking for like angels to rebuke the demons. It was like a whole thing. Like, I think it's he clearly wasn't did not want to be honest as to just the extent of how bad this breach was and how like vulnerable he left all of his customers. And the other thing is, too, there's people who I think use or not. I think there are people who use Epic that aren't, you fascists uh so their information is leaked too but at the same time i think really the thing that these researchers are mostly interested by are like former teachers who are running things like you know dank nugs for like fucking proud boys is a good one too yeah no there's a new jersey teacher who got fired for saying that like you know doing

one of his weird covid is like the holocaust type takes and he got fired and then his name came up as like owning all kinds of wacky you know site domains and things like that so there's like a doctor who owns a ton of trump websites in california there's like slowly starting to see things it's gonna be interesting to see how the tucker carlson show continues to be produced once every single person who works for him is unmasked because like right i know his main writer got like unmasked as like just the most reprehensible online nazi bully and he had to let him go he had to let him resign um i wonder what's gonna happen to every single person who writes for him they'll just keep writing for him under yeah what's it when have there ever been repercussions right for tucker carlson or anyone that works at fox he just venmo's that writer now

under the table basically sure by the way was uh why wasn't every question at the AMA? Why is your last name monster? He his whole thing is just so his whole energy is just really like he really told all these people he promised them, you know, like in a way like he he grifted all these far right people to to be like, they won't do like I will, even though, you know the years like the pittsburgh synagogue shooting he was like hosting content from that the the one in christ church like he's the epic has been involved with some of the most heinous shit on the internet and at the same time you would lure them in with this promise of like nothing's gonna everything's safe but also every analyst said this is the most laughable security I've ever seen in my life. They said it was like locking the door to a bank at night, but you turn the alarm off and you leave the vault open. So all someone has to know how to do is just pick the door lock and then you have everything. Hmm. Hmm. Wow.

Sounds like justified season six. Yeah. I was just thinking about like Watchmen, the HBO Watchmen and all the cops and politicians and people getting unmasked. It'll be interesting to see what we what we see in the coming days. Let's talk about Facebook while we're on the subject of, you know, online leaks. of you know online leaks facebook there's another batch of leaks and this one reveals that facebook seems to know that they are part of the anti-vax problem yeah it's just like everything we've seen from this wall street journal like series is shit we already saw from the outside but thanks for showing us that these idiots are absolutely aware of it on the inside too and then this is the latest thing it deals with like how zuckerberg apparently you know he he posts that thing how he really he thinks facebook's this vehicle for social change and that he wanted to flex their might to get all these people vaccinated but his own stupid fucking algorithms and lack of moderation just completely undermined all of it.

When vaccines became like, you know, pretty available at the end of the spring of this year, quote, roughly 41 percent of comments on English language vaccine related posts risked discouraging vaccinations. They found. Meanwhile, they said users were seeing comments on vaccine related posts 775 million times a day. And all in this memo, Facebook researchers were worried the large proportion of negative comments could influence perceptions of the vaccine of the vaccine safety. Even authoritative sources of vaccine information were becoming cesspools of anti-vaccine comments. That's a huge problem and we need to fix it. They said there's a fucking slide in that they're presenting internally that said this is a problem we need to fix because they said even if we like spotlight posts from the CDC or Fauci, the comments just fucking melt down and we don't know what to do. So, yeah. we realize as a society, community, whatever, that an algorithm is not a great way to structure anything.

Like an algorithm runs the Google map app I use to get around Los Angeles. And it decides that taking 30,000 left turns to get somewhere five seconds earlier is a good idea. that's instead of like going a straight line right and getting there you know at 10 o'clock and five seconds right that's not a smart way to i mean we already know that like it's racist and uh every other kind of is you can think of because it's all because of the way it's the algorithms are designed you know they kind of follow the brain patterns of the designers right so who are overwhelmingly white so like at what point do we just say hey maybe reintroducing humans into this chain is a smart thing to do right well because at the end of the day it's just a way to set their business on autopilot to keep engagement up and that's all it does they

know they too they know that their algorithm just creates more discord and just fucking chaos they know that that's how it skews and they look at it and they're like well fuck i don't know like but we can only keep saying this so many times uh they go on to talk about like they knew that they were like they knew it was bad but and they tried to get it they knew that they were like, they knew it was bad, but and they tried to get it under control. But they were just so bad at moderating the misinformation, it just became a runaway train. And they said, anti vaccine content was twice as prevalent in comment sections as in posts. But the company's ability to detect or take down problematic comments was quote, bad in English and basically non-existent elsewhere they said that there was like a viral

post that was saying that like that said quote vaccines are all experimental and you are in the experiment it stayed up because quote facebook systems mistakenly thought it was written in romanian okay what so those are all english words. I don't understand what is going on over there. And, you know, publicly, Facebook has always just sort of scoffed at this idea that they have anything to do with vaccine hesitancy, even though anyone who looks at anything go, I know this person is vax hezzy because they're on Facebook all day. It's a very straight line for most people. And they've essentially put their own internal memo show that they know all this is going on. And the memos make it clear they have often made

minimal or ineffectual efforts to address the issues and they play them down in public. So. Yeah, I mean, it's they the thing about their inability to like moderate all of this is purely just based on the fact that they want big margins, right? They don't want to employ the number of people it would take to moderate this shit and keep the public safe. I think we need a fundamental, holistic rethinking of how American capitalism works. And like this came up for me in the QR codes story that we're about to cover, because as they're like kind of instituting these QR codes for vaccine passports, essentially around the country there, it's like multiple like providers and like coders are like providing their own and they're

trying to compete with one another and like there's nobody watching so it's easy to like hack into and with facebook it's you know it's been this way for a long time and they're trying to operate as a like billion trillion dollar business truly a trillion dollar company they're valued a trillion dollars instead of like this should be a government run thing where like we never have any problem with fucking unemployment because they there are so many jobs to make this run that would make this run well and just be like a good source of information but they refuse to do it they insist on running it like it's a fucking like you know like a marketable like trillion dollar i think their margins like in the 30 30 to 40 percent range like that's an insanely high

margin and that's what they're choosing. They're choosing to not spend that money so they have a high margin so that people want to invest in their company, which that's what the system kind of tells them to do. But like the system doesn't work for this anymore. Like we've seen that this is killing hundreds of thousands of people like right in front of our eyes, right in this this report like that is what this tells us well there's also a fear that they don't they don't even know if there is a number of people you could hire to actually moderate it because of the millions of users there on the constant amount of user generated content that comes out like if there's also like question

marks about that right well then it's never they're never going to. They're never it's never going to come from the top down. Right. Because they have absolutely no incentive to do anything about it because it's made them wealthy beyond any of our our imaginations. Right. So they it really has to be, I think, like it has to come from the bottom. There has to be some kind of like movement that changes, right? Not just face. I mean, literally everything.

It, yeah. Well, Sandberg and Zuckerberg, they got to go talk to the, I think the Congress again. Yeah. We'll see what happens there.

But I mean, like, think about like the thing that was the tech industry that was make like minting billionaires back in the like Gilded Age was the railroad system. And then they broke up all these massive monopolies and like change the rules around that. And now we have fucking Amtrak like nobody's getting rich off the railroads anymore. And it's just a like thing. It's a service that like runs that like the government has to subsidize.

And, you know, like just it's over the course of time, like as you figure it out. But like we have figured it out that this does not work as a privatized like service. It needs to be a public service that is treated like anything that is massive and like being used by everybody right but who's our teddy roosevelt right but it's not biden biden's you know barely you know getting to noon without sundowning so it's not like it's not going to be him so who's that person have you ever either of you ever seen a thing on Facebook? And I mean, not that I'm on for more than like three minutes a day, but like, have you ever seen a thing where you're like, I don't need to check a second source. This, this meme from vax goofs dot shit is fine.

No, I mean, to be honest, I, I stopped looking at it like maybe seven years ago. I just couldn't like once i could see like people starting to come out with their like wacky takes about anything i was like dude this it used to just be a place for me to shit talk about old classmates with my other friends to be like did you see their ex pool like they're wilding right now and now it's like all this weird ridiculous like okay everyone's unmasking themselves as racists or whatever i'm like i don't i don't care it's oh i blocked those people nobody made a sense like there's nothing there's nothing here for me like the people i know i talk with and people who want to get at me know how to

get at me relatives post baby photos so i go look for a couple minutes a day and then i'm done yeah but those are deep fakes come on i meet them in know. I meet them in real life, and I'm like, oh, how's Todd, your new infant? They're like, what? Oh, no, no. I G-faked. I was holding a potato. All right. Let's do a quick PSA.

The more you know, Democrats are also greedy pieces of shit. Oh, who'd have thought? Hey, blue no matter who no matter who no matter who it's got to be blue even if they want to raise prescription drug prices on you so you know prescription drug prices are astronomically high in this country that's something we have all known for many years it's been a constant issue here joe biden knew it trump knew it they Trump knew it. They always talk about how terrible like the prescription drug costs are and how they're

going to renegotiate things to get things down to a humane level. And, you know, part of the plan to pay for this three and a half trillion dollar infrastructure plan is to like renegotiate prescription drug costs so the government can save money and then redistribute that as they see fit. But the House Energy and Commerce Committee just voted this shit down in committee. And the Republicans were never going to be on board with this. I don't think anyone counted that. But it took three centrist fucking loser Dems on this committee decided to vote it down and block this piece of legislation. And just to say kurt schrader from oregon scott peters from california and kathleen rice from new york their their whole thing was saying that like it's gonna harm private sector innovation was their fucking reason for this and i'm like that's just wonk speak for they will make less money and they give me a lot to to

basically you know be a fullback to blow open the hole for them uh to just but they showed evidence right oh yeah they showed up they they they had a lot of evidence that said this will hurt they did they said it'll hurt us because we have collectively gotten around almost two million dollars from them in donations so that could fuck us up but this bill was going to save the government about 456 billion dollars and reduce prices by 57 to 75 percent right but they're big pharma fucking darlings uh i just trader and peters they're among the two biggest fucking recipients of pharma donations like almost a million and a half peters is right now the currently the top house recipient of pharma donations like almost a million and a half peters is right

now the currently the top house recipient from pharma and they're and they know they give to these people because they're on these committees that are going to dictate the flow of their business this is how all of this shit works the other thing that's just will really leave you quaking your boots uh peters him isn't his whole family, they're estimated to be worth about 60 million dollars. Like one of the wealthiest people in Congress. His wife is the president and CEO of an investment firm whose company has, you know, manufacturing and packaging for pharmaceutical companies. So there's a lot of, you know, a lot of shoulder rubs going on here. of, you know, a lot of shoulder rubs going on here. And not to mention with Mr. Schrader,

his longtime aide is now a top lobbyist for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, Pharma for short, which is a very powerful Washington drug lobby. And that's textbook revolving door shit. You pick off the people's aides to become lobbyists. You offer them so much cash their eyes bleed that they go turn lobbyists and then all they've done is paid for like a direct line to your old boss who's on it sitting on a committee in congress that's how this shit happens constantly that's the same even a house of cards right remy danton that character he used to be frank underwood's top eight and then he became the lobbyist for the natural gas or whatever fucking company that was. It's just the same, just nonsense.

And so when we look at how these things don't happen, it's because of the money in Congress and the money in politics. It's just these people are, you know, they're they're sponsored by them to make sure legislation that would reduce drug costs by 57 to 75 percent for humans us just doesn't happen right yeah that's why i said before it has to be they're never going to do the right thing either they have no have absolutely no empathy or they are craving little worm tongues it has to it has to be us it has to be everyone from the bottom up. Yeah. And I think people. Yeah. I can't imagine someone who's worth 60 million dollars even has the ability to like open their empathy door to be like, oh, man, like that's a lot of money. Like maybe I should do the right thing, because at the end of the day, lobbying makes it easier to fundraise. It's less time they have to spend out in the field with their hat in hand because lobbyists will package a bunch of donations for them and then say remember big pharma now when shit like this happens and if you need an excuse we'll write them up for you and there'll be really slick

and you can go out and tell people that it's gonna fucking harm private sector innovation like their incentive to innovate doesn't vaporize because they make less money from gouging people that need essential medicines like i so i just reject that premise entirely but that's their again to your point craving enough to go out and say something like that in public right again because of margins because pharmaceutical companies are interested in margins and not like there's no government intervention. There's no regular like these are wildly deregulated industries and suggesting, well, we need more regulation. Like sounds like you're the bad guy from Ghostbusters. So like that's yeah, we've like we're just now coming to terms with like how thoroughly we've been fucking like steeped in just this idea of like small government

deregulation the market is gonna fucking solve everything and it just story after story we're just stepping on rakes you know just like rake after rake just fucking slamming us in the face every single one is caused by the same kind of logic that was created or at least like really got on steroids in the beginning of the 80s. Yeah. And it's been here. The irony is all those words you said, like small, small government, the free market. Those are all just the words of the business owning class that have been just hammered into people's brains. have been just hammered into people's brains and people are like right that's what we need without realizing

no no those are talking points that someone exponentially wealthier than you has put poisoned the discourse with so now the people are like to make oh yeah I like that idea that's I'm gonna cape for that so please destroy your inner fucking

Ronald Reagan yeah by the way have you guys heard the urban legend of large margin? Tell them large margin sent ya. All right, let's take a quick break to, you know, think about that. Digest that, yeah. And we'll be back. It was December 2019 when the story blew up.

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And then. The code. Yeah, exactly. Shout out to Zune, God. And then companies started adopting them and, like, trying to use them in marketing campaigns. And, first of all, they did a bad job. And because it was just a gimmick, it wasn't, like, a actually, like, centrally funded thing that they were trying to build any significant part of their business on. So we had things like Heinz put a QR code on their ketchup bottles and somebody scanned it and was sent to a porn website.

Wait, for real? Like somebody. to a porn website they also wait for real like yeah yeah like somebody so like i think they just like let the url lapse really quickly after they did the thing and so somebody came in and just had like put a bunch of porn videos on wow a web page realizing hey there's a lot of traffic going here and hey you know what monetizes better than anything is pornography so and then there was also one where a company had a qr code that you scanned off of a promote like off the billboard except they put it on the other side of a subway track so you would have had to cross a subway track to scan the advertisement. Gillette did the horrible scan Kate Upton's brain campaign

What was that? It was just like a thought bubble coming out of Kate Upton's brain? It was a thought bubble coming out of Kate bubble, Kate Upton's Kate Upton's brain like this is her thought bubble and then it was a QR code and it says how does Kate Upton like her man's body styled read her mind that's just so freaky when you're like that's the thing the offer is like read her mind I want to read your mind like it looks like robot nightmare like yeah and like oh god okay but they have become of late super useful in the pandemic because they offer a

touchless way to transmit information uh they were first invented like fairly recently i think it was like 2007 somebody invented them no sorry 1994 it just seems it seemss. That's just my version of 2007 because inside my brain, it's still 2010. Wait, wait, 1815. Right. They're created by a worker at a Toyota subsidiary who was sick of scanning more than one barcode on car parts. So he invented a code that could hold 300 times more data using the same amount of space. And he came up with the idea while playing Go, the ancient strategy board game with black and white pieces on a square board. Did this guy get ripped off by them? Like, you know, the inventor of the chicken nugget, basically, like McDonald's was like, gave him a pat on the head and sent him on his way.

So here's the thing. He was happy to he was like i don't mind that this is that this became extremely popular and i'm not like a billionaire i'd rather this have become very popular and he said he's in 2020 he said he's really pleased that it's been used to help improve people's safety so that's the sort of like thinking that is just so anathema to like america modern american capitalism but he was just like nah you guys take it same with like the vaccines you know it was like wait why would we let everybody just have access to this thing that we invested money in right so that that's one of the reasons that it's become

this tool so quickly that we've been able to use is because somebody decided to not follow the logic of capitalism and instead let it ride, let people use it. Someone in Italy even tattooed their vaccine QR code onto their arm so that they could successfully scan it at McDonald's. Somebody printed T-shirts that had theirs on it. So it was as recently as 2012. People were like writing, are QR codes dead? But they've become popular since in 2017. Like this is what the only time I started using them.

Apple allowed their camera app to scan qr codes like that's when i was like oh i just opened my camera and i it immediately opens a web page and that's great you used to need an app for it and nobody was doing that yeah and i was like this is fucking dumb just so i could like open up like a promo sprite website like right did you get a discount on sprite though no just you're just like oh grant hill's back you miss him and i'm like no fuck bro what the fuck is this they haven't quite nailed it again because they have a bunch of different companies like creating the vaccine passports in israel the qr code on the green pass which is their vaccine passport, had no encryption,

leading to a massive black market of bogus certificates. Yeah. Yeah. I went to get a COVID test the other day, and I had to show a QR code from when I signed up for it, and it led to one of Epic's websites. Yeah. So ethical hackers have tried to test the security of vaccine QR codes in places like Quebec, where they had no encryption. They were able to create their own QR codes that spoofed the identity of several Quebec politicians, including the premier. There are two competing vaccine verification systems, and they both suck. The city's NYC COVID Safe app doesn't rely on a QR code. It's basically just an image storing app that allows you to take a picture of your vaccination card. But it's incredibly easy to spoof.

Instead of a vaccine card, you could upload everything from a photo of Mickey Mouse to a barbecue restaurant menu. They wouldn't notice. And yeah, I mean, this is where I was just like, okay, so there's also the state app, the Excelsior Pass does use a QR code, but even that was remarkably easy to hack using public information from social media. And so, yeah, I mean, QR codes are actually amazing considering that they were literally invented by a random dude who was playing a board game. But the problem isn't anything to do with technology. It's the way that people have used them. They sucked for a long time because corporations were using them as a gimmick. And now they have huge value potentially, but bureaucratic sloppiness in government and in, you know,

open markets is impeding their effectiveness. So, but there's, there's a lot there. Like what, if people who knew what they were doing, like if governments would invest in, you know, hiring some of those people who work for Facebook to work for them, if we actually invested in the public sector, we would be able to have a functioning system. What kind of margins are we looking at on that public sector? Exactly. Large margins? Large margins, yes. Tell them. That is the scariest moment maybe in movie history for when I saw it it how much it scared

me i had haunted me for years i'd have to fast forward actually it's like i hate i actually hate that part it's it feels like such a departure for the from the whole film yeah like tonally that as a kid i remember being so offended i was like this is just too intense the eyes didn't have to shoot out like that and for those who are too young to know talking about peewee's big adventure all right that that one came out in what 2011 no that's big top peewee and finally like in a related story the fake vaccine card business is just a booming we talked a few weeks ago about how bogus cards are being peddled online now the industry is absolutely thriving card prices doubled from around 100 to 200 on

average and rose from around 1 000 sellers to more than 10 000 this is in the days after biden announced all the all the private sector businesses. Yeah. So what they got, it's just just hackers making this stuff, cooking it up for people. No, it's pretty it's pretty like there's Etsy was had a lot of sellers on there. They're also like drug dealers. So somebody from New York mag like reached out to a drug dealer no no clue how this person had this drug dealer it's their drug dealer right exactly come on now come on now what the fuck you there's a website that'll connect journalists with drug dealers for stories no it's the guy who you buy indeed some of the fake cards are being provided by drug dealers. Quote, business is very, very good, said Alan, a counterfeit card purveyor who also peddles weed and coke.

Too good. I need a vacation. And then the journalist, I found him on a Facebook anti-vaccination group, and he reluctantly agreed to meet me over a frozen margarita at a kitschy Bushwick bar. No, all you did was outside my house when he was selling. I mean, can you like, what if the article had said like a pedals weed and some of the best cocaine you're going to find.

Right. Don't even, you don't have to bother to test it. I trust this. I mean, people should, I mean, uh,

I mean, let's be real. He reluctantly agreed to meet over a frozen margarita at a kitschy bar. You were at the bar. He came to drop off your eight ball and you're like, Hey, you got a second. Can I ask you something? And he's like, dude, come on. What?

I, you know, I don't like, I got to keep going. He's like, what are you, what are you doing with the anti, the vaccine cards? He's like, oh yeah, business is very, very good, man. All right. I got to go. Tell your cousin to stop calling me. And then he takes off. Val Doth flesh it off with out with details too much, I guess.

Either way. Yeah. I don't know. Next season of High Mates. FYI. I found him on Facebook anti-vaccination group. Okay. Reluctantly agreed.

Like, I was like, hey, bro, you're a Coke dealer? Wow. Random. That's so sick. Hey, how about some frozen margs? What's the name of the author? What's the journalist's name? I don't have it in front of me, but they are definitely.

I just want to look to see if they've got like coke eyes. Hey, how many ecstasies can I get off of you, man? Right. How many ecstasies, my good man? Anyways, people can just make their own though uh templates are available through sketchy websites such as the tennessee department of health in may in may the tennessee department of health just posted a blank vaccine card template on their website oh my god which i think wasn't the a woman who was caught because she misspelled the vaccine information uh she was like from someplace

completely different but i think she had a tennessee vaccine card so yeah watch out for that if someone if your friend randomly has a te Texian vaccine card or a Tennessee vaccine card, you might want to, you know, take another look. this shit when I was in high school. I found a template for a New Jersey driver's license to make all my friends eat like fake 18 year old licenses so we could buy cigarettes. And I found it because I just searched for a license template online. And I'm sure the 2021 version of Teen Miles probably saw that shit and can cook up things like that. I just don't understand that just the utter lack of consideration on how this information is going to be used and then also our very robust cardboard cards too very safe miles why didn't you just do what my friends did which was have an unscrupulous friend work at a supermarket and just steal

cartons of cigarettes oh man i don't yeah good good call actually on that i had one friend who no no one no one no one who's living there I have one friend whose families owned a bunch of liquor stores and then they could like come through with like boxes like of stolen shit. But that was that was that was the limits of my reach. You know, people are asking the question, could someone tell if a paper card wasn't issued by an official medical provider? And the associate professor of epidemiology at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg reassured us, absolutely not. Hell no. Fuck, bro. That is so fucking bad. Yeah.

What are we going to do? How do we make it? How do we make them like on par with a like, can you just add a thing to a driver's license? Yeah. You know, I mean, it's they had to get them out quick. They had to get the vaccines out quickly. But yeah, now I mean, at this point, I'm saying at this point, like we need to. Yeah. You know, I think maybe now because for the longest time, the Biden administration was like, we're not really talking about like a sort of identification regime type thing because they they knew they

didn't want to sort of rock that boat. But now that they're out here with these mandates, you'd hope that they're like, yeah, yeah, we're we're trying to make sure that it's like a thing that, you know, you can't just get buy off of eBay. Yeah, you can buy them off of eBay and and you can also buy fake vaccine cards off of amazon in canada although not in the u.s bummer but like it doesn't really matter how easy it is to like get somebody to make one for you because you can make one yourself with the tennessee thing and a fucking pen so anyways if you're a counterfeiter, like just keep making fake IDs for kids or be a fucking drug dealer.

Don't do this shit. Keep making IDs for kids. Whatever. Like that's honestly like this is way more harmful than making fake IDs. Than me smoking Dejarums under a freeway overpass. Yeah. jar rooms and under a freeway overpass yeah do you guys ever just like grasp your head in pain at just like how stupid this era is that we're living through where where like people would rather like have to go through all this counterfeiting they want to take like you know

ground up some earthworms and eat them because they think that'll cure them or whatever then just doing a normal thing like go get a vaccine it's you know it's just like another societal realignment that we're living through clearly you know because it's i i that's what i keep saying that truly you are just scratching your head all the time. Like, I don't under like, how, how did you arrive to that conclusion? Yeah. No,

but it's just like, like I would rather drink pig diarrhea than I would get a vaccine. Like that kind of thing. It, it literally gives me a headache. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's just part of,

uh, you know, shows how like our media diets and echo chambers and things like that truly can create entirely new vivid realities for people. Yeah. Although they, what they're not telling you is, you know,

pig diarrhea does cure it, but that is actually just not big pharma. Yeah. They don't want you to know it's how delicious it is. And that's big F A R M A. Thank you. Oh no. Andy, it's been a pleasure as always having you.

Where can people find you and follow you? Oh, Andy Beckerman on Twitter and Instagram and Beginnings, wherever you get your podcast from. Yeah, yeah. That's the, as you said in the beginning, the 500th episode I just put out. It's an interview podcast where i talk to creators i like either musicians or writers or actors or comedians about their childhoods and

their how those childhoods led them to create the things that they create and the 500th episode i talked to arthur matthews who's the creator of father ted and toast of london and a lot of other incredible British comedies. He's great. That's awesome. Yeah. Nice. Thank you guys for having me on. This is a delight. Is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've

been enjoying? Yes. I got two. You can tell me. No. One of them, I got two because the first one, it's you know, unless you're sick of Norm MacDonald stuff at this point. No. This resurfaced after he just passed away, and I thought it was so funny. I'm not going to even try to do his voice, but a man is a coin.

No obverse without reverse. If you like, remember Jeff Epstein as a monster destroying lives with a wicked nonchalance. But for me, I will remember him as the man who killed Jeff Epstein as a monster, destroying lives with a wicked nonchalance. But for me, I will remember him as the man who killed Jeff Epstein. Miles, where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Also, the other show for 20 day fiance with Sophia, Alexandra come by,

check out our 90 day fiance takes over there. Some tweets. I like first one is this from at Zahn underscore Z. It's a picture of that, that, that scene in the matrix where Morpheus is like, has all that shit hooked up to his head. Cause they're like trying to get all the information and like,

you know, agent Smith is talking to him and it's in this picture there's text superimposed in front of morpheus's face and says we should destroy the matrix and agent smith says yet you participate in the matrix curious man yes very intelligent you participate in it and the next one is from at dan cannon more of an informative tweet um he said happy friday everyone to kick off the weekend let's talk about secondary traumatic stress and he says you're about to see a whole lot of this especially among health care workers teachers and therapists in the wake of COVID-19. This thread basically goes on to sort of talk about this phenomenon that is experienced by like lawyers very vividly and other people who are in situations where

they are dealing with people that are like very high stakes, emotional things, and their empathy can almost burn out. And it's just a really interesting thread. I'll retweet it. You can check it out. But I just thought it was a very interesting perspective on like what the effects are on people too like as we're all sitting here in a pandemic like watching all this chaos unfold that there is an absolute like there are other forms of stress that we're experiencing that haven't necessarily been articulated clearly so really interesting tweet yeah uh. Tweet I've been enjoying. Josh Gondelman tweeted, it's always slightly jarring when a routine appointment asks for an emergency contact.

Like, how intense is this apartment tour going to get? And then I like this. Ed Haircut Hippy tweeted, there's an extraordinarily defensive style of writing where I can recognize if someone is probably active on twitter or not by how often they include weird preemptive defenses of positions no same person would ever take like and then his example is i like cheese uh asterisk to be clear i do not think vegans should be grounded to soylent i am aware as well of the harms of factory farming as well as the dangers of industrial agriculture

and then goes on and on. That is something I've totally noticed both in writing and in podcasting. You can tell when a podcaster pays attention to their comments. Anyways, what do I do now? You can find me on

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in today's episode as well as a song that, hey, we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think people are going to enjoy? I mean, this is a fun little rap track to get song that hey we think you might enjoy miles what song do we think people are gonna enjoy i mean this is a fun fun little rap track uh to get your neck snapping to get into your week it's called jailbreak the tesla featuring amine and it's from the trio injury reserve and yeah man it's just a lot of that's a great title yeah it's called jailbreak the tesla it's got energy the the drums fucking are probably blow your doors off but hey enjoy it and uh yeah just just have a good week all right well the daily

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