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Episode Date: June 29, 2022

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It's Wednesday, June 29th, 2022, which of course means, Miles... It's National Camera Day. Shout out to all the cameras out there. Shout out to everybody the cameras out there. Shout out to everybody taking cameras or taking pictures. Yes, not taking cameras. We're taking cameras. Yeah.

Go in there. Smash and grab that shit. And go further back, National Parchment Day. Wow. The thing that we print our pictures onto sometimes. Yeah. What I thought, that's what it was. But they're talking more about like cooking parchment like parchment paper or like cooking um papillote you know i wonder if national

camera day honors the cameras on our phones or if it's more for the people who like have the people like my dad who are like digital you had to know what the fuck iso you needed when you bought the film right and i'm like i don't know what the fuck iso you needed when you bought the film right and i'm like i don't know what any of that means yeah and neither did i was like can i have this disposable camera please let me go on my field trip oh man disposable cameras what a what a time well my name is jack o'brien aka thunder never happens in la man A.K.A. Thunder Never Happens in L.A., man. I always think that that shit is a trash can. Seasons, they don't come and they don't go.

But we don't get any rain, sleet, or snow. That is courtesy of Waffle House. Just making fun of us for our inability to figure out what thunder is when it happens in L.A. It's a garbage can. Someone's dragging a garbage can. That fancy hotel is called One Seasons out here. It's called Season. One Seasons.

Yeah. One season out here. It's called season. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Mr. Miles Gray. I drink three do's while recording. I drink three do's at night. I drink three do's while the world burns. It makes me feel all right. I drink three do's. It makes me me pee and three when i am bored i drink three dues before i drink three dues and then i drink three more sip mountain dew till the day he died okay uh shout out to fighter of the night man with that

had to throw my own little Sublime flavor on that. Shout out to Long Beach. Shout out Sublime. The longest of beaches. The longest. Yeah, man. You're coming. You're on my due territory, but that's all right.

There's plenty. It's a Long Beach. Plenty of room for all of us. I mean, you were slamming a Baja Blast during our NBA recording yesterday. Yeah, yeah. So I was impressed. I only taste them. I can't slam a full blast that early in the day without just fucking crashing and having an existential crisis.

Wasn't Indiana Jones in one of those movies? He needed water so bad. And he was like, ah, ah. And he got, oh no, it was in the beginning of Temple of Doom. I think the person's coming back and they need water and shit. That's how I'll drink a Mountain Dew. Right. Like, it's just like, it's giving me, you know, saving my life sometimes.

But I'm going to be off it. I got through the 12 pack. I'm not buying another one for at least two weeks. Okay. You're holding yourself. You're holding yourself. Wow. You got through the 12 pack?. I'm not buying another one for at least two weeks. Oh, okay. You're holding yourself. You're holding yourself. Wow, you got through the 12-pack? When did you buy that 12-pack?

That was quick. Why the fuck am I on trial, man? I bought that shit Thursday. All right. So, 12-pack in a weekend. That's all right. Yeah, yeah. I still have the three jewels of the Baja Blast.

The yellow, what I'm calling yellow, orange, and then blast. Traditional. Tradicional. Not good. Yellow's not good. The orange is pretty good, though. Tastes a little like pennies, but in a good way. Anyways, Miles.

Good pennies. What are we doing here talking to each other when we have an esteemed guest? Yes. A very talented podcaster, a NextUp fellow from Ana Hosnia's NextUp initiative. She was formerly a trained esthetician, but since completing the program has moved into podcasting full time, has a new show out on iHeart right now. Go listen to it. It's called Beauty Translated, which is all about celebrating the trans experience please welcome carmen lauren hello how are you guys welcome we're good i have to say as a long

time listener it was very surreal to watch that just now the whole intro no car the fact that we do the whole thing just completely dead-eyed looking off into the middle distance without moving the fact that it also looks like shit not only sounds like it really blew me away wow 10 out of 10 i loved it it was great carmen congrats it's a big day for we know whenever a podcaster has their show go out to the world, it's a big day. Congratulations on your show. Thank you so much. Just play that little harp music that delivery wards have when a baby is born. We do that at iHeart whenever a new podcast is launched into the world.

Yeah, that's what it feels like. I've been working on it since August. Yeah, it's really nice that it's finally out into the world today. So thank you. Yeah. And tell people a little bit about what they can, you know, expect from listening to the show and kind of like your background and all that. Yeah. So my background as an esthetician, I created the show thinking, you know, oh, I'm going to make a show about beauty and about like

skincare products and cosmetics and things like that. But I also really, as a transgender woman, I wanted to speak specifically to transgender guests about their experience because that's something that I've always found like as an interest, as an esthetician, I, in the South, I had to pretend to not be trans in order to survive. And so this is like the first time where I get to kind of talk about those things in a podcast where, you know, each guest, I find that they have something, you know, uniquely beautiful about them, but we don't, we're not talking about beauty.

We're actually talking about like much bigger topics and conversations that are about their lives, all of that. And your skin looks fantastic what is a step i can take as a crusty dude uh what's the first step i could take to begin to be on a path of of skin that looks like you know i got like that twilight glow well it always starts with prevention so if you're not preventing sun damage by wearing spf every day then anything you're doing afterwards is gonna be just it's not gonna have an effect so okay okay gotta wear your spf first and foremost yeah that really seems to be the big the big one it's like

this is boring but you gotta wear sunscreen or just don't go outside yeah yeah 85 to 90 percent of all your skin aging is caused by by the sun so that makes don't do it my mom like from the like since the 90s was walking was like driving with like forearm gloves and i remember my i remember my my friends being like is she like a professional driver like trying to know she's japanese and they don't fucking play with the sun. So yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So no tans, no, none of that. Tans are tanning.

Not that, but I just got a sunburn actually recently and I'm, and I know. Yeah. But I almost drowned. So it was like, Oh, I was like, I could have drowned in the ocean or I could have gotten a sunburn. So I would have taken the sunburn drowning in the ocean where life i mean but what does drowning do for your skin like that's the question you know like we have to take that into account probably not good yeah yeah i feel like the the pallor of uh the the ones you see in movies are always i've seen twin peaksaks. I know what happened.

I was thinking of Twin Peaks. And I was like, pretty beautiful dead body, but yeah, not great for the old complex, as I call it. All right, Carmen, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going to tell our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about. We're going to talk about VP Kamala Harris's appearance on CNN, first appearance since Roe was overturned.

And, yeah, just like where we're at. Tell us something, Vice President. Tell us something. Yeah, just, yeah, just, I don't know. We'll talk about it. Was it inspiring? I don't know. Maybe to others, not necessarily to me. We're going to talk about whether it's time for a third party. According to a Gallup poll in 2021, the American people think it is, but you wouldn't know that from looking at any corporate media coverage unless you read the new york times article from earlier this month where they covered a third party in new jersey that is doing the important work of creating a more moderate third party in in the state of new jersey the moderate party they'll cover that they'll give you a press for that that's what we need we'll just we'll talk about that we'll also talk about twinkies new dollar twink coin twink coin

feature twink coin is what they call it it is a twinkie with the shape of i would say a cupcake but they they seem to think it's the shape of a three-dimensional coin and it's a bad idea presumably like they they started it before bitcoin had totally imploded but it's it's a bad idea, presumably like they started it before Bitcoin had totally imploded. But it's wild. And we'll revisit Hostess's recent history of going bankrupt, blaming unions, firing everybody in the union and automating all the jobs just so you know where they're coming from on this twink coin thing. All of that, plenty more. Carmen, have you seen Top Gun? I have not, but my boyfriend just told me that his father is going to drag him to see it this weekend. So I will be seeing it through him. All right. Miles, you still haven't seen it, right?

Nah, nah. We've got it. We've had a Top Gun story at the bottom of the doc for a couple weeks now. Also RRR. Did you finish RRR, Miles? Yeah, yeah, I did. I did. Okay.

I'll watch Top Gun soon enough because I know I need to watch that. All right. So we'll get to that. But just not today because we would love to get to know you better and ask you, Carmen, what is something from your search history? So I looked at my search history just a little while ago before we got on, and I have like four different breeds of Japanese dogs in my search history right now. Okay.

And I guess to kind of explain that, morning I start out my morning by watching on YouTube these different Shiba Inu dog YouTube videos. That's like, I don't know what it is, but it started sometime during the pandemic. But there's like seven different Shiba Inus I have to check on every morning before I can start my day. So these are update videos from the Shiba Inus. It's not like you have these same videos you watch every single time. They are dispatches from four very specific Shiba Inus. Yes, exactly. They're very specific dogs and it's like specific families in japan they post like a five to ten minute video of their dogs every day and i'm just like hooked on it yeah i mean shiba they're they're they're like they're so cute looking yeah you know like their faces are cute and then like their tail

like the whole thing is like a it's hard to look at a Shiba and be like, you know, like, yeah, like one of my family friends have like had a Shiba Inu. Like when we were like kids and we were it was I always been like, I love this dog. It's like it it's like feels like a cartoon dog or something like it has this. It exists in another dimension. I feel like when you look at a Shiba Inu. But yeah. when you look at a Shiba Inu. Yeah.

And if you Google Shiba Inu, you will get a bunch of updates about crypto.com, remove Dogecoin, Shiba Inu, others from earn program, Shiba Inu price today, SHIB to USD live, market cap and chart. So we've lost our humanity. We might as well be,

we might as well be like the robots from Terminator. Like what do we do that's better than that? Right, right, right. At this point. What's the market cap? What's the market cap on Shiba Inu? Right. The dog?

No, the coin, fucker. You've been following these four dogs for over a year, it sounds like. Oh, it's like I gain a new one like every month. Like I'm like, oh, there's this other channel. So I've got like eight different Shiba Inu families I check on now. And they're all based in Japan. And it's all in Japanese, but some of them put captions up. So they'll be talking about what is happening.

But yeah, I just love checking on these dogs. And I started researching Shibu, which is like a Shiba Inu mixed with a poodle. Because the only thing that holds me back from getting a Shiba Inu is their double coat or their undercoat.

And I'm like, I'm a clothing person. Yeah. And they shed a lot. So Shibus are non-shedding but have the energy have got the hypo are they they're like hypoallergenic like a like a poodle is kind of yeah is what apparently what they claim but they're really hard to find so right right yeah but um i would love to have one you know yeah but you don't just find those running down the street you know no yeah i mean you just find those running down the street. No. Unless you know a guy.

They're like, no, I saw this one was running down the street. Here's now. Yeah. What's something you think is overrated? So I actually wrote down two overrated things, but I'm going to flip one of them into an underrated because I'm really good at that. But my overrated, I've been seeing this a lot lately, and especially now with Roe v. Wade being overturned.

But I've been seeing news articles and stuff celebrating corporations who are being like, hey, we'll help you get an abortion if you need an abortion, or we'll help you get gender affirming care if you need gender affirming care. And that, of course, you know, Starbucks and all of that has been saying, oh, we'll help you get gender affirming care or an abortion if you need it. But what all of those things are failing to mention is that they won't do that if you try to unionize, you know? And I see like other queer people other people i know like sharing these things and like celebrating these companies when i really kind of

look at it as like a manipulation tactic which totally is oh absolutely well and also just a weird dystopian world too right where even aside from them doing like well this will stave off unionizing and like collective action it's more like that we're moving towards a place where like who's your overlord and do they have gender affirming care like oh the company that i labor for gives me these rights and it's almost like wait so now like things that we're looking at as fundamental health care rights are now like perks for a job and i think like to your point that's where it also looks like. It's like a head fuck where you have to think of like,

well, you know, they work for Spotify, so they're not going to help with IVF, whereas this company does, or this place doesn't. Oh, they don't pay for asthma meds at Home Depot. Mike, Jersey Mike supports your bodily autonomy. Right.

Come on in for minimum wage. Our competitor might be named after a literal underground railroad, but we will actually take you. Could you imagine that's what Subway's like woke campaign is? Like, you know what? It's all technically an underground railroad. And they're like, no, Subway. Uh-uh. No, no.

Don't do that. But I think we're only three election cycles away from that shit. Yeah. That is the direction that it feels like the logical conclusion of this version of America is the corporate PR wins. the corporate PR like wins and like, you know, just doing things that get social media attention, like just, you know, flashbang individual acts of kindness that get everybody's attention in order to win PR points. And like, that is what people are like, well, see, like we're, it's not all bad and yeah it's it's a nightmare and not to

mention how weird it is that you would have to tell your employer that you need an abortion and hope that your employer doesn't like hold that over your head at any point in the future right you know in states that are trying to prosecute against people getting abortions. Right. Yeah. And yeah, we are, you are, I mean, plenty of examples like fucked up workplace coercion, like that dimension is like like now we own you. Yeah. All roads lead to fucked up.

Yeah. Jersey Mike's your secret safe with us. Yeah. What is something you think is underrated? That was great. that was pretty great as long as you keep making those sandwiches you know yeah yeah but yeah so something i think that is underrated and i kind of see an overlap here with people speaking on like abortion rights and stuff like that but um i think trans amorous men who are silent on trans rights. So same kind

of issue. I feel like when there's a lot of cis men who are silent on reproductive rights that benefit from reproductive rights, I feel like there are a lot of trans amorous men, meaning men who are attracted to trans women, maybe privately or secretly or whatever, but they, you know, when our rights are being taken away you know don't do anything to help us right yeah i mean yeah that's like the the dimensions of like misogyny you know like at work like even how something like someone an uncritically thinking cis man had man looks at like what the issues that are happening now and most seem to just be like well i don't know that sucks for them they're like that sucks but like for them and not completely

understanding what that relationship is to your own financial stability to your own ability to procreate to have a family when you want to or even that like you even look at the act of procreation as a thing that is has nothing to do with you right you know and i think that's yeah i think a lot of you know that's a huge thing that's missing from a lot of like cis men who like look at this and like think they're doing a good job from like saying like i support this without really like really absorbing the gravity of what this means like there are people who point to like you know how how societies that don't protect the rights of the people who can be pregnant that leads to more social disorder like that and that does that will affect everybody

doesn't matter whether or not you can get pregnant and you know i think yeah more people need to have to broaden their perspective uh a lot of these issues i mean that was one of the things i don't know if it's even going to come up in our kind of analysis of the harris cnn interview but it opens like the the first thing that vp harris says is like a minute long list of like, well, as a mother of daughters, as a daughter of a mother, as a like granddaughter, you know, and if you have sons, like it was just all an appeal around individualism and like how this affects you individually that is, you know, obviously very American. humans who don't have like who are being deprived of the right to live like to to live like full stop like that you have to be like well put try and think about like someone that you have a personal interest in and then like i i don't think that's actually the case and i think it's actually like diminishing your point when you do that. But yeah, that is very frustrating.

Or like at least normalizes the perspective. It's like, well, if you don't have this like sort of parallel experience, then I don't, then we don't expect you to get it. Right. If you do,

then, Hey, you have a parallel experience and now you need to think about that. And it's not just about that. Like truly again, it's about having the kind of empathy to know. The only thing that most people need to be doing is, would I want that shit to happen to fucking me? Regardless of if I can give birth or be pregnant, do I want somebody running my fucking shit?

Like, do I want somebody telling me when I can shit, how I can cut my hair, who I could talk to or how I dress or whatever. No. So if that's the case, then you have to fucking, you have to take shit like that. That's happening to other groups that you might not belong to in the same way to say, it's a fucking affront to me because the only way I see like a world worth living in is one where at the very least we don't limit people's ability to just fucking be who they are and do what they believe is best in their their everybody's just living in their own fucking body and you have the right to fucking steer that ship however the fuck you need to to be happy and like to start being like well you know i need you know my ancient sheets of paper say this and fuck that yeah and it shouldn't be about that. We really need to just like all across the board,

understand that if a single group of people are, is experiencing oppression or having their rights taken away, you're in the same fucking line. You might just be down the line and being sitting in the comfort that your number doesn't get called in the next five rounds or whatever, but that shit will get to you eventually. And if you're, and you're a fool to allow people at the front of the line

to get fucking trampled on, and then you have the luxury of getting your shit together fucking 30 years too late. I do have some breaking news on Twitter, though. Jersey Mike got a vasectomy, so Jersey Mike is an ally and safe to have sex with. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Well, here in Atlanta, somebody just got shot at a subway for putting too much mayo on a subway sandwich. Oh, yeah. I saw that headline. A lot of sub-controversy going on right now. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of sub-subbery happening. Sub-subbery.

Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Jess Casavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix documentary series, Dancing for the Devil, the 7M TikTok cult.

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So I didn't feel like, I don't know, it wasn't reassuring, I guess. Yeah, I think just to set the table, right, this is the first time she's making an appearance to speak officially. Right. It's like against the backdrop of AOC calling for abortion clinics. I mean, many people saying, why don't you open abortion clinics on federal land in red states? Or Elizabeth Warren saying the same thing, like you could declare a medical emergency to set up medical clinics like near national parks, near federal land, and try and at least create a place

for people to get care. So while all that's happening, this is the line of questioning and this is the response that we get from Vice President Harris. Federal land that might be in and around states that ban abortion. I think that what is most important right now is that we ensure that the restrictions that the states are trying to put up that would prohibit a woman from exercising what we still maintain is her right, that we do everything we can to empower women to not only seek but to receive the care where it is available. Is federal land one of those options? I mean, it's not right now what we are discussing,

but I will say that when I think about what is happening in terms of the states, we have to also recognize, Dana, that we are 130-odd days away from an election, which is going to include Senate races, right? Part of the issue here is that the court has acted, now Congress needs to act. But if you count the votes, don't appear to have the votes in the Senate. Well, there's an election happening in 130 odd days. I'm taking, for example, thinking of a Senate race in Georgia. Okay. So we just took a hard turn into electoral town when the question was, what can be done to help people that are in immediate need? And it was just a lot of pivoting. In fairness to Kamala, right, there are some issues with providing abortion care on federal land. That's like the Hyde

Amendment is the whole thing. The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds from being used for abortions only in the event of like rape or incest or to save the life of the mother. So that's the time the federal funds can be used. So it's thorny, right? Because immediately I'd imagine these red states would go and be like the Hyde Amendment or whatever. But, you know, when you think about it, and the Hyde Amendment has been an obstacle that a lot of activists and people who are advocating for abortion acts have been like, you have to get rid of this, because if you get rid of that, that allows for safer access, especially for poor people. That's who really benefits from federal funds being able to be used to provide this kind of care. Sadly, just to go back a year and a half or so, two years, Joe Biden was the only presidential candidate that supported keeping the Hyde Amendment. And he only pivoted when it became

politically beneficial to him. If only, right, that was something that he could have even done in the beginning of taking off, taking office, that may put more options on the table. The other thing is, I just don't understand the response from the vice president. Was she unaware of the problems that would arise with what Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were proposing? And if you were not unaware and you were aware, why not explain those issues, articulate an alternative and demonstrate to people, at least on some level, that there is some thought going into this. And I don't like, again, that she said the priority

right now is to fight the restrictions that are being put in place. Well, they are in place already. And there are people already turning away people looking for this kind of care and their lives are potentially hanging in the the balance so what like what is happening what are you telling the people right now like that need that needs some kind of alternative that's why like there where's that sense of urgency i'm and it really if just it freaks me out to hear somebody be like well you know there is an election in 130 days yeah it's straight up like it's like be a shame if type type shit like it's it's straight up feels like you're being extorted to go vote and it's not like they're

going to be very disappointed if that is their their strategy but that that does not inspire confidence to be like this time we swear we're going to do the thing that but we said we were most voters unfortunately on are on their first i swear right you know like and i and i and not to say that like don't fucking do this but it is it's a very effective tactic it's a very effective tactic i mean we talked about just the poll the swing and the polling that happened because right there it is a very effective tactic and that and it just it really fucking it freaks me out again to know that there are people right now there's there's even that woman in malta right who's like couldn't get a an abortion to save her life but had to get like flown to spain uh to to be able to do that. There are people right now who need help literally right this second in places where they cannot get it. And I don't

like that that proposition because that proposition is always put in front of politicians. There are always just like in the summer of 2020, there are people of color who are at risk of being killed by police. We need to address this right now. There are people, all these transphobic bills that are popping up in schools. We need a response right now. But it's just like, I think they don't want to also signal like independents or moderates who are undecided that like, we're not like fully on some like lib shit. And we're just going to come through with some sweeping like, we the women type shit we're not gonna go that far if that was the issue this is a overwhelmingly popular like the the the overturning of rose like wildly unpopular like that's always

been my thing is like they yes america is like a moderate country more moderate than me they're probably like do have some math behind the scenes but like this one is like a open and shut like we act now to fix the thing that will make us more popular and rather than fixing the thing becoming more popular now they are doing the we can't fix it too fast we gotta hold it out there as a thing we could do if we voted. And not that like it's easy. Like I. Right. There's probably problems with all the solutions that people are suggesting right now that would be made easier if there were more Democrats in the senate in the house but like fight we need to see you fight we need to see you have ideas that are strong and like prove that you are willing to do difficult things to to help people to yeah just like don't miss me with the voting shit. Like what in your heavily fucking gerrymandered district where they've already are the architects of your demise and are ensuring your vote doesn't count. That's that's also a problem to Democrats. If your insistence is on this mechanism of electoral politics, you haven't even fucking got.

They're not even playing on a level playing field there. And you're still like, hey, do the thing where it's terribly skewed in the opposite direction and not even address that dysfunction. It just feels like so many layers to get through, like where you just find yourself burnt out trying to think of what's going to work. Yeah. It's like they just kind of threw their hands up and were like just the messages all that they have to say is go vote but again like you know if you're like you're saying miles if you live somewhere like for example georgia where they just made it illegal for example to pass out bottles of water to people

waiting in line but not illegal for you to have to wait in line for over eight hours to cast a vote right you know like that doesn't that doesn't do anything but just continue to frustrate people you know yeah i'm frustrated and you know what and people are they reveal themselves to be resilient because despite that they'll still go and participate in this process because the message typically is your fucking life's on the line right now. And a lot of people hear that. And it sucks that we're part of this deal is dangling existential threats over people's head. But there's no how can we demand accountability back aside from them being like, oh, what

are you going to do? Let the fucking fascist bully take over and that's like such a terrible fork in the road to constantly to look at and you're like where is another fork it's not a long-term strategy for making the lives of the people who you govern better which is supposed to be your job it's yeah yeah it's how do i stay here how do i stay here how do i stay here how do I stay here? How do I stay here? How do I stay here? How do I stay here? How do I stay in this office?

There's also a part of the interview where she's like, it's one thing to know it's going to happen, but it's another to actually have it happen, which is definitely true. But that's true for me as somebody who isn't the vice president of the United States. But I would have expected there to be things in the works immediately. Like they had their trigger laws ready to go when, uh,

Roe was overturned. What about like, how did this not trigger just a whole fucking, well, you know, we just assumed we'd be able to hurricane of lawsuits and like everything. Like it just just it really feels like i i don't know who did the leak but it does feel like the leak worked really well for the

conservative side and that they did it they saw that the you know mainstream democratic party was not going to scramble to like do what was necessary to make sure that like this shit was not going to happen and was not going to kill people they gave them bodyguards right and yeah and so they were like all right well i guess we can go with the strongest version of this possible and the people who are like the head of the executive branch would be like, oh man, I didn't really think they were going to do it. What the heck?

That's come on. Yeah. For real. For real. Steady leadership. They've done everything they said they were going to do. Yeah. Mm hmm.

Yeah. Right. And, and, and who's the, and now what they're going to say is, you know what happens if the senate they get a majority they're gonna nuke the filibuster and go for a total a national ban on

abortion right yeah wow almost like like yeah y'all should have done that first and what the fuck were you doing you were you guys were circle jerking around the fucking ancient racist tradition of the filibuster i'm like oh we can't i mean it's just it would just be so out of norms to guarantee people voting rights but remember we used to be able to get lunch together yeah and guess what they don't give a fuck and like stop acting like wake the fuck up anyway so a lot's on the plate a lot's on the plate yeah a lot's on the plate this makes me wonder like what's happening with i don't know i like it just keeps coming up to like in my mind over and over over the past year okay so what about a third

party and i hear mostly from i hear both sides, like both sides of the Democratic Party, both like the, you know, left and, you know, the mainstream, like that it's not feasible. But I really feel like just this past experience of watching the New York Times, like report the opposite results of the LA election the LA Democratic primary like that so much of the issue is that like the the media the mainstream media would is like in the pocket of the mainstream Democratic Party I'm like that just deprives any sort of movement of oxygen. But I also feel like there is a, an amount of energy for a third party that is like to the left of the democratic party,

like that would shock people. And that would, you know, we saw it with the Sanders campaign. We saw it with the black lives matter movement. We've seen it. There's these movements. There's this energy. And then the media just is like, okay, okay. Let's go back to being realistic. Well, it's always to funnel that energy into the Democratic Party. Right. It's always to say, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're doing that. We're doing that. So, yeah, yeah. Like right over here. Right over here. Right over here. Sanitize it here got him again got him again and again in 2021 62 percent of americans said a third party is needed versus 33 percent saying democrats versus republicans whoever wins we all lose is an adequate solution and that's so again, it's like a majority want third party and not have a solution on the left that is going to be there for if if the democrats choose for their solution to be like hey you know

we're the only other option so you know that like that is what they're hoping is going to happen i'm assuming that's why these gallup poll results were even allowed to be, like, published was because it's so strongly pushed by extremist Republicans and, like, the mainstream Democratic Party would benefit if the Republicans, like, broke terms of like the direction the energy is flowing in this country the direction that like things events are moving the democratic party is dying and like there there's no future there like there's not a future there with this current strategy of just being the alternative that is the young it's the younger members that are are the closest ones to articulating things that like resonate with people right like yeah like which is the difference which is like yes it's bad that's all we want yeah i just want to hear some don't fucking don't blow smoke in my direction with this, we're the best nation and we're full of hope. Just say, man, we're really far off from taking care of people properly here. We're really, really far off. Yeah.

And that's a failure to not be able to take care of people in this country when we have so much money. Yeah. And that's what I think people need to start hearing criticisms of the Democratic Party as. Not like, fuck Nancy Pelosi. Yeah, there's anger there towards a lot of the leadership. But the anger comes from a place where people say we deserve fucking better. Not I hate I hate equality or I hate these concepts and I hate anything that's moving towards that. People who are critical are saying, this shit does not move quickly enough. And because of the luxury of, again, like people on the margins getting chewed up first, it's easier to sort of repeat this pattern. It's, yeah, I don't know.

It's all about just knowing that there is a bare minimum that we deserve and we all feel like we deserve and we're not getting it and there's just going to be somebody who can right now we're at a place where everyone's feeling a very similar thing and the only like you're like we've always said and jack you talk about this only the only a lot which is the people giving some alternative is hey hey, you like fascism? Yeah, that's the only defined alternative right now. There's Democrat and Republican politics, and people are like, ah! And then you have fascists who are like,

what if we fucking ran the board? And now, I mean, to their credit, the Republican Party, I think, just became that third party out of nowhere that Democrats already don't know how to deal with. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I don't know i i also hear from the left a lot of people being like it'll never happen at a federal level look at the sanders campaign and the sanders campaign just proved that there's like a like to

me it just proved there is a shitload of energy the mainstream media will not cover it but like now we know that you know now we know it's a slanted playing field and like let's find the next sanders and launch another national campaign i don't know i also don't know what the fuck i'm talking about like i'm not i'm not an expert in this but like we have aoc we have like all these you know younger politicians who like like we just got to keep trying because the like there is the energy is there the ideas are the right ideas like the ideas that people actually want in this country but I like I just feel like a like we've kind of crept into this idea that like well but it's a it's a non-starter and it's actually much more popular it's just that you won't be able to read about it in any corporate media unless you're talking of course about the moderate third party in new jersey

which is focused on changing the law in New Jersey. Basically, they just endorse candidates who are in the center from Republican and Democratic parties. It's called like fusion voting or something. So they don't even like launch an actual candidate. What they do is they endorse Democrats and Republicans. That was worthy of like thousands of words from the New York Times. Is that what they're doing? Are they splitting votes for progressives? Right. That basically. And using this fucking, you know, specter of moderate.

Well, five days after publishing the article about the New Jersey moderate party, they published the one about how Caruso's success was the result of a backlash against progressive politics. Turns out Caruso was notably not successful in his Democratic primary run and that there were a bunch of like DSA candidates, like third party candidates that would have been a much more compelling story to write about that they have aggressively ignored since that time. So, yeah, the corporate media is like the enemy. Like it is the biggest enemy, I think, right now to progress.

But we just need to recognize that and move forward with that in mind. I'm just going to say moderate politics pissed me off so much. It's like you don't stand for really anything it's like i'm almost less pissed off by people that are so far right you know it's like at least you are you know passionate about something some energy there right even if it is my death right exactly wow this these moderates are like oh just please just not around me just like to go back to my the comfort of my life but i mean like to the point about the media i mean like the way it functions it's

it's like it's like watching a foreign language film and you need subtitles to understand what's going on but if the sub like if you don't know the language being spoken and the subtitles are skewed you don't you might not really know what the fucking movie is about. You're like, well, the pictures look that way. And it seems based on the dialogue they're writing that this could be what is being communicated. But if that's not accurately reflecting what's happening, people aren't going to understand what the fuck is up. a hard bit is about people really getting to a point to like understand that there's so much more that has to be done aside from this like simple idea that it's just about getting out in November. All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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It's almost like a metaphor for the industry and Atari itself in a way. Listen to The Legend of Sword Quest on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. and we're back and it is of course time to talk about twink coin baby a line of coin shaped and i'm putting that in quotes because i don't necessarily agree uh twinkies that were clearly pitched before crypto completely imploded are just hitting the market it's it's dollar sign twink twink all in caps and then coin all lowercase they didn't know that there was a a word twink in you know the gay community and apparently or did they or did or possibly they did i think some people are speculating like oh maybe this is their attempt to go viral.

But this is a real thing. This isn't like a fucking weird viral bit. No, no, no, no, no. So like, yeah, there's with more than 12,000 cryptocurrencies from which to choose. TwinkCoin is the best investment to satisfy your snacking needs founded in 2022 twink coin was baked to create an opulent snack and golden treasure for any occasion the brand says so it's yeah the like people people are definitely asking that question of like for real is it a twinkie just in a in a hockey shape? Yeah, it's a Twinkie hockey puck shape. And they call it TwinkCoin because they're so out of touch that they don't know anything about what's happening in June that they want to announce this.

They don't know anything about finance because they're... I'm sorry, man. Every single thing that's pulling up on this Web3 shit right now is the saddest shit to me. Like, the jig is up motherfuckers the jig is fucking up and you're really still out here trying to normalize this shit like what happened in this hostess boardroom where someone was like yeah man if we can just get in on the normalizing of crypto fucking train like other companies that'll really help our collective stock portfolio i don't know what the fuck they're thinking. So I generally have a hard time like feeling joy at other people's misery.

But like the all the Web three like late to the game people right now are I can feel I've given myself permission to fully just revel in in their misery and how stupid they look right now this is this is wonderful like i'm so confused by the photo so did they also release a line like that you can purchase in the store of like twink coin pastries or is it this is a cryptocurrency no no it's a pastry okay just with a crypto name i know that's what's so fucking confusing because they're using like the dollar sign and shit okay okay okay so this is not a cryptocurrency this is okay i'm so i was like is this twinkies crypto.com my guess right if i if i had to guess i think they were planning to launch a cryptocurrency with along with this. And then every,

the whole industry shit the bed and they were like, psych, it's, we already printed the boxes. Oh, wow. Wow. Well,

that's a pivot. That's a fun pivot. So I, did y'all remember that like Twink supposedly, like, extinct about 10 years ago? Right. So, in 2012, I remember seeing this news story. Hostess declared bankruptcy and were like, the death of Twinkies. You'll never be able to have a Twinkie again.

Go out and buy Twinkies because, like because they will be in a museum one day. And also when they're in a museum like 100 years from now, you will still be able to eat them because they're unholy combinations of chemicals that the CIA doesn't even know exists that will keep them fresh and spongy up until the earth burns to a crisp the we will all be floating through space as dust and twinkies will be wholly intact right next to us but anyways they they they framed it as a um worker strike was killing twinkies and you'll never guess uh which side the corporate media took in this one. The workers! I'll read a direct quote from the LA Times. When will employers and workers stop acting like adversaries and learn that they are on the same side? CNN straight up claimed that these striking workers were killing your Twinkies. Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies. MSNBC claimed that the death of Twinkies would reflect so badly on the workers that it would

kill the union movement. Have Twinkies killed the union movement? That is a headline from Mark Koba at CNBC. And so the Hostess executives, meanwhile, at that time, were shockingly just evil pieces of shit. While all this was going on, the CEO tripled his salary from $750,000 a year to $2.5 million a year. also able to afford bonuses for themselves, the executive team, by stealing money from their employees' pensions, which apparently isn't technically illegal in the United States, which is not surprising. My favorite phrase in this country. Yeah. Not technically illegal. From an article at the time just last month, a judge agreed to let Hostess executives suck another $1.8 million out of the bankrupt company to pay bonuses to CEOs. So judges are judges like that. That's a

whenever you hear about a judge doing something, it's almost always going to be on the to the benefit of a corporation or somebody that the judge golfs with. So the other story that I don't, I think I probably saw as a follow-up, the company was quote rescued in 2013. And it was announced that the Twinkie would come back to life, not unlike Jesus Christ. There's a headline from money.cnn.com, start the countdown, Twinkies return to shelves July 15th. It's a miracle. The way that happened is so they declared bankruptcy. Another big, massive food conglomerate bought the assets. So they didn't buy the company. They bought the assets. And since it was technically not the same company, they weren't beholden to union agreements. And so they fired 95% of the workforce, hired a bunch of non-union employees and automated the rest. And that's how we have Twinkies today. And so it's not shocking that they then jumped on an opportunity to align their brand with a Ponzi scheme.

But truly, fuck Hostess then and fuck Hostess now. Also, the media push, right? Like the second it starts, the way they frame it is greedy fucking workers might kill your beloved Twinkies. Right. Like that was the thing they were trying to marry, like that sentiment to to busting a union or busting striking workers up. So not much has changed in 10 years. No, not at all. If you look at this now, could you imagine if striking workers might kill the Frappuccino?

You'd be like, what the fuck? What are you talking about? We'll help you get gender-affirming care only within 100 miles of where you live though if you win our lucky starbucks employee lottery right yeah use your bucks points to for multiple entries to the raffle how do you get bucks points by never missing work yeah so it's it's bad at the same time the, I do feel like at the time this was happening, I did not see the union angle. I probably just wasn't reading deeply enough, but I do think that there is a shift happening in the country where people are more likely to understand just how vile all this shit is, how vile the current system is. That, you know, it's like the Occupy Wall Street movement has like just very slowly trickled down to the rest of the country and people are kind of figuring it out. But yeah hopefully hopefully somebody jumps jumps on all that energy that is not a nazi and offers a themed twinkie for uh for all of us to kind of get around get behind because that's

what it's going to take i think well carmen truly a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist where can people find you follow you hear you all that good stuff um my instagram i have one for myself is where in the world is underscore carmen the instagram for the pod is beauty translated pod and you can listen to beauty translated starting today on all of your podcast networks hey and is there is there... Not networks, apps. Apps. Yeah, we know. That's fine. They got it.

Yeah. And is there a tweet or some other work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, so this one is one from Chris Mosier. And I actually don't have Twitter. So this is from Instagram.

But it's from Chris Mosier. And he posted this at the beginning of Pride Month. And he posted basically a stat that said, for every $100 donated to an LGBT organization, only about a penny of that goes towards an LGBT, or I'm sorry, some trans-led organizations if I could especially one here in Atlanta called the Trans Housing Coalition THC you can donate to them and that will go directly to helping to house trans people

of color here in Atlanta and other rural areas so please help us out Miles where can people find you with the tweet you've been enjoying Twitter, Instagram at miles of gray obviously check out mad boosties Miles, where can people find you with the tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Grey. Obviously, check out Mad Boosties. Check out 420 Day Fiance.

Those are the basketball and 90 Day Fiance podcast, respectively. And no tweets. Just please go to choice.crd.co. Go to donations, the number four, abortion, donationsforabortion.com. Just get involved especially man cis head dudes you like need to pull up you need to talk to other people this is not a fucking joke and there's only so long that you know we can exist in our like male privilege until you're like wait oh shit man shit's looking bad yeah so please, please lend your voice or your dollars or your time.

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This is a track called I Got It. And if you like, you know, like Erykah Badu, you like Jill Scott, you like something a little soothing and soulful, this is a fantastic track. So this is Foggy OGI with I Got It. All right. Well, you can go check that out in the footnotes.

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