The Daily Zeitgeist - Hollywood’ing While Black, Mask Off/On? 6.22.20

Episode Date: June 22, 2020

In episode 656, Miles and guest host Scam Goddess Laci Mosley are joined comedian Mamoudou N'Diaye to discuss AMC's flip-flopping mask policy, navigating Hollywood while Black, junk food making a come back, and more!FOOTNOTES: AMC Won’t Require Masks, CEO Says, Fearing ‘Political Controversy’ AMC Will Now Require Face Masks, Reversing Policy After Mass Outrage Navigating Hollywood’s Creative Police State Has Pandemic Snacking Lured Us Back to Big Food and Bad Habits? WATCH: Fela Kuti - Mister Follow Follow Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And welcome to Season 139, Episode 1 of the Daily Zeitgeist, a production of iHeartRadio. This is the podcast where we kick off America's old rotten skull and be like, what the fuck? Okay. Is everybody seeing this? Everyone? Okay. Okay. So everyone?

Okay. We can talk about this? Great. And we say officially off the top, fuck the Coke Brothers. Fuck Fox Okay. Is everybody seeing this? Everyone? Okay. Okay. So everyone. Okay. Can we, we can talk about this? Great. And we say officially off the top, fuck the Koch brothers. Fuck Fox News. Fuck Rush Limbaugh. Fuck Buck Sess. Fuck Buck.

Fuck Buck Sexton. Got tongue tied on that one. Fuck JK Rowling. Fuck any motherfucker standing in the way of equality and inclusion. Okay. It's Monday, June 22nd, 2020. My name is Miles Gray, a.k.a. Boom, boom, boom.

Boom, boom, boom. Allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is Cole. Into the 19. Okay, that's in reference to probably the second wave of infections that could be happening. And that was, I think, a meme I saw on the internet. Because, man, people are really reckless out here without these masks and i can only imagine uh what could happen down the road um but enough about me i am

thrilled to be joined by my co-host from heaven from on high from the land of scams it's the scam goddess herself just the fucking genius lacey mosley yes what's up it's your girl scam goddess aka I may have got jacked but at least I'm alive scam on me me me scam on me me me scam on me beautiful who gave you that one? Was that from you? I wrote that one too, real quick. You are just a visionary. You're not out here. I know these vocals are trash, y'all,

but I don't be warming up. Don't be humble. People heard the kiss from a rose one. I'm pretty sure it already went gold and it's number 15 on the iTunes charts. Yeah, Seal is suing me. So the scam worked out great. He is suing me. Well, scam worked out great. He is suing me.

Well, Lacey, we are very honored, thrilled to be joined by somebody I have really fucked with on the Internet and Twitter for a long time now. And it's just super dope to have this man on the show now. The brilliant, talented, hilarious comedian, writer, activist, whatever you want to call him because he's everything welcome mama doing jai hey thank you so much for having me thank you for coming am i supposed to sing you got some if you have if you want i don't have a i don't have a song i just want to say that like the top three songs of the summer gotta be the hip-hop hairy beat that's that i'm gonna be playing that at a party on juneteenth. Go, go, go, go. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. I'm absolutely going to be playing that. Second one, You About to Lose Your Job.

Yep. That lady, shout out to you. Gave us a classic, a banger. And then finally, my favorite song of this whole protest cycle is NYPD, Suck My Dick. Love it. Every single permutation of it. And yo, definitely, I'm sorry, Lacey, but it's like right under yours. You better make sure that you be pushing yours to the top of that billboard chart.

I also already sucked my dick. I want Scam on Me by Lady Gaga. Yeah. When people bring up a lot of these songs from the protests, I always have to mention that one, the Detroit techno one with the man on the bombed out car. No justice, no peace. Fuck these racist ass police. That one is a fucking banger certified it's always funny to be at protests and see cops starting to like dance a little bit to like what we're

yelling at them right this shit kind of goes it's about us we fucking like whose streets our streets okay if y'all say so just didn't fuck these racist ass Wait, wait, that's okay Facts though Low key facts Whose streets? Our streets? This will be wrong though sometimes Cause sometimes some white people be like Whose streets? Our streets?

I'm like, yours nigga Like what? We're your best time bro These streets are definitely not your streets These specific streets are not yours No, definitely not yours That street says Malcolm X Your streets?

Absolutely. Our streets. I'm on the intersection of MLK and Crenshaw. These are our streets. These are our streets. Whose side are you on? Mamadou, before we get to know you and let our listeners get to know you, we'll just kind of walk through what we're going to talk about in this episode.

You know, I think this is a great time to talk about, you know, Mamadou wrote a brilliant piece in Vulture that I really encourage many people to read about navigating Hollywood and the policing of black voices in the industry. So I think we'll get a little bit of talk from especially you and Lacey, because, you know, you guys know how to Hollywood while black

and kind of get some takes on that, as well as talk about AMC going mask off, then mask on, or mask off again, depending on if the mask is literal or metaphorical. But we'll get into that. As well as conservatives are like, they're acting like they're canceling Jimmy Kimmel. There's a lot of weaponizing of the moment I'm seeing from

really bad faith actors especially on the right who suddenly forget what their entire platform is built on so we'll talk about that and maybe the re-emergence of junk food in the pandemic because we are just trying to comfort ourselves but first Mamadou

what's something from your search history that is revealing about who you are? I tried to search if there's any trap remixes of the hip-hop Harry beat. Okay. I'm DJing a party later, and I'm just like, bro, I need people to be out here moving their goddamn feet to this beat. Because at first, when I heard the song, I was like, oh, man, this is so annoying. It's probably going to be a meme for this whole summer. But now whenever I hear it, there's a joy in me, and i kind of need to hear yeah fuck these niggas up

go go go go i just need that you know oh that sounds so good before like with tay keith oh my god who's next yo i'm trying to mix it i dj too so like i'm trying to mix it with um uproar by lil wayne right now okay because there's the five four three two that part like and try and mix it with the goes and wow i'm gonna say once i once i get my recording set up figured out that shit that shit about to go up wait so you're djing what like a zoom party are you like gonna blast speakers out into like a block party what's the the setup i'm going to a Juneteenth party in Williamsburg. And it's basically

just a celebration of Juneteenth. Like a block party? It's going to be a rooftop party, actually. Oh, cool. Yeah, so I'm just going to be on the roof and there is like, yo, play stuff that gets people hype. I'm just like, fam,

I've not thought about DJing a party in three months. And now I got to get up there and make these people hype. I'm going to do my damnedest. And I think that's going to be the first song. Okay. Wait a minute got to get up there and make these people hype. I'm going to do my damnedest. And I think that's going to be the first song. Okay.

Wait a minute. Is everyone going to be in masks? Is there going to be social distancing? Are Negroes going to be grinding on each other? Nah, nah, nah. I'm going to turn that shit off.

The moment I'm like, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Leave enough space for the board. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Right. You got to play like middle school dance songs.

Yeah, you do. You have no slow grinds going on remember grind with me pretty ricky oh my god we're like i guess we have to do what the song says yeah what is there a kids bop version of that because i don't think there could be like you like what is that shit gonna say right of next too close? A kid's bop version of that one? Yeah. I mean, there's so many. I'm so excited. Oh, God.

You're making it fun for me. You're making it fill with blood. No. That was gross. So gross. I mean, that's like a scientific version. What's the one that you do with uh sex with me so amazing by rihanna oh no that wasn't me that was a meme i was laughing so hard what was it um it's like

i'll tell you something oh uh no it's like it's like oh it's like is it ice cream yeah people are out here trying to watch us figure out a meme in real time. Yeah, right. That's what most podcasts are, though. Yeah, right? I'm going to put it on my Instagram story. I'll find it. It's like, it's something raisins so amazing. It's like oatmeal with something and raisins. I think it's like ice cream meat.

So ice cream with something, raisins. Anyway, it's very funny. It's insane. Yo, the Kidz Bop Industrial Complex has gone on for too long and i will have right of it like i do have to listen to the songs as a as a former dj used to get on the ones and twos himself oh what's your setup mama do you on serato uh you are you lugging around milk crates with the heavy vinyl what are we talking here cdjs no no i don't have the cardio or the back strength for the for the violence but i have i have a i have a newmark ns7 2 that has two jog wheels that are motorized and i run and i run serato to have a four deck capability but i don't run two mostly and i i'm the type of person to be

playing uh you know i'll play abba and right into montel jordan i'm that i'm that type there you go so yeah that's the best kind when you just like i everything will be good music there's no like real aesthetic aside from everything is good everything is fun and i just like to surprise people like i played the avengers theme at a party once and everybody got really mad at me and then i mixed it i mixed it with asap ferg and and then it changed. Everything changed up. Which ASAP Ferg song? It looked like I invented music.

Work. Oh, okay. Work remix. Yeah, that beat. Woo, boy. It changed the whole vibe up. I'll put a snippet of it. I put a snippet of it on Twitter once, but I deleted it because I was embarrassed. I was like, this is not who I am.

Mamadou, what is something you think is underrated? Something I think is underrated something i think is underrated i have to say the 1996 original motion picture space jam oh wow okay yeah i think i think it's underrated as a movie because i think that people always are like yo michael jordan can't act i'm like yeah but like michael jordan can't act but he also had to act against like random green things running around like it wasn't even actual people you you know? Like, and I think that, you know, there wasn't that much in the Jordan doc about Space Jam at all. But, like, I don't want to pay attention. There was, like, that good eight-minute chunk. Yeah, exactly.

Where it was like, oh, cool, they built that court. And, again, it was mostly about how he was using that time for his career when I would have settled for a full-on Space Jam, like, featurette behind the scenes. A hundred percent. I would love to have seen clips behind the scenes of that also like as an actor acting with there not being stuff there like is so hard so for you to have limited acting experience and then they're like now this thing is next to you and it's fly like that's a lot he's literally looking at nothing look at this tennis ball and cry yeah like yeah exactly and people are out here playing like wild wild wild zone defense on him and he's out here pretending like no you're pretending that like no one is on him and i think and it's the same shit with like star wars like the prequel movies like there's definitely like a renaissance of them now but like they're pretty bad but i feel bad there's like grown-ass people acting against nothing not talking like there's shakespearean

actors who went to like you know royal shakespeare academy that know how to do that stuff they're like it's just a stage but then there's like hayden christensen who's like i gotta talk to jar jar who is this nigga right like i i i felt so bad so i mean it ruined jake lloyd's entire career basically fam you, yo, listen. I mean, we talk, like, imagine, like, that was analog Twitter. You know, it was before Twitter. It was back when you needed to write a letter and say, kill yourself to someone. Like, that was back then.

That was mail-in and tweets, yeah. Exactly. Niggas used to be like, oh, 140. Right. Eh. Eh. Send that out. You pull up to their premiere because you're like, I know he's going to be'll get i'll wait with all the fans like mary get the fuck out of here

and he's nine years old and everyone was like this is justified and i'm like what are you i never want to be so bad that somebody will use their gas money to pull up to to heckle me i never want to be so bad that people are like nope i'm taking a day off work kids right play order pizza i gotta go tell lacy how bad she is in this movie in person i can't imagine ever doing anything so bad that like in like in hollywood in a movie where people gotta pull up to me at like tj maxx and be like yeah you better be in the clearance aisle they didn't pay you anything at all like that's right mad rude so yeah and like shout out to star wars fandom not anything at all. That shit is mad rude. So yeah. And shout out to Star Wars fandom. Not racist at all.

Some of the best people I know. Yeah. It's like such a mixed bag over there. Exactly. Yeah, they seem to be pretty nice. Yeah. What about this, Mamadou? What do you think is something that is overrated?

Something that's overrated. Wow. I'm about to make it kind of hot. I don't know how you guys think about this. It's what we love. It's cold in here. You could turn it up a little bit. I know it's Juneteenth. This is going to catch me some flack.

I think chocolate is overrated. Oh, the silence? Is that what we're going to do? Are we just going to be immature like that? I think chocolate is overrated. Just chocolate. Okay, look. Present your case my honor yeah thank you gladly i just don't think it's as popping as people make it out to be and that and i'm not saying that i think that like there's definitely chocolate industrial complex in there too like holidays and stuff yeah fuck big chocolate right there's other

stuff that's also good and i think that's great because you're looking at a chocolate woman right now. I am. So I'm overrated? Wow. That's the thing. I'm not saying that you're not a sweet person. I'm just saying that chocolate has been treated as the sweetest thing in the world for too long. I think it's cool.

Because it arguably is. I'm flummoxed. And it arguably is that's the thing and also to your point is arguably isn't so it's i don't think it's as popping as it should be and for me personally and again he asked me i just want to be clear i just said what i thought 100 i just know you can have that opinion i mean it's just like just like how Donald Trump stares directly into the sun and tries to fight it, you know, during an eclipse. Like, you can fight anything. So if you want to fight the sun, you can fight the sun, you know?

The wildest part is that I feel like you want me to go to, like, the candy aisle after Valentine's Day and just stare down chocolate now. Because I will. I'll be like, I dare you to be 50% off. That's not how I am. Just fucking knock all the Russell Stover's boxes off the shelf and see if you're like, fuck out of here. Yeah, fuck Thoreau or Rochelle. Who the fuck is that?

Russell Stover's needs to just go ahead and keep it to Virgil's and just tell us why. Tell us that they are the last minute chocolate for your side girls and for when you forgot about your wife. Have any of you had to explain the Virgil's thing to anybody? They're like, why are people saying like a Virgil, two Virgils? You know, like we've been in bondage for about what, eight Virgils? People are like, what? It's really funny.

I'm like, whoa, is that like, I'm like, okay, so Virgil Abloh only gave 50. Never mind. You know, it's a funny when like whoa is that like i'm what's i'm like okay so virgil abloh only gave 50 never mind you know right yeah it's a whole story like you know it might not be for you you know but honestly i like it right because i'm like finally we're getting like some of our own language back that feels like it can't be sold and bought by white folks for money because they love to take like remember fleek they destroyed that in a week uh remember for shizzle i'm still mad about for shizzle we had for shizzle for less than 48 hours before they were like for shizzle my nizzle and i was like well there it goes snoop pack it up so i'm glad that we keep that and hotep jokes because they don't get a hotep jokes right so we were like what's a hotep yeah it's dr umar and why should i know what is a yakubian

i will say though the funniest shit to me in the world is what is seeing a kufi on a white person that's like what when nancy pelosi and all that were taking a knee with the kente club i'm like bro this ain't even right like there's nothing you thought you did it but you did it it was the first time i had gone to ghana in west af I had met this Canadian man who married a local woman and basically became an elder, like a chief of his area. So he had the designation of Nana. So he was called Nana Dave. Stop. And he was like this.

Yes. Dave? Nana Dave? He had this Ghanaian wife. They are full out Kente, like, you know, because that's a very Ghanaian thing. Like, they're a Kente club. And I saw this. I was like, are you?

I'm like, this Canadian? Okay. I mean, he's out here. He's, like, building a hotel and, like, trying to do something, like, and live in the community. But it was, like, very jarring when you see, like, white people were like, oh, yeah, like, I had to get out of there. And I had to just come to Africa. I'd be sick, bro. Listen, I'm West African.

If I went back to West Africa and some dude named Spencer was running my town, I'd beat the shit out of him. Yeah had to just come to Africa. I'd be sick, bro. Listen, I'm West African. If I went back to West Africa and some dude named Spencer was running my town, I'd beat the shit out of him. I couldn't believe it. I was like, and people... What do you mean, NaNa Chad? This is NaNa Chad. He runs our village. That's NaNa Bryce.

That's NaNa Taylor. That's NaNa Lakin. And that's NaNa Karen. And that's NaNa Kay How did they get away? And that's Nana Kaylee Hay. I couldn't do it. Literally, I think that's the one thing about Africa is that people don't realize that some people are like, yo, I can't do this America shit. And they're black and they go there.

And there's some people who are white, like, can't do this America shit. Where things are set up for you to be the most successful, either honestly or not. And you go to Africa and then you somehow find yourself running shit that's white supremacy right right right exactly full circle like still on that savior behavior where you're like what i've provided jobs yeah save your behavior gotta let it go baby yeah uh dave i'm not dave i can't i'm not joking i gotta find this photo it was like like a JCPenney mall portrait of distinct... You know how these portraits look normally

of a village elder or something? It's very stoic and posed. And just to see this dude who was sunburnt to shit with his wife, but very like, we're out here. It's a surreal photo. It's also like wild O's that wild Olan Mills,

like kind of blue, kind of little textured background. He's got two African person and not the opposite African person. And they're just standing there. Oh God, it's triggering. And finally, Mamadou, what is a myth? What is something people think is true that you know is false? Or what is something people think is false that you know is false? Or what is something people think is false that you know is actually true? I think the thing that I think is false that a lot of people assume is true is that Dasani is water.

I, in my DNA, do not believe. I have no idea where this is coming from. That's the crazy part. Why are all your underovers and myths and stuff like shots at me? It wasn't a shot. He didn't even talk about that pepperoni pineapple jalapeno pizza you were eating before we started recording. I let it rock. I talked to my God.

And I was like, yeah. Y'all need to get your taste buds up, okay? Because my taste buds are on mansion status my taste buds definitely don't pay taxes my taste buds are on that billionaire shit and y'all need to like my taste buds got a ppp loan it's also and they definitely shouldn't have yeah it's brave of you in an anti-capitalist world to be like I got billionaire taste buds they come they say the guilty straight for your tongue it going to be a pack up for you. I'm just saying,

I think Dasani is lying about being water. I think it's imitation water. I can't- And it's not about you. I'm just saying it's bad. No, I hate Dasani. I'm not kidding. It's all a reference.

Okay, so for full disclosure or full transparency, prior to this, Lacey was eating a slice. I said, what are you eating? Because I was hungry and she was having a slice of pepperoni,

pineapple, jalapeno pizza. As well as, do you want to run down the story of why you were current as i look at you right now on this zoom call you were drinking from a dasani bottle is it tap water in the dasani bottle oh you're doing that fancy thing where you fill up a fiji bottle with tap water it's dasani and it tastes like oppression and honestly how did you get that you didn't buy that did you no so you know how Coke owns Dasani. And we keep telling Coke, like, y'all, we don't want to drink this dirt water. Minerals is dirt. You're not tricking us.

Please stop with the dirt water. They're like, we don't care. We're going to keep giving you dirt water because we're packed up with Coke industries. So you know what? Every time you buy Coca-Cola, you're getting a Dasani. So I ordered from the pizza place. And unfortunately, they're sponsored or they're partnered with Coca-Cola, you get a Dasani. So I ordered from the pizza place and unfortunately, they're sponsored

or they're partnered with Coca-Cola so they only give you dirt water. And I ordered a couple dirt waters and now I got to drink them. Do you like Aquafina better than Dasani? Absolutely anything over Dasani. I might chance it on some Hollywood street water. That's just Pepsi's version of,

you know, like repurified water. So, you know, I don't know. It's not great either, but I like it better. I'm like a smart water girl. I love a Voss. Of course you do.

What's your billionaire taste buds? Smart water. Get that ionized. Ioni. Get those electrolytes. Alkaline. Alkaline water. I don't even know what the alkalines are, but whatever.

Put it in my veins. I live in LA. Don't give a fuck. It sounds different than water. Water. So I'll take it. They're like, it's charged. I'm like, great.

I'm going to be charged up. Sounds good. I just fundamentally don't believe that when I'm drinking water, it needs to convince me it's water while I'm drinking it. And that's how I feel about Dasani. I'm like, it's like when you open the bottle, it goes, I'm water, I swear. And then you drink it and it's not. And it like hisses, like as if it were like, it was pressurized.

Right, it's like, what's that? This is what water sounds like, right? I mean, sure, there could be some. The sound of water. Something had to get in the studio? They're like the Calm app on the Calm app commercial. It's like, take 15 seconds. And it's like rain

it's funny what like you dasani has its own rep like even as a memed bottle of water like i remember some of the first memes we were seeing out of people going on runs to supermarkets during the pandemic it was everybody took everything except the dasani like even people knew it's like well don't i just might as well as a drink from the tap uh but at that point people are still like it's still there i don't know it must be just cheap as fuck for them to make water should not be heavy it should not be thick also water should not be sold to people in general. I think that's actually crazy. Let's actually go back a step and be like,

nobody should be bottling fucking water and selling it because we're literally, we're just sucking the fucking life out of different places on earth and be like, here you go, man. Don't, don't worry about the fucking, the crop failure over there.

You've got water over here now. I haven't bought air in Vegas. So, but that's, that might be what it is. Maybe Dasani is actually woke because it's not even water. Oh, right. Everyone else is terrible.

And Dasani, which is poison, is actually just bottled poison. See, we're ethical because we take reclaimed sewage water and squeeze all the shit out of it until it grows clear and bottled. Purified dookie water. Mama do question then yeah dasani water or a sip from that puddle in front of the hot dog stand on broadway on broadway i would i would drink that twice before dasani and also that random drop of water in new york that falls down out of nowhere. Yeah, out of nowhere. Gallons, gallons, gallons. You put me in a Gatorade commercial for that shit. Yeah.

100%. Honestly, last time I was in New York in the summer, I was standing on a corner in Chinatown, did not realize there was a big-ass puddle in front of me, and a truck just fucking flashed me. And I got curb water in my mouth. Like a hot New York curb water in my mouth like a hot new york curb water in my mouth oh i will still take that over dasani i was like you know it wasn't that bad

you can taste the culture like oh yeah yeah like well at least i know it's asphalt like i'm seeing that yeah great and whatever random garbage water uh all right it's like It's like that meme of Pam from The Office where she can't tell the difference. It's just Dasani and puddle water. You're like, I don't know the difference. I guess, yeah. All right, we're going to take a quick break

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disclosure we are recording this on juneteenth uh so you know that's just what it is it's coming out monday so we don't know what happened over the weekend in Tulsa. I can only imagine what news that could bring. But we'll be talking about that, obviously, in the next episode. But for now, let's address something that was pretty big at the end of last week was when AMC Theaters, you know, they're about to reopen hundreds of locations on July 15th in this country. And they essentially said, you know what, when we open, we're not going to require patrons to wear masks despite there being a pandemic. And this was the reasoning the CEO of AMC gave, quote, we did not want to be drawn into a political controversy. We thought it might be counterproductive if we forced mask wearing on those people who believe strongly that it is not necessary. We think that

the vast majority of amc guests will be wearing masks when i go to an amc feature i will certainly be wearing a mask and leading by example okay when that came out i think most people were like what in the holy fuck are is going on over there we are in a pandemic where the numbers are not going down. They're only going up. We're aggressively reopening against the word of every scientist ever, basically. Right. And anybody with half a brain. And all because what? You gotta make

sure you get that money for the Tenet premiere? I mean, that's Chris Nolan, baby. Like, my man's like, I gotta get that. And honestly, you know what? I think coronavirus might actually be super, super racist because that's the only movie that nolan's made that has a black lead right same tweet yeah i mean i mean it's wild because like listen i'll say it i'm a member of amc stubs club not trying to flex just saying it's what i want to do but i ain't trying to go to even in movie theaters when there's no masks on i feel like i don't want to be there for

other reasons and i feel like right now like this is, I feel like I don't want to be there for other reasons. And I feel like right now, like this is not the most important thing that we got to be dealing with. Like, why would you ever like promote that we are going to allow congregations of people to be doing a thing together and just breathe the same musty old theater, 42nd Street air for that long? Right, because the logic,

apparently that they're applying is like, well, look, people are wearing masks. They're not talking. They'll all be facing the same direction. Masks will only be off while eating popcorn or having a seat or drink or whatever. And that's like their flimsy ass logic. And then when CNN pressed them further, like, but like, what are you actually doing? Aside from just saying, like, don't wear like what what else can you say you're doing to keep people safe?

And this is what this is the direct answer from the representative from AMC in this interview, quote, the things you would expect we're of course doing a social distancing seat limitations, intensify, creating protocols, employee health procedures, contactless ticketing, mobile food and beverage ordering. But we've also invested millions of dollars in high-tech solutions to purifying our theaters. We're buying electrostatic sprayers, HEPA vacuums, MERV 13 ventilation air filters. We're taking the safety and health of our guests and our associates as seriously as we possibly can,

except allowing people without masks to enter your fucking theater. What the fuck are y'all even talking about? Idiots. Also, like, y'all don't have no wind. Like, this is actually, like, a Petri dish that you're asking people to go to where there's no windows.

Airflow is low. I don't know if you heard. Electrostatic sprayers, HEPA vacuums, and Merv. Lacey, let me say this one more time. Merv 13 ventilation air filters. Not Merv 12 because remember what happened with those. Merv 13. Yeah, 100%.

Yes. It's wild. I feel like I don't even remember the first 12 Mervs. And we are on 13 and hopefully it's gonna save shit you know what i'm saying no i think that it's also like it's what i'm trying to think of like what is the opposite like you know if you take your mask down if you take your mask off to eat some popcorn coronavirus everywhere bro especially in like a dense dark room where like i'm not an epidemiologist but if you're in a trap room and there's a high risk coronavirus and everyone's pulling their mask off for a little bit you don't know who's asymptomatic you don't know any of this sort of shit and on top of that it's like what are you

gonna do gonna have like a mask but then you have like the upside down face shield where like you just dump popcorn and drinks down there so you don't have to take it like this oh keep that well keep that idea close to the chest do you have a 3d oh my god prototype that i will i mean like listen we in new york i'll fight any herb who has that on them but i had to go see tenant this weekend so i have this upside down face right so in a situation it's almost like some wally shit where we would create ways to just trough product into our down our gullets during some on like some fucking media spectacle like it the the levels of dystopian like we're approaching with

this pandemic because it's really revealing how like the pathology of capitalism too like this whole idea of like look we got to get this fucking money i don't give a fuck if people die like we're going we don't get and the other thing people need to realize is like if you are if you're trusting a corporation to look out for you you are out of your goddamn mind there i haven't seen one example where i'm like you know what that corporation they came through on protecting people even though it's detrimental to their bottom line and affected shareholder value uh they did the right thing that's just not gonna happen not once i cannot can i open you guys's third eye for a second okay i think amc is really opening not just to open their theaters and get money and to stimulate whatever arm of Hollywood they're doing, but also remember the wild cornball Jeff Bezos is trying to buy AMC theaters.

So I think that this is the only thing that they can do to even have any revenue to prevent this sort of buyout. Buyout, right. All the shareholders are like, yep, yep, let's sell. revenue to prevent this sort of buyout buyout right all the shareholders are like yep yep let's sell exactly so i think that's like i think that's something that's like being erased from all of this but i think it's also like i don't care about giant corporate mergers i really care about people and also i i mean i've been in mad amc theaters in the city and i'm just like there's all like we don't know how coronavirus completely affects the body entirely yet but like every movie theater i been in, I'm guaranteed some dude is in there masturbating and doing some shit. And it's like, it's already weird shit that's happening. And it's like, bro, like for three months, everybody's been home.

And now niggas is going to be beating off movie theaters with masks on. Like that's it. Like we have other systemic theater problems that we also got to fix. And now there's fucking coronavirus on top of that. Yeah. And what movies are even out that it's like, ooh, let me go risk my life for this? Tenet. Tenet.

I don't know anyone else. John David Washington. Yeah. It's a Christopher Nolan movie. It's a Christopher Nolan, like, super mind fuck, trippy, visual thing. I'm not dying for Christopher Nolan. No. And no one is.

I don't think that many people are. And I think he's playing himself if he thinks, like, it's people are going to fucking risk their lives to see that shit like it's like oh i may see a christopher nolan movie or i may end up on a ventilator i think the difference like i would love to see that movie but the the cost benefit analysis there i'm like oh fuck no getting in a room full of people who are also dumb as fuck to be like i'm going to the movies oh my god where the i don't know what you've been up to but But that brings us to this. So this outrage that we are experiencing right now,

that got loud enough for AMC to be like, okay, you're right. We won't call it politics, even though this is not a political issue. That's a whole other conversation. That's a whole other conversation. Politicizing mask wearing. But they're saying like, okay, you know what?

Masks on now. And this is what the CEO had to say. At AMC Theaters, we think it is absolutely crucial that we listen to our guests accordingly and with the full support of our scientific advisors we are reversing course and are changing our guest mask policy as we real let me just stop right there the whole thing where they're saying with the full support of our scientific advisors where they told you to have a optional mask policy to begin with like what what is the like the language already i feel like betrays what was really going on essentially like trying to be like yeah because you know we're always we're always having our

scientific advisors weigh in on everything i was gonna say who the fuck is a fucking amc scientific advisor my g like who goes to college and be like i can't wait to work for a mega movie scientific advisor they gotta know how much like chemical they can put in that fake butter

before it legally will kill you I think it's just coconut oil really but their scientific advisor is probably someone who like memorized all the lines

from Flubber or some shit 100% it's just like wild hair the glasses and the lab coat they're like

just tell them to wear masks they're gonna be fine don't worry about it this other thing here so then they go on as we reopen theaters all guests will be required to wear masks this is the next part the speed with which amc moved to revise our mask policies is a reflection of our commitment to the safety and health of our guests it would have been more of a commitment if y'all had just started with the mask in the first place or maybe never open.

Like how y'all gonna rebrand? That's like, that's like if you have cars, you got, you make cars and you sell them and you know, they exploding and you know, they exploding before you sell them. And then people start exploding in them.

And then you're like, Hey guys, we're taking those exploding cars off the market because we see that you're exploding and we care about you. And that's always been at the forefront of our ethos as a company. Absolutely. We know when my granddad got into the exploding car business, I was like, you know what? I got to keep this family tradition going, but I will stop it because of the welfare of our customers.

Right. When y'all said we don't want to explode no more, we heard you. We heard you. That really is some like shitty boyfriend logic where you get caught cheating and you're like well i'm not cheating anymore and she's like well that's true exactly babe because that's a testament to how committed i am to you in this relationship it's like but i know you caught me five minutes ago i know you caught me on the streets but i'll knock that shit off however that was five minutes ago and the speed

normally i would not cheat. I wouldn't stop cheating for nobody. Right. You know? But you- But I'm committed to this. This relationship, the sanctity of it. The whole thing just reeks of total bullshit. 100%.

And it's just really weird, man, because there's another level of gaslighting that's happening from the capitalist business-owning class, which is forcing people to work and consume again as if there isn't a pandemic. Like all these forced openings, like I think bars were opening over the weekend in L.A. I wouldn't know because I'm still looking at like, is there. Oh, they open. Are the numbers going down? Yeah. It's like, what are what the fuck are people doing? But they're not realizing that even though a mayor might say, hey, we're reopening the town, it's not because you are safe.

It's because the Chamber of Commerce and other donors and people who own businesses and stuff are in their ears lobbying them to get them to reopen. This is a lobbying effort. This isn't your local leader saying, all right, guys, uh you've been safe and i think we're ready no they're under pressure from these people who are like i need my fucking money bro and if you think i'm gonna give to your campaign you're out your fucking head start opening these fucking restaurants and shit it's really really dark and cynical also people have to remember like if you're going out to these restaurants or you're risking it because you're like oh it'll probably be okay just know you're out there with the most reckless people you've ever met in your life like because anybody who's out early disregarding everything

that's happening in the news i bet you those people have been out the entire time there's a good chance that they have like met up with so many different people like you are out with the most reckless people you've ever met yeah and also like and guess what you one of them motherfuckers too you there like come on bro this if we all, oh, maybe I'm wild and just sat down, you'd be fine. Yeah. I mean, you're like if you could be outdoors, that's one thing, because it seems like mask wearing did help a lot during a lot of these protests, which is beneficial. But that's in the context of outside. And I know there are I've read plenty of takes on the right. They're like, oh, really? People are upset about upset about bars but look at this look at all these people i don't see social distancing there without completely like actually genuinely you know pointing to the fact that this

isn't about going to see a fucking movie okay this is exactly complete the stakes are fucking not even close to being the same but yeah wow it's because like the sooner that you realize that everything's connected to like whiteness money and optics everything starts becoming so much more clear because like and honestly like you know look at these people doing brunch things are good but you're not going to follow up with them in two weeks when they're on ventilators marv 13 air ventilators if i yeah like yeah so it's wow so we'll see, you know, how that goes. I just, you know, please, everybody listening, just because look at just the numbers, man. If the numbers aren't going down, we're not doing it.

We're not doing what we had to do. Then you don't know how to be in the streets. Yeah. Speaking of whiteness and optics and media narratives and Hollywood, Mamadou, you wrote a piece in Vulture that is really, really fantastic, sort of talking about a film that you were trying to get out and its evolution and how you were trying to tell a story and how you came to realize whether or not an audience would accept it, whether or not the gatekeepers that allow stories like this to be platformed would accept it.

And I don't know, I just want to, you know, let you, I feel like this to be platformed would accept it um and i don't know i just want to you know let you i feel like this is a great time to talk about hollywooding while black um and i think in your instance like for you as a creator trying to get a message out and then watching how that gets distorted along the way um so do you do you kind of want to just sort of break down what happened? Yeah. So I've been doing like, you know, protests and stuff for a long time. And I think that, you know, every black person that we know, their entire life has been mired with this sort of like smog of police violence and racism from that. So in 2016, after the deaths of Philando Castile and Alton Sterling, I started working on a

short film and I started crowdfunding for it called Hashtag. And it was supposed to be sort of a meta narrative on the cyclical nature of things. Because especially on social media, you really notice that we turn our eyes to it, then we turn away. And it keeps happening almost exactly the same way. And I think that, you know, we all had our great,

I think, not we all, but I feel like a lot of the internet that doesn't have access to this sort of narrative because they're not tied to it, was forced to look at like the Trayvon Martin story. So things have slowly gotten woker and woker, woker and woker, woker on Twitter. But I made the short film and it took a lot out of me, mostly because I was getting advice from a lot of different people. I was taking it in different directions and I went to different execs. I went to different production companies that I wanted to help from it.

And it felt very much like this, like, grand gaslighting of, like, yo, this idea is, it felt like you could feel the money behind it. It's not in right now. It's not going to pop. You could hear the gaslighting from the ideas. Like, oh, yeah, what you're talking about is, like, definitely an important topic. But, like, we don't do that here and i could tell from the people that i was talking to that it like it made them uncomfortable but not uncomfortable enough to change anything about themselves and stuff and uh i finally did make the short film in 2018 with uh quincy

ledbetter and michelle francesca thomas and when i made the short film i realized that throughout the entire time i was making it more people were dying and more people were doing the same thing that I was like trying to put in this movie and uh yeah it really broke me it really made me feel insane because I was like I feel crazy and I know a lot of black people do because we just spend so much of our time being gaslit so our own experiences by people at all levels of what we're doing especially in Hollywood and in comedy and stuff. So I, during all of this, you know, you said that we were talking about Twitter.

Like, I just got mad this time. I was just like, yo, stop pretending that you don't see this. And like the fatigue and like the, oh, well, we're going to be performatively woke and then we're going to go away from it. Whereas like black people can't turn their heads away. Like we only turn our heads into more trauma and last three weeks have been that so i yeah i made the short film and then i was like i'm not gonna release this mostly because i think that like with black people who die from police violence they are survived by us and we fight for them

but that was a movie where it's literally called hashtag was gonna trend and my body was on the chopping block trying to make a point and i was going to be alive to see the ancient motherfuckers that i have to navigate every single day so rather than do that and then ruin my own mental health with that i was like i'm not going to release this that being said a lot of people have seen it and a lot of people have shared it it's something that um you know when i wrote the article she's like i want to see it and i was like yeah because i can't be out here like i'm writing something about something that's never happened that doesn't exist so you can't do that so i was like you can see it and they uh thank you meg wright for giving me the platform for that but she also just like she said it moved her and yeah you know she understood the point that i was trying

to make and it ties into so much of like the sort of emotional policing that uh black people got to go through in hollywood whether it be tone policing, emotional policing, body policing. And it doesn't. And with the moment talking about cops again, I was like, we have to include all of it. We have to include all the conversations. And I'm not the most radical person. I know many more women of color who are much more, specifically black women, who are much more radical than i was uh that i am but just the police and prison abolition movement is moving past this sort of like cyclical nature like we need to completely fuck this shit up and right uh i want that sort of energy to come towards policing of black expression in hollywood it's good it's a very different beast because no

no white person thinks that they're bad right and also like they think that they're giving us opportunities but they don't understand that real opportunity lies within the power construct in hollywood so i shouldn't have to i shouldn't be allowed to make something that is specifically black and then have white people gaze upon it and tell me why it doesn't work it's like sometimes you just have to trust that you don't know what you're talking about and i think that's the biggest thing that we have to work with with hollywood execs is like there has to come a moment where you're like i don't know every experience like you're not gonna see me read you know a native person's script or read a script from someone who's from seoul or or from you know amsterdam and be like you know i'm not really understanding this food

stuff y'all talking about like you need you need to take that out. Maybe we could put in, I don't know, black people food, you know? Or I don't know, like this love interest. Could they be white? I know this is a story specifically. I mean, it's in Seoul, Korea, so what about some Seoul food? Seoul food. Yeah. I know it's in Seoul, Korea,

but yeah, Seoul food and also Seoul for people. Could these Koreans be black ones? But that's what happens, like, just what you for people. Could these Koreans be the black ones? But that's what happens. Just what you're saying, Mama, with your piece, right? I haven't seen it yet, but the way you were describing sort of this Groundhog's Day effect of this man getting killed by the police and having to relive it and try and figure out how they're going to actually survive this interaction.

And I think that puts so literally what the black experience is that essentially it's like what was happening pre george floyd where it was something so real and shocking to someone's senses that they're like oh that's like kind of hot you know like that but rather than acknowledging like will you allow us to actually explain to you what this is this isn't this isn't something meant to be incendiary or antagonistic because our existences are are just tainted with these kinds of things so yeah what what the fuck is this and to hear that someone was like even trying to an executive said tried to get you to both sides this narrative yeah it was very annoying i was

just like bro like i don't give a fuck about the cop narrative. Guess what? They have a full, they have a stranglehold on their own fucking narrative. And whenever anything comes out about them, they're like, can you take out the part about the brutality? Thank you. I mean, and that's the thing. Like, black people do not have control of their own narrative in the same way that white people and cops have. And I'm not saying that every white person is a cop or am i but i'm just saying that there is a power structure in hollywood as lacy was saying that doesn't allow for black people to express themselves the way they want to it has to

be put through a white filter of palatability and that extends to all people of color queer people like and and it's difficult and it's dangerous to do that because if we don't have control of our own narrative then things that are essential need to get cut out and even in this article like shout out meg i was just like fighting was like no these lines need to come in because someone needs to say this like i think that people in the last 40 years sort of this turn towards blackness being the cool thing that we can like all engage in that has become so mainstream that black people are now being plucked away from their own narratives and replaced with white people who are doing black sense and you know you know

nigga fishing on to on instagram and stuff like that like that sort of stuff so it's so expansive and it's so connected to so many different other systems in Hollywood. And it all comes down to like this sort of like suffocating cloud of whiteness that is around everything. I think what what really made me break was one girl asking me, where's hashtag? Like in a very like I need it now. Oh, because you did a GoFundMe Kickstarter thing. Right. Exactly.

And I totally got it. I understood where she was coming from because i mean that's how i am i try to see both sides of that sort of situation often too much but i and i try to see both sides of that but what it really felt like and i had to be honest about how i felt was like it feels like you're just like yo where's this movie about police trauma that i put some money into and she's right like you put some money into it but like this is really fucking me up and also every three months someone else is dying and i watch my movie happen in real life and you watch my movie happen

in real life and you do nothing about it so why would i put something out with me in it and hurt my my own mental health and see you do the same thing you do with real dead people and keep it going and it and it just it really did break me so i just immediately i was like we gotta start looking at hollywood holistically everything from execs down to crafty how are we putting black people into this right and also the idea of like re-traumatizing black people because we understand what the reality is yeah so when we see these films it's like yep uh but then at a certain point it wears it starts to really weigh down on people because how many times you have to see these really fucked up versions of life until you know shit starts clicking and i guess we're beginning there but that's why i think we have to really seize this

moment i think a lot of people are um and to your point is like it can't just be offerings to black creators writers or whatever to have like table scraps or to be like invited to the table. Motherfuckers need to give up their seats at the table. Is that you know what I mean? Because that's the issue. And I think that's really I think another issue of like, how are we how can we really guarantee that there is going to be proper representation in these kinds of things when already we're seeing corporations be like hey we'll be back with more on what we will do on black lives matter more to come more to come but like we got to be real what this is just another form of gaslighting until we actually

see what is going to happen i don't need more to come i need you to say you know what like we've changed our head of development uh is now like a clear black person, whatever, anything. And just be like, this person is now doing this. Someone who is gatekeeping is now we're actually expanding the perspective of people who are going to actually be like, this could be something good rather than a very homogeneous lens or filter that everything is put through in this decision making process. Right. And that's why you're seeing gatekeepers for a long time, what they did, you know, and called diversity and expansion was tokenism, where they would take on black creatives and then they take their art and they remove all of the passion and the truth from it so that they can make it palatable to white audiences. And you don't see that in anybody else's art, like any other white folks' art. When you're watching white people's piece, if you're watching Wes Anderson,

you're getting the alabaster of the alabaster, the creme de la creme, you know what I mean? No one's saying, like, Wes, too many colors. Wes, too many tiny chairs. Why is every shot so symmetrical? Right. Whatever Wes feels his whiteness needs to express he's allowed to do that however if it's brown and black folks then it's like well we don't get this

reference or I mean Gerard Carmichael left the Carmichael show because they wouldn't let him release episodes about police brutality and about stuff that he really wanted to talk about then they just kept censoring him and I've experienced that on shows that I was on where we were talking about I was the one black girl in a friend group and we were talking about the police and they immediately are way more aggressive to me in the scene. And the white execs read it and were like, we don't understand why this black girl's character, why would the cops be so aggressive towards her? And we were like, because she's black. And they're like, no, but the cop has no reason to do that. It's like they still think that way, and they put it on us.

And it's like, come on now. You've seen all these videos of us dying. And white people love a slave movie. They love a good old black trauma porn that they can just skirt up and down the Oscars. Or something with some good old savior behavior. Yeah, savior behavior, like you said. And I don't even watch those things anymore. And it's kind of like that meme of the girl who's drinking the soda.

And she's like, hmm? Hmm? So it's like when I see an ad for a black trauma porn movie, I'm not interested. When I see an audition, I'm like, hmm? Maybe I got to go get my Lupita on. I don't want to, but that's the industry that I live in. Those are the choices that I have. I gotta go get beat on and like a slave

so I can get me some clout. Yeah. I mean, you know, it is so sad because like, I think that like, you know, we all make the jokes about like, white people was asking us,

did you see Get Out? And we got to ask them, did you see it? Because it feels like you're not changing anything about your behavior to us based on that. And is that and i think it's like what's even more insidious i think that like what people don't really fully realize about what needs to change in hollywood is the thing that we're learning we know about world history everything in world history is people refusing to give up power and people are like oh bet no power okay we take it everything your

head's mine g like that's what it is and i think in hollywood is like we don't it doesn't need to be a violent transfer of power it literally is like we're giving you this power and i think that it can't just be the one black person in the room it can't be just two because you need to and as a former teacher you need to build scaffolding something to like hold on to so that like they can understand like we can feel like we can communicate with each other and have some sort of power. And I think that is a fear that a lot of white Republicans have in this world and a lot of white people on the right, but also on the left. It's like there's a lot of people who angle themselves to be at the front of black movements who are white allies. And I'm like, why are you at the front? Unless you're defending me from a cop at a protest.

It's okay to not be the forefront of it and i i know plenty of people who may not think of it that way but that's how we perceive it but then on top of that there's a culture of silence where we're not allowed to talk about this stuff because we know it could be our career and i think that in this moment so many people are talking about it because we have so much frustration that is from everything also we've all been cooped up for like three months but like there's so much frustration from everything and you know media pieces like 13th and when they see a shout out ava and watchmen like these are all stories that black people really know and white people don't i think that's a put in improv term shout

out ucb but not really um it's we don't have the same base reality and we're coming into a scene where we the white base reality is supposed to be the subjective truth but we know it's been whitewashed and spun to be something else and even in the movies they say oh this is about black people like uh what's the movie hidden figures then my man was breaking down that bathroom sign i'm like get the fuck out of here that nigga did not knock down no goddamn hey nigga go to the go to the bathroom over there. That's how it went down. It's like, it's not, and that's the stuff.

It's like, there's still this positioning of like the framing of white goodness and redemption and innocence. Where in reality, we know that's not how it is historically. And the fact that like people can just post a black square and be quiet, that brought out everyone's frustration and anger. Because we on the inside know that this is not how it is. And we've had to hold it in because if we let that shit out, it's a pack up for our life, our career. And there's an insidiousness to the way that whiteness makes blackness threatening at the drop of a hat. Smallest instance. Smallest instance. And that is policing. That's the tone police block that I was talking about. blackness threatening at the drop of a hat right and smallest instance smallest instance and it

and that is policing that's the tone police block that i was talking about that is all that stuff and like even with j cole no name like it's coming from inside the house too like that that sort of white supremacist thought is still like oh yeah black woman quiet your shit down like what we there's so much that needs to be unpacked and undone. I think that's the beauty of like what's coming out of this movement, not just for Hollywood, but for the world about, you know, police abolishment and prison abolishment, because it's like, we need to like strip this shit and we need to like fix things. But it requires us all to like de-center ourselves and center equity in a certain way. White people are not good at that. They're just like, what do you need me to do? Money? Cool. And that, we need infrastructure, we need power. And that requires people who get into these positions, the, you know, people are doing it, like the Issa Rays, the Donald Glovers, the Avas, who are doing these things to like pay it forward and recenter the people who are the most vulnerable within our own black community as well. And that is something that has to start up at ad execs and development execs, go to showrunners,

to writers, to writers assistants, to assistants, to crafty hair and makeup. It has to trickle down to PAs. Yep, crafty hair and makeup. Yeah, all the way down. And I was in The Hollywood Reporter before COVID hit in the Oscars edition talking about the disparities when it comes to people who even know how to do Black makeup and hair. I don't think white people realize that we get up every single day and we just face abuse every day. And we're quiet because we're like, well, these kind of Edison don't care that

this white lady was mean to me. So I'm just gonna have to take it on the chin because I got to pay my fucking bills. And they don't get that. And you know, it was super disappointing to me to in LA 706. I'm gonna put y'all on blast again, to hear from the 706. And this is not the people of color who work within 706. Shout out to y'all because y'all are fighting so hard to get jobs. And it's such a, I know it's a hard space. But I heard that people in the meetings read The Hollywood Reporter and wanted to boycott The Hollywood Reporter. And were talking about all the great things that they were doing for black women in hair and makeup and the programs that they had. And I said, so if this is what

the problem you have, right? I'm an actress. I work. I'm not famous at this moment, but I'm employed. But you have Taraji P. Henson. You have Gabrielle Union. You have Natasha Rothwell. You have actresses who have been in the game for decades telling you the same thing. And instead of being like, wow, if they're still saying it's a problem maybe we aren't doing enough or maybe what we're doing isn't working but instead there's that white fragility that hops in that centers yourself and makes it all about you and how you feel when people are hurting and that's like if you went to the doctor and you're like doctor like I'm bleeding the doctor's like okay that's not my fault so so what whose fault so whose fault why you get stabbed why you running the knives i didn't run the knife into you it's like help me i'm asking you to help me not to make it about you yeah that's the ugly part where it's just

like you pull up somewhere and it's it's the meme again i keep talking to memes i'm sorry my brain is fundamentally broken by the internet but it's it's that shit where eric andre shooting hannibal and be like why would you make me do that and i'm like no it don't it don't gotta be this way i literally just need you to like change these things and one thing that got taken out of the article for word count because it was near 3000 uh but because i had so much to say there's just so much to unpack but like i need to make it a cohesive story. Shout out editors. Is that you can't arrive 500 years late to class and then be like, all right, page one, Black Lives Matter.

You've got to come in and realize that you are not leading the movement. You are contributing to it. I think that there's a skewing in our media, the way that the world looks at the different oppressions, that it seems like things are one-to-one. Whereas everything is so complicated. It's not just men versus women. It's not just black men, white women. It's not white women, black women. It's all of the things connected. And if you start intersecting it all the way down to the bottom and you start realizing who's the least protected.

And we were talking about this the other day. Lacey and I just like, specifically, it's trickle-down justice. It's just trickle-down justice. And it's like and we were talking about this the other day lacy and i just like specifically it's trickle down justice it's just trickle down justice and it's like we're gonna break the glass ceiling we're gonna come back and get you has that happened like at the moment that black white people are like well i'm tapped out i donated to 15 fucking organizations i'm exhausted yeah exactly oh that shit made and i talk about it all the time race time continuum you see it you're like oh my god i'm so upset to do? All right, we fixed it. And then you go right back down that little curve. Race time continuum. life and I've tried to explain it in every way to people who are not trying to change. And now we're not going to let you. And I think that it starts with, you know, the safety of black people

in Hollywood and that requires the scaffolding at all different levels. But then it also comes with like the rejection of white mediocrity in the face of black people who work their entire goddamn lives to have the most stacked IMDb, the most stacked credits, the most writing samples and they pull up and they're like oh yeah this is keith from costco you might have written on 15 different oscar award uh nominated movies but we just found him and he was you know you know by the showrunner yeah exactly yeah and he was in costco at the time he actually had a showrunner like load a bunch of dog food into his car. Exactly. And he made a funny dog food joke. And the guy was like, hey, you want to be in a writer's room?

Exactly. And that's not to say that there aren't many talented white writers. But what you guys have to understand is, and this is where I find myself trying to incentivize white folks. Because I just know that they, I wish they had more empathy in their hearts. But many, it's just about them. So I'm like, look, you can sleep better if you do these things for black people. And then, you know, you're not the bad guy. You just keep doing those things. And thank you so much. Or like white folks who've worked really hard for the things that they have. It's not that we don't know you exist. The issue is, is that you don't realize like for as much as you've ever had to work, we've had to work harder. And it's not,

but we're not saying that to say that we're better than you. We're saying that to say that you got to work and you didn't have to get followed home by the police you got to work and you didn't have to quietly deal with your first ad putting his hands on you on set you got to work and when you spoke up and said that hey i'm getting sick they didn't make you work in the freaking woods until you had to go to the hospital you got to work and you didn't have to you know what i mean? And these are my personal experiences that I just listed off in Hollywood where people, I've had white men putting their hands on me

to the point where I had to be like, please stop. And I was supposedly the most important actress there, number one on the call sheet. And they're like, oh, she's kind of difficult, huh? I had an AD break his fall on me on set, tripped and grabbed me to break his fall. Could you imagine being on a set where anybody worked on that set and nicole came in or any other delicate white woman and then you saw

like a gaffer like whoop i'm tripping let me grab on to nicole so i can so i don't fall to the ground what oh man yeah what so just know like this is what we're talking about we're not trying to take away from the fact that you've worked hard for the things that you own. But do know that we are surviving one every day that we get up. And then we're doing twice, three times as much work just to be considered for a tokenized position. Yeah. And on top of that, just as people, the most vulnerable in the world that feel like we aren't, we don't have even access to these stories. Because when they're like, all right, we want to make this movie about how you know we're gonna have it it's gonna be a parallel universe it's gonna be you nicole kidman and his ad is gonna fall on you and then

they'll somehow like erase you from the story they'll somehow like you know somehow it was lacy but now they've made that person shades 14 shades lighter and they're actually being played by uh lena dunham scarlet exactly you know we we know our roster you know what i'm saying so it's like there's this sort of like keep calm and carry on mentality not to get uk but like it is this racism where it's like white people are like all right it's all good and like we're gonna fight racism until you gotta like look within and i think that we're we all need to look within to, if we want to make any sort of transformative change in Hollywood,

it requires an internal look, something that like black people have had to do to survive because we need to talk. I need to talk to Lacey to tell her like, this is what happened. So I don't feel crazy. It is. And I think that,

you know, I never want to like, you know, co-opt abuse language, but these are power dynamics and they intersect once you talk about race and gender and you know sexual orientation gender expression it's like it's so very layered and complicated and it can't just be a post on twitter it can't be a post on because like people been out here posting on twitter

posting on instagram getting dragged whole whole organizations being like we stand for Black Lives Matter and all the black people be like this you. And it's like every single time that happens, I'm like, we yeah, we know this is exactly what it is every single fucking time. It's like we people want to look good rather than do good. And I think that when it comes to allyship, we need to do the good and we need the receipts because you know that black people got theirs against you. And I think that like we also need to allow people to grow and change. I'm a teacher. So like, you know, I thought, like I said in the article, if I'm getting sick of people, you know, my patience is run dry. I taught 12 year olds, man, them niggas was roasting

my, shout out to y'all shout out jamiel uh roasting me so it's like um i'm tired i'm exhausted and if i'm tired then i know that somebody has to deal with the intersection of being a woman like lacy also is exhausted and somebody who's queer is definitely exhausted somebody who's fat in this industry too fucking exhausted somebody who's not cis like it's like there's so many layers and it requires not centering of just a group but centering of just like an equity mind and i think that there's a lot of white people who walk into a room and they see a bunch of white people and they say they don't see anything wrong yeah and that is a problem true words all right let's take a quick break and we'll be right back How do you feel about biscuits?

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As a leader, you choose hills that you want to die on. Why would we want to be the losing team? I just take all the other stuff segregation academies when the civil rights uh said that we need to integrate public schools these charter schools were exempt from bigger than a flag or mascot you have to be ready for serious backlash listen to rebel spirit on the iheart Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, everyone. I am Lacey Lamar. And I'm Amber Ruffin, a better Lacey Lamar. Boo.

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Let's just really quick. I just want to point out to this piece in the New York Times from like last week. The author of Salt, Sugar, Fat, the book was fantastic. fat um like the book was like fantastic it's basically talking about like this systematic poisoning of us through all these processed foods we eat in these combinations that are having just the worst effects on our health but are being like yo but this is how we get people to buy it because it tastes good and yeah fuck fuck the health effects um yeah so i'm not gonna fault his tone as he like talks about how like excited food makers are, but it is kind of funny. So it seems like right now, a lot of the processed food industry is basically like,

oh shit, like we're back. Like the pandemic has brought like the just comfort food, junk food, eating, you know, wave right back. And a lot of people, I think myself included, I was being very like, nah, I don't need to eat this shit. I don't need to eat just like straight up sugar stuff. Like I can be a little more mindful to keep my internal processes running optimally. But now a lot of people, you know, in the pandemic, we're in our homes.

We are basically finding out that like we like to snack more. Like it's just what it is. We're grazing now. like we like to snack more. Like it's just what it is. We're grazing now. And basically now there's a lot of these food makers saying like, holy shit, like snacking has come back.

Like snacking is like the, is the wave right now. But I think depending on how you, I think, I think I find myself in the category of like eating junk food just purely to be comfortable. That's it. Like right now I find myself being like,

Hey dude, I need fucking ice cream. I need to eat a whole sleeve of Oreos in one go just because at times it helps with other things. But then I think the other thing is a lot of people don't have the knowledge, wealth, or discipline to stay on a healthy diet. So I don't know how anyone could be expected

to consider those things, especially when right now we're kind of like in this slow motion societal collapse. But apparently people are loving canned soup right now. Canned soup? They're not loving it. Your life is over if you like canned soup right now. Who does canned soup slap? Progresso.

Oh my God. I think what it is, is obviously because it's the easiest shit to make you know what i mean good baby i think it's only i think they're jumping the gun of it i think that's like people being like mass a back baby everybody wants ppe everyone's gonna wear ppe for the next 10 20 years baby like have to, I think they need to realize the time that we're in because cam suit don't slap and people were getting it because it doesn't expire and they didn't know how long it would be

until their next grocery store trip. So it's kind of wild to me that people are like and extracting that from the narrative and being like, we got them where we want them. Hooked again. It's like, yeah, General Mills, their cereals jumped like 30 percent and like waffles and they're like oh here we go damn i should have got stock in eggo damn it oh 100 percent do you

imagine just coming up off the eggo dollars you get those eggo checks in the mail nobody's letting go right now oh no no niggas hey nobody let go my motherfucking eggo like you be out here trying to pay big coronavirus to get your echo money to stay up. Soup is wild to me because I'm like, yo, there's no... Okay, I'm not going to slander soup. I'm an ally to the soup community. I want to be clear. I'm just saying that there's no way that someone looks at those numbers and goes, soup is in. We got to get this soup shit going.

Listen, it's like the scientists at the AMC. There's nobody looking at those numbers and saying that soup is what is in. And I don't know. I don't... Also to say that it's like the scientists at the amc like there's nobody looking at those numbers and saying that like soup is what is in and i don't know i don't also to say that it's in you know what i'm saying like like cancer like a survival food is not in a survival food means that we're trying to survive that is all that is dry spaghetti man we're back we're back chef boyardee chef boyardee putting on his head is like i swore i'd, but guess I'm back in the game now. All that kitschy astronaut food. They're like, everybody buying our camping food. Astronaut ice cream.

Yeah. The other thing is, but a lot of people, like six in 10 adults in this other survey were cooking a lot of their meals from scratch, which is really interesting. So I think some people took the time to just be like, I got so much time. Like, oh, shit. Carrots are cheap are cheap okay maybe i can do something with this um but the other thing that's really interesting is like how the sort of pendulum broke down in different ways um one of the biggest things was for people who said like one in four people said they were eating more salty and sugary snacks and this this like category of people was dominated by the 18 to 29 demographic, which like back in 2014, were the same people who were like, I'm off this shit, like I'm off

this processed food. So we've had to come it's interesting to see that just in these times, like, yeah, there is a certain amount that we just, it's comfortable to maybe do less work to cook and just eat something that reminds us of childhood when we didn't know about you know how deep systemic racism was or a pandemic or capital we're all stressed and i feel like if a scooby-doo snacks box could talk you'd be like i see you bitch coming crawling back where's your avocado toast now i dare you i dare you what's the wildest snack like journey you've gone on in this pandemic like in terms of volume i ate one and a half pints of ice cream in one sitting i definitely had a haagen-dazs moment and then and i'm not a snacker like i'll eat once a day um which is very

trifling oh you do that big one big meal you? You're one of those? One big kill, honey. It's not working for me. One big pizza. Right. One big pizza, one big ice cream. One big wine. We're having one big wine. Okay? Having big wine tonight. Yeah. Alison Roman who? But listen, I drink my

wine out of a flower vase. What of it? Wow. I didn't know goop.com had a black division wow right they do uh gwyneth is now she's like this is what my vagina tastes like it's called goop it tastes like chardonnay guys which is what you would imagine it would taste like no but i think yeah i bought the mini miniature haagen-Dazs because I got to the point where I was like, okay, Lace, you can't eat a pint and a half of ice cream. Because I actually kind of did the same thing that you did, Miles.

I'm trying to think if there's anything. Oh, you know what I did? I got peanut butter, honey, and the chunky style peanut butter. I microwaved it. And then I put a little salt on top and I ate that with a spoon whoa wait do you smoke weed? not all the time

smoking that gas smoking that gas smoking that gas like a fucking hot bowl of honey peanut butter yeah pass that fucking loud god damn that's like some shit

like when I was in college my roommate roommate is in the kitchen or something like, Hey, what you making, man? Hey, can I get some of that? You are judging me. No, I like it. I fuck with the creativity. I will yield the rest of my time if it means Lacey makes that right now and eats it and tells us dead ass with her chest that shit is delicious. It was good.

It wasn't too hot. It was just nice and loose. So you could take. Yeah, it was good. It wasn't too hot. It was just nice and loose. So you could take. Yeah, it was loose. It had the little salt to it and had the honey aspect. It was savory. It was sweet. And I ate it out of a coffee mug.

All right. What about you, Mama Dew? I yield my time. What the fuck? What's going on with you? I yield my time. What the fuck? Like, what's going on with you?

Like, it's like. Nah. I mean, like, you know, first off, I think what's wild is that, like, pandemic hit. First few weeks, good. Still working out. Got a good schedule going. I'm out here, like, cooking. I go out and make a pasta.

I go make rice. I make West African food, like yassa and stuff like that. And I was doing that. And then Ramadan hit. And Ramadan was, like, good for your bank account because you're like, you can't buy a lot. You can eat once a day. So like, that's good. But then it just clapped me because I just now I'm back to eating like once a day or doing the snacking thing that you're talking about. And of course, everything is going on, you know, protests, sort of this trauma. I'm having a stressful reaction and I'm not eating and I'm trying to remember to do that yeah like but like i'm out here like eating like little like things from bodegas of watermelon i got pretzels i'll get like chips and salsa a lot and i'll eat that i did not eat one and a half pints of ice cream but i keep buying the same strawberry cheesecake ice cream from bet and jerry's our woke allies in the dairy revolution there you go and like yeah i've been just like trying to drink a lot

of water and stuff like most of my plans for eating have been budgetary as opposed to like you know i just need a snack and even now i'm looking over here i got my little snack little like non-perishable corner and it's like i'm i could i keep forgetting to eat so i'm never like making a meal or as lacy knows i'll be like she'll be like hey what's going on and it's like did you eat and i'm like huh that's right i didn't eat all day and that's why i'm tired because you know you'll be tired you'll be like why am i tired and you're like huh i love cereal ice cream there's one from cool house that's just like cereal milk i was as an ice cream oh and it's it fucks me up. Is it Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

No, it's like as if it were the bottom of a bowl of Frosted Flakes. Yo. Except it's ice cream. Yo, that sounds good. I killed that. That sounds busting. I killed that book. I faced a blunt and I ate the whole. That's when I had my pint and a half revolution.

Okay. Oh, boy. That sounds busting. Yeah. If you can find anywhere that's doing that i'm just saying try because i've seen it a few places i think that's like the honestly the next like wave of like cool flavors of like no you know the fucking cereal milk though that with like a swirl of cereal it's that's the nostalgia i want i'm tired of reboots i'm tired of everyone using

samples on music i just want like snacks like that right that's like one that's like ice cream but it's like it's the paper from a cupcake that you get from a kid's birthday or some sugar cookies that you used to get on holidays you know the ones that sit in front of walmart that's just pure sugar that's just it's literally just a box of sugar but we need to go obscure like that's why i like cereal milk cupcake paper uh pizza grease paper plate like yeah when you're kind of like you know what like i'm gonna dip my crust in this pool right here i think i think i might just you know my elbows a little ass you might as well like listen you know what if you can't admit your faults then who the fuck are

you you know what i'm saying like sometimes you'll be seeing that pizza be greasy, and you're like, yo, let me pat it down with a paper towel. Let people know that I'm trying to be healthier. But if there's a little grease on there, and your elbows look like they're lacking, you can't cover them. Get a little greasy up in there. There you go. Words of wisdom with Mamadou and Jack.

That's survival tips for coronavirus. You're welcome. Mamadou, thank you so much for stopping by the Daily Zeitgeist, man. I really appreciate it. Happy Juneteenth, man. Even though it's Monday, but we're recording this on Juneteenth, but we'll respect the sanctity of the holiday that apparently donald trump made famous would you get the fuck out of here he came through with the kanye shit like i made that bitch famous what what wait tell me y'all saw melania's juneteenth video from way bro why she

shoot that shit from she was like all, y'all shoot me in this... I'm gonna be in this building. Y'all shoot me from outside. Wait, what? Is that the one where she's being Angela Davis or something? No, it's like she has a video where she's... Hold on. It almost looks like she's in like a Beyonce music video,

like where they are shooting her from super far away. And she's like, hello, everybody. It is Junji. Oh, it's bad. And also... They shot that from three range bro like that shit is all the way back and it looks mad wide whoever directed that was like you know what

let's get everything we can in this shot and it there's nothing in that room but melania in a chair and it does look wild formation like i it's wild man yeah yeah exactly damn bro it's wild that like and also like the president's on twitter you know out here just like shooting wild threats out to people like hey just so you know if you come to tulsa on the 20th it's like it won't be like these protests and stuff like bro what are you gonna do like i don't know this it's it's what those you know charged up white people do who think you know 900 antifas are about to pull up. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's like the other information wave. It's so funny to watch. Like, thank God my parents aren't on that Facebook shit. But there are so many of my friends who are like, I don't know what the fuck happened to, like, my mom or dad. Mom, where can people find you and follow you? First off, stop looking for me second you can find me on twitter at mama do enjoy m-a-m-o-u-d-o-u-n-d-i-a-y-e and you can find me on instagram at mama do about nothing m-a-m-o-u-d-o-u about nothing and i have a a partnership with color of change where we create a partnership where we

are trying to find a way to talk about social justice through comedy. Uh, and that's going to be coming out soon. So look out for bias for us. Cool. Uh, and what is it? Is there a tweet or any work of social media that you like?

Do you want to shout out? Oh man, listen, Alaskan Carl one, you know who you are. I hope like we all became the nigga eating nigga eating beans, so we feel your pain. Shout out to my man. I read that shit when I was a teacher still, and I was like, damn, I love black teenagers so much.

Protect them. Protect every single fucking black child out there because, yo, y'all are dumb funny. Yeah, dude. Black Zoom, the black Gen Z kids. Gen Z. It's so funny. We're just saying, shout out to Gen Z, man. Even when you're roasting us, I'm like, this is fucking great.

I love it. This is how white people feel at comedy shows. And black people be like, yeah, white people. They're like, yeah. I did tell a cop I didn't know I couldn't do that. I am a Gryffindor. Oh, yeah. I did tell a cop I didn't know I couldn't do that. I am a Gryffindor. Oh, man. Lacey, where can people find you and follow you?

What's a tweet that you like? Guys, as always, you can find me at D-I-V-A-L-A-C-I, Diva Lacey, on all platforms. If you love scams, robbery, and fraud, listen to Scam Goddess. If you haven't listened, the most recent episode is me and miles and it's super fun shout out to vulture for writing us up about it and if you if you bank with td bank i'm sorry we dragged y'all a lot and apparently y'all love banks and y'all need to let that go we talked about capitalism let that bank love and go that bank don't love you back that bank don't love you back don't do it don't do it and unless that bank unless that bank is letting you ride shotgun and lean that front seat all the way back right then maybe that bank yeah we're talking about

fifth third bank by the way right a fifth third i can't um and then it's a real bank uh which if you guys have been listening this week ste Steve Fernandez was on the show. This is his pin tweet. And I found it so funny. He said, damn, it wouldn't have even occurred to me to say it to Brute. I would have just been screaming. And even the comments underneath this tweet are so funny because people are like, historians are debating whether he said et tu, Brute? Or, ah!

Fam. Yo, I love that people can, like, look at these big historical works of art and completely dismantle them with one sentence. Under 280 characters. And it's so fucking funny to me. Yeah, if I was being stabbed i definitely wouldn't have any cutting remarks that was oh my god also nigga you in the middle of the forum and mad niggas just surrounding you and they ain't talking it's the crabs meme you're just like uh listen so tweet i like uh one is from at haakeem Jefferson. This is about Juneteenth.

It says, Juneteenth exists because slavery existed. People enslaved people. People bought and sold as property. Parents separated from children. Women raped. People brutally murdered. All in service of building empire. As we engage the smart reads about what today means, let us not forget this simple fact.

And I think that's just very powerful and that's what it is. That's what we're talking. It's because of how fucked up everything was that we're saying oh, we are no longer in bondage. Really just simple but yes,

please remember that. That's what we're trying to escape. I think that people mistake emancipation with true liberation and freedom. Yeah, because we're not there yet. We're not there. And people also look. Let us go and gave us nothing. Exactly.

And gave us nothing. They're like, all right, go over there. Go do nothing. You worked for free your whole life, but now your freedom is your payment for all your work. This big ass house you live in, that's off the strength of all the crops I was... No, no, no. No. You're welcome.

I can't read, but now you're good. You're good. Don't worry about it. You don't got to read. No one got to read. In the future, no one reads. Just what I was saying, yeah.

Like on Friday's episode, that's the secondary dehumanization that black people have to go through. Any colonized enslaved person has to go through is not just the first part of enslavement where your body and bland and everything else is just desecrated but then after the pursuit of dignity

and liberation is the next fucking layer of trauma that people have to go through that's what i think people need to realize that's step two after bondage is then having to reclaim your humanity and that's what that process is not finished yeah and i think that people just need to realize that like it wasn't like an unpaid internship like it was like chattel slavery like niggas was animals to people and then then they were three-fifths of a person just to serve white voters and now like electoral college electoral college abolish it burn it down like a target yeah but yeah I think people need to understand

like that's the truth of that sort of situation and we gotta stop being so glib about it and like when we see these slave movies that shit can't just be like oh wow

like stop saying you're aware of slavery you'll be all aware of slavery like fix things that repression needs to happen right and last my last tweet I like

is that from at Armani underscore bliss it says fake laughing with customers is a real skill. And that fucking hit. If anybody has had to fucking. That was my fake laugh for customers.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow. You are crazy. So, what would you like to order? Oh, my God. Yeah, somebody take the Malbec away from her. Oh, my God. Yeah, somebody take the Malbec away from her. Oh, shit.

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